[00:00] <savvas> changed the ssh key wiki: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair?action=diff
[00:03] <savvas> actually, changed it twice, sorry: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair?action=diff&rev2=19&rev1=17
[00:13] <wgrant> mwhudson: Can you help karvec_?
[00:13]  * mwhudson reads back
[00:14] <mwhudson> karvec_: what can you remember about your launchpad account?
[00:17] <wgrant> mwhudson: We've resolved it in a PM, it would seem.
[00:18] <karvec_> Yup, thanks to both of you, I'm logged in.  :)
[00:21] <savvas> wgrant: what did you do? send a "contact this user" email to karvec_ 's username to find out which email it was? :)
[00:21] <wgrant> savvas: No, he happened to have it public.
[00:21] <wgrant> Lots of people don't these days :(
[00:21] <savvas> oh cool!
[00:21] <wgrant> And/or lots of people don't remember their username.
[00:21] <karvec_> :P  *grins*  It's been about a year.
[00:22] <savvas> that's because some proxies tend to catch it, spam-a-phobics :P
[01:37] <xnox> Hello everyone =D vcs-import from svn that I care about has been failing for quite some time now. Where should I report the bug with possible solution to the problem?
[01:38] <lifeless> xnox: file a question on launchpad-bazaar at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[01:38] <lifeless> that will notify the relevant team
[01:42] <xnox> thanks
[01:53] <savvas> I wonder why launchpad vcs-import team doesn't get notified of failing imports
[01:54] <mwhudson> because we haven't fixed that bug yet
[01:54] <savvas> ah, my bad then :)
[01:54] <mwhudson> also, it's not clear that we'd have time to babysit them all :/
[01:54] <savvas> well at least a mailing list where people get notified of it
[01:55] <savvas> vcs-import-fails for 5+ fails in a row :P
[01:55] <mwhudson> right yes
[01:55] <savvas> do you know the bug number?
[01:56] <savvas> thanks for the information by the way
[01:57] <mwhudson> grr, can't find it
[01:59] <mwhudson> savvas: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/237533 is related
[02:07] <savvas> ok thanks
[02:11] <savvas> it has a pretty nice suggestion for a fix, stop importing by itself after a number of failed attempts
[05:14] <bd_> Is it me, or did edge's +builds page's CSS break just now?
[05:14] <bd_> as in, over the past few minutes
[05:15] <bd_> hmm, fixed itself
[05:19] <spm> bd_: I suspect you caught the edge servers doing their nightly (for them...) update. that kicked off about 18 minutes ago, and should be finishing nowish.
[05:20] <bd_> that'd do it, I guess.
[07:17] <lifeless> BjornT: it would be nice if the 'also in' text in the bug home pages were links IMO
[07:48] <jamesh> lifeless: I posted a testresources branch with a prototype for the make/reset/clean API, and found a bug in the dependency resource handling (bug 324202)
[07:52] <lifeless> jamesh: cool
[07:53] <lifeless> jamesh: is there a fix too?
[07:53] <jamesh> lifeless: not yet.  It'd probably look different depending on what you thought of the make/reset/clean change ...
[07:54] <lifeless> jamesh: ok, I'll peek at that when I'm more awake
[07:56] <jamesh> lifeless: I noticed the dependency resources bug when looking at how they'd interact with a reset() method.  Turns out that the problem I was worried about existed on trunk too :(
[07:59] <lifeless> jamesh: thank you
[09:35] <mrevell> morning
[09:36] <wgrant> Morning mrevell.
[10:20] <wgrant> Is it intentional that lazr.config and lazr.delegates aren't actually LGPL3'd?
[10:20] <wgrant> They have it as COPYING, but they're not actually licensed with it...
[10:23] <wgrant> Oh.
[10:23] <wgrant> lazr.config has both 'All rights reserved' and LGPL3, but lazr.delegates just 'All rights reserved'
[10:24] <wgrant> The former doesn't seem to make sense, and the latter is clearly wrong.
[10:32] <kiko-zzz> is there such a thing as LGPLv3?
[10:32] <kiko-zzz> hmm, yes there is
[10:35] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: The intention seems to be to LGPLv3 them both, but it hasn't actually been done properly.
[10:36] <kiko-zzz> I'll follow up with barry and francis
[10:37] <wgrant> Thanks.
[10:57] <savvas> does anyone know how to get a list of bazaar branches of a group using python and launchpadlib? I'm reading the documentation.. and I'm not pretty keen to this
[10:58] <kiko-zzz> savvas, I know thumper was working on this yesterday
[10:58] <kiko-zzz> savvas, rockstar will know as soon as he is up -- in some 4h
[10:58] <wgrant> savvas: Team or project?
[10:58] <kiko-zzz> savvas, have you seen the API docs?
[10:59] <savvas> wgrant: I'll be more specific, the list of vcs-imports bazaar branches
[11:00] <savvas> kiko-zzz: looking at them right now, the only thing I can do is follow the tutorial and use the launchpad api, but don't know how to load/import/use the stuff for bazaar
[11:00] <intellectronica> savvas: i don't think you can get the branches from a person/team using the api yet
[11:01] <savvas> ah
[11:01] <savvas> well that explains it then :P
[11:01] <kiko-zzz> savvas, there's an example API tool available. intellectronica, do you know where bac put it? is it already inside launchpadlib?
[11:01] <intellectronica> savvas: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/264902
[11:03] <intellectronica> kiko-zzz, savvas: not sure. not sure where the example is. there's enough on https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib to get you started, though
[11:03] <savvas> intellectronica: so there's no other way to grab a list of names of branches? something like (fictional
[11:03] <intellectronica> savvas: you can get the list of branches for a project
[11:03] <kiko-zzz> savvas, there will be this week, because I think thumper has a patch for this up already
[11:04] <savvas> (fictional) launchpad.bazaar['team'].display_branches ?
[11:04] <savvas> ok
[11:04] <savvas> thank you all :)
[11:04] <savvas> I'll subscribe myself to that bug
[11:06] <savvas> intellectronica: by the way, how do you get the list of branches for a project?
[11:07] <wgrant> savvas: launchpad.projects['someproject'].branches
[11:07] <savvas> thanks!!
[11:08] <wgrant> savvas: (Where launchpad is retrieved with something like Launchpad.get_token_and_login('some app name', EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT))
[11:08] <savvas> yes, I know that from the tutorial thankfully hehe
[11:08] <savvas> I think I got the hang of it
[11:08] <savvas> launchpad.project_groups['something'] searches of project names?
[11:09] <wgrant> project_groups is for project groups.
[11:09] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[11:10] <savvas> wait, I'll read up the api
[11:10] <wgrant> Huh.
[11:10] <wgrant> Indeed, that's odd.
[11:10] <gourgi> i;m having a problem branching from launchpad, i checked my launchpad ssh key, it is the right own,  http://pastebin.com/d3c7aaf6f
[11:10] <wgrant> It seems to work for all pillars.
[11:11] <wgrant> gourgi: You run bzr launchpad-login and gave bzr your Launchpad username?
[11:11] <gourgi> $ bzr launchpad-login  results gourgi , the right one
[11:12] <wgrant> gourgi: You have no SSH keys on Launchpad.
[11:12] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, and launchpad-login should probably fail if so, right?
[11:12] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: I don't see why it should.
[11:13] <kiko-zzz> because it's nonsensical if it doesn't?
[11:13] <wgrant> But bzr upon attempting to dereference the lp: URL should give the error message that the SSH server gives.
[11:13] <spiv> wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gourgi/+sshkeys shows a key to me?
[11:13] <gourgi> i do have and is the right one
[11:13] <wgrant> spiv: I of course cannot type 'r'
[11:14] <gourgi> is there a problem if the ssh key is passwordless  ?
[11:14] <spiv> No, at least not in Launchpad.
[11:15] <spiv> (That's a matter between you and your SSH client, but I doubt that is an issue)
[11:15] <wgrant> gourgi: What happens if you ssh to bazaar.launchpad.net manually?
[11:15] <gourgi> let me see
[11:15]  * spiv bets on "Permission denied (publickey)."
[11:15] <gourgi> spiv is correct
[11:15] <wgrant> spiv: Won't it sometimes give more descriptive errors?
[11:15] <spiv> gourgi: if ssh directly fails, try "ssh -v bazaar.launchpad.net" and see which key files it's trying to read.
[11:16] <spiv> wgrant: ssh -v (or -vvv if you're a glutton for noise) will.
[11:16] <savvas> spiv: it shows their email
[11:16] <savvas> or is that possible?
[11:16] <spiv> savvas: it shows their SSH key comment text, you mean?
[11:16] <savvas> look at the end of the string: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gourgi/+sshkeys
[11:17] <spiv> Right.  There's a bug open about munging emails in that text.
[11:17] <gourgi> spiv actually at the end of the string is just my comment there,
[11:17] <spiv> It's basically the same sort of thing as if someone puts their email address in their description; it's another free-form field that people, and people sometimes do put emails there.
[11:17]  * gourgi looking ssh -v now
[11:19] <spiv> gourgi: right, that's the comment field of the SSH key, as I said.
[11:20]  * spiv -> afk
[11:22] <savvas> wgrant: do you know what's wrong here: [group.name for group in launchpad.project_groups.search("mysql")]
[11:23] <savvas> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[11:23] <savvas> TypeError: __call__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
[11:23] <gourgi> spiv, thanks for the 'ssh -v', i found the problem
[11:23] <savvas> gourgi: what was it?
[11:24] <wgrant> savvas: Launchpad API named operations only take kwargs.
[11:24] <gourgi> ssh was looking for id_dsa.pub, while my key's name was key.pub
[11:24] <gourgi> i think my ~/.ssh/config needs some more love :)
[11:25] <wgrant> savvas: Do you want to get a list of projects in the mysql project group?
[11:26] <savvas> wgrant: I was trying something I dug up from a tutorial for the launchpad api: http://news.launchpad.net/general/this-week-in-launchpads-web-api-2
[11:26] <wgrant> savvas: .search(text="mysql")
[11:27] <savvas> darn, and I was wondering what was that text it was talking about in the launchpadlib api :P
[11:27] <savvas> ok got it
[12:23] <EagleScreen> hello, i am trying to upload a package to my PPA, i am following now this guide: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[12:24] <EagleScreen> this is my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~eaglescreen/+archive/ppa
[12:25] <EagleScreen> this is my .deput.cf http://pastebin.ca/1325267
[12:25] <EagleScreen> I obtain this output:
[12:25] <EagleScreen> $ dput my-ppa usb-creator_0.1.11ubuntu1~ppa1_source.changes
[12:25] <EagleScreen> No host my-ppa found in config
[12:26] <stdin> ".deput.cf" ?
[12:26] <stdin> it should be .dput.cf
[12:27] <EagleScreen> oh! i will check it
[12:29] <EagleScreen> yes, it was wrong, sorry
[12:30] <stdin> everyone needs another pair of eyes now and then :)
[14:41] <yml> hello,
[14:42] <yml> is there a way in launchpad to view the file store in a bzr branch ?
[14:42] <yml> Without all the decoration added by loggerhead
[14:43] <yml> I would like to use http://rst2a.com to render rst file.
[14:46] <intellectronica> yml: you have a download link for every file in loggerhead
[14:48] <yml> intellectronica: yes I have seen it but this is not exactly what I am looking for.
[14:49] <yml> I would like to view the raw file online. Then I could use the bookmaklet to render it.
[14:49] <yml> http://rst2a.com/news/8/handy-bookmarklet/
[14:50] <intellectronica> ah, and you can't because of the mime type?
[14:51] <intellectronica> beuno, rockstar: b.t.w is there anything that can be done about this? serve text files with a mime type which will prompt browsers to view them?
[14:53] <yml> yes you are right
[14:54] <yml> I mean automatic conversion rst2html is also fine  :-)
[14:55] <intellectronica> yml: so, basically, you want a wiki :P
[14:57] <yml> Edit in place over the web is not something I like but being able to view the rst file in a formated hmtl is nice
[15:00] <intellectronica> yml: file a bug, i think it's a nice idea
[15:00] <intellectronica> yml: also, loggerhead is free software. patches are welcome ;)
[15:01] <beuno> intellectronica, well, it's kinda complicated to support viewing files, downloading files AND annotating files
[15:01] <beuno> annotating is what shows you the content of the file
[15:02] <yml> beuno: removing the mimetype would do the trick to view it online, isn't it ?
[15:02] <intellectronica> beuno: yes, but most version-controlled files are likely to be text files, so if you serve them with a text mimetype, users can both view them in a browser and save them
[15:03] <beuno> intellectronica, my guess is that it will break with images, won't it?
[15:03] <intellectronica> beuno: or, if you consider the automatic save prompt a feature, maybe we could have a [view as plain text] link
[15:03] <beuno> yml, no, removing the mime-type will make the browser thing it's always binary
[15:03] <intellectronica> beuno: with images you'll use the appriproate mime type for the image
[15:04] <beuno> intellectronica, but then we have to add mime-type detection in LH
[15:04] <intellectronica> beuno: from mimetypes import guess_type
[15:05] <beuno> intellectronica, nothing is that easy in LH
[15:05] <beuno> but
[15:05] <beuno> either way
[15:05] <beuno> making the download link not download it, will break quite a vew use cases
[15:05] <beuno> I guess we can add a "view plain text" within the annotated view
[15:05] <intellectronica> yeah, now that i think about it, it is a useful feature, but "view plain text" would be useful, i think
[15:06] <intellectronica> or even just "view", which can work with any mime type the browser supports
[15:13] <yml> That would be excellent
[15:13] <beuno> yml, file a bug  :)
[15:15] <yml> beuno: where should I do it ?
[15:16] <beuno> yml, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead
[15:18] <intellectronica> beuno: huh, so, it appears that download already uses mimetypes.guess_type - it simply defaults to application/octet-stream when it doesn't detect anything
[15:18] <intellectronica> so if that's a feature, it's an accidental one :)
[15:19] <beuno> intellectronica, it's all mwhudson's doings
[15:19] <intellectronica> ah, no, i think what makes it prompt for download is the Content-Disposition
[15:19] <beuno> but we do force downlods
[15:24] <yml> for your information : https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/324350
[15:28] <intellectronica> beuno, yml: lp:~intellectronica/loggerhead/view-file
[15:30] <intellectronica> oh, how strange. if a revision adds a new file, you don't see it in the diff you get from loggerhead
[15:31] <rockstar> intellectronica, really?
[15:31] <intellectronica> rockstar: yeah, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/loggerhead/view-file/revision/264
[16:28] <beuno> intellectronica, "known" bug  :/
[16:29] <AlexC_> morning
[16:29] <AlexC_> my project is set to not use blueprints, however people can still register blueprints. Is this expected?
[16:33] <intellectronica> AlexC_: sounds like a bug to me. which project?
[16:33] <AlexC_> intellectronica, tangocms
[16:35] <AlexC_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/210535 - seems to be the issue
[16:35] <intellectronica> AlexC_: yup
[16:36] <Alinux> ping danilos
[16:36] <AlexC_> is it possible to remove all blueprints from our project to? We no longer use them, and they are very dated. I'd rather them not be there
[16:36] <danilos> Alinux: hi Vladimer
[16:37] <Alinux> danilos, Salut Danilo!
[16:38] <intellectronica> AlexC_: we can arrange that. would you please file a question? an admin will look into that asap
[16:39] <AlexC_> intellectronica, sure. I did actually before, though I also asked about Bugs however I was told not possible (for blueprints to). I shall try again, though
[16:40] <intellectronica> AlexC_: oh, maybe i was missing something then. do you have a link to that question?
[16:40] <AlexC_> intellectronica, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/56563 - it's more a general purge of the project, instead of just blueprints though
[16:47] <AlexC_> intellectronica, should I still file the other question?
[16:47] <intellectronica> AlexC_: what's the other question?
[16:47] <AlexC_> intellectronica, about just removing blueprints
[16:48] <AlexC_> other wise I am going to have to go through all 100+ blueprints manually and set the status ... not fujn
[16:48] <AlexC_> s/fujn/fun
[16:49] <intellectronica> AlexC_: i don't think that's necessary. we just have to see that your original question gets answered. i don't promise any particular result but i promise to get on the case
[16:49] <intellectronica> AlexC_: if the answer is that the data can't be deleted, we can still help you set those blueprints to OBSOLETE without you risking RSI
[16:50] <AlexC_> intellectronica, much appreciated. I'd just like it cleaned up as much as possible, since we've not used LP for quite some time and the data on there is old
[16:50] <AlexC_> intellectronica, excellent =)
[16:52] <AlexC_> btw, how would I go about getting our own Redmine installation as a registered bug tracker with LP? Am I right in thinking, if this is done - our bugs would be synced over to LP?
[16:54] <intellectronica> AlexC_: b.t.w why did you mark that question solved?
[16:54] <intellectronica> AlexC_: what's redmine? is it another bug tracker?
[16:54] <AlexC_> intellectronica, I felt it was getting no where, and no one replied for a long time. Thought I'd just say it was solved and do as much cleaning as I could my self
[16:55] <AlexC_> intellectronica, yes, for example http://dev.tangocms.org
[16:55] <AlexC_> you could call it a Trac clone really, but in Ruby
[16:55] <intellectronica> AlexC_: i'm afraid we don't support that bug tracker yet
[16:56] <AlexC_> ok, no worries
[16:56] <intellectronica> we support trac and bugzilla, and to a lesser extent also roundup, SF and savannah
[16:56] <intellectronica> AlexC_: it would be great if you could file a bug about supporting Redmine
[16:56] <AlexC_> intellectronica, what do I file it against?
[16:58] <intellectronica> AlexC_: malone
[16:58] <intellectronica> AlexC_: b.t.w why did you decide to move away from LP (if i may)?
[16:59] <AlexC_> intellectronica, ever since the UI re-design, it's just gone downhill and in a direction I'm not a fan of personally. The lack of control is a big one for me, little things such as being able to delete blueprints, remove code branches without having to get someone to hold my hand and do it for me
[17:00] <AlexC_> I just feel I have no control over my project if it is in Launchpad
[17:00] <AlexC_> which is a shame, since at the start (back in 07 when I registered the project) it was great
[17:01] <intellectronica> AlexC_: did you consider using the API to automate some tasks? (granted, there's no API for blueprints yet)
[17:01] <AlexC_> intellectronica, wasn't aware there was one
[17:03] <intellectronica> AlexC_: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/
[17:04] <AlexC_> seems like an interesting API, though way too much hassle for us to move back now - would just cause total confusion
[17:10] <geser> cprov: Hi, can you re-publish a (arch:all) deb eaten by LP due to many promotions/demotions? It's libtest-perl-critic-perl. This already happened in intrepid, so jaunty got also only the source. Re-publishing in jauty would be enough for now.
[17:10] <MattCampbell> Is it acceptable for someone other than a project's owner to register a project on Launchpad and set up a VCS import?
[17:11] <cprov> geser: sure, can you file a question with all the information, please ?
[17:11] <Ursinha> MattCampbell, in which sense?
[17:12] <intellectronica> AlexC_: no problem re: deleting your blueprints. will be done later today
[17:12] <AlexC_> intellectronica, thank you very much, appreciate it. By delete do you mean fully delete, or just obsolete?
[17:13] <MattCampbell> I want to make some changes to a program and publish those changes, to contribute them back, but I'm not a committer on that project.
[17:14] <intellectronica> AlexC_: full delete, unless you prefer otherwise
[17:14] <AlexC_> intellectronica, full would be perfect =) Are you able to do the same for Bugs as well?
[17:14] <MattCampbell> This project isn't yet registered on Launchpad, so I was thinking I could register it, make it clear that it's not my project, then start registering branches for my changes.
[17:15] <MattCampbell> then post to the project's mailing list or bug tracker
[17:15] <intellectronica> AlexC_: sure
[17:15] <AlexC_> intellectronica, you're a star, thank you
[17:15] <MattCampbell> but this project uses SVN for version control
[17:16] <Ursinha> MattCampbell, well, I guess that if the program is opensource and it's license has no restrictions about it, and you keep the credits, than no problem
[17:17] <intellectronica> MattCampbell: you can register the project, get the sources imported from SVN and then use bzr to branch from them
[17:17] <Ursinha> MattCampbell, but I think the best would be you talking to the owner about adding your contributions to the main project
[17:17] <Ursinha> :)
[17:18] <Ursinha> intellectronica, I think that MattCampbell's point is less practical :)
[17:18] <Ursinha> or maybe I'm just wrong :)
[17:18] <intellectronica> Ursinha: you mean that it's impractical? ;)
[17:18] <Ursinha> intellectronica, :)
[17:19] <Ursinha> you got the idea :P
[17:25] <geser> cprov: sure, filed as question #59622
[18:00] <sproaty> should I make a release series for each new version of my app I make?
[18:00] <sproaty> i.e. add a new feature, new release?
[18:01] <Ursinha> sproaty, I think it's more a matter of taste
[18:02] <sproaty> I just want to do it to add download links, I'm uploading the source to LP via bzr at the moment, then uploading a .tar.gz to google code
[18:02] <sproaty> seems a bit silly if I could do it all through LP
[18:11] <Ursinha> sproaty, you can take a look at https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[18:11] <Ursinha> sproaty, I believe it'd be pretty helpful
[18:12] <sproaty> Ursinha: I'm reading that now actually :)
[18:12] <Ursinha> sproaty, right :)
[18:12] <sproaty> seems a bit overkill for a 1man project though :/
[18:20] <kfogel> So I'm a member of the bkrpr team in Launchpad, and when I go to the project's Downloads page:
[18:20] <Ursinha> sproaty, that's why I told you it's more a matter of taste :) there are people who prefer to keep the project organized in that way even with only a few people involved
[18:20] <kfogel> https://edge.launchpad.net/bkrpr/+download
[18:20] <kfogel> It says "No download files exist for this project."
[18:20] <kfogel> But, even though I'm an admin for the project, there is nothing saying how one would make a Download appear.
[18:20] <kfogel> In other words, how does one upload?
[18:21] <kfogel> Searching in Answers, and in LP general search, does not turn up an obvious answer...
[18:23] <Ursinha> kfogel, guess here is the answer: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[18:23] <Ursinha> but it's not easy to find, I share your pain
[18:24] <kfogel> Ursinha: thank you.  Yes, I never would have found that (s/never/eventually, after trying many places/)
[18:26] <kfogel> Ursinha: one thing that LP Downloads pages don't make clear is that this isn't a place for arbitrary file uploads.  For example, the bkrpr project wants to upload some test image data, so people can try out bkrpr without going through the trouble of scanning their own images.  But that's not one of the approved kinds of downloads; unfortunately, only the help page above lists the approved kinds of downloads, the Downloads page itself does not.
[18:26] <Ursinha> kfogel, that's a good point
[18:26] <Ursinha> I'll talk to mrevell about it
[18:27] <Ursinha> kfogel, would you mind filing a bug about it, please?
[18:27] <kfogel> Ursinha: should I file a bug?
[18:27] <kfogel> heh
[18:27] <Ursinha> :)
[18:27] <kfogel> Ursinha: we're reading each other's minds.
[18:27] <kfogel> Will do.
[18:27] <Ursinha> thanks kfogel
[18:29] <kfogel> Ursinha: what's the right project to file against?  launchpad-foundations?
[18:31] <Ursinha> kfogel, guess so
[18:31] <Ursinha> if not, I can change that later :)
[18:40] <matsubara> kfogel: launchpad-registry
[18:41] <kfogel> matsubara: ah!  Okay.
[18:42]  * kfogel tries manually changing the URL while in the middle of typing up the bug report...
[18:48] <kfogel> matsubara, Ursinha: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/324429
[18:48] <Ursinha> thanks kfogel
[18:48] <kfogel> Ursinha: would you like me to mail mrevell, CC'ing you?
[18:49] <Ursinha> kfogel, subscribing mrevell to that bug and commenting on it would be enough
[18:50] <kfogel> Ursinha: hmm, "matthew.revell" or "canonical-matthewrevell"... the latter, I think?
[18:51] <Ursinha> kfogel, I always subscribe him using matthew.revell
[18:51] <kfogel> ok
[19:31] <zu22> how the heck do i create a blueprint in launchpad?
[19:31] <zu22> i just clicked every fucking option in the project i am in
[19:31] <zu22> and i cannot find anything!
[19:31] <zu22> when i click "blueprints" it just has a damn link on the general blueprints documentation
[19:31] <zu22> DAMMIT
[19:32] <zu22> anyone?????????
[19:32] <zu22> how do i create a BLUEPRINT???????
[19:33] <zu22> ??????????????????
[19:34] <Ursinha> calm down zu22
[19:34] <Ursinha> go to blueprints on your project and "Register a blueprint"
[19:35] <zu22> sorry this is just gviing me a headache
[19:35] <Ursinha> zu22, did you find it?
[19:35] <Ursinha> a blue button
[19:36] <Ursinha> in your right
[19:36] <zu22> i am looking, i clicked "Blueprints"
[19:36] <zu22> there is no "Register a blueprint"
[19:36] <zu22> all it says:
[19:36] <zu22>     * Assignee
[19:36] <zu22>     * Drafter
[19:36] <zu22>     * Approver
[19:36] <zu22>     * Subscriber
[19:36] <zu22>     * Registrant
[19:36] <zu22>     * Feedback requests
[19:36] <zu22>     * Workload
[19:36] <AlexC_> zu22, I'd highly suggest being more polite in future, that attitude will get you less help. And use a pastebin.
[19:36] <zu22>     * Mentoring offered
[19:36] <zu22> AlexC_: sorry but i was very frustrated with this i just wasted 20 minutes of my life on it
[19:37] <Ursinha> zu22, which is the project's name?
[19:37] <zu22> here is where i am: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~netrek-server-team
[19:37] <zu22> Netrek Server Project
[19:37] <Ursinha> zu22, this is a team, not a project
[19:37] <zu22> i see people did blueprints in there
[19:37] <zu22> so i know it is possible
[19:37] <zu22> ursinha: what?
[19:37] <Ursinha> let me see it for you
[19:37] <AlexC_> zu22, people/groups can't have blueprints
[19:37] <zu22> team/project i thought is same thing
[19:37] <zu22> AlexC_: oh
[19:38] <Ursinha> zu22, you are able to register blueprints for projects
[19:38] <zu22> Ursinha: yes i want to do that
[19:38] <Ursinha> so the project is https://edge.launchpad.net/netrek-server, right?
[19:39] <zu22> yes
[19:39] <Ursinha> so go there and click on blueprints, please
[19:39] <zu22> Ursinha: yay! THANK YOU
[19:40] <zu22> Ursinha: btw, what is this "karma points" i see? i only have 27 points, how may i earn more points?
[19:40] <zu22> does 27 mean u are a noob?
[19:40] <zu22> lol
[19:40] <Ursinha> zu22, https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma
[19:40] <Ursinha> zu22, you earn karma points for your activity on launchpad
[19:41] <Ursinha> zu22, so if you recently registered, you'll have few points
[19:42] <Ursinha> zu22, a team can work on a blueprint, but it's always attached to a project
[19:43] <Ursinha> that's why you can see blueprints related to that team
[19:44] <zu22> Ursinha: oh i see, it is asking me who to asisgn this blueprint to, i don't know who will wish to work on it, so i can just leave this blank?
[19:44] <Ursinha> zu22, sure
[19:45] <zu22> ok thanks :)
[19:48] <zu22> sorry guys i was so frustrated earlier
[19:49] <Ursinha> zu22, okay, next time just ping the Help contact mentioned on topic
[19:49] <Ursinha> in this case, me
[19:49] <Ursinha> :)
[19:49] <beuno> or always Ursinha, she's the nicest
[19:49] <Ursinha> beuno, :P
[19:50] <beuno> :)
[19:50] <Ursinha> beuno is the lp wizard
[19:50] <Ursinha> not me
[19:50] <Ursinha> I'm just an apprentice
[19:50] <beuno> right, I make you click "next" a million times!
[19:51] <AlexC_> is anyone here able to removes some code branches for a project of mine? They are very out of date (last import 20 weeks ago) and not needed
[19:51] <Ursinha> AlexC_, you can do that yourself
[19:51] <Ursinha> beuno, lol
[19:52] <AlexC_> Ursinha, oh really? I can't see to find anything in LP 'Code' part to remove them
[19:52] <Ursinha> AlexC_, there's a red button on the right side of the branch title, after clicking on it
[19:52] <beuno> Ursinha, actually, he can't if they're imports
[19:52] <beuno> because it's owned by ~vcs-imports
[19:53] <Ursinha> beuno, oh, really?
[19:53] <Ursinha> :/
[19:53] <AlexC_> ah, yeah they are vcs-imports (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/tangocms)
[19:53] <AlexC_> tbh, I have no idea how they got there in the first place. I don't recall adding them =3
[19:54] <beuno> AlexC_, file a question and someone will remove them  :)
[19:54] <AlexC_> ok, will do. Thanks both
[19:56] <Ursinha> np AlexC_ :)
[19:56] <AlexC_> =)
[19:58] <zu22> i wish to have launchpad adopt darcs
[19:58] <zu22> darcs is my favorite vcs
[19:58] <zu22> who do i email about this?
[19:59] <zu22> i hate svn/cvs
[19:59] <zu22> darcs is so much better in all respects
[19:59] <zu22> www.darcs.net
[19:59] <zu22> i wish to ask launchpad to please add darcs support
[19:59] <zu22> can you guys let them know?
[19:59] <zu22> everyone on my projects already has darcs repos
[20:00] <zu22> so we'd appreciate it
[20:00] <thumper> morning
[20:00] <zu22> morning thumper
[20:00] <thumper> zu22: have you tried bzr?
[20:00] <thumper> zu22: there is a bug about darcs support, but it isn't high priority
[20:01] <zu22> thumper: no never tried bzr
[20:01] <thumper> zu22: give it a whirl :)
[20:01] <zu22> thumper: ok :)
[20:02] <zu22> i heard linux kernel developers use bzr or is it git?
[20:02] <oojah> zu22: It's git.
[20:03] <zu22> ah
[20:04] <oojah> But that doesn't mean that it'd be the best for you of course.
[20:06] <thumper> :)
[20:08] <wgrant> Ursinha: It's a bin icon now, actually. Not a red obscure one.
[20:09]  * Ursinha looks
[20:09] <wgrant> Fixed in 2.2.1
[20:09] <kiko-afk> ken
[20:10] <Ursinha> it's true!
[20:10] <Ursinha> much better, must say
[20:10] <wgrant> It is.
[20:10] <wgrant> Except that it's all inconsistent now.
[20:10] <wgrant> Not only does the edit icon on that page look out of place, all of the other delete links use the red one.
[20:10] <zu22> i hope launchpad becomes more popular than sourceforge haha
[20:12] <zu22> sf is *so slow*
[20:12] <zu22> and they have too much downtime
[20:12] <zu22> i hope launchpad keeps many FAST REDUNDANT SERVERS
[20:12] <kiko-afk> wgrant, in this case it's inconsistently good. imagine if it was all bad:)
[20:12] <zu22> with quad core cpus and much ram!!
[20:12] <zu22> on gigabit internet backbones
[20:12] <wgrant> kiko-afk: True, true.
[20:13] <wgrant> I think that is the first time I've ever seen somebody complain about how slow another project hosting site is in here.
[20:14] <thumper> wgrant: we'll fix the other delete links to be bins too :)
[20:15] <zu22> wgrant: hehe
[20:15] <mwhudson> wgrant: have you got examples of other red delete icons?
[20:15]  * mwhudson fixed merge proposals just before 2.2.1 went out
[20:15] <thumper> mwhudson: code reviews :)
[20:15] <thumper> ah that's right
[20:15] <thumper> :)
[20:15] <thumper> hey, I even reviewed and QAed that
[20:15] <mwhudson> i mean, if _i_ can't figure out where the delete button is for a code page...
[20:16] <wgrant> mwhudson: I can't remember, but those more privileged can grep!
[20:16] <wgrant> Code reviews was one example that I noticed, right.
[20:16] <mwhudson> that's a point
[21:48] <mwhudson> wgrant: fwiw, i've just sent off a branch that changes the last inappropriate use of the red delete icon, let me know if you find any more hiding somewhere :)
[22:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: Great! Is there an appropriate use of it?
[22:16] <mwhudson> wgrant: beuno's thought was that it's appropriate for unlinking as opposed to deleting
[22:16] <mwhudson> (certainly the trashcan wouldn't really be appropriate there)
[22:20] <wgrant> mwhudson: True.
[22:40] <knitt1> hello
[22:40] <mwhudson> hi
[22:40] <knitt1> a friend of mine (on a windows machine) has a project on launchpad
[22:40] <knitt1> he now wants to create a feature-branch on launchpad
[22:40] <knitt1> how can he do this?
[22:41] <knitt1> i'm not really good with bzr+lp :D
[22:42] <mwhudson> knitt1: just push to lp:~<userid>/<project>/<branch-name>
[22:42] <knitt1> mwhudson: it should be a project branch
[22:42] <knitt1> not a user branch
[22:42] <mwhudson> um
[22:42] <knitt1> is it lp:~project/branchname?
[22:42] <mwhudson> branches always have an owner
[22:42] <mwhudson> the owner can be a team though
[22:43] <knitt1> ok
[22:57] <popey> barry: http://news.launchpad.net/podcast/launchpoad-16-talking-about-launchpad-221  "launchpoad"
[22:58] <barry> popey: i thought you were going to say how much you loved the theme music :)
[22:58] <popey> I will when I've heard it :)