[01:48] <DanaG> Ooh: http://level-studios.com/assets/images/large/hp27.jpg
[01:48] <DanaG> That's kind of cool, except for the logo...
[01:48] <DanaG> ... and except for the fact that I can't find a bigger version... anywhere.  At all.
[01:57] <_MMA_> DanaG: Lemmie dig around. I know a couple of people. Maybe I can get a bigger one.
[01:59] <DanaG> That's from Level Studios, with HP.
[01:59] <DanaG> Used to be "Web Associates".
[01:59] <DanaG> I ran into them at the job fair at Cal Poly the other day.
[01:59] <DanaG> http://level-studios.com/work/?client=1
[02:00] <DanaG> There are a couple of other nice images there, too.
[02:00] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have you seen the "GlassyBleu" theme on the HP Mini "MIE" laptop?
[02:00] <DanaG> It's publicly available on the canonical partner repo, but not publicized anywhere.
[02:01] <DanaG> It's the first dark theme I've ever seen that isn't the slightest bit gloomy for me.  I still prefer my bright themes, though.
[02:01] <DanaG> Odd that they'd produce that artwork, but never use it anywhere.
[02:03] <DanaG> This also reminds me of Ubuntu:  http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii78/ollirac123/HP/HPEspresso.jpg
[02:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm also curious what HP's terms of use / license are for that netbook theme of theirs.
[02:08] <DanaG> And the wallpaper.
[02:13]  * _MMA_ clicks
[02:13] <DanaG> I don't have a screenshot of the netbook theme, though.
[02:15] <DanaG> http://h30434.www3.hp.com/psg/board/message?board.id=OS&thread.id=3598
[02:15] <DanaG> There's the repo; you can apt-get source the theme.
[02:17] <DanaG> I think it's glassy-bleu-theme
[02:17] <savvas> why the obsession around HP?:p
[02:18] <DanaG> They do do some cool stuff.
[02:18] <DanaG> And I just thought that was a cool wallpaper, too.
[02:20] <savvas> ah they paid them to make wallpapers for them?
[02:20] <savvas> they look wonderful :)
[02:25] <DanaG> I'm an engineer, not a graphic artist, though.
[02:28] <DanaG> Heh, a bit of not-so-good design: the home page is not an item in the side list.  It's only reachable through the logo.
[02:56] <Yasumoto> kwwii: Do you happen to have the original source for the Global Bug Jam logo?
[03:17] <DanaG> "Bug Jam" makes me think of food, for some reason.
[03:22] <savvas> Yasumoto: if you don't get a reply, try merge something out of: http://www.clker.com/search/globe/1 http://www.clker.com/clipart-3331.html http://www.clker.com/clipart-cancel.html :)
[03:27] <Yasumoto> savvas: awesome, thanks a bunch :)
[03:27] <Yasumoto> DanaG: gross?
[03:27] <Yasumoto> :)
[03:28] <DanaG> gross what?
[03:28] <DanaG> oh
[03:28] <DanaG> bug jam.
[03:28] <Yasumoto> haha, yeah
[03:32] <savvas> np :)
[03:34] <savvas> Yasumoto: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2009-February/001270.html - we'll probably get a reply by tomorrow
[03:38] <Yasumoto> savvas: ah, good call. I probably should've done that in the first place
[03:39] <Yasumoto> I think Flannel spoke to dholbach, and he mentioned kwwii might have it
[03:39] <savvas> well at least this way you know someone will read it :P
[03:40] <Yasumoto> exactly
[03:40] <savvas> anyways, I'm going to catch some 2-3 hours of sleep :)
[03:40] <savvas> cheers
[03:40] <Yasumoto> have fun, talk to you later
[09:34] <kwwii> Yasumoto: yeah, probably, somewhere
[12:54] <thorwil> kwwii: hi. are you aware of the upcoming gtk# theming hackfest?
[13:01] <thorwil> ah, canonical is a sponsor, so nm
[13:11] <dilomo> thorwil: hi
[13:12] <thorwil> hello dilomo
[13:12] <dilomo> what hack fest are you talking about?
[13:12] <thorwil> dilomo: http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/NewThemeApi/Hackfest
[13:13] <dilomo> interesting read
[13:13] <dilomo> thorwil: I want to ask you about the following image:
[13:14] <dilomo> http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotthewidgetfactff5.png
[13:14] <dilomo> how do you find the treeview (ignore the green for now)
[13:15] <thorwil> dilomo: the frame around the whole thing works against your scrollbars
[13:15] <dilomo> the is still wip
[13:15] <dilomo> now I'm working on the selected image and the items
[13:15] <dilomo> the scrollbars are still to be changed
[13:17] <thorwil> dilomo: the small gap on the left of the selected-item-background ... it should either be larger to look more wanted, or (better, i think) not exist at all
[13:18] <dilomo> larger you say? now it's 2px maybe 3 will be ok
[13:18] <thorwil> it's a detail that adds nothing and could be eliminated
[13:19] <thorwil> dilomo: be careful about the selection color, it goes into a different direction that the orange used elsewhere
[13:20] <dilomo> yes this is the problem I'm trying to solve now
[13:20] <dilomo> I want this to show that the bg is darker (e.g sorted) but this changes color
[13:20] <dilomo> any ideas how I can chnage this?
[13:21] <thorwil> i don't quite understand
[13:21] <thorwil> you want the selection color to be different on the active column?
[13:22] <dilomo> it is different
[13:22] <dilomo> and is different depending on even/odd rows too
[13:23] <dilomo> but as i add gray behind the orange - the result is starting to be very "durty" color and I don't
[13:23] <dilomo> know how to make the sorted colum prelight color different (but not brighter) then the rest of the row
[13:25] <thorwil> instead of mixing with gray, you could change the tone. maybe to yellow
[13:26] <dilomo> yes that is possible. let me try
[13:30] <dilomo> http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4685/screenshotthewidgetfactuc4.png
[13:30] <dilomo> hod does this look?
[13:31] <thorwil> dilomo: ok. maybe make it a tad stronger. and then do something about the progressbar color :)
[13:32] <dilomo> why progressbar?
[13:33] <thorwil> dilomo: the color(s) for the item selection is more difficult, so it makes sense to adjust the progressbar color afterwards
[13:33] <dilomo> sorted columns will be rare compaerd to cust columns
[13:34] <dilomo> but all colors arein the same gammut of orange (buttons, combos, sliders, check ... treeviews)
[13:35] <dilomo> but now after I introduce this new treeview I don't have to change all that, right?
[13:35] <thorwil> dilomo: it's just that the orange on the prog-bars looks overly intense
[13:37] <dilomo> yes it is  because people should see progressbars that appear and usually they don't encounter too often
[13:38] <dilomo> in New Wave 0.6.x it was lighte and it just felt washed out
[13:39] <dilomo> but I sill may change it .
[13:39] <dilomo> I will make some tests before I d publish any of the seen here (probably a month)
[13:46] <dilomo> thorwil: do you have any svg runnug jackalopes
[13:46] <thorwil> dilomo: nope
[13:46] <dilomo> I was thinking of a wallpaper idea: runnung rabbit whit
[13:47] <dilomo> nicely done forest (motion blurred) in bg
[13:47] <dilomo> that will clearly illustrate jaunty -fastly moving
[13:47] <dilomo> because all wallpapers we have are with still jackalopes
[13:49] <thorwil> i didn't feel like drawing the tail end of a rabbit ;)
[13:51] <dilomo> :) not exactly what I meant but
[13:51] <dilomo> I can't describe it with words
[13:52] <thorwil> dilomo: if you can't paint it, it won't happen. for me, the topic jaunty wallpapers with a jackalope is closed :)
[13:53] <dilomo> I can paint it but with brush and water not Inkscape
[13:53] <dilomo> so we will never see this :)
[13:54] <thorwil> dilomo: nobody said a wallpaper has to be made with inkscape
[13:54] <thorwil> nothing speaks against using a scan
[13:54] <dilomo> but scans are bad and can't accuire the corect colors
[13:55] <dilomo> besides I don't have scanner :)
[15:08] <dilomo> I give up for today
[15:09] <dilomo> these treeviews are awful
[16:27] <luisbg> kwwii, happy b-day old fart
[16:27] <luisbg> :)
[16:42] <knome> *fart*
[17:01] <thorwil> kwwii: happy birthday ken!
[17:02] <Sergio_> Hello! Will Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) have completely new theme?
[17:03] <_MMA_> No
[17:20] <DBO> Sergio_, no, they never do that... why?  I don't know... we should riot because they need to
[17:21] <_MMA_> hahahaha. Ahh to be blissfully ignorant. ;)
[17:22] <DBO> _MMA_, i am being sarcastic
[17:24] <_MMA_> DBO: It didn't come through. You have to watch it especially when there are people not used to the flow of a channel. New folks. Or just people that don't know each others style.
[17:24] <DBO> i thought the suggestion of the riot would be enough
[17:26] <DBO> _MMA_, seriously though, why does the ubuntu theme seem pretty stagnant these days
[17:27] <DBO> i mean I know we can always get themes of gnome-look and things like that
[17:28] <_MMA_> DBO: Though I see you in here from time to time, you're not that active. So I don't know. :) Now, think about someone new, like Sergio. Who I will also bet that his 1st language isn't English.
[17:28] <_MMA_> DBO: The theme situation is what it is. I could list my thoughts as to why but it really does no good in the end.
[17:30] <DBO> how are you related to it anyhow?
[17:30] <_MMA_> And really, I don't know why it's such a big deal. MS and Apple don't radically change things in the UI every 6 months why should *any* linux distro? Being default isn't the end-all.
[17:30] <_MMA_> DBO: I develop Ubuntu Studio.
[17:31] <_MMA_> So I know the other *buntu guys pretty well.
[17:31] <_MMA_> Continuing on my previous thought: GNOME-Look and the like are great IMO.
[17:32] <luisbg> _MMA_, apple hasn't changed Aqua in 3 or 4 years
[17:32] <luisbg> maybe 5
[17:32] <_MMA_> We can get themes from there.
[17:32] <_MMA_> luisbg: Minor tweaks but yeah. Point is the same.
[17:32] <luisbg> _MMA_, more compositing than theme, yeah :)
[17:53] <Sergio_> I heard many times before 8.10 release that default theme will be completely change. And don't remember ubuntu competitors: Mandriva, Fedora e.t.c. They constantly improve visual appearance.
[17:55] <_MMA_> Sergio_: They make subtle incremental changes like Ubuntu has.
[17:56] <_MMA_> If you take the # of Ubuntu releases and put them together it's obviously the evolution. Though, admittedly more subtle last few releases. But the same can be said for the above mentioned distros.
[18:02] <_MMA_> The future look and feel is completely out any kind of community hands. It's Canonicals (Marks) show. We can do things on the side but Ubuntu is Canonicals product and they are taking steps to craft the look and feel they want to project. We might see pieces of it in Jaunty, but more likely +1.
[18:27] <Sergio_> OK. Thanks for answers.
[21:20] <nhaines> kwwii: happy birthday!  :D
[23:12] <kwwii> nhaines: thanks :-)
[23:14] <kwwii> nhaines: how did you know it was my birthday?
[23:14] <kwwii> well, now I guess it is over :p
[23:14] <kwwii> now I am just an old(er) person
[23:14] <_MMA_> kwwii: We have spies everywhere.
[23:14] <kwwii> :p
[23:15]  * _MMA_ hands kwwii a motorized cart. Asks about recent hip replacement.
[23:18] <_MMA_> (slips him some cialis on the sly)
[23:24] <kwwii> dude, my mom and my brother have both had two hip replacements
[23:25] <kwwii> my dad has had 3 knees
[23:25] <kwwii> my step-dad had both hops done as well as his spine fused
[23:27] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ouch. Future's kinda grim. :P
[23:27] <kwwii> no worries, I doubt I will ever get that old
[23:28]  * _MMA_ only really has high cholesterol to look forward to. Will die in like my 90's. Old and mean.
[23:28] <kwwii> haha, I was trying to work on a background based on some marketing material
[23:28] <kwwii> so I sent an email to the company and asked for the files
[23:29] <kwwii> and they sent me one composited psd file (one layer, etc)
[23:29] <kwwii> they might have well sent a jpg
[23:29] <kwwii> so I asked again for the files
[23:29] <kwwii> and they said they were having trouble finding them, they might have lost them
[23:30] <_MMA_> Oh. My. God.
[23:30] <kwwii> so then julain sends an email asking them for the files
[23:30] <_MMA_> *sigh*
[23:30] <kwwii> and they send him, per post, a cd
[23:30] <_MMA_> kwwii: So he see's the shit you've had to go through?
[23:30] <_MMA_> (generally)
[23:31] <kwwii> which he gives to me, and I boot my mac (which I bring with me nkow as well as my ibm) and the Cd is blank
[23:32] <kwwii> a pop-up appears asking me what to do with the blank CD
[23:32] <kwwii> it's like...fsck, I cannot even pay for something
[23:32] <_MMA_> hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha
[23:33]  * _MMA_ just shakes head. :)
[23:33] <_MMA_> The silliness of it all.
[23:33] <kwwii> but they spent the time printing labels for the cd, etc
[23:35] <_MMA_> :)
[23:58] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep
[23:58] <kwwii> night all
[23:58] <kwwii> _MMA_: btw, I am goign towork out the details of the email switch tomorrow
[23:59] <kwwii> so if something happens and nothing works, keep a cool head and help the others if possible :)
[23:59] <kwwii> you never know