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asacok08:28
gnomefreakya nvidia is fixed10:03
gnomefreakyay even10:03
ftaasac, people keep opening bugs against prism, while there's nothing prism could do about that, they want desktop apps features from webapps10:05
asacfta: thats how it works ;) ... set wontfix or invalid10:11
gnomefreakfirefox-3.1 and 3.2 help>about is broken, XML error10:15
gnomefreakok thats strange, a package updated but i didnt have it installed :(10:29
gnomefreaksometime this week i should have seamonkey 2.0 done. i doubt today since its monday and ive been off for a while10:55
asacjdstrand: we have https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471715 in the pipeline, but for 1.8 branches its not yet really QAed11:14
ubottuMozilla bug 471715 in Libraries "Add cert to nssckbi to override rogue md5-collision CA cert" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]11:14
asacnot sure what to do with that for this update round11:14
asacjdstrand: are there any server apps using nss?11:14
asacjdstrand: so my plan atm is to get the new nss (3.12latest) into hardy, intrepid and jaunty11:16
asacdapper and gutsy will come when we know what to do11:16
jagadeeshhow can setup thunderbird to see only unread emails15:17
piratenaapjefta: are you here?17:47
ftapiratenaapje, hi18:57
ftapiratenaapje, no, it didn't work, i fixed a few other things but it's still not enough18:57
piratenaapjefta: But it configures?18:57
ftathe whole python hack is far too messy18:57
ftano, configure worked, like for you18:57
ftathe build fails afterwards18:58
piratenaapjeOh :s18:58
ftai guess i have to figure out another way to use our system python.18:59
piratenaapjeWhat's the problem now then? Still the python build code?18:59
ftausing --python=xxx in xul-configure is apparently a bad idea18:59
ftano, by default, it expects a full copy of python in the moz objdir. if you don't provide it, you end up with just the python modules from both xul and o-k but no usable python19:00
piratenaapjenot sure if I can help with that19:01
ftathey should create a something we can ship in /usr/lib/python-support or something19:01
ftatoo bad i know almost nothing about python packaging19:02
ftadon't worry, it's a though project19:02
ftamuch tougher than usual19:02
piratenaapjeWell, I don't know much about python packaging either :s, probably less than you even19:03
ftai committed you stuff so asac could have a look, maybe he'll have a better idea19:03
ftadon't worry, whatever happens, you'll be credited for your work :)19:04
piratenaapjeAh, yay :p19:04
ftayouR19:04
piratenaapjeI'll take a look later, I can try at least19:04
ftasure19:04
ftaasac, ^^ any progress with o-k?19:05
ftaasac, maybe you can corner some python packaging magician in your sprint :)19:05
ftahmm, he's probably drinking beers in some dark place19:06
piratenaapjeAlright, no rush :p19:06
piratenaapjefta: You didn't commit your changes?19:34
ftahm, i thought i did, maybe not all19:35
piratenaapjefta: bzr says my tree is up to date, but I didn't update since saturday19:36
piratenaapjefta: oops sorry, bzr is a bit confusing, update doesn't actually update :p19:37
ftayou need rev619:37
ftabzr pull19:37
ftaupdate is different19:38
ftayou usually just need bzr init/push/pull/commit/diff/status19:38
piratenaapjefta: I'm used to svn :p19:38
ftayep, each vcs has its own tricks19:39
ftano more snow in paris :(19:42
ftapiratenaapje, another big problem with o-k is that they ship patches everywhere so when you have to patch those files, it becomes really ugly19:45
piratenaapjefta: We're supposed to patch the patches?19:48
ftanot if we can avoid it19:49
ftawe should really discuss with upstream19:49
ftabut i don't have much time to jump into yet another big project19:49
piratenaapjefta: And I'm really not experienced enough for this one :p19:50
ftamaybe we can drag another motu or core-dev into this19:51
fta(i secretly hoped asac was the one)19:51
fta;)19:51
piratenaapjefta: Hopefully :)19:51
ftaok, dinner time. cu later19:52
piratenaapjeEnjoy your meal19:52
mconnorasac: questions about libnotify20:11
mconnoror fta, I guess20:12
ftamconnor, yesN20:30
fta?20:30
mconnorfta: libnotify doesn't let you set an action for onclick?20:31
ftamconnor, i don't know the details. i know the cannonical devs are working on notifications and actions are hot debate. same for click through. asac should know more, he's in a sprint the whole week, so he probably has fresh news20:34
mconnorfta: ok, awesome, thanks21:13
ftaoh my! http://www.journaldugeek.com/2009/01/14/reparer-un-ecran-plasma/21:17
ftamconnor, in case you missed it, the initial rework idea for notifications started from there: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/25321:48
mconnorI think that the actions thing is stupid21:53
mconnorthe rationalization there is half-assed21:53
mconnorbecause by saying "hey, X" you're telling someone information that they may want to act on21:54
mconnorotherwise why are you even telling me anything?21:55
mconnorfta: where can I weigh in on this misguided decision process?21:55
ftahm.. UDS would have been a good place.21:56
mconnorI didn't know21:56
ftai'm looking on lp if there's a place with fresh info on this21:57
mconnorthanks21:57
mconnorbecause as it stands, I'm mulling backing out libnotify support, because it's a usability regression21:58
mconnorand then asac and I will have to get drunk at FOSDEM and fight to the death21:59
mconnoror something21:59
ftampt seems to be at the center of this topic21:59
[reed]ah, good ol' mpt ;)22:02
[reed]he's ex-Mozillian22:02
ftacan't find much :(22:08
ftahttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3#New%20style%20for%20notifications%20and%20notification%20preferences22:08
ftasome info about the new Desktop Experience Team: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/380522:11
ftahttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/12/canonical-linux-notification-system.ars22:11
ftano real spec, sorry22:11
mconnorfta: gotta love the transparency22:16
ftai thought some parts of the mozilla tree where twisted and ugly, but it's in fact very well polished compared to openkomodo :P22:25
fta-where+were22:25
piratenaapjefta: rule 106 of openkomodo-configure.patch should be removed, it's output I used for debugging22:27
piratenaapjefta: rule 97-114 can all be removed actually :p22:29
ftapiratenaapje, yes, i know but i'm not satisfied at all by the last two patches in the series (mine included). so i didn't even try to clean them. i just push them to let asac start from where we left.22:29
ftai'm quite sure there's a far better way to do this22:30
piratenaapjefta: ah alright22:30
piratenaapjefta: yeah it's quite hacky what I've done :p22:30
ftanot your fault, the design is flawed to start with22:31
piratenaapjefta: I don't see how the configure would've worked in the first place22:31
piratenaapjefta: The first error you were getting had nothing to do with the siloed python version22:32
ftai also fixed a lot of stuff that could not possibly have worked for anyone. I wonder how they manage to even build that thing upstream22:33
ftait's using a build system in perl, in python, with an autoconf and m4 macros, with Cons scripts, makefiles, shell scripts, etc..22:34
ftaplus patches22:34
ftaplus tons of foreign binaries22:35
piratenaapjefta: Yeah, easily the ugliest build system I've seen so far :p22:35
ftamaybe we could just bypass this whole python "black" build system and build each piece ourself22:37
piratenaapjefta: Sounds like alot of work :p22:39
ftamaybe22:40

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