[00:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Strigi uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> you're quite welcome
[01:26] <rgreening> quiet nite
[01:31] <jjesse> everyone left
[01:32] <Hobbsee> they ran away
[01:35] <ScottK> They phear the return of the stick
[01:36]  * Hobbsee muhahahaha
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/m330Zdb.html
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> :(
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> KDE doesn't like hal updates very much
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> plasma crashed too
[01:37] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[01:37] <ScottK> Hal restarts should be survivable.
[01:37] <ScottK> Dbus not so much.
[01:39] <ScottK> Three cheers for test building ....  Just had a stray '$' left in a .install file patch.
[01:39] <ScottK> So much for copy and paste.
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> #13 0xb637ccdf in ~OrgKdeSolidNetworkingClientInterface (this=0x1032b7d8) at /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.2.0/obj-i486-linux-gnu/solid/solid/org_kde_solid_networking_client.cpp:25
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> #18 0xb6346cc3 in PowerManagementPrivate (this=0x1032b908) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qstring.h:385
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> #19 0xb636d7ae in Solid::Backends::Hal::HalDevice::property (this=0xdfeef58, key=@0x6) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qmap.h:469
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> #20 0xb636d84a in Solid::Backends::Hal::HalDevice::property (this=0x0, key=@0x6) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qvariant.h:333
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> solid problems
[01:55]  * ScottK recalls having to beat some sense into guidance-power-manager about HAL restarts.
[02:02] <rgreening> does quassel lockup/freeze for anyone else?
[02:03] <jjesse> not in intrepid for me (utilizing ScottK's ppa)
[02:05] <rgreening> quassel in Jaunty is unusable
[02:05] <rgreening> completely unusable
[02:05] <jjesse> ah haven't tried it
[02:05] <rgreening> freezing all over the place for me
[02:05]  * jjesse needs  to rebuild my jaunty vm
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i found it worked OK for me
[02:08] <Hobbsee> until i opened konversation, anyway.
[02:08] <astromme> Quassel was working for me in Jaunty
[02:09] <rgreening> weird
[02:11] <ScottK> rgreening: I get occasional hesitations that have more to do with 'sqlite sucks' than anything else.
[02:11] <ScottK> rgreening: Are you using the monolithic client or the split client/core?
[02:11] <rgreening> this doesnt appear slight. It freezes so I have to terminate
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> I had a few freezes/memleaks with the url preview function
[02:11] <rgreening> sudo apt-get install quassel???
[02:11] <ScottK> No.  I haven't seen that, but I'm on Intrepid.  That's the monolithic one.
[02:12] <ScottK> Upstream have been very responsive, so I guess of you could strace it or something to get some idea of where it was hanging.
[02:13]  * JontheEchidna thinks he's found his bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160221
[02:14] <rgreening> Ill try\
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> it has a patch that was applied to trunk too
[02:16] <rgreening> looks like it keeps executing brk (break) ScottK
[02:17]  * ScottK looks at Sput and hopes that's meaningful
[02:18] <rgreening> and killing the konsole with the strace still left the quassel window open and hung... as in it never properly closed the app upon getting a quit/close from the command... strange indeed
[02:20] <ScottK> rgreening: I'd suggest filing an upstream bug with all the info you know.
[02:20] <ScottK> I just had one get fixed in 24 hours.
[02:21] <rgreening> yeah. It could be my system... as I am running KDE4.2 and Qt4.5 (could be a Qt issue)
[02:21] <rgreening> Id like some someone else with KDE4.2 on Jaunty (with Qt4.4.3) to test...
[02:24] <ScottK> I'd say submit the bug pointing that out and see if they are interested.  They've got a vested interest in Qt 4.5 not sucking after all.
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: works fine for me
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> I am using it as we speak
[02:28] <rgreening> Ok, sounds like a me issue.... still not happy :)
[02:28] <ScottK> Don't worry.  I'll fix that (preparing a new upload)
[02:28] <rgreening> lol
[03:27] <rgreening> Riddell: I disabled nepomuk and the kstartupconfig4 crash went away. So, it seems nepomuk is a problem with Qt4.5
[03:27] <ScottK> Color me not stunned.
[03:28] <rgreening> nepomuk should probably be burned and disabled
[03:33] <ScottK> Disable then burn.  It'll be easier to catch.
[03:33] <rgreening> :P
[03:33] <ScottK> Just uploaded quassel again.  This one will be good for it's debut Alpha milestone I think.
[03:34] <rgreening> for Jaunty or Intrepid or both?
[03:34] <ScottK> Both
[03:34] <ScottK> I always update my PPA at the same time so seele can check it out.
[03:34] <ScottK> Being as she's in charge of the "You must fix this" usability list.
[03:35] <rgreening> hehe
[03:37] <ScottK> nixternal: You up for Alpha 4 release notes?  This will be a big one:  KDE 4.2.0, amarok 2 on CD, quassel on CD, return of kdebluetooth (sort of even working).
[03:42] <stdin> jussi01: that login thing only works for uses ubottu knows about anyway
[03:49] <ScottK> I'm about to do a kdepim upload if anyone has anything (I'm fixing installability for kdepim-dev)
[03:57] <ScottK> rgreening: Tried amarok with Qt 4.5?
[03:58] <rgreening> yeah. seems fine
[03:58] <ScottK> Interesting.
[03:58] <ScottK> Guy on #amarok is claiming it doesn't work.
[03:59] <ScottK> Is yours the release or svn amarok?
[03:59] <rgreening> I just launched in and played a sone
[03:59] <rgreening> song even
[03:59] <ScottK> rgreening: ^^?
[03:59] <rgreening> I am using amarok from Jaunty
[04:00] <ScottK> K
[04:04] <ScottK> Might be worth tossing the Jaunty amarok package to your PPA with Qt 4.5 in it to see what happens.
[04:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Looking ahead to the Alpha 4, we have 3 packages we care about uninstallable: amarok needs the msql 5.1 MIR.  konq-plugins needs binary promotion of some ones newly enabled.  Kdepim has kdepim-dev with a bad depends from the boost transition.  I'm fixing that one.  The other two I think are up to you.
[04:06] <nixternal> ScottK: can't work on release notes, I have way to much work I have to do
[04:06] <ScottK> nixternal: Any suggestions on who?
[04:07] <nixternal> anyone really, it isn't rocket science
[04:11] <rgreening> jjesse?
[04:11] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ We'll need to find someone to do release notes (not me).  Lots of new shiny goodness this release.
[04:12] <rgreening> ScottK: I'll add in an amarok rebuild to my PPA and see what happens
[04:12] <ScottK> Kewl.
[04:12] <ScottK> If it fails, it'd be a good (bad) data point.
[04:12] <ScottK> I think jjesse would be good if he's available.
[04:17] <rgreening> My wifes lappy died. HD failure. had to buy a new one. reinstalling tonight/tomorrow (or Ill be killed)
[04:39]  * ScottK deftly wields "Convert to a question" and now our quassel package is bug free.
[04:41]  * Hobbsee converts ScottK to a question, too
[04:41] <ScottK> Almost forgot.   plasmoid-network-manager appears on the CD first time this go 'round too.
[04:46] <ScottK> BTW, if /me is the question, the answer must be scary.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:56] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I think kde4-style-qtcurve is the one that I thought made FF look OK.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hrm, i thought i'd try that.  I'll check when I next boot jaunty
[04:57] <nhandler> ScottK: Do you think enough time has passed to start preparing the backports for KDE 4.2? Or should we wait some more?
[05:05] <ScottK> nhandler: I'd like to get 4.1.4 verified and in -updates first.
[05:05] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Your Intrepid box is Gnome, right?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Would you please install kontact first from the main repo and then from -proposed and see if it acts any different as described in this bug: Bug #324232
[05:09]  * ScottK has got no box he can try that on.
[05:10] <ScottK> So far all but one of the so called regressions I've dealt with haven't been regressions at all.
[06:34] <ScottK> OK.  kdepim uploaded, so that uninstallable should be sorted.
[06:42] <rgreening> thank god. My PPA is all bunged up do to libboot et al
[06:42] <rgreening> libboost even
[06:50] <rgreening> ScottK: amarok2.01 built successfully against Qt4.5.0
[06:52] <ScottK> Figures.
[07:14] <Sput> rgreening: Quassel does not currently work with Qt 4.5
[07:14] <Sput> we're fixing this currently
[07:15] <Sput> looks like Trolltech decided to change the internal format for signal/slots which kills our signal handling
[07:31] <Riddell> morning
[07:55]  * Lure thinks it is getting harder and harder to follow quassel and p-network-manager packages (ScottK and Tonio_, you rock!)
[07:55] <Lure> ;-)
[07:55] <Riddell> Sput: does that explain why quassel freezes when I run it (with qt 4.5 installed)?
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you consider droping knm from the archives or just demote it to universe
[07:59] <Tonio_> ?
[08:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: depends on how reliable the plasmoid is :)
[08:00] <Riddell> if the plasmoid works for everyone we should drop knm
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, I have to test everything this WE...
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: means WPA, WPA2, WEP connection, VPN
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't test 3G btw.... I don't know who can...
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should discuss adding kmplayer-konq-plugins to kubuntu-meta btw....
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: very little, shouldn't be an issue
[08:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: now PNM seems to work, I'll stop pushing nightly-builds, and will perform a QA test before each upload, in order not to break anything
[08:06] <jussi01> Tonio_: I havent been able get the nm plasmoid to compile today :/
[08:19] <Tonio_> jussi01: hum lemme look
[08:21] <Tonio_> jussi01: building 920546...
[08:21] <jussi01> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:45 (message):
[08:21] <jussi01>   It is necessary to specify the directory where the client policy file for
[08:21] <jussi01>   NetworkManager-kde4 is installed as DBUS_SYSTEM_POLICY_DIR.  Normally this
[08:21] <jussi01>   is /etc/dbus-1/system.d on a Linux system
[08:21] <jussi01> Tonio_: ^
[08:23] <jussi01> thats after the initial cmake on a clean builddir
[08:28] <Tonio_> still nobody interested in revuing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=skrooge ? :)
[08:29]  * jussi01 prods Tonio_ to -motu :D
[08:30] <Tonio_> jussi01: I tried but nobody responded :)
[08:30] <jussi01> Tonio_: yeah, gets like that soetimes
[08:34] <Tonio_> jussi01: builds successfully here
[08:35]  * jussi01 wonders whats gone wrong... :/
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: any reason we have this : kmail: /usr/share/applications/kde4/akonadiconsole.desktop
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't that be part of akonadi package, and therefore, shouldn't we have it hidden by default ?
[09:10] <Tonio_> end users might not need this...
[09:14] <Riddell> umm, dunno
[09:15] <Riddell> mm, should probably be in akonadi-kde
[09:16] <Nightrose> when is feature freeze for jaunty?
[09:18] <Riddell> feb 19th
[09:19] <Nightrose> thx
[09:20] <Riddell> amarok:              [ERROR!] MySQL library initialization failed.
[09:20] <Riddell> grump
[09:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we just hide it ?
[09:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know what it does
[09:54] <Sput> Riddell: most likely it does explain it, yes
[09:56] <markey> hmmm
[09:56] <markey> Kubuntu rocks :)
[09:56] <markey> just had to say it again
[09:56] <markey> updating stuff is so easy and smooth
[09:56] <markey> loving it
[09:57] <markey> best distro I've ever used, that's for sure
[09:57] <markey> (been using SUSE for years, ooh, the pain!)
[09:57]  * Riddell hugs markey 
[09:58] <markey> my suse installation was widely known as "Chaotix" ;)
[09:58] <Riddell> markey: don't suppose you know how to compile amarok against a mysql which isn't installed to /usr ?
[09:59] <markey> Riddell: we some sort of FAQ for that, lemme grab the url
[09:59] <markey> sec
[09:59] <markey> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Development/MySQL_Embedded
[09:59] <markey> hopefully helpful, I'm not sure
[09:59] <markey> give it a try
[09:59]  * markey isn't much of a mysql expert..
[10:24] <markey> here we go, fresh 4.2 on this box
[10:24] <markey> the upgrade was not without problems though
[10:24] <markey> had to --force-overwrite a bunch of stuff
[10:24] <markey> a normal user would have run into problems
[10:24] <markey> a newb, I mean
[10:25] <markey> in fact I'm kinda newby'ish; Mamarok helped me
[10:28] <Riddell> markey: that on intrepid/8.10 ?
[10:30] <markey> yes
[10:30] <Riddell> markey: don't suppose you still have a list of those errors?
[10:30] <markey> also NEON regularly generates conflicts, for some reason
[10:31] <markey> sec
[10:31] <markey> asking Mamarok
[10:31] <markey> she knows better
[10:31] <Mamarok> Riddell: there was a problem I solved with force-overwrite
[10:32] <Riddell> Mamarok: right but do you have it still in a terminal to copy and paste the error?
[10:32] <Mamarok> for kde-oxygen-icon
[10:32] <Riddell> those icons are pesky like that
[10:32] <Mamarok> some stuff could not overwrite
[10:32] <Mamarok> markey: check the konsole, should still be somewhere
[10:33] <markey> no way
[10:33] <markey> rebooted
[10:33] <Mamarok> silly me, right
[10:33] <markey> history os not persistent afaik
[10:33] <markey> is*
[10:34] <markey> hmm
[10:34] <markey> something else:
[10:34] <markey>   ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in
[10:34] <markey>   /home/mark/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps;/home/mark/kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps
[10:34] <markey> anyone got a quick idea on that?
[10:34] <markey> I seem to be missing something
[10:35] <Riddell> markey: should be in /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake from kdelibs5-dev
[10:35] <markey> hmm
[10:36] <markey> thanks, got it
[10:36] <markey> yikes, the auto-removal of packagas scares me a bit
[10:37] <markey> always afraid of losing some dep I need for compiling
[10:37] <markey> any way to disable that?
[10:37] <markey> The following packages will be REMOVED: dcraw{u} kde-core{u} krita-data-kde4{u} latex-xft-fonts{u} libbluetooth-dev{u} libboost-dev{u} libboost-serialization-dev{u} libboost-serialization1.34.1{u} libcapseo-dev{u}
[10:37] <Riddell> markey: what are you running which does auto removal?
[10:37] <markey> ..etc
[10:37] <markey> did that:
[10:37] <markey> mark@Hyperion:~/kde/src/amarok$ sudo aptitude install kdelibs5-dev
[10:38] <Riddell> mm, I just use apt, there's probably a way to tell apititude not to do autoremoval but I couldn't tell you what
[10:38] <markey> ok
[10:38] <markey> gotta say I love aptitude
[10:38] <markey> very nice app
[10:39]  * Sput fondly remembers when installing qt4-dev removed parts of X11 :)
[10:39] <Sput> a couple years ago though
[10:39] <markey> args
[10:39] <markey> I'm really afraid of such things
[10:40] <markey> I had something similar happen once
[10:40] <markey> suddenly half of my dev environment was gone
[10:40] <markey> no fun ;)
[10:40] <Sput> I don't trust package managers that remove stuff without clearly showing their reasoning
[10:40] <markey> well usually apt is really smart about that
[10:40] <markey> but
[10:40] <a|wen> ... always look through the list of packages being removed
[10:40] <markey> if you have stuff installed for compiling something, apt cannot know if that is still needed
[10:40] <markey> not automatically
[10:41] <markey> of course
[10:41] <Sput> doesn't it record if you explicitly installed a package?
[10:41] <markey> dunno
[10:41] <a|wen> Sput: it does
[10:41] <Sput> rather than it being pulled in as a dep
[10:41] <markey> not an expert on that
[10:41] <Sput> and there is probably a way to add packages to that "wanted list" too
[10:41] <Sput> so apt knows you want them
[10:41] <a|wen> Sput: "aptitude unmarkauto" does that
[10:42] <markey> ah
[10:42] <a|wen> and "aptitude markauto" tells that you don't care (remove if nothing else needs it)
[10:42] <markey> cool thanks
[10:43] <markey> btw, there is a glaring usability issue, but that is probably plasma rather than kubuntu
[10:43] <markey> the error plasmoid that comes up when a plasmoid is broken contains a big red X icon
[10:43] <markey> this icon looks like a button
[10:43] <markey> it isn't one
[10:43] <markey> extremely confusing
[10:43] <markey> seele might be interested in that
[11:02] <markey> /home/mark/kde/src/amarok/src/collection/sqlcollection/XesamDbus.h:22:39: error: strigi/qtdbus/strigitypes.h: No such file or directory
[11:03] <markey> anyone remember what package is missing?
[11:03] <markey> I keep forgetting
[11:03] <markey> some strigi foo
[11:03] <markey> that might be an error in our cmake foo, it fails to check for that properly
[11:03] <markey> says "ALL OK", and then errors out during compile
[11:04]  * markey installs libstrigiqtdbusclient-dev
[11:04] <stdin> !find strigi/qtdbus/strigitypes.h
[11:04] <markey> yeah
[11:05] <markey> thx
[11:05] <markey> why is cmake not checking that properly, hm
[11:05] <markey> somewhere along the chan there is a bug
[11:05] <markey> chain*
[11:05] <markey> in amarok, or kde
[11:06] <stdin> it's not cmake, it's the compiler not finding the header
[11:06] <markey> I realize that ;)
[11:06] <markey> <- programmer
[11:07] <stdin> but you said it was cmake just?
[11:07] <stdin> or am I just not reading right :p
[11:07] <markey> I think there is a check missing in our cmake foo, it should error out before compiling, if this dep is missing
[11:08] <markey> but doesn't
[11:09] <stdin> ahh, I see what you mean now
[11:09] <markey> :)
[11:27] <Tm_T> stickers?
[11:29] <stdin> stickers, thinks that sticks to other things
[11:29]  * stdin fails at spelling today
[11:29]  * Tm_T goes sticky mode
[11:31] <Mamarok> btw, is there a chance to get plasma widgets to work correctly soonish in 4.2?
[11:31] <Mamarok> used to work in RC1, doesn't work anymore in final :(
[11:31] <Mamarok> bad regression IMHO
[11:31] <Tm_T> Mamarok: how they doesn't work?
[11:32] <Mamarok> Tm_T: well, I can't use most of them anymore, like pastebin, folderview, etc.
[11:32] <Mamarok> like if I change the folder, nothing shows
[11:33] <Mamarok> impossible to drag and drop to pastebin
[11:33] <Tm_T> Mamarok: interesting... can you give me full list what applets doesn't work?
[11:33] <Riddell> Mamarok: sounds like you have a package or two that isn't up to date
[11:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: I was thinking the same
[11:34] <Riddell> Mamarok: what does  apt-cache policy kdebase-plasma | grep Inst  show?
[11:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: Installed: 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2
[11:37] <Mamarok> I don't use that many, strangely Comic Strip works again and it didn't so in RC1
[11:38] <Mamarok> well, s/strangely/happyly
[11:38] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: does kubuntu-experimentals xorg already fix what adamspain ships in his ppa? (=video garbage)
[11:38] <knusperfrosch> (talking about intrepid)
[11:42] <knusperfrosch> Riddell: managed to build a german language pack from the dsc that batl10n produced. so in case i create debdiffs for all languagepacks for 4.2 where should i put them or are they already done for intrepid?
[12:06] <markey> anyone know Jorge Castro's email address?
[12:08] <Tm_T> markey: one moment
[12:09] <Tm_T> markey: aye, I did remember right, jorge@ubuntu.com
[12:10] <markey> thx :)
[12:25] <ghostcube> sma
[12:25] <ghostcube> oh
[12:26] <Tonio_> one little question for all... was there a kepas equivalent (and eventually compatible) for kde3
[12:41] <seele> i saw my name somewhere
[12:42] <seele> markey: i can't do much about missing plasmoids although there is probably a more graceful way to let the user know the widget is broken than a big red X
[12:51] <a|wen> Mamarok: have you tried removing the widget and inserting it again?
[12:53] <Mamarok> a|wen: yes I have, didn't work
[12:54] <a|wen> okay ... did work me once, so could have been
[12:54] <Mamarok> seele: the point is, most users will try to click on that particular big red button because it looks too mich like a button
[12:54] <seele> Mamarok: ah yes, definitly
[12:54] <Mamarok> maybe changeing it to a triangle would be more appropriate
[12:55]  * seele wonders if the HIG says to use a red X icon and that's why they did that
[12:59] <a|wen> Mamarok: strange ... i've got intrepid + kde4.2 as well, and can't find a single one, that doesn't work
[13:00] <a|wen> Mamarok: any output from "dpkg -l | grep 4.1.96" ?
[13:00] <Mamarok> a|wen: did you upgrade from RC1 too? I have been told it might be a problem with that
[13:00] <a|wen> Mamarok: i did
[13:01] <Mamarok> and no, there are no reminaing 4.1.96 packages
[13:02] <a|wen> Mamarok: i'm out of good ideas then ... broken settings file somewhere perhaps
[13:05] <Nightrose> Mamarok: tried a new user?
[13:07] <jcastro> markey: I'm around, what's up?
[13:13] <mrvanes> Does anybody know why kde daemon started to open kwallet at logon recently (4.2.0)?
[13:15] <markey> jcastro: just wanted to ask you a question regarding MP3 patenting, but this is easier over email. I'll send you a mail, ok?
[13:20] <jcastro> markey: sure! I don't know anything about mp3 patenting but I will do my best
[13:23] <Mamarok> Nightrose: I always start with a new .kde/ when I upgrade to a new version...
[13:24] <markey> jcastro: oh ok, I was told that you're right person to talk to
[13:28] <jcastro> markey: if not I can point you in the right direction
[13:28] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: kubuntu-experimental's xorg-xserver drops a patch that is the source on video garbage.  I haven't looked at admspain's PPA, so I can't say for sure.
[13:30] <Nightrose> markey: i told you he is the one to point you to the right person - not that he is the right person ;-)
[13:30] <ScottK> Mamarok: For the plasma widgets, they have to be recompiled against the new libplasma.  So on Intrepid, any that you installed from the main repo and didn't update from kubuntu-experimental are sure not to work.
[13:31] <markey> oh ok
[13:32] <markey> sorry then
[13:32] <markey> jcastro: can you point me to the right person to talk to? ;)
[13:32] <Riddell> markey, Mamarok: are you guys coming to fosdem by the way?
[13:33] <markey> amarok team: yes. me personally: no
[13:33] <markey> I plan to attend LinuxTag, Froscon, Akademy
[13:33] <markey> this year
[13:33] <markey> well at least those
[13:33] <markey> plus OpenExpo
[13:33] <Riddell> limiting yourself is wise :)
[13:33] <markey> :)
[13:34] <markey> Froscon is something I can really recommend
[13:34] <markey> best FOSS conference imho :)
[13:34] <markey> well exluding Akademy
[13:34] <markey> danimo is one of the organizers of Froscon
[13:34] <markey> or somehow involved in it
[13:38] <claydoh> s
[13:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: no, too much work
[13:38] <Riddell> fair enough, just means I can't offer to look at your plasma issue there
[13:39] <ScottK> claydoh: Any chance you'd be up for being 'Mr. Release Notes' for Alpha 4?
[13:39] <Riddell> I'm afraid I'm away from home just now so don't have an intrepid system to try and recreate the issue, but it sounds a lot like something is affected by the ABI change that happaned in plasma prior to release
[13:40] <Riddell> mrvanes: no idea why kwallet is being used on startup
[13:40] <Nightrose> Riddell: it works perfectly fine here on intrepid with latest updates
[13:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: yeah I'm pretty sure it was all working for me when I was at home
[13:40] <mrvanes> Riddell: am I the only one then? Nobody a kwallet request from kde daemon at logon?
[13:41] <Riddell> mrvanes: maybe it's network manager?
[13:41] <mrvanes> Riddell: Not that I really mind, I just find it curious and I can't figure out why it would need kwallet access?
[13:41] <EagleScreen> congrat for the update to kdebluetooth 0.3, it seems to be working now
[13:41] <Riddell> EagleScreen: in jaunty?
[13:41] <EagleScreen> not, in Intrepid
[13:42] <Riddell> oh, good
[13:42] <EagleScreen> i haven't done tests in Jaunty
[13:42] <mrvanes> Riddell: maybe... I'll keep that in mind, but you're not seeing it?
[13:43] <Riddell> I'm not no, sometimes konqueror asks for a password on startup if its loading a page which needs it
[13:43] <Riddell> mrvanes: could be e-mail access too
[13:43] <jcastro> markey: just send me the mail and I'll pass it along
[13:44] <mrvanes> Riddell: I'm used to kontact and kopete asking for it... no problem... but never had kded ask... so that's when I started wondering
[13:45] <mrvanes> Riddell: the strangest part is that I'm missing no functionality after disallowing access this session...
[13:46] <markey> jcastro: ok cool, gonna do that
[13:46] <claydoh> ScottK: I think I could give it a shot, how soon?
[13:46] <ScottK> Release on Thursday.
[13:47] <ScottK> claydoh: Just grab the ones from last time and update.  Things I know of:
[13:47] <claydoh> mrvanes: I get that, but I think it may be one of my plasmoids, though I don't know which or why
[13:48] <mrvanes> claydoh: I thought that too... but I have not plasmoid with 'password' related tasks
[13:48] <mrvanes> claydoh: as far as I know ;)
[13:48]  * claydoh will check
[13:48]  * claydoh suspects his yawp weather plasmoid
[13:49] <claydoh> which is the bee's knees imo :)
[13:49] <mrvanes> claydoh: I have that too ;)
[13:49] <ScottK> Kmail/Akonadi & Amarok co-installability fixed, Quassel is our new default IRC client and on the CD, plasmoid-network-manager (the KDE4 replacement for Knm) is on the CD (Knm still present for now), kdebluetooth back and working (at least sort of), and of course, KDE 4.2.0
[13:49]  * claydoh will logout nand check
[13:49] <claydoh> ScottK: kewl
[13:50] <ScottK> claydoh: I'd highly recommend a link to your blog post on Quassel in there (it's actually what made me think of you for the job).
[13:50] <ScottK> Riddell: claydoh ^^^ is our release notes volunteer.
[13:50]  * claydoh blushes
[13:51] <claydoh> anyway I really wanted to find something to do *not* involving kubuntuforums right now:)
[13:58] <claydoh> mrvanes: definitely looks like yawp is doing it
[13:58] <a|wen> ScottK: just got to test a bit further on the bluetooth part in intrepid ... the only thing i can't get to work is to receive files on the computer, but pairing and sending works
[13:59] <ScottK> Definite progress.
[13:59] <mrvanes> claydoh: Thx for testing! Strangest part is that I have weather info without letting kded into kwallet?
[14:00] <claydoh> I dunno, though the plasmoid does cache its data untill it can connect
[14:00] <Lure> Riddell: will digikam/kipi-plugins be on CD for next alpha or are we lacking space?
[14:00] <a|wen> ScottK: from the terminal i can see that the obex-server start as 'kbluetooth4(8189) ObexServer::ObexServer: "00:00:00:00:00:00"' ... which does look like it is missing the mac-address, so could very well be kdebluetooth/obex integration problem
[14:00] <mrvanes> claydoh: Hmm... that would be a good test then. Still no reason to ask for kwallet of course
[14:01] <Riddell> Lure: it takes up 30MB, that's really too much
[14:01] <Riddell> Lure: 20MB of that is marble
[14:01] <ScottK> a|wen: Whatever it is, is also almost certainly present in Jaunty, so any information for a good upstream bug would be highly useful.
[14:02] <Lure> Riddell: ups, fogot about that....
[14:02] <Lure> Riddell: tackat mentioned that he might separate 20MB data package into must have and optional
[14:02] <Lure> Riddell: but I suppose this is 4.3 material
[14:03] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll try to see if i can collect some more info ablout what might fail
[14:03] <Lure> Riddell: can we get at least kipi-plugins (no marble there) in order to provide nice extensions to gwenview
[14:04] <ScottK> a|wen: Great.  JontheEchidna seems to do very well with upstreaming bugs, so you might want to talk to him about what info would be good.
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/bugskdeorg.html
[14:09] <a|wen> thx
[14:12] <Riddell> kipi-plugins seems to be about 5MB, we can probably live with that
[14:12] <Riddell> agateau: do you think it's a good thing to have kipi-plugins installed (rather than another language pack)
[14:22] <knusperfrosch> Riddell: btw, what about the 4.2 langpacks for intrepid?
[14:22] <agateau> Riddell: yes, kipi-plugins add quite a few nice features
[14:22] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: 4.2 isn't officially in Intrepid.
[14:23] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: i know, but having a half translated 4.2 from kubuntu-experimental isn't nice either
[14:24] <ScottK> If someone were to write an appropriate script to grab the translations, we could add them to kubuntu-experimental.
[14:24] <ScottK> Our most likely candidate for such work is currently on vacation.
[14:24]  * ScottK waves to vacationlogger.
[14:24] <knusperfrosch> k, so batl10n needs some love
[14:25] <ScottK> rgreening: When you tried Quassel on Qt 4.5, which version did you have?
[14:27] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: dpkg-buildpackage did work for the resulting sourcedir, the only issue i recognized was "jaunty" in the changelog.
[14:28] <ScottK> You need to edit debian/changelog before building.
[14:28] <knusperfrosch> didn't edit anything, batl10n did the work
[14:29] <knusperfrosch> i'll have a look at the script..
[14:48] <EagleScreen> kbluetooth4 0.3 crashed at turn off bluetooth device, can I obtain debugging symbols anywhere?
[14:49] <Riddell> probably not for intrepid
[15:00] <rgreening> ScottK: I just tried the latest snapshot for KDE4.2 and I just updated quassel today. Still freezes solid for me
[15:01] <rgreening> qt snapshot I mean
[15:01] <rgreening> o/ rickspencer3
[15:01] <ScottK> You might talk to EgS on #quassel then as he's working on 4.5 compatibility.
[15:02] <rickspencer3> yes?
[15:02] <rgreening> rickspencer3: just waving hello :)
[15:02] <rgreening> ScottK: ok
[15:02] <rickspencer3> cool
[15:02] <rickspencer3> hi
[15:09] <tanob> anybody here knows how to fix a current problem on KDE 4.2 in which some plasmoids like dict, notes, twitter, when added just display a message like "could not find requested component: ..." ?
[15:11] <ScottK> tanob: Are you in Intrepid with packages from kubuntu-experimental?
[15:12] <tanob> ScottK yes
[15:13] <ScottK> Any plasmoids from the official archive use libplasm2.  You now have libplasma3.
[15:13] <ScottK> So they need to be recompiled.
[15:14]  * ScottK deeply wishes someone would toss all the plasmoids at kubuntu-experimental.
[15:16] <tanob> hmm...
[15:16] <tanob> i see that the desktop files are on /usr/share/kde4/services
[15:16] <tanob> but where do stay the binaries ?
[15:17] <tanob> i mean, the X-KDE-Library=plasma_applet_kolourpicker
[15:17] <tanob> where is plasma_applet_kolourpicker ?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> tanob: you need to install kdeplasma-addons
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> it most likely wasn't upgraded automatically because of the new libexiv lib
[15:23] <ghostcube> hi folks :)
[15:24] <EagleScreen> kate 4.2.0 does not remember recently open files
[15:25] <tanob> c   kdeplasma-addons
[15:26] <tanob> lets see, im removing digikam and kipi-plugins
[15:28] <tanob> JontheEchidna: solved, thank you :)
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> you might want to install the kde4 version of digikam from the digikam-experimental ppa
[15:30] <tanob> hm, nice to know
[15:31] <tanob> thanks again
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> Arby: there already was an UNRELEASED-series changelog entry in kdesdk
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> I'll merge the changelog entries
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> p.s. un-uploaded versions in bzr should have a series of UNRELEASED in the debian/changelog entry
[15:33] <rgreening> ScottK: If Konversation is close to ready...I'd like to get my hands on it... thoughts?
[15:33] <ScottK> I think we've made our decision on what we're going to use as our default client.
[15:34] <a|wen> ScottK: don't know if you saw my reply to bug 292576 ... can you find any file-overlap of any sort between those two packages?
[15:34] <ScottK> Much like kvirc, if konversation has a close to ready port, it'd make sense to switch.
[15:34] <ScottK> a|wen: Saw it.  I haven't had time to look into it.
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> I don't think konversation will be ready in time
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> but
[15:36] <rgreening> Quassel seems worse than Kvirc (Kvirc + some same default settings I mean) at least from what little I could use
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> at least it exists: http://saroengels.blogspot.com/2009/02/konsolidated.html
[15:36] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... if you add an "i agree" to the bug at some point i'll add a fix to it (unless you can find an overlap of course :) )
[15:37] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Is the src available anywhere?
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> probably
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> I haven't looked
[15:39] <a|wen> do we have updated packages of kvirc + quassel avaible somewhere to compare?
[15:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/konvi-kde4/
[15:40] <ScottK> If you're on Jaunty both are in the archive.
[15:41] <rgreening> ScottK / JontheEchidna ^^ I may take a stab at packaging it
[15:41] <ScottK> rgreening == Mr. Ircclient.
[15:41] <rgreening> :)
[15:41] <a|wen> still on intrepid ... last i heard jaunty + ati wasn't that good friends (but might have changed of course)
[15:42] <ScottK> You can get the current quassel from my PPA.
[15:42] <ScottK> Dunno about kvirc
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/EyqjdnUy.html
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> ^My quassel setup
[15:42] <rgreening> kvirc is only in jaunty I believe
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> <3 pastebin plasmoid
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> dragging from ksnapshot to pastebin plasmoid ftw
[15:43] <rgreening> I miss Konversation. Clean and simple.
[15:44]  * ScottK gives JontheEchidna a slap in the head for spilling Ninja Secretz.
[15:44]  * rgreening goes off to package konversation to turn the tides...
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> oh damn
[15:45] <ScottK> The thing I miss most about Konversation is nick tab completion.
[15:45] <rgreening> ya
[15:45] <rgreening> I'll get konversation back ...... wheeeee
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's what I miss most too
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> but its worth not having to load any kde3 stuff in my session
[15:47] <Sput> well, you do have nick tab completion :) it's just not sorted properly
[15:48] <Sput> (which will be taken care of early in the 0.5 cycle)
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> <3
[15:48] <ScottK> Sput: Yes.  I miss the way Konversation did it.  Please steal that at your earliest opportunity.
[15:48] <Sput> yeah, I was trying to get that ready for 0.4, but work deadlines intervened :/
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: if you have time, could you sponsor the latest kdesdk bzr please? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdesdk/ubuntu
[15:49] <ScottK> Understand.  I think you've made some major strides on this release.
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> (revisions 8-10)
[15:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Do we need this for Alpha 4 or can it wait?
[15:50] <Sput> working on the toolbars currently, those will go into 0.4
[15:50]  * ScottK points JontheEchidna at /topic.
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:51]  * JontheEchidna wonders how important the boost transition is
[15:51] <ScottK> I think it's installable as is so I'd call it fine.
[15:52]  * ScottK looks at Riddell for guidance?
[15:54] <Riddell> if it's not needed for alpha it shouldn't go in until freeze is over
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it probably isn't required for alpha
[15:54] <davmor2> Riddell: did you fix the amarok issue?
[15:55] <Riddell> davmor2: yep, looks like it's made it to the archive too
[15:55] <davmor2> Riddell: so that should be sorted for tomorrow then yes?
[15:55] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[15:55] <davmor2> cool :)
[15:55] <Riddell> I wonder if we can rebuild CDs now
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> btw, how goes progress on getting amarok in to main?
[15:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I had a meeting wit hthe security dudes
[15:56] <ScottK> Blocked on mysql 5.1 in Main
[15:56]  * ScottK listens
[15:56] <Riddell> they want amarok and mysql built from the same source package
[15:56] <Riddell> which I'm working on now
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> oh, like what we did with the ppa?
[15:56] <Riddell> no, that was a separate source package
[15:57] <davmor2> Riddell: how long does it take?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> sounds like "fun"
[15:57] <Riddell> they want no part of mysql5.1 to be exposed as .so or .a files that can be installed since that means people could use them and then they'd need to support that
[15:57] <Riddell> davmor2: does what?
[15:58] <davmor2> how long would the rebuild take (I'm wondering if it'll be up before I sod off)
[15:59] <Riddell> davmor2: half an hour?
[16:00] <davmor2> Riddell: if you do give me a ping when it's up and I see if I can't give it a quick smoke test before tomorrow :)
[16:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: http://incoming.debian.org/eigen2_2.0.0-1.dsc if you want it.
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> oh, so they uploaded it to experimental?
[16:09] <ScottK> Yep
[16:09] <Riddell> davmor2: voila http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20090203.1/
[16:12] <Riddell> ScottK: I should just sync that I guess
[16:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I haven't looked at it, but I guess.
[16:17] <davmor2> Riddell: rsync script does it's job and hey presto it's dl'd
[16:26]  * Riddell syncs eigen2
[16:32] <davmor2> Riddell: It seems to be installing so far :)
[16:32]  * Riddell crosses fingers
[16:38] <Riddell> testers needed for amarok  on jaunty i386 http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/amarok/
[16:45]  * JontheEchidna can test
[16:51] <davmor2> Riddell: it's up now with just the issues that were there yesterday :)
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: dpkg complains its downgrading
[16:52]  * ScottK notes no KDE stuff on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/jaunty_probs.html and cheers.
[16:52] <ScottK> \o/
[16:53] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> amarok: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libamarokplasma.so.2: undefined symbol: _ZN12QCommonStyle6polishEP7QWidget
[16:55] <ScottK> Looks like that was built against 4.1, not 4.2?
[16:55] <ScottK> Wait.  Nevermind.
[16:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hmm, that'll be because I have qt 4.5 on my system
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> aah
[16:56] <Riddell> fooey
[16:56]  * JontheEchidna personally wouldn't upgrade to 4.5 until 4.5 RC1
[16:59] <rgreening> rc1 tonight
[16:59] <rgreening> was talking with qt maintainer
[16:59]  * ScottK personally won't upgrade to 4.5 until well about Jaunty Beta if it's in Jaunty.
[16:59]  * ScottK lets you crazy people go first.
[16:59] <rgreening> we are some 'wild 'n crazy guyz'
[17:00] <ScottK> Oh dear.  You are old.
[17:00] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:11] <davmor2> Riddell: Out of interest why is quassel not in favourites?  Being that it is an excellent way to get help and info I'd of thought that it would of been promoted ?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> davmor2: likely just an oversight
[17:12] <rgreening> heheh
[17:12] <knusperfrosch> vacationlogger: line 101 in batl10n: dhc isn't called with -D #{TD} i guess that's why my changelog contains jaunty
[17:13] <davmor2> ScottK: you obviously need a groovy lesson young man :P
[17:13]  * ScottK recalls the Wild 'n Crazy Guys from the original....
[17:15] <rgreening> me 2
[17:15] <ScottK> Right.
[17:16]  * ScottK wasn't kidding about old ....
[17:16] <rgreening> ya
[17:16] <rgreening> but not to old to learn new tricks
[17:16] <knusperfrosch> vacationlogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/113263/ i guess TD means target distribution?
[17:17]  * davmor2 is now concerned that the kubuntu team might all be older than kde :D
[17:18] <ScottK> No we have our youngsters too.
[17:18]  * ScottK gives JontheEchidna a whack on the back of the head to make sure he stays awake in class.
[17:19] <claydoh> any good 4.2-final screenshots suitable for the relase notes laying around?
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: when in doubt, raid from the official kde announcements :P
[17:19] <claydoh> now that would be too easy
[17:19] <claydoh> and too easily noticed :)
[17:20]  * JontheEchidna has done it before :P
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> granted for the kubuntu.org KDE announcements
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> you could try grabbing one from the visual guide
[17:21] <claydoh> I may just make a new user so i can get a clean desktop shot
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> since less people have seen that, presumably
[17:21] <claydoh> or the visual guide
[17:21] <claydoh> lol
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> lol
[17:21]  * claydoh assumes we use the default KDE walpaper and such?
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> maybe, I don't recall if anyone's updated k-d-s for that
[17:22] <claydoh> well that makes it easier to borrow images then :)
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> The Air wallpaper is KDE's default, and probably will be our default for jaunty
[18:08] <knusperfrosch> k script seems to produce a proper changelog now. so what to do with the files in case i let batl10n do all 55 languages?
[18:11] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've never done I10n
[18:11] <ScottK> Maybe vacationlogger has some quick advice.
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> That patch worked wonderfully, no more crashes on hal restarts
[18:13] <ScottK> Great.  I think it can wait until after the Alpha though.
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> anybody wanna install kde4libs from here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa, log out/back in, and do a sudo service hal restart?
[18:14] <knusperfrosch> if published does my email show up somewhere? (that one used doesn't get any spam right now...)
[18:16] <ScottK> Yes, it does.
[18:16] <ScottK> You might want to pick a different one.
[18:20]  * JontheEchidna pushes fixed kde4libs to bzr for upload after freeze
[18:28] <knusperfrosch> hmm batl10n-upload uses dput and uploads it to the specified archive. i guess my launchpad account isn't allowed to upload to kubuntu-experimental?
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> knusperfrosch: Riddell or vacationlogger can add you as a member
[18:32] <RoccoLord> Does anybody know why the ozygen/ozone windeco buttons looks different in Kubuntu compared with the pics in the announcement on kde.org?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> RoccoLord: likely the person who did the screenshot was running trunk and 4.2 on the same system
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> and Qt cached the 4.3 trunk window decorations
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> and used them in his 4.2 install
[18:37] <RoccoLord> JontheEchidna: OK thanks
[19:07] <EagleScreen> kdebluetooth 0.3 crash each time I turn off bluetooth
[19:21] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: can you get trace?
[19:21] <EagleScreen> i havent got debugging symbols
[19:21] <Tm_T> hmm, install related -dbg packages, please
[19:21] <EagleScreen> i will try..
[19:22] <Tm_T> thanks, son
[19:23] <EagleScreen> kdebluetooth-dbg? it is not listed in my repos
[19:33] <claydoh> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha4/Kubuntu
[19:33] <claydoh> hows that?
[19:34]  * ScottK looks
[19:35] <ScottK> Looks good.
[19:35]  * ScottK edits just a little ....
[19:39] <ScottK> claydoh: Great job.  If you don't like any of my edits, feel free to adjust.
[19:39] <claydoh> ScottK: I doubt I would not like the edits, but looks....
[19:39]  * knusperfrosch sees the nm-plasmoid for the first time
[19:39] <knusperfrosch> does vpnc work?
[19:40] <claydoh> ScottK: no, me likee the edits :)
[19:44] <Lure> Riddell: should we get new pnm for alpha now that it got final name (but I do not see Tonio_ around)?
[19:56] <rgreening> anyone know OpenVMS?
[19:56] <rgreening> my server fried
[19:56] <rgreening> :(
[19:56] <rgreening> haha
[19:57] <rgreening> ScottK: ^^ that should be in your timeframe :)
[19:59] <EagleScreen> usb-creator depends on gksu, it installs much Gnome stuff if you want ot install usb-creator in Kubuntu, by this, i am building a usb-creator which depends on gksu | kdesudo, it is working, but i have the problem that it does not starts from K-Menu unless you edit the K Menu and set 'kdesudo usb-creator' in command field.
[20:00] <EagleScreen> what can I do for my package starts from K-Menu or Gnome menu with kdesudo or gksu respectively?
[20:02] <EagleScreen> *respectly?
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> just a second and I might be able to help
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> KDE apps, at least, put this in their .desktop files:
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[20:09] <ScottK> rgreening: Sorry, no openVMS here.
[20:09] <ScottK> claydoh: Great.
[20:24] <EagleScreen> for instance, synaptic starts using gksu if it is under Gnome, or using KDESu/kdesudo if it is under KDE, how can i make my apps to do the same?
[20:28] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: maybe leaving out that xorg patch triggers a new one? Xorg crashes on F11 in dual screen mode
[20:29] <ScottK> Should be unreleated.
[20:30] <knusperfrosch> how di i get a backtrace for X? gdb startx on commandline?
[20:30] <knusperfrosch> konqueror+f11 and systemsettings->display trigger that crash
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> knusperfrosch: there should be a backtrace in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[20:33] <knusperfrosch> JontheEchidna: last modified 1 1/4 hour ago?
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> it's a log of your last X session
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> which should end when X crashes
[20:35] <knusperfrosch> ends with "(EE) intel(0): underrun on pipe B!" but that crash was 10 minutes ago
[20:45] <Lure> Riddell & others: review appreciated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLensFun
[20:49]  * Lure notices that jaunty NEW increased by 20 packages in a day :-(, hope we can get lensfun in before FF
[20:53] <maco> knusperfrosch: ah thats a common error
[20:54] <maco> knusperfrosch: there's a bug about it...
[20:55] <knusperfrosch> maco: found one on launchpad: 221119
[20:55] <maco> bug 283723 references it too
[20:56] <maco> and bug 287485
[20:56] <maco> there's a handful of 'em with that error, but i doubt its relevant to all of them
[20:57] <knusperfrosch> k i'll try the intel testing ppa
[21:14] <neversfelde> So, my first package is in jaunty :). Any junior tasks around to learn more?
[21:19] <Tm_T> neversfelde: yes, get me faster computer
[21:20] <Tm_T> this clock around waiting is killing me
[21:20] <neversfelde> k, probably I can send you mine in 2017 :D
[21:20] <Tm_T> (:)
[21:20] <Nightrose> neversfelde: what package?
[21:20] <Tm_T> beat that!  http://62.216.121.197/phpsysinfo/
[21:22] <neversfelde> Nightrose: plasmoid-windowslist. Not very useful, but I already know one user^^.
[21:22]  * Nightrose wonders who it was she asked to package the RTM widget
[21:22] <Nightrose> was that you neversfelde?
[21:23] <neversfelde> Nightrose: I am working on that, but my skills seem to be not good enough
[21:23] <neversfelde> we'll see
[21:23] <Nightrose> ah ok
[21:23] <Nightrose> well if you have problems ask :)
[21:23] <ScottK> Looks like we're back in business on lpia.  kde4libs and kdelibs built.
[21:23] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:23] <neversfelde> hehe, pbuilder does not want to accept my local repo, do not know why
[21:27] <neversfelde> probably vacationlogger can stop and help me to fix this, when he's near nuremberg :D
[21:51] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[21:51] <ScottK> rgreening: Pong
[21:52] <rgreening> ScottK: I am on with konversation from svn
[21:52] <rgreening> :)
[21:52] <ScottK> OK.  If it's good, update it.
[21:52] <ScottK> I still think we've made our decision for Jaunty though.
[21:53] <rgreening> ScottK: hmm... crashed. :)
[21:53] <rgreening> hah
[21:53] <rgreening> still, I like this beter than quassel
[21:54] <ScottK> There's a lot I like about Konversation.
[21:54] <rgreening> ScottK: ok, the crash was probably due to the debuggin I had going. Turned off and it seems stable.
[21:54] <ScottK> For me thought the split client/core thing is highly good.
[21:55]  * ScottK goes off to collect $MIDDLECHILD from school.
[21:55] <rgreening> ScottK: I'l upload to the Priv ppa as devs don't want this package out to general populous
[21:55] <rgreening> yet..
[21:55] <ScottK> OK.  Well if they don't want it public, then we've definitely made our decision for Jaunty.
[21:56] <rgreening> ScottK: as it's not a release yet... I'll talk to them more tomorrow.
[21:56] <ScottK> OK.  Lots of FOSS project have open repositories ....
[21:56] <rgreening> see if I can get a better idea of when and what I can package
[21:57] <rgreening> ScottK: it's in kdesvn, for all to see.
[21:57] <ScottK> OK, then why the private PPA?
[21:57] <rgreening> I think they just didn't want it packaged
[21:57] <ScottK> Bah.
[21:57] <rgreening> lol
[21:57]  * ScottK --> out
[21:57] <rgreening> ok, I'll upload ot my PPA so we can look at it.
[21:57] <rgreening> later
[21:59] <rgreening> Riddell / seele: I have a konversation client package built and testing.
[22:24] <Bsims> I can't get anti cashew plasmoid to build any on what -dev files I need to install if any?
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> got libplasma-dev?
[22:26] <Bsims> Hrm let me check
[22:26] <Bsims> I dodm
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> ... is that a yes or a no? :P
[22:27] <Bsims> er didn't installing now also this is a minor wierdness when i start urxvt I get a yellow cashew that says qt-subaplication
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> removing the cashew probably won't fix that
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> The cashew is the Plasma logo
[22:29] <Bsims> Hrm well that was my goal, or make it at least stop saying I got two urxvt tabs open while it does whatever its doing to try to group it
[22:30] <Bsims> I just can't figure out why opening a X11 app;icaton would add a qt-subaplication
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> smells like a bug
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> it'd probably be best to report it at bugs.kde.org
[22:31] <Bsims> JontheEchidna: Ok I'll file it, I am running lastest from the intrepid ppa
[22:31] <Bsims> JontheEchidna: you want my settings to see if you can replicate it?
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> the application was urxvt?
[22:32] <Bsims> correct urxvt -bg black -fg white -sr -geometry 1024x47 -fn "xft:inconsolata" if it matters and I get a throbber on my icon for at least 10 seconds
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> ah, a terminal emulator
[22:33]  * JontheEchidna even has inconsolata
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> it's a great font
[22:34] <Bsims> Yeah it is
[22:34] <Bsims> and if you add -e screen to it its multi tabed <g>
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> so
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> urxvt -bg black -fg white -sr -geometry 1024x47 -fn "xft:inconsolata" -e screen
[22:36] <Bsims> correct
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> and you get a urxvt task manager entry as well as a qt-subapplication entry?
[22:36]  * JontheEchidna doesn't
[22:37] <Bsims> I get a task manager entry if you mean the open box on the kicker
[22:37] <Bsims> I do have a launch icon on the panel if that makes a difference
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the button with the application name and icon on it
[22:38] <Bsims> I get that there and in the system tray a yellow cashew
[22:38]  * ScottK considers someone ought to package the anti-cashew plasmoid
[22:39]  * Bsims laughs trying to close it removes the entire panel
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, you can "remove" the panel cashew by locking the widgets
[22:40] <Bsims> Hrm I'll try that
[22:41] <Bsims> doesn't remove the yellow one in systray though
[22:41] <Bsims> Although I wonder...
[22:41] <Bsims> brb
[22:41] <Bsims> Nope didn't fix it
[22:42] <Bsims> and I got duplicate entries for urxvt until it settles down takes about 15-20 seconds
[22:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Can we kill KDE 4.1.3 out of intrepid-backports?
[22:43] <ScottK> They seem to just keep depwaiting, retrying, and failing.
[22:43] <ScottK> They're tying up buildds on slow archs, so they ought to die if possible.
[22:45]  * Bsims sighs still wonder why it wants to make a qt-subaplication icon for an X11 app like urxvt
[22:53]  * JontheEchidna stumbles upon http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/browse.py?project=openSUSE:Factory&package=kdebase4-workspace
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> the low diskspace patch looks interesting
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> they have a fix for bug 302122 too
[23:08] <Bsims> I found out why I was getting the yellow cashew in system tray on starting urxvt... you have to go into advanced and uncheck place in system tray
[23:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  In bzr for now.
[23:10] <Bsims> JontheEchidna: I found out what was making the  I found out why I was getting the yellow cashew in system tray on starting urxvt... you have to go into advanced and uncheck place in system tray
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> aaaah
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> ksystraycmd
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> that thing is busted
[23:12] <Bsims> JontheEchidna: at least I found the bug... now to make the place in system tray default to no for X11 apps <g>
[23:22] <Tonio_> hi there
[23:33] <ScottK> Hey there Tonio_.
[23:33] <Tonio_> ScottK: :)
[23:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: I saw you 'modernized' the kdenlive packaging.  Normally we don't do radical surgery on a package like that from Debian.
[23:34] <ScottK> Did you provide the changes back to Debian?
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: planing too, of course
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: the thing is, there is no technical reason that this package doesn't make use of cdbs
[23:34] <Tonio_> and debian encourages people to use it, as well as we do
[23:35] <Tonio_> if nobody does this, then it'll never be done
[23:35] <Tonio_> that's a bit rude, I know, but well... I switched k3b from debhelper to cdbs packaging, I always did that
[23:35] <Tonio_> and maintainers generally accept the changes
[23:35] <Tonio_> I hope that didn't cause any trouble this time
[23:36] <ScottK> As long as you follow up with Debian and get it sorted out, I think it's fine.  I just don't think we want to maintain the diff in the long run.
[23:36] <Tonio_> standardise the packaging as much as possible makes it easy for motus and DDs to handle any package quickly
[23:36] <Tonio_> ScottK: there is no diff btw, as this is just standard build (no patches and so on)
[23:36] <ScottK> Now that kdenlive comes from Main and not Multimedia, syncing is a reasonable goal.
[23:37] <Tonio_> so if the maintainer wants the changes : super
[23:37] <Tonio_> if he doesn't, then I'll maintain the diff.... that's my choice, and I'll handle it...
[23:37] <Tonio_> I personnaly use kdenlive, I wouldn't do any change to a package I'm not ready to maintain on the long term
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> Suse has a patch to add plasmoid-network-manager to the panel if it's installed
[23:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we should have it installed by default
[23:38] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: could be done via kiosk
[23:39] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: no reaosn not to use it even for desktops
[23:39] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I wanted to ask people and riddel opinion on that point
[23:39] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'm more concerned with powerdevil
[23:39] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: would be nice to have on laptops, but not on desktops ,and I don't know how to make that happen easilly :)
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> well, if we need plasmoid-network-manager to be in the panel by default, we don't have to do the work ourselves
[23:40] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll pobably add PNM by default on the panel in a couple of days, if nobody thinks that's a bad idea
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> just digg through a huge suse patch :P
[23:40] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: why such a big patch ?
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> because they lump all their plasma changes in a single patch
[23:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: well in our case, it'll not be optional, but part of kubuntu-desktop
[23:41] <Tonio_> it'll be installed by default, so I think we should just include it in the panel
[23:41]  * ScottK goes back to his experimenting with bacon and scallops
[23:41] <Tonio_> as we do with the systray for example
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> we'd still want to try to sanity check in the code
[23:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: please give opinion when reading this :)
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> this isn't an plasma-appletsrc patch btw
[23:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'd be curious in what the patch does
[23:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but the less patches, the less problems
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> agreed
[23:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll always favor a default config or kiosk change than patching
[23:42] <ScottK> That and trying get things building on lpia
[23:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we used to include new bugs with patching with kde3, I'd like that not to happen with kde4
[23:43] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: if you can get any info on what the patch does, please let me know :)
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> pastebinning it right now
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/113386/
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> it might have other changes in there
[23:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum oki
[23:44] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: BTW, if you grab a srcrpm, and run it through alien -tgz you get a tarball with the patches in the top level directory,
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> like that containment stuff is unrelated I think
[23:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it'll probably be optional with opensuse, so they patched for a kind of "autostart"
[23:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: our case if different
[23:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: like autostart desktop file patched VS ksmserverrc default config with kde3 :)
[23:45] <Tonio_> and imho config is far better is less problematic than patching :)
[23:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: also, people might want to get rid of plasma in the panel and get it on the workspace
[23:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: not possible with such a patch
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[23:46] <Tonio_> get rid of the applet, sorry
[23:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: so we'll probably go with KDS, the usual way :)
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> the only other plasma things they change are adding a plain desktop containment with no cashew (which is why the patch is so big) and an option to change the order of the lock/logout buttons in the lock/logout plasmoid
[23:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'm not confortable with that a big patching logic... nice to see distros trying new things, but we can't maintain such patches on the long term :)
[23:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I don't know how they can do that to be honnest... probable a lot more devs on their side :)
[23:50]  * JontheEchidna wasn't suggesting that we adopt all of suse's patches
[23:50] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I know my friend ;)
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> :)
[23:51] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: the thing is that both fedora, opensuse and kubuntu used to patch and that's a nightmare for upstream bug tryaging
[23:51] <Tonio_> triaging
[23:51] <Tonio_> that's something I took a long time to understand, browsing kde bts...
[23:51] <Tonio_> I can understand how fed up with that they can be sometimes :)
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> hmm, have you ever gotten pinotree mad at you for patching stuff?
[23:51]  * JontheEchidna has
[23:51] <Tonio_> pinotree, who's that ?
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> pino toscano
[23:52] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I got konversation's upstream, sho, caming to me, very angry, but we were able to finally discuss friendly :)
[23:52] <Tonio_> ah ! :) no he never went to me :)
[23:52] <Tonio_> but it used to happen sometimes, yes :)
[23:53] <Tonio_> that's life... and the price to pay for sometimes doing something correctly, you have to go through errors :)
[23:54] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but remember how systemsettings was criticized -> now default in KDE
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[23:54] <Tonio_> remember the kde simplification we did on kde3, along with konqueror UI tweaking (that took me weeks)
[23:54] <Tonio_> now default on kde4 too :)
[23:54] <Tonio_> that's the good part of the story, we were criticized a lot, but by the end, this was the good thing to do :)
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> actually I wasn't that involved back in the kde3 days... just a user
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> plus I used firefox :P
[23:55] <Tonio_> at some points we did great, and we had to revert lots of attemps too, since those were bad
[23:56] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: the one thing I'm happy with is that kde4.2 is impressing ALL gnome users at work
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[23:56] <Tonio_> they're all blown away :)
[23:56] <astromme> that's good to hear
[23:57] <Tonio_> I can't wait to see a real stable one correctly implemented and packaged (I hope 4.2.1 with jaunty)
[23:57] <Tonio_> and make them all switch :)
[23:57]  * Tonio_ discovered kepas today.... interesting and really usefull
[23:57]  * astromme was never able to get kepas to work
[23:57] <Tonio_> I wonder why we don't have that in main and installed by default....
[23:58] <Tonio_> very nice replacement for easy file sharing
[23:58] <astromme> Jaunty is going to be an important release. If it is solid and shows KDE at its best I predict that you will see quite a few people doing more than just "testing the waters"
[23:58] <Tonio_> astromme: yeah :)
[23:58] <Tonio_> astromme: on the other hand, it is not as stable as I'd like too
[23:59] <Tonio_> kde now needs a coupl of month of pure QA imho
[23:59] <Tonio_> astromme: but talking about the long term target
[23:59] <Tonio_> the next LTS, will probably be THE release