[00:14]  * DanaG wonders if Jaunty will have 2.6.29.
[00:14]  * gourgi don't think it will
[00:28] <Volkodav> I wonder when they will add xfce 4.6 ?
[01:06] <pwnguin> is anyone else having a problem with font kerning?
[01:26] <dyf> hello.. my sound was working earlier today and for some reason i can't play any sound.. i went to System > Preferences > Sound and it won't start.. how can i troubleshoot my sound?
[01:27] <sirhcjw> can any one give me some info about this error udevd [$A]: unable to open 'etc/udev/rules.d': No such file or directory
[01:29] <andersk> sirhcjw: bug 315780?
[01:32] <RAOF> Mmmm, sweet nvidia craziness.
[02:04] <Volkodav> does anybody have gnome remembering sessions ? mine does not
[02:08] <hggdh> Volkodav, +1
[02:08] <Volkodav> looks like a bug in gnome
[02:08] <hggdh> look at your ~/.xsession-errors
[02:11] <Volkodav> I use xfce really but I want the new 4.6
[02:14] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/377968
[02:14] <Volkodav> I do not see anything about sessions
[02:15] <subliminal> i just noticed jocky now accepting nvidia
[02:15] <subliminal> on jaunty
[02:15] <subliminal> anyone tried it yet ?
[02:21] <subliminal> i the only one silly enough to run jaunty ?
[02:24] <Volkodav> nah
[02:24] <Volkodav> all these 158 ppl most likely too
[02:24] <subliminal> cool
[02:24] <subliminal> k im wondering
[02:25] <subliminal> im pretty new to linux
[02:25] <subliminal> will jaunty kepe updating till its the same as the full release in april ?
[02:25] <subliminal> or will i have to reinstall
[02:25] <Pici> !final
[02:25] <Volkodav> things breal occasionally in alphas
[02:25] <subliminal> k
[02:26] <subliminal> latest intrepid ?
[02:26] <subliminal> yeah i install;ed aplha 3...done all the upgrades ansd updates
[02:27] <subliminal> so by the time full release come...ill already have the same os im guessing
[02:27] <subliminal> thats pretty handy
[02:51] <Volkodav> so it is  4.6 in repos already
[02:51] <Volkodav> I wonder which beta is it ?
[03:10]  * DanaG hopes somebody will at least offer a 2.6.29 PPA for Jaunty.
[03:10] <DanaG> And once the K edition comes out, I'll likely move to that.  =P
[03:12]  * DanaG is reminded of Krusty the Klown.
[04:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[04:42]  * DanaG wonders when AMD will release a new fglrx.
[04:42] <DanaG> ... for the new ABI, I mean.
[04:42] <DanaG> I'm actually not griping -- I like the open ATI far better than the open NV.
[05:39] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[05:39] <DanaG> Ooooh, glassybleu.
[06:09] <maco> any of you having trouble with wpa networks and nm-applet? knetworkmanager does fine, but i can't connect to my network in gnome
[09:09] <stefanlsd> Is anyone else having problems saving with OO3. The dialog appears but its blank and OO hangs...
[09:09] <maco> i cant even get OOo3 to start
[09:10] <maco> it just shows the splash screen then hangs
[09:37] <stefanlsd> maco: i see my problem was related to a broken libx11 and the updates fixed it
[11:40] <rainmanp7> Gdmorning Everybody :)
[12:42] <rainmanp7> Can someone look at my boot chart and tell me what is slowing it down ?
[12:46] <rainmanp7> I think it's from the slow hard drive specs because I don't have somthing set
[12:46] <rainmanp7> I need to get more then 30 Megs a second transfer on hard drive any Ideas ?
[12:52] <rainmanp7> I need to get more then 30 Megs a second transfer on hard drive any Ideas on a scuzzi ?
[12:53] <TheInfinity> rainmanp7: buy a new hard drive?
[12:53] <TheInfinity> use sata?
[12:55] <rainmanp7> nah this drive is running on a udma cable
[12:56] <rainmanp7> The infinity yes i have 2 sata drives not hooked up
[12:56]  * TheInfinity gets about 100 mb/s at his eSATA drives, but at IDE  i never got much above 30 MB/s
[12:56] <rainmanp7> TheInfinity yes i have 2 sata drives not hooked up but I'm testing on a udma drive running as a scuzzi
[12:58] <TheInfinity> you wont get much more then 30 MB/s ...
[12:59] <rainmanp7> TheInfinity Ok can you take a look at my boot thing and tell me what's slowing it down ?
[13:01] <rainmanp7> TheInfinity Um I have like 9 Hard drives jsut sitting around and 2 sata and 1 ide sitting in machine
[13:02] <TheInfinity> rainmanp7: i dont think you will get more speed out of an ide disc
[13:06] <rainmanp7> TheInfinity Maybe I can tweak the boot up ? take a look at my bootchart thing and tell me where I'm going wrong ?
[13:06] <rainmanp7> TheInfinity and maybe give some ideas
[13:07] <TheInfinity> rainmanp7: i'm not so good at getting 1 or 2 mb/s more out of a disc ;)
[13:07] <TheInfinity> i just buy a better disc or a raid if need more speed
[13:07] <TheInfinity> your drive speed is normal
[13:07] <rainmanp7> yeah I'm really thinking of RAID
[13:07] <TheInfinity> IDE is slow compared to sata
[13:10] <rainmanp7> Yeah but I know these hard drives can crank allot faster
[13:11] <rainmanp7> or something hehe
[13:13] <rainmanp7> thanx man i'm gonna try some things and will be back :)
[13:14] <TheInfinity> buy a new sata disc? :p
[13:14] <rainmanp7> I would rather have a solid state drive
[13:15] <rainmanp7> running on pure memory :)
[13:15] <TheInfinity> also sata interface ;)
[13:15] <rainmanp7> yeah like a Raid of solid ste drives would even be better
[13:15] <rainmanp7> Raid of Solid State Drives :)
[13:15] <rainmanp7> ok let me try some things I will be back :)
[13:15] <TheInfinity> rainmanp7: raid6 of usual disc is fast enaught
[13:16] <TheInfinity> i mean about 800 MB/s is difficult to handle
[14:38] <rainmanp7> Ok I got the boot time down to 22 sec from 25 by moving the renderacell to the Driver sercions in Xorg and adding the noatime,nodiratime to Fstqab as well as adding the /etc/init.d/rc CONCURRENCY=shell
[14:39] <rainmanp7> http://www.flickr.com/photos/34993488@N05/3249926921/
[14:40] <rainmanp7> Render Acell and video crap was in the screen section wich didn't work well So i moved them to the video driver section
[14:43] <rainmanp7> now i get the waiting cursor thing and things work well :)
[15:04] <Turms> is updating from intrepid to jaunty possible or should i dl the cdimage and install from it?
[15:06] <Turms> 158 zombies? :-D
[15:07] <DanaG> My boot is ~37 seconds.  Fast enough for me -- Intrepid was 45 to 60.
[15:10] <histo> Why is xchat blinkiing like someone sent me a m3essage?
[15:10] <histo> I've been idle for days
[15:30] <rainmanp7> .
[15:32] <rainmanp7> Turms I wanted the ext4 thing so i changed my partition and formated etc.. I haven't tried just installing over top the itrepid
[15:34] <rainmanp7> yeah I wanted the new kernal thing as well :)
[15:39] <Turms> rainmanp7: ok, thanks
[15:39] <rainmanp7> Turms you got any idea how to boost IO time ?
[15:41] <maco> rainmanp7: be warned that its possible for new data to not be written at all if you get a system crash with ext4
[15:41] <DanaG> If I use data=journal, it'll ensure I at least have the old data intact, right?
[15:42] <DanaG> I'd rather  have old data intact following a crash, than have new data corrupt.
[15:42] <rainmanp7> maco :) yeah I'm goona switch it to realtime and take of the nodirtime thing
[15:42] <DanaG> realtime can reduce throughput, I've heard -- realtime is all about latency.
[15:42] <maco> DanaG: old data's fine regardless. but whatever you were working on may not have even been written to the journal at all .....i think thats how the bug works
[15:43] <DanaG> Aah.  I had heard of it making files of zero size.
[15:43] <maco> right
[15:43] <maco> though i suppose if it was in the middle of modifying an old file...
[15:43] <rainmanp7> hrmmm
[15:44] <maco> not sure what would happen in that situation, but i'd keep backups just in case
[15:44] <DanaG> I do.  Weekly, at least.
[15:45] <DanaG> I keep all my critical data on my Windows partition, because I have to work with Office 2007 for collaboration and such.
[15:45] <DanaG> Random side note: HP's netbook theme:
[15:45] <rainmanp7> This is just a test hard drive anyways I'm trying to configure it to be stable with the best throughput
[15:45] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[15:45] <Turms> DanaG: dritical data on win partition? ahahahahah
[15:46] <rainmanp7> I like screen shots will be right back
[15:47] <Turms> ok i've started the upgrade to jaunty, afterwards i'll clone the partition to an ext4 one
[15:48] <maco> DanaG: pretty
[15:48]  * DanaG has to leave now.  Will be back later.
[15:49] <DanaG> Anyway, to get that theme, you have to add the hardy-hpmini repos (deb-src only!) and then apt-get source the relevant packages.
[15:54] <rainmanp7> Ok found something out lol :)
[15:55] <rainmanp7> It was about the the concurren't shell command and moving the drivers for xorg out of the screen section and moving them into the Video driver secction and I'm still at 22secs with turning off the noaitime and the other stuff
[15:59] <rainmanp7> The realtime switch did the trick :)
[16:00] <rainmanp7>  Timing cached reads:   1944 MB in  2.00 seconds = 971.96 MB/sec
[16:00] <rainmanp7>  Timing buffered disk reads:   94 MB in  3.01 seconds =  31.28 MB/sec
[16:00] <rainmanp7> My cache reads jumped by 100 and the buff by 1
[16:01] <rainmanp7> so this is what it looks like now
[16:01] <rainmanp7> ext4    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:03] <rainmanp7> Actually 150
[16:06] <rainmanp7> I was doing 800-821 MB/sec before
[16:09] <danbhfive> !schedule
[16:11] <BUGabundo> I'm looking for Luke Yelavich aka themuso !
[16:15] <BUGabundo> can I get you guys opinion on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/322374/comments/33 ?
[16:21] <maco> BUGabundo: what about it?
[16:21] <BUGabundo> maco: just wanted to know if I should remove the .desktop or not
[16:21] <maco> could put a sleep 5 before it
[16:22] <tgpraveen> so since only 2 days are left for alpha 4 I wanted to ask what new things are coming?
[16:22] <maco> the trouble is pulse tries to initialize while the login sounds are still playing
[16:22] <maco> force it to wait a few seconds, and it should be fine
[16:23] <BUGabundo> I don't have trouble now with the update
[16:23] <BUGabundo> other then I can barely listen to anything
[16:23] <BUGabundo> volume is REALLY low maco
[16:27] <rainmanp7> Ok the hdparm when trying to set DMA or 32 bit transfer on is giving me a Error is there a way around this ?
[16:28] <rainmanp7> I'm really trying to figue out how to turn udma on
[16:30] <BUGabundo> rainmanp7: is it properly connected?
[16:31] <rainmanp7> BUGabundo yeah with it's own cable right to the motherboard nothing else connected to it
[16:31] <rainmanp7> BUGabundo hang on let me take of the cover jsut to make sure ok
[16:32] <BUGabundo> rainmanp7: PATA or SATA»
[16:32] <BUGabundo> ?
[16:32] <rainmanp7> BUGabundo yes one cable nothing on it except 1 hard drive
[16:32] <rainmanp7> WD400 normal IDE drive
[16:32] <BUGabundo> rainmanp7: PATA or SATA?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> from "normal" I'm guessing its PATA
[16:33] <rainmanp7> yes
[16:33] <rainmanp7> big fat cable hehe
[16:33] <BUGabundo> make sure that all pins are fine... sometimes one or two get broken
[16:33] <rainmanp7> O rather the Big flat fat cabble
[16:33] <BUGabundo> that's the main reason for it to not work as DMA
[16:34] <rainmanp7> i got this from some other drives as well with ibex and changed the um cables as well
[16:34] <rainmanp7> hang on let me get the error up k
[16:34] <maco> BUGabundo: did you check in both alsamixer and in the new volume applet?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> yes maco! all at 100%
[16:35] <maco> file a bug against the linux package (default place to file for sound bugs) with your alsa-info.sh output then
[16:36] <BUGabundo> humm the next fix for PA race condition didn't fix everything
[16:36] <BUGabundo> the PulseAudio Manager can't connect
[16:36] <maco> hm?
[16:36] <BUGabundo> let me see if killing PA and restart it fixs the prob
[16:36] <maco> there are multiple race conditions around PA
[16:37] <rainmanp7> BUGabundo ok trying to set the mode gives me this  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(setxfermode) failed: Input/output error
[16:37] <BUGabundo> nope :|
[16:39] <rainmanp7> BUGabundo but the real nasty one i don't like is using hdparm to set dma or uda or PIO on and i Get Inappropriate ioctl for device
[16:40] <rainmanp7> I have been fighting with this for weeks by myself -> Inappropriate ioctl for device
[16:41] <rainmanp7> I even have the bios set to allow 32 bit transfer
[16:42] <BUGabundo> I'm out of ideas
[16:42] <BUGabundo> maybe it's the board
[16:42] <Trewas> rainmanp7: I don't think you can disable dma with libata drivers, which are used when PATA drive shows up as /dev/sd* instead of /dev/hd*
[16:43] <rainmanp7> I want to Enable the Udma  and flip the swtich to 1 instead of running 16 bit transfer mode
[16:46] <Trewas> rainmanp7: libata should always use the fastest possible settings by default, so there is no need to set DMA on
[16:46] <rainmanp7> Is there a way to do a command in terminal to see what Libata is using currently ?
[16:47] <rainmanp7> or look at a file to see where the hard drive settings it's using are at ?
[16:48] <Trewas> hdparm -i /dev/sdx
[16:50] <rainmanp7> -c1 enables 32-bit I/O and the -X69 should give me the 100mb a sec
[16:56] <rainmanp7> yeah it's using the ATA instead of the PATA
[16:56] <rainmanp7> Not sure how to switch that ?
[17:01] <mahfiaz> can the scrollability be added to pulseaudio system tray icon? is it worth writing a report?
[17:06] <rainmanp7> Thank you for the help and time
[17:07] <maco> mahfiaz: yes, id file a bug on that. its a functionality regression if scrolling doesnt work there but did on the old one
[17:08] <mahfiaz> maco, it quite isn't, the old panel applet is still available
[17:09] <mahfiaz> but as it will likely be replaced, then yes
[17:09] <maco> i believe replacing it is the intention
[17:09] <maco> not sure why theyd keep 2 around...
[17:09] <maco> could ask in #ubuntu-desktop\
[17:11] <rainmanp7> Ok I found only one thing that got me closer
[17:15] <rainmanp7> the file /etc/scsi_id.config and setting the options=-g got me a better transfer rate
[17:15] <rainmanp7>  Timing cached reads:   1958 MB in  2.00 seconds = 978.89 MB/sec
[17:15] <rainmanp7>  Timing buffered disk reads:   94 MB in  3.01 seconds =  31.28 MB/sec
[17:16] <rainmanp7> I found that option on http://hi.baidu.com/wa0362/blog/item/7ea02319a4f7044242a9ad55.html
[17:17] <dust> http://pastebin.ca/1326362
[17:17] <dust> anyone help with this
[17:18] <TheInfinity> dust: looks like dependency problem in packages.
[17:18] <dust> how to fix it?
[17:18] <TheInfinity> wait for new packages? *g*
[17:18] <TheInfinity> write a bug report?
[17:18] <dust> ok..
[17:19] <dust> ok same with isntalling mplayer
[17:20] <TheInfinity> the usual dependency hell in alpha releases ;)
[17:25] <dust> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[17:25] <dust> well have to wait then :D
[17:47] <rainmanp7> yeah that new configuration got me to a 21 sec boot time as well :)
[17:52] <rainmanp7> http://www.flickr.com/photos/34993488@N05/3250352453/
[17:58] <rainmanp7> going to store will be back later :)
[18:02] <biouser> pavucontrol Connection failed: Connection terminated
[18:03] <biouser> I can no longer voodoo firefox to have sound though ardour->jack works properly as ardour effectively disables PA and starts jack.  No luck with firefox sound now though...
[18:04] <biouser> after the update ... I have 2 volume icons on my panel now
[18:05] <biouser> I have input and output which when I mouse-over say 100% and HDA VIA VT82xx = ALC861 Analog
[18:05] <biouser> and another PCM: 100%
[18:59] <JediMaster> hey guys, what's the "official" way to do NAT routing on jaunty?
[19:00] <JediMaster> I've got two network interfaces, defined in /etc/network/interfaces, got dhcp setup and working on the internal network, just need to setup the NAT
[19:46] <KDesk> Is true that Jaunty will include kernel 2.6.29?
[19:46] <tgpraveen> KDesk: no confirmation but mostly
[19:46] <tgpraveen> yeah
[19:47] <KDesk> tgpraveen: will be interesting if that happend :)
[19:48] <tgpraveen> yeah it is always gr8 to have the latest stuff more drivers,suspend resume,faster boots
[19:49] <KDesk> tgpraveen: ah, I have seen a benchmark where jaunty boot very fast, what are the devs doing to get so fast times?
[19:50] <maco> KDesk: more stuff's being built directly into the kernel
[19:50] <maco> the setup and teardown time per module is HUGE
[19:50] <tgpraveen> yeah + code optimization
[19:51] <maco> dtchen told me the setup/teardown per module is..i think he said 0.5 seconds each
[19:51] <maco> got 30 modules to load, thats 15 seconds of your boot right there
[19:51] <maco> apple speeds it up by having one GIANT module per model of machne
[19:52] <KDesk> maco: ah, interesting, so having a kernel with all the stuff needed inside it will make a faster boot?
[19:52] <maco> yes
[19:53] <KDesk> That is the advantage of the apple, they do there OS for there hardware.
[19:53] <maco> i think the downside is that then youve got a bigger memory footprint for the kernel
[19:53] <maco> i mean, if everything was built-in instead of module
[19:54] <maco> because then drivers you dont need would still take up memory
[19:54] <KDesk> maco: and how many ~MB are thatwith jaunty vs intrepid?
[19:54] <maco> i dont onw
[19:54] <maco> *know
[19:54] <maco> i *think* theyre starting conservatively...just putting the "pretty much everyone needs them anyway" modules as built-in
[19:55] <KDesk> yes, that is a good idea. Also more and more the ram is cheaper.
[19:55] <maco> if i remember this conversation correctly (and its been a month and a half so maybe not), i think dtchen named 5 or 6 sound modules that could do that, but he said depending on the system there's an additional 5-7 more per system
[19:55] <Amaranth> maco: The idea is things you _need_ are built-in, things you might someday use are modules
[19:55] <maco> Amaranth: right
[19:55] <Amaranth> maco: For most systems the things you _need_ have a lot in common
[19:56] <KDesk> I have DDR, so that is not my luck..
[19:56] <maco> but a lot of those were done as modules up til now
[19:56] <Amaranth> maco: Right, thus the change
[19:56] <Amaranth> If you build enough stuff in you don't even need an initramfs :)
[19:57] <KDesk> what is that? the initramfs?
[19:57] <maco> initial ram filesystem
[19:57] <KDesk> I didn't understand very well, to search for a module needed and load it, it takes 1/2 seconds? Or which part of the process?
[19:58] <maco> Amaranth you gotta explain initramfs. i dont understand well enough
[19:58] <KDesk> maco: ah, before mounting a "/" FS?
[19:58] <maco> KDesk: yes
[19:58] <maco> its a pivot mount...to switch from initramfs to the / fs
[19:59] <maco> i think thats what its called
[19:59] <maco> im fuzzy on such things...had them explained quickly a couple months ago
[19:59] <KDesk> Will a /boot partition make any gain in speed?
[19:59]  * Amaranth doesn't really know it very detailed either
[19:59] <Amaranth> KDesk: Only if you regularly fragment your /
[19:59] <maco> KDesk: dont believe so
[20:00] <maco> initramfs has all the stuff you need to boot and to mount /
[20:00] <maco>  /boot isnt a performance thing
[20:02] <KDesk> I have a /boot, but I don'n know why... Only because If the kernel where in a last point in the HD it would be slower to read that in the begginign. That was what I have thought.
[20:02] <maco> maybe
[20:03] <Amaranth> iirc the middle is the fastest
[20:03] <maco> middle meaning center physically?
[20:03] <maco> that's the beginning of the disk, i believe
[20:03] <KDesk> I belive that too
[20:04] <maco> i put my swap there
[20:04] <maco> if ive gotta swap, i want it to be fast
[20:04] <KDesk> Because it is a circle. But with the new SSD it won't be a proble, and I won't do a /boot any more.
[20:04] <maco> even if swap is by definition slow
[20:05] <KDesk> I have a 128MB /boot, then a swap, then the "/"
[20:05] <Raffaele> siete inglesi o italiani?
[20:05] <Pici> !it | Raffaele
[20:05] <Amaranth> KDesk: my /boot is 14M
[20:05] <KDesk> I have seen some benchmarks with ext4, it was faster than xfs or reiser3 in some tasks
[20:07] <KDesk> ah my /boot is 251MB hehe. Just in case...
[20:58] <Peddy> In Intrepid, suspend worked, but in Intrepid, with the same nvidia driver as before (173), when I press suspend or do pm-suspend, nothing happens. Is this known, and is there a workaround?
[21:02] <maco> Peddy: in intrepid it works but it doesnt?
[21:03] <Peddy> maco, I mean, in Intrepid it worked, in Jaunty it doesn't.
[21:08] <maco> Peddy: oh ok. well im not a nvidia user, so i cant reproduce that.
[21:08] <Peddy> ok
[21:08] <maco> suspend does work for me on my inteldrivers. kernel panic on hibernate thogh :(
[21:09]  * Amaranth is afraid to try to suspend
[21:09] <Amaranth> ext4 and all
[21:12] <maco> oh yeah. sounds like a bad idea
[21:13] <pwnguin> that's what backups are for ;)
[21:18] <RAOF> Amaranth: Oh?  Are there extra-special ext4 + suspend bugs?
[21:18] <Amaranth> RAOF: no, just "ext4 data loss" bugs
[21:19] <Amaranth> pwnguin: backups of /home don't help my /etc/apt/sources.list being zeroed out
[21:19] <Amaranth> or whatever file
[21:19] <Amaranth> /usr/bin/less
[21:20] <RAOF> Ah, yes. The old 'possibly truncate files on unclean unmount' fun.
[22:24] <x1250> !daily
[23:23] <DanaG> Anyone know how to get my Ricoh R5C438 (I think it was) card reader to work in Ubuntu?
[23:24] <DanaG> er
[23:24] <DanaG> r5c843
[23:30] <Veinor> so what's new in jaunty?
[23:31] <mikegriffin> the packages
[23:31] <Veinor> ?
[23:35] <DanaG> Anyone know how to get my Ricoh R5C843 (I think it was) card reader to work in Ubuntu?  I'm on Jaunty, of course.
[23:43] <genii> DanaG: Did it work in 8.04 or 8.10 ?
[23:46] <DanaG> I'm not sure.  I'll try the liveCD of one of those later today.
[23:46] <DanaG> It's an SDHC card, by the way.  Works in Vista, and even gives me the "boot from SD Card" option my laptop offers.
[23:46] <DanaG> I also have a Ricoh Bay8Controller (SmartCard Reader) that's a hardwired cardbus card, oddly enough.
[23:58] <DanaG> er, 832, not 834.