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* DanaG wonders if Jaunty will have 2.6.29.00:14
* gourgi don't think it will00:14
VolkodavI wonder when they will add xfce 4.6 ?00:28
pwnguinis anyone else having a problem with font kerning?01:06
dyfhello.. my sound was working earlier today and for some reason i can't play any sound.. i went to System > Preferences > Sound and it won't start.. how can i troubleshoot my sound?01:26
sirhcjwcan any one give me some info about this error udevd [$A]: unable to open 'etc/udev/rules.d': No such file or directory01:27
andersksirhcjw: bug 315780?01:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315780 in udev "/etc/udev/rules.d not a directory on boot" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31578001:29
RAOFMmmm, sweet nvidia craziness.01:32
Volkodavdoes anybody have gnome remembering sessions ? mine does not02:04
hggdhVolkodav, +102:08
Volkodavlooks like a bug in gnome02:08
hggdhlook at your ~/.xsession-errors02:08
VolkodavI use xfce really but I want the new 4.602:11
Volkodavhttp://pastie.org/37796802:14
VolkodavI do not see anything about sessions02:14
subliminali just noticed jocky now accepting nvidia02:15
subliminalon jaunty02:15
subliminalanyone tried it yet ?02:15
subliminali the only one silly enough to run jaunty ?02:21
Volkodavnah02:24
Volkodavall these 158 ppl most likely too02:24
subliminalcool02:24
subliminalk im wondering02:24
subliminalim pretty new to linux02:25
subliminalwill jaunty kepe updating till its the same as the full release in april ?02:25
subliminalor will i have to reinstall02:25
Pici!final02:25
ubottuIf you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Intrepid. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.02:25
Volkodavthings breal occasionally in alphas02:25
subliminalk02:25
subliminallatest intrepid ?02:26
subliminalyeah i install;ed aplha 3...done all the upgrades ansd updates02:26
subliminalso by the time full release come...ill already have the same os im guessing02:27
subliminalthats pretty handy02:27
Volkodavso it is  4.6 in repos already02:51
VolkodavI wonder which beta is it ?02:51
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* DanaG hopes somebody will at least offer a 2.6.29 PPA for Jaunty.03:10
DanaGAnd once the K edition comes out, I'll likely move to that.  =P03:10
* DanaG is reminded of Krusty the Klown.03:12
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DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/28431904:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New]04:02
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* DanaG wonders when AMD will release a new fglrx.04:42
DanaG... for the new ABI, I mean.04:42
DanaGI'm actually not griping -- I like the open ATI far better than the open NV.04:42
DanaGhttp://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png05:39
DanaGOoooh, glassybleu.05:39
macoany of you having trouble with wpa networks and nm-applet? knetworkmanager does fine, but i can't connect to my network in gnome06:09
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stefanlsdIs anyone else having problems saving with OO3. The dialog appears but its blank and OO hangs...09:09
macoi cant even get OOo3 to start09:09
macoit just shows the splash screen then hangs09:10
stefanlsdmaco: i see my problem was related to a broken libx11 and the updates fixed it09:37
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rainmanp7Gdmorning Everybody :)11:40
rainmanp7Can someone look at my boot chart and tell me what is slowing it down ?12:42
rainmanp7I think it's from the slow hard drive specs because I don't have somthing set12:46
rainmanp7I need to get more then 30 Megs a second transfer on hard drive any Ideas ?12:46
rainmanp7I need to get more then 30 Megs a second transfer on hard drive any Ideas on a scuzzi ?12:52
TheInfinityrainmanp7: buy a new hard drive?12:53
TheInfinityuse sata?12:53
rainmanp7nah this drive is running on a udma cable12:55
rainmanp7The infinity yes i have 2 sata drives not hooked up12:56
* TheInfinity gets about 100 mb/s at his eSATA drives, but at IDE i never got much above 30 MB/s12:56
rainmanp7TheInfinity yes i have 2 sata drives not hooked up but I'm testing on a udma drive running as a scuzzi12:56
TheInfinityyou wont get much more then 30 MB/s ...12:58
rainmanp7TheInfinity Ok can you take a look at my boot thing and tell me what's slowing it down ?12:59
rainmanp7TheInfinity Um I have like 9 Hard drives jsut sitting around and 2 sata and 1 ide sitting in machine13:01
TheInfinityrainmanp7: i dont think you will get more speed out of an ide disc13:02
rainmanp7TheInfinity Maybe I can tweak the boot up ? take a look at my bootchart thing and tell me where I'm going wrong ?13:06
rainmanp7TheInfinity and maybe give some ideas13:06
TheInfinityrainmanp7: i'm not so good at getting 1 or 2 mb/s more out of a disc ;)13:07
TheInfinityi just buy a better disc or a raid if need more speed13:07
TheInfinityyour drive speed is normal13:07
rainmanp7yeah I'm really thinking of RAID13:07
TheInfinityIDE is slow compared to sata13:07
rainmanp7Yeah but I know these hard drives can crank allot faster13:10
rainmanp7or something hehe13:11
rainmanp7thanx man i'm gonna try some things and will be back :)13:13
TheInfinitybuy a new sata disc? :p13:14
rainmanp7I would rather have a solid state drive13:14
rainmanp7running on pure memory :)13:15
TheInfinityalso sata interface ;)13:15
rainmanp7yeah like a Raid of solid ste drives would even be better13:15
rainmanp7Raid of Solid State Drives :)13:15
rainmanp7ok let me try some things I will be back :)13:15
TheInfinityrainmanp7: raid6 of usual disc is fast enaught13:15
TheInfinityi mean about 800 MB/s is difficult to handle13:16
rainmanp7Ok I got the boot time down to 22 sec from 25 by moving the renderacell to the Driver sercions in Xorg and adding the noatime,nodiratime to Fstqab as well as adding the /etc/init.d/rc CONCURRENCY=shell14:38
rainmanp7http://www.flickr.com/photos/34993488@N05/3249926921/14:39
rainmanp7Render Acell and video crap was in the screen section wich didn't work well So i moved them to the video driver section14:40
rainmanp7now i get the waiting cursor thing and things work well :)14:43
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Turmsis updating from intrepid to jaunty possible or should i dl the cdimage and install from it?15:04
Turms158 zombies? :-D15:06
DanaGMy boot is ~37 seconds.  Fast enough for me -- Intrepid was 45 to 60.15:07
histoWhy is xchat blinkiing like someone sent me a m3essage?15:10
histoI've been idle for days15:10
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rainmanp7.15:30
rainmanp7Turms I wanted the ext4 thing so i changed my partition and formated etc.. I haven't tried just installing over top the itrepid15:32
rainmanp7yeah I wanted the new kernal thing as well :)15:34
Turmsrainmanp7: ok, thanks15:39
rainmanp7Turms you got any idea how to boost IO time ?15:39
macorainmanp7: be warned that its possible for new data to not be written at all if you get a system crash with ext415:41
DanaGIf I use data=journal, it'll ensure I at least have the old data intact, right?15:41
DanaGI'd rather  have old data intact following a crash, than have new data corrupt.15:42
rainmanp7maco :) yeah I'm goona switch it to realtime and take of the nodirtime thing15:42
DanaGrealtime can reduce throughput, I've heard -- realtime is all about latency.15:42
macoDanaG: old data's fine regardless. but whatever you were working on may not have even been written to the journal at all .....i think thats how the bug works15:42
DanaGAah.  I had heard of it making files of zero size.15:43
macoright15:43
macothough i suppose if it was in the middle of modifying an old file...15:43
rainmanp7hrmmm15:43
maconot sure what would happen in that situation, but i'd keep backups just in case15:44
DanaGI do.  Weekly, at least.15:44
DanaGI keep all my critical data on my Windows partition, because I have to work with Office 2007 for collaboration and such.15:45
DanaGRandom side note: HP's netbook theme:15:45
rainmanp7This is just a test hard drive anyways I'm trying to configure it to be stable with the best throughput15:45
DanaGhttp://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png15:45
TurmsDanaG: dritical data on win partition? ahahahahah15:45
rainmanp7I like screen shots will be right back15:46
Turmsok i've started the upgrade to jaunty, afterwards i'll clone the partition to an ext4 one15:47
macoDanaG: pretty15:48
* DanaG has to leave now. Will be back later.15:48
DanaGAnyway, to get that theme, you have to add the hardy-hpmini repos (deb-src only!) and then apt-get source the relevant packages.15:49
rainmanp7Ok found something out lol :)15:54
rainmanp7It was about the the concurren't shell command and moving the drivers for xorg out of the screen section and moving them into the Video driver secction and I'm still at 22secs with turning off the noaitime and the other stuff15:55
rainmanp7The realtime switch did the trick :)15:59
rainmanp7 Timing cached reads:   1944 MB in  2.00 seconds = 971.96 MB/sec16:00
rainmanp7 Timing buffered disk reads:   94 MB in  3.01 seconds =  31.28 MB/sec16:00
rainmanp7My cache reads jumped by 100 and the buff by 116:00
rainmanp7so this is what it looks like now16:01
rainmanp7ext4    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       116:01
rainmanp7Actually 15016:03
rainmanp7I was doing 800-821 MB/sec before16:06
danbhfive!schedule16:09
ubottuA schedule of Jaunty Jackelope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule16:09
BUGabundoI'm looking for Luke Yelavich aka themuso !16:11
BUGabundocan I get you guys opinion on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/322374/comments/33 ?16:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 322374 in pulseaudio "[jaunty regression] Pulse Audio finds no card for output" [High,Fix released]16:15
macoBUGabundo: what about it?16:21
BUGabundomaco: just wanted to know if I should remove the .desktop or not16:21
macocould put a sleep 5 before it16:21
tgpraveenso since only 2 days are left for alpha 4 I wanted to ask what new things are coming?16:22
macothe trouble is pulse tries to initialize while the login sounds are still playing16:22
macoforce it to wait a few seconds, and it should be fine16:22
BUGabundoI don't have trouble now with the update16:23
BUGabundoother then I can barely listen to anything16:23
BUGabundovolume is REALLY low maco16:23
rainmanp7Ok the hdparm when trying to set DMA or 32 bit transfer on is giving me a Error is there a way around this ?16:27
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rainmanp7I'm really trying to figue out how to turn udma on16:28
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BUGabundorainmanp7: is it properly connected?16:30
rainmanp7BUGabundo yeah with it's own cable right to the motherboard nothing else connected to it16:31
rainmanp7BUGabundo hang on let me take of the cover jsut to make sure ok16:31
BUGabundorainmanp7: PATA or SATA»16:32
BUGabundo?16:32
rainmanp7BUGabundo yes one cable nothing on it except 1 hard drive16:32
rainmanp7WD400 normal IDE drive16:32
BUGabundorainmanp7: PATA or SATA?16:32
BUGabundofrom "normal" I'm guessing its PATA16:33
rainmanp7yes16:33
rainmanp7big fat cable hehe16:33
BUGabundomake sure that all pins are fine... sometimes one or two get broken16:33
rainmanp7O rather the Big flat fat cabble16:33
BUGabundothat's the main reason for it to not work as DMA16:33
rainmanp7i got this from some other drives as well with ibex and changed the um cables as well16:34
rainmanp7hang on let me get the error up k16:34
macoBUGabundo: did you check in both alsamixer and in the new volume applet?16:34
BUGabundoyes maco! all at 100%16:35
macofile a bug against the linux package (default place to file for sound bugs) with your alsa-info.sh output then16:35
BUGabundohumm the next fix for PA race condition didn't fix everything16:36
BUGabundothe PulseAudio Manager can't connect16:36
macohm?16:36
BUGabundolet me see if killing PA and restart it fixs the prob16:36
macothere are multiple race conditions around PA16:36
rainmanp7BUGabundo ok trying to set the mode gives me this  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(setxfermode) failed: Input/output error16:37
BUGabundonope :|16:37
rainmanp7BUGabundo but the real nasty one i don't like is using hdparm to set dma or uda or PIO on and i Get Inappropriate ioctl for device16:39
rainmanp7I have been fighting with this for weeks by myself -> Inappropriate ioctl for device16:40
rainmanp7I even have the bios set to allow 32 bit transfer16:41
BUGabundoI'm out of ideas16:42
BUGabundomaybe it's the board16:42
Trewasrainmanp7: I don't think you can disable dma with libata drivers, which are used when PATA drive shows up as /dev/sd* instead of /dev/hd*16:42
rainmanp7I want to Enable the Udma  and flip the swtich to 1 instead of running 16 bit transfer mode16:43
Trewasrainmanp7: libata should always use the fastest possible settings by default, so there is no need to set DMA on16:46
rainmanp7Is there a way to do a command in terminal to see what Libata is using currently ?16:46
rainmanp7or look at a file to see where the hard drive settings it's using are at ?16:47
Trewashdparm -i /dev/sdx16:48
rainmanp7-c1 enables 32-bit I/O and the -X69 should give me the 100mb a sec16:50
rainmanp7yeah it's using the ATA instead of the PATA16:56
rainmanp7Not sure how to switch that ?16:56
mahfiazcan the scrollability be added to pulseaudio system tray icon? is it worth writing a report?17:01
rainmanp7Thank you for the help and time17:06
macomahfiaz: yes, id file a bug on that. its a functionality regression if scrolling doesnt work there but did on the old one17:07
mahfiazmaco, it quite isn't, the old panel applet is still available17:08
mahfiazbut as it will likely be replaced, then yes17:09
macoi believe replacing it is the intention17:09
maconot sure why theyd keep 2 around...17:09
macocould ask in #ubuntu-desktop\17:09
rainmanp7Ok I found only one thing that got me closer17:11
rainmanp7the file /etc/scsi_id.config and setting the options=-g got me a better transfer rate17:15
rainmanp7 Timing cached reads:   1958 MB in  2.00 seconds = 978.89 MB/sec17:15
rainmanp7 Timing buffered disk reads:   94 MB in  3.01 seconds =  31.28 MB/sec17:15
rainmanp7I found that option on http://hi.baidu.com/wa0362/blog/item/7ea02319a4f7044242a9ad55.html17:16
dusthttp://pastebin.ca/132636217:17
dustanyone help with this17:17
TheInfinitydust: looks like dependency problem in packages.17:18
dusthow to fix it?17:18
TheInfinitywait for new packages? *g*17:18
TheInfinitywrite a bug report?17:18
dustok..17:18
dustok same with isntalling mplayer17:19
TheInfinitythe usual dependency hell in alpha releases ;)17:20
dusthmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm17:25
dustwell have to wait then :D17:25
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rainmanp7yeah that new configuration got me to a 21 sec boot time as well :)17:47
rainmanp7http://www.flickr.com/photos/34993488@N05/3250352453/17:52
rainmanp7going to store will be back later :)17:58
biouserpavucontrol Connection failed: Connection terminated18:02
biouserI can no longer voodoo firefox to have sound though ardour->jack works properly as ardour effectively disables PA and starts jack.  No luck with firefox sound now though...18:03
biouserafter the update ... I have 2 volume icons on my panel now18:04
biouserI have input and output which when I mouse-over say 100% and HDA VIA VT82xx = ALC861 Analog18:05
biouserand another PCM: 100%18:05
JediMasterhey guys, what's the "official" way to do NAT routing on jaunty?18:59
JediMasterI've got two network interfaces, defined in /etc/network/interfaces, got dhcp setup and working on the internal network, just need to setup the NAT19:00
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KDeskIs true that Jaunty will include kernel 2.6.29?19:46
tgpraveenKDesk: no confirmation but mostly19:46
tgpraveenyeah19:46
KDesktgpraveen: will be interesting if that happend :)19:47
tgpraveenyeah it is always gr8 to have the latest stuff more drivers,suspend resume,faster boots19:48
KDesktgpraveen: ah, I have seen a benchmark where jaunty boot very fast, what are the devs doing to get so fast times?19:49
macoKDesk: more stuff's being built directly into the kernel19:50
macothe setup and teardown time per module is HUGE19:50
tgpraveenyeah + code optimization19:50
macodtchen told me the setup/teardown per module is..i think he said 0.5 seconds each19:51
macogot 30 modules to load, thats 15 seconds of your boot right there19:51
macoapple speeds it up by having one GIANT module per model of machne19:51
KDeskmaco: ah, interesting, so having a kernel with all the stuff needed inside it will make a faster boot?19:52
macoyes19:52
KDeskThat is the advantage of the apple, they do there OS for there hardware.19:53
macoi think the downside is that then youve got a bigger memory footprint for the kernel19:53
macoi mean, if everything was built-in instead of module19:53
macobecause then drivers you dont need would still take up memory19:54
KDeskmaco: and how many ~MB are thatwith jaunty vs intrepid?19:54
macoi dont onw19:54
maco*know19:54
macoi *think* theyre starting conservatively...just putting the "pretty much everyone needs them anyway" modules as built-in19:54
KDeskyes, that is a good idea. Also more and more the ram is cheaper.19:55
macoif i remember this conversation correctly (and its been a month and a half so maybe not), i think dtchen named 5 or 6 sound modules that could do that, but he said depending on the system there's an additional 5-7 more per system19:55
Amaranthmaco: The idea is things you _need_ are built-in, things you might someday use are modules19:55
macoAmaranth: right19:55
Amaranthmaco: For most systems the things you _need_ have a lot in common19:55
KDeskI have DDR, so that is not my luck..19:56
macobut a lot of those were done as modules up til now19:56
Amaranthmaco: Right, thus the change19:56
AmaranthIf you build enough stuff in you don't even need an initramfs :)19:56
KDeskwhat is that? the initramfs?19:57
macoinitial ram filesystem19:57
KDeskI didn't understand very well, to search for a module needed and load it, it takes 1/2 seconds? Or which part of the process?19:57
macoAmaranth you gotta explain initramfs. i dont understand well enough19:58
KDeskmaco: ah, before mounting a "/" FS?19:58
macoKDesk: yes19:58
macoits a pivot mount...to switch from initramfs to the / fs19:58
macoi think thats what its called19:59
macoim fuzzy on such things...had them explained quickly a couple months ago19:59
KDeskWill a /boot partition make any gain in speed?19:59
* Amaranth doesn't really know it very detailed either19:59
AmaranthKDesk: Only if you regularly fragment your /19:59
macoKDesk: dont believe so19:59
macoinitramfs has all the stuff you need to boot and to mount /20:00
maco /boot isnt a performance thing20:00
KDeskI have a /boot, but I don'n know why... Only because If the kernel where in a last point in the HD it would be slower to read that in the begginign. That was what I have thought.20:02
macomaybe20:02
Amaranthiirc the middle is the fastest20:03
macomiddle meaning center physically?20:03
macothat's the beginning of the disk, i believe20:03
KDeskI belive that too20:03
macoi put my swap there20:04
macoif ive gotta swap, i want it to be fast20:04
KDeskBecause it is a circle. But with the new SSD it won't be a proble, and I won't do a /boot any more.20:04
macoeven if swap is by definition slow20:04
KDeskI have a 128MB /boot, then a swap, then the "/"20:05
Raffaelesiete inglesi o italiani?20:05
Pici!it | Raffaele20:05
AmaranthKDesk: my /boot is 14M20:05
ubottuRaffaele: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare)20:05
KDeskI have seen some benchmarks with ext4, it was faster than xfs or reiser3 in some tasks20:05
KDeskah my /boot is 251MB hehe. Just in case...20:07
PeddyIn Intrepid, suspend worked, but in Intrepid, with the same nvidia driver as before (173), when I press suspend or do pm-suspend, nothing happens. Is this known, and is there a workaround?20:58
macoPeddy: in intrepid it works but it doesnt?21:02
Peddymaco, I mean, in Intrepid it worked, in Jaunty it doesn't.21:03
macoPeddy: oh ok. well im not a nvidia user, so i cant reproduce that.21:08
Peddyok21:08
macosuspend does work for me on my inteldrivers. kernel panic on hibernate thogh :(21:08
* Amaranth is afraid to try to suspend21:09
Amaranthext4 and all21:09
macooh yeah. sounds like a bad idea21:12
pwnguinthat's what backups are for ;)21:13
RAOFAmaranth: Oh?  Are there extra-special ext4 + suspend bugs?21:18
AmaranthRAOF: no, just "ext4 data loss" bugs21:18
Amaranthpwnguin: backups of /home don't help my /etc/apt/sources.list being zeroed out21:19
Amaranthor whatever file21:19
Amaranth/usr/bin/less21:19
RAOFAh, yes. The old 'possibly truncate files on unclean unmount' fun.21:20
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x1250!daily22:24
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/22:24
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DanaGAnyone know how to get my Ricoh R5C438 (I think it was) card reader to work in Ubuntu?23:23
DanaGer23:24
DanaGr5c84323:24
Veinorso what's new in jaunty?23:30
mikegriffinthe packages23:31
Veinor?23:31
DanaGAnyone know how to get my Ricoh R5C843 (I think it was) card reader to work in Ubuntu?  I'm on Jaunty, of course.23:35
geniiDanaG: Did it work in 8.04 or 8.10 ?23:43
DanaGI'm not sure.  I'll try the liveCD of one of those later today.23:46
DanaGIt's an SDHC card, by the way.  Works in Vista, and even gives me the "boot from SD Card" option my laptop offers.23:46
DanaGI also have a Ricoh Bay8Controller (SmartCard Reader) that's a hardwired cardbus card, oddly enough.23:46
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DanaGer, 832, not 834.23:58

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