[08:16] <asac> fta: 20:18 < toddw> asac: are you looking at this for a linux distribution?
[08:16] <asac> 20:19 < toddw> asac: Komodo's quite tied to a standalone Mozilla runtime, as this Mozilla code is  somewhat modified to suit Komodo's needs
[08:16] <asac> 20:20 < toddw> asac: the siloedPython could just as easily use a system python, provided the  version is correct
[08:16] <asac> 20:21 < toddw> asac: as Komodo requires Python 2.6
[08:26] <asac> mconnor: what do you mean by "lack of callback" exactly?
[08:28] <mconnor> asac: I'm going to bed (3:30 AM, and I went out)
[08:28] <mconnor> asac: but, basically, there's no action on click, aiui
[08:28] <asac> mconnor: ok. sleep well
[08:29] <mconnor> asac: we should sync up tomorrow, but I think this is worse thank our system :-/
[08:46] <asac> mconnor: our usability folks say that when notifications need actions there is something wrong ... but platform wise we could probably extend the the impl to provide a callback
[08:48] <asac> mconnor: you probably already read http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 ... if you disagree with that I would appreciate and input, so I can carry that forward
[08:49] <asac> mconnor: firefox seems to use alerts in two places: download
[08:49] <asac> and updates
[08:49] <mconnor> asac: when I sober up, I'll write this up better, and angrier, but basically, once you inform me of something that's worth informing m of, I have to make a decision on something
[08:50] <asac> mconnor: thanks ... not sure why it has to be angrier though ;)
[08:50] <mconnor> I mean, if you tell me there's an update, I have to deide if i care.  and if I do, I have to go the long way, instead of just clicking on the thing
[08:51] <mconnor> asac: because it makes me angry when people reinvent the wheel to be a 12-sided polygon instead of round
[08:52] <mconnor> asac: are you going to be at FOSDEM?
[08:53] <asac> mconnor: didnt plan a trip yet, so i probably wont make it. time just flew by and so on ...
[08:53] <mconnor> but, but, Belgian beers!
[08:53] <mconnor> in four days!
[08:53] <asac> i have german beer every day ;)
[08:54] <mconnor> bah
[08:54] <mconnor> asac: my basic assertion is that if I don't want to to posssibly take an action, then why the hell are you distracting me to tell me?
[08:55] <mconnor> I don't care how transient it is, it'll attract my attention, and either a) I don't care, in which case, why are you bothering me? or b) I care, in which case you're not giving me an easy way to take said action
[08:57] <mconnor> asac: where can I point out the fallacy of this design? other than writing a blog post about the idiocy of your "usability" people?
[08:58] <asac> mconnor: if you want to do it public right from the beginning its probably blog
[08:58] <asac> otherwise write stuff up in an email, and i forward ... and when you get reply you can blog ;)
[08:58] <mconnor> asac: I don't care whether it's public, I just want to make this be as useful as the existing tech on Windows and Mac :)
[08:59] <mconnor> I like the non-modal and transient stuff
[08:59] <asac> mconnor: then please give me that input and i will forward that.
[08:59] <mconnor> ok
[08:59] <mconnor> (note: transparency fail) ;)
[10:57] <britta_> ?question. For the first time ever I don't seem to have much success with installing lightning for thunderbird. Thunderbird runs fine, but I can't see the calendar lightning as I normally can. I have sudo apt-get removed and installed a couple of times, but no difference. Does anybody have a suggestion?
[11:06] <britta_> forgot to add, am running ubuntu 8.10
[11:12] <asac> britta_: how do you install it?
[11:14] <britta_> the console. sudo apt-get install thunderbird lightning
[11:14] <britta_> asac: + copied my old mozilla thunderbird folder into the new installation.
[11:15] <asac> britta_: go to tools -> addons in thunderbird ... check whether "uninstall" isavailable for lightning there
[11:15] <asac> if so uninstall
[11:16] <britta_> asac: I can't even see lightning there - which could be the explanation.
[11:17] <britta_> Just tried installing agina, but am told that lightning is already the latest version
[11:17] <britta_> agina = again
[11:18] <asac> britta_: stop tbird and try to sudo touch /usr/lib/thunderbird/.autoreg
[11:18] <asac> then run again
[11:19] <britta_> asac: by stop thunderbird you mean close it?
[11:19] <asac> j
[11:19] <asac> yes
[11:20] <britta_> asac: still nothing there. I did sudo touch /usr/lib/thunderbird/.autoreg. it just went to a new prompt.
[11:21] <asac> you have to restart thunderbird ... if that doesnt help move your profile away and see if it works with new profile
[11:22] <asac> britta_: ^^
[11:22] <britta_> asac: will try that and be back. Thansk
[11:23]  * asac  runs memcheck ... bbl
[11:43] <britta_> asac: I hope you see this. For some reason it didn't work, but I downloaded lightning and installed it through tools ->ad ons. Now it works. Strange... Thanks a lot for your help.
[12:38] <huayra> can I ask about mozilla plugins in this channel?
[12:38] <huayra> I have an issue with hardy and gnash on PPC
[12:38] <huayra> and I would like to solve it :)