[00:31] <Flannel> How odd.
[02:07] <Pici> Can a KDE user revise !dialup please?
[02:43] <tritium> Good evening.
[04:25] <nalioth> nixternal: your friend went buh-bye
[09:40] <elky> i seriously thought he was more clued on than that
[09:41] <Myrtti> so did I
[09:55] <ikonia> |_ocke: can you take #ubuntu-offtopic off auto join please
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> Interesting tidbit:  Of respondents to the Ubuntu Server usage survey, approximately triple the number of people have used the Forums as IRC for support.
[10:18] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: huh?
[10:19] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: Canonical did a survey (about 7000 responses) of organizations using Ubuntu Server.  One of the questions was "which of the following have you used for support", with IRC, the wiki, the docs site, ubuntu forums, mailing lists, other sites as options.  The bar for the forums is three times as high as for IRC.
[10:21] <Myrtti> so people use IRC more than forums?
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> No, less.
[10:21] <Myrtti> oh
[10:21] <Myrtti> right
[10:21] <Myrtti> weird.
[10:21] <Myrtti> I'd rather not touch the forums at all.
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> gah, I have to go to bed.  Class in 5.5 hours.
[10:27] <elky> all i can say is 'only triple'?
[13:27] <topyli> nickspoon: looks like it's failtroll again
[13:27] <nickspoon> I'm thinking so.
[13:27] <ikonia> which one ?
[13:27] <topyli> kewln00b
[13:27] <ikonia> yes, he was a pain in #ubuntu
[13:27] <topyli> he's advertising it in the realname
[13:27] <ikonia> he left before he was banned
[13:32] <Myrtti> @bansearch kewln00b 
[13:32] <Myrtti> @login
[13:32] <ikonia> what about the othe rnick
[13:32] <nickspoon> rockslikeastone
[13:33] <ikonia> @bansearch rockslikeastone
[13:33] <topyli> failtroll, failfailtroll
[13:33] <ikonia> @bansearch failtroll,
[13:33] <ikonia> @bansearch failtroll
[13:33] <topyli> hrm
[13:33] <ikonia> @bansearch failfailtroll
[13:33] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[13:33] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[13:34] <ikonia> all good by the looks of things
[13:35] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: that nick guy couldn't grasp things - he pm'ed me about 4 times after you asked him to stop pm'ing
[13:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Agreed
[13:35] <ikonia> (I also asked him to stop when he started pm'ing)
[13:36] <Jack_Sparrow> HE just didnt seem to understand anything we were telling or asking him to do
[13:36] <Jack_Sparrow> None of his pastebins contained anything
[13:36] <Jack_Sparrow> All he could say was he had already done it.
[13:36] <ikonia> was pm'ing me to brag he fixed it and didn't have to do any of the stuff we asked for
[13:36] <ikonia> he couldn't grasp that we where asking for debugging - not fixing
[13:37] <Jack_Sparrow> He did run the apt-fix earlier, but never re-tried it
[13:38] <Jack_Sparrow> retried  his apt-get that is
[13:38] <ikonia> I stopped listeing he was just bragging he fixed it
[13:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Good for him
[13:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Earlier he said he ran that command I gave him and it didnt do anything.. just came back to the cli
[13:40] <Jack_Sparrow> So it didnt do anything
[13:40] <Jack_Sparrow> ugh\
[13:40] <ikonia> I switched off from him
[13:40] <ikonia> he kept going with pm - so I removed him as he couldn't grasp "stopping pm'ing people in #ubuntu"
[14:01] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia our link on cloning is wrong.. I get an error.. the old cloning factoid command still works fine
[14:05] <Jack_Sparrow> what is with simak filling up our ban list
[14:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I just removed a dozen of simaks bans.  they were all placed at the same time.. to the second on the 26th onf jan..  something odd with that
[14:09] <Myrtti> it's because of the netsplits
[14:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti Should I pull more, I pulled a dozen just so we could work
[14:14] <Myrtti> I wouldn't touch those bans at all
[14:14] <Myrtti> without checking the bantracker
[14:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti He had our floodbot banned, and picis bot banned.. very sloppy
[14:17] <Myrtti> it's not actually simak.freenode.net that has done the ban
[14:17] <Myrtti> s
[14:17] <Myrtti> it has been someone else
[14:17] <Myrtti> after netsplit the servers get it all mixed up, and replace the banners with themselves
[14:18] <Myrtti> some other server would give you different list of banners
[14:18] <Myrtti> which may or may not be the original ones
[14:25] <Myrtti> so, it's not simaks sloppyness
[14:25] <Myrtti> but someone elses
[14:27] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: wth did you do?
[14:27] <Jack_Sparrow> one sec..
[14:28] <Jack_Sparrow> I was  trying to put one back /mode -u *!*@ cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com 
[14:29] <Myrtti> -u?
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I was  trying to put one back /mode #ubuntu +b *!*@ cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com 
[14:29] <Myrtti> what's that?
[14:29] <Myrtti> ah
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I looked through all of the bans.. I had questions on three and one that had to go back on
[14:30] <Myrtti> well it looks like it already is there
[14:31] <Myrtti> [16:08] ~~~mode/#ubuntu [-bbbb %*!*@84.76.193.33 %*!*@75.110.167.241  %*!*@219.128.34.57 %*!*@cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com] by  Jack_Sparrow
[14:31] <Myrtti> ^ that is not unbanning
[14:31] <Myrtti> that's unmuting
[14:31] <Jack_Sparrow> that wasnt the command I was using.. it was a typo
[14:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I thought I had typed   /mode #ubuntu +b *!*@ cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com
[14:32] <Myrtti> which you probably did, but since that ban was already there, it did nothing
[14:33] <Jack_Sparrow> that is when it came up with +c     ?
[14:34] <Jack_Sparrow> How did it get Jack_Sparrow sets ban on *!*@*         from what I typed
[14:35] <jpds> Anyone here in Hardy by any chance?
[14:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Darn darn darn   I didnt see the space in this line when I pasted it   /mode #ubuntu +b *!*@ cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com 
[14:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti there were three bans I will check on.. none had notes in bt..  two were baz and one was pricy.. Pricy's was a month old with no comments
[14:38] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang had two that were a week old and no comments.. But I have the info and easy to replace
[14:57] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: are you in the middle of doing something with the bans?
[14:58] <Jack_Sparrow> I am done at the moment  whats up
[14:58] <Jack_Sparrow> I reviewed the ones I removed so we could work
[14:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Put one back.. and screwed that up..
[14:59]  * genii sips
[14:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Three that should not be a problem, but wanted to check with bazhang  and Pricey 
[14:59] <Myrtti> was just wondering why you're still with an @ ;-)
[14:59] <Jack_Sparrow> There are more in the list that I know can be removed.. ones on our bots etc
[15:00] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[15:01] <Jack_Sparrow> SOme of the bans I lifed were over a month old and had no comments and were none that I recognized as a problem.. not that I know them all, but some are more notoriaus (sp) than others
[15:13] <genii> Hehe in #k someone just called 8.04 "Hardy Heroin"
[15:20] <nickspoon> :D
[15:27] <Pici> !dialup
[15:28] <Jack_Sparrow> !clone
[15:28] <Pici> Is that a good suggestion for KDE users? ^
[15:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici We have had complaints that clone factoid trhrows error
[15:28] <Jack_Sparrow> the old clone command works
[15:53] <ikonia> Pici: as a side issue - pretty much finished the raid updates, should be able to commit them tommorow, apologies for the slow turn around, I was off quite sick for a week or so 
[15:53] <Pici> ikonia: No worries :)
[15:54] <ikonia> got quite into it for a day - then was sick the next
[15:54] <ikonia> only really got back up to speed the last few days
[15:59] <genii> Riddell got it
[16:01] <genii> The floodbots been reprogrammmed or so? It feels like they used to catch more flooding than now
[16:35] <Pricey> Jack_Sparrow: what's up?
[16:36]  * genii hands out a new round of coffees
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> We ran out of bans in the list.. I removed this one of yours #ubuntu 	%*!*@adsl-75-57-182-55.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> (Removed) 	PriceChild
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Jack_Sparrow 	Jan 04 2009 05:09:28
[16:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Feb 03 2009 14:08:22 	Show/Hide log
[16:37] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: is it still quite busy/full list
[16:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Understood.. but we had a join ..foul lang guy I needed to ban and could not stop until I cleard room
[16:39] <Myrtti> omnom coffee
[16:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I did not remove any that were recent and none that had notes or marks
[16:41] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: does it require more cleaning ?
[16:41] <Jack_Sparrow> I would not normally lift anyones bans but  my own..  If you want me to put it back, say the word.  We needed some room and I did not have much time 
[16:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I think it could use some cleanup.  We know the handful of long time problems.. dont lift those but some of the others.  yes
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[16:43] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[16:43] <ikonia> I'll do some house keeping on my stuff then
[16:43] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: thanks for the nudge
[16:44] <Jack_Sparrow> np..  You guys cover my tail all the time
[16:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I just didnt want to step on anyones toes.
[16:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I have not noticed any issues from the bans I lifted.. I still had two from bazhang  that I wanted to run past him
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow> The rest were our floodbots getting banned and pici and ljl's bot getting banned
[16:46] <ikonia> ha
[16:46] <Jack_Sparrow> So yes, it could use some housekeeping
[16:47] <Jack_Sparrow> ugh 1/4 of the bans were our own bots..  
[18:33]  * jussi01 waves
[18:33] <Seeker`> hi
[18:33] <jussi01> heya Seeker`
[18:33]  * Pici adjust's jussi01's frequency
[18:34] <jussi01> hehe
[18:35]  * Seeker` adjusts his wavelength
[18:35]  * Seeker` waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaves
[18:36] <Pici> :)
[19:01]  * genii slides jussi01 a Quassel mug of coffee
[19:16] <ikonia> @bansearch cheeky
[19:16] <ikonia> @btlogin
[20:14] <Pici> ugh
[20:14] <nickrud_> Pici, sorry about that
[20:14] <Pici> nickrud_: no problem, tag team
[20:14] <nickrud_> a lovely thing to see upon joining :(
[21:42] <Scunizi> I'm having an issue with emma in #ubuntu .. am I correct in assuming that pm-ing out of the blue isn't really something that is correct?
[21:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi correct
[21:43] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: she's being a real pain
[21:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Ill have a word, what was the pm
[21:43] <Myrtti> uh-oh.
[21:43] <Pricey> You've got to be joking.
[21:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi I will read back, what was the PM
[21:43] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: her first line was something to the effect of "I understand you're interested in ubuntu?"
[21:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi Pastewbin the entiure conversation and give me the link
[21:44] <emma> Hi I would like to establish for the record that I did not know that Scunizi was in #ubuntu until he started a tirade against me there.
[21:44] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: I think I remember her doing this in the past and trying to get me to change channels.. 
[21:44] <emma> Okay then  you are not a truth teller.
[21:44] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: sorry but I've closed the pm window several times in frustration
[21:45] <Jack_Sparrow> BOth of you stop
[21:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi I asked you for something.. please take care of it
[21:45] <Pricey> Scunizi: Do I know you?
[21:45] <emma> I have nothing to stop and I will be leaving this channel soon. The only thing that needed to be established is that I did not know that Scunizi was in #ubuntu until he started lashing out at me and highlighting me in the process.
[21:46] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: I've closed the pm window and am not logging my session.. if there is another way to retrieve the messages please let me know.
[21:46] <Jack_Sparrow> emma, I just wanted this to ennd quickly. was not singling anyone out.  No comments from either of you
[21:46] <emma> I saw him talking about ubuntu in a wholly different channel on Freenode, and if he were honest enough to pastebin the PM you would see there is nothing in it that is out of the ordinary.
[21:46] <emma> Scunizi: there is a way, I can pastebin the PM would you like me to do that? Are you honest enough to welcome that?
[21:46] <Scunizi> The only other channels I'm in are ##linux and #ubuntu-california
[21:46] <Scunizi> sure emma.. go for it.
[21:47] <Jack_Sparrow> I have not had a chance to read the logs..
[21:48] <Jack_Sparrow> emma yes.. ..  Scunizi .. I need this to be dropped .. not a word in channel until we can review what was going on and where
[21:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi How far back in the log.. on ubuntu..
[21:49] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: no problem.. I put it in the open channel because I couldn't get her to stop pm ing me.... in the last .. say 10-15 minutes..
[21:49] <emma> That's so absurd. 
[21:49] <Jack_Sparrow> emma did you ask before you PM'd Scunizi ?
[21:50] <emma> Nope. I said hello. 
[21:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi  what was said to or about emma in the channel
[21:50] <emma> This has nothing to do with #ubuntu 
[21:50] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: my first open request to stop was at 13:40 us west coast time
[21:51] <Pricey> I agree, as far as I can see, this has nothing to do with #ubuntu.
[21:51] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: I asked her to stop pm-ing
[21:51] <emma> There is one reason I am here, and that is because Scunizi was highlighting me repeatedly in #ubuntu (a channel I did not even know he was in)
[21:51] <Jack_Sparrow> emma You know some people dont respond well to an uninvited PM.. especially me.. you know that
[21:51] <Pricey> Scunizi: I suggest you use /ignore, or take advantage of freenode's /silence feature (stops PMs but not channel messages) if you don't want her PMing you.
[21:51] <emma> Jack_Sparrow: Some people do.
[21:52] <mneptok> emma: if you don't want to be highlighted, disable it in your client.
[21:52] <Scunizi> Pricey: never used that feature in xchat so I've yet to figure it out.. irssi is another matter.. easy there.
[21:52] <Jack_Sparrow> emma It is not generally considered the polite thing to do
[21:52] <emma> Jack_Sparrow: A good idea. I think that can be done per channel as well, in irssi.
[21:52] <Pricey> Scunizi: they both work pretty much the same.
[21:52] <mneptok> emma: highlighting happens when someone speaks your nick. it is not your place to tell people what nicks they can and cannot type.
[21:53] <emma> Jack_Sparrow: I somewhat disagree with that. I think that's a cultural thing that varries from chanel to channel and network to network. I personally welcome people pming me. but when I know a person does not like it, or if it is a channel policy against it, I don't.
[21:53] <mneptok> emma: you know that #ubuntu namespace channels discourage uninvited PMs, yes?
[21:53] <emma> mneptok: I really don't care about people highlighting me. The only relevance of the highlighting is that it was the means by which I could tell that Scunizi was making this something to do with #ubuntu.
[21:54] <emma> mneptok: do you understand what I'm saying?
[21:54] <mneptok> 16:41 < emma> Scunizi: Stop highlighting me in this channel when I did not even know you were in this channel.
[21:54] <Scunizi> not something to do with #ubuntu.. but that was the first place I looked for emma's nick since I'd had contact in the past.
[21:54] <mneptok> ^^ this is what i refer to ^^^
[21:54] <Jack_Sparrow> emma thank you for understanding.. Put him on ignore.  If he is offtopic in channel we will deal with it .  I cant see how he can work in your name and stay on topic for long
[21:54] <emma> Scunizi: Yeah I think maybe you are disengenuous. 
[21:54] <mneptok> "stop highlighting me" makes no sense.
[21:55] <mneptok> you highlight yourself. it's your script. don't like it? turn it off.
[21:55] <emma> Jack_Sparrow: Agreed. Thanks. 
[21:55] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: and that is exactly why I came here.. to find out protocol
[21:55] <emma> mneptok: Yeah. By stop highlighting me, just so you understand, what I meant is stop focusing your attention on me in a channel that has nothing to do with your problem with me.
[21:56] <emma> I think - though one can never be sure - I've explained that in a clear way.
[21:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi generally it is polite to ask.  sometimes I do not..
[21:56] <mneptok> emma: it's usually best to say what you mean ;)
[21:56] <Amaranth> That reminds me, is there a way in X-Chat to do per-channel highlights? (offtopic)
[21:56] <emma> mneptok: right on :)
[21:56] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: to ask.. what? to come here?  I"m not following
[21:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi generally it is polite to ask before you PM.  sometimes I do not..
[21:57] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: this is true .. and I agree.. I don't pm without asking.. 
[21:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi and emma.........  Are we dont here..
[21:57] <Jack_Sparrow> done
[21:58] <Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: I'm done
[21:58] <Jack_Sparrow> emma I wont tolerate anyone bad mouthing you or anytone in the channel
[21:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry for the fat fingers today
[21:59] <emma> Yep I've said what I needed to say. Thanks.
[21:59] <Jack_Sparrow> emma.........  Are we done here..  
[21:59] <emma> Is there anything else I can help anyone with?
[21:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Nope, all is well
[21:59] <Scunizi> Thanks Jack_Sparrow 
[21:59] <emma> I have a policy of not allowing certain channels to remain open in my IRC client while I'm idling.
[22:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi Remember to stay ontopic.. thanks
[22:00] <emma> So if there's nothing else I'm going to have to close you all.
[22:00] <Jack_Sparrow> emma np, I was about to turn off the lights and take a nap
[22:00] <emma> hehe 
[22:00] <emma> Okay cheers then. :)
[22:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Scunizi If that is all.. please part
[22:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Sheeeeeeeeeeesh
[22:01] <nickrud_> why
[22:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Why Oh why .. oh why   is right
[22:03] <Pricey> Amusing how they both declined to paste the PM.
[22:03] <ikonia> this is old
[22:04] <ikonia> why the hell is emma allowed to get away this this crap 
[22:04] <Pricey> Night all.
[22:04] <Pricey> maybe not
[22:04] <ikonia> night
[22:04] <Myrtti> nini Pricey 
[22:04] <Pricey> ikonia: what crap?
[22:04] <ikonia> Pricey: this randomly pm'ing people
[22:04] <ikonia> this was one of the whole things that caused a problem in the past
[22:04] <ikonia> and she promised to stop
[22:04] <Pricey> ikonia: I'm randomly PM'd, and randomly PM people all the time.
[22:04] <ikonia> Pricey: as "pricechild" or as a "staff" member
[22:04] <ikonia> randomly pm people you don't know
[22:05] <ikonia> ?
[22:05] <Pricey> Even as PriceChild.
[22:05] <Pricey> Shock horror.
[22:05] <ikonia> maybe I'm too harsh with it
[22:05] <ikonia> not at all
[22:05] <ikonia> I'm asking in what context you do it
[22:05] <ikonia> pm'ing people getting them to join the channel - is emma's "thing" 
[22:05] <Myrtti> I must be old or something but I personally don't understand that pm is the bogeyman issue
[22:05] <ikonia> and I thought it had been agreed to stop 
[22:05] <Pricey> Now you're assuming.
[22:05] <Pricey> Scunizi and emma didn't mention that last bit at all.
[22:05] <ikonia> no, I thought that was what the other guy said reading back
[22:05] <Myrtti> but there are times I don't understand pm'ing
[22:05] <ikonia> I could be wrong
[22:06] <ikonia> if I am wrong that's what he said - then I apologise and drop it
[22:06] <ikonia> but I thought he was saying she was asking him to change / join channels
[22:06] <Pricey> I think he remembered the meeting with sabdfl, about how emma had been discussed or something similar, so instantly thought it would be best to tell us.
[22:07] <ikonia> yes, that was an "event" in #ubuntu-meeting ages ago where she had agreed to stop pm'ing people to join ##club-ubuntu
[22:07] <nickrud_> agreed to stop selecting people _from_ #ubuntu to join, I thought
[22:08] <ikonia> nickrud_: he's in #ubuntu
[22:08] <ikonia> I've got it wrong anyway - re-reading
[22:08] <ikonia> 21:14 < Scunizi> Jack_Sparrow: I think I remember her doing this in the past  and trying to get me to change channels.. 
[22:08] <Pricey> I don't think I was in the meeting.
[22:08] <ikonia> I assume he means in the past she's tried to get him to change channels
[22:08] <ikonia> I'd miss-read that
[22:09] <ikonia> at least I assume I have, 
[22:09] <nickrud_> probably during her mass trolling for new club members in #ubuntu.
[22:09] <ikonia> yes, I'm not %100 clear if he means trying to invite him this time or the times before
[22:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I think it goes back farther than her pming him today asking him to join her channel
[22:10] <ikonia> I've no idea - it just always seems to be the same thing with her
[22:10]  * nickrud_ needs to get his irc logs on a central server
[22:10] <Jack_Sparrow> there feels like more of a history..  but ai mayu just be assuming that
[22:10] <ikonia> hence why I took the stance I did
[22:10] <ikonia> "not this again"
[22:10] <nickrud_> ikonia, my initial reaction exactly
[22:11] <ikonia> perhaps harsh on my part as she has been quiet of late, but at the same time, it's always the same thing
[22:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I have not heard of her PMing people in ubuntu or anywhere for quite some time
[22:11] <nickrud_> but, it's over now thankfully.
[22:11] <emma> This is for Amaranth -- http://orvp.net/xchat/channel_highlight-0.2.pl 
[22:11]  * nickrud_ spoke too soon
[22:12] <ikonia> Pricey: I'll drop the matter as it's clear I'm wrong and have miss-read this 
[22:12] <ikonia> Pricey: please don't let my ranting keep you from sleep
[22:13] <Pricey> that's quite cool
[22:14] <Pricey> ikonia: meh you can still have suspicions about it, because its still possible
[22:15] <ikonia> Pricey: only raised from the conversation in here - she's not done anything else
[22:15] <ikonia> Pricey: as I said I miss-read, although I'm still not %100 clear what he was actually saying happened this time
[23:27] <genii> Myrtti: Apologies again on #u-o
[23:35] <Myrtti> genii: not that I'm offended, just trying to keep up appearances
[23:36] <genii> Myrtti: OK :) Thanks