[00:31] <bdubnc> HeyI am wanting to move my CentOS lamp installation to Ubuntu 8.04.  The issue is with php.  I need a way to turn off the default soap settings that are configured by default from the apt repo.  CentOS 5.2 using php 5.1.6 and does not turn soap on by default.  They utilize nusoap which runs great on 5.1.6, but 5.2.4 seems to not run it at all. I need to back 5.2.4 down to 5.1.
[00:39] <nosferatu> whats the difference between ubutu server and desktop?
[00:40] <kansan> i added a printer to my ubuntu hardy desktop.... its a samsung ml-2510... problem is after awhile the printer seems to be disconnected... i.e i send it printer jobs and it doesnt do anything.  restarting my computer works, but only for a little bit... and then again i cant send it print jobs anymore.  i tried a different printer driver from linux printing database too ideas?how do i list all groups on a given machien?
[00:40] <kansan> oops
[00:40] <kansan> how do i list all groups on a given machien?
[00:42] <Deeps> bdubnc: i'm not sure, i guess in your position i'd make my own 5.1 package and pin that so that it doesn't get upgraded
[00:43] <Deeps> nosferatu: ubuntu server installs a different kernel config (-server) and a set of packages that would generally be considerred useful on a server, ubuntu desktop installs a different kernel config and a set of packages that are more useful to desktops, like gnome, firefox, openoffice, pidgin, and so on
[00:43] <Deeps> kansan: cat /etc/group
[00:43] <kansan> mk
[00:43] <bdubnc> Ah, that works.  My only other option would be to use an earlier LTS version
[00:44] <Deeps> bdubnc: you could try using the package from an earlier version on your current machine, but that may result in some... odd behaviour
 are those packages the LAME, DNS, etc. that you get asked during the installation?
[00:46] <Deeps> nosferatu: no, those are additional options
[00:46] <Deeps> nosferatu: all that is all available on both server and desktop, the only difference is the packages that are installed by default
[00:46] <bdubnc> yeah, I don't really want todo that.  Also, I am running Virtualmin which only runs on LTS builds so I would have to go back to 6.06 in order to order to work
[00:46] <nosferatu> oh, I wanted a cleanest linux install so that I can add stuff i use myselft. I thought server version would do :(
[00:47] <Deeps> nosferatu: i think there's a mini.iso that may be of interest to you, otherwise the alternate cd may be what you want, one of them lets you do a more minimal install
[00:47] <nosferatu> oh. ok, i´ll take a look at those. thanks.
[00:48] <nosferatu> i liked the old personalized installation disties came with a while ago...
[00:51] <bdubnc> Anyone know which version of php comes with 6.06, or where I can find out?
[00:55] <jtaji> bdubnc: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[00:57] <Deeps> !info php dapper
[00:57] <Deeps> !info php5 dapper
[01:00] <bdubnc> Thanks guys, I think I might just go with 6.06.  I really want to go to Ubuntu for speed.
[01:36] <kansan> how do i get the current time zone my ubuntu machine is set up on?
[03:30] <dinsdale07> kansan date
[03:45] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #324683 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.0.67-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324683
[04:18] <lukehasnoname> ping soren
[04:18] <lukehasnoname> do you have a list of things you're working on?
[04:19] <lukehasnoname> I read something about OpenVZ integration in jaunty, but I only saw it in the weekly newsletter
[05:27] <deadbattery> hi anyone here? i got a question
[05:33] <ScottK> !ask
[05:33] <deadbattery> well, anyone here has ever used plesk?
[05:34] <ScottK> I have, but not on Ubuntu
[05:35] <deadbattery> ya well its being a pain the ass ..
[05:35] <deadbattery> if anyone can help me here, i did extremely appreciate
[05:35] <ScottK> Which Ubuntu release are you  using?
[05:35] <deadbattery> 8.04
[05:36] <ScottK> You might consider just using ebox.
[05:36] <ScottK> !ebox
[05:36] <deadbattery> i know but i prefer plesk, its much better for client management
[05:37] <ScottK> OK.  I can't help you, but I'd suggest asking a specific question.
[05:37] <deadbattery> well first i would need some one that has experience with plesk =p
[05:38] <deadbattery> but i use apache2 as of now, do u knopw where the error log is saved?
[05:41] <ScottK> Generally in /var/log
[05:42] <deadbattery> well i see apache2 afterwards
[05:46] <jmarsden> deadbattery: Look in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf for the ErrorLog directive, it says where the error log will go.  The default in Ubuntu 8.10 is   ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log
[05:47] <jmarsden> Note that this is not at all specific to Plesk :)
[05:47] <deadbattery> i am still getting ] child pid 17202 exit signal Segmentation fault
[05:47] <deadbattery> which basically hangs the entire server
[05:48] <deadbattery> any idea?
[05:49] <jmarsden> Did you build apache2 from source, or is this error coming from the official Ubuntu-packaged version of apache2?
[05:49] <deadbattery> umm
[05:49] <deadbattery> i just did sudo apt-get apache
[05:50] <deadbattery> i did sudo apt-get install apache
[05:50] <jmarsden> OK, so it is the packaged one.  It shouldn't be segfaulting... is that 17202 process an httpd, or some other process spawned by apache?
[05:51] <deadbattery> i really dont know
[05:51] <deadbattery> i am in apache2/error.log
[05:51] <deadbattery> and theres like a gizzlion of these
[05:51] <deadbattery> [Tue Feb 03 06:51:16 2009] [notice] child pid 21918 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[05:51] <deadbattery> one after anpother
[05:51] <deadbattery> its only apache2 running, no mysql
[05:52] <jmarsden> That almost starts to sound like hardware... flaky RAM, or something??
[05:53] <deadbattery> umm quad core xeon, 4gb ram
[05:53] <deadbattery> i doubt it
[05:53] <deadbattery> cud an index.html be an issue?
[05:53] <deadbattery> a broken one?
[05:53] <jmarsden> I don't know how it could cause a segfault!  But put back a really simple one and see if the problem goes away.
[05:54] <deadbattery> put back what?
[05:54] <jmarsden> A nice clean safe index.html :)
[05:54] <deadbattery> in the folder
[05:54] <deadbattery> wher he files are hosted
[05:54] <deadbattery> all there are .avi files
[05:54] <deadbattery> nothing else
[05:54] <deadbattery> just .avi files
[05:55] <jmarsden> Then why did you think it could be index.html?
[05:55] <jmarsden> If there is no index.html, it can't be causing a problem, by definition.
[05:55] <deadbattery> i did have an index.html
[05:55] <deadbattery> just one
[05:55] <deadbattery> all the apache server does is host avi files
[05:56] <deadbattery> now the servre instantly crashes..
[05:56] <deadbattery> i started it
[05:56] <deadbattery> and it just keeps saying waiting....
[05:57] <deadbattery> does http://91.121.4.48 work for u guys
[05:57] <jmarsden> So you just set up a LAMP server and threw a bunch of .avi files under /var/www and it crashes?  No other config changes?  Where does Plesk come into the picture then?
[05:57] <deadbattery> i was thinking of moving into plesk
[05:57] <deadbattery> i no longer use lamp
[05:57] <deadbattery> i got apache2
[05:57] <jmarsden> The A in LAMP starts for Apache :)
[05:58] <deadbattery> yeah i dont use lamp
[05:58] <deadbattery> i did sudo apt-get install apache
[05:58] <jmarsden> You use the L and the A parts, at least :)
[05:58] <jmarsden> OK.
[05:58] <deadbattery> hm weird
[05:59] <jmarsden> If you have a boring standard Ubuntu server and you sudo apt-get install apache and throw a pile of files under /var/www/ it does not segfault... not on good hardware.  That much is for sure.
[05:59] <deadbattery> no i thru the files in
[06:00] <jmarsden> So either some config got changed or else the hardware is the cause of the segfaults
[06:00] <deadbattery> i changed the root to /home/admin
[06:01] <deadbattery> wud that casue an issue?
[06:01] <jmarsden> OK... how did you do that?  Which config file did you edit?
[06:01] <deadbattery> httpd.conf
[06:01] <deadbattery> i just remote rebooted the server
[06:01] <jmarsden> I think you edited the wrong thing, can you undo that change... (after the reboot!) ?
[06:02] <deadbattery> well how did i do it wrong, if it changed the root of wher ethe files are hosted to /home/admin?
[06:02] <deadbattery> err i am going to do a fresh install of apache
[06:02] <deadbattery> how can u remove it?
[06:03] <deadbattery> first shud i get apache2 or apache?
[06:04] <deadbattery> seci am removing it
[06:04] <deadbattery> then i amd o fresh install
[06:06] <deadbattery> which shud i isntall? apache or apache2?
[06:06] <jmarsden> You should probably use apache2, it is the current stable version of Apache.  BTW your web server now apepars to be working...?
[06:06] <jmarsden> I see a bunch of .avi files...
[06:06] <deadbattery> this is lampp
[06:06] <deadbattery> how the hell do i remove it
[06:07] <jmarsden> How did you install it?
[06:07] <deadbattery> a frend did
[06:07] <jmarsden> LAMPP with two P's?
[06:07] <deadbattery> how do u uninstall apache2?
[06:07] <deadbattery> ya
[06:08] <jmarsden> If if was installed as a package you can do   sudo apt-get remove apache2
[06:08] <jmarsden> But who knows what your friend did...!?
[06:08] <deadbattery> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.3
[06:08] <deadbattery> god damn
[06:08] <jmarsden> So it installed some other copy of Apache its own way...
[06:09] <deadbattery> lol
[06:09] <jmarsden> If your friend manually compiled and installed stuff, you need to get him to undo that.  Or just reinstall the server; figuring out what he did would take too long, I suspect.
[06:10] <deadbattery> how do u re install?
[06:10] <jmarsden> Did he follow a tutorial or something to install LAMPP ?
[06:10] <deadbattery> no and lampp is shitty, all i need is apache
[06:10] <jmarsden> Is this a server you have physical access to, or is it at an ISP or colo place somewhere?
[06:11] <deadbattery> servers in france.. i am in usa
[06:12] <jmarsden> Then you need to do whatever your ISP in France says you have to do to get it reinstalled... how to remote reinstall depends completely on their setup.
[06:12] <jmarsden> They may have a web based server control panel where you can request a reinstall??
[06:13] <deadbattery> wait wwat?
[06:13] <deadbattery> nah yo, i have remote desktop to the ubuntu
[06:13] <deadbattery> i can do everything
[06:13] <jmarsden> Well, you can't put a CD in the CDROM drive :)
[06:13] <deadbattery> why wud i need to put a CD in the drive..
[06:13] <deadbattery> i just need to remove apache2
[06:14] <jmarsden> OK, you can find out where and how your friend installed it, and then undo what he did.
[06:14] <jmarsden> You could pay someone to ssh into your server and do it, I suppose... but again, a server reinstall would be faster and so cheaper than doing that, I suspect.
[06:14] <deadbattery> why
[06:14] <deadbattery> wud i re install
[06:15] <deadbattery> i wud lose ervything..
[06:15] <jmarsden> This is a production server?  And you have no diae how your friend installed LAMPP?  Wow.  Then you need to talk to your friend...
[06:15] <jmarsden> s/diae/idea/
[06:15] <deadbattery> sec he just removed it
[06:16] <jmarsden> OK, then now you can do   sudo apt-get install apache2
[06:16] <deadbattery> sec
[06:16] <deadbattery> k done
[06:16] <deadbattery> now how do i change the root folder to /home/admin
[06:17] <jmarsden> Not so fast... can you browse to the server and see anything??
[06:17] <deadbattery> well lets turn it on
[06:17] <jmarsden> Sure.    sudo service apache2 start
[06:18] <deadbattery> admin@ns37294:~$ sudo service apache2 start
[06:18] <deadbattery> sudo: service: command not found
[06:19] <jmarsden> OK, try     sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[06:19] <deadbattery> admin@ns37294:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[06:19] <deadbattery> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache2: command not foun
[06:19] <deadbattery> and the apache2 is isntalled
[06:19] <deadbattery> Reading state information... Done
[06:19] <deadbattery> apache2 is already the newest version.
[06:20] <deadbattery> inside etc/init.d/ i see not apache2
[06:20] <jmarsden> Strange indeed.  Can you uninstall it    sudo apt-get remove apache2
[06:21] <deadbattery> done
[06:21] <deadbattery> now =o
[06:22] <deadbattery> now i guess sudo apt-get apache2?
[06:22] <jmarsden> OK, so now install again and then you really really should have a file /etc/init.d/apache2
[06:22] <jmarsden> With the install in there, yes.
[06:22] <deadbattery> nope
[06:23] <deadbattery> weird, huh?
[06:23] <jmarsden> OK, something is broken here... maybe try   sudo apt-get install apache2.2-common
[06:24] <deadbattery> dione
[06:24] <jmarsden> You have a Ubuntu 8.10 server installation, right?  OK, now check for /etc/init.d/apache2 again.
[06:24] <deadbattery> still no apache
[06:24] <deadbattery> no i got 8.04
[06:25] <deadbattery> admin@ns37294:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[06:25] <deadbattery> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache2: command not found
[06:25] <jmarsden> Ah... Should work the same way... did the sudo apt-get install apache2.2-common   say it was going to install it, and actually do anything?
[06:25] <deadbattery> no 0 for all ofem
[06:25] <deadbattery> sec
[06:25] <deadbattery> i just installed it
[06:25] <deadbattery> and it says
[06:25] <deadbattery> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[06:25] <deadbattery> (Reading database ... 126473 files and directories currently installed.)
[06:25] <deadbattery> Removing apache2 ...
[06:25] <deadbattery> so there had to be a apache2..
[06:25] <deadbattery> wtf?
[06:26] <deadbattery> i can give u SSH if u want
[06:26] <jmarsden> MIght be faster...  Not in the channel though!
[06:43] <suigeneris> ScottK, are you there?
[06:43] <ScottK> I am.
[06:43] <ScottK> Let me get something ...
[06:43] <suigeneris> can you help me now?
[06:43] <ScottK> Yes
[06:44] <suigeneris> so, where do you want to begin? do you want any information from me?
[06:45] <ScottK> I tried openssl genrsa -des3 -rand /etc/hosts -out smtpd.key 1024 as is in the docs and had the same problem as you.
[06:45] <ScottK> What I've done that works for me is:
[06:46] <suigeneris> wietse said in the mailing list that key values mismatch. is it still password problem?
[06:47] <ScottK> Yes
[06:47] <ScottK> openssl req -new -nodes -keyout smtpd_private.pem -out smtpd_private.pem -days 365
[06:47] <ScottK> Answer the questions that go with that and leave the password blank.
[06:48] <ScottK> That'll be your private key.
[06:49] <ScottK> Then you'll want to self sign them.
[06:49] <ScottK> openssl ca -policy policy_anything -out smtpd_public.pem -infiles smtpd_private.pem
[06:50] <ScottK> Then you'll want to put them and your cacert.pem in /etc/postfix/certs and make sure to chmod the private key to 600
[06:51] <suigeneris> policy_anything <---- do i write this as is?
[06:51] <ScottK> yes
[06:53] <ScottK> If you have trouble with the cacert signing bit, look into CA.pl
[06:53] <ScottK> It's shipped with openssl
[06:53] <suigeneris> unable to load CA private key
[06:53] <ScottK> Use CA.pl to make one.
[06:53] <ScottK> /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl and man CA.pl for details.
[06:55] <ScottK> suigeneris: I highly recommend "The Book of Postfix" for learning more about doing stuff with Postfix.
[06:56] <ScottK> You won't be suprised where I got that from ....
[07:04] <ScottK> suigeneris: I'm off to bed.  If you have more problems after trying to work through it, leave me a note and I'll get the scrollback.
[07:04] <ScottK> sommer: ^^^
[07:04] <suigeneris> thank you ScottK
[07:10] <deadbattery> jmarsden, is da beast
[07:10] <deadbattery> gnite all!!
[07:10] <deadbattery> i have began my journy to learning ubuntu
[07:10] <deadbattery> o.o
[07:28] <gtdaqua> does anybody know the blueprints of server spec/features of jaunty?
[07:29] <gtdaqua> am i the only one here?
[07:30] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #228229 in openssh (main) "sshd profile does not work out-of-the-box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228229
[07:33] <gtdaqua> ??
[07:35] <gtdaqua> are there any current blueprint of jaunty server?
[07:36] <gtdaqua> can anybody read my posts?
[08:24] <mathiaz> kees: jdstrand: bug 228229
[08:24] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 228229 in openssh "sshd profile does not work out-of-the-box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228229
[08:24] <mathiaz> kees: jdstrand: is this related to the openssh package?
[08:25] <SmokeyD> ﻿hey people. I am running snort on my ubuntu hardy machine, and have configured multiple ip addresses using aliases
[08:25] <SmokeyD> ﻿hould I now also modify /etc/snort/snort.debian.conf to include both eth0 and eth0:1 in DEBIAN_SNORT_INTERFACE="eth0"?
[08:25] <SmokeyD> *should
[08:32] <soren> lukehasnoname: What's up?
[08:34] <soren> uvirtbot`: nick uvirtbot
[08:41] <kraut> moin
[08:42] <lukehasnoname> soren: I was wondering if there was a place where the things being worked on for Jaunty are documented. I checked the roadmap, but I don't see anything new. For example, I saw that OpenVZ is being integrated into Jaunty in the weekly newsletter, but I couldn't find info anywhere else
[08:43] <soren> lukehasnoname: It's supposed to be on Launchpad, and it actually should be by the end of today. We're updating it today.
[08:44] <soren> lukehasnoname: About OpenVZ... I haven't heard anything about that. At all.
[08:50] <lukehasnoname> "Soren Hansen has uploaded a new version of the libvirt package. Amongst bug fixes the version available in Jaunty brings support for openvz..." Perhaps I misunderstood that sentence.
[08:51] <lukehasnoname> it has to do with libvirt controlling openvz, not jaunty having a predefined openvz config
[09:07] <soren> Oh. Well, the openvz stuff we got for free. It wasn't the reason for updating libvirt.
[09:11] <andol> mathiaz: Seems like the mysql ssl-test-cert patch did the trick regarding bug #323755.
[09:11] <andol> mathiaz: Will you take a look at the debdiff I've provided, and upload it if it seems ok?
[09:15] <mathiaz> andol: yes - I'm looking at it right now
[09:15] <mathiaz> andol: where did you take the patch from?
[09:18] <andol> mathiaz: https://code.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-5.0-bugteam
[09:21] <andol> mathiaz: Really wasn't sure about the best way to extract to patch, so I ended up taking a diff from when it was checked in.
[09:21] <mathiaz> andol: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-5.0-bugteam/revision/2730?
[09:22] <mathiaz> andol: yeah - ^^ seems that's the patch you took
[09:22] <simplexio> does anyone know does ubuntu 8.10 suuport nfs4 acl ?
[09:22] <andol> mathiaz: yes, that's the one.
[09:24] <mathiaz> andol: ok. It's annoying that they generated a new certificate that will expire in one year :/
[09:26] <andol> mathiaz: Yes, was kind of wondering about that. Do you really have to worry that much about a cert which only will be connect to from localhost? :)
[09:26] <mathiaz> andol: oh no - it's for the test suite
[09:26] <mathiaz> andol: the pkg will fail to build in one year
[09:27] <mathiaz> andol: and we'll still be supporting it
[09:27] <andol> mathiaz: That was what I was refering to. Isn't t he test suite only working locally?
[09:27] <mathiaz> andol: it's very annoying when packages stop to build once we've released
[09:28] <mathiaz> andol: yes. it's not a security issue. it's just that the package will fail to build next year while we're still supporting it.
[09:28] <andol> mathiaz: Hey, but now I see kind of phrased my question wrong :) I was wondering if _they_ really have to worry about...
[09:28] <mathiaz> andol: oh sorry. about that.
[09:29] <mathiaz> andol: I guess they don't plan to support 5.0 by then.
[09:29] <mathiaz> andol: let me check what they did in 5.1
[09:29] <andol> mathiaz: not your fault that I phrased my question wrong :)
[09:29] <andol> Ohh well, at least we will hopefully remember this ticket next year.
[09:30] <mathiaz> andol: also when preparing a patch I usually use the DP: field at the top of the patch to document what the patch does and where it came from.
[09:30] <mathiaz> andol: it helps a lot when you review patches in the futur
[09:37] <andol> mathiaz: Will do that.
[09:37] <mathiaz> andol: I'll update the dpatch
[09:37] <mathiaz> andol: and upload the package.
[09:38] <andol> thanks
[09:39] <andol> mathiaz: Since we talking about mysql. You don't also feel like taking a look at my solutions to bug #296952 and bug #310211?
[09:42] <mathiaz> andol: it should be on my list - did you subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to ask for sponsorship?
[09:42] <piquadrat> Hi! Any nginx-experts around? I can't get it to gzip any content, altough I have "gzip on;" in nginx.conf
[09:43] <andol> mathiaz: Yes, ubuntu-main-sponsors are subscribed to both of those tickets.
[10:10] <shally87> hi deeps
[10:11] <shally87> i wanna ask if i should get a virtual machine for each of the server installed on my pc.
[10:34] <shally871> hi
[10:35] <shally871> what type of virtual machine i need to install for 4 server in a pc? The server are mail server, lamp, dns and samba
[10:37] <incorrect> i have approximately 200 servers,  right now they are stand alone units,  however I want to create a central management system,  I am looking at ldap, however openldap seems to be somewhat buggy right now for n-way replication
[10:37] <incorrect> what other alternatives are there?
[10:41] <domas> NIS
[10:41] <domas> or, more radical, Puppet
[10:41] <incorrect> i didn't think many people used NIS anymore
[10:42] <hads> Puppet is cool
[10:42] <domas> we do!
[10:42] <incorrect> can nis replicate information between servers?
[10:43] <domas> why do you need nway replication for 200 servers? :)
[10:43] <incorrect> i have multiple sites
[10:44] <incorrect> don't want a vpn link to go down and everything to collapse
[10:44] <mathiaz> incorrect: are you sure you need multi-master replication?
[10:44] <mathiaz> incorrect: openldap support replication
[10:45] <incorrect> yes there is a passwd db in there, I ideally I would like this to be current as possible over all sites
[10:46] <mathiaz> incorrect: so openldap replication would work
[10:46] <incorrect> if openldap n-way replication would work
[10:47] <mathiaz> incorrect: what do you refer to by n-way replication?
[10:47] <incorrect> http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/replication.html#N-Way Multi-Master
[10:47] <incorrect> seems to be what https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[10:47] <incorrect> is based on
[10:48] <mathiaz> incorrect: do you need to support a multi-master architecture?
[10:49] <incorrect> well each site needs to sync and each site will take updates
[10:49] <mathiaz> incorrect: well - the first part is easily support with the replication module in openldap
[10:49] <mathiaz> incorrect: the second part is much more complicated
[10:50] <incorrect> mathiaz, where is the complication?
[10:50] <mathiaz> incorrect: I'd think about whether you *really* need to support every sites to take updates
[10:50] <mathiaz> incorrect: in the first part you replicate for a read-only environment
[10:51] <mathiaz> incorrect: in the second use case you want to support write in multiple places and sync between them
[10:51] <mathiaz> incorrect: this is much harder to do
[10:51] <mathiaz> incorrect: and be consistent
[10:52] <incorrect> i don't mind if there are problems that an object gets updated in two locations and one update gets trampled
[10:52] <incorrect> this is highly unlikely to happen
[10:52] <incorrect> and i don't care if it does
[10:53] <incorrect> so what you are telling me is, a company couldn't use openldap if it had two sites, and someone at the second site wanted to update their password
[10:53] <incorrect> that says master->slave to me
[10:54] <mathiaz> incorrect: it's possible. You'd just have to setup your environment so that the password update is always directed to the master
[10:54] <incorrect> what is the point of multimaster replication?
[10:55] <mathiaz> incorrect: section 17.2.2 of the openldap admin guide lists the advantages
[10:55] <incorrect> If any provider fails, other providers will continue to accept updates
[10:56] <incorrect> sound great to me
[10:56] <mathiaz> incorrect: right - that's to eliminate the SPOF for the writes
[10:57] <mathiaz> incorrect: the question is whether you can live with your master down and how long it takes to recover the master
[10:57] <incorrect> hang on then it is not multi-master if one machine is the master
[10:58] <mathiaz> incorrect: yes. I'm talking about using the normal replication system.
[10:59] <incorrect> oh that works, i am not interested getting that working
[11:00] <incorrect> i am just trying to figure out why openldap blasts is db's away when replicating
[11:00] <incorrect> there must be something missing from that guide
[11:01] <mathiaz> incorrect: oh ok. I thought you were looking into whether multi-master would be usedfull for your environment.
[11:01] <incorrect> it clearly i the right choice if i can get it working
[11:02] <incorrect> is there anyway i can check out the https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html and make updates to it,  i found a number of errors
[11:04] <mathiaz> incorrect: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase - there is a documentor section that outlines how to check out the server guide
[11:05] <incorrect> thanks
[11:05] <mathiaz> incorrect: once you've made your updates you can push your own bzr branch to LP and ping sommer to review it
[11:07] <incorrect> cool
[11:08] <mathiaz> andol: mysql 5.0 uploaded.
[11:29] <andol> nice
[11:51] <SmokeyD> hey anybody know if Ubuntu Hardy server already contains snort compiled --enable-inline?
[11:53] <_ruben> SmokeyD: its rather easy to check ... apt-get source snort and take a look at the debian/rules file
[11:54] <SmokeyD> _ruben: good idea :)
[11:56] <SmokeyD> _ruben: and the answer is no, well, I think it is compiled with the switch, but the binary is not installed..
[11:58] <_ruben> that'd be rather odd i'd say
[13:33] <SmokeyD> is there a reason ubuntu doesn't include libapache2-mod-security in the repos?
[13:33] <SmokeyD> of course there is, but what is it :)
[13:35] <p_quarles> SmokeyD: I forget the precise reason, but it was an upstream (i.e., Debian) decision, and that's where you would find the explanation
[13:36] <p_quarles> I *think* there was some question about it meeting DFSG, but I could be wrong
[13:37] <ScottK> Sounds likely
[13:37] <SmokeyD> what is DFSG?
[13:37] <SmokeyD> licencing stuff?
[13:37] <ScottK> libapache-mod-security got removed.
[13:37] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache-mod-security
[13:37] <ScottK> Debian Free Software Guidelines, which Ubuntu follows
[13:37] <Deeps> heh, searching for libapache2-mod-security in google gives a plethora of hits that explain what happened
[13:38] <Deeps> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4227541&postcount=7 may be of interest
[13:38] <SmokeyD> Deeps: I was doing that but I can only find howto's which all say apt-get install libapache2-mod-security
[13:39] <SmokeyD> but ScottK's link explained it
[13:39] <SmokeyD> licensing trouble
[13:40] <Deeps> infact, it's back in sid now
[13:40] <Deeps> bug 27
[13:40] <Deeps> bug 247268
[13:40] <Deeps> even
[13:46] <ScottK> Actually it looks like exception solves the problem.
[13:53] <ScottK> SmokeyD, p_quarles, Deeps: It does look to me like the licensing change solves the problem, so I'll look into getting it back in for Jaunty.
[13:54] <SmokeyD> ScottK would be great, I not installed it using a community contributed debian package on the mod_security site
[13:54] <SmokeyD> ScottK, could it also be backported to hardy?
[13:54] <ScottK> Possibly.
[13:55] <SmokeyD> s/not/now/
[13:55] <ScottK> !backports
[13:55] <ScottK> ^^^ Gives the process for requesting it (after it's back in).
[13:57] <tjaalton> is likewise-open going to be updated to 5.x for jaunty?
[13:59] <CrummyGummy> Hi, where do I find the stdout from a service running in inet.d?
[14:05] <ScottK> SmokeyD, p_quarles, Deeps: I've asked for it to be sync'ed so it should get in for Jaunty.
[14:06] <SmokeyD> ScottK: cool man
[14:06] <SmokeyD> that is really nice
[14:06] <SmokeyD> ScottK: I hope I'll remember to put in a request for a backport once jaunty has been released
[14:16] <simplexio> grrr.. my kryptd, dmraid and swapper keep failing on page alloc
[14:18] <axisys> still looking for some help on this
[14:18] <axisys> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6668647
[14:18] <CrummyGummy> any ideas what the difference is between running a service (csync2) in inetd and running it manually? csync2 runs fine when I run it but I get an identification failed error when runnign it through inet.d
[14:18] <axisys> it bombs out during disk detection
[14:19] <axisys> CrummyGummy: may be the shell environment?
[14:20] <quizme> apache runs as www-data right?
[14:20] <SmokeyD> quizme yes
[14:20] <axisys> quizme: ps -ef | grep apache or ps -ef | grep http or grep User from http.conf or apache.conf will help
[14:20] <CrummyGummy> axisys: Any ideas how I can trouble shoot that? It runs ininet.d as root. and I can run it fine manually as root.
[14:21] <axisys> CrummyGummy: you could have a script that spits out the env to a file and run it
[14:21] <axisys> compare the output from manually run and inetd way run
[14:21] <quizme> thanks
[14:22] <CrummyGummy> hmmm, lemme try that.
[14:23] <SmokeyD> CrummyGummy: afaik, running it through inetd enables the use of tcp-wrappers (hosts.deny and hosts.allow), which are not run when running standalone
[14:23] <SmokeyD> correct me if I'm wrong please :) I like to learn
[14:23] <CrummyGummy> ALL:    10.1.0.0/16 is in hosts.deny unless I need to specify the hostname.
[14:24] <CrummyGummy> No, i see its just ip addresses.
[14:24] <Davedan> I'm looking for a mail server that works on ubuntu. can anyone please recommend something?
[14:24] <SmokeyD> CrummyGummy: yeah indeed. But shouldn't ﻿ALL:    10.1.0.0/16  be in hosts.allow (assuming it is the subnet you are in)
[14:25] <ivoks> Davedan: postfix+dovecot
[14:25] <SmokeyD> Davedan: mailserver to sent mail (SMTP) or receive (POP3/Imap)
[14:25] <CrummyGummy> yes, typo :(\
[14:25] <SmokeyD> smtp: postfix
[14:25] <SmokeyD> pop3/imap: dovecot
[14:25] <ivoks> + mysql + postfixadmin
[14:26] <SmokeyD> ivoks: indeed
[14:26] <SmokeyD> Davedan: see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
[14:26] <SmokeyD> that is a very nice howto
[14:26] <Davedan> to receive emails, analize them and store in a db or file system
[14:26] <ivoks> store them on FS
[14:26] <ivoks> but put users in DB
[14:27] <ivoks> amavis+spamassassin+clamav is good filtering system
[14:27] <ivoks> anyway, everything you need (except postfixadmin web application) is in Ubuntu
[14:27] <SmokeyD> the how-to on workaround.org is really nice
[14:27] <Davedan> what can I use to run some logic and 'read' the mails?
[14:27] <ivoks> and you can set up a really good mail server on ubuntu
[14:28] <ivoks> roundcube
[14:28] <ivoks> roundcube as webmail
[14:28] <Davedan>  ivoks: roundcube is a mail server?
[14:28] <ivoks> no, only a webmail
[14:28] <SmokeyD> Davedan: http://roundcube.net/
[14:29] <ivoks> you should also consider hiring a professional, if you aren't familiar with mail servers
[14:29] <Davedan> I don't need a webmail only automatic mail server that receive mails, a script that do something with the mail and a place to store them
[14:30] <SmokeyD> Davedan: if you want to use postfixadmin (I do), combine the postfixadmin parts of http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/DovecotLDAPostfixAdminMySQL with the previous link
[14:30] <ivoks> SmokeyD: don't push him into LDAP yet :D
[14:30] <SmokeyD> ivoks: no I wouldn't
[14:30] <Davedan> maybe I didn't explain myself
[14:31] <Davedan> I don't need a normal mail application
[14:31] <SmokeyD> ok
[14:31] <SmokeyD> you want to retrieve email from another email server and read it using a script?
[14:31] <Davedan> what I want is a server that receive emails from automated scripts on multiple computers, analize them and store some data in a db
[14:32] <Davedan> so I guess I don't need roundcube
[14:32] <SmokeyD> Davedan: do you really NEED to receive those emails on that server, or would it suffice to have a gmail account receive those emails, and let your machine fetch the emails through pop3 and run a script on it?
[14:33] <Davedan> SmokeyD: I guess having a gmail account is fine but I'm not sure about the limits of the account
[14:33] <Davedan> it will be sufficent for test though
[14:33] <SmokeyD> Davedan:  what limits are you thinging about?
[14:34] <Davedan> not sure
[14:34] <SmokeyD> When you fetch your emails through pop3 from, the gmail server, they are gone from the server so little diskspace is used with gmail
[14:34] <SmokeyD> which is hard to fill anyway
[14:34] <Davedan> the size of the mails will be very small (10kb) but the number of mails can be high
[14:35] <Davedan> will I be able to do it with a python script for example?
[14:35] <SmokeyD> Davedan: if you use a remote mail server like with gmail: yes
[14:35] <SmokeyD> Davedan: just write a python script that fetches mails through pop3 and analyse them any way you want
[14:36] <SmokeyD> Davedan: and either run that script through cron if fetching one per hour or something is fine
[14:37] <SmokeyD> if you want to read the emails more often, make the python script run continuously as a daemon and make it fetch your emails once per second if necessary (although I don't know if gmail likes that)
[14:37] <Davedan> SmokeyD: the python script will be the only thing my server does so I'll do it more often.
[14:37] <Davedan> k
[14:37] <Davedan> thanks
[14:37] <SmokeyD> Davedan: no problem
[14:38] <SmokeyD> Davedan: just look into gmail's policy's regarding the frequency of your python script connecting to the gmail pop3 server
[14:38] <SmokeyD> maybe gmail get's annoyed if you connect every second to their pop3 server
[14:39] <SmokeyD> Davedan: http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/module-poplib.html
[14:39] <Davedan> as a proof of conecpt gmail is a great idea. If everything will work I will be able to hire someone to help me :)
[14:40] <ivoks> forward all mails to one server
[14:40] <ivoks> analayze your mail there (posftix + procmail + whatever you want to analayze with)
[14:40] <ivoks> we can't tell you how to analyze, since that's what you have to figure out
[14:41] <ivoks> i can tell you that you can forward all you mail to account account@domain
[14:41] <ivoks> and set up .forward for that account with "|/your/custom/script"
[14:41] <Davedan> why is it better to forward the mails and not receive them on account@domain on the first place?
[14:41] <ivoks> all mail for account@domain will be forwarded to /your/custom/script program which will do whatever you want
[14:41] <ivoks> you said you have multiple computers
[14:42] <ivoks> then i guess you want to analyze your data on one place
[14:42] <Davedan> let's say I have 100 computers all sending mails with some data to a single mail address
[14:44] <Davedan> is it better to use webservices instead of a mail server to send data from multiple clients to a single server?
[14:45] <ivoks> that depends only on you
[14:45] <ivoks> i would set up my own server
[14:45] <ivoks> and push my private data over SMTPS
[14:45] <ivoks> and i wouldn't feel good having my sensibile data on some-other's servers
[14:46] <Davedan> when you say server are you talking about a mail server or an http server?
[14:46] <ivoks> that's how i would do it, but i'm not you, and you have to decide on your own
[14:46] <ivoks> for last 10 minutes we are talking only about mail servers, right?
[14:47] <ivoks> if not 20 minutes
[14:47] <Davedan> I currently have a script on the clients that send data to an email address.
[14:47] <Davedan> I'm asking if it might be easier to use http-server instead
[14:48] <ivoks> how would you send data to http server? http is very bad for posting data
[14:50] <ivoks> sh... i didn't set up acl web page
[14:51] <Davedan> I'll send data to an http-server using a python script for example
[14:56] <Davedan> thank you for your kind help. bye
[14:57] <ivoks> unfortunatly, he doesn't understand basics, so it's hard to help him
[16:07] <imaginativeone> can I get LAMP help here?
[16:08] <genii> Occasionally :) Best to juust state the prob/question
[16:09] <imaginativeone> I installed LAMP via: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[16:09] <imaginativeone> however, I messed it up
[16:09] <imaginativeone> I wish to start over
[16:09] <imaginativeone> but the advice on that page seems to be missing a step
[16:13] <Jeeves_> imaginativeone: reboot and reinstall?
[16:13] <imaginativeone> reboot my server?
[16:13] <imaginativeone> won't the services just restart?
[16:13] <genii> imaginativeone: You used tasksel method?
[16:14] <imaginativeone> yes
[16:15] <imaginativeone> my browser keeps trying to open a PHTML file
[16:15] <imaginativeone> can I reverse the tasksel method?
[16:17] <genii> imaginativeone: You can use remove with it: eg:  sudo tasksel remove lamp-server            and then retry install. Not sure if the dpkg can be passed some option like --purge in that process however
[16:19] <deadbattery> anyone knows how to migrate from ubuntu desktop to ubuntu server?
[16:20] <domas> rpm -e ;-)
[16:20] <domas> ergh
[16:20] <domas> apt-get remove
[16:20] <yann2> changing the kernel I'd say? :)
[16:20] <domas> and yes, changing the kernel
[16:20] <deadbattery> yeah but
[16:20] <deadbattery> the thing is
[16:20] <deadbattery> i am in USA
[16:20] <deadbattery> server is in France
[16:20] <deadbattery> all i have is SSH
[16:20] <domas> install new kernel, reboot
[16:20] <deadbattery> wud i be able to do that with out losing any of my files?
[16:20] <domas> if doesn't come up, call datacenter monkeys and ask to bring up old kernel
[16:20] <deadbattery> too much hassle xD
[16:21] <deadbattery> so wud i do that thru SSH?
[16:22] <imaginativeone> genii: thanks a bunch
[16:22] <genii> imaginativeone: It can be that your apache does not have a handler for phtml in it's config
[16:23] <imaginativeone> deadbattery: over my head
[16:23] <imaginativeone> what is phtml?
[16:23] <ivoks> your browser thinks it can download php file
[16:23] <ivoks> you should install libapache2-mod-php5, if you haven't already
[16:24] <ivoks> or clear your browsers cache
[16:24] <genii> imaginativeone: phtml is compiled php code
[16:25] <genii> deadbattery: If you feel brave you could use kexec to load new kernel without reboot.
[16:27] <tuan123> hello everbody
[16:28] <tuan123> has someone successfully installed ubuntuserver+kvm+jeos on a hetzner server?
[16:29] <soren> tuan123: Yes.
[16:30] <tuan123> cool
[16:31] <tuan123> could you tell how to config the network correctly?
[16:31] <tuan123> i have successfuly run the vmbuilder script and my vm1 is running
[16:31] <tuan123> but i cannot connect to it per ssh
[16:32] <imaginativeone> genii: do I have to do anything special to reinstall?
[16:34] <soren> tuan123: Depends.. I've set up an elaborate NATing scheme.
[16:34] <genii> imaginativeone: Just usually tasksel again.eg:  sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[16:34] <soren> tuan123: ...but you can ask hetzner for an 8 IP subnet that you can route to, and configure a libvirt network for that.
[16:35] <imaginativeone> genii: thanks very much
[16:35] <genii> imaginativeone: You're welcome
[16:35] <tuan123> soren: oh, that sounds difficult. are there tutorials to do that?
[16:36] <tuan123> soren: you mean i should ask for another subnet?
[16:37] <soren> tuan123: Depends on what you want to do with your vms.
[16:37] <soren> If you only need outbound access, you don't need to do anything.
[16:38] <Fenix|work> Greetings!
[16:38] <tuan123> soren: i just want to have 1 host für vms and many vms as webservers
[16:38] <genii> imaginativeone: You should also look at ivoks' statement about libapache2-mod-php5 , this may be the actual underlying issue.
[16:38] <soren> tuan123: It really depends on what you're trying to achieve, really.
[16:39] <Fenix|work> any way to automate firewall drop configs on a temporary basis for people trying to bruteforce my FTP service?
[16:39] <ivoks> yes
[16:39] <soren> Fenix|work: fail2ban
[16:40] <ivoks> denyhosts also
[16:40] <ivoks> but that one is for ssh
[16:40]  * ivoks should take a look at fail2ban :D
[16:40] <tuan123> soren: i just want the simplest scenario: 1host and 5 "vserver" as webserver
[16:41] <soren> tuan123: Well, the usual way to do that is to just configure apache to have several virtualhosts.
[16:41] <soren> ...but if you want to use vm's, you need to either get some more ip addresses or set up a frontend apache server that relays requests to backend vm webservers.
[16:41] <Fenix|work> soren, is it customizable for other logs?  For instance pureftpd places these errors in /var/log/messages
[16:42] <tuan123> soren: yeah, i know. but i want 5 separate vms für each customer
[16:42] <soren> Fenix|work: It's highly customisable, yes.
[16:42] <soren> tuan123: Ok..
[16:44] <tuan123> soren: thx soren. i really need help, because i have finally build an vm, but i can not connect to it.
[16:45] <soren> tuan123: Well, of course.
[16:45] <soren> 16:42:01 < soren> ...but if you want to use vm's, you need to either get some more ip addresses or set up a frontend apache server that relays requests to backend  vm webservers.
[16:46] <tuan123> soren: i have 7 ips available
[16:46] <soren> tuan123: Oh, so you already got the subnet?
[16:46] <soren> Good, good.
[16:46] <tuan123> soren: yes
[16:46] <soren> Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[16:47] <tuan123> i have this one: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ds8000/
[16:47] <tuan123> ubuntu 8.10 min
[16:47] <tuan123> do you speak german?
[16:47] <soren> Somewhat.
[16:47] <tuan123> ok
[16:50] <tuan123> soren: i have set up a bridge br0 with the config of eth0. and it set eth0 to iface eth0 inet manual
[16:51] <soren> The easiest way to do it would be to change   <forward mode='route'/>
[16:51] <soren> Whoops
[16:52] <soren> The easiest way to do it would be to change   <forward mode='nat'/> to <forward mode='route'/>  in "virsh edit-net default"
[16:52] <soren> And change the IP's in there to match your setup.
[16:53] <tuan123> soren: thx. ok i try it now
[16:55] <Fenix|work> anyone know how to change the log file location for pure-ftpd with pure-ftpd-wrappers?
[16:58] <nomego> hey guys, trying to upgrade a feisty server, but some files doesn't seem to exist in the archives..
[16:59] <tuan123> soren: edit-net doesnt exists. where can i find the file?
[16:59] <soren> tuan123: Sorry, it's net-edit. My fault.
[17:00] <nomego> how should I go about upgrading?
[17:00] <tuan123> soren: net-edit doesnt either
[17:01] <soren> tuan123: In Intrepid?
[17:01] <tuan123> soren: yes
[17:01] <soren> tuan123: Tell me... How are you running your virtual machine?
[17:01] <tuan123> soren: per virsh start vm1
[17:02] <tuan123> soren: should i show you my config files?
[17:02] <soren> tuan123: What's the exact error message you get when you do "virsh net-edit default"?
[17:03] <tuan123> error: unknown command: 'net-edit'
[17:03]  * soren could have sworn that was available in intrepid.
[17:04] <soren> Oh, well. Do this instead:
[17:04] <soren> virsh net-dumpxml default > netdefault.xml
[17:04] <soren> edit netdefault.xml
[17:04] <soren> virsh net-define netdefault.xml
[17:04] <zoopster> soren: it's not in any path on my server
[17:06] <soren> zoopster: Who are you?
[17:06] <soren> zoopster: And what are we talking about?
[17:06] <tuan123> soren: <forward/>?
[17:06] <zoopster> soren: lurking on your dialog with tuan123
[17:06] <soren> Change it to <forward  mode='route'/>
[17:07] <soren> zoopster: And what is not in the path on your server?
[17:07] <zoopster> soren: the virsh net-edit..that command isn't available for me either...is it in a newer version?
[17:07] <soren> zoopster: What do you mean it's not in the path? You don't even have virsh?
[17:08] <tuan123> soren: but as i know i do not use this virtual adapter, instead i use br0 like in this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOSVMBuilder
[17:08] <soren> You could have mentioned that...
[17:08] <soren> Then you have to do it completely differently.
[17:09] <zoopster> soren: mistake on my terminology...virsh net-edit is not a valid command on my intrepid server...I was trying to follow along
[17:10] <tuan123> soren: sorry
[17:10] <soren> Hm, okay. Must have been a 0.5.0 thing then.
[17:10] <tuan123> soren: now i got my vm1 up running and i can connect per ssh woohhoo, BUT...
[17:10] <zoopster> soren: yea...my virsh --version is 0.4.4
[17:10] <soren> Always running the development version makes these sorts of things hard to remember :)
[17:11] <soren> zoopster: Yeah, we didn't go 0.5.0 until Jaunty.
[17:11] <soren> WEll, we skipped 0.5.0, actually and went straight to 0.5.1, but still.
[17:12] <tuan123> soren: the vm1 can only communicate with the host, but not with the internet
[17:13] <tuan123> soren: so how do config the br0 and vm1 correctly?
[17:13] <soren> I'm going to guess you've put it on qemu:///session rather than qemu:///system
[17:13] <soren> ..and with that, I'll have to bid you goodbye. I need to go get some dinner.
[17:13] <tuan123> soren: no its on qemu:///system
[17:14] <soren> Ok.
[17:14] <tuan123> soren: thank you, bye
[17:15] <soren> What you need to do is to make sure your stuff is routed properly. In both directions. This is not completely trivial.
[17:16] <tuan123> soren: do you have a good tutorial about that?
[17:17] <soren> Nope.
[17:17] <soren> I wing it :)
[17:34] <SmokeyD> hey people. DOes anybody now if there are problems running apparmor on an ubuntu hardy system in as a xen guest?
[17:35] <SmokeyD> and also, how hard is it to make apache2 be controlled by apparmor (as compared to creating a chroot jail manually)
[17:47] <MiladKhajavi> I want to go back to one of my 'screen', how can I get them back?
[17:48] <dnperfors> with CTRL-A N you go to the next screen, with CTRL-A P you go to the previous one...
[17:50] <MiladKhajavi> dnperfors: I inserted CTR-A D and know I'm in actual terminal, I want to back to my screen
[17:50] <plun> Hi all
[17:50] <plun> Anyone with knowledge about Ubuntus server guide ?
[17:50] <plun> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[17:52] <yann2> ?
[17:52] <MiladKhajavi> any one could help me?
[17:52] <dnperfors> MiladKhajavi: you detached your screen, type screen -r
[17:52] <ScottK> plun: Ask a specific question.
[17:52] <MiladKhajavi> dnperfors: thanks a lot
[17:53] <dnperfors> MiladKhajavi: your welcome :)
[17:53] <plun> ScottK: OK.... I gave a technical journalist a tip about this guide and how long will it be  "draft"   ?
[17:54] <ScottK> sommer is the one that does most of the work on it.
[17:54] <ScottK> It will be in draft until Jaunty is released.  We do a new revision for each release.
[17:55] <plun> ScottK: he was badly informed and compared a Ubuntu server with a Windows server, the local community also gave him some strange thoughts... so this one is important..  IMHO  ;)
[17:55] <zoopster> doc.ubuntu.com is the wiki for the Documentation Team - the official guides are at help.ubuntu.com
[17:55] <simplexio> anyone experienced with nfs? i have problems with stability
[17:56] <plun> ScottK :  OK !   Thanks !
[17:56] <simplexio> http://paste-bin.com/view/5dcf9274 , is that "normal" that nfs soft locks
[17:57] <ScottK> plun: There is also #ubuntu-marketing where (I think) they are prepared do deal with such questions.  This is more of a developer/user channel.
[17:57] <simplexio> or do i use some exotic argument on server wich is know to cause some problems
[17:57]  * ScottK points nijaba at the above discussion about the server guide to see if he has any better ideas.
[17:59] <plun> ScottK...well  I rather be "down"  where users knows about software....  not marketing  ;)
[17:59] <plun> And I dont like amateurs and badly written articles and bad comments from a "mob".....
[17:59] <plun> I also gave this journalist a URL to DXter which is a server member...
[18:00] <ScottK> OK, I'm just not that experienced in dealing with Journalists, that's all.
[18:02] <plun> ScottK: This one was also a software tester for a magazine so a guide is perfect for such a person  ;)
[18:02] <plun> I can also give him URLs to Howtoforge...
[18:02] <plun> Not a big deal and now he can use the Draft  ;)
[18:03] <ScottK> plun: I'd also encourage people who find problems with the guide to file bugs against ubuntu-doc so it can be improved.
[18:08] <plun> ScottK:  yup a guide must be used and kept alive....
[18:08] <plun> There are also so much old stuff floating around so this one is important for server operation, The Ubuntu way.
[18:11] <ITSBTH> Is there anyway to configure ethernet (via DHCP) using only a keyboard?
[18:12] <ITSBTH> i.e. no screen
[18:14] <simplexio> has anyone idea what network file system i could use, nfs works, but keeps failing
[18:20] <dnperfors> you could try samba or sshfs (which is not a real network-fs, but it could be usefull sometimes)
[18:22] <zoopster> ITSBTH: not sure what you mean - you can access it via ssh and want to edit the config to change it to a static from dhcp?
[18:23] <ITSBTH> No, it does not connect to the network at the moment
[19:45] <deadbattery> this is weired
[19:45] <deadbattery> i start apache2 up
[19:45] <deadbattery> and then
[19:46] <deadbattery> it starts to decrease in performance
[19:46] <deadbattery> anyone know why
[19:46] <deadbattery> ?
[19:55] <middreks> hello, what would be the best solution for a rather small network (onyl 12 clients; vista and xp mixed) to manage the users time they have been logged in so far? i tried chillispot yesterday, because most of them use the pcs for hanging on the web, but i failed installing it.
[20:12] <crazygir> how do you rest ethX mapping for nics in udev?
[20:12] <maxb> s/rest/reset/?
[20:13] <crazygir> yes :P
[20:13] <maxb>  /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[20:13]  * crazygir looks
[20:16] <crazygir> thanks :)
[20:19] <tonyyarusso> OOOO, that is good to know.  My laptop seems to swap them randomly every time I reinstall.
[20:30] <pmatulis> anyone know of any ubuntu-friendly virtual domain mail hosting software (a la cpanel)?
[21:04] <crazygir> given that ubuntu is based on debian, are most debian resources/information applicable?
[21:05] <pmatulis> sure
[21:09] <crazygir> cool :)
[21:09] <crazygir> apologies for the noob questions, but I'm from the BSD world, and had really only used gentoo in my linux days
[21:24] <SmokeyD> ﻿hey people. I remember reading somewhere there is a problem running apparmor in hardy server running as a ﻿xen guest system
[21:24] <SmokeyD> ﻿do I remember correctly?
[21:36] <danopia> hi!
[21:37] <danopia> my server's apt uses hardy, shold i try "upgrading" to intrepid?
[21:42] <crazygir> is setting up vmware in ubuntu-server any different from other linux distros?
[21:43] <andol> danopia: Are there any feautures in intrepid which you are missing in hardy?
[21:43] <danopia> andol, well, apt is failing :P
[21:43] <danopia> and i was told that intrepid might help
[21:43] <danopia> not sure though
[21:44] <andol> danopia: I think it ough to be possible to have a working apt in Hardy as well :)
[21:44] <andol> danopia: What is wrong with your apt?
[21:44] <danopia> andol,
[21:44] <danopia> http://danopia.pastebin.com/mc0df40e
[21:44] <danopia> yay clipboard lag
[21:44] <andol> crazygir: It should basically be the same, but some details might difer.
[21:45] <andol> crazygir: This page might help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[21:47]  * crazygir nods
[21:48] <andol> danopia: Had this trouble myself a few time. It usualy help by trying to manually install the complaing package. That one might inturn complain on another package, etc. If you follow that chain to its end it will usually work then.
[21:48] <andol> danopia: an extra apt-get update might not hurt :)
[21:48] <danopia> andol, i've updated like 4 times so far though :P
[21:49] <andol> danopia: Ok, then you'r probably set on that part :)
[21:50] <kansan> anyone here use runit?
[21:51] <kansan> i'm having trouble figuring out http://smarden.org/runit/useinit.html ...
[22:05] <kansan> i want to edit the crontab file for the root user..... is there a way i can just place/replace a file on the system that cron uses?  (im scripting stuff and would prefer not to have to do: crontab -e)
[22:25] <rdw200169> kansan, well, there are the cron.* directories
[22:26] <rdw200169> kansan, for example, if you put a file in /etc/cron.d/ that conforms to the crontab type entry, cron will track it
[22:27] <rdw200169> kansan, various packages do this, like anacron, john, php5, and postgresql-common on my system
[22:27] <rdw200169> kansan, you've probably got anacron, so you should check the format of their file, and adjust accordingly, i.e. /etc/cron.d/anacron
[22:28] <kansan> i wad thinking of clobbering /etc/crontab
[22:28] <kansan> was thinking of
[22:28] <kansan> to add new commands
[22:29] <rdw200169> kansan, personally, would consider it easier to just chmod files in /etc/cron.d/, but that's just me ;)
[22:30] <kansan> how do i make vim the default editor for cron
[22:30] <hads> export VISUAL=vim
[22:31] <rdw200169> kansan, chances are you should be able to change that in /etc/alternatives also
[22:31] <rdw200169> kansan, the /usr/bin/editor is a symlinked to the editor of choice
[22:32] <axisys> where can I find the dapper for sparc64?
[22:32] <axisys> dont see it in ports.ubuntu.com
[22:32] <axisys> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/dapper/main/ not here
[22:32] <axisys> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/dapper-updates/main/ not here either
[22:33] <axisys> or sparc even..
[22:33] <axisys> found one for hardy
[22:33] <axisys> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/
[22:34] <axisys> i am going to try that again.. i think it was failing to find a archive during install
[22:38] <rdw200169> kansan, for example, when i run 'update-alternatives --config editor'
[22:38] <kansan> ah ha
[22:38] <rdw200169> kansan, and switch it to /bin/nano, crontab -e opens in nano instead of vim
[22:38] <kansan> switch it to VIM ! ;p
[22:38] <rdw200169> kansan, and likewise for /usr/bin/vim etc...
[22:39] <rdw200169> kansan, i tested it, and it works for me, so it should work for you too.  it's the easiest way to swap editors
[22:40] <kansan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:40] <MianoSM> if you want to change the default editor add this to your .bashrc:
[22:40] <kansan> how do ir ecover?
[22:40] <MianoSM> export EDITOR=vim
[22:40] <kansan> ah good
[22:40] <MianoSM> Now your crontab -e will be defaulted to vim, you may have to logout/log back in, but that will work for you kansan
[22:41] <kansan> yes i already have a .bashrc
[22:41] <kansan> 'so i'll it there
[22:41] <MianoSM> well the export most likely won't be there, but you can add it to the ~/.bashrc
[22:42] <rdw200169> why do an export, when the whole purpose of /etc/alternatives is to alleviate that problem?
[22:43] <kansan> is there a way i can configure mysql server from the command line?  i am scripting its installation so i cant be there to use dpkg ui
[22:43] <MianoSM> rdw200169: /etc/alternatives is distribution specific.
[22:43] <MianoSM> I am showing a way to do it in more distributions, just in case.
[22:44] <rdw200169> MianoSM, and this is a distribution specific channel ;)
[22:44] <MianoSM> rdw200169: It is for sure, but I always try to have an open mind. That is what led most of us here in the first place. ;)
[22:45] <MianoSM> I'm not a fan of going to open source conventions and hearing people bash off the shelf products or M$ either though, I am of the paradigm that there is a correct tool for every and any situation(s). :)
[22:48] <Davedan> can I run a script whenever the package manager (apt-get install) installes or update a package?
[22:56] <gorkof44> is anyonE HERE?
[22:59] <erichammond> !ask
[23:00] <Davedan> what is the root mail and how do I get the messages sent to it?
[23:05] <axisys> looks like gutsy gibbon (7.10) detects the disks on t1000 and any ubuntu version above that fails
[23:08] <axisys> i picked LVM
[23:08] <axisys> now  LV tmp as ext3 is recommended .. can I choose that as swap instead
[23:08] <axisys> ?
[23:09] <axisys> or leave it as it is?
[23:17] <axisys> will ubuntu can take advantage of 8 core t1000 ?
[23:17] <axisys> i know solaris folks would say no
[23:22] <domas> axisys: how do you define "take advantage"
[23:22] <domas> axisys: it is just plenty of threads
[23:22] <domas> you need application level parallelism
[23:22] <domas> etc
[23:26] <gouki> Hi everyone. I'm hosting a website that requires me to generate several locales for Apache to properly display the .mo files. Instead of generating all of them manually (locale-gen X) is there something I can do to generate all?
[23:26] <domas> for i in *; do locale-gen $i; done
[23:26] <domas> :)
[23:27] <gouki> domas, well, that's good :)
[23:27] <hads> EDITOR or VISUAL will work
[23:27] <andol> gouki: /var/lib/locales/supported.d/
[23:29] <gouki> andol, how can that prevent me from generating them manually? Sorry, I don't follow.
[23:31] <hads> rdw200169: One reason to use the VISUAL variable over /etc/alternatives (or vice versa) is if it's wanted on a user by user basis.
[23:31] <Gorlist> just reimaged my server to 8.04 LTS, (and installed Plesk) but just noticed my partion size for the var directory is too small. only 4.3 gig...   I need to resize it (take some away from home), how would you recommend doing this - gparted??
[23:31] <Gorlist> and its got to be done via ssh
[23:31] <rdw200169> hads, fine.  you win.  i was thinking of that.
[23:32] <rdw200169> Gorlist, are you collocated w/the server?  i.e., are you running headless?
[23:32] <hads> rdw200169: I don't want to win :) There's valid reasons for using both
[23:32] <Gorlist> rdw200169, how do you mean? (headless?)
[23:32] <Gorlist> oh no
[23:32] <rdw200169> Gorlist, headless means no monitor/keyboard
[23:32] <Gorlist> sorry
[23:32] <Gorlist> its sitting 1000 mile saway
[23:32] <Gorlist> away
[23:33] <rdw200169> Gorlist, oh!  well, i'm not sure how your system is set up... but in order to change the partition sizes you must unmount them first... thereby killing the server...
[23:33] <Gorlist> oh.
[23:34] <Gorlist> erm
[23:34] <rdw200169> Gorlist, now, you could do some roundabout crazy stuff, like create a /var partition on a separate drive, switch it over in /etc/fstab, and so on...
[23:34] <andol> gouki: only partly I guess :) By listing your locales in files inside that folder they will all be generaed wih the command "locale-gen", without any paramaters. A benifit of having them in that folder is whenever an upgrades feels the need to regenerate your locales, all those in that folder will autmaticly be generated.
[23:34] <Gorlist> thats not terribly good as I have no access, and the image is predefined. Home directory ive got 64 gigs worth which I certainly don't need
[23:35] <rdw200169> Gorlist, well, you do have another option.
[23:35] <hads> bind mounts or symlinks or some other ugly solution
[23:35] <rdw200169> Gorlist, you *could* perform a symlink of /var to a directory inside of /home
[23:35] <rdw200169> hads, Gorlist yes, a very dirty solution
[23:35] <rdw200169> hads, but it *would* get you a lot more room to work with
[23:35] <hads> Yah
[23:36] <rdw200169> hads, the best way to do this would be to use something other than /var, like /opt or /home for /var/www for example
[23:36] <Gorlist> rdw200169, hmm,
[23:36] <gouki> andol, got it! That is indeed a good policy. Generating them all, as domas said, will also get them listed there. Correct?
[23:36] <hads> You can probably move it around enough to reboot without /var mounted and then resize.
[23:36] <rdw200169> Gorlist, sorry, the message i gave hads i meant for you
[23:36] <Gorlist> rdw200169, problem with plesk is it it stores all of the domains, and what not in var
[23:37] <rdw200169> Gorlist, well, you *can* trick plesk
[23:37] <rdw200169> Gorlist, using symlinks, etc...
[23:37] <Gorlist> rdw200169, what about security?
[23:37] <rdw200169> Gorlist, that doesn't matter.  just make sure your links have the correct permissions
[23:37] <Gorlist> rdw200169, I will have to readup on it, ive never done it before - thanks for the suggestion
[23:38] <rdw200169> Gorlist, the bigger problem is with filling up the disk(s).  /var/ is generally meant for directories/files that tend to fill up
[23:38] <rdw200169> Gorlist, but you can make that much more manageable by using something like monit to alert you when the disk, partition, whatever starts to fill up
[23:38] <Gorlist> http://pastebin.com/m6a80439c
[23:38] <Gorlist> thats the partion layout
[23:39] <Gorlist> unless ive missed something
[23:39] <gouki> And domas, BTW, locale-gen with a wildcard doesn't work.
[23:40] <rdw200169> Gorlist, hmm.. interesting that you're stuck with so much in /home!
[23:40] <Gorlist> yes considering the image is supplied by a webhosting firm.. crazy
[23:41] <rdw200169> Gorlist, your situation is why they have LVM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
[23:41] <rdw200169> Gorlist, but it's a little late to change now, i think ;)
[23:42] <Gorlist>  :) well im going to have todo something soon as its a fairly large community site
[23:42] <Gorlist> ive got Raid 1
[23:43] <rdw200169> Gorlist, well, there's this:
[23:44] <rdw200169> Gorlist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/RAID1%2BLVM
[23:45] <Gorlist> rdw200169, will have to read through, I might first see if I can restore the data with the space I have to give some breathing
[23:46] <rdw200169> Gorlist, you could, also, set up plesk such that it has it's own home folder for all its /var/ stuff
[23:46] <rdw200169> Gorlist, then symlink, for example, /home/plesk to /var/plesk
[23:46] <Gorlist> again I wouldn't know where to begin im afraid - I could only pre-read so much
[23:47] <rdw200169> Gorlist, well, do you know what directory plesk keeps all its stuff in?
[23:47] <Gorlist> this is their article: http://kb.parallels.com/article_17_819_en.html
[23:48] <Gorlist> but a small section is plesk itself is installed to /opt/psa
[23:48] <rdw200169> Gorlist, ah, this thing does it all i see
[23:49] <Gorlist> yes,
[23:50] <Gorlist> at the moment its really easy to do a fresh install
[23:51] <Gorlist> as the data is backed up on a secured ftp
[23:55] <gouki> BTW, found a list on /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED. I'll just cat that into supported.d/local and dpkg-reconfigure locales.