[02:04] <BattleStarJesus> I am trying to configure my computer so that I can log into it, using a GUI interface, from a remote location.  I have come here for tutorial advice.  Suggestions?
[03:08] <club-inntegrapv> hello
[03:08] <club-inntegrapv> good nite guys
[03:11] <club-inntegrapv> can anyone help me pls, i have a toshiba satellite L35 SP 1011 i had xubuntu 8.04 after upgrading to xubuntu intrepid i got no sound, i this happens after the upgrade can somebody tell me how to fix this, cause so far on xubuntu intrepid theres no much help on this matter
[03:51] <kb3ui> What's the easiest way to tell what version of xubuntu I'm running, from the desktop?  How can I tell if I'm running 8.04 or 8.10?
[03:53] <kb3ui> uuname -A will tell you what version of the kernel I'm running, but nothing about Ubuntu.
[03:54] <kb3ui> ﻿What's the easiest way to tell what version of xubuntu I'm running, from the desktop?  How can I tell if I'm running 8.04 or 8.10?
[04:06] <kb3ui> I realize that people are "here", but not really "here".  That is, they are making transcripts but not actually monitoring real time.  No problem - will check back some other time.
[04:06] <kb3ui> Kption and slimjimflim: ﻿What's the easiest way to tell what version of xubuntu I'm running, from the desktop?  How can I tell if I'm running 8.04 or 8.10?
[04:07] <slimjimflim> cd #wine
[04:07] <slimjimflim> oops
[04:07] <kb3ui> No problem!
[04:07] <slimjimflim> brain fart ;)
[04:07] <kb3ui> Happens to us all!
[04:07] <kb3ui> But it's going to cost you.  do you know the answer to my question?
[04:07] <slimjimflim> maybe
[04:08] <kb3ui> My hopes are up!
[04:08] <slimjimflim> don't ask to ask, just ask
[04:08] <kb3ui> Sorry.  I've already asked, but got no response.  Guess most people aren't here in real time.
[04:09] <slimjimflim> you have 2 seconds to ask or i'm going to #wine like i originally planned
[04:09] <kb3ui> ﻿What's the easiest way to tell what version of xubuntu I'm running, from the desktop?  How can I tell if I'm running 8.04 or 8.10?
[04:09] <slimjimflim> type uname -r into your shell, and put it into google
[04:09] <slimjimflim> and type xubuntu or something
[04:10] <slimjimflim> in your google query
[04:10] <slimjimflim> capiche?
[04:10] <kb3ui> That gives me the kernel I'm running, but not the version of Ubuntu.
[04:10] <kb3ui> Don't understand what Google has to do with it...
[04:11] <kb3ui> I'm running right now on a Ubuntu desktop.  How can I tell what version it is of Ubuntu, not the kernel.
[04:11] <kb3ui> ?
[04:11] <kb3ui> Oh, are you suggesting how I could find an answer to my question?
[04:11] <kb3ui> through Google?
[04:11] <slimjimflim> oh you're right
[04:12] <slimjimflim> idk
[04:12] <kb3ui> No problem!  I'll still like you even if you don't know the answer :)
[04:13] <kb3ui> That's a good suggestion.  But I'll still hold out for the moment for an answer, if anyone else here knows.
[04:15] <slimjimflim> gimme a sec
[04:15] <kb3ui> Ok.
[04:16] <slimjimflim> got it
[04:16] <slimjimflim> i think
[04:16] <kb3ui> I'm ready!
[04:16] <slimjimflim> cat /etc/issue
[04:16] <slimjimflim> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-tell-what-version-of-ubuntu-you-are-running/
[04:17] <kb3ui> That worked!  Thanks!  Ubuntu 8.04.1
[04:17] <rocko> i see
[04:18] <slimjimflim> you're welcome, kb3ui
[04:19] <kb3ui> Seems as something that should be obvious, but isn't.  And it can be important, especially if someone is trying to help  you with something, or vice versa.
[04:19] <slimjimflim> yup
[04:19] <slimjimflim> i'm outa here
[04:20] <kb3ui> Me too.
[04:40] <Mood> anyone know if /dev/loop0 is open by default?
[04:54] <TiZ> Hi. I'd like to install xubuntu into my current ubuntu installation, which has had the crap tweaked out of it. A quick "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" into tilda wants to remove Splashy and Wicd. Is there any way for me to avoid this?
[07:27] <DionysuZ> someone around who can help me get my wlan functioning in xubuntu 8.10?
[07:51] <rocko> I reformatted my swap and it is not using it now what should I do?
[11:27] <LukaszJ> Hey there
[11:28] <jarnos> LukaszJ: hi
[11:36] <LukaszJ> Anyone of you uses a uvcvideo driver ?
[12:35] <domenic> hey
[12:44] <domenic> hey my screen is tiny and i cant see anything much it all out of view,
[12:44] <domenic> sorry
[12:45] <domenic> i cant really see what im typifng
[12:45] <domenic> i ran xrandr
[12:45] <domenic> but no avail, it says set to max resolution
[12:45] <jarnos> domenic: so how can you see what I am typing?
[12:45] <domenic> the bar where i type is out of view
[12:46] <domenic> but the other bt is OK
[12:46] <jarnos> domenic: you can move window by alt-dragging it.
[12:46] <domenic> im on a acer one laptop
[12:46] <domenic> alt-draggin?
[12:46] <domenic> im runnign fluxbox
[12:47] <domenic> the screen looks like the font size is too big
[12:47] <jarnos> domenic: this is for Xubuntu
[12:47] <domenic> and this only happened after i reinstalled
[12:47] <domenic> yeah
[12:47] <domenic> xubuntu running fluxbox :P
[12:47] <domenic> not fluxbuntu
[12:48] <domenic> anyone else riunning xubuntu onn a acer one lappy?
[12:49] <jarnos> domenic: Maybe #fluxbox knows more about its settings?
[12:49] <domenic> yeah i will try there
[12:50] <domenic> but they will probs say to come here :P
[13:29] <LukaszJ> I've compiled myself an update version of the uvcvideo driver, which I tried to load in the kernel hoping to get my webcam to work with it. I've used svn to fetch & build from the scratch. The module won't load getting me with an error. I'm pasting for you the steps taken http://pastebin.com/m17fdada5
[13:36] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: apparently it's compiled for a different kernel :/
[13:36] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: btw, v4l2 should support your webcam
[14:31] <LukaszJ> TheSheep: Let me quote you, if don't mind :"apparently it's compiled for a different kernel :/" How is that possible? I downloaded the sources and just built them with "make". Well, what config file into the sources I should look for?
[14:32] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: from what little I know, compiling kernel modules on debian-based distros like ubuntu is a little more complicated
[14:32] <TheSheep> !kernel
[14:32] <LukaszJ> TheSheep: Ever done it yourself?
[14:32] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: I think you should use something called module assistant
[14:33] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: no, can't say I did -- I came from much simplier distros
[14:34] <LukaszJ> TheSheep: I 've already considered using it. However, seeing that "uvcvideo" is supplied by the Ubuntu kernel, so isn't "3rd party", I built it myself.
[14:35]  * LukaszJ is thinking how to fix it...
[14:35] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: there is an option saying whether to include version info with the symbols...
[14:36] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: maybe just disabling it would make it work....
[14:38] <LukaszJ> TheSheep: I've already heard about that regarding depmod, do you mean the same?
[14:39] <TheSheep> I really don't remember where this option is, it's definitely in the kernel config (make menuconfig, etc.), but it may be also available when building particular modules
[14:39] <TheSheep> LukaszJ: whatever I did with kernel was in the times of 2.2.x ;)
[14:40] <LukaszJ> TheSheep: Thanks anyway
[14:55] <qkr> hi all
[14:56] <Myrtti> hi qkr
[14:56] <qkr> I installed xubuntu and it worked fine, but then I ran automatic updates, and then my network connection doesn't work anymore
[14:56] <Myrtti> which version of xubuntu?
[14:56] <qkr> 8.10 i386
[14:59] <qkr> any tips?
[15:00] <Myrtti> which make is your NIC?
[15:00] <qkr> I have no idea, it's built-in, it's a laptop
[15:00] <qkr> or a netbook actually
[15:01] <LukaszJ> I've installed a svn version of the uvcvideo module, to get my webcam to work. It's already compiled but fail to load with http://pastebin.com/m17fdada5 . I didn't use "checkinstall" but "make install", I'd be happy to get a complete rid of it and get back to the previous module, or, at least remove it along with the stuff it has installed.
[15:02] <Myrtti> qkr: could you do a "lspci" and upload the output to a pastebin such as http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[15:02] <qkr> thx
[15:06] <qkr> realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E pci express fast ethernet
[15:06] <Myrtti> ok
[15:07] <Myrtti> qkr: are you by any chance using MSI Wind?
[15:08] <qkr> nope, Acer Aspire One
[15:09] <Myrtti> is it wireless that is broken, or the wired connection?
[15:10] <qkr> wired
[15:11] <Myrtti> looking at the bugreports and forums it seems that you've hit a bug
[15:11] <LukaszJ> qkr: Can you check "sudo ifconfig" and tell us if the net devices are up?
[15:12] <LukaszJ> He quit, probably.
[15:13] <qkr> ifconfig shows the ethernet device, it just doesn't have IP address, and it has lots of dropped RX packets
[15:14] <LukaszJ> qkr: Are you using DHCP?
[15:15] <qkr> yeah think so
[15:17] <LukaszJ> qkr: How is your eth device labeled ? It should be "eth*" something, is it?
[15:17] <TheSheep> or wlan0
[15:18] <qkr> eth0
[15:18] <TheSheep> ah, wired
[15:18] <TheSheep> sorry
[15:19] <LukaszJ> TheSheep: :)
[15:20] <LukaszJ> qkr: Then, try "sudo dhclient eth0", after it's done send a ping to a host.
[15:24] <qkr> it's not working
[15:26] <LukaszJ> hmm
[15:26] <Myrtti> looks to me like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/313866
[15:27] <LukaszJ> Type "lshw -C network|grep eth" and look at the driver section and tell us its name, ok?
[15:29] <LukaszJ> Myrtti: Just had a look, it might be related.
[15:29] <LukaszJ> qkr: What kernel do you  use?
[15:32] <qkr> driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI
[15:32] <qkr> at product and vendor it says: Illegal Vendor ID
[15:33] <qkr> I don't know what kernel I got, whatever is current probably
[15:34] <LukaszJ> qkr: It's easy to find out, just type "uname -r"
[15:34] <qkr> 2.6.27-11
[15:37] <LukaszJ> Well, it seems to be just the bug Myrth passed you the link to. Have a look there, it's been confirmed by the Ubuntu team, means the fix will be released rather soon. To be sure you can try "dmesg" and compare it with the other users logs in the bug report. Am I clear? :)
[15:39] <qkr> yeah that was the problem, I am using now 2.6.27-7 and it works
[15:41] <LukaszJ> qkr: Useful to conserve the old kernels after the ugrade, isn't ? ;)
[15:41] <qkr> yeah seems to be, luckily it conserved it by default
[15:42] <LukaszJ> qkr: Hmm, it might be that the most previous version gets saved automatically, but, I'm not sure.
[15:43] <LukaszJ> qkr: You'd rather subscribe to the bug site on Launchpad, so you get notified when the fix is ready
[15:45] <qkr> thanks
[15:47] <qkr> maybe it will be fixed on the next kernel
[15:57] <LukaszJ> qkr: Probably
[16:26] <mchelen> how do i use my bluetooth headset in xubuntu?
[16:29] <TheSheep> !bluetooth
[16:31] <mchelen> can i install the gnome system tray utility, or is that a bad idea?
[16:31] <TheSheep> I think there is no alternative
[16:31] <mchelen> there are instructions for using cli
[16:33] <wolfjb> how do you add an application from the applications menu to the panel? I've tried various dragging techniques none of which work
[16:34] <mchelen> you have to add the launcher manually, right click the panel and pick add item
[16:41] <wolfjb> well, for example, I'd like to add emacs to the panel, emacs however doesn't show up in the list of items. So I'm forced to find the icons and the launch commands manually. is there not a better way?
[16:42] <TheSheep> you can drag-and-drop the launcher from /usr/share/applications  to the list in launcher settings
[16:44] <wolfjb> TheSheep: sweet! that is exactly what I needed to know, thanks!
[18:24] <lulemurfan> can i get to my shared documents on my windows machine iva my network? it's the first time using this version of ubuntu
[18:26] <lulemurfan> can i get to my shared documents on my windows machine iva my network? it's the first time using this version of ubuntu
[18:28] <lulemurfan> can i have some help?can i get to my shared documents on my windows machine iva my network? it's the first time using this version of ubuntu
[18:28] <fortunev> how do I get the System button to show up on the top pannel?
[18:29] <fortunev> lulemurfan - usually someone will show up after a while
[18:31] <lc2> lulemurfan: yeah you can
[18:31] <lc2> you can either use gnome's file manager, or anything else that supports SMB
[18:31] <lulemurfan> lc2 - how?
[18:32] <lc2> or you can use fuse smbfs to give yourself a network browser type thing
[18:32] <lulemurfan> what about network printers?
[18:36] <lc2> yeah they should work just fine
[18:36] <lc2> as i recall the printer setup will probe network printers all by itself
[18:37] <fortunev> lc2 - should I see a system button in the top pannel?
[18:37] <lc2> fortunev: nope
[18:37] <fortunev> kay
[18:37] <lc2> it depends on what you mean by "system button"
[18:38] <lc2> i've not used any other flavour of ubuntu, so i don't know what the others have up there
[18:38] <fortunev> the poket guid says there are three buttons (xubunut) applications|places|system. Is that what you have?
[18:38] <fortunev> I only have two Applications|Places
[18:40] <lc2> hmmm
[18:40] <lc2> you should get the guide corrected
[18:40] <fortunev> so you have two then?
[18:40] <lc2> plain old ubuntu might have a system button, but xubuntu certainly does not
[18:40] <lc2> yes, i have two
[18:40] <fortunev> Ok.. Thanks!
[18:41] <lc2> fortunev: where did you get the pocket guide?
[18:41] <lc2> i'm thinking it's worth reporting a documentation bug
[18:42] <fortunev> xubuntu site link led to it. Can not remember exactly where, but is mentions 8.10, so it is not very old
[18:42] <fortunev> I will see If I can track it down. hold on a sec
[18:43] <fortunev> ok al stop... the guide is for straight ubuntu and not explicitly xubuntu
[18:45] <lulemurfan> i'm getting an error once i login - 'could not look up internett for linux. This will prevent Xfce working problery. then something about linux file /etc/hosts - anyhelp please?
[18:45] <lc2> wtf
[18:45] <lc2> fortunev: oh, that makes all the difference
[18:45] <lc2> ubuntu does things differently
[18:46] <lc2> lulemurfan: will you please write down the error message and quote it word-for-word?
[18:46] <lulemurfan> ok, wait i'll log out and then back in
[18:47] <Guest25875> Hey  is anybody home?
[18:48] <lc2> yessir
[18:49] <lulemurfan> lc2: it's problery something that i've done! - here it is: 'Could not look up internet address for linuz. This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding linux to the file /etc/hosts on your system'
[18:49] <lc2> ah is linuz the name of your computer?
[18:49] <lulemurfan> yes
[18:50] <lc2> okay, do you mean linuz or linux?
[18:50] <lulemurfan> linux - very original - i know!!!
[18:50] <lc2> okay
[18:50] <lc2> then try this, and please type this exactly
[18:51] <lc2> uh hold on
[18:52] <lc2> okay never mind
[18:52] <lc2> try:
[18:52] <lc2> gksudo /etc/hosts
[18:52] <lc2> add a line like this, at the end, all by itself:
[18:52] <lc2> 127.0.0.1 linux
[18:53] <lc2> oh crap sorry
[18:53] <lc2> gksudo mousepad /etc/hosts
[18:54] <lc2> then do what i said
[18:54] <lulemurfan> then save?
[18:54] <lulemurfan> that was a stupid question!
[18:54] <Guest87467> Cool, just wondering if anyone knows the best  way to solve sound problems in Xubuntu for the Yamaha  OPL SA3 chipset? I am pretty much  of  a newbie when it comes  to Linux. I have considerable Windows experience but this is my first  Linux  install.
[18:55] <lc2> lulemurfan: yessir
[18:55] <lc2> Guest87467: it depends what your problem is
[18:56] <Guest87467> Well it don't werk... ;) At all... the sound that is.
[18:57] <lc2> Guest87467: i'm not being condescending, but ensure that it's not muted
[18:57] <Guest87467> I understand that ALSA is installed with the Xubuntu distribution by default  unless I am mistakeen.
[18:57] <lc2> the xfce mixer does not have a mute button, so it's impossible to tell when it is muted
[18:57] <lc2> try a different mixer, like kmix
[18:58] <Guest87467> Oh no offense taken  I am so new  with Linux at this point that  I don't even know how  to do that at this  point.
[18:58] <lc2> Guest87467: i'm not new to linux, and i spent hours debugging a "sound problem" which turned out to be the sound being muted
[18:58] <Guest87467> I do  know that when I open a mixer, it shows nothing.
[18:59] <lc2> it shows nothing?
[18:59] <Guest87467> It is quite like the sound chipset is  not even detected.
[18:59] <Guest87467> Nope, nothing.
[18:59] <lc2> hm
[18:59] <lc2> go to a terminal for me
[18:59] <lc2> lsmod | grep snd
[19:00] <lc2> then go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste the results
[19:00] <Guest87467> I  have read  that there   has  been some    problems getting this chipset working...
[19:00] <lc2> ah
[19:01] <Guest87467> But   it show  up as supported in the  current version of ALSA, however I am not to familiar with Linux instalations through a terminal just yet.
[19:01] <Guest87467> I   am running 8.10 though.
[19:02] <lc2> Guest87467: just go to a terminal and paste what i told you to, it'll tell us whether it was detected or not
[19:02] <ruben_> Hello
[19:03] <lc2> hi ruben_
[19:03] <ruben_> How big should I make partitions on a 10 Gb Hdd?
[19:03] <lc2> ruben_: are you dual-booting?
[19:03] <ruben_> No
[19:03] <lc2> ruben_: how much RAM do you have?
[19:03] <ruben_> Just xubuntu 8.10
[19:03] <ruben_> 384 mb
[19:04] <lc2> hey same as me
[19:04] <ruben_> Cool
[19:04] <lc2> ruben_: i'd give it 512mb to 1gb of swap and the rest for your root FS
[19:05] <lc2> hold on i'll see what i have
[19:05] <ruben_> Should I do a /home partiton?
[19:05] <ruben_> Thanks
[19:06] <lc2> okay yeah, i have a gig for swap, so i recommend you do the same
[19:06] <ruben_> But no /home?
[19:06] <Guest87467> lsmod returned a bunch of stuff.
[19:06] <lc2> and no, no need to put /home on a separate partition
[19:06] <lc2> Guest87467: it has to be lsmod | grep snd
[19:06] <ruben_> Cool
[19:07] <ruben_> Thank you very much
[19:07] <lc2> Guest87467: anyway, go to paste.ubuntu.com
[19:07] <Guest87467> grep snd nothing.
[19:07] <lc2> Guest87467: oh crap
[19:07] <Guest87467> na   juust kid  of didn't even return  the  prompt.
[19:07] <Guest87467> er just
[19:08] <lc2> yeah i know what you mean
[19:08] <lc2> try
[19:08] <lc2> sudo modprobe
[19:08] <lc2> oops!
[19:08] <lc2> premature enter
[19:08] <lc2> modprobe opl3sa2
[19:08] <lc2> sudo modprobe opl3sa2
[19:08] <lc2> that is
[19:08] <Guest87467> ahhh okey gotta   be   root eh?
[19:09] <lc2> Guest87467: yeah to load kernel modules
[19:10] <Guest87467> Hmm gonna have to close and reopen my terminal,  kinda semi  hung.
[19:11] <lc2> hm okay
[19:12] <Guest87467> FATAL: Module opl3sa2 not found.
[19:12] <lc2> wait what
[19:12] <Guest87467> Hehe doncha love that    one??? :)
[19:13] <lc2> yeah apparently that module doesn't exist anymore
[19:13] <lc2> next up
[19:13] <lc2> lspci
[19:14] <lc2> dump the results at paste.ubuntu.com
[19:14] <Guest87467> Bunch  a stuff
[19:14] <lc2> actually, even better
[19:14] <lc2> lspci -v
[19:14] <Guest87467> I can   paste if it will allow about  a paragraph.
[19:15] <lc2> you should have many, many paragraphs of stuff
[19:15] <lc2> hence, use the pastebin above
[19:15] <Guest87467> Yeah, many, many paragraphs  now.
[19:19] <Guest87467> Hmm don't see anything about  a sound chipset though.
[19:19] <lc2> let me see
[19:20] <Guest87467> The computer is a laptop... Toshiba Tecra  8000... the specs say  it  should have that Yamaha sound chipset  that I  mentioned earlier.
[19:20] <lc2> Guest87467: show me your paste
[19:20] <Guest87467> All of those paragraphs?
[19:20] <Guest87467> Here?
[19:20] <lc2> go to paste.ubuntu.com and paste it there
[19:21] <Guest87467> Or on the website... ahhh  ok...
[19:21] <lc2> yes :)
[19:24] <Guest87467> I have the  lspci -v  paste up do you want the other  one as well?
[19:24] <lc2> i'd like to see the -v one
[19:24] <Guest87467> I  am assuming that that  is a rundown of installed pci devices?
[19:25] <Guest87467> Ok that is  the -v  one that is   up.
[19:25] <Guest87467> Posted under the name Charles
[19:25] <lc2> Guest87467: give me the link, please
[19:25] <Guest87467> ahh  okey   that  prolly would helh  hunh?
[19:25] <lc2> yes :)
[19:26] <Guest87467> http://paste.ubuntu.com/113322/
[19:26] <MaxHavoc> Is there a lock workstation function in Xubuntu?
[19:27] <Stroganoff> MaxHavoc: yes, it's somewhere in the screensaver settings
[19:27] <lc2> Guest87467: okay i have a suspicion here
[19:28] <lc2> Guest87467: before we go on, you are absolutely certain that you actually have a soundcard, right? ;)
[19:28] <MaxHavoc> Stroganoff, I see an option to lock screen when the screensaver is active, but how can I do it at will?
[19:28] <Guest87467> Yeah me too... it ain't werkin' ;)
[19:28] <Stroganoff> MaxHavoc: Press System ? Quit... ? Lock Screen.
[19:28] <Stroganoff> ? = ->
[19:28] <lc2> Stroganoff: there is no such thing
[19:28] <lc2> MaxHavoc: you can make your own
[19:29] <lc2> add a launcher with the command:
[19:29] <lc2> xscreensaver-command -lock
[19:29] <lc2> iirc
[19:29] <Guest87467> Well it is a lap-top I bought it used a few days ago but the chip set   is on the main board.
[19:29] <MaxHavoc> lc2, Thanks
[19:29] <lc2> MaxHavoc: np
[19:29] <Stroganoff> MaxHavoc: another one: Control+Alt+L
[19:29] <Guest87467> At least it should be.
[19:30] <lc2> Guest87467: okay, well, i think there's one possible solution, which is that you need to go into your BIOS setup and find an option called something like "PnP OS"
[19:30] <MaxHavoc> Stroganoff, Hmm...doesn't work form e
[19:30] <lc2> Stroganoff: doesn't work on xubuntu
[19:30] <Stroganoff> oh i thought i was in the ubuntu channel :D
[19:30] <MaxHavoc> Stroganoff, lol
[19:30] <lc2> o ;D
[19:30] <Guest87467> Hmm yeah, been in the bios but didn't think about that.
[19:30] <lc2> Guest87467: anyway, look for that option, and turn it off
[19:31] <lc2> then come back, and if you still have a problem we'll work through that
[19:32] <Guest87467> Ok will do that. See ya in a bit if not resolved. Thanx for your time. So far this is better than Windows tech support. :)
[19:32] <lc2> Guest87467: haha i know windows tech support
[19:32] <MaxHavoc> lc2, Is Xscreensaver not installed by default?
[19:32] <lc2> "uh you should probably just reinstall"
[19:32] <lc2> fuck those guys
[19:32] <lc2> MaxHavoc: it's the default screensaver daemon on xubuntu
[19:32] <MaxHavoc> It's telling me I need to install it via apt
[19:33] <lc2> wait what
[19:33] <Guest87467> Yeah, I became my own Windows Tech Support... decided it was time to get experienced with Linux now. :)
[19:33] <Guest87467> Anyway see ya... going  to   poke around in  my bios. :)
[19:33] <MaxHavoc> ben@Xubuntu:/usr/local/bin$ xscreensaver -command -lock
[19:33] <MaxHavoc> The program 'xscreensaver' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:33] <MaxHavoc> sudo apt-get install xscreensaver
[19:33] <MaxHavoc> bash: xscreensaver: command not found
[19:33] <lc2> MaxHavoc: you wrote it wrong on several counts
[19:34] <lc2> xscreensaver-command -lock
[19:34] <rocko> helllo lc2
[19:34] <rocko> how are you?
[19:34] <MaxHavoc> Ah! I thought there was a space between xscreensaver and command
[19:34] <lc2> MaxHavoc: :)
[19:34] <lc2> rocko: i've been better
[19:34] <rocko> what happened ?
[19:35] <lc2> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3250375289_c3abe669d5.jpg
[19:35] <lc2> i'm getting old. :/
[19:35] <lc2> but that's okay, i'm taking my frustrations out on random newbies and making them self-pwn their systems by typing the commands i tell them! ;)
[19:35] <lc2> j/k
[19:37] <rocko> I see
[19:38] <rocko> hahahaha
[19:38] <MaxHavoc> Hey lc2, sorry to keep bugging you when you're upset but...xscreensaver-command doesn't exist for me either, when I search for commands like that this is all I can find:
[19:38] <MaxHavoc> ./usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage-video
[19:38] <MaxHavoc> ./usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage-file
[19:38] <MaxHavoc> ./usr/bin/xscreensaver-gl-helper
[19:38] <MaxHavoc> ./usr/bin/xscreensaver-getimage
[19:38] <MaxHavoc> ./usr/bin/xscreensaver-text
[19:39] <lc2> wow, that's odd
[19:39] <lc2> well, you might find it a good idea to install xscreensaver then
[19:39] <MaxHavoc> Ok :)
[19:40] <lc2> wait
[19:40] <lc2> does gnome-screensaver-command --lock do anything?
[19:40] <lc2> i don't know what xubuntu's default screensaver daemon is
[19:40] <jano_> opps
[19:40] <MaxHavoc> Yes, yes it did
[19:40] <lc2> hi jano_
[19:40] <lc2> MaxHavoc: oh :)
[19:40] <lc2> there you go then
[19:41] <MaxHavoc> Ok, thanks :)
[19:41] <jano_> hi. Any swe channel for xubuntu?
[19:41] <lc2> most welcome
[19:41] <lc2> swe?
[19:41] <knome> swedish, i think.
[19:41] <jano_> sweden ;-)
[19:41] <knome> and no.
[19:41] <lc2> yeah
[19:42] <lc2> if you know even a little english we can help you out, though
[19:42] <jano_> ok Im normaly Ubuntu user but i have decide too put up a xubuntu computer i the garage :-)
[19:42] <lc2> (it's weird, all the swedish people i have known write english better than most english people i know)
[19:42] <knome> jano_, (i'm from finland so i know quite a bunch of swedish, but i'm way more comfortable with english)
[19:43] <jano_> Really ok well i have booth Italian and German workers on my work today.
[19:44] <jano_> So any who want to help mee with the first problem :-/
[19:45] <lc2> jano_: we'll do our best
[19:45] <jano_> Nice :-)
[19:46] <jano_> I hawe troubble with the ssh client.  I want too conect to this computer. (I can only conect too an other computer with this one)
[19:47] <lc2> sudo /usr/sbin/sshd
[19:48] <rocko> lc2 I reformatted my swap can that lead to bad problems ?
[19:48] <knome> rocko, doubt so.
[19:48] <lc2> if you want sshd working after your next reboot, go to applications -> system -> services
[19:48] <knome> rocko, though i don't see why you'd want to do that.
[19:48] <rocko> because ubuntu made it extended and I did not want it extended
[19:48] <lc2> hit "unlock" then check "remote shell server"
[19:48] <rocko> well it seems that it as knome
[19:48] <lc2> rocko: wtf?
[19:49] <rocko> what
[19:49] <lc2> haha how come it was formatted as ext3?
[19:49] <lc2> how did that happen?
[19:49] <rocko> my boot up messages are all messed up now
[19:49] <lc2> yeah i can imagine
[19:49] <jano_> sudo: /usr/sbin/sshd: command not found
[19:49] <lc2> jano_: !
[19:49] <knome> jano_, install openssh-server
[19:49] <rocko> no it was extended with swap lc2
[19:50] <knome> jano_, it should be started automatically (by default)
[19:50] <lc2> knome: no it's not
[19:50] <rocko> I did not want it to be extended because I have no purpose in making room for another partition
[19:50] <lc2> xubuntu, at least, starts no network services by default, which is the right thing to do
[19:50] <knome> lc2, yes. but openssh-server is not installed by default.
[19:50] <rocko> well it seems to for me
[19:51] <lc2> knome: oh, okay
[19:52] <jano_> "destination missing behind command openssh-server"
[19:52] <lc2> rocko: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[19:52] <MaxHavoc> Is there anything akin to the device manager from XP in Xubuntu?
[19:52] <knome> jano_, ^
[19:52] <rocko> why would I want to install that lc2
[19:52] <lc2> MaxHavoc: nope
[19:52] <lc2> sorry, not rocko
[19:53] <lc2> jano_: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[19:53] <MaxHavoc> Seriously? Is there anyway to view my installed devices?
[19:53] <lc2> sorry, i'm all messed up right now
[19:53] <lc2> MaxHavoc: go to a command line and type lspci
[19:53] <rocko> how do I fix my swap problem lc2 ? because my boot up messages are all messed up now ?
[19:53] <knome> MaxHavoc, lshw :P
[19:53] <lc2> rocko: i have no idea
[19:53] <jano_> installing 8-)
[19:53] <lc2> rocko: whatever you did to make it do that, don't do that, :P
[19:55] <jano_> =notepad?
[19:55] <jano_> gedit?
[19:55] <lc2> jano_: mousepad
[19:55] <lc2> if you want a very basic text editor
[19:56] <jano_> yea
[19:57] <jano_> Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd                           [ OK ]
[19:57] <jano_>  And now how too config user and passw for remote?
[19:58] <lc2> jano_: they're the same as your local usernames and passwords
[19:58] <jano_> Ok I will se if it works...
[19:58] <lc2> applications -> system -> users and groups
[19:59] <jano_> i want a separatly remote login user andpass.
[19:59] <lc2> jano_: and you don't want them to be the same as local users?
[19:59] <lc2> hell if i know how to do that
[20:01] <jano_> On the ubuntu computer i had a separatly menu there i could wride user and passw for remote conect
[20:03] <genii> jano_: ssh -l remotename remoteboxname
[20:04] <jano_> Ehm ssh -l user password    ?
[20:05] <lc2> ssh user@host
[20:07] <jano_> Bad. The other computer cant see this one :-(
[20:08] <Guest86200> lc2
[20:08] <lc2> Guest86200: hi!!
[20:08] <Guest86200> Heya, me... Charles again...
[20:08] <lc2> i don't know who charles is, but that's okay
[20:09] <Guest86200> Still no sound... didn't see an option for pnp os
[20:09] <lc2> Guest86200: hmmm :(
[20:09] <Guest86200> Well I was the guy with the soound problem
[20:09] <lc2> oh it's you
[20:09] <lc2> see, if linux is not seeing the card *at all*, it has to be something messed up in the bios
[20:09] <Guest86200> I set a different nickname but it keeps changing   it.
[20:10] <lc2> even if it's not loading a driver for it, lspci should show it
[20:10] <Guest86200> Well I am thinking that I may need to get the new version of ALSA installed...
[20:10] <lc2> Guest86200: no, i don't think that's your problem
[20:10] <Guest86200> because I had read somewhere that something  was broken in  the kernal   in regards to this  particular chip set.
[20:11] <knome> Guest86200, then the nickname is registered. you can try to take something near the nick you want. eg. charles -> churles :)
[20:11] <lc2> Guest86200: if the kernel can see it, even if it can't use it, lspci should show it
[20:11] <Guest86200> Hmmm
[20:11] <lc2> like if the driver is totally broken, lspci doesn't even look at that, it'll just show all the pci devices you have installed
[20:12] <Guest86200> Id did change  one setting but so far I have seen  no difference.
[20:12] <Guest86200> Device Config
[20:12] <rocko> lc2 is it possible to install the wrong bios and still have your machine working ?
[20:12] <lc2> rocko: the BIOS is not something you typically "instalL"
[20:12] <lc2> install*
[20:12] <Guest86200> I dunno but I bet there is a bios update for this baby.
[20:12] <jano_> reboot
[20:13] <rocko> well I meant flash lc2
[20:13] <rocko> you kno
[20:13] <rocko> same shit
[20:13] <Guest86200> This is like a P II system
[20:13] <lc2> rocko: if you flash your bios with the wrong bios image, you will hose your system
[20:13] <rocko> I see well I guess I did not then because it works lc2
[20:14] <Guest86200> Anyway Device Config was set to <All Devices> I changed it to <Setup By OS>
[20:14] <rocko> well what if it is for the right motherboard but not right southbridge lc2
[20:14] <lc2> Guest86200: were there any other options?
[20:14] <Guest86200> But no difference thus far.
[20:14] <lc2> rocko: you're asking for trouble
[20:15] <rocko> what do you mean by that lc2 ?
[20:15] <Guest86200> There were a lot of options for the soound chipset.
[20:15] <lc2> rocko: meaning that if shit goes all fucked up, we're not gonna help you ;)
[20:15] <lc2> pardon my language
[20:15] <Guest86200> IRQ DMA Channels... different memory locations to set and stuff.
[20:15] <lc2> Guest86200: try all of them
[20:15] <lc2> Guest86200: oh, then never mind, don't try those things
[20:15] <rocko> I see lc2
[20:15] <Guest86200> Um that coould be a bunch:)
[20:15] <rocko> well I already flashed it years ago
[20:16] <lc2> now, brb, i haven't played my strat mongrel in a while so i'm gonna go do that :)
[20:16] <Guest86200> Especially when yer talkin'  memory locations
[20:16] <knome> !ohmy | lc2
[20:16] <rocko> but lspci tells of a different southbride then what the bios upgrade has when extracted the  exe bios upgrade
[20:18] <Guest86200> Hmm  you have given me an idea... I coould try flashing  the Bios
[20:18] <lc2> oh nm
[20:19] <fortunev> can I print to a shared xp printer?
[20:19] <rocko> Guest86200 yes you can extracted exe files if they are extractable
[20:19] <Guest86200> That might fix it... however if I did that  woould I have to reinstall Xubuntu to get it to recognize the chip set?
[20:20] <rocko> if they are some more meant be
[20:20] <lc2> Guest86200: no
[20:20] <Guest86200> Kewel...
[20:20] <rocko> if it does not extract then it is the end of the line for extraction
[20:21] <Guest86200> One more question... can you flash a bios on an    older computer without a floppy drive?
[20:21] <Guest86200> I can boot from  a CD...
[20:21] <rocko> I am not sure
[20:21] <Guest86200> And  only    has a CD ROM Drive.
[20:22] <rocko> Guest86200 you could try using qemu  to see if coreboot works on your machine if it does you could try flashing it will coreboot
[20:22] <rocko> *with
[20:22] <rocko> but if you want to keep your old pc
[20:22] <Guest86200> Any bios flashing I ever did before was with a floppy.
[20:22] <rocko> I would recommend you to not flash the bios
[20:23] <rocko> only if you know exactly what you are doing
[20:23] <rocko> I did not use a floppy on this machine
[20:23] <Guest86200> Why? As long as you get the right bios file it is relatively safe.
[20:23] <rocko> to flash bios
[20:23] <Guest86200> What did you use roco?
[20:23] <Guest86200> Just HD?
[20:24] <rocko> an exe file from my manuafactures site
[20:24] <rocko> yes did it from hard drive
[20:24] <rocko> if you do not have linux install you can download from piratebay an bartpe that has already been made
[20:25] <rocko> and you could install it from that windows  livecd
[20:25] <Guest86200> Hmm that is  cool most that I have done made a setup    like  disk and saved it to a floppy   then you rebooted with the floppy and  it  flashed  the bios.
[20:25] <rocko> I see
[20:26] <fortunev> can i print from xubuntu to a shared xp printer?
[20:26] <Guest86200> Hmmm well Windows Live isn't an option  on this puter... running Xubuntu and not dual booting.
[20:26] <rocko> yes fortunev you should be able to
[20:27] <fortunev> roko: what connection type should I use?
[20:27] <R2D2> lol Hd0 smart status BAD   :-(
[20:28] <Guest86200> Hmmm  ok well I'm  off   to do  more troubleshooting... I may even  install Win 98  or 2000 and see if there is sound  in that  OS but only as a last resort.
[20:58] <jarnos> Is there any working cd burner. Even K3b has remarkable fault: It can't verify its burning result.
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I burn 4 cd-r's a day with Brassero. They all pass integrity checks.
[21:01] <jarnos> charlie-tca: But I need a burner capable to burn CD-RWs.
[21:01] <jarnos> charlie-tca: I mean software.
[21:01] <rocko> nevermind lc2 I was wrong it was rs480 which  I do have so it was the right bios upgrade :D
[21:02] <rocko> I thought it was the south bridge
[21:02] <boerni> jarnos, k3b and brasero are frontends to cdrtools. if u want to have something new, buy nerolinux
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Ah, I see. I can burn them once, then if I try to erase and burn again, it's dead. Thus I use cd-r now
[21:02] <rocko> which was 400
[21:05] <jarnos> charlie-tca: By K3b you can burn them, but verification is broken; a bug report done: Bug 207265
[21:05] <jarnos> Bug #207265
[21:06] <charlie-tca> bug 207265
[21:07] <charlie-tca> broken bot :(
[21:08] <jarnos> charlie-tca: Won't tell about KDE bugs maybe.
[21:09]  * jarnos hates bugs that break working feature.
[21:12] <knome> o'rly?
[21:14] <TheSheep> bugs that break non-workingfeatures are much more tolerable
[21:35] <jarnos> TheSheep: Bugs that are in new features are more tolerable and understandable.
[21:37] <jarnos> TheSheep: but once you have something that works, it is annoying to break it by an update.
[21:37] <jarnos> TheSheep, knome: They are like steps backwards.
[21:38] <knome> you are corret.
[21:38] <knome> +c
[21:51] <lulemurfan> How can I see other shared folders on my network?
[21:51] <SiDi> you should use "nautilus --no-desktop" for this ;)
[21:52] <SiDi> it understands "smb:///" to navigate into windows shared networks
[21:52] <SiDi> and also sftp:// for remote access to linux pcs
[21:52] <lulemurfan> i should download nautilus?
[21:53] <SiDi> hm if you don't already have it, i suppose there are easier ways
[21:54] <SiDi> i just always had gnome on another hand so i always had nautilus
[21:54] <lulemurfan> I used to use edubuntu!
[21:54] <SiDi> in the network menu of your apps menu, don't you have "Server Client Terminal" ?
[21:54] <SiDi> you could try this and Samba for windows pcs, Ssh/Sftp for linux pcs
[21:55] <SiDi> but nautilus is really cool for browsing other pcs, though
[21:55] <lulemurfan> i don't have any of that, shall i just download that other program?
[21:55] <SiDi> I guess so then
[21:55] <SiDi> if you have disk space
[21:55] <SiDi> but don't forget to launch it with "--no-desktop"
[21:56] <lulemurfan> i should have that space
[21:56] <SiDi> and then when you run it, go to preferences and remove the "Let nautilus manage desktop" thing
[21:56] <SiDi> it's for gnome and it'll screw your desktop ;)
[21:56] <lulemurfan> ok will do
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> there are other samba browser around if you don't want to install nautilus...
[21:57] <lulemurfan> installing now anyway!!!
[21:57] <Odd-rationale> (might as wel use gnome, imo... lol)
[21:57] <lulemurfan> i think nautilus i used on edubuntu
[21:57] <SiDi> Odd-rationale: do you mind giving me the name ?
[21:58] <lulemurfan> thanks for your help bye
[21:58] <SiDi> interests me :)
[21:58] <SiDi> bye bye lulemurfan
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> well, you can use smbclient from the command line.
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> i also think there is one called pyneighborhood... or soemthing
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> !info pyneighborhood
[21:58] <SiDi> command line isnt always practical :)
[21:59] <Odd-rationale> there are a couple others, if you search synaptics, iirc...
[21:59] <SiDi> well thanks, i'll give this one a try
[21:59] <SiDi> i need to leave in a few secs actually :x
[21:59] <SiDi> see you another time ;)
[21:59] <Odd-rationale> see ya
[22:25] <wormsxulla_> hello!
[22:27] <wormsxulla_> i have installed a 8Gb sdhc card in my eee pc, and created a partition of 3,6 gb on it. when i do "system monitor", it reports that 134 Mb are used on this partition. when i do disk / properties, it says there is 21,3 Mo on it. i wonder what the difference is
[22:28] <wormsxulla_> second question: even though the sdhc card is in its slot at boot, it doesn't mount automatically, is it normal?
[22:40] <knome> wormsxulla_, what does 'df' say?
[22:40] <knome> wormsxulla_, sdhc cards should mount autmatically.
[22:40] <knome> wormsxulla_, do you use the default xubuntu kernel?
[22:41] <knome> wormsxulla_, 'df -h' maybe :P
[22:42] <wormsxulla_> knome: df in a terminal?
[22:42] <knome> wormsxulla_, yes.
[22:42] <wormsxulla_> just a second, please
[22:42] <knome> wormsxulla_, i'd trust on that output.
[22:43] <wormsxulla_> /dev/sdb1             3,7G   94M  3,4G   3% /media/disk
[22:44] <knome> wormsxulla_, 94M used, that is.
[22:44] <wormsxulla_> so it seems that is what is reported in the system monitor, but there is a 70Mb difference with the files found in right-click/disk properties?
[22:44] <knome> mm-h. in thunar?
[22:45] <wormsxulla_> yes
[22:46] <wormsxulla_> also, that 94Mb was 134Mb yesterday, and i certainly deleted nothing :)
[22:46] <knome> yeah, well.. suppose you are running intrepid
[22:46] <wormsxulla_> knome: what could be the reason why this card does not mount?
[22:47] <wormsxulla_> i run 7.10 gutsy
[22:47] <knome> wormsxulla_, a-ha.
[22:47] <knome> wormsxulla_, don't really know. are you using the default intrepid kernel?
[22:47] <knome> i mean, default xubuntu kernel :)
[22:48] <wormsxulla_> 2.6.22-14-generic
[22:48] <wormsxulla_> if that helps :)
[22:48] <knome> eh i mean...
[22:49] <knome> do you use the normal repository for xubuntu in your eepc?
[22:49] <knome> +e
[22:51] <knome> wormsxulla_, there is a custom kernel repository for hardy-> at http://array.org/ubuntu/
[22:51] <knome> wormsxulla_, i use that and i have had absolutely *no* problems with anything.
[22:51] <knome> wormsxulla_, of course, it's not for gutsy..
[22:52] <knome> wormsxulla_, i also heard that there is coming some better native support for eeepc in jaunty.
[22:52] <wormsxulla_> knome: it's not really a "problem", i'm curious :)
[22:52] <wormsxulla_> oh really? great then
[22:53] <knome> wormsxulla_, but i think that was limited models.
[22:53] <wormsxulla_> knome: no problem with the wifi (or network manager) at all?
[22:53] <knome> wormsxulla_, no problems.
[22:53] <knome> wormsxulla_, all function keys work properly.
[22:53] <knome> wormsxulla_, i get osd windows when i press them.
[22:53] <knome> wormsxulla_, camera works.
[22:54] <knome> wormsxulla_, hibernating works.
[22:54] <wormsxulla_> cool. i had a lot of problems with err..ppp
[22:54] <knome> wormsxulla_, powersaving works.
[22:54] <knome> wormsxulla_, so maybe you should try it :)
[22:54] <wormsxulla_> i use my eee pc as a laptop, i never shut it off (unless it freezes)
[22:55] <wormsxulla_> so powersaving is not a problem for me :)
[22:55] <knome> heh.
[22:58] <wormsxulla_> i partitioned the card with fdisk instead of cfdisk, which wasn't working for some reason. could it be the reason of the not-mounting?
[22:58] <knome> i doubt that.
[22:59]  * wormsxulla_ scratches head :)
[23:01] <knome> i'll have some sleep. see you later.
[23:02] <wormsxulla_> thank you! goodnight