/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/04/#kubuntu-devel.txt

Tonio_what is impressive with kde4 is the beautifullness of it00:00
astrommeHmm, well the next LTS is still quite far off00:00
Tonio_most people are just asking me (lots of gnomists at work...)00:00
Tonio_I did you tweak to get that ?00:00
Tonio_"bah this is just kde4 defaults, without any tweaking :)"00:00
Tonio_"really ??????????????????????????"00:00
astrommeI honestly think that Jaunty will be the release where I can resonably expect a non-linux/non-kde expert to work with his system, configure his system, be happy with his system, and think it's beautiful at the same time.00:00
Tonio_that's so good to ear, hehe00:00
Tonio_astromme: needs to be a lot more stable00:01
astrommeYou've still got some months00:01
Tonio_astromme: current desktop stability is not even as good as vista00:01
Tonio_can't be compared to gnome00:01
astrommeAnd it helps big time to send backtraces00:01
Tonio_or osx00:01
Tonio_or windows xp00:01
Tonio_not big bugs, but lots of little ones00:01
Tonio_that's the problem with it right now00:01
astrommeHonestly (imho) the only way that stability will come is by distros testing and sending problem reports (including bt, etc) upstream.00:02
Tonio_astromme: yeah :) also the full plasma+dbus stuff makes it very difficult to backtrace for a lambda user....00:02
astrommeBecause not only is it hard for developers to find every corner case, it's also not "as fun" to just sit for months looking for bugs to fix00:02
Tonio_astromme: debuging is probably more complicated for non developers with kde4...00:03
astrommeTrue00:03
astrommeWell, for plasma at least. For other things I think it's just as it was before00:03
Tonio_astromme: for apps it's just apps00:03
Tonio_for plasmoids, that's different00:04
Tonio_you can't just strace a process and look for the segfault....00:04
Tonio_maybe a plasma monitor somehow would be usefull in the future to help reporting bugs00:04
Tonio_next big app we miss is a good and complete video player and also k3b.... then we're done feature compliant with kde3...00:05
Tonio_I think strueg is planing to polish k3b.... which sounds good00:06
astrommeEh, I find vlc good enough for my needs00:06
astrommeand dragonplayer is there if you want the kde goodness with kio, etc00:07
Tonio_astromme: yeah, but not well desktop integrated00:07
Tonio_and doesn't make use of phonon00:07
Tonio_but phonon can use vlc so....... :)00:07
Tonio_astromme: kaffeine was more than just a video player00:07
Tonio_dvd player on the run too....00:07
Tonio_that, we miss right now00:07
Tonio_time to sleep here, see you tomorrow :)00:09
astrommeDragonplayer is a dvd player.... Dragonplayer is a video player, network video player. I'm confused as to what's important that it lacks and kaffiene had (I know Tonio_ left, just putting my comments out there)00:12
JontheEchidnaopensuse has a flash installation prompt patch too00:23
JontheEchidnargreening may be interested00:23
ScottKJontheEchidna or vorian: kopete-cryptography never got uploaded. It's in universe so ...00:40
JontheEchidnaScottK: so it needs updating?01:20
knusperfroschsegmentationfault on pyqt4 from the ppa with pyexpat: http://dpaste.com/116387/01:36
ScottKJontheEchidna: I assume it got released with the rest of extra-gear, but didn't get uploaded because it need kdepim-dev01:43
ScottKWhich we didn't have until today.01:43
JontheEchidnaoh, I think vorian was working on that one (or at least not me :P)01:44
ScottKJontheEchidna or vorian or nhandler or any other motu ....  I've got KDE well along to building on lpia and started on armel.  I'd appreciate it if someone would trigger retries on the universe plasmoids and such on lpia.   We should have enough built now.01:45
JontheEchidnaok01:45
ScottKThanks.01:47
ScottKI'm working through the extragear list now.01:48
seeleLDN sure likes to pick up on my stuff.. although this time around it is pretty good01:48
seelehttp://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/will-jackalope-finally-turn-kubuntu-around01:48
ScottKNobody did guidance-power-manager either.01:49
* ScottK looks for smarter ....01:49
JontheEchidnaScottK: oh, well I just retried rsibreak since it has rdepend on libplasma301:49
seelegood for kubuntu that is, not good for me, heh01:49
ScottKJontheEchidna: rsibreak isn't extreagear.01:50
ScottKextra even01:50
JontheEchidnaoh, right01:50
* JontheEchidna mumbes about konqueror being unstable01:51
ScottKMy immediate reaction to his article isn't printable.01:51
seeleoh come on.. in the end it is a positive outlook for kubuntu. adept and translations are unarguable weaknesses of intrepid *and* we are switching to kpackagekit which seems to be what people want01:54
JontheEchidnatranslations should be back to hardy levels, I think01:57
ScottKseele: I think the entire meme about 4.1 being unusable is complete crap.02:05
ScottK"Oh dear, I can't have two rows on the taskbar, it's a friggin' unusable disaster".02:05
ScottKActually my printable response is sounds like you want Debian Lenny.02:06
ScottKWhich is fine, but don't bitch at us for not being Debian.02:06
Tm_TScottK: it looks different than the old one -> it's unusable (;)02:06
ScottKPlus I have limited patience from people who neither pay for this stuff nor help make it work.02:07
Tm_TScottK: aye, useless bitching is, well, useless, AND bitching02:07
seeledebian is useless.. i get more questions about why stuff is broken in kde because of debian packaging than i do for ubuntu02:08
Tm_TScottK: I usually challenge people to help, if they don't then I go and silence them usually02:08
ScottKDebian is old.02:08
ScottKIf you want a stable, well tested boring desktop, it's great.02:08
ScottKI don't put up with useless whining from my kids and I don't appreciate it from strangers any more.02:09
* Tm_T huggles ScottK 02:09
Tm_Twe old and grumpy <302:09
ScottKJust will the motrin to kick in faster so my headache goes away ...02:10
JontheEchidnaScottK: btw, most plasmoids seem to have built on armel02:11
ScottKOK.02:11
ScottKThey probably built against 4.1.96 then02:11
ScottKUrgh.02:11
JontheEchidnaeek02:11
ScottKIt'd be worth a check to see if they build-dep on 4.2.002:12
JontheEchidnaiirc most don't02:13
ScottKWe can fix it with the next upload or something.  I doubt we'll get enough lpia usage to matter.02:17
* ScottK notes that kpovmodeler says vorian on it and it says uploaded, but it's not.02:18
JontheEchidnawith any luck there won't be an abi break for a while now that 4.2 has been released with libplasma in kdelibs02:19
ScottKJontheEchidna: Up for a bit of extragear packaging?02:19
JontheEchidnaneed to finish these rebuilds02:19
JontheEchidnaalmost done02:19
ScottKLooks like guidance-power-manager, kpovmodeler, and kopete-cryptography all need updating02:19
ScottKGreat.02:19
* ScottK notes that there now exists a failed build for kdebindings on hppa, so maybe PAS got fixed (Soyuz failed to know to build it at all before).02:22
vorianScottK: whoopsie, let me take care of that02:23
JontheEchidnadone with universe plasmoids02:23
vorianScottK: with my power outtage issue, i wasn't able to complete it02:23
ScottKOK.02:23
* ScottK wonders why it was marked uploaded then ....02:24
ScottKOh well, let's move on.02:24
JontheEchidnaso, g-p-m?02:24
ScottKJontheEchidna: So guidance-power-manager and kopete-cryptography are wanting doing.02:24
ScottKYeah.02:24
ScottKLooks like we'll pick up two more working archictectures this week.  That's good.02:35
JontheEchidnaoh?02:35
ScottKAs in working on KDE, not new to the archive02:36
ScottKlpia is making good progress and kde4libs is moving along on armel.02:36
ScottKNow is someone would just update other ports kernels, we'd be in business.02:37
ScottKis/if02:38
vorianScottK: http://machine-crusade.net/kpov/ if you please :)02:38
* ScottK grabs02:39
JontheEchidnaScottK: do you happen to know which guidance patches can be removed?02:47
ScottKJontheEchidna: No.  Usually those get pushed upstream right away, but no idea.02:48
JontheEchidnaok, thanks02:48
* ScottK voted to remove it completely, but Riddell said no. 02:49
* ScottK has erased his brain of all he knew about guidance02:49
JontheEchidnalooks like all of them can go \o/02:49
JontheEchidnarm -rf debian/patches is so satisfying02:50
ScottK;-)02:50
ScottKThe uninstallable count for lpia went down by about half already.02:50
nhandlerScottK and JontheEchidna: Do you still need retries for the plasmoids?02:50
JontheEchidnanhandler: I think I got them all02:50
nhandlerOk JontheEchidna02:51
JontheEchidnakopete-cryptography still needs updating though02:51
* nhandler is pretty worthless right now. His main laptop won't charge, so he is using a live cd02:52
JontheEchidnaouch02:52
JontheEchidnawow, guidance is a nice quick compile02:53
nhandlerJontheEchidna: Tell me about it. I don't feel like spending money to fix it, so I'll probably just get a new laptop02:55
voriankopete-crypto uploaded02:56
* vorian just purchased some major upgrades to his desktop02:58
ScottKvorian: I just remembered I can't upload kpovmodeler right now anyway due to the freeze.02:58
vorianah, good point02:58
vorianScottK: at least its ready for fridayish02:58
* ScottK will upload after the Alpha milestone. Please check and make sure I don't forget.02:59
ScottKYep.02:59
vorianwill do02:59
JontheEchidnaguidance-power-manager uploaded03:01
vorianJontheEchidna: it's still main, yes?03:02
JontheEchidnanope, demoted03:02
vorianexcellent, at least it's not dropped03:03
JontheEchidnaI also synced the bzr branch03:03
nhandlerI just saw a message on identi.ca about someone looking for help with the KDE Mexico website. I thought I might as well pass it along to this channel.03:04
* ScottK was hoping for dropped.03:14
* ScottK wonders what vorian thinks about the impressive results from his kopete-cryptography upload?03:36
claydohnow we are a KDE4 cult :03:38
claydohhttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101189.msg168245#msg16824503:38
claydohlmao03:38
vorianwhat in the world ...03:38
ScottKclaydoh: Did you see my ping about future release notes?03:39
claydohum, nope03:41
* claydoh doesn't see it03:42
* claydoh is tempted to either completely ignore forum crap posts or stop frequenting/moderating them at all03:43
ScottKIt's just as well I don't have an account there as the trouble of registering is enough to keep me off that thread.03:44
* claydoh could get you in lol03:45
=== ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Main Archive: frozen for alpha-4| claydoh new release notes dude \o/ | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
claydohendless sameness endless junk03:45
ScottKI almost never look at forums and whenever I do my blood pressure goes up and I'm unhappy.03:46
ScottKThen I don't repeat the experience for awhile.03:46
* claydoh has high blood pressure for real, and it makes me boil03:47
claydohgetting harder to keep my cool, and not be a 'fanboi'03:47
ScottKDo me a favor and post something that says if you want KDE3, Lenny is that way --->03:48
claydohoh well not dwelling on that, got more KDE4 Kult work to do :)03:48
claydohScottK: already done by one of the regs03:48
ScottKOK.03:49
* ScottK stares at kdepim and figures our why Soyuz thinks kdepim-dev in uninstallable.03:49
dtchenwell that's cute. the latest plasma-n-m upload in jaunty doesn't seem to display anything unless it's attempting to associate ;)03:51
dtchenplasmoid-n-m*03:52
ScottKTo quote what the kubuntu desktop seed comments say about hal, "it's not very polished but it's the future".03:55
ScottKdtchen: Knm is still there, just doesn't autostart ... just in case .03:56
ScottKLooks like it's Soyuz being brain dead about provides again.04:02
ScottKvorian: The answer to why that failed is Soyuz not liking provides I'm pretty sure and kdenetwork needs the libboost transition done to it.04:04
ScottKSince I'm pretty sure that doesn't affect anything in Main, it'll have to wait I think.04:04
ScottKOh damn.  I do have an account on kubuntuforums.04:07
=== santiago-pgsql is now known as san
=== san is now known as santiago-ve
* ScottK reads his reply and considers if he should report himself to the moderators.04:12
* claydoh goes and bans ScottK s he has Tha Powa04:22
EagleScreeni cannot build kdesudo package from the source package04:22
EagleScreensee http://pastebin.ca/132688204:23
claydohScottK: don't get sucked into the quagmire like I did04:23
ScottKIt'll be fun for a bit.04:24
EagleScreenhttp://pastebin.ca/132688304:24
ScottKEagleScreen: Install quilt.04:25
ScottKclaydoh: Can you shine me up with some kind of developer tag or whatever it is you all have on the kubuntu forums?04:27
EagleScreenthanks that fixed this problem04:28
ScottKEagleScreen: Would you like to know how you could have figured that out yourself?04:28
EagleScreenyes, sure04:28
ScottKThe error says you're missing a file called patchsys-quilt.mk04:29
EagleScreenyes04:29
EagleScreenlooking for in dpkg?04:29
nhandlerScottK: Someone should really create a wiki page that explains some common things to look for in build logs and how to resolve them.04:30
ScottKGo to packages.ubuntu.com and use "Search the contents of packages" and search for that filename.04:30
ScottKEagleScreen: You'll see the search results tell you that file is in the package quilt.04:30
ScottKnhandler: Go for it.  Glad you volunteered.04:31
EagleScreeni can remember tha there is a command to do that04:31
ScottKYou'll remember packages.ubuntu.com more easily though.04:31
EagleScreenyes, it is more easily04:33
EagleScreenbut less quickly04:33
ScottKHonestly I can never rember the other way.  I just use p.u.c.04:34
ScottKOK.  kdewebdev-kde4 needs boost stuff too.04:35
nhandlerscottk: I might actually write it up. It isn't like I can do much else right now04:35
ScottKMore documentation is better.04:35
ScottKOnce you get it drafted, you might also then do a MOTU School session on it.04:36
nhandlerScottK: Good idea. Maybe I can make up for not giving a session at open week or dev week04:37
* ScottK doesn't see it as making up required. Volunteer as you will.04:38
obsidianStrange problem - kdebase source package does not build04:47
obsidianapt-get source kdebase, debuild binary fails.04:47
obsidianpatching file apps/kfind/kfind.desktop04:48
obsidianHunk #1 FAILED at 81.04:48
obsidianon the package's internal diff??04:48
obsidianthis seems very wrong to me. Have never been unable to build a deb before.04:48
obsidianThis is on intrepid...04:48
ScottKWhich version?04:52
obsidian8.1004:54
ScottKWhich version of KDE?04:54
obsidiankdebase-4.1.304:54
obsidiankde4.1 as is currently shipping in intrepid04:54
ScottKObviously it built once.04:55
ScottKDid you try it once, have a problem, then try again?04:55
ScottKobsidian: ^^04:55
obsidianno04:55
obsidiani mean04:55
obsidiani have tried many times, many ways04:55
obsidianhave a friend here with me04:56
obsidianrepro'd problem on 2 intrepid machines04:56
* ScottK tries.04:56
obsidianbuild many debs from sources so many obvious things ( build-essential etc) are all there already04:56
obsidianthank you for trying04:56
obsidianfor me it's just apt-get source kdebase04:56
obsidiancd kdebase-4.1.304:56
obsidiandebuild binary04:56
obsidianand it bombs04:56
obsidianwhich freaks me out04:56
ScottKI'm going to guess you tried more than once and it's either a bad patch or a buggy clean rule.04:56
obsidianbad patc04:57
obsidianApplying patch kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff04:57
obsidianHunk #1 FAILED at 81.04:57
obsidianbut how is that possible?04:57
obsidianisn't packaging automated?04:57
obsidianwere you able to reproduce it?05:03
obsidianskottk?05:03
obsidianscottk?05:04
ScottKNot yet05:04
obsidianah,05:04
obsidianok05:04
ScottKMy laptop is kind of slammed with another build and I'm set up to work on Jaunty packages ....05:04
obsidian:D05:04
obsidianwe are trying to put together a patch05:05
obsidianbut can't test it cause can't build kdebase  :(05:05
ScottKI can't seem to get the build-deps right at the moment.05:06
obsidianhmm05:07
obsidiannot sure I understand05:07
ScottKI've got 4.1.4 installed.05:07
obsidiank05:07
ScottKAnd so I'm having a problem unrelated to yours.05:07
obsidiani c05:07
ScottKMy recommendation is download the package again from the archive in a new directory.05:08
ScottKThen without making any changes to that one try to build it.05:08
obsidianwe do that every time, unfortunately05:08
* ScottK considers another way05:08
obsidianthis is pristine, apt-get source kdebase05:08
obsidiancd kdebase-4.1.305:09
obsidiandebuild binary05:09
* obsidian shrugs apology05:09
obsidianand i wipe it all and start over with each new attempt05:10
obsidiani have jaunty in a vm05:10
obsidianit's booting up05:10
obsidiancurious to see if I can repro it there.05:11
ScottKGetting the build-deps in a clean chroot now.05:13
obsidian:D05:13
ScottKobsidian: Worked fine here.05:19
* obsidian eyes widen05:19
obsidiantrade computers?  ;)05:19
obsidiani guess we have the jinx over here05:20
obsidian2 diff. intrepid systems, both have it fail05:20
obsidiansame error05:20
ScottKWhat is the exact error again?05:20
ScottKAnd how are you starting the build?05:20
obsidianready for a copy paste?05:20
obsidianI say05:20
obsidianapt-get source kdebase05:20
obsidiancd kdebase-4.1.305:20
obsidiandebuild binary05:20
obsidianand I get (after some preamble):05:20
obsidianmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/obsidian/Projects/kde/kdebase-4.1.3'05:20
obsidiancd . && QUILT_PATCHES=/home/obsidian/Projects/kde/kdebase-4.1.3/debian/patches quilt --quiltrc /dev/null push -a || test $? = 205:21
obsidianApplying patch kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff05:21
obsidianpatching file apps/kfind/kfind.desktop05:21
obsidianHunk #1 FAILED at 81.05:21
obsidian1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file apps/kfind/kfind.desktop05:21
obsidianPatch kubuntu_04_hide_kfind.diff does not apply (enforce with -f)05:21
obsidianmake: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 105:21
obsidiandebuild: fatal error at line 1305:05:21
obsidiancouldn't exec debian/rules:05:21
ScottKJust debuild.05:21
obsidianjust debuild binary05:21
ScottKLet it build the source package too.05:21
obsidian...05:22
obsidianit is the source package?05:22
obsidianok just debuild you say?05:22
obsidianno binary argument?05:22
ScottKIf I do debuild binary I can replicate it.05:23
obsidianahhhh05:23
obsidianok so just "debuild"05:23
ScottKif you do debuild and build both it'll work.05:23
obsidianfascinating05:23
* obsidian is trying it05:23
rgreeningScottK: hi05:23
ScottKHeya rgreening.05:24
obsidianhey so why have i never had htis problem before?05:24
rgreeningkonversation kde4 seems to work dandy05:24
obsidianI build lots & lots of pkgs this way05:25
obsidianor by debian/rules binary05:25
obsidian1st time it failed.05:25
obsidianyeah that worked btw05:25
obsidianTHANK YOU!05:25
obsidian:D05:25
ScottKWhen you call debuild binary you're telling it to run a specific part of debian/rules.  That's (as you know) not what you want.05:27
ScottKobsidian: You're welcome.05:27
ScottKobsidian: If you want to just build the binary it's -b or -B (I don't recall).  See man dpkg-buildpackage.05:28
obsidianI clearly am still climbing the deb learning curve  :)05:28
ScottKNo problem.  Glad I could help.05:28
obsidianour patch will fix kde3 applications that run on kde405:28
obsidiancurrently none of them can succesfully integrate with konqueror or help, or other things05:29
obsidianthey all throw an error when attempting to launch them05:29
obsidianthere's an open issue or two on this05:29
enodoScottK: I am here with obsidian05:29
enodoHere is the bug we're talking about05:29
obsidian:D05:29
enodohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/12000605:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 120006 in amarok "Amarok's bug reporting reports error'kfmclient'" [Low,Incomplete]05:29
ScottKWell Amarok in Jaunty is Amarok2, so not a problem.05:30
obsidianright but there are still other kde3 apps05:30
ScottKOK.05:30
obsidianand anything in them that launches a browser, help, even bug reporting will fail ;)05:30
enodoI actually discovered this problem in digiKam05:30
ScottKThat'll also be a KDE4 version in Jaunty.05:31
obsidianand he figured out the fix, too   :)05:31
ScottKGreat.05:31
enodoSo I heard05:31
obsidianI was just trying (feebly) to help get a fix into a patch that might be useful  :)05:31
ScottKIf it's not a technically risk patch, I can see the benifit.05:31
ScottKrisk/risky05:31
enodoAll it is is to create a symlink05:32
enodoFrom /usr/share/applications/kde4/kfmclient*05:32
ScottKYou might do better to work on the 4.2 packages in kubuntu-experimental.  Those are very close to what we have in Jaunty right now.05:32
enodoto /usr/share/applications/kde/05:32
obsidianthese patches can probably be applied even there.05:32
obsidianvery simple.05:32
obsidianone to kdelibs, one to kdebase05:32
obsidianfew lines05:33
obsidianwould be curious to get your thoughts05:33
obsidianlet's see if this  builds, then open an issue and you can read it05:33
ScottKI won't argue it.  It's very late here and I'm quite tired.05:33
obsidianus too :D05:33
obsidianif we open it on kdebase/kdelibs will you see it?05:34
obsidianor if not I'll also paste the link here05:34
obsidianlater when we finish it05:34
ScottKI won't and I'm not the best person to review it anyway.  You can subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug after you attach the fix.05:37
obsidianthank you for the advice05:38
ScottKYou're welcome.  Thank you for working to make Kubuntu better.05:39
obsidianAw, this was work?05:40
obsidianI thought we were just having fun  :D05:40
obsidianhave a good night man  :)05:40
ScottKWell that's true of almost all of us.05:40
ScottKThere's only one paid dev on Kubuntu.05:40
ScottKThe rest of us are here for fun.05:41
obsidianright on.05:41
ScottKrgreening: I got all but three KDE core packages built or queued for lpia.05:44
ScottKSo by tomorrow we ought to be good on lpia almost all the way around (actually it's 4)05:44
ScottKNeed to upload the boost changes for kdenetwork before that'll build.05:45
ScottKThat has to wait until after the Alpha.05:45
ScottKRiddell: kpovmodeler is in Main and on the DVD, but recommends package in multiverse.  It looks to me like it will have to be moved ....05:48
ScottKGood night all.  I'm off to bed.05:48
enodogood night!05:49
RiddellScottK: hmm, that shouldn't be like that08:01
mrvanesIs it by-design that knetworkmanager no longer starts automagically after logon?08:20
mrvanesJaunty/4.2.0 btw08:21
Riddellyes, to encourage testing of plasmoid-network-manager [Dmr08:22
mrvanesRiddell: ok, started thinking I was crazy ;)08:30
mrvanesRiddell: I'll give plasmoid-network-manager a try then08:30
jussi01so is there a current kpackage kit ppa for intrepid?08:35
MamarokRiddell: hi,  btw, Pastebin widget works now, with pastebin.com08:37
Mamarokstill have problems with folderview for remote folders though08:38
Tonio_hi there08:38
* Tonio_ tracks a strange kmail bug fedora doesn't have with kde408:38
RiddellScottK: backports view on bug 325221 ?09:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325221 in intrepid-backports "Please UN-backport Brasero 0.9.1 since it's breaking non-English systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32522109:44
EbdomosHey there, I made some artwork for a kde application (kdenlive), what would be a good license for it?10:06
EbdomosI heard some creative commons licenses are not compatible with gpl10:07
Tonio_Ebdomos: if you don't mind, going with the upstream project licence is probably the best and easiest way :)10:07
Tonio_Ebdomos: in any case BSD like licence avoids any kind of issue :)10:08
Ebdomosthanks10:08
Tonio_Ebdomos: and for my own, I usually use the WTFPL licence10:08
Ebdomosoh gosh10:08
Tonio_Ebdomos: same as bsd, but without anything complicated in it to understand :)10:09
Tonio_Ebdomos: not a, joke, I really find it usefull for my needs10:09
Ebdomoswhat about proprietary venders taking your work10:09
Ebdomosand not redistributing the changes?10:10
Tonio_Ebdomos: I don't care10:10
EbdomosTonio_: your much more relaxed than I am :)10:10
RiddellEbdomos: oxygen icons uses the GPL 3+, KDE policy requires BSD, GPL 2+ or GPL 3+10:10
Tonio_Ebdomos: I don't plan to make money with my work :)10:10
EbdomosRiddell: in terms of artwork, many people use CC, why is that?10:11
Tonio_Ebdomos: I prefer to see MS using ssh by default than reinventing the wheel with something uncompatible with us10:11
Sputactually oxygen is LGPL v3+10:11
RiddellEbdomos: CC causes problems for some distros, notably Debian10:11
Tonio_Ebdomos: think about how usefull and widelly deploied ssh is and you'll understand the benefits of the bsd licence :)10:12
RiddellSput: good point10:12
Tonio_lgpl is nice for artwork since it can be reused by proprietary apps in order not to break the global artwork10:12
Sputplus BSD and GPL are *not* compatible, and GPL'd projects need to specifically add an exception if they want to allow to link to openssl, for example10:12
RiddellSput: BSD and GPL are compatible10:13
Sputso I'm not sure if going with BSD makes sense10:13
Riddellopenssl isn't BSD, that's why it causes problems10:13
Sputoh?10:13
Tonio_Sput: they are...10:13
Ebdomoslgpl3 I guess it is then10:13
Tonio_Sput: I don't think BSD can be incompatible with any other licence, but I may be wrong....10:14
Sputdepends on the advertising clause10:14
Tonio_Riddell: would you like PNM in the panel ?10:14
SputI don't think BSD-with-advertising is compatible with GPL10:14
RiddellTonio_: it should already be so10:14
Tonio_Riddell: great :)10:14
RiddellSput: right, BSD-with-advertising is what openssl uses, and that's evli10:14
RiddellEbdomos: LGPL 3+, good choice :)10:15
Sputah I see they have removed that clause in recent versions of the BSD license, so yeah, newer versions are compatible10:15
Sputnot the original though10:15
Sputbut yeah, for KDE artwork LGPLv3+ is probably sanest :10:15
Sput:)10:16
Tonio_I sometimes would like to make people think about the benefits of the BSD licence :) this sounds so shocking for linux users, but terribly true...10:16
EbdomosRiddell/Sput: Good, thanks for the advice10:16
* Sput doesn't see any benefits in the BSD clause10:16
Sputeh, license10:16
Tonio_Ebdomos: I maintain kdenlive package, feel free to lemme test :)10:17
Tonio_Sput: benefit ?10:17
Tonio_Sput: I prefer to have ssh working with linux/windows/osx that just linux to linux, point10:17
EbdomosTonio_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AFLxS-VwgM10:18
Tonio_Sput: proprietary stuff will always be arround, and bsd helps getting unified standards10:18
SputTonio_: so use LGPL10:18
Sputthat allows use in proprietary apps and requires giving back modifications10:18
SputI find that sane10:18
Tonio_Sput: any LGPL stuff will never end up in windows for example, few chances in OSX10:18
jcastroNightrose: are you guys planning to participate in the GBJ?10:18
Tonio_Sput: by default I mean...10:18
Sputso what? I don't want *my* code to end up in windows without being compensated10:19
Tonio_Sput: matter of choice, I can understand that ;)10:19
EbdomosTonio_: Unfortunately I do not have a great understanding towards the variety of licenses today. Some of the things that I think are important is that the content in question is protected from being abused by proprietary vendors10:19
Tonio_Ebdomos: and I understand that too :)10:19
EbdomosTonio_: So my ideal license would abide by that, however, I dont know much about them to know the crucial differences10:20
* Sput likes that Gallium3D is GPL for example, to enforce opening up graphics drivers that want to benefit from the technology10:20
Tonio_but if you want any technology to become a de facto standard, bsd licence helps since most vendors will tend to adopt it10:20
Tonio_Sput: I don't want anyone to be forced :)10:20
Tonio_Sput: different vision of freedom :)10:20
Sputyeah, the old dispute :)10:21
Tonio_Sput: I'm a linux lover10:21
Tonio_Sput: but I'd like to see zeroconf/bonjour by default on windows10:21
Sputfor me freedom does not imply forcing me (as an enduser) into having to use proprietary closed crap10:21
Sputso I welcome any incentive for vendors to open up their drivers10:21
Tonio_Sput: that would be VERY cool, and will never happen with a gpl/like licence10:21
Tonio_Sput: zeroconf could become a way more widelly standard if there was a BSD implementation10:22
Sputisn't bonjour an apple protocol?10:22
Tonio_Sput: but that's not true in any context10:22
Sputand why can't MS just implement the spec themselves?10:22
Tonio_Sput: yeah, it is10:22
Sputno need to steal code10:22
Sputas long as specs are open10:22
Tonio_Sput: as I said, there is no steal of code with the BSD :)10:22
Tonio_Sput: to make my vision simple : GPL is perfect to protect the dev10:23
Tonio_Sput: BSD is more a benefit for the end user10:23
Tonio_I understand the first option, but do prefer the second ;)10:23
Sputsorta, but e.g. in the case of drivers it depends - because BSD allows the vendor to keep specs closed, which results in lower-quality or non-existing drivers10:23
Tonio_Sput: bah... GPL + NDA isn't any better ;)10:24
Tonio_Sput: most linux gpl drivers are coded with an NDA on the specs, specs <> driver code10:25
Sputwell, a GPL driver can easily be reverse-engineered :)10:25
Tonio_Sput: not any easier than with bsd since the code also is available somewhere ;)10:25
Tonio_at the very source at least ;)10:25
Tonio_but it can *also* be used somewhere else where you won't get the sources, true that10:26
Sputfor intermediate stuff like Gallium3D this means that a vendor can take that code, and glue a closed driver around that10:26
Sput-> no benefit for the enduser10:26
Tonio_Sput: never ending discussion :) no big deal as long as we respect each other10:26
Tonio_Sput: don't think about linux to linux10:27
EbdomosTonio_: A combination of both licenses would work best.10:27
Tonio_Sput: I consider global computing world, including MS, osx, and anything else10:27
Tonio_Sput: that's just a matter of dev, but believe me, when I see gpl2 incompatible with gpl3, that's just PAIN in the a**10:28
Tonio_and never ending discussions about "we can't package this because of the licence, not good blabla"10:28
Sputyeah, deep in my heart I hate all licences :)10:28
Tonio_Sput: that's why I said the WTFPL :)10:29
Tonio_Sput: bsd compatible, but no deep reading requires, fully compatible and no need to discuss :)10:29
Tonio_Sput: the perfect one ;)10:29
Tonio_http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/10:29
Tonio_Sput: licence from sam hocevar, a previous DPL10:30
Tonio_Riddell: will you let knetworkmanager on the cd or demote it to universe ?10:30
RiddellTonio_: it's on the CD, we'll throw it out of the archive if plasmoid-n-m proves to actually work10:32
Ebdomoswill kubuntu Jaunty have any kde3 libraries?10:33
RiddellEbdomos: yes but we hope to get rid of them from the CD, not sure if we'll manage that or no10:34
EbdomosGood luck10:34
Tonio_Ebdomos: we still have k3b, that's the latest kde3 stuff we cannot replace right now10:35
Riddellgosh, amarok compiled10:35
Riddell** please test amarok from my PPA    deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main10:35
Tonio_Riddell: I saw you talking about trueg re-working on it ?10:35
Tonio_Riddell: what are the changes to test ?10:35
RiddellTonio_: if it works and if the music collection still works10:35
Tonio_Riddell: of ! so there is no improvement ? ^^10:36
EbdomosTonio_: next version assumingly is going to be k4b?10:36
RiddellTonio_: helio seemed confident that trueg would get a KDE 4 k3b release out10:36
RiddellTonio_: the improvement is that this could go into main10:36
Tonio_Ebdomos: no, that's the funny joke ! :)10:36
Tonio_Riddell: ah, mysql problems fixed.... testing right now10:36
Tonio_Riddell: gotten it to work with 5.0 mysql then ?10:37
EbdomosTonio_:  sheesh. Recently I read a interview with Shuttle, and he talked about the possibility of porting gnome to qt. I think that would be pretty nice, a ton of apps could probably drop the k from their name10:37
RiddellTonio_: no 5.110:38
Tonio_Ebdomos: don't dream, that's unlikelly to happen :)10:38
Tonio_Ebdomos: it was a shuttleworth little provocation to create the debate, and that was very intelligent :)10:38
Tonio_Ebdomos: but that'll *never* happen ;)10:39
Tonio_Ebdomos: it means rewrite *everything* from scratch in gnome10:39
Tonio_Ebdomos: look at how hard it was for kde to just "port" everything.... rewritting gnome is mostly impossible right now10:39
EbdomosTonio_: im sure it could manage10:40
Tonio_Ebdomos: but occasionally, some apps can be ported to Qt, like vlc for example10:40
Tonio_Ebdomos: gnome devs love C, and not C++ :)10:40
Tonio_gnome going Qt, all devs leaving the project :)10:40
EbdomosTonio_: its a tricky situation10:41
Tonio_but on the other hand, qt is probably the perfect toolkit for portable application10:41
Tonio_Sput: we'll agree on that point I think :)10:41
EbdomosTonio_: well that is why nokia grabbed it, wasnt it?10:42
Tonio_Ebdomos: they also wanted qtopia ;)10:42
Tonio_Ebdomos: but yes I was a bit affraid, but they are doing amazing things with it...10:42
Tonio_Ebdomos: porting to new environments, fix the licencing problems and so on....10:42
Tonio_Ebdomos: really, a big thank you to nokia on that point :)10:42
Ebdomosah, thats good10:43
EbdomosTonio_: hows the port to windows going?10:43
Tonio_kde port ?10:43
Ebdomosyes10:44
Tonio_Ebdomos: still experimental.... kdepim crashes quite often10:44
Tonio_Ebdomos: my only interest in the port is kdepim, to be honnest10:44
Tonio_Ebdomos: amarok is great, but windows has plenty of very nice audio players10:44
Tonio_Ebdomos: it really misses a good pim client if you except Outlook, which is very expensive10:44
Riddellwhat nice audio players does windows have?10:45
Tonio_I heeard konqueror and dolphin were working correctly, although I doubt that's very usefull for the end user10:45
Tonio_Riddell: winamp10:45
Tonio_Riddell: foobar2000 (best ever...)10:45
Tonio_and honnestly, WMP isn't that bad in it's last version10:45
EbdomosIm not to stoked on songbird10:46
Riddellwinamp has no collection and a UI from the 1990s10:46
RiddellWMP doesn't work with ipods10:46
Tonio_Riddell: HU ?????? have you tested a recent winamp ?10:46
EbdomosIt is far to slow10:46
Riddellnope, don't use windows :)10:46
Tonio_Riddell: winamp isn't the winamp 3 you knew :)10:46
Tonio_Riddell: http://notasueltas.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/winamp-bento.jpg10:47
Tonio_Riddell: all options activated in this case, but it can look like this (the default is a little lighter !!)10:47
Tonio_WMP doesn't work with ipid -> IPOD doesn't work with WMP :)10:48
Tonio_Riddell: that's the correct order, Ipods are bad, that's my opinion :)10:48
RiddellI really hope that colour scheme isn't the default10:48
Tonio_Riddell: nope, default is blueish10:49
Tonio_Riddell: but the UI is very modern since winamp 510:49
Tonio_well I'm fine to see kde ported to windows, but I doubt that's usefull for most apps... except from kdepim :)10:50
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that the winamp you talked about ? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DuUr1onTzXQ/R14x-l-g7fI/AAAAAAAAAEE/u55DcYuO2gs/s400/winamp.gif10:50
Riddellyes10:50
Tonio_Riddell: yeah that's pretty outdated (4 years at least...)10:51
Tonio_Riddell: and linux should have foobar2000... really this app rocks (and is free software... but windows only)10:51
Tonio_hum, no it changed to go closed sources.... so bad :)10:53
ScottKRiddell: Re brasero and backports is I don't see a bug against brasero claiming it will do this.  We'd need to supercede it with a higher version, not just remove it so people who've installed it get fixed too.10:54
ScottKRiddell: So ideally I'd like to see this get fixed on Jaunty and backport that.10:55
Tonio_Riddell: and windows also has itunes, which is (outside the closed and ipod link aspects) a very good mediamanager/audioplayer :)10:55
Tonio_Riddell: so as I said, there are lots of good apps for windows, and I doubt amarok will be successfull in there...10:56
Tonio_xorg is really not stable on jaunty right now......11:16
Tonio_I get a crash/cpu hang/memory leak every day....11:16
* Mamarok knows why she did *not* make the step yet11:25
Tm_TI'm slowly being in a point where my system has more jaunty than intrepid packages11:26
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Nightrosejcastro: if you tell me what i need to do and when i am in (sorry but i havn't kept up with planets during the last week so i am out of the loop kinda)11:44
Tonio_Riddell: we have to take care at koffice2 a bit...12:01
Tonio_Riddell: ftbfs on the current 4.2 dev packages...12:01
Tonio_Riddell: see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21756111/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.koffice2_1%3A1.9.98.5-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz12:01
jcastroNightrose: no worries! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GlobalBugJam12:03
Nightrosejcastro: thx   /me looks12:05
Tonio_Riddell: found the fix for this ;) uploading12:06
mrvanesbasket misses libartskde.so.1 in jaunty12:10
Nightrosejcastro: alright - so i just put my name under upstream projects and do some promo when the time is near? and then help people triage amarok bugs when needed on that weekend?12:12
jcastroNightrose: sure, whichever way works for you. :D12:12
jcastroNightrose: I will likely blog about it also12:12
Nightroseok12:13
jcastroNightrose: we have a little grid there of bug lists for people to work on12:13
Nightrose*nod*12:13
jcastroif you want you can feel free to add a list and then you can send people to it12:13
jcastro\m/12:13
Nightrose;-)12:13
Tonio_Riddell: amarok works for me :)12:13
NightroseJontheEchidna: fanzy being the downstream contact for amarok for the clobal bug jam? else i'll just be up and downstream contact12:15
Tonio_hum questions about the ppa... is tarbal needed for initial ppa upload ?12:16
Tonio_if the package already exists in ubuntu ?12:16
Tonio_coz I don't want to upload koffice from here, to be honnest :)12:16
mrvanesOr should I file a bug? Seems like a packaging issue to me...12:24
JontheEchidnaNightrose: what's a downstream contact?12:52
NightroseJontheEchidna: the kubuntu contact for the clobal bug jam12:53
JontheEchidnaTonio_: if the tarball's published in the archive you only need to do a diff upload12:53
JontheEchidnaNightrose: sure12:53
Nightrose*global12:53
Tonio_JontheEchidna: great ;)12:53
Nightrosegreat - will put you down in a minute12:53
Tonio_I wasn't just sure with the ppas :)12:53
JontheEchidnayeah, tricksy things those ppas12:56
Riddellclobal?13:07
JontheEchidna[07:53:00] <Nightrose> *global13:09
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Riddell** daily CD ISOs need testing for alpha 413:15
Riddelloh I wish I had bandwidth13:15
LureRiddell, Tonio_: k-d-s needs change due to rename of networkmanagement plasmoid13:17
Lure/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-appletsrc still mentions networkmanager13:17
rgreeningI wish I had ten additional pairs of hands13:17
Tonio_Lure: I saw that, I'll handle this one13:17
RiddellLure: what is it calle dnow?13:17
Tonio_Lure: right now :)13:17
LureRiddell: networkmanagement13:18
Tonio_Riddell: I forgot to mention you, that changed yesterday13:18
Tonio_Riddell: I'm fixing13:18
rgreeningk-d-s needs to have konversation removed I assume, yes?13:18
Tonio_rgreening: hum, true that13:19
Riddellin what version?  I have 0.0+svn920287 and my ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc says plugin=networkmanager13:19
LureRiddell: did you have time to look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLensFun13:19
Tonio_Riddell:  0.0+svn920770-0ubuntu113:19
LureRiddell: I did not open bug yet, as pakcage is still in NEW13:19
Riddelloh, our local mirror is out of date13:19
Riddellthese sprints are really painful for development13:20
Lureoh, you are on spirnt13:20
LureRiddell: any interesting development for kubuntu?13:20
Riddellalthough it does mean I get to use the word Crudités for the first time in my life13:20
Tonio_Riddell: :)13:23
Tonio_Riddell: yeah, I never understood why we don't call that "légumes"...13:24
Tonio_Riddell: it becomes "crudités" in front of the table.... so stupid :)13:24
Tonio_Lure: KDS uploaded, bzr up to date13:27
RiddellLure: got amarok in main sorted13:27
RiddellLure: david barth seems to want to get the message indicator in kubuntu for jaunty and we spoke about how to do that, he seems to be keen to make sure it all works in a suitably KDE way13:28
ScottKRiddell: We have no spec for that.  KC would need to accept it IMO.13:30
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Riddellhope so13:35
ScottKTonio_: Did we really need that last kdepim upload in the middle of a freeze?13:37
Tonio_Riddell: what's up with the ppas ?13:42
Tonio_Riddell: kdepimlibs5-dev: Depends: libboost1.35-dev but it is not going to be installed13:42
Tonio_Riddell: no problem to install locally, did I miss something ?13:42
Tonio_ScottK: bah it'll go in when the freeze ends, no?13:42
ScottKTonio_: You're trying to install something else at the same time athe wants boost13:43
ScottKTonio_: No.  The freezes are soft now.  It's up to you not to upload.13:43
Tonio_ScottK: oups, oki, sorry for the issue then....13:43
ScottKOnly the Beta/RC freezes are hard freezes.13:43
Tonio_ScottK: changes are minor, btw13:43
ScottKTonio_: Now you know ...13:43
Tonio_ScottK: the thing is that with sieve activated, kdepim hangs the cpu and will crash kde by the end....13:44
Tonio_ScottK: can be annoying :)13:44
ScottKIt's more a question of if it causes any CDs to have to be respun.13:44
ScottKNot sure about where we are on that.13:44
Tonio_ScottK: yeah, I can understand that....13:44
Tonio_ScottK: well that's the first part of the patch.... kdepimlibs is coming too13:44
Tonio_ScottK: I think now kdepim is uploaded, better upload the second patch right ?13:45
Tonio_ScottK: and once again sorry, I thought it was a hard freeze13:45
ScottKArgh.  What's the effect of just having the one part patched?13:45
ScottKIs there a regression or is it just not fixed?13:45
Tonio_ScottK: nothing, it just won't fix the crash :)13:46
ScottKI'd say hold it then unless Riddell says he wants it.13:46
Tonio_ScottK: the bug impact is null for people not using sieve, but for people doing so, it makes kmail unusable...13:47
Tonio_Riddell: you decide :)13:47
ScottKI'm good with whatever he says.13:47
Riddellwait until freeze is over else we'll never have a chance of doing this alpha13:47
Tonio_ScottK: I didn't understand your comment with libboost1.35-dev.... this is not a conflict, it says package is broken, which is obviously wrong13:48
Tonio_Riddell: okay, I'll wait for kdepimlibs then13:48
Riddelltest some ISOs in the mean time!13:48
ScottKIt is.13:48
Tonio_Riddell: not showstopper bug, but for people like, not being able to use kmail is a bit painfull...13:48
ScottKlibboost and libboost1.35 aren't con installable.13:48
ScottKcon/co13:49
ScottKWe're in the midst of transition currently13:49
Tonio_ScottK: hum, looking on that point then13:49
ScottKTonio_: I've got a kdenetwork upload waiting for the freeze to be over.13:49
Tonio_ScottK: ok13:50
ScottKCurrently anything that build-dep on kdenetwork-dev and anything that's transitioned (like kdepim-dev) will get that error on the buildds.13:50
ScottKIf there are others, feel free to prep those too.13:50
Tonio_ScottK: no libboost-dev or anything reference, and apt-get build-dep liboost1.35-dev works13:51
ScottKI didn't upload it as it didn't seem to affect anything in Main.13:51
Tonio_ScottK: I'm a bit lost it fails in my ppa...13:51
snikkerLure: Hi, i'm trying to install your digikam package (from lunchpad), but  the package manager say that it's not authenticated (even if i've add your gpg key to my keyring)...13:51
ScottKTonio_: What's failing?13:51
Tonio_deps check....13:51
ScottKTonio_: Which package?13:51
ScottKsnikker: Did you install the PPA's key or Lure's key?13:52
Tonio_ScottK: hum wait, I think I didn't test the good package, you may be right :)13:52
snikkerScottK: ppa key13:52
ScottKOK.  Then I'd ask in #launchpad.  We've no control over PPAs here.13:53
Tonio_ScottK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21978462/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.koffice2_1%3A1.9.98.5-0ubuntu4~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz13:53
Tonio_ScottK: right, it build-deps on liboost-dev.....13:54
snikkerScottK: ok, i wait13:54
Tonio_ScottK: thanks for the tip13:54
ScottKYou're welcome.13:54
ScottKTonio_: Is there a bug on the seive problem?13:59
ScottKI'm thinking we ought to add it to known issues for the Alpha 4 release notes.14:00
Tonio_ScottK: nope, I generally report when I can't fix myself, and as I had the bug....14:00
Tonio_the fix...14:00
Tonio_ScottK: reporing the issue14:00
RiddellTonio_: we have a new koffice2 beta if you're looking for packaging it14:04
Tonio_Riddell: great, will do that tomorrow then, I'll be on contrib day14:05
Riddellunstable/koffice-1.9.98.6 on ktown14:07
Tonio_Riddell: great, downloading, I'll probably work on that toonight14:09
Riddellsuper14:09
Tonio_Riddell: hum, where is it hidden ? ktown leads me to the techbase...14:10
Tonio_ktown.kde.org right ?14:10
ScottKTonio_: There's a 'known issues' section in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha4/Kubuntu where it'd be good to document your seive issue.14:11
Tonio_ScottK: okay, doing right now14:11
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Tonio_Riddell: ah.... svn tag...14:12
Tonio_Riddell: tired, sorry :)14:12
RiddellTonio_: you have to log into ktown, I seem to rememebr you have access14:19
RiddellTonio_: hmm, no you don't14:20
RiddellTonio_: ok I added your ssh key, try ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org14:22
Notch-1hi, i've created a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/, but it seems to run 2 times, does anybody know why?14:40
rgreening!kubuntu14:42
ubottuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE14:42
rgreeningNotch-1: we do kubuntu here, so no low level support here14:42
rgreeningjust the KDE desktop and related apps14:42
JontheEchidnaI think kpackagekit has a bug14:43
seeleshouldn't that be updates? i thought we had a discussion about Kubuntu not being Ubuntu + KDE but it's own thing14:43
Notch-1rgreening:  thank you, where i sould ask?14:43
JontheEchidnaHovering over the "action" column for any package puts a small + icon, even when then action icon is a minus14:43
Tonio_Riddell: anyway, there is a tag on the svn.... I go can with that, no ?14:44
Tonio_Riddell: thanks for giving me access14:44
rgreeningNotch-1: not 100% sure, but you could try asking in the ubuntu channel14:44
Notch-1rgreening: you mean ubuntu-devel?14:45
RiddellTonio_: always use the official tar14:46
Riddellah, glatzor14:46
Tonio_oki doki14:46
Riddellglatzor: did you see the packagekit MIR issue?14:46
rgreeningNotch-1: sure.14:46
JontheEchidnahttp://imagebin.ca/view/WD61_0.html14:46
Riddellseele: you talking about the bot factoid?  just suggest a better wording and we can poke whoever controls that14:47
Notch-1rgreening: thanks, i't just hard to get attention on some channels...14:49
rgreeningya14:49
davmor2Riddell: Stop bloody re-spining you git :D14:54
glatzorRiddell, hello Riddell, Right. I was at a seminar the last days and could not take a look at it.14:54
glatzorRiddell, I will so in the next hours.14:55
Riddelldavmor2: I protest innocence14:57
Riddellooh, still half an hour until I download this ISO.  which is the same as it was an hour ago14:57
davmor2Riddell: Meh lose you off this time then :)14:58
Riddell20090127.1?  that date looks wrong14:58
JontheEchidnacan anybody try searching for "dolphin" in kpackagekit? It fails for me14:58
rgreeningJontheEchidna: try flipper14:59
JontheEchidnalol14:59
rgreeningIm old14:59
rgreening:P14:59
* JontheEchidna is barely old enough to get that reference14:59
JontheEchidnargreening: btw, did you get to look at that suse patch?15:00
smarterRiddell: tried using rsync?15:00
davmor2Riddell: it's bloody hardy.215:00
rgreeningnot yet. I dl it... JontheEchidna, hopefully in an hour or so...15:00
Riddellsmarter: I don't have my normal ISO download computer here so nothing to rsync to15:01
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I can find dolphin in kpackagekit15:01
JontheEchidnargreening: do you get a failure message?15:01
JontheEchidnaoh, you can15:01
JontheEchidnahmm15:01
rgreeningnope15:01
Tonio_Riddell: one stupid question.... what is katelier ? I never heard about it :)15:02
RiddellTonio_: can't remember, we don't need it, it's for windows or something15:02
Tonio_oki ;)15:02
Tonio_yeah I know it's not packaged, that was just for curiosity :)15:02
LureRiddell: archive.ubuntu.com get stuck very often for me from work, but is fast from home15:18
LureRiddell: at work, the only way to get large things down is to reget often15:18
Luremaybe something like this hits you at sprint...15:18
LureRiddell: btw, you are in London/CanonicalHQ?15:19
Riddellif only, Canonical Tower has a direct fibre link to the data centre, no bandwidth problems there15:21
RiddellI'm in a concrete block hotel in East Berlin, surrounded by concrete blocks of flats for miles around15:21
seelesounds depressing15:22
Riddellwell at least I get a hot date with ellen tomorrow :)15:23
* seele sighs15:23
seelei see how it is15:23
seelehehe15:23
LureRiddell: very inspiring setting... ;-)15:24
davmor2Lure: It is the more he fixes the quicker he's allowed to come back home :)15:25
Riddellwe went go-carting last night, the gnome packager ran me over and my knee now has no skin on it15:27
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JontheEchidnaoww15:30
* Lure thinks that Riddell will skip next Akademy due to too many gnome's in the neighbourhood ;-)15:31
davmor2See how he blames gnome guys to continue the flame war......15:31
davmor2:)15:32
Luredavmor2: lol15:32
* Lure -> home, be back later (and it is about time to get quassel-core on some system) ;-)15:32
davmor2Riddell: I'm starting on kubuntu now15:54
Riddelldavmor2: I'm doing amd64 desktop now15:55
davmor2Riddell: I'm starting with i386 alt :)15:55
nixternalRiddell: is this for ISO testing?15:57
nixternalif so, I have successfully installed x86 and x86_64 alternates within the past 24 hours utilizing different install routines15:58
davmor2nixternal: yeap15:58
nixternalroger that, I will do a quick qa check on the website then15:58
davmor2nixternal: It needs to be the candidate image15:59
nixternalwhen was the candidate image released?15:59
davmor2sorry phone16:02
davmor2nixternal: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all16:02
nixternalya, those are the ones I used16:03
Riddellnixternal: this european morning16:04
Riddell12 hours ago or so16:04
davmor2less than that Riddell16:05
nixternalRiddell: ya, i just got them not even 8 hours ago16:05
nixternalwow, the iso site is super slow this morning16:11
Riddellnixternal: it's because you're stuck in a hotel with slow ADSL being used by 60 geeks16:11
Riddelloh wait..16:11
nixternallol, that is you?16:11
Riddellmmm16:11
nixternalhahaha, I am at work with super faster internet and it is still slow16:12
Riddell"scanning the mirror" says ubiquity, that'll be it stuck for the next hour then16:14
nixternalheh, I actually installed everything pretty fast this morning16:15
nixternaldid 4 installs with pxe and about 6 w/o pxe16:15
Riddellnixternal: netboot?16:16
nixternalno, pxe16:16
nixternalregular alternate isos via pxe16:16
Riddellisn't pxe netboot?16:16
nixternalya16:17
davmor2nixternal: Riddell:  That's because it's being uploaded to by 60 geeks stuck in a concrete jungle :)16:17
Riddellwow, I have five battery plasmoids now16:18
nixternalhehe, must be a super laptop16:18
rgreeningha16:18
Riddellhas anyone had a problem of black text on plasmoids?  rick from the server team as just moaning to me16:19
nixternalext4 kicks ass!16:19
nixternalRiddell: which plasmoids? I haven't noticed anything like that16:19
* Riddell kicks nixternal's arse16:19
Riddellnixternal: all of them16:19
nixternalhaha16:19
nixternalno, I have not come across that16:19
nixternalon Intel chips on both Intrepid and Jaunty16:20
* JontheEchidna hasn't come across that either16:20
nixternalnow my workstation here at work is NVIDIA Quadro NVS290 - which means KDE 4 w/o composite only :(16:20
nixternalI can't live without compositing because it makes things easer in a lot of cases for me...so I am using GNOME instead16:21
Riddellyay, it installed16:24
Riddellstrangely compositing works great on the CD session for me but not from my installed session16:24
Riddellworks if I wipe my kwinrc, must be some plugin that doesn't work on ym machine16:30
davmor2Riddell: I got unable to load widget on nm16:37
Riddelldavmor2: known issue, fixed earlier today but won't get on the CDs unless we respin (which I really don't want)16:38
RiddellScottK, Sput: quassel seems to pleasingly "just works"16:38
davmor2Riddell: hmm I'd say the was pretty major16:38
RiddellScottK, Sput: where is the default channel set?16:39
RiddellScottK, Sput: it joins #kubuntu but you still have to click on it in the left bar to see it, I think it should switch to the channel as soon as it joins (same on /join #foo)16:40
RiddellScottK, Sput: how can we turn off the show me everything window?  I'm really not a fan of it16:40
glatzorRiddell, is ist possible to only upload a subset of the binary packages to main? Or is only handled on the source package level?16:41
Riddellglatzor: source packages in main can have some of their binaries in universe16:41
glatzorRiddell, I don't want to have the mozilla and gstreamer plugin in main16:41
glatzorRiddell, are there some special tags required?16:41
Riddellglatzor: I'll just keep those ones in universe when I move the rest to main16:42
Riddellit's an archive admin task16:42
jussi01Riddell: just view -> chat monitor16:42
glatzorRiddell, fine.16:43
Riddelljussi01: I mean in config files, in kubuntu-default-settings16:44
jussi01Riddell: oh please dont :( !!!16:44
davmor2nixternal: How did you do a whole drive install using ext4 when the default for whole drive is ext3?16:45
Riddelljussi01: why not?16:49
SputRiddell: we still have to decide upstream if the chat monitor should be default or not... I guess in any case, we can provide you with a kubuntu only patch that tweaks defaults for you16:49
Sput(probably easier to change the default in code than in settings files for these things)16:50
Sputthe startup-experience will still be tackled16:51
seeleSput: i think having it turned off by default simplifies the UI more for the audience we are going for16:51
davmor2Riddell: are you on your laptop on wifi?16:51
Sput(such as, selecting the status buffer or the first channel)16:51
seeleit's up to you if you want a patch, or we can ship the option in the config file16:51
Sputseele: yes, but if we decide to have it like that upstream anyway, we don't need to patch it :)16:51
Riddelldavmor2: yes16:51
seeleSput: ah :)16:51
Sputso I think it'll be sensible to wait until we have the startup defaults the way we like it, and then patch for kubuntu from there :)16:52
davmor2Riddell: so how did you configure it without the use of nm?16:52
Riddelldavmor2: alt-F2   knetworkmanager16:52
Riddelldavmor2: or Cashew, add network manager plasmoid16:53
davmor2Riddell: Meh still think it needs to be in by default :)16:54
jussi01Riddell: in my humble opinion, the chatview is one of the super features of quassel and to me its not something that shoud overly confuse people, so whhy not have it. once the user gets used to it (if they used irc before) its good, and if they havent they dont know any different. but meh, whatever.16:57
Riddelljussi01: what's the point?  it's too small to be useful, if someone says my name elsewhere I'll see a highlight, it's just a random distraction to me16:58
ScottKWell it can be a bit confusing at first and if it will be present by default it ought to be easy to remove.16:59
ScottKclaydoh: Do you think any of your KDE3 living forum dwellers could be interested to do some iso testing?17:01
ScottKWe have candidate images for a Kubuntu 8.04.2 that need testing.17:01
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ScottKThe tech board approved doing Kubuntu 8.04.2 image, so we need testers for that.  Anyone?17:03
Riddellwow, this kdebluetooth icons is doing something17:04
davmor2ScottK: I can but not till jaunty is outta the door ref #ubuntu-release :)17:04
Riddellnot convinced that systray is the best place to put the UI, but at least it wworks17:04
RiddellScottK: I can't until I'm back with real bandwidth I'm afraid17:05
ScottKdavmor2: Thanks and understand the priority.17:05
ScottKRiddell: Roger.  Have fun in the 3rd world.17:05
davmor2Riddell: is there a bug for n-m plasmoid being borked17:07
RiddellScottK: 2nd, not going to the 3rd until March17:07
Riddelldavmor2: no, it's a bug in kubuntu-default-settings which is now fixed anyway17:07
ScottKRiddell: Given the bandwidth, I thought maybe Berlin qualified as 3rd...17:07
Riddellhow do I put images in the wiki these days?17:08
davmor2Riddell: yes but not on the cd's so I need a bug to report against :P17:08
Riddelldavmor2: go ahead and report one if you wish, we'll just set it to Fix Released :)17:08
a|wenScottK: any relevance if the test-result arrives in ~20-24 hours17:09
ScottKa|wen: Yes.  Definitely.17:09
davmor2Riddell: np's but I need to do my job too :)17:09
* a|wen starts downloading with his 2nd-3rd world class internet17:10
a|wenScottK: how's status on the extra kdebluetooth update in intrepid-proposed?17:11
ScottKGood point.17:11
ScottKLet me check17:11
Riddellit's still in unapproved queue17:12
ScottKCandidate ISOs for Kubuntu 8.04.2 are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/daily-live/20090126.1/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/daily/20090127.1/17:12
Riddellpitti is currently in a meeting with important people so I can't disturb immediately17:12
ScottKRiddell: Would you ask pitti to accept it?17:12
ScottKRiddell: Or would you?  It just adds a missing depends.17:12
RiddellScottK: his meeting might be ending17:14
ScottKRiddell: Thanks for taking care of it.17:14
a|wenScottK: links in topic? ... as the links on the qa iso-tracker doesn't work17:14
RiddellSput: why is the default username not the users's account name?17:14
ScottKJontheEchidna: Could you look at the Universe plasmoids and retry as needed on armel?17:15
RiddellSput: and why is the real name not set from /etc/passwd?17:15
ScottKa|wen: Yes, the links in the iso tracker are wrong.17:15
SputRiddell: interesting ideas... probably because that information is not easily available in a platform-independent way17:15
Riddellhum, I'd expect it to be somewhere in Qt or kdelibs but maybe not17:16
Sputbut could be #ifdef'd17:16
* ScottK notes that the other main developer appears to use something called a "Mac".17:16
Sputyeah, he's strange17:16
SputEgS uses emacs too :)17:16
jussi01hahah17:17
* ScottK senses some kind of near recursion there.17:17
jussi01EgS: is strange, but we love him :D17:17
Sputin a purely platonic way17:17
jussi01hehe17:17
jussi01yeah17:17
Sputanyway, any such issues you guys find, please tracker them as feature requests17:18
ScottKjussi01: Would you mind grabbing Riddell's suggestions and putting them in the Quassel tracker?17:19
* Sput cookies jussi01 if he does that17:20
* Sput resumes working on the job that actually pays him meanwhile17:20
jussi01Sput: Im just getting visitors, but if nobody has done it by tomorrow/tonight if they leave early enough Ill do it.17:22
ScottKMaybe astromme will do it in the meantime.17:24
* astromme wakes from a sleep17:25
astrommehmm?17:25
astrommeScottK: What might I do? Riddell's suggestions? Where?17:27
ScottKastromme: Read the scrollback a bit.  Jr had some suggestions about Quassel default setup that Sput asked to have added as feature requests in their tracker.17:28
ScottKWould you be up for that?17:28
ScottKastromme: Starts about 50 minutes ago17:28
astrommeScottK: Possibly. I'm quite busy today but if I need a break from engineering, I'll take a look.17:29
ScottKastromme: Great.  You and jussi01 can tag team or something.17:29
a|wenScottK: how is 4.1.4 in general going ... any issues turned up here the last days we need to deal with?17:37
ScottKa|wen: Glad you asked.  Just one.  Let me get you the bug number.17:38
ScottKa|wen: Have a look at Bug #324232.  I'd love some suggestions.17:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 324232 in kdelibs "Any KDE4 application started in GNOME becomes full screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32423217:38
a|wenScottK: uh oh, that looks kind of strange, yeah ... do we have anyone that can confirm the wrong behaviour being consistent? (my 4.1.4 install is on a netbook, so no room for gnome)17:41
ScottKNo.  All I got is someone clicking it affects Gentoo also.17:41
ScottKWould you be up for a drag through the KDE svn to see if anything has turned up post release?17:42
a|wenScottK: found kde bug 183123 with one from gentoo having the problem in 4.1.4 ... i'll link them17:45
ubottuKDE bug 183123 in general "Konqueror and Dolphin both start in fullscreen" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18312317:45
ScottKa|wen: I'm not sure the Gentoo guy has the same problem and I can't reproduce his issue.18:00
* Sput has Gentoo but no Gnome to test18:01
mluser-workshould'nt mplayerthumbs be pulled in for vidio file previews in both konqueror and dolphin?18:03
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ghostcubehmm guys i have a problem in kde 4.1.1 there was an option to get compiz startet by an self made script inside systemsettings wheere is this option gone oO18:05
ghostcube4.1.418:05
ghostcubenow in kde 4.2 i cant find it anymore oO18:05
ghostcubeafaik it was sessionmanagement18:06
a|wenScottK: i'm not entirely sure either ... but they could very well be caused by the same change18:08
JontheEchidnaghostcube: it got moved to default applications18:08
astrommeCan somone ping me? I want to test out some notification stuff18:09
ghostcubeJontheEchidna, thank you very much :)18:09
JontheEchidnaastromme: pling18:09
ghostcubei never had searched there lol18:09
JontheEchidna;-)18:09
astrommeJontheEchidna: Thanks. Once more?18:09
JontheEchidnaScottK: all of them built18:09
JontheEchidnaastromme: ping18:09
JontheEchidnaoh, there's one18:10
* JontheEchidna retries18:11
a|wenScottK: we want a fix for kde bug 179921 right? (commit in 4.1 branch marked as "bad regression in 4.1.4!")18:12
ubottuKDE bug 179921 in general "KDE 4 1 4, context menu - paste file option is always grayed out" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17992118:12
ScottK-desktopa|wen: I don't have that problem.18:16
ScottK-desktopIt works for me.18:16
ScottK-desktopAt least as well as it always has, which is you need to have both windows open before you copy.18:16
a|wenScottK-desktop: do you have the paste in context-menu?18:17
ScottK-desktopI do if both windows are open first.  I've had that needed since 4.1.2, but that patch may fix it.18:18
ScottK-desktopLet me look into it.18:18
ScottK-desktopIt may not be a regression, but it'd sure be a handy fix.18:18
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a|wenScottK: nothing about fullscreen issues though ...18:21
ScottK-desktopnixternal: You have Gnome, don't you?18:29
vacationloggerneversfelde: sure, I'll be near nurmberg in about 1.5 years...18:30
* vacationlogger sings a song about how tired he is18:30
ScottK-desktopMayne he can try to replicate it.18:30
ScottK-desktopMayne/Maybe18:30
* ScottK-desktop pours a cup of coffee for vacationlogger.18:31
vacationloggeroh noes, I have to go to bed in approx 2 hours :S18:31
ScottK-desktopIf coffee now will keep you awake in two hours, you aren't tired.18:32
vacationloggerwell18:35
vacationloggerif coffee had a psychological effect on me, that might be so18:35
vacationloggerbut since caffeine gets taken up by the stomach it would only get distributed after > 30 minutes18:35
vacationlogger+ it got a half-life >2 hours, so it ought to be fatal ;-)18:36
a|wenScottK: if you can get any kind of confirmation out of a gnome user please add it ... in the mean time, i'll try to do some debugging together with him, to see if it is a conf-file problem18:38
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ScottK-desktopThanks.18:40
* a|wen will go to bed ... 8.04 iso remaining time ~5h :/18:40
nixternalScottK-desktop: yes I have GNOME18:42
rgreeningJontheEchidna: that flash patch is SuSE specific it would seem18:43
JontheEchidnawell, yes. but it could be adapted18:43
rgreeningthe function ymp_flash18:43
apacheloggerrgreening: it's suse, Suse, SUSE, or openSUSE18:43
JontheEchidnargreening: tmp_flash is a QUrl18:43
JontheEchidna*ymp18:43
ScottK-desktopnixternal: If you're on Intrepid with your Gnome, would you please install Kontact from intrepid-proposed and see if you can replicate Bug #32423218:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 324232 in kdelibs "Any KDE4 application started in GNOME becomes full screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32423218:43
JontheEchidnahorrible naming scheme, I know18:43
rgreeningoh, a variable class instance18:44
rgreeningI see.. right18:44
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: isn't there some fancy gnome app that does that fullscreen stuff?18:44
JontheEchidnaI was thinking maybe we could get it to call install-package instead of downloading a .ymp file18:44
apacheloggermade for the netbook thingies18:44
* ScottK-desktop boggles a bit that miscapitalization of SuSE is enough to snap vacationalogger back to apachelogger.18:44
ScottK-desktopHildon?18:44
nixternalScottK-desktop: well according to the description, no I cannot replicate...I run a multitude of KDE apps in my GNOME session and have never had that behavior18:45
apacheloggernah, that is the menu IIRC18:45
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yes, but that would mean that both gnome and kde apps would be affected at once318:45
nixternalI will install Kontact now18:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: might as well not18:45
ScottK-desktopnixternal: Do you have 4.1.4 from intrepid-proposed?18:45
ScottK-desktopThanks.18:45
apacheloggerwe know how ubuntu thinks of well established X standards18:45
apachelogger:P18:45
nixternalerr, 4.2 stuff18:45
apacheloggerone patch here, and one there, and \o/18:45
JontheEchidnahehe18:45
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I assume that we would simply point it at the flash-nonfree deb in our repo?18:45
nixternalScottK-desktop: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu218:46
nixternalthat what I want?18:46
JontheEchidnargreening: I was thinking maybe we could call install-package to install the package rather than loading a file18:46
ScottK-desktopThis is where apturl would come in Handy.18:46
rgreeningright18:46
JontheEchidnanot point at a deb18:46
ScottK-desktopnixternal: No, 4.1.4-0ubuntuwhatever it is in -proposed.18:46
JontheEchidnasince that would change each new version of flash18:46
nixternalbbiaf....phone call18:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: in either case that would only be controlable bye the window manager ... that is: if the bug is about _real_ fullscreen18:46
* JontheEchidna testbuilds basket18:48
LureRiddell: do you know if anybody uploaded fixed kdeedu (marble packaging) to intrepid (k-experimental)?18:54
LureRiddell: tackat is complaining that they are getting many bug reports18:54
JontheEchidnaSo, basket's debuild clean target directly modifies the source... is that bad?18:55
ScottKRiddell: I'm pleased to report KDE all built on lpia and good progress on armel.18:57
* ScottK is currently staring at prumnopitys and willing it to peddle faster on kdebindings.18:57
ScottKThe other ports archs are currently totally broken due to kernel/libdrm mismatches, so nothing to do there.18:58
rgreeningScottK: does that mean we could have an iso for lpia?19:01
rgreeningkubuntu one I mean19:01
ScottKI'm checking where kubuntu-meta is with lpia19:02
ScottKI'll know in a moment19:02
rgreeningcause my Acer one would simply love it19:02
ScottKYep.19:04
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ScottKrgreening: I've asked.19:15
davmor2Should oem end user be just grey?19:16
rgreeningk ScottK.19:21
davmor2I'm going to try an kubuntu oem install with the nvidia module enabled and see if it will go through to the end and install the end user19:31
EgSScottK, Sput, jussi01: I really don't know what to say... :P19:34
SputEgS: "sorry"?19:35
Sput:)19:35
EgSSput: stfu!19:36
LureRiddell: I have uploaded fixed kdeedu (marble) to kubuntu-experimental/intrepid to make #kde-edu people happy19:36
EgS(you know: as in "sharp thoughts for you!")19:36
Sputhrhr LD19:36
Sputeh19:36
SputXD19:36
ScottKclaydoh: I'm not that familiar with kubuntuforums, so this may be totally in the wrong place: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101429.0 - please move it somewhere better if there's a good spot.19:41
ScottKOK, so I've blogged on planet and trolled on kubuntuforums looking for KDE3 testers.  We'll see what happens.19:41
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davmor2ScottK: are you not on planet Ubuntu>19:42
ScottKWill be in a minute.19:42
ScottKUnless of course planet is somehow hosed.  We'll see.19:43
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I have modified the patch. Will attempt applying and building now.19:46
JontheEchidna^_^19:46
JontheEchidnargreening: btw: http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/browse.py19:46
JontheEchidna<319:46
rgreeningusing KProcess to launch install-package and request to install flass-nonfree19:46
rgreeningI assume thats correct19:47
JontheEchidnaI think so, we could probably steal the code our adept modification uses to launch software-properties-kde19:47
rgreeningthats what I was looking at.19:47
rgreening:)19:47
JontheEchidnalol19:47
JontheEchidnaSo how was the kde3 approach compared to this?19:48
rgreeningBut I didn't go as far as it does to disable the parent window19:48
rgreeningthis is mui el simple19:48
rgreeningtres facile19:48
* ScottK notes feature freeze in 10 days, but no pressure.19:49
rgreeningI don't think ufw-kde will make it :( no time with everything else that's more important to do...19:51
ScottKI think that's correct prioritization.19:52
ScottKFWIW19:52
rgreeningI know :) I need more hands and brain cells19:53
LureScottK: do you know if anybody is working on qt-creator packages? afair it should be released soon (arount qt 4.5 release)19:59
LureScottK: this would be great to get in before FF19:59
ScottKNot afaik.19:59
ScottKI'd look for a needs-packaging bug and see if anyone has said they are.19:59
ScottKYou might look in Debian too.19:59
LureScottK: will check and open bug otherwise20:01
rgreeningfabo was Lure / ScottK20:01
Lurergreening: oh, great, will check with him then...20:02
JontheEchidnargreening: btw, here's a bug number for debian/changelog: bug 20396720:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 203967 in kde4libs "[hardy] not prompted to install flash plugin" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20396720:07
rgreeningJontheEchidna: cool. thanks.20:09
Lureis ppa upload warning about size something to be concerned (kubuntu-experimental)?20:10
smarternop20:10
rgreeningsmarter: they are soon enforcing PPA size.20:11
smarteroh, didn't know that20:11
rgreeningI was speaking with a LP dev today on it.20:11
smarterso we should probably ask for more spaces20:11
rgreeningsmarter: yes20:12
rgreeningScottK: ^^20:12
rgreeningor JontheEchidna ^^20:12
rgreening:)20:12
* JontheEchidna isn't admin of that team20:12
rgreeningI have $WORK issues20:12
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ^^20:12
* ScottK notes NCommander is the one that got us the PPA20:12
* JontheEchidna wonders how far the referral chain can go :P20:13
rgreeningthats the Private one not this one though, correct20:13
JontheEchidnaThe private one would need a size limit exception too though20:13
rgreeningthough it should be checked as well. 4GB for all opur PPA's should be what we need atm20:13
rgreenings/all/each/20:14
rgreeningKDE takes ~2.5 - ~3.0GB20:14
ScottKI can pretty well guarantee you don't want me going to LP devs and asking for favors.20:14
rgreeninglol20:14
rgreeningI got mine set at 3GB20:15
JontheEchidnaIf I start building Qt regularly I'd probably want 2 GB20:16
Tm_TI would build Qt regularly if I had reasonable cpu powers to do it20:17
Lurergreening: my upload warned me that we are above 4 GB20:17
JontheEchidnawell, that's what PPA's are for20:17
Tm_TJontheEchidna: not suitable for my use, I'd say20:18
Tm_TJontheEchidna: regularly could mean daily20:18
JontheEchidnaoh20:18
rgreeningLure: really. hmm...20:18
Tm_TI build KDE4 trunk several times every day20:18
JontheEchidnaI just use it when I test patches every once and a while20:18
rgreeningwe prob need to delete some superceeded stuff20:18
rgreeningLure: ^20:18
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I have been build Qt regularly... :(20:19
Lurergreening: probably yes20:19
JontheEchidnahehe20:19
davmor2Ha kubuntu oem failing is down to the nv driver20:23
* smarter thought davmor2 was speaking dutch when reading the first half of his sentence20:24
JontheEchidnaheh20:25
davmor2smarter: :P20:25
smarter:]20:25
JontheEchidnakubotu: chat about freaky-deaky dutch20:25
JontheEchidnakubotu: chat20:25
JontheEchidnakubotu: ping20:26
kubotupong20:26
rgreeningsugar.. my PPA is gone past 3GB now... dam lpia starting to successfully build20:34
JontheEchidnalol20:35
ScottKvorian: kpovmodeler currently recommends a package in multiverse.  It can't be in Main and do that.  Would you please look at it and see if it's better to keep it in Main and drop the recommeds to suggests or to move it to Multiverse?21:06
ryanakcanixternal: ping, what's the status on your build magic for help.kubuntu.org?21:08
ScottKryanakca: I'll guess the answer is, "zomgosh, I am SOOO busy, I haven't got to it yet".21:17
ryanakcaScottK: *nod*, haven't seen him in a while, but then, I guess I haven't been around here lately either. Thanks :)21:28
jpdsryanakca: Don't get him excited.21:39
jpds15:39:13 < nix.ternal> jeesh, had me excited there for a second..thought you wanted to give me some free money21:40
ryanakcaheh.21:40
Lureany intrepid/experimental user around? does recent kdeedu works for you?21:52
* Lure has fixed marble packaging to prevent digikam crashes and complaints from #kde-edu21:53
danimosomebody was looking for me?22:05
claydohScottK: I moved your post to Kubuntu announcements :)22:06
ScottKclaydoh: Thanks.22:07
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ScottKI'm expecting the usual amount of actual help I get from such requests, but at least I tried.22:07
Lureok, if somebody has problem with kubuntu-experimental/kdeedu, direct him to my e-mail...22:07
* Lure ->bed22:07
ScottKNCommander: kdebindings built on armel \o/22:09
SimeScottK: for ARM based CPUs you mean?22:09
ScottKSime: Yes.22:09
Simeok, cool22:09
ScottKarmel is our ARM port.22:10
ScottK4.2.022:10
Simeand IIRC, you've got a big patch which makes that possible.22:10
ScottKI think so, but I think it got submitted upstream.22:10
ScottKIf not, let me know and I'll fix it.22:11
SimeI haven't seen anything.22:11
Simeupstream to where?22:11
Simedebian?22:11
ScottKOK.  No, I was thinking kde.org22:12
ScottKLet me look22:12
ScottKSime: Looks like mostly we have a patched PyQt4 and http://pastebin.com/f579b37c6 - We've also disable nepomuk related bindings.22:16
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?22:17
Tonio_Riddell: don't know if you are aware of that22:17
Tonio_Riddell: but there is an issue with your amarok.... I thought it worked out, but after a reboot, it is broken...22:18
Tonio_Riddell: Error message:22:18
Tonio_QLibrary::load_sys: Cannot load /usr/lib/kde4/libamarok_collection-sqlcollection.so (libmysqlclient.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)22:18
Tonio_Riddell: I hope that helps... strange that it worked after a killall and restart.... but that's what happened22:18
ScottKTonio_: For your koffice package, please be sure to drop kdelibs4-doc from depends/recommends since we aren't building it anymore.22:19
Tonio_ScottK: yup thanks for the reminder :)22:20
ScottKYW.  I was looking at NBS and koffice is the only rdepend left.22:20
ScottKOh my.  armel build of kdepim 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu7 in ubuntu jaunty RELEASE   Started 8 hours ago   [ 38%] Building CXX object  ...22:26
ScottKSo only ~13 hours to go.22:27
martijn81when i want to compile ktorrent from source, i get a cmake warning that kdepimlibs folder cannot be found22:38
JontheEchidnado you have kdepimlibs5-dev installed?22:38
martijn81do anyone of you know what this folder is renamed in?22:38
martijn81i have install kdepimlibs5 and kdepimlibs5-dev and it still does not work, see this-> http://pastebin.ca/132750622:38
martijn81yeah, is installed22:39
JontheEchidnahmm22:39
Riddellmartijn81: it's looking for KDE 4.322:40
Riddellwe only package KDE 4.222:40
ScottKRiddell: What do you think about Kubuntu ISOs for lpia and armel?22:41
RiddellScottK: mm, does Ubuntu Desktop have them?22:42
ScottKlpia no.  Let me look at armel22:42
RiddellI mean those arches want more customised images for different install types I think22:42
ScottKRiddell: armel does have an Ubuntu Desktop image.22:43
Riddellwhere?22:43
ScottKRiddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/jaunty-desktop-armel.iso22:44
ScottKThe customized images are under mid and other dirs.22:44
ScottKI don't see a reason why standard images couldn't go in ports.22:44
ScottKrgreening has an lpia device he'd like to run Kubuntu on.22:45
RiddellI wonder what sort of hardware takes ARM ISO images22:45
ScottKIn theory KDE 4.2 should ~work without the tons of customizations that Gnome needed.22:45
ScottKseele has an N810 that runs KDE 4.1.  Dunno how it got on there.22:46
martijn81Riddell: well, under kde 4.1.3 it worked well22:46
ScottKI think it'd be good to just provide standard Kubuntu Desktop images and see what people can do with them.22:46
Riddellhere they have various curious thing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/22:47
ScottKActually I looked again and we have armel in our ports dir22:48
ScottKhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/22:48
RiddellI'm all for getting Kubuntu on wee devices I just don't know if a CD ISO is any use as a format22:48
ScottKI missed it the first time I looked.22:48
ScottKrgreening seemed to think it'd be of use for him on his acer.22:49
martijn81but what can i do about this>22:50
martijn81?22:50
davmor2ScottK: no cd in the acer22:50
JontheEchidnamartijn81: oh, they changed some things in KDE 4.222:50
JontheEchidnain the cmake build system22:50
JontheEchidnawhat version of ktorrent is this?22:51
martijn81subversion22:51
JontheEchidnahmm22:51
martijn81the newest22:51
JontheEchidnadon't know why it would fail then22:51
JontheEchidnaunless its too new22:51
ScottKdavmor2: OK.  Dunno what he thought he was going to do with it.22:51
martijn81JontheEchidna: the developer says it is out of his control22:52
ScottKdavmor2: How does mobile get stuff on there?22:52
davmor2he might be planning on using the usb writer tool22:52
davmor2ScottK: normally they are .img files and you dd them to your usb device and boot of that22:53
ScottKI see.22:53
martijn81here see this-> http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=286022:53
martijn81anyone knows what todo?22:57
martijn81well otherwise, how can i compile and ignore the warnings?23:00
martijn81nobody?23:09
seeleScottK: package fairies put it on there23:11
JontheEchidnawhat version of KDE again?23:12
martijn81JontheEchidna: 4.223:13
ScottKseele: Did you see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/387923:13
seeleScottK: whoa! no i didnt!23:14
* seele adds it to the KDE Mobile page23:14
JontheEchidnamartijn81: for some reason cmake is thinking that your KDE4 library directory is in /usr/lib23:14
ScottKI thought you'd be interested.23:14
JontheEchidnaer23:15
JontheEchidna/usr/lib/cmake23:15
JontheEchidnawhen it needs to be /usr/lib23:15
seeleScottK: thanks for the link.. i don't keep up with all kdedevelopers stuff, just what shows up on planet23:16
JontheEchidnaSo that's how it fails, but I have no idea why23:16
martijn81JontheEchidna: so the cmake file needs to be changed here?23:16
seeleoh duh.. it is on planet, i just didn't read my feeds recently enough23:16
JontheEchidnamartijn81: well this is the line where it fails:23:17
JontheEchidnafind_package(KdepimLibs ${KdepimLibs_FIND_VERSION} QUIET NO_MODULE PATHS ${KDE4_LIB_DIR}/KdepimLibs/cmake )23:17
JontheEchidnasomewhere along the cmake chain it thinks ${KDE4_LIB_DIR} is /usr/lib/cmake23:17
JontheEchidnaor at least I think that's the problem23:18
JontheEchidnathough I am having second thoughts23:18
martijn81JontheEchidna: i will try the RC1 release and see whether that goes on23:20
martijn81JontheEchidna: the weird thing is that the RC1 release DOES compile23:26
martijn81so there must be something wrong in current svn23:26
JontheEchidnayeah23:26
martijn81i reported it on the forums, lets see what it gives23:30

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