[00:00] <Dragnslcr> Not in 8.10
[00:00] <Dragnslcr> kubuntu-kde4-desktop was only in 8.04
[00:01] <letalis> exec uname -a
[00:02] <letalis> Ubuntu 8.10 letalis-desktop tty2
[00:02] <letalis> thats at the top of all of my console logins.
[00:03] <letalis> so im running 8.10
[00:04] <letalis> and the kubuntu-desktop package installs the 3x series.
[00:04] <letalis> :P
[00:05] <letalis> im not trying to be rude about it. just informing everyone if it ever comes up
[00:05] <Dragnslcr> Check your apt sources then
[00:05] <genii> That can't be right. Since 3.5 last shipped with 8.04
[00:06] <Dragnslcr> apt-cache search kubuntu-kde4-desktop     kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu desktop system
[00:08] <letalis> the disk i used was the original ubuntu 8.10 one it might be that kubuntu is issuing the disc with kubuntu-desktop proviging the kde4 ones by default. but i doubt it since they all share the same base repos for the most part
[00:09] <cbwcjw2> I personally think KDE 3.5 is just as good as 4.2, for about the same reasons. Wierd, huh?
[00:09] <letalis> i liked 3.5
[00:09] <cuznt> i liked 3.5 but i like 4.2 betterer
[00:10] <cbwcjw2> Yea, I like them about the same, but confronted with a choice, i would take 4.2 anyday
[00:10] <Defense|Twin> http://flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991047111/ vs. http://flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991042741/in/photostream/ i know it is a bit outdated.. but the problems are still the same
[00:10] <cuznt> i would wrestle an older person for it.... but only if i thought i could win
[00:13] <cbwcjw2> So language issues?
[00:15] <Defense|Twin> cbwcjw2: its a question of quality
[00:15] <cbwcjw2> What langauge do you speak nativley?
[00:16] <Dragnslcr> The tray icons being messed up could be any number of issues, including video drivers
[00:16] <zaapiel> hi
[00:16] <zaapiel> i need some help with my clock in kde 4.1
[00:16] <zaapiel> how can i make it show am/pm?
[00:16] <zaapiel> <---american
[00:16]  * genii discards his walker and leaps on cuznt, wrestling them to the ground
[00:17] <zaapiel> i have no clue what time 19:17 is
[00:17] <zaapiel> lol
[00:17] <cbwcjw2> 7:17 :)
[00:17] <genii> zaapiel: 17-12=5
[00:17] <genii> 19-5=7
[00:17] <zaapiel> yeah
[00:17] <zaapiel> how about i just make it show am/pm
[00:17] <cbwcjw2> My dad was in the navy (I hate him though...) I learned mili/24hour time early on
[00:17] <zaapiel> that would be cooler
[00:17] <genii> etc
[00:17]  * cuznt gives genii a wet willy and laughs manically
[00:17] <cbwcjw2> My watch has been on it for 2 years. I love 24 hour time, making me love the taskbar even more
[00:18] <genii> cuznt: Hehe :)
[00:18]  * cbwcjw2 takes picture of wet willie in action and uploads to internet.
[00:18] <Dragnslcr> zaapiel- System Settings -> Regional and Language
[00:23] <marek_> hi, how can i add "mobile broadband" connection in knetworkmanager?
[00:23] <vbgunz> what packages do I need to install the nvidia binary driver and virtualbox debs from the sun site?
[00:24] <zaapiel> Dragnslcr: ty
[00:25] <cbwcjw2> !nvidia | vbgunz
[00:26] <talonstriker> which repo do I need to add to install kde 4.2?
[00:26] <cbwcjw2> talonstriker: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[00:26] <vbgunz> cbwcjw2: I am not trying to follow that guide. I am really looking for the tools I need from the repos to build stuff **like** nvidia and virtualbox
[00:26] <cbwcjw2> Oh.
[00:27] <vbgunz> I know theres a bundle of stuff I need, not sure what it is. its dev stuff though, not sure the name :(
[00:27] <Zorix> build-essentials
[00:27] <vbgunz> Zorix: awesome, sounds very familiar :)
[00:28] <cbwcjw2> !info build-essentials
[00:28] <cbwcjw2> !finfo build-essential
[00:29] <cbwcjw2> !info build-essential
[00:30] <Zorix> yea thats it... its a meta package
[00:31] <cbwcjw2> Zorix: Yea, I literally scroll through packages when im bored.
[00:31] <Zorix> wow
[00:31] <Zorix> i got bored at work today so i installed dopewars
[00:31] <gonzo145> good evening everyone
[00:31] <cbwcjw2> !info cappuccino
[00:32] <cbwcjw2> Thats the funniest.
[00:32] <cbwcjw2> Evening gonzo
[00:32] <Zorix> what is it
[00:32] <cbwcjw2> It bassiclly just takes up one desktop
[00:32] <cbwcjw2> and displays random terminal lines.
[00:32]  * genii apt-gets moo
[00:32] <cbwcjw2> :)
[00:33] <Zorix> nice
[00:33] <cbwcjw2> Well, considiring im 15, and all homework is knocked out, im extremley bored. Any ideas besides apt-get moo?
[00:34] <Zorix> heh 15
[00:34] <Zorix> surprised you arent on myspace or something
[00:34] <cuznt> try synaptic
[00:35] <Pici> !ot | Try This
[00:35] <Pici> Or #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[00:36] <cbwcjw2> :( Nobodys asking questions, in fact, not a new person has joined in quite a bit
[00:37] <PSiL0> !acpi
[00:37] <PSiL0> hmmm, I have 5 temperature sensors running (TZ1-5), how do I find out what each is referring to?
[00:48] <spowers_> dumb question:  Installing kubuntu-desktop on a standard ubuntu-desktop (gnome) ubu box gets me everything i need, correct?
[00:48] <cuznt> basically
[00:48] <cuznt> yes
[00:48] <spowers_> anything else you'd recommend?
[00:48] <cuznt> games dont come standard
[00:49] <spowers_> i don't need teatimer or amor
[00:49] <spowers_> ;)
[00:49] <cuznt> nor do i
[00:49] <genii> spowers_: If you are only goint to run one desktop see !puregnome or !purekde factoids
[00:49] <genii> *going
[00:49] <spowers_> i'm not hung up on purity
[00:50] <spowers_> i have 4 gigs of ram
[00:50] <spowers_> besides, if i'm going to run firefox i'm essentialy loading the gtk2 stack anyway, minus the settings daemon
[00:50] <spowers_> anyone here running kde sessions on nfs homedirs?  does that still work okay?
[01:09] <matt123> hi!
[01:10] <cbwcjw2> !hi | matt123
[01:10] <matt123> i've accendely changed the resolution on my system, and now my monitor is displaying out of range
[01:10] <matt123> how to i reconfigure the resolution - I am using 8:10
[01:10] <marek_> matt123 do you use kde 4?
[01:11] <matt123> yes
[01:11] <marek_> matt123 have you used krandtray before?
[01:11] <v3trae> anyone have a preference on bit torrent clients?
[01:12] <matt123> ls
[01:12] <matt123> when I click on krandtry, the monitor goes into out of range
[01:12] <zaapiel> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131026
[01:12] <zaapiel> thats the lappy i just ordered
[01:12] <matt123> cd ..
[01:12] <zaapiel> w00t
[01:13] <marek_> matt123 you can try to remove its file
[01:13] <marek_> s
[01:13] <marek_> i did it once
[01:13] <marek_> and it went back to default configuration
[01:13] <matt123> marek_ what would be the file that i delete my friend?
[01:13] <marek_> matt123 one moment
[01:13] <matt123> marek_ thanks
[01:14] <marek_> .kde/share/config/krandrrc
[01:14] <marek_> delete it and restart X
[01:17] <v3trae> linux is better at HD imo.
[01:19] <matt123> marek_ thank you my friend!!
[01:19] <marek_> matt123 no problem
[01:19] <matt123> ok, may I ask another question?
[01:19] <marek_> sure
[01:20] <EagleScreen> !ask | matt123
[01:21] <matt123> nvidia pripority driver, can it be installed on the server kernel?
[01:23] <marek_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 ?
[01:24] <vonkleist> matt123, I'm not sure, but why would you like to do that?
[01:24] <matt123> vonkleist, that is a good question, I have installed server, and now have added kubuntu, but the refresh is very slow
[01:25] <evremonder> sorry! I don't konw anything about python
[01:27] <v3trae> trying to point firefox at thuinderbird for e-mail handling, it's already installed, where exactly do i point it? I don't see thunderbird in /bin/
[01:27] <kaddi_> try /usr/bin
[01:28] <v3trae> kaddi_: there it is, thank you
[01:36] <matt123> Hi - does anyone know what text editor you can use when you only have a terminal?
[01:40] <binMonkey> matt, you can use vim.
[01:40] <OxDeadC0de> matt123: nano, vim, vi, emacs
[01:40] <v3trae> matt123: i like nano personally.
[01:40] <v3trae> matt123: smallest learning curve in my opinion
[01:44] <matt123> thank you
[01:46] <cbwcjw2> I love nano. Small, but your features are there.
[01:47] <v3trae> yeah, i'm a big fan
[01:47] <v3trae> class i'm in we have to use vi and it makes me really mad
[01:47] <cbwcjw2> Ouch, If its graphical, kate works really well for me as well.
[01:50] <genii> pico also
[02:03] <OxDeadC0de> vi sucks imo, vim is where it's at ;)
[02:05] <OxDeadC0de> :%s/replace/with/g  (/g=global instead of just first occurance on each line) , :w, :wq, :q, :q!, i, r, o, c, p, v-c-p, and that's just the tip of the iceburg! folding is neat-o..
[02:08] <OxDeadC0de> folding alone when used properly can make vim worth it.. can make a huge source code file completely navigateable
[02:12] <v3trae> is there a way to get the CL ftp application to show progress bars on uploads and downloads?
[02:14] <vbgunz> I have an old installation and there is something I need to salvage. I cannot boot into the old installation to do it :( I need to get the *old* dpkg --get-selections ... anyone know how I can do this?
[02:16] <zaapiel> how do i get kde 4.2 for 8.10?
[02:16] <cbwcjw2> zaapiel:http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[02:17] <zaapiel> ty cbwcjw2
[02:18] <cbwcjw2> Sure thing
[02:18] <cbwcjw> Wow! cbwcjw is finally not in use. Took long enough.
[02:20] <OxDeadC0de> vbgunz you may be able to boot on a live cd, mount the hd, then chdir to it?
[02:20] <OxDeadC0de> er, vbgunz: chroot to it
[02:21] <v3trae> vbgunz: still having troubles?
[02:21] <OxDeadC0de> zaapiel see topic
[02:28] <underdog_> does anyone know how to change the ubuntu's system language?
[02:29] <v3trae> underdog_: System Settings>Regional & Language
[02:32] <zaapiel> wow
[02:32] <zaapiel> kde 4.2 is slick
[02:32] <hybrid> looks good
[02:33] <v3trae> zaapiel: yeah i upgraded last night, i likes it
[02:33] <zaapiel> no more panel glitch
[02:33] <zaapiel> that was getting on my nerves
[02:33] <v3trae> zaapiel: have you installed the nvidia 180.22 drivers?
[02:34] <v3trae> zaapiel: cause i recommend it as far as performance
[02:34] <zaapiel> nah, where i get those?
[02:35] <underdog_> v3trae: sorry, i'm using ubuntu
[02:35] <underdog_> i'm in the wrong channel :)
[02:35] <v3trae> underdog_: thats okay =)
[02:35] <underdog_> do you know how by any chance?? =)
[02:35] <v3trae> zaapiel: nvidias website, i'll find you the walkthrough
[02:35] <zaapiel> k ty
[02:35] <v3trae> underdog_: to switch channels?
[02:35] <underdog_> hehe no
[02:35] <underdog_> the language
[02:36] <v3trae> underdog_: oh no, i haven't run gnome in a long time
[02:36] <v3trae> underdog_: #ubuntu chat can probably help you
[02:36] <v3trae> zaapiel: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=993788 is a good walkthrough, although it applies to gnome, so when you're rebooting gdm, just change gdm to kdm and stick to the routine and you'll do fine.
[02:37] <underdog_> v3trae: np.  thanks.
[02:37] <v3trae> underdog_: absolutely =)
[02:37] <zaapiel> ah ill just wait
[02:37] <zaapiel> no worries
[02:38] <v3trae> zaapiel: only takes about 20 minutes including reboot time
[02:43] <Gun_Smoke> No default weather widget in 4.1 eh?
[02:43] <Gun_Smoke> pretty odd
[02:44] <dr_Willis> None in 4.2 - but i think theres one in 4.2 now
[02:44] <dr_Willis> oops 4.1 :)
[02:44] <Gun_Smoke> 4.2 had one.
[02:44] <Gun_Smoke> I just left 4.2 for 4.1 and was surprise it was missing.. as important as a caculator if you ask me.
[02:45] <v3trae> weather is overrated =P
[02:45] <v3trae> i can't even get conky to work on 4.2 =*(
[02:45] <dr_Willis> conky has always been a bit tricky to get to display properly on gnome and kde.
[02:45] <dr_Willis> due to how they take over the  root window/desktop layers.
[02:45] <v3trae> i can get it to display in a window, but i can't get it to melt to background =*(
[02:45] <v3trae> yeah well, i don't know any alternatives that are that simple
[02:46] <v3trae> everything is all GUI ish and ugly
[02:46] <v3trae> if i could port rainmeter over to linux i'd do it in a second, i love that on my windows box.
[02:47] <dr_Willis> Using conky on kde 4.2 .. is sort of like err....     Putting a Posteit note on a 100000$ plasma tv. to show you the channel lisings. :)
[02:47] <dr_Willis> but if it works. ;)
[02:47] <v3trae> haha well, its minimalistic. i like the floating text idea. Adium is my favorite chat program on the planet because it just floats without windows and borders.
[02:49] <dr_Willis> Ages ago the big 'trick' was to use a xterm, or whatever,   with no borders/transparent/below all  on the root window. and have it run top, or some other tool
[02:49] <C_Kode> How do you get the cube to work in 4.2?  I just installed apt-get install kubuntu and now the cube stopped working even after I reenabled it
[02:50] <C_Kode> At least control+alt Left or right arrow worked with Gnome.
[02:50] <yuriy> C_Kode: you enabled it in kde system settings?
[02:50] <v3trae> dr_Willis: alot of people use xterm in the same functino to get a floating terminal, which i found to be a pain in the ass, i just use tilda.
[02:50] <C_Kode> yuriy, Lets see/
[02:51] <zaapiel> dude
[02:51] <zaapiel> wtf
[02:51] <zaapiel> i dont have srm anymore
[02:51] <C_Kode> yuriy, It says it's enabled.
[02:51] <zaapiel> i thought that was built into kubuntu
[02:53] <yuriy> C_Kode: look at the settings for it
[02:53] <DeeDotDee> Would it be possible to take the CD image and burn it to a DVD correctly? Or should I just bunker up and download a huge DVD ISO ?
[02:54] <syockit> DeeDotDee: should be possible
[02:54] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: probably no idea how to do it though
[02:54] <C_Kode> yuriy, I see.  It's Ctrl+F11 instead of Ctrl+atl+direction
[02:54] <DeeDotDee> syockit: Nero doesn't like giving it a DVD-R
[02:54] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: nero's for chumps
[02:54] <syockit> DeeDotDee: No other burning solution?
[02:55] <syockit> DeeDotDee: alcohol etc
[02:55] <DeeDotDee> syockit: BurnAware Free?
[02:55] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: are you on windows? @_@
[02:55] <DeeDotDee> v3trae: yes, obviously I am downloading an install CD/DVD
[02:55] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: oh, well in that case yeah i dunno, if nero can't do it i don't know what would.
[02:56] <DeeDotDee> I can't find LTS 8.04.2 , just 8.04.1
[02:56] <DeeDotDee> on DVD
[02:56] <syockit> evil vendors locking their hardware
[02:56] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: and considering this is support for kubuntu everyone would assume you're asking about kubuntu, IE you're running it. So obviously isn't really appropriate.
[02:56] <C_Kode> yuriy, Thanks.
[02:56] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: just download the dvd imo
[02:57] <DeeDotDee> The DVD/CD ISO isn't supported?
[02:57] <DeeDotDee> WTF
[02:57] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: why don't you just get 8.10?
[02:57] <DeeDotDee> v3trae: I had issues with it
[02:57] <syockit> DeeDotDee: try infrarecorder maybe
[02:57] <syockit> DeeDotDee: burnaware looks creepy to me
[02:58] <v3trae> syockit: windows apps look creepy. esp free ones.
[02:58] <syockit> v3trae: at least you can trust them gpl'ed ones
[02:58] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: 64 bit or 32 bit?
[02:58] <DeeDotDee> 32
[02:59] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: yeah i dont have any luck with 8.4.2 either.
[02:59] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: finding it that is
[03:00] <DeeDotDee> v3trae: I found the CD ISO's
[03:00] <DeeDotDee> many many of those
[03:01] <DeeDotDee> I guess I'll just get the DVD ISO of 8.04.1 , then upgrade
[03:01] <DeeDotDee> Or try to find the shipit's of 8.04
[03:01] <DeeDotDee> probably in the trash by now
[03:01] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f34/possible-burn-cd-iso-onto-dvd-make-act-like-cd-195123/
[03:01] <Gun_Smoke> aptitude show plasmoid-weather for my simple weather solution.. I don't know why they didn't include that by default
[03:01] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: check that out, it might help
[03:02] <DeeDotDee> Or maybe I should win the lotto and be able to afford both CD-Rs and DVD-Rs
[03:02] <DeeDotDee> yeah.. that's it
[03:02] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: lol you and me both.
[03:02] <OxDeadC0de> for weather on 4.2 it's in extragear, you can download and install it.. it was to late to get the new weather plasmoid into 4.2 release (But I hear it's working great now)
[03:03] <DeeDotDee> I wonder why they didn't do shipits on U/Kubuntu 8.04.2 LTS?
[03:03] <DeeDotDee> or even 8.01
[03:03] <DeeDotDee> er, 8.04.1
[03:03] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: maybe not a big enough release? shrug
[03:04] <Gun_Smoke> OR, you should just be able to jigdo the iso
[03:04] <DeeDotDee> I guess they thought people could just upgrade
[03:04] <Gun_Smoke> Figure the Idea behind ship-it is to get the .debs to those who don't have the bandwidth to pull down the base
[03:05] <DeeDotDee> I don't have the bandwidth, I can download about 1-1.5 GBs a night is all
[03:05] <DeeDotDee> after that it's 425 MBs per rolling 24 hours
[03:05] <DeeDotDee> 1-6 AM I get unlimited
[03:05] <OxDeadC0de> or to those who want the prestige of having an official kubuntu cd that has a silver bottom
[03:05] <DeeDotDee> (limited to my speed plan of course)
[03:06] <Gun_Smoke> yeah so DeeDotDee, you should look into Jigdo then..
[03:06] <DeeDotDee> "Jigdo" ?
[03:06] <Gun_Smoke> you can upgrade iso's for the packages only needed..
[03:06] <Gun_Smoke> Save massive amounts of bandwidth
[03:07] <DeeDotDee> Gun_Smoke: I'll see if "Infra Recorder" , as on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto, says to try.
[03:07] <OxDeadC0de> it would be really really cool, if adept etc could do diff's on upgrades instead of full package upgrades.. that might save a bit of bandwidth.
[03:07] <DeeDotDee> can burn a CD ISO to DVD
[03:08] <DeeDotDee> if not, I'll just get the damn 8.04.1
[03:08] <Gun_Smoke> You only ever really need 1 iso.  no matter how you get it, as long as you hold onto either the CD/DVD or plain image, it can scan an image or the CD's
[03:08] <v3trae> dear christ i hate azureus
[03:08] <Gun_Smoke> DeeDotDee: that will burn your image just fine.. but to aquire the image you can use a few methods.
[03:09] <DeeDotDee> Gun_Smoke: Yes, like wget in cygwin
[03:09] <DeeDotDee> :o
[03:09] <Gun_Smoke> ftp, http, torrents, jigdo, rsync
[03:09] <OxDeadC0de> i personally like the error checking on torrents, and the few thousand seeds
[03:09] <Gun_Smoke> DeeDotDee: it uses wget. But the importing feature is it only get the debs you need and not the entire 700M iso all over again
[03:10] <DeeDotDee> Gun_Smoke: Why hasn't someone made a "converter tool" anyway?
[03:10] <DeeDotDee> I'm sure I'm not the only one with DVD-R's only
[03:11] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: maybe you should make it =P
[03:11] <OxDeadC0de> i doubt it'd be hard in linux
[03:11] <OxDeadC0de> :P
[03:11] <syockit> DeeDotDee: But I've burned CD iso on a dvd-r before!!
[03:11] <Gun_Smoke> http://www.dirac.org/linux/debian/jigdo/debian-jigdo-mini-howto_en-1.8.html
[03:11] <syockit> using normal, conventional methods
[03:12] <v3trae> any opinions on best graphical ftp client?
[03:12] <DeeDotDee> Filezilla?
[03:12] <OxDeadC0de> ya I don't see why it wouldn't work just poping the dvd-r in and .. burn image to dvd..
[03:12] <v3trae> theres a linux prot for filezilla? awesome
[03:12] <Gun_Smoke> it's just a pllugin
[03:13] <Pici> Filezilla is not a plugin for firefox/mozilla.
[03:13] <v3trae> it isn't on windows anyway.
[03:13] <syockit> On windows? smartftp
[03:13] <DeeDotDee> that's another reason I want to get on linux, I'm already there besides mIRC
[03:14] <DeeDotDee> SmartFTP went to payfor
[03:14] <Gun_Smoke> DeeDotDee: wubi to get started?
[03:14] <v3trae> no i'm looking for linux, i use filezilla when i'm on windows though
[03:14] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: irssi = elite
[03:14] <syockit> oh, has it been that long since I last used it
[03:14] <Gun_Smoke> irssi is a good skill to have
[03:15] <DeeDotDee> v3trae: last time i tried WINE + mIRC , I ended up with screwed up nicklists and people already left and all kinds of crap
[03:15] <Gun_Smoke> it doesn't take but 10 minutes to get going with it
[03:15] <v3trae> i use irssi on windows even, gui's piss me off.
[03:15] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: yeah use irssi, its light weight, easy to use, and runs in a terminal for those "oh crap i just blew up X and need help fixing it" situations
[03:15] <v3trae> =P
[03:15] <DeeDotDee> does irssi have flood protections?
[03:15] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: /shrug, i don't run into flooding in the channels i go in
[03:15] <DeeDotDee> DCC? PMs? nick changes? flood joins?
[03:15]  * DeeDotDee sighs
[03:16] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: pms and nick changes for sure. i don't do DCC anymore.
[03:16] <Gun_Smoke> DeeDotDee: have a look at it's config options
[03:17] <DeeDotDee> Sure, I'll just get out my crystal ball for when I install it if I ever get linux installed and bam.. config options galore.
[03:17] <Gun_Smoke> or google
[03:17] <v3trae> or don't be a dick @_@
[03:18] <Gun_Smoke> http://irssi.org/documentation/manual
[03:19] <Gun_Smoke> http://tinyurl.com/bq29z2
[03:19] <Gun_Smoke> http://irssi.org/documentation/tips
[03:20] <DeeDotDee> It probably isn't customizable as mIRC
[03:20] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: mIRC is for script kiddies and /b/tards.
[03:21] <AlanasAnikonis> v3trae:  now that's just a lame generalization
[03:21] <DeeDotDee> "/b/tards" ?
[03:21] <v3trae> AlanasAnikonis: shrug
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> DeeDotDee: regulars of 4chan's /b/ message board
[03:23] <AlanasAnikonis> /b/ people don't even need mIRC :P
[03:23] <AlanasAnikonis> they have their precious board
[03:23] <v3trae> AlanasAnikonis: they use irc for raids
[03:23] <DeeDotDee> I have no idea who these BB people are or their board.
[03:23] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: you're probably better off
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[03:24] <AlanasAnikonis> was gonna say the same thing, haha
[03:24] <AlanasAnikonis> what has been seen, cannot be unseen
[03:24] <DeeDotDee> Sounds like some swell ole chaps ?
[03:25] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: if by swell old chaps you mean pedophiles. Then yes.
[03:25] <DeeDotDee> LOL
[03:26] <DeeDotDee> Stephanie Cane is as close as to that I want to see.
[03:27] <Gun_Smoke> I'd say if irssi can't do it, it can't be done.
[03:27] <v3trae> Gun_Smoke: /agree
[03:27] <AlanasAnikonis> i want graphical smileys ;)
[03:27] <AlanasAnikonis> so tell me how it works.. *chuckle*
[03:27] <Gun_Smoke> :)
[03:27] <v3trae> AlanasAnikonis: is there a smiley for D= cause if there isn't, worthless.
[03:28] <AlanasAnikonis> all can be done in mIRC
[03:28] <AlanasAnikonis> or maybe konversation
[03:28] <v3trae> AlanasAnikonis: sigh
[03:28] <AlanasAnikonis> i am interested in Chatzilla
[03:28] <AlanasAnikonis> to remove the smileys from it :P
[03:28] <Gun_Smoke> yeah I hate them
[03:29] <AlanasAnikonis> some people must like them cause they're on by default
[03:29] <DeeDotDee> v3trae: was there a proper version of FileZilla?
[03:29] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: hmm?
[03:29] <DeeDotDee> If not, I want to complain somewhere
[03:30] <DeeDotDee> [09:09:49:PM] <v3trae> any opinions on best graphical ftp client?
[03:31] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: no yeah i got that, i don't get what you're asking.
[03:31] <Ketrel_> I'm having a problem with 2 plasmoids that come with kde 4.2, can anyone help?  Lancelot and RSSNow
[03:31] <DeeDotDee> Someone said it was "just a plugin"
[03:31] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: oh yeah it is it's own app
[03:31] <Ketrel_> both do not display right when plasma starts
[03:31] <DeeDotDee> OK
[03:33] <v3trae> DeeDotDee: sorry, i'm a bit out of it, stayed up all night last night getting this working.
[03:34] <Ketrel_> anyone?
[03:34] <v3trae> Ketrel_: i don't use plasmoids sorry.
[03:38] <balooooon> Hello.  Has anyone noticed a problem with theming in KDE 4.  The style always seems like it goes back to Oxygen.  Anyone else having this problem?
[03:41] <giz>  balooooon: nope
[03:42] <v3trae> balooooon: honestly haven't switched off oxygen so no, sorry =(
[03:43] <balooooon> v3trae: Minimalist! :(
[03:43] <balooooon> Just kidding. :)
[03:44] <v3trae> balooooon: =P
[03:47] <EtFb> When you install a program through Add/Remove Programs (ie Adept), it doesn't add it to your menu until the next time you log in.  Anyone else notice that?
[03:52] <PSiL0> balooooon: using "bare naked" on 4.2.0.. it doesn't switch back to the default oxygen
[03:55] <v3trae> i love kwin crashes D=
[03:57] <mefisto__> EtFb: if you open the menu editor (right-click kmenu button) and save the menu, the new programs appear in the menu
[03:58] <EtFb> mefisto__: That's a workaround.  Any idea of whether the bug is known to the developers?
[03:58] <EtFb> mefisto__: (Thanks for the workaround, though.)
[03:59] <mefisto__> EtFb: it was the same in kde3. I'm sure devs are aware of it. maybe it's not considered a bug
[04:00] <EtFb> mefisto__: Definitely didn't happen in KDE3.  I recall frequently installing software and having it appear in the menu immediately.
[04:00] <EtFb> What's the name of the project that maintains the menu?
[04:02] <mefisto__> EtFb: not all programs will create a menu item, so perhaps it's more to do with the individual packages and how they are installed?
[04:02] <giz> EtFb: I don't recall that happening untill you logged out and back in
[04:03] <EtFb> The ones in the Add/Remove Programs subset are supposed to add stuff in the menu as part of what they do, and yes I'm completely certain it didn't require a log out/in or a bit of fiddling with the menu editor to make it work in KDE3.
[04:04] <EtFb> Other packages are less reliable, of course, but onces maintained by the MOTUs are usually set up to do this.
[04:04] <mefisto__> EtFb: anyway, the default kde4 menu in kubuntu is kickoff I think
[04:04] <EtFb> mefisto__: I'll check Launchpad and see if it's been noted.
[04:08] <EtFb> ... Damn.  Can Launchpad be any less usable?  Really freaky...
[04:10] <EtFb> Ha!  This explains why I'm having trouble finding it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166935
[04:10] <mefisto__> EtFb: agreed
[04:11] <balooooon> quit
[04:16] <EtFb> I'm starting to understand why KDE4 took so long to get minimally usable, if this is how they track their bugs. It's like a graveyard in there.
[04:17] <benny__> MY KUBUNTU DIDN'T COME
[04:18] <EtFb> benny__: My aunt has a nice orange non-sequitur that she used to drive to the abattoir every Tuesday.
[04:20] <drmrhorse> i hope you got yours anyway benny__
[04:20] <v3trae> i wish truecrypt had a gui for linux =/
[04:26] <ush_> this really has a separate channel huh
[04:26] <ush_> just out of curiousity
[04:26] <ush_> isn't #kde and #ubuntu enough?
[04:27] <mefisto__> EtFb: have a look at ~/.kde/share/config/kdedrc and see if it has a    [General]    section with        CheckSycoca=true     under it
[04:27] <EtFb> ush_: Ubuntu is pretty much Gnome-only by default.  When you have a problem with something KDEish in Ubuntu, the Ubuntu people are all "what's a K menu" and the KDE people are "oh gods another n00b Windoze refugee"...
[04:28] <mefisto__> EtFb: I just added that to mine, installed mplayer, and it appeared in the menu
[04:28] <irwin> hello
[04:28] <ush_> i suppose kde is worse than gnome
[04:28] <ush_> why don't you guys use e17 or xmonad or something?
[04:28] <Guest10653> hola
[04:28] <Guest10653> para cuando esta la KDE 4.3?
[04:29] <EtFb> !es > Guest10653
[04:29] <mefisto__> ush_: kubuntu is not the same as kde or ubuntu. why shouldn't it have a dedicated help channel?
[04:29] <ush_> what's the difference?
[04:30] <EtFb> mefisto__: My kdedrc only has a [$Version] section. I figure adding something to a file in Windows .ini format is safe, so...
[04:30] <mefisto__> ush_: ubuntu uses gnome, not kde. and kde uses whatever. ubuntu + kde = something other than both of those
[04:31] <ush_> i understand how it works
[04:31] <jimmy51_home> is kde 4.2 going to be pushed as a system update sometime soon?
[04:32] <EtFb> mefisto__: What does "Sycoca" mean?
[04:32] <mefisto__> EtFb: I got that from http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/userguide.pdf KSycoca section, p. 164
[04:33] <ush_> you guys should edit your xinitrc, try out some new wms
[04:33] <ush_> it's good for your experience, your mind
[04:33] <mefisto__> EtFb: I think it's system configuration cache
[04:33] <ush_> i fly with xmonad
[04:34] <EtFb> ush_: I played with Xubuntu (ie xfce + Ubuntu) for a while, but it was just too underfeatured.  KDE suits my brain, modulo all the flaky bits in KDE4.
[04:34] <ush_> you don't need a new OS for a new WM/DE you know ;)
[04:34] <ush_> the only reason i'd even consider doign that was if i installed KDE
[04:35] <ush_> it's like that thing in the x-files that simultaneously takes over your body and keeps you alive
[04:35] <ush_> not to troll or anything...but even linus hates it now
[04:36] <EtFb> ush_: He's said he's moving away temporarily, and will try again next time he upgrades.
[04:36] <ush_> kdemod is a step in the right direction though
[04:37] <EtFb> Having used KDE4.1, I sympathise; I almost upgraded back to 8.04 and KDE3, but the improvements in KDE4.2 are excellent.
[04:37] <mefisto__> ush_: I also read he thinks xmonad is for losers :)
[04:37] <obsidian> is anyone else able to build the kdebase package from source?
[04:37] <ush_> heh...i like it a lot more than KDE, i'll tell you that
[04:37] <EtFb> mefisto__: That config change didn
[04:37] <EtFb> mefisto__: That config change didn't work.
[04:37] <ush_> fluxbox isn't too shabby either
[04:37] <obsidian> If we just do apt-get source kdebase, then debuild binary, it fails!
[04:37] <EtFb> mefisto__: Did I need to log out and in to activate it?
[04:37] <obsidian> could this possibly be?
[04:38] <obsidian> this is in intrepid, 8.10...
[04:38] <obsidian> One of the patches built into the package fails: Hunk #1 FAILED at 81
[04:38] <obsidian> !!
[04:38] <obsidian> I have never seen this before.
[04:39] <mefisto__> EtFb: try lancelot menu (that's what I'm using now). maybe it is specific to kickoff after all. I thought I noticed the same behaviour with lancelot too though (apart from just now installing mplayer after editing kdedrc)
[04:40] <EtFb> mefisto__: Haven't heard of that. Can you give me a link?
[04:40] <jimmy51_home> dangit
[04:40] <jimmy51_home> i just tried to buy a kubuntu hat from the canonical store.  apparantely they don't ship to america
[04:40] <jimmy51_home> boo
[04:41] <mefisto__> EtFb: it's in my "add widgets" list on kde 4.2. If you have 4.1 you can install plasmoid-lancelot
[04:42] <mefisto__> EtFb: http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main
[04:42] <EtFb> mefisto__: I'm on 4.2 (if I were still on 4.1 I'd've thrown my laptop out the window by now).  Is it Lancelot Launcher or Lancelot Parts?
[04:42] <EtFb> s/Parts/Part/
[04:43] <mefisto__> EtFb: launcher. not sure what the parts thing is meant to be, can't get it to do anything
[04:44] <obsidian> So, is anyone else able to build KDE from source then?
[04:44] <EtFb> mefisto__: Hate the icon...
[04:45] <EtFb> mefisto__: Looks good, though.
[04:45] <mefisto__> EtFb: me too. it's configurable!
[04:45] <EtFb> mefisto__: So it is!  That's the KDE I remember!
[04:46] <mefisto__> EtFb: it also integrates the krunner (alt+F2) so you can just type to search apps, bookmarks, calculate etc
[04:46] <vbgunz> where is daskreech!?
[04:47] <EtFb> mefisto__: Shiny!  That's so much better it's frightening!
[04:48] <mefisto__> EtFb: I really don't like kickoff. I find it confusing to navigate. I wouldn't mind if lancelot became kubuntu's default menu, maybe with a kubuntu logo icon
[04:50] <EtFb> mefisto__: Tried assigning a keyboard shortcut and it didn't work.  And I can't resize the menu (it drags instead of resizing).  So it has rough edges.  But it's much better.  Add my vote for Lancelot as the KDE 4 menu.
[04:51]  * ush_ sighs
[04:51] <ush_> they banned me in #ubuntu
[04:51] <v3trae_> vbgunz: i been looking for him too =P
[04:51] <v3trae_> ush_: whatfer
[04:52] <mefisto__> EtFb: yes the resizing is wierd, but it does work. just looks like it doesn't when dragging
[04:52] <EtFb> mefisto__: So it does.  Have to close and reopen.  Bug, then.
[04:53] <EtFb> Might pop over to #plasma and see if "Mr Lancelot" is around...
[04:53] <vbgunz> v3trae_: I solved the ethernet issue. turns out my ethernet was just fine. I am so stupid I just forgot to allow myself access through the router as I filter on mac addresses... its been so long since I played with my router :)
[04:53] <v3trae_> vbgunz: rofl
[04:53] <v3trae_> vbgunz: hahahaha
[04:53] <v3trae_> vbgunz: it's always the simplist explanation isn't it
[04:53] <ush_> here's a question i already know the answer to
[04:53] <ush_> but i'm curious if you guys can do it
[04:53] <ush_> how do you spoof your mac address in two commands?
[04:53] <vbgunz> heh. yeah. blew my head open on that one. I need an idiot rewards
[04:54] <mefisto__> EtFb: and the shortcut option in lancelot didn't work for me either, but in systemsettings > keyboard & mouse > global keyboard shortcuts, KDE component: lancelot you can set a shortcut that will work
[04:54] <v3trae_> ush_: sudo apt-get install sub7 && sh ~/scripts/hackthegibson
[04:54] <ush_> no, one that works on any distro
[04:55] <v3trae_> ush_: that was a joke @_@
[04:55] <ush_> i don't get it :/
[04:55] <vbgunz> keep is no longer packaged in kubuntu. anyone know of a good gui for backing up, preferably something rsync worthy, quick?
[04:55] <EtFb> mefisto__: Hang on - how do I suspend now?  Oh wait - that's probably available as a separate widget...
[04:55] <vbgunz> I can get keep but never liked it anyhow :/
[04:56] <v3trae_> ush_: sub7 is an old vb windows app for 12 year olds to hack there friends. hack the gibson is a joke from the 90's movie about hackers.
[04:56] <ush_> ah ok
[04:56] <buckethead> hack the gibson? wow. key auld lang syne please. Haha.
[04:57] <ush_> join our ubuntu distro
[04:57] <ush_> #unbuntu
[04:57] <ush_> where there's no software at all
[04:57] <ush_> so nothing gets screwed up
[04:57] <v3trae_> ush_: you mean xubuntu? xD
[04:57] <ush_> no
[04:57] <ush_> #unbuntu
[04:57] <v3trae_> ush_: SIGH
[04:58]  * ush_ glares at that guy]
[04:58] <v3trae_> ush_: you just don't grab onto jokes do you
[04:58]  * ush_ starts foaming at the mouth
[04:58] <ush_> you came at a bad time tillisonc
[04:58] <ush_> can you give us a minute
[04:59] <ush_> i can't believe that worked
[05:00] <EtFb> vbgunz: I went searching for a good backup program once (in Feisty I suspect) and was disgusted at the utter uselessness of everything.  Nowadays I just rely on man rsync.
[05:00] <ush_> wait until you have to thread rsync through su, there's a pain
[05:00] <ush_> the whole thing becomes some big SSH ordeal
[05:02] <datrev> здравствуйте люди, как в kopete изменить положение popups?
[05:03] <ush_> datrev: pidgin
[05:03] <EtFb> !ru | datrev
[05:03] <datrev> how i can replace popups?
[05:03] <ush_> sudo apt-get install pidgin
[05:03] <ush_> if kopete does what i think it does
[05:04] <hubar_> question, I got this error: Library "kcm_fonts" not found after upgrading to KDE4.2 (in kde-experimental repository), anyone knows how to fix it?
[05:04] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get remove --purge ush_
[05:04] <ush_> that's bad for your digestive track
[05:04]  * EtFb wonders why mefisto__ is trying to remove all the build packages of ush_...
[05:05] <ush_> over here you can do yaourt -S kopete-antispam
[05:05] <ush_> i dunno how effective it is
[05:05] <vbgunz> EtFb: I feel that. a true Ghost alternative would be slamming popping cracking huh ;)
[05:06] <mefisto__> EtFb: ush conflicts with other useful ones and should be removed completely :)
[05:06] <EtFb> vbgunz: Given the quality of the existing products, I could probably write something better (as a front-end to rsync) in half an hour in Gambas, but who has even that much time?
[05:06] <EtFb> mefisto__: Have you submitted a bug report about ush_?  Perhaps if you rebuild him from source?
[05:06] <vbgunz> EtFb: heh
[05:07] <ush_> i'm a poet
[05:07] <EtFb> Probably need to add the backpoets repositories then...
[05:07]  * ush_ cringes
[05:07] <hubar_> Anyone has any ideas?
[05:07]  * EtFb is amazed at how witty EtFb is
[05:08] <ush_> soudns like you need kcm_fonts, hubar_
[05:08] <[layer5]> you guys got any tips on makin mah sound card work? it's recognizing there is one, and even adjusts when i change the vol - but i get no sound
[05:08] <hubar_> ush_: hmm do you know which package I need?
[05:08] <ush_> layer5: alsa or oss
[05:08] <[layer5]> i think oss
[05:09] <ush_> hubar_: google site:ubuntu.com (or wherever the repos are) kcm_fonts
[05:09] <EtFb> [layer5]: I got mine working with sudo modprobe snd_intel_hda, and then added snd_intel_hda as a line in /etc/modules.  Try that, since it seems to solve the lion's share of problems, and it can't hurt.
[05:09] <[layer5]> aiigh will try
[05:09] <EtFb> [layer5]: (That is, the modprobe can't hurt.  Don't add the line if it doesn't immediately work!)
[05:09] <[layer5]> hah, okay! :)
[05:09] <nabil> slt tt le monde
[05:10] <ush_> And the watchman told, saying, He came even unto them, and cometh not again: and the driving is like the driving of Jehu the son of Nimshi; for he driveth furiously.
[05:10] <hubar_> alright, thanks, ush_ :)
[05:11] <[layer5]>  EtFb: "FATAL: Module snd_intel_hda not found."
[05:12] <ush_> layer5: restart the sound daemon first
[05:12] <mefisto__> [layer5]: it might be loaded as 2nd soundcard if you have two
[05:12] <[layer5]> ush_ : how to?
[05:12] <[layer5]> mefisto : i think i have only 1
[05:12] <EtFb> EtFb: OK, then it's time for prayer.  Drop to your knees and make a heartfelt plea to Google that She might look upon you with benevolence.
[05:12] <ush_> sudo /etc/(wherever you keep the daemons in ubuntu)/oss restart
[05:12] <EtFb> Sorry, that was for [layer5].  Dunno what I was thinking.
[05:13] <[layer5]> hah
[05:13] <ush_> or just 'sound'
[05:13] <ush_> the hell do i know
[05:13] <[layer5]> k ill try dat
[05:13] <ush_> pro tip: use alsa
[05:13] <EtFb> It helps to know the precise model of your sound card, [layer5]
[05:13] <hubar_> hmm let me see if this fixed that. :)
[05:13] <[layer5]> i kno, right!
[05:13] <mefisto__> [layer5]: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[05:14] <ush_> he has oss, doesn't he?
[05:14] <vbgunz> I was really thinking that if I upgrade my processor, ram, gpu, I would at least see faster copying/moving of files. why does it almost feel the same?
[05:14] <[layer5]> shutdown and then restarted... sudo modprobe snd_intel_hda again?
[05:14] <[layer5]> it seems its alsa
[05:15] <vbgunz> I went from a single 32bit core to a quad 64bit core. from 1gb ddr ram to 6gb ddr2 ram. a 256 fx5600 to a 7900 gtx duo.... copying and moving files feel almost the same :/ why? I thought things would speed up by about 4x ?
[05:16] <vbgunz> granted I do feel a huge improvement overall, the copying and moving is what has me frustrated in a sense... what do I need to do to improve these operations?
[05:16] <mefisto__> vbgunz: ext4 filesystem?
[05:16] <vbgunz> ext3
[05:17] <vbgunz> is ext4 supposed to be faster?
[05:17] <mefisto__> vbgunz: no, I mean that would probably improve it
[05:17] <vbgunz> oh
[05:17] <vbgunz> heh
[05:17] <mefisto__> vbgunz: supposedly. google it to see review/benchmarks etc
[05:18] <vbgunz> I have no idea how to even try converting over 200GB ext3 to ext4 ... I have no other place to put the files :O
[05:18] <vbgunz> I'll google it though :)
[05:18] <ush_> get a new harddrive ;)
[05:18] <ush_> failsafe
[05:18] <ush_> except when it fails
[05:18] <EtFb> vbgunz: In any efficient operating system, disk operation speed is bounded by the speed of the disk hardware.
[05:19] <EtFb> vbgunz: So it's a bit like asking: I got a new car, but when I drive at the legal speed limit I don't get home any faster than I used to...
[05:19] <vbgunz> heh
[05:19] <ush_> etfb: depends on the acceleration
[05:19] <EtFb> ush_: Only if you're driving a very short distance...
[05:19] <ush_> well, no
[05:19] <mefisto__> EtFb: nice analogy
[05:19] <ush_> only if you're driving for short intervals with a lot of stopping
[05:20] <vbgunz> not sure what I would need that would at least show me a really good improvement. I'd hate to turn a 2 hour operation into a 1 hour 50 minute operation... im talking at least 2x faster.
[05:20] <EtFb> ush_: Otherwise, 0 to 100 in 5 seconds doesn't make much difference when it's 50km to home.
[05:20] <ush_> what if you speed faster than cops can even WITNESS
[05:20] <EtFb> ush_: Quantum commuting!
[05:20] <vbgunz> heh
[05:21] <EtFb> ush_: "Dispatch, I just clocked a guy going over the limit in a 100 zone.  I know where he is or how fast he's going, but not both..."
[05:21]  * ush_ cringes again
[05:22] <vbgunz> well I just copied 5GB in about 5 minutes. whats faster than that?
[05:22] <ush_> copying 6GB in 5 minutes?
[05:22] <vbgunz> I ask because lately I been copying whole harddrives albeit small ones but the copying I think imo takes too long
[05:22] <vbgunz> yeah
[05:22] <vbgunz> no a little over 5GB
[05:23] <powertoo108> Does anyone know if this is a normally executing command? /usr/bin/kcmshell printers --embed-proxy 71304519 --lang en_US
[05:24] <ush_> uhhhhhhhhh.yes
[05:24] <powertoo108> ush_: Talking to me?
[05:24] <mefisto__> powertoo108: maybe you want kcmshell4 instead?
[05:25] <ush_> yup
[05:25] <powertoo108> mefisto__: I didn't knowingly run it, but I found that it was run by sudo and the proxy is suspicious to me
[05:26] <Spinshank> im having trubble accessing my ntfs drives. can anyone help me
[05:26] <powertoo108> mefisto__: ush_ I also found these commands: COMMAND=/usr/bin/gconftool --get /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy, and COMMAND=/usr/bin/gconftool --get /system/http_proxy/host, and COMMAND=/usr/bin/gconftool --get /system/http_proxy/port
[05:26] <ush_> sounds like you're being ultrahacked
[05:27] <ush_> tape up your asshole and get in for a rough one
[05:28] <powertoo108> ush_: Where do I start with forensics to find the entry point as well as anything that has been unknowingly changed?
[05:28] <ush_> unplug your computer
[05:28] <[layer5]> loool
[05:28] <ush_> wait me for me to give you instructions
[05:30] <vbgunz> I cannot write to a drive that is ext3 and nothing funny about it mounting as ro or something in fstab. why can I not write/delete on it?
[05:31] <Spinshank> gay i cant access my 500 and 750 gb hdds
[05:32] <Spinshank> -_- no music
[05:34] <powertoo108> ush_: ?
[05:35] <ush_> powertoo108: if we're going to make any progress here, you're going to have to start following my instructions
[05:35] <mefisto__> vbgunz: type: mount     does it show as mounted rw ?
[05:35] <powertoo108> ush_: ok
[05:36] <vbgunz> mefisto__: one sec
[05:36] <vbgunz> /dev/sdc1 on /media/extradisk type ext3 (rw)
[05:36] <vbgunz> but I cannot write too it... hmm maybe its owned by root?
[05:40] <eightiesk> anyone know where i might get lancelot?
[05:40] <eightiesk> !lancelot
[05:40] <mefisto__> eightiesk: install plasmoid-lancelot
[05:40] <eightiesk> thanks
[05:41] <eightiesk> i was in the middle of burning a cd last night
[05:41] <eightiesk> kubuntu froze up on me so i restarted x
[05:41] <eightiesk> and i had to restart.
[05:42] <eightiesk> happen like that to anyone else?
[05:47] <EtFb> How do I add Suspend To RAM and Suspend To Disk to my taskbar/dock/panel/whatever it's called?
[05:48] <EtFb> It seems to be missing from Lancelot...
[05:48] <mikekap_> If anybody cares, theres a workaround for getting equations to work in office 2007 under wine
[05:49] <mikekap_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6673381
[05:50] <mefisto__> EtFb: there's lock/logout but that does the same as logout in lancelot. but I just noticed when you click and hold on the "turn off computer" button it gives you a menu with suspend functions
[05:51] <EtFb> mefisto__: Which button is that?
[05:52] <Ketrel> I'm having a problem with pidgin (I'm also asking in Pidgin) but when a conversation has focus, no sound plays, but when it doesn't have focus, sound plays
[05:53] <EtFb> Wait, found it.  Thanks, mefisto__.
[05:53] <mefisto__> EtFb: after you choose to log out it pops up a window with "log out" "restart computer" "turn off computer" and the restart and turn off buttons have a downward arrow. you can click and hold down mouse button to get a menu
[05:53] <vbgunz> how can I add my windows disk into grub?
[05:54] <EtFb> vbgunz: That's got to be a pretty common question.  Pardon me while I ask ubottu...
[05:54] <EtFb> !dualboot
[05:54] <mefisto__> vbgunz: NTFS Configuration Tool, in system submenu
[05:54] <EtFb> Hmmph.  No use there.
[05:54] <mefisto__> vbgunz: oh, wrong question
[05:55] <vbgunz> I no longer have the grub admin module. I am on jaunty
[05:55] <vbgunz> am hand editing it and think I got it. seems jaunty introduced using uuid over (hd0,0), etc
[05:58] <mefisto__> vbgunz: is kgrubeditor installed?
[05:58] <vbgunz> mefisto__: one sec
[05:58] <vbgunz> mefisto__: no
[05:59] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I think I got it
[05:59] <ubuntu_> türkçe bileniniz var mı
[05:59] <ubuntu_> ?
[05:59] <ubuntu_> burada
[05:59] <ubuntu_> ?
[05:59] <vbgunz> I always tripped up over the (hd0,0) part... I never know how to get it and always forget to write it down... for the first time ever though if it can use uuid then I hope it works :)
[06:00] <vbgunz> mefisto__: will let you know how it turns out :)
[06:00] <Spinshank> its easer if you use 2 hard drives
[06:01] <Spinshank> i have vista + windows 7 + kubuntu
[06:01] <mefisto__> !tr | ubuntu_
[06:02] <ubuntu_> hmm oke
[06:02] <Spinshank> and i can boot into kubuntu in windows with vmware
[06:02] <ubuntu_> i just have a problem
[06:02] <Spinshank> yeah
[06:02] <Spinshank> what is it
[06:03] <ubuntu_> oke
[06:03] <Spinshank> !winamp
[06:04] <mefisto__> Spinshank: audacious is good too, with winamp-like interface
[06:04] <adben> or better amarok
[06:04] <Spinshank> i have anarok atm the eq is good on it
[06:04] <CuriosTiger> Hi all
[06:05] <ubuntu_> i couldn't delete files on desktop!
[06:05] <Spinshank> but i want one that can compile a db and has search tools
[06:05] <CuriosTiger> I'm having an audio problem that I think is related to my user profile. When I log in, the login sound plays, then an error message shows up about phonon failing and falling back to the default audio device
[06:05] <Spinshank> are you on kde or gnome?
[06:05] <adben> amarok too
[06:05] <CuriosTiger> once it does that, I get no more audio until I log out
[06:06] <adben> this is #kubuntu = kde
[06:06] <CuriosTiger> (This is Ubuntu 8.10 with KDE retrofitted to make it Kubuntu, if that makes a difference)
[06:07] <Spinshank> is kaffeine an good
[06:07] <eightiesk> i like kaffeine
[06:07] <eightiesk> lot.
[06:08] <adben> and dragon?
[06:08] <Spinshank> has anyone had a problem with running ntfs?
[06:08] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: look at systemsettings > multimedia   and see if changing things there helps.
[06:10] <CuriosTiger> Hrm. I have a System Settings -> Sound control panel, which seems to list umpteen variants of the same nforce audio driver
[06:10] <CuriosTiger> but messing around in there did not appear to help
[06:11] <EtFb> Spinshank: I think Kaffeine is one of the best open source projects since Firefox, personally.
[06:11] <CuriosTiger> I also have selections named just hw:0.0 and hw:2.0
[06:12] <Spinshank> vlc is good
[06:12] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: do you have more than one soundcard?
[06:13] <CuriosTiger> mefisto: No; it just has multiple output options (e.g. front speakers jacks, rear speaker jacks, SPDIF out)
[06:13] <roccity> vlc is good c can play lots of formatsause you
[06:13] <roccity> but also it can play partial strems
[06:13] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:13] <Spinshank> mines fine with audio and i have 7.1 and coax and hdmi
[06:14] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: does it show one line, or more?
[06:15] <CuriosTiger> one line:  0 snd_intel8x0
[06:15] <CuriosTiger> spinshank: The funny thing is, it plays the login sound, so I know the card works on some level.
[06:15] <CuriosTiger> But then this phonon error notification comes up, and after that -- silence
[06:16] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: when does it come up? when trying to play music?
[06:17] <NGL-TwYsTeD> got a broadcom corperation BCM4818 pcmcia card for laptop trying to get it to connect any networking friends here :D
[06:17] <Temujin> i'm having trouble upgrading to KDE 4.2
[06:17] <CuriosTiger> mefisto: Immediately upon login. Almost seems like it's the playback of the login chime that triggers it
[06:17] <Temujin> i keep getting a dpkg error on kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_all.deb
[06:18] <Spinshank> i need a Adobe Flash Player for 64bit :(
[06:18] <Temujin> it complains about overwriting /usr/share/wallpapers/Blue_Curl/metadata.desktop since it's also in kdebase-workspace-data\
[06:18] <Temujin> has anyone seen this?
[06:18] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: hmm. so you hear the login notification sound, then the error notification window, then no sound
[06:18] <CuriosTiger> mefisto: Yep.
[06:19] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: do you hear the whole sound, or does it seem to cut off abruptly?
[06:19] <CuriosTiger> mefisto: It seems to cut off abruptly, towards the very end though
[06:20] <CuriosTiger> e.g. I hear several seconds of it
[06:20] <CuriosTiger> and that abrupt cutoff coincides with the appearance of the popup, hence why I think they're related
[06:20] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: I ask because that's what I got after first logon, but after that sound was working normally
[06:20] <Temujin> interestingly (CuriousTiger and mefisto__), my sound also cuts out almost immediately after the login chime starts playing
[06:21] <CuriosTiger> It says something about falling back to the "default" device -- apparently, the default device can't actually play sound
[06:22] <CuriosTiger> and while I'm pretty adept at fixing breakage from a server point of view, I haven't messed around with KDE much. I *certainly* don't have a clue how alsa, pulseaudio, phonon, libxine and the rest all interact.
[06:22] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: my "pulseaudio" device doesn't work (tested in systemsettings, multimedia) so I put pulseaudio last in the list of preferred devices
[06:23] <roccity> NGL-TwYsTeD: is the card listed?
[06:23] <roccity> NGL-TwYsTeD: ingif you type sudo ifconfig -a in a terminal does it show anyth
[06:23] <roccity> anything
[06:24] <Spinshank> for those who are runing 64bit and need flash here is the download link http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.d21.1.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[06:24] <CuriosTiger> mefisto: I was able to trigger the notification alert again by launching JuK -- but every time I try to click on it to read the entire thing, it disappears
[06:24] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: whoever does fully understand the mysteries of linux audio lives on a mountain somewhere in the himalayas, and rarely comes down to explain it to the rest of us
[06:25] <CuriosTiger> mefisto: Hah! I believe it.
[06:25] <Temujin> ya, i've been fighting an xubuntu 8.10 machine with a sound blaster audigy card (that worked in 8.04)
[06:26] <CuriosTiger> 8.10 has been problematic for me in general
[06:26] <CuriosTiger> in part, vmware seems not to like it
[06:26] <Temujin> the extent of my sound troubleshooting skills ends after lspci and turning everything up in alsamixer
[06:26] <CuriosTiger> this install is on a physical machine though
[06:26] <CuriosTiger> Temujin: That's about where I'm at
[06:26] <CuriosTiger> I know to look at logs, but the logs aren't showing any errors
[06:27] <CuriosTiger> I'll probably be murdered for this, but I do miss Windows' device manager and dxdiag commands right now. :P
[06:27] <Temujin> does anyone have any ideas with my KDE 4.2 package error ( kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_all.deb)?
[06:27] <mefisto__> the one thing I have sorted is permanently setting default soundcards. I used to get one of two cards randomly set as default on every boot
[06:29] <mefisto__> Temujin: I have seen people here with that overwrite error, but it's never happened to me. so it's not just you
[06:29] <CuriosTiger> there does seem to be some lack of forethought here.
[06:29] <CuriosTiger> I mean, would a "test" button in the sound control panel be too much to ask?
[06:29] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: you don't have the test button?
[06:30] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: I've upgraded to kde 4.2 and it's there
[06:30] <CuriosTiger> is it supposed to be the small speaker in the top right?
[06:30] <CuriosTiger> this is still 4.1
[06:30] <CuriosTiger> maybe I should upgrade to 4.2 and see if that just magically fixes the issue :)
[06:31] <Temujin> i don't think it's an actual filesystem permission error.... it says: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-wallpapers_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa5_all.deb (--unpack):.....trying to overwrite `/usr/share/wallpapers/Blue_Curl/metadata.desktop', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-data
[06:32] <Temujin> seems like some sort of file collision between packages
[06:32] <mefisto__> CuriosTiger: that's what mine looks like: http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=soundgf6.png
[06:36] <Temujin> ah, i think i got it...
[06:36] <Temujin> apt-get remove kdebase-workspace-wallpapers    .... then do the 4.2 upgrade
[06:37] <Temujin> well, i'm off to restart to see if it comes up in 4.2....   :-)
[06:39] <CuriosTiger> I can't even see the adept package manager UI to set up the update
[06:39] <CuriosTiger> it'
[06:39] <CuriosTiger> it's showing up at its default 9 point font; I'm sitting 10 feet away from my LCD TV and need more like 32 point to read the UI
[06:40] <CuriosTiger> so, I'll futz with it some other time
[06:40] <CuriosTiger> right now, it's time for sleep so I don't miss my flight. :D
[06:41] <CuriosTiger> thanks for trying, guys. I'll probably be back on the weekend to give audio another shot
[06:41] <CuriosTiger> Goodnight/
[06:50] <gmathews> Hi is it possible to install compiz on Kubuntu?
[06:50] <NGL-TwYsTeD> thank you kubuntu channel
[06:50] <NGL-TwYsTeD> God Bless
[06:51] <mefisto__> gmathews: yes
[06:52] <gmathews> mefisto__: is it easy?
[06:52] <gmathews> or will it conflict with the current KDE in build effects
[06:52] <mefisto__> gmathews: but it has it's own compositing effects built in
[06:52] <mefisto__> gmathews: I haven't done it myself in kde4, so I don't know
[06:52] <gmathews> okay..let me google
[06:53] <gmathews> mefisto__: what is the difference between KDE 4.1 and 4.2
[06:53] <v3trae> gmathews: 4.2 is prettier and less buggy in my experience.
[06:54] <syockit> the most prominent would be the introduction of Desktop Activities
[06:54] <mefisto__> gmathews: noticably more config options that were missing previously (esp for the panel/taskbar).
[06:54] <syockit> Panels now hidable
[06:54] <syockit> You have desktop cube included in the effects
[06:55] <gmathews> i couldn't find a changelog
[06:55] <gmathews> between the two
[06:55] <mefisto__> generally more stable. less crashes
[06:55] <gmathews> Looks like I am going to update :)
[06:55] <mefisto__> still far from perfect though
[06:55] <gmathews> I am debating whether to go back to ubuntu..
[06:57] <v3trae> gmathews: why?
[06:57] <gmathews> there are more themes etc for gnome..nothing works on kde 4.1..
[06:58] <v3trae> gmathews: well i'm not sure what you're trying to do exactly, but i love kde4.2
[06:58] <v3trae> gmathews: although i haven't looked into UI mods for it, at this point i don't really need it.
[06:58] <gmathews> i don't like the blue icons ;[
[06:59] <v3trae> gmathews: who uses icons nowadays
[06:59] <mefisto__> gmathews: you could use the gnome icons
[07:00] <gmathews> lol i am still learning guys...I need my icons :P
[07:00] <gmathews> how do i see if koffice-data-kde4 is installed in terminal?
[07:00] <v3trae> lol@youtube being down
[07:00] <gmathews> and why does kubuntu ship with 2 package managers?
[07:03] <mefisto__> gmathews: both are adept, but one is simplified for browsing and simple installing
[07:03] <mefisto__> adept installer (simpler) and adept manager (the whole shebang)
[07:03] <gmathews> mefisto__:i was talking about adept and synaptic?
[07:03] <v3trae> gmathews: simple for you new guys xD
[07:04] <gmathews> hahha blah :P
[07:04] <mefisto__> gmathews: synaptic is the gtk/gnome one
[07:04] <gmathews> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60487016493B3065
[07:04] <gmathews> oh sworry
[07:04] <gmathews> i see the instructions lol :D
[07:07] <gmathews> the update manager doesn't tell you how big the update is unless you start updating
[07:30] <costel> Hello
[07:31] <zeltak> hi cant find on kubuntu.org how to upgrade to jaunty...anyone care to post a link?
[07:45] <yao_ziyuan2> in a freshly installed kubuntu,
[07:45] <yao_ziyuan2> what theme would gtk+ programs use?
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> !jaunty | zeltak
[07:50] <zeltak> k, i know to expect lots of hell :) i want to help out with bugs etc..
[07:51] <ActionParsnip> zeltak: its not supported here, its supported in +1
[07:51] <zeltak> but just cant find how to upgrade...well joing the ubuntu+1 channel, thx :)
[07:56] <johannes_> hi
[07:57] <johannes_> how can i have desktopbs icons being shown in kubuntu 8.10?
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> johannes_: copy them to ~?Desktop
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> ~/Desktop
[07:58] <johannes_> ActionParsnip: NO, IT BY by default does not show them on the desktop
[07:59] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux: kill the caps
[08:00] <tom_> hello, looking for help with kde 4.2 pannel with dual screen issue... I want to keep my pannel visable, but on me second screen (where the pannel is not) windows can not use the space....
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> johannes_: did you recently install kde ontop of ubuntu?
[08:01] <JohnFlux> ActionParsnip: yes boss
[08:01] <JohnFlux> ActionParsnip: :-)
[08:01] <johannes_> ActionParsnip: no, just kubunut
[08:02] <johannes_> alone
[08:02] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux: try renaming your ~/.kde folder and rebooting
[08:03] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux: if its better, we know its the config
[08:03] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux: you can also rename back as the folder is not deleted
[08:04] <marek_> hi, i have a problem with connecting to my bluetooth phone - in order to connect to the internet, can you help me?
[08:04] <JohnFlux> ActionParsnip: i'm not johannes_ :-)
[08:05] <tom_>  marek_: i can try
[08:05] <tom_> whats up?
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> johannes_: read above ^
[08:05] <johannes_> ActionParsnip: there were three caps by accident i think thats within the limit
[08:08] <marek_> tom_ well i made a connection with blueman
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> johannes_: i just hate caps, its no biggy
[08:08] <marek_> i added my network settings, but after a few seconds
[08:08] <marek_> i have an information about fail
[08:09] <johannes_> ActionParsnip: lol...i was just too lazy to use the cursor
[08:09] <tom_> marek_: this is failure message?
[08:09] <marek_> i will tell in a moment what it is exactly
[08:10] <tom_> marek_: ok. are you useing the phone for a modem or trying to provide a gateway for the phone?
[08:10] <marek_> tom_ my phone is a modem for me
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> johannes_: anyhoo, rename your .kde folder and reboot, you will get a fresh one with stock settings
[08:11] <marek_> "connection of interface /dev/rfcomm0 failed"
[08:12] <tom_> marek_: not too informitive huh? :) does your bluetooth work for other purposes such as obex?
[08:12] <marek_> tom_ i think so
[08:12] <marek_> in my opinion there might be a problem with connection settings
[08:13] <marek_> with all this PPAP CHAP and other options
[08:13] <marek_> there is a lot of them
[08:13] <marek_> but i didnt changed them
[08:14] <marek_> im also using latet 9.04 revision with kde 4.2 svn so im using great new knetworkmanager, but i dont think this is a bug
[08:14] <marek_> i can connect via konsole
[08:14] <marek_> with pppd
[08:14] <johannes_> ActionParsnip: this is a new system, most certainly it is set by default to that show now desktop icons
[08:15] <tom_> marek_: you have an internet conneciton with the network operator and it works when connecting from your phone?
[08:15] <ActionParsnip> johannes_: its worth a try
[08:21] <tom_> marek_: i hope my question was not demening... i just wanted to make shure you wernt trying to use an ISP what wasnt from your cell net operator
[08:21] <tom_> kind of a "is it pluged in" question....
[08:30] <SandGorgon> !glade
[08:31] <SandGorgon> !libglade
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> !find glade
[08:37] <SandGorgon> ty
[08:44] <jayavardhan> hai
[08:44] <jayavardhan> is there any one to chat
[09:09] <altrortla> goodmorning ... i have found UNIONFS psrtition on my PC ... I want to remove it with GPARTED to install kubuntu .... It is possible ? Or it will cause troubles?
[09:10] <tom_> why would it cuase problems
[09:10] <altrortla> tom_: I don't know I've read about a particular procedure to follow on eeePC ?
[09:10] <altrortla> (no "?")
[09:11] <altrortla> and with liveCD of kubuntu it appears like a remote connection
[09:11] <tom_> so its an eeepc? as long as you keep the master boot record intact and have a boot loader, you should be good
[09:11] <altrortla> no isn't
[09:12] <tom_> are you going to install grub with ubuntu?
[09:12] <tom_> what other os you got on there?
[09:12] <altrortla> I have this doubt ... because i have read this about eeePC
[09:12] <altrortla> In this moment XP home
[09:13] <tom_> i say your good. ubuntu's dual boot functionallity has matured to be very easy not to mess up
[09:14] <tom_> did you know you can run ubuntu as an application from windows... make sure you love it enough before you install?
[09:15] <altrortla> I know kubuntu... this from I'm writing is a kubuntu system...
[09:15] <altrortla> But the question is ... can I remove UNIONFS with gparted?
[09:15] <tom_> sweet.... i love kde
[09:15] <altrortla> me too
[09:15] <tom_> during the install proccess?
[09:16] <altrortla> no before
[09:16] <altrortla> with liveCD
[09:16] <altrortla> I know how to do ... i don't know if is good
[09:16] <tom_> why not do it with the install partition tool? what is the unionfs disk? is your cdrom?
[09:17] <altrortla> no is a partition of HD ...
[09:18] <tom_> how many harddrives are in your system? why do you have a unionfs part? gparted can del a partion even if it doesnt like the filesystem on that part
[09:18] <tom_> you can do it, but wiether you should depends on what it is. you have not given much info about it
[09:19] <altrortla> 1 HD... and I don't know why is there
[09:20] <tom_> does gparted show the unionfs part on the same disk as your fat disk?
[09:20] <altrortla> I know only that UNIUNFS appears to be a remote condivided
[09:20] <altrortla> I'll check
[09:20] <altrortla> now
[09:20] <tom_> how big is it?
[09:24] <tom_> im thinking if you dont know what the part is, than it is a ramdisk from running linux live or it is the recovery partition from your computers manufactor
[09:24] <altrortla> I have an SDA1 (ntfs) around 75GB and 1 unallocated around 7Mb
[09:25] <altrortla> too small
[09:25] <tom_> what device is the unionfs on? something like sdb?
[09:25] <altrortla> this is what Gparted see
[09:25] <altrortla> is not seen may be
[09:26] <tom_> so gparted only shows one drive?
[09:28] <altrortla> to be clear i have added a extenal HD aroung 40Gb ntfs (it is all allocated) and do not have UNION partition... to recoved data
[09:28] <tom_> when yo install kubuntu, the installer will allow you to resize your windows partition to make room for kubuntu. then it will install a boot loader - grub - that when your computer boots you can chose between kubuntu or windows. i bet your unionfs part is a temp drive for the linux live
[09:28] <tom_> if the unionfs drive is there, you can del at that time
[09:29] <tom_> id unplug your usb drive when you install, just to keep it simple
[09:29] <altrortla> no trouble... i want to remove completely XP
[09:30] <tom_> double sweet. then youll select the option "use entire disk" and itll be piece of cake
[09:31] <altrortla> I hope ... and  so I'll do... but isn't clear what is this UNIONS ... (OMG)
[09:32] <altrortla> tom_: thanks for your support
[09:32] <tom_> well, when you install, the partition manager will show you whats there....  if it doesnt make sense or you dont liek it. you can cancel. it wont do anythign to your system untill you pass the harddrive part...
[09:33] <tom_> good luck. its way easy now days. ive been using kubuntu for about 3 yrs now. its awsome and i havent looked back.
[09:40] <tom_> hey, anyone want to talke about rendering pro serivces to create a metapackage for a custom desktop?
[09:41] <tianguolei> 你好
[09:41] <tianguolei> 有人在马？
[09:42] <matti_> what should I do to update KDE 4 to the latest version
[09:43] <tom_> newer than this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[09:50] <ubuntu__> tom_: Still here tom? (altrortla)
[09:51] <tom_> yep
[09:52] <ubuntu__> tom_: I have detached external HD... UNIONS still remain like a HD condivided (share) ... no permission to Mount ... No permission to delete
[09:52] <tom_> this is in "live mode"
[09:52] <tom_> ?
[09:52] <ubuntu__> yep live cd
[09:53] <administrator_> Русские есть ?
[09:54] <jrmathis> hey everyone..sorry to barge in but i just reinstalled hardy a few days ago because i wanted to switch back to 32 bit, and it seems like everytime i try to do anything: kicker crashes, then eventually all kwin crashes, and the x server gets stuck in an endless cycle...and it's bad. any clue as to what's happening? if there's anymore info i can provide, just ask
[09:55] <tom_> can you try rebooting but this time to the install option with out the live part? im thinking the unionfs is a temp ramdisk the live linux creates for your live session. i had the impression that gparted did not show this part on your one hd....
[09:55] <tom_> i dont think youhave anything to worry about, but i empathize that you are.
[09:56] <ubuntu__> I not the first time that i install Kubuntu... but sure is the first time that I see this such thing
[09:56] <ubuntu__> az
[09:56] <tom_> ic
[09:57] <tom_> so, only one hd in the system and gparted only shows one drive - sda - wth only one part - sda1. where do you see the unionfs part?
[09:58] <ubuntu__> I see it in dolphin...
[09:59] <ubuntu__> Achieving Device
[09:59] <ubuntu__> (HD...)
[09:59] <tom_> when you clicked on the install program and went through the steps, did the partition tool show the unionfs drive?
[10:00] <ubuntu__> you say gparted?
[10:01] <ubuntu__> no i haven't done this alreadry
[10:01] <jrmathis> it just happened after i typed that..  :|
[10:01] <jrmathis> someone help :/
[10:02] <tom_> im not sure if the install script uses gparted or not.... try it out. you can poke around and look at the hardrive and want not with out messing up your system. no changes will be made untill you flick finished/next from the harddrive tool
[10:06] <tom_> jrmathis: i dont know whats going on, but it sounds like an xserver config issue. you can try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" from a console (hit alt+f2) and then restart kdm  via "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[10:07] <nacer> does the repo are the same for kde4.2 i386 and amd64 ?
[10:08] <tom_> nacer: yes
[10:08] <nacer> tom_: ok because i have a lot of crash with kmail :(
[10:09] <altrortla> #unionfs
[10:09] <altrortla> ehi tom
[10:09] <altrortla> have seen this?
[10:12] <tom_> nacer: if you were grabing progarms that were not compiled foryour cpu, you would have alot more problems than kmail
[10:12] <tom_> jrmathis: any luck
[10:12] <tom_> ?
[10:14] <TurboKiwi> Hi, plasma has a buggy behaviour on my laptop (kubuntu 8.10, up to date) : the miniatures box (~MS systray icons) plasmoid doesn't update properly for example whan not in a control pannel, and icons appear outside the plasmoid. Whan I try to change the side of the screen a control panel is anchored to, it happens that it displays incorrectly, etc ...
[10:14] <nacer> tom_: okay
[10:15] <nacer> tom_: all the other stuff seem to work without crash
[10:15] <TurboKiwi> Am I the only one to encounter these problems ?
[10:15] <nacer> but kmail ..
[10:15] <zeltak> hi
[10:15] <tom_> what is kmail doing to ya?
[10:16] <zeltak> im looking for a program that catalogs my drives (including network drives) every X hours..any one knows if such a thing exists?
[10:19] <tom_> zeltak: what do you need by catalogs?
[10:19] <zeltak> just file and folders :) i had a hard drive die on my recently
[10:19] <zeltak> and now i see its usefull to know what was on it ;-)
[10:21] <tom_> like a user readable index?
[10:21] <zeltak> yeah exactly
[10:21] <zeltak> i was wondering if there was a program or script i can run that every dew hours/days would just catalog my hardrives and network drives into a text file or better yet to a browsable file
[10:23] <tom_> i dont know off the top of my head. i thnk you should look into kdes desktop index/search tools and see if you can back of the cache... im interested, so ill poke around a bit for the next 30 min or so
[10:23] <zeltak> thx tom_
[10:23] <zeltak> appriciated :)
[10:23] <tom_> what os are you runing?
[10:23] <zeltak> kubuntu intrepid 8.10 kde 4.2
[10:28] <Cruster> is there any wayto connect to a wireless secured network before login in kubuntu? I use knetworkmanager if that helps...
[10:28] <bushdoctor> Hey folks, having an issue with KDE 4.2. Just updated, but certain applications don't have any window decorations (kontact, dolphin ...). Anyone get this problem as well? On Kubuntu 8.10. Ta
[10:29] <matti_> How can I install the latest version KDE?
[10:32] <tom_> bushdoctor: is your poblems like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1056323 ?
[10:33] <tom_> matti_: newer than this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[10:33] <tom_> or are you wanting to install from the lastes src?
[10:34] <Cruster> anything for me except removing my wireless security....?
[10:35] <matti_> tom:thanks
[10:35] <matti_> I try it
[10:35] <tom_> cruster: you need to script network manager to run at boot
[10:36] <tom_> i think netman is required for wpa.... but maybe not.
[10:36] <tom_> give me a bit ill find out
[10:37] <Cruster> ok thanks
[10:41] <tom_> zeltak: you can config strigi to index your harddrives and then just back up ~/.strigi
[10:45] <Cruster> tom_: i logout to test something, and i'll come back with news...
[10:46] <tom_> first tell me your wifi card
[10:46] <zeltak> sweet, is there an interface for stirgi...i remember i tried to use it a few weeks ago..where is the gui?
[10:46] <tom_> knoqeror kio
[10:46] <Cruster> do you need the driver i use or the name?
[10:46] <tom_> driver
[10:46] <Cruster> just a sec
[10:47] <zeltak> sorry for being ignorant tom but but how do i use the kio?
[10:48] <Cruster> tom_: any way to quickly find out?
[10:48] <Cruster> it's an intel one but don't remember exactly
[10:49] <tom_> cruster: do you use a wrapper or a native driver?
[10:49] <Cruster> it's native
[10:49] <Cruster> one of the iwl series
[10:50] <tom_> zeltak: give me a bit to find out how it would work in your case. btw, i got some of this info form the #strigi users
[10:51] <tom_> ok cruster
[10:53] <zeltak> thx again tom
[10:58] <thug> ??
[10:59] <thug> q issu
[11:00] <tom_> Cruster: are you good with cli?
[11:00] <Cruster> tom_: well, it was way too easy...just made a script and put it in autostart pre-kde
[11:00] <Cruster> and yes, i use (k)ubuntu many years and I got used to cli
[11:01] <tom_> it may have been even easery... just define the interface details in /etc/networking/interfaces ... i just needed tocheck on wither you could use that for the WPA infrastructure
[11:02] <tom_> glad your cookin with crisco now
[11:02] <Cruster> i think i could also config wpa_supplicant and put it in /etc/networking/interfaces, but I don't want to touch a working system ;)
[11:03] <ubuntu_> hello
[11:03] <ubuntu_> ppl
[11:03] <Cruster> hi
[11:05] <ubuntu_> this stupid kubuntu cd
[11:05] <ubuntu_> who you cruster
[11:05] <ubuntu_> so why so many ppl and so little talk
[11:06] <Cruster> it's not a chat, it's a support chanel
[11:06] <tom_> well man. how was suppose to repsond to "this stupid kubuntu cd"????
[11:06] <ubuntu_> support for what?
[11:07] <tom_> tell us what ur prob is and discrib in detail so we can ehlp ifyou want talk theropy look else where
[11:07] <ubuntu_> does anybody know Mentor Grapichs?
[11:07] <ubuntu_> want to install it on kubuntu
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> install what?
[11:08] <ubuntu_> the Expidition PCB of Mentor Graphics
[11:10] <ubuntu_> Does anybody know it?
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> looks like a windows app
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> use wine
[11:10] <ubuntu_> I tried
[11:11] <ubuntu_> it starts installing
[11:11] <ubuntu_> but as soon as you picked the dir it just shows a blank screen
[11:11] <ubuntu_> window*
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> wine isnt always ideal
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> you may need a windows vm to run it in
[11:12] <ubuntu_> is there any other app that works the same as wine?
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> cedega and crossover office but they cost
[11:12] <ubuntu_> I tried that, but the prob is that when you use vm you cant go dual screen
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> they you'll need a dual boot
[11:13] <ubuntu_> well, I dont know if there is a virtualbox that can do dual screens
[11:13] <ubuntu_> but that whould be nice
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> look around, see if there is a guide
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> you could jst make the desktop span the width of both displays
[11:15] <ubuntu_> read about that, that will prob be the best way if wine doesnt work
[11:15] <ubuntu_> another thing
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> you could see if the guys who make the software have a linux port
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> or sourcecode
[11:16] <ubuntu_> how do you install support for .m4a
[11:17] <Paddy_EIRE> !resticted | ubuntu_
[11:17] <Paddy_EIRE> !restricted| ubuntu_
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> ubuntu_: sudo apt-get install gstreamer*
[11:18] <Paddy_EIRE> ActionParsnip: that would not be wise
[11:18] <Paddy_EIRE> that will also install a load of cruft he/she need ever use
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> Paddy_EIRE: it installs the good the bad and the ugly
[11:19] <Paddy_EIRE> ActionParsnip: and streaming server stuff
[11:19] <Paddy_EIRE> big package with that
[11:19] <ubuntu_> well, thanx guys, just going to install new version
[11:20] <Paddy_EIRE> ActionParsnip: try tab completing that using apt-get and see what I mean
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> my tab complete for anyhing but the first word is busted
[11:22] <Paddy_EIRE> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/d7e86c4bd
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> i'll grep
[11:22] <Paddy_EIRE> ActionParsnip: no one wants all that D:
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> nice
[11:23] <Paddy_EIRE> :)
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> apt-cache search gstream | grep ^gstr
[11:24] <Paddy_EIRE> !info gstreamer-codec-install
[11:24] <Paddy_EIRE> I guess I guess restricted extras should install all that
[11:24] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah I guess twice :/
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> i say i say i say ;)
[11:25] <Paddy_EIRE> hehe
[11:25] <Tm_T> hi kids
[11:25] <Paddy_EIRE> folder view crashed plasma ActionParsnip :(
[11:25] <Paddy_EIRE> Tm_T: hey man
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> is there a konsole plasmoid?
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Paddy_EIRE: try fluxbox, none of that to worry about
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> hehe
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> Paddy_EIRE: try yakuake
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> hmm
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> on kde4?
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> i do
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> kk
[11:26] <Tm_T> Paddy_EIRE: there's several, for example konsolator
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> yakuake on kde 3.2 here
[11:26] <Paddy_EIRE> Tm_T: nice :)
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> *4.2
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> keeps the konsole on top of everything when you need it
[11:30] <tom_> hey, anyone with experiance getting strigi to work right in kde 4.2?
[11:30] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: aye, useful for some, wouldn't fit to my workflow though
[11:31] <Paddy_EIRE> tom_: try asking on #kde for help with 4.2
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: im guessing you're a multiple konsole kinda guy
[11:31] <tom_> got ya. thanks for the suggestion
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> !info strigi
[11:32] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: kinda 20 sessions open (:)
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> thought so
[11:39] <ares28ultra> Haaaaaaaaaaaallo at all!
[11:40] <ares28ultra> Hope you'll fine!
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> ares28ultra: my gf says i am ;)
[11:41] <ares28ultra> someone can tell me what can i use as a peak level meter under text-mode shell?
[11:41] <tom_> alsa-mixer may
[11:42] <ares28ultra> yes, i know, i use it to modify volume, but does it exists a spectrum visualizer?
[11:42] <khalidmian> how come the 64 bit kubuntu version is slower then the 32 bit isnt it suppose to be faster?
[11:43] <tom_> i do not know of a cli spectrum vis.... why do you need a cli tool?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: under some situations yes
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: otherwise its not any faster
[11:43] <tom_> khalidmian: way too many variables to say why. what is slower?
[11:44] <khalidmian> also in regards tovirtual machine for linux/kubuntu which is the most recommended of the most?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> vmware or virtualbox
[11:44] <tom_> do you need a gui? i like linux-vserver
[11:44] <ares28ultra> 'caouse sometime in train i listen my collection on computer and text session let me preserve the battery discharging...
[11:45] <tom_> and virtualbox. i hate vmware... very heavy and frozue up alot on me
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: try both, see which ou prefer, both are good solutions
[11:45] <ares28ultra> no, i'm not talking about a VM, but relatively to a text-based session on kubuntu.
[11:46] <tom_> ares28ultra: you can just an x app by itself with out a windows manager....  does that help?
[11:47] <ares28ultra> i don't understand what u mean ,tom_
[11:48] <ares28ultra> sorry, but, what is khalidmian? i can't find it...
[11:49] <tom_> ares28ultra: you want to run in cli without a windows manager (KDE) to save on battery? but you want a visual spectrum analizer with your listen to your tunes.... what gui one do you use? you can prob run it with out running kde
[11:49] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: which vm would be good for running xp under kubuntu
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: both are fine
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: there is no best or better, try both and see which you prefer, virtualbox is very easy to setup
[11:50] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip:ty for help on that
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> but ive never successfuklly bridged lan with it for rdp
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> and vmware has that sorted at install
[11:51] <khalidmian> rdp?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> remote desktop protocol
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> not a server admin are you?
[11:51] <khalidmian> and what about usb support on vmware
[11:52] <ares28ultra> so, i'll explain it better, i want save battery & listen music. so i turned off x session on teminal 7. Now i can listen nand modify volume but i would like to see a spectrum analizer ....all in text-based ...
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> its fine
[11:52] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: just a regular user
[11:52] <ares28ultra> ok?..
[11:52] <ZmAY> hello, i have problems with my letters, i installed dc++ yesterday, and now there are everywhere rectangles instead of letters, in all aplications, and some errors are shown like..  GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_get_qdata: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ... any help?:)
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: as a nub user, id suggest virtualbox
[11:52] <ZmAY> also Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_engine_shape_covers: assertion `PANGO_IS_FONT (font)' failed
[11:52] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: ty
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: theres a tonne of guides
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: you need to be in the vbox group too but the guide will detail that
[11:53] <shadeslayer> hi
[11:53] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: hopefully ill chat to you again and be in a positio to ask you link for guides but not right now
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: and if you upgrade your kernel, you will need to fire a command to recompile the virtualbox kernel
[11:54] <shadeslayer> i am having problems updating to amarok 2.0.1
[11:54] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: will ask help if need be
[11:54] <shadeslayer> the link on help kubuntu.org does not
[11:54] <shadeslayer> *does not lphe
[11:54] <khalidmian> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get installl amarok-kde4
[11:54] <shadeslayer> *does not help
[11:54] <tom_> ares28ultra: the lack of proccess with out kde will save battery... ok... but you can still run that one single gui app with our running the eitre desktop
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/05/howto-install-latest-project-neon.html
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> add repo: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> install amarok-nightly
[11:56] <khalidmian> unfortunately i think amarok sucks just because it doesnt have an equalizer
[11:56] <shadeslayer> E: The update command takes no arguments
[11:56] <shadeslayer> with sudo apt-get installl amarok-kde4
[11:56] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[11:56] <ares28ultra> how can i run a single gui without the entire desktop? shall i create a dedicate session?
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: add the repo, run the command
[11:57] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: buldt thats a nightly bui
[11:57] <shadeslayer> *ld
[11:57] <tom_> ares28ultra: here is a slew of linux audio tools... many are console only http://www.linux-sound.org/one-page.html
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: thats the only amarok2 i know
[11:58] <shadeslayer> :)
[11:58] <shadeslayer> well i wont come online daily
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> you'll be bleeding edge like the cool kids
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> thats fine, you'll just have one a few days old
[11:59] <khalidmian> i have finally gotten rid of windows as an o/s - good ridance to bad rubbish
[11:59] <failers> khalidmian: if you change engine and some stuff in amarok you can get a equilizer
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: well actually, you havent as you are running a VM with windows
[11:59] <khalidmian> now IF only lol i could have mac o/s in a virtualox environment
[12:00] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: i will be installing vbox to run xp within linux
[12:00] <failers> doesnt mac o/s work in a virtualbox :o ?
[12:00] <khalidmian> failers: EULA issues
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: so you are still running the operating system
[12:00] <tom_> khalidmian: osx is good to go in vb... just not legal
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: so you havent got rid of it
[12:01] <failers> khalidmian: ROFL since when did people start to care about EULA for operativsystems
[12:01] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: isnt vbox like wine?
[12:01] <failers> i have never bought a single windows and yet i have had them all
[12:01] <failers> :P
[12:01] <tom_> khalidmian: other day i say a pc build offeirng choise of ubuntu/osx/windows...
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: no, vbox will need you to install windows to a virtual hard drive which is a file on your system
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> tom_: www.efficientpc.co.uk
[12:02] <khalidmian> failers: 2nd thing is that doesnt one need a mac machine to have mac o/s to run - even if it is in virtualbox environment?
[12:03] <ares28ultra> thanks, all & tom... i'm going to see ---
[12:04] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: do i need a mac to have mac o/s in virtual box?
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: its simply not a legal action, even if you had 5000 macs
[12:05] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: minus the legality
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: the licence states it has to be installed on a mac
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> plus its garbage
[12:06] <shadeslayer> anyways thanks guys
[12:06] <shadeslayer> people at #amarok sorted it out
[12:07] <shadeslayer> khalidmian: its sudo apt-get install
[12:07] <shadeslayer> no upgrade
[12:11] <ares28ultra> hei people, someone knows the way to install new windows borders in kde4?
[12:12] <khalidmian> would like to know how to have an equalizer for amarok but later
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: its got one or two built in
[12:14] <ares28ultra> coming soon just the reboot time.....
[12:14] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: mine doesnt
[12:14] <shadeslayer> wrong amarok then :P
[12:14] <shadeslayer> khalidmian: 1.4??
[12:15] <khalidmian> will get back on that one later
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: do you mean to choose bass / treble levels?
[12:15] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: yes
[12:16] <shadeslayer> oh,damn it
[12:16] <shadeslayer> power outage
[12:16] <shadeslayer> :|
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: http://galerie.antonindanek.cz/obrazky/amarok-equalizer.png
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: try in view or settings at the top
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: is it there?
[12:19] <khalidmian> ActionParsnip: which ver do u have lol
[12:19] <khalidmian> shadeslayer: yes im on 1.4
[12:19] <downhill_> yeah so alsa just bit it for some reason. the sound driver is loaded, changes in kmix apply to my external amp (S/PDIF), but lsof /dev/snd/* and /dev/dsp* show nothing (except kmix, which I quit to make sure) but nothing can use alsa (amarok, vlc, flash, etc)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> 1.4
[12:19] <downhill_> halp
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: that screen grab isnt mine
[12:19] <downhill_> oh yeah and my X-Fi is the first device in my asoundrc, just for good measure.
[12:19] <shadeslayer> khalidmian: hmm,try updating,maybe it helps
[12:21] <downhill_> this was working before I rebooted :O
[12:21] <khalidmian> shadeslayer: i will an will get back for help/assistance if needed
[12:21] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:22] <shadeslayer> im going BTW
[12:22] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: did you upgrade your kernel?
[12:22] <downhill_> not before the reboot, no.
[12:23] <downhill_> it's been working with this kernel already
[12:23] <downhill_> the part that's really confusing to me is that /dev/snd/* devices aren't in use O_o
[12:23] <downhill_> nor is /dev/dsp*, so it's not like OSS is blocking anything
[12:25] <downhill_> anybody else have any ideas?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: try reading: dmesg | less
[12:26] <downhill_> unlimited scrollback in konsole ftw ;)
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: less ftw as it allows searching
[12:27] <downhill_> so does konsole
[12:27] <downhill_> also, the only time alsa is mentioned is when it gets an IRQ
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: i'd read the whole thing carefully to see whats going on
[12:28] <downhill_> so, um, I did, but there's nothing there that's helpful
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: my command also takes into consideration people not running an x server or a different terminal app like xterm, so is more portable :)
[12:28] <downhill_> alright man, I've been using Linux since the '01, spare me ;)
[12:29] <claus> hello everyone! I use ubuntu and kopete is not connecting to my yahoo user, it returns me an error, could anyone assist me on this matter pls or where can I find information?
[12:29] <christian_> hi!..someone knows the way to verify the cpu, disk and memory of my computer...??
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> i consider all, rather than what worksfor one system :)
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> christian_: cat /proc/cpuinfo and df -h
[12:30] <downhill_> this is #kubuntu. if someone is using something other than KDE3 or 4, there's a problem ;)
[12:30] <slow-motion> hi
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: i use kuuntu but hate kwin, i use fluxbox
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: no problems atall
[12:31] <christian_> thanks... Action...
[12:31] <downhill_> yeah I didn't come in here to get in debates, k?
[12:32] <downhill_> so /var/log/ in fact doesn't even mention alsa except it getting an IRQ
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> christian_: cat /proc/meminfo for ram use
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: then that would be the issue
[12:32] <christian_> ok...
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: you need to fight that out
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: to get it an irq
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> christian_: remember that ubuntu will use a bit of ram as disk cache
[12:33] <downhill_> no, there's no issue, it gets one.
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> christian_: so dont look shocked if free ram is quite low
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: all i can suggest is trawl dmesg to make sure everything is perfect
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: or try rmmod / modprobe the driver then read dmesg | tail to see whats going on
[12:35] <downhill_> I appreciate the volunteer help, really I do. In fact, I used to do it quite a lot in #fedora. That said, you already said that :)
[12:35] <downhill_> yeah, it won't let me rmmod, so I'm looking into that.
[12:35] <downhill_> I get permissions errors
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> sudo rmmod <thingy>
[12:36] <downhill_> ERROR: Removing 'ctxfi': Operation not permitted
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: hmm, try taking it out of /etc/modules so it doesnt get modprobed in at boot
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> then manually do it once logged in
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> see what happens
[12:38] <downhill_> good call, I can blacklist it for now
[12:38] <downhill_> thanks
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> will it still modprobe if its blacklisted?
[12:39] <downhill_> not if I remove the blacklist before trying to modprobe it ;)
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> sweet, just curious if that was a feature of blacklist
[12:40] <downhill_> um, ok, that didn't help
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> sup?
[12:40] <downhill_> I got this now tho: [ 1911.450413] CTALSA 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
[12:40] <downhill_> whatever that means. hi gmathews_ o/
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> im guessing its because of the blacklist, did you reboot?
[12:41] <downhill_> no, and yes I did reboot.
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> ok so try modprobe in the module, see what happens
[12:42] <downhill_> 02:44 < downhill_> I got this now tho: [ 1911.450413] CTALSA 0000:04:00.0: PCI INT A disabled
[12:42] <downhill_> that's from dmesg
[12:44] <downhill_> I'm all confused now :p
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: rad higher up during boot, what goes on
[12:45] <yao_ziyuan2> too bad, adept still does not warn me of unsigned packages
[12:47] <downhill_> k dude, I'm out of ideas. dmesg *honestly* is not being helpful
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> peace out duder
[12:49] <downhill_> arts and stuff aren't running... I just don't know :p
[12:54] <ares28ultra> Hallo at all!!!
[12:55] <ares28ultra> how can i install kde4 window borders
[12:55] <ares28ultra> ?
[12:55] <ares28ultra> please...
[12:56] <ares28ultra> i mean window decoration...
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> ares28ultra: apt-cache search kde | grep -i deco
[12:58] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: another reboot fixed it lol
[12:58] <downhill_> not sure why, but it works now hahaha
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: hey if it works you mustve done something
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> so wtg
[12:59] <downhill_> nah, not at all.
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> well it wasnt working and now it os so something mustve happened
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> i'd keep an eye on it
[13:00] <downhill_> maybe if sound in Linux didn't suck so unbelievably bad we wouldn't run into these problems as a community :p
[13:00] <downhill_> but that's a discussion for not only another day but another channel
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> i blame creative being a set of clown shoes
[13:00] <downhill_> this is also true.
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> my realtek onboard works out of the box, as does y netear wifi
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> i buy what works, not whats cheap or fancy or then next big thing
[13:01] <downhill_> so does anything that's based on the Intel HD spec
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> vote with your wallet, buy whats supported
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> why do you think tonnes of linux users use nvidia over ati :)
[13:03] <downhill_> that's *really* the wrong discussion to have with me.
[13:03] <downhill_> thanks for the help, ActionParsnip :)
[13:04] <downhill_> it's appreciated, really.
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> np bro, have fun
[13:04] <downhill_> thnx
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> its cool. im in here loads
[13:04] <downhill_> pretty sure you're the first or 2nd person to *ever* help me in here. normally it's like some bot spam about something completely unrelated.
[13:07] <downhill_> but yeah, this specific driver must be tempromental when loading up.
[13:08] <gabi> why can't i talk to anyone?
[13:09] <downhill_> gabi: did you register a nick?
[13:09] <gabi> no,i don't know how to do that
[13:09] <gabi> i'm new in ubuntu
[13:09] <downhill_> join #freenode and they'll help ya out
[13:10] <downhill_> oooh, I see. well, this is the Freenode IRC network, so they have a bunch of services and stuff you can use if you like
[13:10] <downhill_> the channels aren't services tho, so don't demand anything ;)
[13:10] <failers> bleh i wish wine was better
[13:10] <downhill_> you'll find a whole lot of Linux users on this network
[13:10] <downhill_> failers: I'd rather have native ;) ;)
[13:10] <failers> true
[13:10] <failers> but that aint going to happend ^^
[13:11] <downhill_> never say nev- ...ok, probably not.
[13:11] <failers> ok the chances are slim
[13:11] <downhill_> that's more like it ;)
[13:11] <downhill_> hey, if Windows 7 bombs...
[13:12] <failers> i think im gonna have to diss kubuntu and get xp or vista again :(
[13:12] <failers> i just cant play any games on it
[13:12] <downhill_> dual-boot, mate!
[13:12] <failers> or atleast those i want to play
[13:12] <failers> for what use? then i will never boot up in kubuntu anyway :P
[13:13] <downhill_> why?
[13:14] <failers> why boot up in kubuntu for just some internet surfing and then reboot to be able play games when i can anyway just use firefox in windows :P
[13:15] <downhill_> because KDE 4.2 is a thousand times nicer than anything available on XP (excluding the fact KDE 4.2 is available on Windows (but is unstable))
[13:15] <downhill_> you're absolutely right, Linux can't do games, but it can do a lot of other things waaaaay the F* better than XP can.
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> failers: i game on mine, frets on fire, penumbra, warzone 2100, world of warcraft all run great
[13:16] <downhill_> yeah, uh huh. Linux is not a gamers OS. EOD.
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> failers: there are loki installers for serious sam, quake and hexxen
[13:16] <downhill_> CAL/CEVO/CEGL/whoever else is going to disqualify you for playing on a Linux box prolly :p
[13:16] <downhill_> not to mention punkbuster doesn't work in Wine, etc.
[13:16] <failers> i want fallout 3 , farcy 2 , GTA IV on linux then im happy
[13:17] <downhill_> yeah, FO3 is *amazing*
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> failers: then contribute to the wine project
[13:17] <downhill_> couldn't care about the others :p
[13:17] <failers> ActionParsnip: wish i knew a single thing about the API coding part in C :/
[13:17] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: Wine isn't not the answer, dude. DX11 is coming out, WARP is underway, Wine is for like... random little apps
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> failers: they need $$$$$ too
[13:18] <failers> wich i dont have either
[13:18] <downhill_> not to mention FOSS is allergic to CSS (content scrambling systems)
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: WoW runs in wine
[13:18] <downhill_> yeah and WoW is a repetitive piece of crap.
[13:18] <ares28ultra> does anyone has experimented problem with kde4 menus as an effect similar an analog tv.. with bad signal????
[13:18] <downhill_> it also lags on Wine, ActionParsnip
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Doom3 has a native installer from ID software
[13:19] <downhill_> yeah, a game like 5 years old. whoopty do.
[13:19] <ghostcube> yep
[13:19] <downhill_> he said Fallout 3, GTA 4 and FarCry 2
[13:19] <downhill_> (all brand new)
[13:19] <failers> ye :P
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> fact is that devs are lazy and lap up DX like its the cure for old age
[13:19] <ghostcube> Doom3 and quake 4 btw all X series games are available on linux too heh
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> when they actually code properly the porting is very simple
[13:19] <ares28ultra> some help???
[13:20] <failers> they should start developing on opengl instead
[13:20] <failers> :)
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> ares28ultra: yeah i had that, then after like half a second it as fine
[13:20] <downhill_> failers: anyway, KDE4/Kubuntu truly is a superior platform to XP, excluding Direct X-related things
[13:20] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip: do you use patche free xorg server from ScottK
[13:20] <ghostcube> this should remove the garbage
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> ghostcube: not even heard of it man
[13:20] <ghostcube> :) moment
[13:20] <ghostcube> firefox updates
[13:20] <ghostcube> moment pls
[13:20] <ghostcube> :|
[13:21] <ghostcube> i hate this
[13:21] <failers> virtualbox with gaming capabilites FTW :D
[13:21] <ghostcube> x³ linux version is freaking cool
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> well vbox with direct hardware rendering
[13:22] <ghostcube> ActionParsnip: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa
[13:22] <ghostcube> :)
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> just get icehockey for nes and you are sorted :)
[13:22] <ghostcube> try it removes the garbage from opening menus or windows
[13:22] <siegie> Is ther anyone who has a working strigi? I can't activate it in system settings. Not in intrepid and not in jaunty
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> ghostcube: oh that went when i last upgraded
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> ghostcube: but thanks for the link
[13:23] <ghostcube> :)
[13:23] <ghostcube> np
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[13:23] <noaXess> hi all
[13:23] <noaXess> hi ActionParsnip
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> hi noaXess
[13:24] <noaXess> i have a removable cd/dvd drive.. on my notebook.
[13:24] <noaXess> but if i put it in, kubuntu don't see it.. i need to reboot.
[13:24] <noaXess> is there a way to force autodetecten? in 8.04 it worked
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: you may have to rmmod / modprobe some usb module
[13:25] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: and which one?
[13:25] <ares28ultra> It's time to go to study...
[13:25] <noaXess> is the bay on usb, not on ata?
[13:25] <ares28ultra> se you later!!!!
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: try: sudo rmmod usbcore; sudo modprobe usbcore
[13:26] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: so, all usb devices will be down while this command?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: if its usb
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: yes but its gonna come right back up as we put the remove and insert commands on the same line
[13:26] <noaXess> ERROR: Module usbcore is in use by visor,usbserial,usblp,btusb,usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
[13:27] <noaXess> :(
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: ok, unplug the device, wait, plug it back in wait, then run dmesg | tail
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> whats dmesg say?
[13:29] <downhill_> tail -f, even, then do it
[13:29] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/113592/
[13:29] <noaXess> can't see anything in dmesg
[13:30] <noaXess> downhill_: also in tail -f /var/log/messages no event for the cd/dvd-drive if i plug in into the bay
[13:30] <downhill_> restart hal
[13:30] <noaXess> i need to reboot my notebook to get it to work
[13:30] <downhill_> no, restart hal
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> looks like hal is the answer, dave
[13:31] <noaXess> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[13:31] <downhill_> didn't even read the paste :p
[13:31] <noaXess> ?
[13:31] <downhill_> yes
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[13:32] <noaXess> cd/dvd-drive isn't available
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=690296
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> does the system have an internal cd drive?
[13:35] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: this is my only cd/dvd-drive.. notebook, its a bay where i can put the cd/dvd-drive in an another extra battery..
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: what do you get from: file /dev/cdrw
[13:36] <noaXess> if i now restart my notebook with plugged cd/dvd-drive i can use it.. if i then unplug and replug it, i can't us it anymore.. system needs a restart
[13:36] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: there is no /dev/cd* now
[13:36] <noaXess> shoudl i restart, so we can see, how is it plugged in, usb or ata..?
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> noaXess: sounds good, more info
[13:38] <noaXess> ok...
[13:38] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: I need some help killing some creative employees. would you like to come?
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: im already there, whats taking so long ;)
[13:39] <downhill_> teehee
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> i cant see creative being around too long if they keep treating users like they do
[13:39] <keith_> hi
[13:40] <downhill_> heh, that's like saying Microsoft will die if Windows 7 fails. people forget they have Halo/bungi, MSNBC, Office, etc.
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> we'll see
[13:41] <downhill_> that's all we can do, really :)
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> !hi | keith_
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: exactly ;)
[13:42] <Spinshank> !beryl
[13:42] <downhill_> I miss beryl, TBCH
[13:42] <Spinshank> !compiz
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: you can install it
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> afair
[13:43] <downhill_> I sure can. I can even package it, etc. I kwin is fine. I meant in comparison to Compiz Fusion
[13:43] <downhill_> s/I kwin/kwin/
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> i think its a horrible thing, too much fluff
[13:43] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: ok rebooted..
[13:43] <noaXess> now, what information you want?
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> i got a meeting right now, downhill_may be able to help
[13:44] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: frankly I wish Gnome and GTK would just go die :)
[13:44] <downhill_> uh don't volunteer me, I was thinking of leaving :p
[13:44] <noaXess> ok
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> gtk is good, gnome is pretty bad imho
[13:44] <noaXess> [    3.944465] ata2.00: ATAPI: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GMA-4084N, KR01, max UDMA/33
[13:44] <downhill_> noaXess: basically you need to make sure hal is working and all that. use dmesg (and maybe ubuntu puts it's own log for hal in /var/log/?) to see what's up.
[13:44] <noaXess> [    3.964386] scsi 1:0:0:0: CD-ROM            HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GMA-4084N KR01 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[13:45] <noaXess> now it works..
[13:45] <downhill_> awesome.
[13:45] <noaXess> but if i desconnect it and want reconnect it, it won't work until next reboot
[13:45] <noaXess> jep
[13:45] <noaXess> ok..
[13:45] <noaXess> have to go.
[13:45] <downhill_> later
[13:45] <noaXess> will be bakc later
[13:54] <replman> Hi! I'm accessing my kubuntu-machine via ssh and would like to automount my external usb-disk. How to do that?
[13:55] <dr_Willis> replman,  put a proper entry in the /etc/fstab file. is the normal way
[13:56] <dr_Willis> and its 'best' to use the UUID of the drive to  mount it from fstab -  so it wont 'move' around the /dev/sd## devices.
[13:56] <replman> dr_Willis: I can put an entry there so that the drive is automatically mounted/umounted?
[13:56] <dr_Willis> Or use the label of the drive.
[13:56] <dr_Willis> fstab gets read. and the devices automountd at boot.. yes...
[13:56] <dr_Willis> #LABEL="Portable2"  /media/Portable2      ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[13:56] <gorgonzola> hello. for some reasson, i'm experiencing terribly slow http traffic on my user session. any ideas as to why could this be?
[13:56] <dr_Willis> is my external usb hd. :)
[13:57] <replman> And if i connect the drive when kubuntu/kde is alreay runnung, does the popup comes up and lets me mount the drive?
[13:57] <dr_Willis> replman,  Most likely NO.. fstab will  i think override that behaivor.
[13:58] <replman> How do i get the uuid of the drive?
[13:58] <dr_Willis> You can set up a fstab where your user can mount it at any time..
[13:58] <dr_Willis> !uuid
[13:58] <Spinshank> ok i like that lol
[13:59] <replman> dr_Willis: thank you
[13:59] <Spinshank> how can i make amarok hot keys global
[14:00] <bderenor> Spinshank: you mean the "<META>+X" stuff?
[14:00] <bderenor> Spinshank: that should already be global
[14:00] <ekber> hi
[14:01] <replman> but just for interest: The automount happening when pressing in the popup of kde, can this also be done from the shell?
[14:01] <dr_Willis> HAL handles auto-mounting on insert
[14:01] <Spinshank> nope
[14:02] <dr_Willis> the whole 'automounting' stuff.. can get  confuseing .  since its  often handeld by different services/methods
[14:02] <Spinshank> the hot keys like play pause on  (g15) gen 1)
[14:30]  * ildyakonov is away: ïÔÏÛ£Ì.
[14:33] <quassel73> i am very very impressed by new knetworkmanager
[14:33] <quassel73> good work now it looks amaizing
[14:46] <juacom99> hi, does anyone know where kmail inbox folder is?
[14:48] <whyhankee> juacom99: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/<something>, i'm using imap thats another dir, but it should be there somewhere
[14:48] <juacom99> that's the pop3 inbox?
[14:50] <whyhankee> juacom99: afaik, yes
[14:50] <juacom99> whyhankee: thanks
[14:57] <ubuntu_> hello ! how do i install 8.10 on a ide ( hda ) system. It will onky do sata (sda) ?
[14:58] <juacom99> done :D, at last i could import kmails to thunderbird :D
[14:59] <juacom99> ubuntu_: run the live, select the (hda you want, make the partition, install
[14:59] <ubuntu_> thats the issue .. it will only show sda and no hda
[15:01] <juacom99> ohh i don't know then, sorry
[15:01] <ubuntu_> if i could just give teh correct kernel paramters ( F6 on boot install ). Any idea what to enter ?
[15:12] <tero> Hey can someone help me? I have problems with sources.list
[15:13] <Kransac> Hey everyone
[15:13] <tero> HEy
[15:14] <tero> I need some help with my sources.list
[15:14] <Kransac> I'm not sure if I can help but you can still try ;-)
[15:15] <Kransac> Is it possible under Kmail create filters that apply labels? I'd like to have different colors (or image) in my inbox, depending on the sender
[15:15] <quassel73> Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries
[15:15] <quassel73> what might be the problem?
[15:16] <syockit> quassel73: how'd you get that?
[15:16] <zaapiel> salute
[15:17] <zaapiel> anyway to make alt+tab cycle through windows on other virtual desktops
[15:17] <zaapiel> ?
[15:17] <ali_> HI everyone...
[15:17] <ali_> I just installed Kubuntu on my desktop
[15:17] <ali_> I have got strong 9 years of experience with Windows OS.. but none with Linux
[15:18] <ali_> how to start with linux ?? i mean i want to be an intermediate user on linux Operating systems
[15:18] <Kransac> At the moment I can do it only manualy
[15:19] <fondjo> hi
[15:19] <fondjo> is there anybody to help me
[15:19] <Kransac> depending on youre question
[15:20] <fondjo> I want to know how to make public_html a skeleton folder
[15:20] <fondjo> such a desktop public etc.
[15:20] <Kransac> I can't ;-)
[15:21] <fondjo> such that by creating a new user he has public_html too
[15:21] <fondjo> ok tnx
[15:21] <Pici> fondjo: What happens if you make a folder in /etc/skel/ ?
[15:22] <fondjo> I haven't try that
[15:22] <fondjo> is Desktop folder also located there?
[15:23] <Kransac> oh now I understant, I did that some times ago by modifying the rights
[15:23] <quassel73> syockit, i installed biblioo
[15:23] <quassel73> babiloo
[15:23] <fondjo> by modifying what?
[15:24] <Pici> fondjo: hrm, no its not. /me looks
[15:24] <Kransac> you one one folder to be available to all user don't you?
[15:24] <fondjo> ok
[15:24] <fondjo> yes
[15:24] <fondjo> when I create a new user
[15:24] <fondjo> I want the folder to be create in his home
[15:25] <Kransac> oh ok. Like if the user modifies something in it, it doesn't affect the others users similar folder?
[15:26] <Pici> fondjo: Looks like /etc/skel does have more information on my non ubuntu-server install
[15:26] <Kransac> I belive Pici is better than me ;-)
[15:27] <fondjo> I have ubuntu server 8.10 installed
[15:27] <Pici> fondjo: Doesn't hurt to try it
[15:27] <fondjo> ok thanks
[15:28] <fondjo> I will do it now
[15:30] <javier_> hello
[15:30] <javier_> is somebody here?
[15:31] <Kransac> :)
[15:32] <fondjo> tnx
[15:32] <fondjo> it works
[15:32] <fondjo> :)
[15:32] <fondjo> Tnx Pici u are great
[15:34] <Pici> fondjo: you're welcome
[15:46] <jimmy51_> wello, i've got a wifi card that connects at only 1mbps in kubuntu, but connects at it's top speed in XP.  rtl8180 chip.  is this common?
[15:46] <wesley_> Hello guys since some days my kde4.2 music apps like amarok and juk don´t play anymore my music :(
[15:47] <wesley_> Seems to be happing only with kde4 apps, but same goes for kde-nightly
[15:49] <ghostcube> jimmy51_sounds not normal
[15:54] <Black_Monkey> hi, when I boot, it tells me that the "Digital" version of my soundcard isn't detected, and asks if I want to forget it - and I have no sound whatsoever
[15:55] <Sarasvati> HI, anyone familiar with Synfig?
[15:56] <fondjo> hello Pici
[15:56] <fondjo> I don't know if you r still there
[15:56] <fondjo> I have another question
[15:57] <fondjo> I have enable the userdir but when I create the public_html folder
[15:57] <fondjo> in users account
[15:57] <fondjo> they can see their index.html
[15:57] <fondjo> can someone plz help me?
[15:57] <ciber> hi iḿ wendy
[16:00] <fondjo> hi
[16:00] <ciber> I pogramed Kubuntu in my computer but i dont no haw to use it can somebody help me?
[16:01] <fondjo> what do you want to use?
[16:02] <ciber> well i want to learn all abbbbut that proram
[16:03] <ciber> al about kubuntu
[16:03] <siekaczx> hi
[16:05] <meko> hallo
[16:05] <Black_Monkey> ciber: erm, that's not really something we can just explain here
[16:07] <ciber> and what can you explain?
[16:08] <Black_Monkey> ciber: best thing is to google around for some guides to using it
[16:08] <ciber> ok thanks
[16:09] <ciber> then what can a now here?
[16:11] <eagles0513875> anyone have an issue getting onto kde after upgrading to 4.2 on interpid
[16:11] <eagles0513875> i gave my pc a restart already and it still wont load the desktop
[16:21] <kaddi> heya :)
[16:30] <arnehe> Hi! I am currently trying to upgrade my Kubuntu 8.10 to KDE 4.2 but I get following error message:
[16:30] <arnehe> Unpacking kdebase-workspace-data (from .../kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_all.deb) ...
[16:30] <arnehe> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:30] <arnehe>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/windowbehaviour/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package kde-window-manager
[16:30] <arnehe> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[16:30] <arnehe> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:30] <arnehe>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_all.deb
[16:30] <arnehe> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:30] <ct529> help! I have by mistake deleted some files! I depserately need to recover them!
[16:30] <fondjo> can someone help me?
[16:30] <arnehe> Can anybody help me?
[16:30] <fondjo> I enable userdir but
[16:31] <fondjo> it is not working
[16:31] <fondjo> for user
[16:31] <ct529> I was within kdesvn when I deleted them, and for some reasons they have not been moved to the trash!
[16:31] <yao_ziyuan> in my /tmp there is a "ssh-xxxxxxxxxx" folder and in it there is an "agent.2363" file
[16:32] <fondjo> can someone tell me where is the problem? plz
[16:32] <yao_ziyuan> does this mean i am hacked?
[16:33] <Pete__> yao_ziyuan: That file is created automatically
[16:34] <Pete__> shouldn't be anything to worry about
[16:34] <yao_ziyuan> good
[16:38] <eagles0513875> im having a problem with kde 4.2
[16:39] <eagles0513875> i just upgrade dusing the the ppa and as i was upgrading i got an error with the kded package and it said that it wasnt a valid package and now i cant login to my desktop how can i rectify the problem
[16:43] <JuJuBee> I have an external monitor conencted to my laptop. I cant seem to get it to set to 1280x1024.  I used xrandr it shows 1024x768 as teh maximum, but it used to do 1280x1024.
[16:43] <arnehe> Hi eagles0513875! You can probably login on a text console (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F2) and then try to run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[16:43] <eagles0513875> did that already arnehe
[16:44] <eagles0513875> the problem was that as that was occuring i got an error in regards to the kded which said the one in the ppa isnt a valid package
[16:48] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in here :(
[16:50] <arnehe> I also haven't received a single response to my problem while upgrading to KDE 4.2 (almost 20 minutes ago)
[16:50] <eagles0513875> what was it arnehe
[16:54] <arnehe> I got following error message:
[16:54] <arnehe> Unpacking kdebase-workspace-data (from .../kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_all.deb) ...
[16:54] <arnehe> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:54] <arnehe>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/windowbehaviour/index.cache.bz2', which is also in package kde-window-manager
[16:54] <arnehe> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[16:54] <arnehe> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:54] <arnehe>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_all.deb
[16:54] <arnehe> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:56] <eagles0513875> arnehe:  run sudo dpkg -configure -a
[16:56] <eagles0513875> that will clear out ur apt-get from being blocked if u run sudo apt-get update or anything of the sort
[16:59] <arnehe> Thanks, eagles0513875! However, I get "unknown option -o" although I did not use any "-o". ???
[17:04] <devil> hi
[17:07] <eagles0513875> arnehe: :( dunno about the -o never saw that before
[17:09] <yao_ziyuan> Crystal 2.0.3! http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=75140
[17:17] <Frederick> folks ive installed a new hd how do I do ubuntu add it to fstab?
[17:20] <Thor> hi
[17:21] <tmckay> i'm getting an error while trying to execute the instructions from http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 for adding the key for kde 4.2 repo
[17:22] <Thor> i just pluggen a usb stick on my linux machine but the system doesn't mount my usb stick
[17:23] <fondjo> can someone help me with this
[17:23] <Thor> same problem when i plugged in my ipod
[17:23] <fondjo> [Wed Feb 04 11:21:39 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /~barner/ denied
[17:23] <tmckay> Thor: try running lsusb to see if it is available
[17:23] <tmckay> and then you can use pmount /dev/your-usb
[17:23] <fondjo> I am trying to enable userdir
[17:23] <fondjo> but can't have it works
[17:24] <fondjo> plz
[17:24] <tmckay> fondjo: you might check that the apache user has access to the userdir and also make sure that the <directory> configuration is correct
[17:27] <j> Hi everybody !
[17:28] <Thor> tmckay:Bus 005 Device 015: ID 13fe:1d00 Kingston Technology Company Inc. DataTraveler 2.0 1GB Flash Drive
[17:28] <kaddi_> heya again...
[17:28] <kaddi_> i'm having issues with my wlan... it just loves to disconnect me...
[17:28] <tmckay> Thor: so you're detecting the device, you just need to mount it
[17:29] <kaddi_> knetworkmanager all of a sudden restarts and usually won't reconnect until i've shut down all applications acceding internet (kopete, konversation, amarok, firefox)
[17:29] <kaddi_> but i have no idea where to start to troubleshoot to find the issue
[17:29] <tmckay> find the device in the /dev folder and then pmount -t fs_type /media/usb or something
[17:29] <kaddi_> (the wlanchip worked out of the box, i'm using intrepid with kubuntu 4.2 but had these issues with 4.1 as well)
[17:30] <tmckay> Thor: actually it would be more like pmount -t fs_type /dev/sdb1
[17:30] <tmckay> and it will automatically mount to the /media/sdb1
[17:34] <yao_ziyuan> me so proud that two of my suggestions for the Crystal kwin have been adopted in its 2.0.3 release
[17:34] <yao_ziyuan> 1. inactive window title text does not have shadow
[17:35] <yao_ziyuan> 2. hollow glitches
[17:36] <Xand3r_laptop> hey ho
[17:36] <Xand3r_laptop> how can i setup dualview with kde4?
[17:36] <Xand3r_laptop> i have now conneced the second monitor
[17:37] <Xand3r_laptop> but i get the sam pictures in eache monitor
[17:37] <Xand3r_laptop> how can i get two indioendent desktops?
[17:38] <Frederick> Folks I got a second 500gb disk how would you partition it?
[17:47] <tmckay> Frederick: you can use fdisk
[17:52] <Gun_Smoke> fdisk +1 and decide what you are going to use it for..
[18:11] <Crystufer> Oi all.
[18:11] <Crystufer> I'm a Nub and I can't remember which disc to torrent for 64 bit kubuntu on an intel dual core proc.
[18:12] <Crystufer> Ya'll know?
[18:12] <tmckay> Crystufer: intel is x86 architecture
[18:12] <martijn81> it does not matther which one you take
[18:13] <Crystufer> So then I want the x86amd disc. Not the i386 disc.
[18:13] <tmckay> it looks like the 64bit download works on amd and intel
[18:14] <Crystufer> Sexy. Thanks guys.
[18:14] <lbet> kubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso is 64 bits for both intel and AMD
[18:14] <Crystufer> Oh good. I was just scared cuz it mentioned amd in there. :p
[18:14] <gmathews> Hi, is it possible to get the default 4.2 KDE i had..i was playing around with the panel at the bottom and it disappearred..now it doesn't follow my glassified theme
[18:14] <gmathews> IE the default 4.2 settings after updating to Kde 4.2 from 4.1
[18:14] <Crystufer> Okay. Gonna torrent then install. cya guys.
[18:16] <tmckay> gmathews: i'm not recommending this, but it might be possible to delete the .kde4 folder in your home directory
[18:16] <gmathews> lol that does not sound like a good option tmckay
[18:18] <tmckay> gmathews: agreed, only other options that i know are aptitude purge and reinstalling or diffing against clean install
[18:18] <watercooled_> what the deal
[18:18] <lbet> not sure if it's a kde or kubuntu problem (or just me): setting the locale in KDE system settigs (date and number format) does not affect gnome or non-gui applications. Language is EN, but I set my country to "Germany". If I type "locale" in a terminal I get LC_* = en_US  (language should stay en_US, but date/number settings should be european. how can I fix it?
[18:23] <siekacz> trunk opened, new KDE 4.3 in June :)
[18:24] <piksi> is there some feature wise reason generally in kde4.2 currently why i'm unable to apply the desktop theme details (kubuntu 8.10 kde 4.2) ?
[18:24] <piksi> I've got new themes which seem to have installed properly but after pressing apply nothing ever happens and later on when the window is opened all the settings are reverted back to oxygen
[18:25] <vbgunz> anybody know how to get rid of the annoying "cannot change permission for" dialogs boxes everytime you move something from ntfs to ext3 or vice-versa? I know ntfs cant handle permissions, I don't need the dialog boxes. anyone got a fix for this?
[18:25] <Captain_Haddock> Hi, anybody know where I can get kubuntu packages for KTorrent 3.2 RC1?
[18:28] <Gun_Smoke> Captain_Haddock: maybe backports?
[18:28] <gsystem-desktop> ciao è  uscito un nuovo sistema operativo http://youtube.com/watch?v=OkVoXXHtKp0
[18:28] <dewman> Vbgunz: you need to change your /etc/fstab to something like this:
[18:28] <dewman> Vbgunz: /dev/hda3 /mnt/win ntfs ro,umask=0000,user,gid=users 0 0
[18:28] <Gun_Smoke> gmathews: How far into setting up your system are you?  if you remove .kde4 it will be replaced with defaults
[18:29] <dewman> this will give all users the ability to access the windows partition and execute files from it, you can change the umask to 0222 if you want to limit full access to all but root of course change it to meet your mount point and partition information
[18:29] <Captain_Haddock> Gun_Smoke: I don't believe backports stores RCs... I've got it enabled here - no updates as of yet. It's been out for a few days now.
[18:29] <gmathews> Gun_Smoke: I solved the problem..went into desktop settings and played around :) All this thing is time and it all works out :P
[18:30] <vbgunz> dewman, thanks, I will try it :)
[18:30] <dewman> Vbgunz:Your welcome. I had the same probelm on 5 of my windowz disks. =)
[18:30] <Gun_Smoke> gmathews: good.
[18:32] <Gun_Smoke> Captain_Haddock: I see 3.1.5 in 9.04 still nothing on 3.2
[18:33] <stmiller> anyone have plasma locking up on them? I'm not sure what's going on. This is with intrepid and 4.2
[18:33] <stmiller> I have to kill the plasma process and restart it
[18:33] <Gun_Smoke> Captain_Haddock: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KTorrent?content=26353
[18:34] <lbet> setting the locale in KDE system settigs (date and number format) does not affect gnome or non-gui applications. Language is EN, but I set my country to "Germany". If I type "locale" in a terminal I get LC_* = en_US  (language should stay en_US, but date/number settings should be european. how can I fix it?
[18:35] <Captain_Haddock> Gun_Smoke: cheers.. I saw that page too and could only find debs for the beta and not the RC.. the main post only links to the source
[18:36] <disi> Hi, what version of Kubuntu do I need to use for ext4 support? I do not need the root partition as ext4 but my home and external drives are already with ext4 formatted. The broken installer in the 9.04 alpha version sounds bad :(
[18:36] <cbwcjw> Anybody notice todays KDE 4.2 updates?
[18:37] <Captain_Haddock> stmiller: while not locking up... plasma consumes a lot of resources here in Intrepid 4.2
[18:37] <Captain_Haddock> currently at 13.5% mem and regularly spikes CPU usage
[18:38] <Captain_Haddock> The irony is that this is a vast improvement to 4.1 :|
[18:38] <Captain_Haddock> cbwcjw: I just did.. something wrong with them?
[18:39] <stmiller> Ibet try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[18:42] <stmiller> Captain_Haddock ok thanks could be the widgets I have
[18:42] <lbet> stmiller: I already did.. it says "generatig locales" then I see a lot of en_XX "up-to-date" (many different country-variations of EN). then "generatio complete" but running "locales" again in a terminal shows everything is en_US. I also tryed logging out and even rebooting
[18:43] <stmiller> hmmm....
[18:43] <tedy> whoo want to buy a Nintendo Wii for 380CHF
[18:44] <lbet> .. by the way. If I open system settings I do se "country or region: Germany" and the example date and number formats in KDE control center are ok (so it is saving the locale somewhere) but the standard LC_ variables are not updated
[18:44] <tedy> with all games
[18:45] <Stonki> hello. since updating from kde 3.x to 4.2 the ALT-F2 Shortcut isn't working anymore. Bug or feature ?
[18:45] <tedy> whoo want to buy a Nintendo Wii for 380CHF
[18:45] <tedy> with all games
[18:47] <stmiller> Ibet what does this show:  cat /etc/default/locale
[18:47] <tedy> whoo want to buy a Nintendo Wii for 380CHF
[18:47] <Pici> !ot | tedy
[18:48] <stmiller> could be a bug if kubuntu settings don't set that properly
[18:49] <lbet>  cat /etc/default/locale has LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[18:49] <esa-petri> what should one do when update-grub returns expr: non numeric argument and wont install never version of kernel in kubuntu
[18:50] <lbet> note: during installation I choosed lang = en US (that's what I want), but as location for the timezone I choosed "Berlin".. I only want the number and date settings, not the language
[18:51] <arnehe> eagles0513875: I found a typo in your suggestion: you forgot the second dash before "configure"; running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and again with the "--force-depends" option has solved the problem :-)
[18:51] <HUNTER_byte> I’m going to install KDE 4.2 but it will remove konqueror, konqueror-kde4, dolphin-kde4, konsole-kde4. Should I be worried about it? When are the packages going to be available again?
[18:55] <vbgunz> HUNTER_byte: be worried if you dont know of any way to browse without them
[18:55] <Gun_Smoke> HUNTER_byte: aptitude why-not
[18:55] <vbgunz> worse comes to worse you can try mc "midnight commander" a terminal browser
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> HUNTER_byte: Are you in Hardy?
[18:58] <HUNTER_byte> ﻿I use Firefox for browseing but ﻿konqueror and ﻿dolphin are used for the desktop as far I know. This is why I asked.
[18:59] <HUNTER_byte> ﻿JontheEchidna: 8.4. It looks I need update it someday.
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> HUNTER_byte: yeah, installing the 4.2 packages on hardy is not a good idea at all
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> if they'd even be installable, it'd probably error out during the install
[19:05] <alarm> hello, where can i set mount parameters for my external usb HDD , so when its being mounted to be read only ? (on kubuntu 8.10 kde4.2)
[19:06] <esa-petri> fstab can be edited
[19:06] <alarm> esa-petri,  usb devices are not listed in fstab at all
[19:06] <esa-petri> I see sorry
[19:06] <alarm> fstab is used when i put on my own mounting options
[19:07] <alarm> on previous kubuntu releases there was a choice from the settings of each partition to make it read only . not anymore
[19:10] <gLAsgowMonkey> has anyone here tried running kdevelop4
[19:11] <esa-petri> mount -r /dev/something /somewhere works
[19:15] <Darickster> anyone here using a broadcom wireless card bcm4312 rev 2?
[19:15] <Guest42192> Hello, is it okay to ask questions about "C" here?
[19:16] <Hexagown> ...?
[19:18] <Leoz> greetings
[19:19] <Hexagown> Hello
[19:20] <Hexagown> Do you know annything about the programming language "c"?
[19:20] <gLAsgowMonkey> Hexagown: you could ask not sure you will get an answer
[19:20] <Leoz> well, he might not get the answer he's hoping for :P i'm learning it, but i still can't code
[19:21] <Darickster> anyone here using a broadcom wireless card bcm4312 rev 2?
[19:21] <Hexagown> Well, I started use it for some hour ago, and try the classic "hello world" kind of thing, and when iv wrote evrytihng I get the error message:   Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[19:21] <Captain_Haddock> Hexagown: join ##c
[19:21] <Hexagown> O,kay, thank you
[19:22] <Leoz> i feel silly for asking, but has anyone played around with ksudoku? i'm having a small issue <.<
[19:23] <Captain_Haddock> I haven't.. but there's nothing silly about it :) Sudoku is good fun.
[19:23] <Captain_Haddock> ask away - somebody might answer
[19:23] <Leoz> heh, thanks :) you should, lots of great variants in there, but anyway.
[19:23] <Darickster> Captain_Haddock, how it going Captain
[19:23] <Captain_Haddock> not bad Darickster - yourself?
[19:24] <Leoz> when i try playing a 4x4 or 5x5 grid, the program doesn't want to load the alphabetical symbols, so any number beyond 9 shows an empty cell
[19:24] <Darickster> Captain_Haddock, man I'm having the toughest time tryin to get this wireless card working
[19:24] <Darickster> Captain_Haddock, ever messed with a broadcom  bcm4312 rev 2?
[19:24] <Leoz> maybe i'm doing something wrong, but i tried disabling the numerical symbols from the settings already; still blanks
[19:24] <Captain_Haddock> Darickster: I don't know much about it sorry - is it being detected ok?
[19:25] <quassel73> hi i have two computers - one downstairs with kde and openssh-server, and second - my laptop, now i have only shell access to the first computer - it doesnt have any monitor or keyboard, so my question is, how can i set up desktop sharing by using ssh only?
[19:26] <Captain_Haddock> Leoz: this is a sudoku variant that uses alphabets?
[19:26] <Darickster> Captain_Haddock, sure it shows up...but you can't do any manual configuration (i.e. connect to an AP, obtain  lease from my dhcp sever, etc)
[19:27] <Leoz> not exactly
[19:27] <Leoz> it only does when there are 4x4 grids; of course, there being sixteen symbols numbers aren't enough to display them all
[19:27] <Captain_Haddock> Darickster: and you have knetworkmanager running in your tray?
[19:27] <Darickster> Captain_Haddock, yes sir, I do
[19:28] <Captain_Haddock> Darickster: and you have options to configure wifi there?
[19:28] <Leoz> it used to switch automatically to alphabetical symbols in the past, but now it doesn't anymore; hoped someone had any idea why i'm goofing like that
[19:29] <Captain_Haddock> Leoz: oh I see... so it's using hex or something like that I guess.. neat and probably not conducive to easy addition :]
[19:29] <Captain_Haddock> Leoz: have you tried purging and reinstalling it? Maybe it's a font issue. You could also try asking in #kde
[19:31] <Leoz> haven't tried yet, i will once i've restored the network in the VM
[19:33] <Leoz> guess i'll follow your other bit of advice as well, wasn't sure if it was a problem in kubuntu's version or not
[19:33] <attilacyilmazlar> hi all
[19:33] <attilacyilmazlar> i have a problem
[19:33] <attilacyilmazlar> i am using kubuntu interpid ibex
[19:34] <attilacyilmazlar> trying to make a usb stick bootable
[19:34] <attilacyilmazlar> how can i do that?
[19:36] <attilacyilmazlar> any idea??
[19:37] <gLAsgowMonkey> attilacyilmazlar: there is liveusbcreator
[19:38] <gLAsgowMonkey> i thought something was already included in ibex
[19:38] <gLAsgowMonkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Live_USB_creator
[19:39] <attilacyilmazlar> thank you for the help
[19:39] <attilacyilmazlar> I'll check the link
[19:41] <attilacyilmazlar> there seems that i have to start my system with live cd??
[19:41] <attilacyilmazlar> isnt it possible to make it using my already running kubuntu??
[19:42] <arnehe> Bye
[19:45] <axel> Hello! How to convince KMail that e-mails should be sent with no automatic word wrapping? Word Wrap is quite annoying sending long URLs.
[19:45] <gLAsgowMonkey> attilacyilmazlar: not sure about that, some type of respin maybe
[19:46] <axel> addition: I did not find an option for this in the settings.
[19:47] <Darickster> anyone here using a broadcom wireless card bcm4312 rev 2?
[19:47] <attilacyilmazlar> thanks glasgow
[19:53] <Leoz> i don't like the look of this: that appeared to be a bug in an older version of the package, which has been fixed in 4.2.0. only problem, it's in the testing branch <.<
[19:54] <Leoz> so i have two options: either play old-fashioned 3x3 sudoku and its base 3 variants, OR overhaul the distro to play a game with some extra bells. XD
[19:57] <tictric> kernel: [11913.291379] nepomukservices[12146]: segfault at 4 ip b7e4b7e2 sp bf965f00 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[b7df8000+225000]
[19:59] <ForgeAus> who knows lots about grub?... is any of the files in /boot/grub (I'm hazarding possibly one of the stage# files) a copy of the boot sector info for grub (essentially a grldr like grub4dos has)
[20:05] <jals> i have a problem with Grip
[20:05] <Andre_Gondim> where are the .mo file in kubuntu?
[20:06] <martijn81> Andre_Gondim: $find / -name *.mo
[20:07] <Andre_Gondim> marius1_, thanks
[20:08] <Darickster> anyone here using a broadcom wireless card bcm4312 rev 2?
[20:19] <JackWinter> is this a good way to move /home to a new location ?  sudo rsync -axS --exclude='/*/.gvfs' /home/. /media/sdc1/.
[20:20] <david_> ok how do i get rid of this little preference bar everytime i hover a plasmoid?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> david_: right click on desktop-> lock widgets
[20:20] <antony> quit
[20:20] <david_> oh thank you so much!!!
[20:22] <quassel112> h
[20:22] <david_> this is really stupid. they should be locked or maybe movable as standard but this little bar is really annoying
[20:22] <Gun_Smoke> I didn't really care for the way it was done either..
[20:22] <quassel112> does anyone know of a program for doing resumable file copies on ubuntu/kubuntu?
[20:23] <delilaz> hello room, I need help, for some reason kubuntu hardy isn't reading cd's I put in the cdrom drive
[20:24] <delilaz> anyone have any input?
[20:26] <Gun_Smoke> quassel112: locally or over the network?
[20:26] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: mount cdrom
[20:26] <quassel112> Gun_Smoke over sftp/ssh
[20:28] <delilaz> Gun_Smoke: my system says it can't find cdrom
[20:28] <carpii_> in kmail, is there a way to always show html images from certain senders?
[20:32] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: do you have multiple drives?
[20:32] <amelie_> hi
[20:33] <amelie_> I have 2 hard drives of 500gb
[20:33] <amelie_> sda, is splitted in two; the first half have Windows XP SP3, the second have Ubuntu 8.04
[20:34] <delilaz> my computer double boots with winxp and kubuntu, and I have a dvdrom and cdwriter
[20:34] <amelie_> I partitioned SDB2, and installed Ubuntu Server 8.10
[20:34] <amelie_> sdb is partitioned 100gb for root, 3.2 for swap and the rest of it for home
[20:35] <amelie_> I was afraid of mess up the grub; so i didn't install it during the second hard drive OS installation
[20:35] <amelie_> and the system doesn' recognized that OS
[20:35] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: try mount /dev/scd0
[20:35] <amelie_> how can I include this last operating system into the grub boot loader?
[20:36] <Gun_Smoke> !grub
[20:36] <amelie_> no no
[20:36] <bmunger> is there any way to get battery health status from kubuntu?  I know you can do it with ubuntu but I haven't found any application that will grab that data in kubuntu
[20:36] <amelie_>  i didn't lost grub
[20:37] <amelie_> it is making the dual boot
[20:37] <Gun_Smoke> so then try the second link
[20:37] <amelie_> but i installed a third operating system into the second hard drive
[20:37] <amelie_> that's the one it is not recognized; because when I was doing the third installation, I didn't install the grub into the MBR
[20:38] <amelie_> how can I edit the grub to include the third operating system
[20:38] <amelie_> ?
[20:38] <Gun_Smoke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:38] <Gun_Smoke> it's all right there
[20:39] <delilaz> Gun_Smoke: didn't work, in my disk&filesystems, optical disk dvd-rom is /dev/scd1 and then I have this partition that says /media/cdrom0 auto /dev/hdc
[20:39] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: then try /dev/scd1 and /media/cdrom0 is a mount point.
[20:40] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: try mount with no arguments and look to see if a /dev/scd* is listed there. then look for it's mount point.  It is possible already mounted.
[20:41] <amelie_> thanks
[20:43] <delilaz> Gun_Smoke: this is what I get: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist" and "can't find /dev/scd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[20:44] <abstortedminds> is kde-nightly the lastest in ubuntu repository? or is the official one available yet
[20:44] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: this is kde 4.?
[20:44] <delilaz> kde 3.5.10
[20:45] <Gun_Smoke> ah.. I have no clue about most of KDE.. I just moved in from gnome.. But mount with no arguments gave you what?  paste it in #flood
[20:45] <delilaz> it used to work before, I never had this prob with dapper, now I have hardy
[20:46] <delilaz> Gun_Smoke: ok will do
[20:47]  * sufria wonders how Gun_Smoke made that #flood link
[20:47] <bmunger> is there any way to get battery health status from kubuntu?  I know you can do it with ubuntu but I haven't found any application that will grab that data in kubuntu
[20:47] <sufria> oh, nvm
[20:48] <delilaz> Gun_Smoke: just pasted it now
[20:48] <abstortedminds> is kde-nightly the lastest in ubuntu repository? or is the official one available yet?
[20:48] <sufria> bmunger: you mean the percentage-battery-used indicator?
[20:48] <dtchen> bmunger: not directly yet, but you can always query it via lshal or hal-get-property
[20:49] <bmunger> sufria, no as in how degraded the battery is
[20:49] <bmunger> dtchen: thanks i will look at that
[20:49] <sufria> oh okay
[20:52] <Gun_Smoke> delilaz: I'm getting a bit lost here.. so I gave it a try on my syetem.. By simple putting a cd in the drive it didn't auto mount but the volume was visable in Dolpin.
[20:52] <carpii_> trying to set up a recurring TODO task in Montact, but on the Recurrance tab everything is disabled. Why ?
[20:52] <carpii_> in Kontact
[20:54] <delilaz> i'm confused myself, when something that used to work suddenly doesn't
[20:58] <mefisto__> carpii_: have you enabled recurrence?
[20:59] <carpii_> well tehres a tick box on the recurrence tab, but thats disabled too
[20:59] <Gun_Smoke> I usually try simple stuff first.. It's 90% of the time something very easy
[20:59] <carpii_> is there some recurrence daemon that should be running ?
[20:59] <Gun_Smoke> maybe 'eject' and try again?  years ago ubuntu was famous for missing cd media
[21:00] <delilaz> Gun_Smoke: yes, thanks for your help, I'm going to try to reboot
[21:02] <mefisto__> carpii_: how are you starting the new TODO exactly? when I try it the tick box is not greyed out
[21:02] <carpii_> ok i go to TODO in the left hand icon bar
[21:02] <carpii_> add a new TODO from the edit box and hit enter
[21:02] <carpii_> then doubleclick the task in the list, and go to recurrence tab
[21:03] <carpii_> this is on Kontact 1.2.9 on KDE 3.5.1
[21:06] <mefisto__> carpii_: in general tab, click the "due" tickbox, then see if recurrence can be enabled
[21:08] <alexei> Where do I start configuring mail transfer agent? I get this on Intrepid: "Mailing to remote domains not supported .... Received: from alexei by novo with local (Exim 4.69)"
[21:09] <carpii_> awesome, thanks mefisto :)
[21:09] <carpii_> thats wasnt too intuitive :p
[21:09] <carpii_> id set a start time but not a due time
[21:09] <mefisto__> carpii_: I guess the todo has to be associated with a date before you can get it to recur
[21:09] <carpii_> yeah, guess so :)
[21:10] <mefisto__> carpii_: I usually create todos from the calendar, so the due date is already filled
[21:10] <carpii_> ahh
[21:10] <carpii_> ok, well at least its not a bug :D
[21:14] <adben> hello everyone, in kubuntu w/ kde4.2 how i could cchange kdm theme ?
[21:16] <adben> some ideas?
[21:20] <benji_> Hello, I'm having trouble with the new Kmail in 4.2 on Intrepid
[21:21] <whyhankee> adben: system-settings -> advanced -> Login Manager -> Theme?
[21:22] <benji_> Anyone else having trouble connecting to their gmail accounts with Kmail?
[21:24] <khalidmian> how do i instal sunjava for kubuntu
[21:24] <whyhankee> benji_: could you be a bit more precise? it seems i can read my gmail from kmail
[21:25] <gLAsgowMonkey> khalidmian: which version
[21:25] <khalidmian> 64 bit
[21:26] <gLAsgowMonkey> 5 or 6 / jre or jdk
[21:26] <khalidmian> 6
[21:26] <khalidmian> not openjdk
[21:27] <khalidmian> jre
[21:27] <khalidmian> either via sudo
[21:27] <khalidmian> or deb
[21:29] <gLAsgowMonkey> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[21:29] <khalidmian> i have a bin file in desktop for java how do i run that
[21:29] <gLAsgowMonkey> you can install it through the repos
[21:32] <khalidmian> gLAsgowMonkey: ty for help
[21:33] <alanabs> hello everyone
[21:33] <alanabs> noob here
[21:33] <alanabs> anyone willing to help me out
[21:33] <alanabs> i just installed wubi through windows
[21:34] <alanabs> i chose kubuntu, but it gave me kde 4.1
[21:34] <alanabs> is there a way to upgrade to 4.2 easily
[21:37] <sven_> good evening
[21:37] <sven_> is this channel english or german?
[21:39] <whyhankee> sven_: english please
[21:39] <sven_> ok, no problem ...
[21:39] <sven_> i'm havin trouble upgrading to kde4.2
[21:39] <sven_> can u help
[21:39] <Pandemic187> really quick question...there is a way to change to clock to 12hr, right?
[21:41] <sven_> "/var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.2.0 ..."
[21:41] <sven_> "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[21:42] <mefisto__> Pandemic187: yes, in systemsettings, regional & language, times and dates tab
[21:42] <Pandemic187> thanks mefisto.
[21:43] <mefisto__> sven_: someone here yesterday had that problem (with a different package). they uninstalled the package, upgraded to 4.2, then reinstalled the package
[21:45] <sven_> mefisto__: i'm always running into unresolved dependencies uninstalling the package(s)
[21:45] <dvheumen> A question for someone else who uses the KDE 4.2 packages from the PPA: Do you also have a delay of roughly a second when you click on the 'Application Launcher' (start button), before the menu actually shows?
[21:47] <whyhankee> dvheumen: first time i may have that second, but the next time its there pretty fast (not counting the fade-in time)
[21:47] <skole> Hi! I have 8.10 installed, and I can't get the wireless connection to work. I have the B32 driver installed, and it says it works.
[21:48] <dvheumen> whyhankee: hmmm... okay interesting. I have turned off the desktop effects, but I have this delay every time, not only the first time
[21:48] <thomas__> Hi, if I need to find a java programmer (like, now), where could I go
[21:48] <AlanasAnikonis> If the money is good, you have found one ;)
[21:48] <thomas__> what is good?
[21:48] <dvheumen> whyhankee: and I'm not exaggerating ... it truly is a whole second ... so that's quite a large delay imo
[21:48] <thomas__> or rather, how much is good?
[21:49] <AlanasAnikonis> thomas__: good question, is it a quick hack or some serious job?
[21:49] <sven_> skole: static ip adress? try fetching from the dhcp
[21:49] <thomas__> well, shld be easy if you know some maths.
[21:50] <whyhankee> dvheumen: i wish i could help, but i'm not sure where to start looking for that one :(
[21:50] <thomas__> example of a question: for 2 number a and b, calculate the least common multiple
[21:50] <AlanasAnikonis> thatgcd
[21:50] <AlanasAnikonis> that's called GCD
[21:50] <AlanasAnikonis> not?
[21:50] <mefisto__> dvheumen: I noticed when I changed animation speed to anything other than normal, effects were very slow
[21:51] <dvheumen> whyhankee: yeah, got the same problem here, but thanks :). I've just switched to the classic style menu and it's improved, but not that much. I'll have a look on the forum too
[21:51] <dvheumen> mefisto__: my effects are off, but I'll have a look at any animation settings
[21:51] <thomas__> yes, gcd is the next question
[21:51] <thomas__> so, interested?
[21:52] <dvheumen> mefisto__: do you by any change know where these animation settings are?
[21:52] <Dillizar> my pc cant find my new mp3 player can any body help me
[21:52] <skole> sven_ : Not static IP adress. The problem is that I can't connect to a encrypted network.
[21:52] <AlanasAnikonis> hehe, no thomas__, I don't do homework ;(
[21:52] <thomas__> not homework...job :)
[21:53] <mefisto__> dvheumen: general tab of desktop effects. right-click a window titlebar, configure window behaviour to get to it quickly
[21:54] <mefisto__> dvheumen: if it's not set to normal, try turning on desktop effects, set to normal, then turn desktop effects off again
[21:54] <mefisto__> dvheumen: just guessing here
[21:55] <dvheumen> mefisto__: yeah I figured that that was your plan. I'm already experimenting with it
[21:55] <sven_> skole: mmh, no idea. what do you mean with encrypted network? connection from your pc to your router via wpa2?
[21:56] <dvheumen> mefisto__: okay, set to 'instant' now, but no change. (with effects on and off)
[21:56] <skole> sven_: wep key
[21:57] <RobertLaptop> df -h
[21:58] <RobertLaptop> Sorry wrong window
[21:58] <sven_> skole: with knetwork_manager? I dislike the nm. I prefer wicd. sorry i can't help.
[21:58] <mefisto__> dvheumen: is everything else slow, or just that menu?
[21:59] <sven_> exit
[21:59] <skole> sven_: I m running wicd noqw. But it didn't help
[21:59] <dvheumen> mefisto__: no, that's the point, it's just the menu. And I've already kept an eye on the harddisk led, but it doesn't seem to be reading/writing anything in the meanwhile
[21:59] <dvheumen> *meantime
[22:00] <skole> sven_: It will not connect... stops when authenticating
[22:00] <mefisto__> dvheumen: you could try lancelot menu as a workaround maybe
[22:01] <mefisto__> dvheumen: it should be in the add widgets list in 4.2
[22:01] <gLAsgowMonkey> guys anyone know how to set KDEDIRS
[22:01] <dvheumen> mefisto__: hmm... that's an idea. On the other hand, ... I don't remember that this problem existed a week or so ago ... maybe it's something that has developed on the last PPA update ... I'll just be a little patient for now :)
[22:02] <dvheumen> mefisto__: and the 'classic style menu' is somewhat faster so it's a doable workaround
[22:03] <mefisto__> dvheumen: I'm curious whether it's kickoff itself or something wierd going on with the menu caching that would effect all menus
[22:03] <dvheumen> mefisto__: ow, in that case I'll add Lancelot and give it a go, ... one moment ...
[22:04] <mefisto__> dvheumen: or you could right-click the kickoff icon and set to classic menu style. see if that's any different
[22:05] <dvheumen> mefisto__: the classic menu style is already in effect at the moment
[22:05] <khalidmian> i hate 64 bit kubuntu - so many errors & so slow
[22:08] <mefisto__> dvheumen: you could try this to rebuild the system config cache: kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[22:08] <dvheumen> mefisto__: well, it seems that Lancelot is not affected by this problem. I can see a white space for a fraction of a second while the lancelot menu is being drawn, but there no 1 second or even a half-a-second delay at all
[22:09] <dvheumen> mefisto__: the cache rebuild had no effect
[22:10] <vbgunz> I have no sound.... why? amarok is playing but I aint hearing anything :/
[22:10] <dvheumen> mefisto__: tnx for the help, I'll keep with the classical menu for now
[22:11] <oobe> /j #poo
[22:11] <oobe> woops
[22:11] <mefisto__> dvheumen: so the classic menu has no 1 sec delay?
[22:12] <dvheumen> mefisto__: well, it does still have a delay, but it's a bit faster ... about half a second I would say
[22:12] <whyhankee> vbgunz: when you start kmix, are all the relevant channels on volume and not muted?
[22:13] <whyhankee> dvheumen: do you have a lot of applications in your menu, maybe even gnome apps or .. ? (mine is about clean)
[22:14] <vbgunz> whyhankee: nothing muted. am looking at all sliders, none are muted. I think my sound crashed at some point :/
[22:14] <dvheumen> whyhankee: no ... I think it has less icons that the original KDE install. I've removed quite some programs that I don't use.
[22:14] <dvheumen> whyhankee: the only things that are out of the ordinary are Wine and OpenOffice I think
[22:15] <dvheumen> whyhankee: and I have already rebooted just to be sure that it wasn't some residual effect of some kind
[22:15] <whyhankee> dvheumen: i have those too.. weird, maybe its looking for links that you deleted (im not sure why, but)
[22:15] <whyhankee> dvheumen: did you delete those entries recently?
[22:17] <dvheumen> whyhankee: no, most of the program were deleted even before the install of KDE 4.2 beta. The only things I did recently were some updates and the installation of OOo 3.0.1 (via DEB packages)
[22:19] <dvheumen> whyhankee: now uninstaling Gnome desktop integration package ... maybe that'll help
[22:19] <dvheumen> whyhankee: nope, doesn't seem to help
[22:21] <whyhankee> dvheumen: no clue then, sry. And it's about bed time here, goodluck :)
[22:21] <dvheumen> whyhankee: no prob, tnx anyways, bye :)
[22:22] <mefisto__> dvheumen: restricted graphics driver enabled?
[22:23] <dvheumen> mefisto__: yep, ofcourse! :) and anyways, the desktop effects are off, so that's not the problem
[22:25] <mefisto__> dvheumen: the only other thing I can think of is trying to log in with a new user, to see if it's something in your .kde folder
[22:26] <dvheumen> mefisto__: hmmm... that's an idea, I'll try that some time (but not right now) :)
[22:26] <mefisto__> dvheumen: or log out of kde, rename .kde then log back in
[22:27] <dvheumen> mefisto__: yeah I know about .kde
[22:28] <martijn81> when i want to compile ktorrent from source, i get a cmake warning that kdepimlibs folder cannot be found
[22:28] <hybrid> hello
[22:28] <martijn81> one guy told me that the folder was renamed in kde4
[22:28] <martijn81> do anyone of you know what this folder is renamed in?
[22:29] <martijn81> i have install kdepimlibs5 and kdepimlibs5-dev and it still does not work, see this-> http://pastebin.ca/1327506
[22:30] <hybrid> use synapic package manager
[22:31] <hybrid> use add/remove aplications
[22:31] <hybrid> internet
[22:34] <heinkel_111> does anyone know a good way I can use my computer as an alarm clock?
[22:35] <alarm> who called me ?
[22:35] <heinkel_111> :-)̈́
[22:36] <heinkel_111> I need an alarm clock for 04:00 (AM, but I use 34hr)... I got a computer with loudspeakers...somehow this should be possible
[22:37] <heinkel_111> my cell phone is kind of unreliable when it comes to the early morning wake up call
[22:37] <mefisto__> heinkel_111: you could set up a cron job to play a music file
[22:37] <alarm> where can i set mount parameters for my external usb HDD , so when its being mounted to be read only ? (on kubuntu 8.10 kde4.2)
[22:38] <PhilRod> heinkel_111: korganizer will do alarms
[22:38] <heinkel_111> mefisto__: yes, then I read about kcron which supposedly should be installed but "kcron" in terminal and "which kcron" gives me nothing
[22:39] <mefisto__> heinkel_111: is it installed? it wasn't here
[22:39] <heinkel_111> PhilRod I tried it once before but it wouldnt play my soundfiles for some reason... will check once more
[22:40] <Heliodor> Is it just me or do ubuntu scale really bad?
[22:41] <guraltsev> hello, I was wondering if it is possible to do this thing, but I have found any help by browsing the internet. I have installed lots of program over the time on my kubuntu system but the problem is that when I installed only chose the relative package, but I didn;t think that often the documentation is provided separately in a package called something like   xyz-doc if the program is called xyz. I often use my computer without access to the
[22:41] <guraltsev> internet so it would be nice to have all the documentation in an offline form at hand always (like for tools like grub etc, that didn't have their default documentation with them). Is there any way to tell apt-get or synapticor whatever else to download all the documentation for the already installed programs
[22:41] <heinkel_111> mefisto__: I wonder if the package was broken because sudo apt-get install kcron yields "already newest version" but kcron after that yields "command not found", and which kcron yields nothing
[22:41] <heinkel_111> this problem found on 2 computers, workstation and laptop
[22:42] <sebastian> l
[22:42] <BrianH> guraltsev, no
[22:42] <mefisto__> heinkel_111: yeah I just installed it and same here, command not found
[22:43] <sebastian> hola, donde encuentro un canal de habla español?¿
[22:43] <guraltsev> sebastian: @kubuntu-es
[22:44] <guraltsev> sebastian: I meant #kubuntu-es
[22:44] <sebastian> ok gracias
[22:47] <jals> when i insert an audio cd kubuntu alert my somehow?
[22:47] <jals> the device notifier doesn't react
[22:48] <wallabee> Can anyone tell me why i none of my installed splash screens appear in the manager window .. they all show installed (and give the option to uninstall) .. but never appear in the manager window .. just Default, None, Simple, SimpleSmall (which are there by default)
[22:49] <guraltsev> ok, then. I have another question: I would like my windows partition (ntfs) to be mounted automatically once the pc is booted and read access should be granted to all users without asking for a admin password as it does now. I would know how to do this editing fstab, but with the media:/ protocol and the various HAL stuf present in today's linuxes, should I do it that way or is there a better one?
[22:49] <wallabee> So in short i can't select any of the installed splash screens to actually be used.. could this be a permissions problem?
[22:50] <jals> guraltsev, it should already be as you say, at least my windows ntfs partition is mounted and accessible automatically
[22:51] <ThomasD> guraltsev: don't worry, just edit fstab ;-)
[22:51] <guraltsev> thanks
[22:51] <ThomasD> !ntfs
[22:52] <ThomasD> !ntfs-3g
[22:53] <wallabee> any ideas/ advice appreciated..
[22:53] <ThomasD> guraltsev: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G thats the one you want
[22:54] <Bsims> Where do I go to set my printer in kde 4.2
[22:54] <Bsims> It appears to not be listening to cups setting
[22:57] <SuspectZero> hey there
[22:57] <SuspectZero> quick question
[22:57] <jordo2323> What packages do you install to get flash working in Konqueror 4.200?
[22:57] <SuspectZero> when an operating system is *buntu based, it can add and remove programs as easily as you can in kubuntu right?
[22:57] <mefisto__> heinkel_111: have you tried kalarm?
[22:57] <tmckay> SuspectZero: yes
[22:58] <SuspectZero> !flash
[22:58] <SuspectZero> ~ jordo2323 ~ see above ^^
[22:58] <heinkel_111> mefisto__: yes, strangely it failed to trigger alarm
[22:58] <Bsims> Where do I go to set my printer in kde 4.2 I don't have a printer dialog in system settings
[22:58] <SuspectZero> ~ tmckay ~ thank you
[22:58] <heinkel_111> mefisto__: I have a solution now
[22:58] <heinkel_111> it will work for tomorrow
[22:59] <heinkel_111> sleep 4h; amarok /home/thomas/musikk/soaring_30012009.flac
[22:59] <tmckay> SuspectZero: *buntu distros are all Debian based so they use apt for package management
[22:59] <heinkel_111> mefisto ^
[22:59] <heinkel_111> mefisto__: I forgot to add that it is midnight here now
[23:06] <skylite> witam wszystkich :)
[23:20] <evenstar> How do I set ntfs-3g partitions to mount on boot intead of automount?
[23:20] <evenstar> I can't get any changes to /etc/fstab to not revert.
[23:24] <evenstar> 8.10 Intrepid won't let me make changes to fstab, is there a tool to make it not revert?
[23:46] <kaddi> is it wise to automount a ntfs-partition if the partition is also used with windows?
[23:46] <kaddi> what is the worse that could happen if I forced the mounting of an ntfs-partition which is still mounted in windows
[23:47] <kaddi> (for example if windows crashed and I reboot into ubuntu)
[23:53] <jals> so guys, basically i can't seem to rip at all in kubuntu
[23:53] <jals> Grip, k3b, nothing is working
[23:53] <jals> actually i installed something called Ripoff which started to rip but very slowly
[23:54] <mefisto__> kaddi: still mounted in windows?
[23:54] <jals> think i'll go install cdex in windows to see if that works
[23:55] <kaddi> yes
[23:55] <mefisto__> kaddi: you mean windows is running now, and you want to mount it?
[23:56] <kaddi> just hypothetically speaking.. i had a case were my windwos kept crashing (and therefore didn't unmount the partition) and i needed to access the information on that partition
[23:56] <kaddi> but didn't dare to force the mount... so now I just know what to expect if I did do that
[23:57] <mefisto__> kaddi: I see. well you should get windows to check it, but you can probably mount it readonly quite safely
[23:58] <mefisto__> kaddi: usually if there are errors, ntfs-3g will automatically mount it ro, until you fix it in windows
[23:58] <kaddi> windows was crashing because of bad RAM... the drive is just fine :)
[23:59] <kaddi> i was simply afraid, that forcing the mount would lock the files on the ntfs-partition to some user I don't have access to
[23:59] <kaddi> another, similar, case would be if I put windows into hibernation and then bootet into linux: the partitions are mounted to windows and i'd need to force the mount on ubunut
[23:59] <kaddi> u