[01:05] <Nwallins1> Hi, my top and bottom panels seem a bit messed up.  I am on 8.10/ppc.  When I try to add to top panel, it doesn't show up until I log in again.  my clock gets stuck, and my workspaces on the bottom panel don't always show up
[01:05] <Nwallins1> also, running apps don't always show up on the bottom panel
[01:05] <Nwallins1>  i checked panel settings, they seem fine.  I was running for a while with Gnome services off, to try to save memory.  I noticed the panel issues, turned Gnome svcs back on.  no dice.  I have rebooted, etc. several times
[01:06] <Nwallins1> what's the next thing to try, for troubleshooting or a workaround?
[01:10] <Nwallins1> ah, I just killed compiz, and panel behavior is back, with xfwm4
[01:17] <IntrepidJoseph> hey all
[01:19] <IntrepidJoseph> can anyone help me with a networking issue?
[01:53] <genii> Apparently not
[02:13] <Bumphead> lol
[02:25] <rocko> hello
[02:52] <xubuntu> hi all
[02:52] <xubuntu> I have a question about the updates on xubuntu live USB
[02:52] <charlie-tca> go ahead, xubuntu
[02:53] <xubuntu> when I want to update it will download the packages and after there is a space disk issue
[02:53] <DeeDotDee> Would it be possible to take the CD image and burn it to a DVD correctly? Or should I just bunker up and download a huge DVD ISO ?
[02:54] <xubuntu> so I think it's just a problem of configuration and xubuntu is using a temp space (RAM fs or else) ?
[02:55] <xubuntu> if you have an idea ?
[02:55] <charlie-tca> xubuntu: What system are you using (hardware)
[02:55] <charlie-tca> It sounds like the hard drive is small
[02:55] <xubuntu> I have a 8GB usb key and after the hardware is my laptop
[02:56] <charlie-tca> DeeDotDee: are you talking just to burn the iso to a DVD instead of a CD?
[02:56] <DeeDotDee> charlie-tca: That's correct.  But making it able to boot, etc
[02:56] <charlie-tca> xubuntu: did you partition the disk?
[02:57] <xubuntu> no there is only one FAT32 partition of about 7.6 7.8GB
[02:57] <charlie-tca> DeeDotDee: sur it's possible. If it is the desktop cd iso, it should work the same if you burn it to dvd or cd
[02:57] <DeeDotDee> charlie-tca: I tried in Nero, and it told me to give it a CD-R
[02:57] <xubuntu> but it's a live USB system so I think it creates a RAM fs and use it for download and install
[02:58] <charlie-tca> Nero is not that smart. It saw a cd iso image and intends to burn it to a cd-r only. Do you have an installation of ubuntu or xubuntu?
[02:58] <DeeDotDee> charlie-tca: X
[02:59] <charlie-tca> xubuntu: you seem to be running out of space. Perhaps clearing the tmp files or using apt-get --clean to remove installed files will help.
[02:59] <DeeDotDee> Well actually I do not have anything installed
[02:59] <DeeDotDee> (linux wise)
[02:59] <charlie-tca> No guarantees, I am not that familiar with it.
[02:59] <DeeDotDee> As I am obviously downloading an install CD
[03:00] <charlie-tca> DeeDotDee: Windows, right?
[03:00] <DeeDotDee> Yes
[03:01] <xubuntu> you know there is the little icon which says update manager... when I click on it I have 240MB to download but it seems that it stops after a moment because of space
[03:01] <xubuntu> so I think the best way should be to tell it where it should download the files (My USB key)
[03:02] <charlie-tca> You are running out of disk space.
[03:02] <xubuntu> yes I know but I have my USB key which can have 7GB so I think it's a lot just for updates
[03:02] <charlie-tca> DeeDotDee: Is there anything here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[03:03] <charlie-tca> that might let you burn that to the dvd?
[03:03] <charlie-tca> xubuntu: why not just install them one or two at a time then?
[03:04] <charlie-tca> You can uncheck them in update manager and just check a few at a time.
[03:04] <xubuntu> yes I was thinking about it but I was looking for a better solution like modifying a config file or something like this
[03:04] <DeeDotDee> I'll try installing "Infra Recorder"
[03:04] <DeeDotDee> and using it
[03:05] <charlie-tca> Good luck with it.
[03:05] <xubuntu> because if have well understood the system is loading like a live and install a copy of the running system at the end of my session in order to save the configuration
[03:06] <xubuntu> so I think the one update by one update should work
[03:06] <xubuntu> but it would be more powerful to apply all the update at a time
[03:07] <charlie-tca> Not neccessarily. It just makes it easier to apply them all at once.
[03:07] <charlie-tca> End result is a fully up to date installation.
[03:07] <xubuntu> yes ;-)
[03:08] <xubuntu> ok so I will go that way :-)
[03:08] <pkodon> Hello everyone. Is there a way to get the panel at the bottom of the screen in XFCE to actually auto-hide? I've tried setting it to auto-hide several times, and it never seems to consistantly want to hide. If I run some things in Wine, the bottom of the window is then covered by the panel, and the mouse goes behind the panel in the Wine "screen"; so I can't see what's at the bottom of the Wine window, and I can't click on anything in the bar.
[03:09] <xubuntu> thank you for your conversation bye
[03:09] <xubuntu> see you
[03:09] <charlie-tca> np, see you later
[03:10] <charlie-tca> pkodon: mine auto-hides, but certain applications will get down to the bottom of the screen, and it can not pop up in front of them.
[03:11] <charlie-tca> Then I have to switch desktops to see it.
[03:11] <pkodon> No, that's not the problem here. I turn on auto-hide, and can even go to a different desktop and click on the desktop and it's still open.
[03:12] <charlie-tca> are you running compiz?
[03:13] <pkodon> I don't think so, I don't think Compiz likes my hardware.
[03:14] <charlie-tca> Might be a bug, then. I haven't heard of it before, but haven't tried hiding the panels except in Jaunty
[03:14] <pkodon> Oh, well, this is PC/OS, which is based off of Xubuntu Hardy.
[03:15] <charlie-tca> Maybe they changed something. It might be worth checking with them on it.
[03:16] <pkodon> I seem to remember having the same problem with straight Xubuntu 8.0, though. The only time I didn't have some problems with panels was in KDE.
[03:16] <pkodon> And I tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu.
[03:18] <pkodon> I settled on PC/OS because I didn't have to go hunting for software to install so I could watch the movies I already had on my hard drive (and play music and other stuff I have).
[03:18] <charlie-tca> I see. I'll try to check out hardy when I get time, then.
[03:21] <pkodon> Okay, I'll keep looking for answers. I'm kind of new to Linux. I don't want to use Windows for more than playing games, and if I can get the games to work in Linux I'll use that.
[03:21] <charlie-tca> Good luck :-)
[03:22] <pkodon> charlie-tca: Thanks, it's a bit of a learning curve, but I'm getting there. Not ready to install anything that has to be compiled, yet, but I'm sure that will come with time.
[03:23] <pkodon> I do like the idea of being able to fix stuff that doesn't work right, or at least find someone else who can and has an interest in doing so. Microsoft seems to only fix stuff if millions of people complain.
[03:24] <pkodon> And I've seen them steal from their users too many times.
[03:24] <charlie-tca> I don't compile myself. I had to a couple of years ago, but I am a user, not a programmer.
[03:24] <charlie-tca> To me it was difficult
[03:25] <pkodon> Yeah, I waited this long because in the past it seemed everyone I met who had Linux was talking about how they had just compiled the latest version of their OS.
[03:25] <charlie-tca> I enjoy using xubuntu. It is a fine product that fills my needs nicely
[03:25] <pkodon> I couldn't see recompiling everything every couple weeks/months.
[03:26] <charlie-tca> I stumbled across Ubuntu 5.04, and have not looked back.
[03:27] <charlie-tca> When it got to hard to load on my old system, I moved to Xubuntu.
[03:27] <pkodon> I like the reduced memory requirements of Xubuntu, but I like the KDE interface and tools better.
[03:27] <charlie-tca> Never used KDE
[03:28] <DeeDotDee> charlie-tca: do you think xubuntu 8.10 would work better than XP on my old P2 450 MHz, 320 MBs of PC100 SDRAM, 10 GB HD?
[03:28] <DeeDotDee> VooDoo3 3DFX
[03:28] <DeeDotDee> 8MB
[03:29] <pkodon> I tried to combine a bunch of different distros based off of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, and ended up with a FrankenLinux that wouldn't update or even uninstall 300+ packages.
[03:29] <pkodon> I had wanted to switch between interfaces and see which one I liked best, but I decided that was a bad move.
[03:30] <pkodon> As for your machine, I would say XP won't leave you much room for programs, and the P2 is probably a little dated for XP. I wouldn't even try Vista.
[03:31] <DeeDotDee> I'm not paying to upgrade to Vista even on this computer
[03:31] <pkodon> But then, if you want to do a recommended install for Xubuntu, you're probably going to want to at least upgrade your HD to a 20G. I have three partitions set up as such:
[03:32] <DeeDotDee> I told dell to give me XP or I will find another company.
[03:32] <DeeDotDee> Which I should have done anyway
[03:34] <pkodon> 10GB for /root , 2GB for a SWAP partition, and 26GB for /home
[03:34] <MaxHavoc> So, I just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.27-7 to 2.6.27-11 and I'm wondering, is there a way to automatically remove the previous kernel and get it out of the grub boot menu?
[03:34] <pkodon> I think Ubuntu recommends at least 8GB for /root.
[03:36] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: Hmm. I'm new to Linux, but, seems to me there was something in the Settings Manager about startup management.
[03:37] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: Otherwise, you may have to look through files in /etc to find the one that is used to configure grub.
[03:37] <MaxHavoc> pkodon, There is, but it doesn't change the grub boot menu. In any event I know how to do it by hand, I was wondering if there was an automated way to remove previous kernels and any references to them
[03:38] <MaxHavoc> pkodon, The grub file is /boot/grub/menu.1st, just FYI
[03:38] <MaxHavoc> menu.lst rather
[03:39] <charlie-tca> DeeDotDee: I think I would call it a toss up. It's hard to say if xubuntu or XP would be better
[03:39] <DeeDotDee> yeah, it's all gonna go slow as crap
[03:40] <DeeDotDee> I can't stand to use the machine anymore
[03:40] <charlie-tca> Well, mine does.
[03:40] <DeeDotDee> yet.. It works
[03:40] <DeeDotDee> so why should I abandon it just cause it's slow?
[03:40] <charlie-tca> Leave out openoffice, and change to epiphany seems to help in xubuntu
[03:40] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: Okay, thanks for that bit of info. As for some other location to auto-manage it, I don't know of any. There may also be something in the command-line commands in a root shell or using sudo in a shell that will allow you to remove stuff you're not using any more and clean up references.
[03:40] <MaxHavoc> DeeDotDee, Not sure what issue you're having, but XP can run fast as hell if you tweak it right
[03:41] <charlie-tca> MaxHavoc: no automatic programs that I know of.
[03:41] <MaxHavoc> charlie-tca, So how do you delete old kernels?
[03:41] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: He's got an older computer, really older, with a 10GB HD and a P2/450.
[03:41] <DeeDotDee> MaxHavoc: even on this computer it takes XP about 1m and 30 seconds to start up
[03:42] <DeeDotDee> after 3 months of being installed
[03:42] <charlie-tca> I don't. They don't take enough disk space to worry about. I change menu.lst to only show a couple, though.
[03:42] <MaxHavoc> pkodon, I've run XP on systems like that before, use msconfig to control what happens on startup, disable unnecessary services, turn off all graphics options, use classic theme and start menu, it will run pretty quick
[03:43] <DeeDotDee> MaxHavoc: what was that dude? Blackviper?
[03:43] <charlie-tca> DeeDotDee: It might be better with jaunty. It starts much faster than intrepid, even. Of course, it is in alpha now.
[03:43] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: But, is 10GB enough space to install it on and have something left to install apps?
[03:43] <MaxHavoc> XP is 2 gigs installed
[03:43] <MaxHavoc> So yeah
[03:43] <DeeDotDee> pkodon: It has about 5 GBs left
[03:44] <MaxHavoc> I might suggest running it with no service packs even though it's a security nightmare that way, the service packs add size and reduce speed
[03:44] <pkodon> Okay, I guess that's promising. You can also get smaller Linux distros with even faster/leaner UI's than Xubuntu (I'd have to look up the one I installed for a while).
[03:44] <MaxHavoc> Or you know...spend like $300 on Craigslist for a new PC :)
[03:45] <DeeDotDee> I just bought this one
[03:45] <DeeDotDee> Why would I want to upgrade my old one?
[03:45] <DeeDotDee> lol
[03:45] <MaxHavoc> You just bought a P2 450? Dear god why?
[03:45] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: Is Craigslist one of the cheaper places to get new hardware?
[03:45] <DeeDotDee> LOL
[03:45] <DeeDotDee> no
[03:45] <MaxHavoc> pkodon, New? Like brand new? No, Newegg is the best, but you can get used PCs for cheap
[03:46] <MaxHavoc> Hell if you're in the washington DC area I'll sell you mine :)
[03:46] <DeeDotDee> P4 Dual Core 1.8GHz, 500 GB internal (462 really)
[03:46] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: Ahh. Well, I've seen ads for both.
[03:46] <DeeDotDee> is what I just bought
[03:46] <MaxHavoc> Ok, so what's with the PII-450?
[03:47] <DeeDotDee> MaxHavoc: Why should I obandon it just cause it's slow?
[03:47] <DeeDotDee> It still works
[03:47] <pkodon> If you ask me, the PII-450 would make a great Win98SE machine for playing older games.
[03:47] <DeeDotDee> Been working 10 yeras
[03:48] <MaxHavoc> How much RAM on it?
[03:48] <DeeDotDee> 320
[03:48] <pkodon> I've got a PIII-500 I use for Win98SE and play old Windows and DOS games on (using DosBox so I don't have to boot into 98's broken DOS).
[03:49] <MaxHavoc> I was just playing arkanoid 2 using dosbox
[03:49] <DeeDotDee> It came with 98SE, but isn't support for it screwed
[03:49] <MaxHavoc> On my quad core ;p
[03:49] <charlie-tca> Support for 98 ended before XP, didn't it?
[03:49] <DeeDotDee> XP is still supported till April
[03:50] <MaxHavoc> MS mainstream support is 5 years, extended is 10
[03:50] <pkodon> DeeDotDee: Yeah, but I've never found Microsoft support to be very good, even when it was being supported.
[03:50] <MaxHavoc> XP keeps getting extra support because Vista sucks
[03:50] <MaxHavoc> Support also means patches and other updates
[03:51] <pkodon> I figgure, if I'm not using it on the internet (I'm using Linux for that), and I'm just using it to run games, I shouldn't need updates beyond what I've already got (a CD-full).
[03:51] <MaxHavoc> Yeah
[03:51] <MaxHavoc> I'm just saying though that you can use a modern PC and still play old games on it
[03:52] <DeeDotDee> When is XP's security updates going to die ?
[03:52] <DeeDotDee> not just the mainstream support
[03:52] <MaxHavoc> 2011
[03:52] <MaxHavoc> 10 years from release
[03:52] <DeeDotDee> Hopefully x/Ubuntu will be good enough for stupid mothers and kids to use by then
[03:52] <MaxHavoc> Aye
[03:52] <DeeDotDee> So I can conver their computers too
[03:52] <DeeDotDee> convert
[03:52] <pkodon> MaxHavoc: Well, I will say this, XP with DosBox seems to run any DOS/Windows game I've tried (on a friend's laptop). I don't have XP myself.
[03:53] <DeeDotDee> Aint no way in hell I'm paying for Windows
[03:53] <MaxHavoc> I get legal copies of Windows from my works' MSDN subscription
[03:53] <pkodon> As I understand it, the support for "legacy" software in Vista is not so good.
[03:53] <MaxHavoc> pkodon, Yeah, that's true
[03:54] <MaxHavoc> Better than it should be, Vista was supposed to totally off backwards compatability
[03:54] <MaxHavoc> It could have been a great OS if it had done that
[03:54] <pkodon> What I don't like about XP is the fact that, after a while, if you've got problems that mean reinstalling XP (like you keep tweaking it till you break it), eventually you come to the point where you have to reinstall every month (or it will quit working), or call Microsoft for a new key.
[03:55] <MaxHavoc> Create an unattended install and use a reg file to do all your tweaks
[03:55] <MaxHavoc> That's what I do
[03:55] <MaxHavoc> I can install a fully tweaked XP in less than 30 minutes all without pressing a button
[03:56] <pkodon> Well, I don't usually do many tweaks, just get rid of all the junk I don't want installed that it insists on installing anyway.
[03:56] <MaxHavoc> You can preemptively remove all that with an unattended install
[03:56] <MaxHavoc> Well, most of it anyway
[03:56] <MaxHavoc> Windows will never be as customizable as Linux obviously
[03:56] <pkodon> But my buddy Joe, on the other hand, was always getting tweak managers and playing with settings and breaking it.
[03:57] <MaxHavoc> Yeah, well now you can break XP in a VM until you know what you're doing :)
[03:57] <MaxHavoc> But yeah, back in the day when I was learning XP I reformatted like every week
[03:59] <MaxHavoc> Anyway, I'm off, good night everyone
[04:00] <pkodon> What I don't understand with Linux is Wine. I download a few "portable" aps/games massaged to install on USB sticks, and run on any computer, and they will run fine. Anything with an installer, though, won't install. If I try to read C:\ from Wine's menu, I'm told C:\ isn't valid, and this even after doing an auto-detect in the Configure Wine utility.
[04:02] <pkodon> DeeDotDee: Heh, I sympathize entirely, I won't buy Vista, at any rate, even if they offer it for $1.00. XP? Well, I might consider buying a copy of that in the bargain bin at the local dollar store.
[04:04] <pkodon> DeeDotDee: But, I really don't like Microsoft's "need" to be in control of it's users, it's habit of stealing from it's users, and it's habit of modifying standards with unsafe "extras" so people can build websites and aps that won't work on anything but an IE-equipped OS.
[04:05] <pkodon> Anyway, I guess I'm going to head off and see what other trouble I can get into.
[04:07] <DeeDotDee> I think I'm already there on linux  pkodon, just not quite.  I run Pidgin, FireFox, crontabs on cygwin, wget on cygwin, Google Earth
[04:07] <DeeDotDee> mkay
[04:09] <DeeDotDee> My IDSoftware games seem to be able to be installed nativly also
[04:09] <DeeDotDee> not that they haven't ran on WINE
[05:43] <Guest75893> hello,  my 3G modem runs faster on windows than xubuntu on the same computer.  how can I check the settings on xubuntu.  i am on 3 network in australia.  i am currently using the modem to connect now but it is slooow on the net.
[06:24] <domenic> hey
[06:26] <domenic> i did it but now what?
[06:26] <domenic> il try restarting?
[06:26] <domenic> i made  a scipt for that :)
[09:12] <atgarsis> hello
[09:12] <atgarsis> anyone can recommend any software for xubuntu which creates web albums?
[09:17] <ablomen> atgarsis, you can install picasa
[09:18] <ablomen> i think that you can directly export it to a picasa web album with that
[09:18] <Myrtti> ablomen: but that isn't what he asked...
[09:19] <atgarsis> i don't need it to export to picasa web album. i have got a seperate website, where i need to make web albums.
[09:19] <ablomen> ah no sorry misread that
[09:19] <atgarsis> anyone knows any non-picasa web album creator?
[09:19] <Myrtti> atgarsis: for example gthumb does webalbums, but I'm sure there is apps that can do it without being closely tied with gnome
[09:20] <atgarsis> alright, will try gthumb.
[09:20] <Myrtti> and with less bloat
[09:21] <Myrtti> !info album
[09:21] <Myrtti> !info albumshaper
[09:22] <Myrtti> !info gthumb
[09:22] <Myrtti> or, then again not.
[09:22] <Myrtti> :-P
[09:22] <ablomen> atgarsis, if you want to put a lot of pictures online though you might want to look at something like gallery2 and the likes (a webapp like wordpress etc, but for online galleries) this should make managing a lot of pictures and descriptions easyer (with things like build in support for multiple albums etc)
[09:23] <atgarsis> thank you!
[11:52] <lulemurfan> every single time i login Xfce keeps asking which sesion do i wanrt to use - is there anyway of stopping this happening?
[11:55] <lulemurfan> any help please?
[11:57] <lulemurfan> is anyone there?
[11:59] <lulemurfan> Please someone help me?
[12:00] <lulemurfan> hello
[12:04] <lulemurfan> please help me
[12:05] <Myrtti> you could choose a default session in the login configuration
[12:05] <Myrtti> or atleast check it's there
[12:06] <lulemurfan> wheres the login configuration?
[12:06] <Myrtti> Applications - Settings - Login Window
[12:07] <lulemurfan> i've done that, but when i log it asks me which Xfce session would i like and theres only one opition (defaul)
[12:13] <lulemurfan> this is hopeless, what the point of have IRC if no ones going to help you
[12:14] <lulemurfan> hellio is anyone here or not
[12:15] <Myrtti> erhm. so I guess I'm not here either then.
[12:17] <lulemurfan> can you help me with my Xfce problem?
[12:30] <slow-motion> hi
[12:49]  * jarnos wonders why over 200MB swap is used even if no applications are running and plenty of RAM is available.
[13:05] <lulemurfan> When my laptop boots up it get to the stage saying 'Press 'ESC' to enter the menu.. 2' At this point it stops, the only way to boot is pressing 'ESC' and enter. Is there a way of stopping this?
[15:23] <Benny_> hello
[15:23] <Benny_> how can i restore the grub = reinstall it from livecd? it's because i reinstalled windows
[15:30] <David-A> Benny_: the command "grub-install" from a live cd
[15:30] <nikolam> Hi. anyone have some external USB TV tuner to recommend? (supporting digital tv to air)
[15:31] <CarlFK> nikolam: ask in #v4l
[15:31] <David-A> Benny_: see "man grub-install" or tell me to explain
[15:32] <charlie-tca> David-A: He went away
[15:32] <CarlFK> http://xubuntu.org doesn't say anything about 'older hardware' - is that still a goal?
[15:32] <charlie-tca> CarlFK: yes it is.
[15:33] <charlie-tca> But, older may be slower
[15:34] <nikolam> CarlFK, thanks man :)
[15:34] <CarlFK> charlie-tca: yeah - wanted to recormend it to a friend, and wanted to qoute the 'older' thing, but can't find a mention of it now
[15:34] <CarlFK> what window manager does x-u use?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[15:34] <knome> x-u? xubuntu? xfce.
[15:35] <CarlFK> thats what I was looking for - thanks
[15:36] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:37] <Odd-rationale> the window manager in xubuntu is xfwm4, a component of xfce
[16:33] <jackfeck> hello just installed x on old thinkpad t22.  went reasonably well.  really liked x because i only have 375 meg of ram. just want to give a shout to x people
[16:33] <charlie-tca> jackfeck: Thanks for letting us know
[16:36] <jackfeck> I could really use a good site for booting from floppy into usb stick.  the cd rom on the laptop is almost dead.  i've read all i could find about doing this but the floppy boot images i've found don't give the option to choose usb.  suggestions?  too weird?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> valid, but I don't have any. Ask vinnl when he is around
[16:38] <jackfeck> ok tx
[16:49] <jackfeck> where's the best place to offer help in the overall x project?  I'm semi technical with corp experience ( sorry for noob questionz )
[16:49] <Odd-rationale> here is a good place to start..
[16:50] <jackfeck> ok good
[16:50] <jackfeck> can i give a short cv so you can pigeon hole me?
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> cv?
[16:53] <ablomen> Odd-rationale, curriculum vitae
[16:53] <jackfeck> resume?  or just hang out and wait for questions that i might answer?   I'm thinking i might be able to help on some of the organization of the project although i'll try my hand at some machine code ?!?!?
[16:53] <Ben_Cs> hello
[16:54] <Odd-rationale> jackfeck: this page gives you some idea on how to get involved: http://xubuntu.org/contribute
[16:54] <Ben_Cs> how do i add a drive to be mounted automatically each time i reboot
[16:54] <Odd-rationale> Ben_Cs: you would have to add an entry to your /etc/fstab file
[16:54] <Odd-rationale> !fstab | Ben_Cs
[16:54] <Ben_Cs> Odd-rationale: thanks
[16:55] <Odd-rationale> np
[17:04] <Ben_Cs> Odd-rationale: if /dev/sda7 is ext3 then am i correct:   /dev/sda7 /media/mydrive2 auto defaults 0 0           ?
[17:08] <Odd-rationale> Ben_Cs: you probably need to specify the filesystem type: ext3
[17:09] <Ben_Cs> Odd-rationale: isn't it detected automatically?
[17:09] <Odd-rationale> Ben_Cs: i beleive it needs to be specified. if not, it won't hury, :)
[17:09] <Odd-rationale> *hurt
[17:10] <Odd-rationale> also, /media/mydrive2 should exist.
[17:11] <Ben_Cs> Odd-rationale: ok. is did create /media/mydrive2
[17:11] <Ben_Cs> Odd-rationale: thanks again
[17:20] <lulemurfan> is it possible to change my screen resolution without using the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorf. when surfing the net it's diffucult
[17:24] <lulemurfan> any help please?
[17:27] <jackfeck> see if package manager has anything specific for your video chip
[17:27] <charlie-tca> lulemurfan: difficult as in?
[17:27] <jackfeck> i had this problem with my geforce4
[17:28] <lulemurfan> its difficult because you can only see the top left hand corner
[17:29] <jackfeck> so the desktop is over sized and the bottom right is off the screen?
[17:29] <lulemurfan> no i find the diffiuclties on firefox
[17:30] <jackfeck> resize the firefox window?
[17:30] <lulemurfan> no it's running max
[17:31] <jackfeck> then your card is over drawing the screen image, or part of your display is inoperative
[17:32] <jarnos> lulemurfan: what resolution you are using (xrandr)?
[17:32] <lulemurfan> isn't that to do with the screen resolution
[17:33] <lulemurfan> wait i'll check
[17:33] <lulemurfan> i'm using 800x600 and thats the highest i've got
[17:35] <jarnos> lulemurfan: do you get any error messages in startup?
[17:36] <jarnos> lulemurfan: is it an old CRT monitor?
[17:36] <lulemurfan> no it's an old laptop
[17:37] <jarnos> lulemurfan: what is its native resolution?
[17:37] <lulemurfan> i don't understand?
[17:38] <osde8info> number of actually physical pixels on your notebook screen
[17:38] <lulemurfan> how do i find that out?
[17:38] <jarnos> lulemurfan: display of a laptop has a native resolution that is highest resolution that the display is capable of.
[17:39] <lulemurfan> how do i find that out?
[17:39] <jarnos> lulemurfan: good question. If xrandr shows it right, it is 800x600.
[17:40] <lulemurfan> what do i need to do?
[17:40] <jarnos> lulemurfan: what is the first line of xrandr output?
[17:40] <lulemurfan> what commard do i type in the terminal
[17:41] <jarnos> lulemurfan: xrandr
[17:42] <lulemurfan> any sudo?
[17:42] <jarnos> no
[17:42] <jackfeck> this is great i need this too, no sudo
[17:43] <lulemurfan> oh it says max 800x600
[17:43] <lulemurfan> does that mean it is the max
[17:44] <jackfeck> that would be the max
[17:44] <Tabb-e> <-- linux newb here could do with some advice
[17:44] <lulemurfan> nooo, what other web browser would you recomend then?
[17:45] <knome> !ask | Tabb-e
[17:45] <Tabb-e> ok :)
[17:45] <knome> lulemurfan, midori is a relly lightweight, but it is at it's alpha stage. however, it's usable.
[17:45] <lulemurfan> anything else|
[17:45] <knome> lulemurfan, then there is epiphany, which is heavier, but still lighter than firefox.
[17:46] <jackfeck> what no IE port to xubu?  : )
[17:46] <Tabb-e> I've just tried xubuntu live on an Athlon 2.4, 1G ram, 30+400G HDDs, but it cant see any of the HDDS. Any clues what to do would help. ty
[17:46] <knome> jackfeck, you can run IE with wine.
[17:46] <lulemurfan> i'll ry that, thanks for your help!!!!
[17:46] <Tabb-e> oh - all HDDs are fat32
[17:46] <knome> Tabb-e, maybe in /media/disk* ?
[17:47] <jackfeck> ﻿knome: oooooo scary, i wouldn't waste the time thinking about it !
[17:47] <Tabb-e> right.... i better rechkeck that then :)
[17:47] <Tabb-e> gonna boot it now
[17:47]  * jarnos needs an entry level tutorial about building a local network.
[17:47] <jackfeck> ﻿***jarnos:  me too
[17:47] <knome> jackfeck, it's not actually so hard.. ;)
[17:48] <jackfeck> ﻿knome:  oh probably not, i run wikitaxi in wine, it's great
[17:49] <charlie-tca> jarnos, jackfeck : Try searching on network here - https://help.ubuntu.com/
[17:50] <charlie-tca> or networking
[17:51] <Tabb-e> ok... the /media folder is empty :(
[17:51] <knome> jackfeck, i heard you want to help out developing xubuntu.
[17:51] <knome> jackfeck, maybe you want to join us at #xubuntu-devel and say hello
[17:52] <jackfeck> ok i read about that on the contribute page, sorry newb here can i run two chats at same time ?
[17:52] <knome> jackfeck, sure. /join #xubuntu-devel
[17:53] <Tabb-e> it sees the stuff in an external usb drive no prob
[17:55] <jackfeck> ﻿/join #xubuntu-devel
[17:56] <jackfeck> d'oh i hate being an idiot,
[17:56]  * charlie-tca nods
[17:57] <Tabb-e> well, i am one
[17:57] <Tabb-e> i cant see my internal fat32 hdds and hahve no real idea what to do bout it
[17:58] <charlie-tca> you have to mount them. Are they Windows or just data?
[17:58] <Tabb-e> ah, ty. ones's win98, ones user data
[17:58] <Tabb-e> so how do i mout em?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> create a directory somewhere for it first, I use /mnt
[17:59] <Tabb-e> ok
[17:59] <Tabb-e> am in /mnt
[18:00] <charlie-tca> then in a terminal type sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/DRIVE /mnt/DIRECTORY_YOU_MADE
[18:00] <Tabb-e> cool, ty
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Then, you should be able to see them in that directory
[18:01] <Tabb-e> XL ant, will do....
[18:01] <Tabb-e> ty
[18:02] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[18:09] <Tabb-ee> back
[18:09] <charlie-tca> did it work?
[18:10] <Tabb-ee> it says special device /dev/hdd0 does not exist :(
[18:10] <Tabb-ee> same for hdd1
[18:10] <Tabb-ee> the hdds work fine under w98
[18:10] <charlie-tca> They might not be hdd. Did you look in /dev/disks for them?
[18:10] <Tabb-ee> and an external usb fat32 works fine under xubuntu
[18:10] <Tabb-ee> lemme go check
[18:11] <charlie-tca> /dev/disk
[18:13] <Tabb-ee> under /dev/disk/by-id there are a couple of maxtors listed, but... dbl clicking em just opens an 'open with' dialog
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Yeah, they won't open if they are not mounted. right-click, properties to see which id they are using
[18:16] <charlie-tca> look for Link Target
[18:16] <Tabb-ee> ok
[18:16] <Tabb-ee> link target ../../sdc
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Do have an sdc1 or ?? in use?
[18:17] <Tabb-ee> hang on
[18:17] <charlie-tca> If not, that is the drive instead of hdd
[18:18] <Tabb-ee> woah! sdc1 mounted :)
[18:18] <Tabb-ee> thats c: in winspeak
[18:18] <charlie-tca> hd? is old technology; sd? is new
[18:18] <Tabb-ee> eh?
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Isn't that what you wanted... :-)
[18:19] <Tabb-ee> but it balked at mounting sdc2 or 0
[18:19] <Tabb-ee> yes, its one of them :) ty
[18:19] <charlie-tca> We don't use hdd anymore, it is sdd or sdc instead
[18:19] <Tabb-ee> k
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Is it one hard drive or two? sdc1 is a partition on one hard drive. Try sdc0 if they are on the same drive.
[18:20] <Tabb-ee> 2 physical drives
[18:20] <Tabb-ee> how do i create folder called D to mount d: into?
[18:22] <Tabb-ee> 'create folder' is greyed out
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I use things like /mnt/windows-d
[18:22] <Tabb-ee> right
[18:22] <Tabb-ee> ahh gotya
[18:22] <knome> Tabb-ee, you need root thunar. alt+f2 -> gksudo thunar
[18:22] <charlie-tca> go into terminal and use sudo mkdir DIRECTORY_TO_MAKE
[18:23] <charlie-tca> or do it knome's way
[18:23] <Tabb-ee> ok ty
[18:23] <charlie-tca> two drives will be something like sdc1 and sdb1 or sdd1
[18:23] <Tabb-ee> oh! ok, will tr that
[18:24] <charlie-tca> the third letter is the drive. first drive is a, ...
[18:24] <Tabb-ee> yes, cheers
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Not like windows, though. c drive is not C:\
[18:25] <Tabb-ee> its not?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> not always. I have no windows at all but do have drive sdc
[18:25]  * Tabb-ee jokingly wonderswhy linux cant base its naming on the exemplary model of window$ ;)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> It is the third hard drive
[18:26] <Tabb-ee> right
[18:26] <Tabb-ee> i'll get there :)
[18:26]  * charlie-tca thanks God they don't
[18:26] <Tabb-ee> lol
[18:27] <Tabb-ee> im starving, gonna go eat a hdd then will try mouting the other 1. thanks :)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> It's actually easier when you get used to it. cd drive is cdrom0; floppy is fd0
[18:27] <charlie-tca> you are welcome. Good luck.
[18:27] <Tabb-ee> right
[18:27] <volo_> hi
[18:27] <Tabb-ee> ta :)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> hi volo_
[19:02] <Tabb-ee> is it possible to operate xubuntu properly with no mousie? ty
[19:03] <charlie-tca> You should be able to from the keyboard shortcuts, but it has been a while since I tried that.
[19:03] <Tabb-ee> ty
[19:04] <Tabb-ee> when i first booted xubunut live i tried every key and got pretty much zero response - I'll google
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Which cd is that?
[19:04] <Tabb-ee> xubuntu 8.04
[19:05] <Tabb-ee> i386
[19:05] <Tabb-ee> try it without installing anything option
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Okay, it will take a minute
[19:06] <Tabb-ee> ty
[19:06] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Tabb-ee: try hitting Ctrl+ESC for the menu
[19:09] <Tabb-ee> k ta
[19:09] <rocko> help
[19:09] <charlie-tca> !help | rocko
[19:09] <charlie-tca> !help
[19:10] <knome> !flood
[19:10] <rocko> !help
[19:10] <rocko> I know
[19:10] <rocko> pastebin
[19:10] <charlie-tca> rocko, you have to give us more to go on than help
[19:11] <rocko> you it people always know
[19:11] <rocko> you can read our minds
[19:11] <rocko> heheh
[19:11] <charlie-tca> my mistake!
[19:11] <rocko> jk
[19:12] <rocko> trying to make a debian package with checkinstall charlie-tca
[19:12] <rocko> here is the output I receive http://pastebin.ca/raw/1327318
[19:12] <knome> i knew he needed pastebin!
[19:12] <knome> ;P
[19:13]  * charlie-tca nods
[19:13] <rocko> well I have known about pastebin for a year or so far
[19:13] <Tabb-ee> oh... this looks good :)
[19:13] <knome> ;]
[19:13] <rocko> don't remember when
[19:13] <rocko> maybe 3 years about
[19:13] <rocko> *ago
[19:15] <charlie-tca> sorry, you lost me at make... , rocko
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I'm just a user like you, volunteering some time here
[19:16] <rocko> I see
[19:16] <rocko> I don't usually get problems like this
[19:17] <Tabb-ee> i got one hopeflea final q... and its an odd one. If i partition C: aka sdc, with win98 in one section and xubuntu in t' other, will win's gradual corrcuption of c: affect the linux partition as well?
[19:17] <charlie-tca> not if you partition the linux side with ext3
[19:17] <charlie-tca> partition = format
[19:17] <Tabb-ee> k cool
[19:18] <Tabb-ee> yes
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Win98 should not even see the ext3 partition
[19:18] <Tabb-ee> yep
[19:19] <Tabb-ee> i take it win will never corrupt the MBR then?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> No, I don't know about that. The MBR is separate
[19:20] <Tabb-ee> well, its gotta be beter than running 98 all the time
[19:21] <Tabb-ee> would be great if there were a xubuntu dvd packed full of apps...
[19:21] <Tabb-ee> since im a newb at this
[19:21] <Tabb-ee> gonna google for one
[19:24] <Tabb-ee> i assume xubuntu runs all ubuntu apps
[19:25] <charlie-tca> It should. Depending on your hardware, it can have problems, though
[19:25] <Tabb-ee> P4, 1G ram, so hopelfea no trouble there
[19:27] <Tabb-ee> ooh, dos emu :)
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Should work
[19:29] <Tabb-ee> yea
[19:29] <Tabb-ee> well, i like this... getting the newer pc to run under 98 has been a hedache
[19:31] <Tabb-ee> damn this mean finding a whole new load of apps to run tho :/
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Of course. Some will be the same, but I think most will change going to gnome
[19:32] <Tabb-ee> yeah :( :)
[19:32] <Tabb-ee> IOW yes i gotta find a load, but the result will be mreo stable
[19:33] <Tabb-ee> the idea of no hard crash in several days is alien!
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Just gotta get out of windows! ;)
[19:33] <jackfeck> makes for an interesting idea of having a recreate file that could be saved, so under a new image all the apps that you loaded before could auto load to recreate the entire app build
[19:33] <Tabb-ee> lol
[19:34] <Tabb-ee> that went a bit over my head :/
[19:34] <jackfeck> saves having to reinstall them by hand, maybe this exists already
[19:35] <Tabb-ee> oh... i like no-install portable apps
[19:35] <Tabb-ee> dunno how that works wi linux
[19:35] <David-A> jackfeck; there is "sudo dpkg --get-selections >file" and "sudo dpkg --set-selections <file"
[19:36] <jackfeck> sorry idea hamster at work here.  basically a file that you could copy to cd or usb so that in the event that you do a complete re install of the of the OS you could just load this file and it would get all the apps that you had
[19:36] <David-A> jackfeck: but not perfect if you upgrade as some packages changes
[19:36] <jackfeck> David-A: ok will check that out, does it work for junk obtained through package manger?
[19:37] <David-A> jackfeck: it does not differentiate packages explicitly selected or installed thru dependency
[19:38] <jackfeck> ﻿David-A: sounds exactly like the right thing !  thx  i'm often having to rebuild boxes from scratch
[19:39] <jackfeck> Tabb-ee :  sorry to highjack the thread, did you get everything from your end ?
[19:40] <Tabb-ee> looks like i got all the info i need to decide to install this thing properly
[19:40] <Tabb-ee> ty every1 :)
[19:40] <Tabb-ee> i look fwd to a system that stays working!
[19:40]  * Tabb-ee does the xubuntu dance!
[19:41] <knome> Tabb-ee, wow, do/can we have that on youtube?
[19:41] <jackfeck> Tabb-ee: could I interest you in a slightly used IBM system 370 ???
[19:41] <Tabb-ee> lol
[19:41] <Tabb-ee> lol @ 370
[19:41] <Tabb-ee> oh... i did see one id love
[19:41] <Tabb-ee> but no end of searching can refind the addy :(
[19:41] <jackfeck> those things can run for years without rebooting
[19:41] <Tabb-ee> it ws a coal fired power plant running a valve computer spanning a huge building
[19:42] <Tabb-ee> yeah... at what cpu speed tho?
[19:42] <jackfeck>  !!!!  ha ha ha love it !!!
[19:42] <Tabb-ee> praps i could run windows 2 on it
[19:42] <Tabb-ee> that site went into lots of detail about it, was damn funny
[19:42] <Tabb-ee> but google after google and i cant find it again :(
[19:42] <jackfeck> sounds like the work of some bright and funny people
[19:43] <Tabb-ee> yeah :)
[19:43] <Tabb-ee> i fear the page might be gone
[19:43] <Tabb-ee> had pics of most of it too
[19:43] <jackfeck> if you found the ad, I wonder if it lists that it comes complete with Sys-Op
[19:43] <knome> Tabb-ee, have you seen web.archive.org? :)
[19:44] <Tabb-ee> oh... no
[19:44] <Tabb-ee> willsearch it
[19:45] <knome> i'm not sure if you can search it by keywords, but the site stores contents of urls
[19:45] <charlie-tca> jackfeck: no hijacking here. Sometimes there will be 5-6 conversations going. Just have to remember to use the nick then.
[19:45] <Tabb-ee> no, im noticing knome :(
[19:45] <knome> Tabb-ee, ok..
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Testing Team members: alpha4 release candidate needs testing
[19:47] <charlie-tca> !daily
[19:50] <jackfeck> ﻿charlie-tca:  thx.  I want to be polite. :-D
[20:18] <ruben> Hello
[21:10] <SquireDanaher> Anyone have any experience with gnome-do in xubuntu?. I most of the plugins won't work. I am betting something "gnomeish" needs to be installed or turned on in the background. I just don't know what and have not been able to google it out.
[21:30] <pleia2> SquireDanaher: might want to ask in #gnome-do
[21:33] <SquireDanaher> pleia2: thanks
[22:18] <rocko> could you guys test this deb file I made http://ifile.it/mvqaufe
[22:18] <rocko> it is for sakura a light weight terminal emulator