/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/05/#kubuntu-devel.txt

nhandlerScottK: I was just reading through some meeting logs, and I saw that you became an Archive Admin. Congrats!00:16
Tonio_ScottK: I just noticed last upload broke some functionnalities in PNM.... those are fixed svn00:43
Tonio_ScottK: is that reasonable to upload ?00:43
Tonio_ScottK: the bad thing is that I noticed this issue at reboot, it worked after the update...00:43
dtchenTonio_: i noted as much about 24 hours ago00:46
Tonio_dtchen: yeah.... I didn't use wireless since then, and after a simple dpkg -i + plasma restart it worked....00:46
dtchensorry, i should have filed a bug, but i've been fighting alsa-kernel00:47
Tonio_dtchen: wired networks still worked so I missed that regression.... so bad that it happened in the middle of the freeze00:47
Tonio_dtchen: no pb :) the problem was easy to figure out anyway :)00:47
Tonio_I'm just wondering if it's sane to upload right now....00:47
dtcheni'm happy to test if you have a ppa upload handy00:48
Tonio_dtchen: I'm building that one locally, but I can send you a deb file in a couple of minutes..00:49
Tonio_dtchen: for some reason, we'll have to reboot to test...00:49
dtchen(ok, i'm on amd64)00:49
Tonio_hum.....00:49
Tonio_then I need to upload a ppa :)00:49
dtcheni've got a current pbuilder that's churning through pulseaudio, but i'm happy to test00:49
Tonio_dtchen: or just upload after deep tests on my side, dunno00:49
Tonio_dtchen: lemme send you the source package then00:50
dtchenyeah, url would work dandy00:50
Tonio_dtchen: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm00:51
dtchenTonio_: dgot, thanks00:53
Tonio_you're welcome00:53
ScottKTonio_: Any upload we do now will cause all the images to have to be respun.  I think put it in the known issues for release notes and wait.00:57
Tonio_ok00:57
vorianScottK: yes sir00:57
ScottKvorian: Thanks.00:57
ScottKTonio_: Thanks.  What I can do as an archive admin is pretty limited since non-Canonical employees can't get ssh access.00:58
Tonio_ScottK: that's no pb :)00:59
Tonio_ScottK: wiki updated along with kmail sieve issue01:00
ScottKTonio_: Great.  Thanks.01:01
* Tonio_ reboots to test latest pnm01:01
Tonio_dtchen: works for me, except from the icon... there is still a little bug, but it'll get fixed in a couple of days for sure01:06
dtchenhmm, which icon issue?01:06
dtcheni.e., the present build in jaunty only displays an icon while associating01:07
Tonio_dtchen: when connected wireless, you have a blank...01:07
Tonio_dtchen: connecting wirely gives the correct icon....01:07
dtchenah, yes01:07
dtchenthat's the precise issue i see currently01:07
Tonio_dtchen: no big deal, it'll be fixed soon01:08
dtchenyeah, i can deal with missing icons ;)01:08
Tonio_hehe :)01:08
Tonio_I'd like to test the vpn part of it too.... but I need my company's certificate renewed...01:09
Tonio_dtchen: did you have to reboot to get pnm to work ?01:12
dtchenTonio_: waiting on pbuilder ATM01:12
Tonio_dtchen: okay, oh so you have the icon issue with yesterday's upload ?01:13
ScottKkdepim only takes 11 hours to build on armel ....01:13
Tonio_dtchen: it shouldn't even connect, btw...01:13
Tonio_ScottK: shame on me.... sorry01:13
ScottKTonio_: It needed built anyway, so your upload didn't actually hurt.01:14
Tonio_ScottK: good you ping me before I uploaded koffice2 :)01:14
ScottKIs that in Main?01:14
vorianScottK: i suppose we could move povray to suggest, but povray is really the reason kpovmodeler exists01:15
JontheEchidnaRiddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/znAihjFB.html01:15
ScottKHow about change it to depends and move it to multiverse?01:15
ScottKvorian: ^^01:15
dtchenTonio_: yes, with yesterday's. and yesterday's works fine for me (using restricted wl driver) with open, wep, wpa, and wpa201:15
vorianScottK: agreed01:15
ScottKI think that's actually more user friendly then.01:15
dtchenbrb, testing pbuilt one01:15
JontheEchidnaRiddell: would you be interested in committing some kde4-integration goodness for software-properties-kde?01:15
vorianyep01:15
Tonio_ScottK: not koffice2, indeed... but koffice is in main afaik01:16
ScottKRiddell: Would you move kpovmodeler to multiverse please.01:16
vorianoh, i was just about to file a bug01:16
vorianthanks ScottK :)01:16
Tonio_dtchen: hum strange... didn't work for me at all, but today's fixing my issue...01:16
ScottKvorian: Do that anyway, he's probably sleeping anyway.01:16
vorianok01:17
Tonio_dtchen: fixing the wiki then :) s/won't connect/may not connect/01:17
ScottKvorian: Please mention in the bug it needs to be unseeded too.01:18
ScottKIt's on the dvd now.01:18
vorianah, ok01:18
ScottKvorian: I also notice there was an outstanding 'package description is crap' bug and the description will need updating anyway, so would you mind taking a whack at updating your proposed upload while we wait?01:19
voriansure thing01:19
ScottKThanks.01:19
vorianScottK: do i need your ack on that bug?01:20
dtchenTonio_: pbuilt one exhibits no regressions from yesterday's01:21
Tonio_great :)01:21
ScottKvorian: I don't think so.01:21
vorianok then01:22
Nightrosedoes one of you know what package i need for bonjour support in kopete by any chance?01:23
JontheEchidnaI think we might not have the package needed for bonjour support01:23
Nightroseit works on my desktop here01:24
Nightrosebut not on my eeepc01:24
Nightroseso i guess i am missing a package01:24
ScottKeeepc to small for bonjour.01:24
ScottK;-)01:25
Nightrose:P01:25
Nightroseadept is not really helping me :/01:25
JontheEchidnaoh, maybe I'm thinking a different protocol01:25
vorianScottK: do you have a bug number for the package description? It doesn't seem to be linked to the source package for some reason01:27
ScottKMaybe I was looking at another one.01:27
ScottKI was.  Sorry.01:28
vorianno problemo01:28
ScottKETOOMANYPACKAGESTODAY01:28
vorianhehe01:28
ScottKI actually didn't upload any today, just piles of lpia and armel retires.01:28
ScottKI went back and looked and when we did the last set of plasma rebuilds I had 12 packages in a row on jauntu-changes.01:29
vorianScottK: http://machine-crusade.net/kpov/ when you have a moment01:38
=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying
ScottKvorian: At this point just wait until it gets moved and you can upload it yourself ....02:03
vorianah, true enough02:03
vorian:)02:04
ScottKvorian: Did you file the bug? I don't see it,02:06
ScottKCzessi:02:07
ScottKSorry02:07
vorianbug 32556102:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325561 in kpovmodeler "Please move kpovmodeler from Main to Multiverse" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32556102:08
vorianScottK: ^02:09
EagleScreenkbluetooth4 which is provided by kdebluetooth 0.3 crash each time I turn off my laptop bluetooth adapter, can you reproduce this?02:26
EagleScreenif not, where can I obtain debugging symbols to provide a good backtrace?02:28
ScottKI can reproduce it, but a good bug with a good backtrace would be a good thing.02:42
ScottKEagleScreen: I think if you install kdebase-workspace-dbg02:42
ScottKvorian: Thanks.02:42
EagleScreenScottK negative, already installed02:45
ScottKI don't know then.02:45
* ScottK looks at JontheEchidna. Maybe he knows.02:45
EagleScreenthen what should I do with this issue?02:46
ScottKI'd suggest file a bug and see if better instructions appear.02:49
* claydoh takes a step back in time and installs hardy on his new desktop02:53
ScottK\o/02:55
claydohI also posted to the k-u list, there was a question on whether kubuntu would get an 8.04.2 release02:58
ScottKThanks.  So now the answer is "If you test it".02:58
claydohwell right now my old monitor looks better w/hardy and vesa than Intrepid/jaunty with ati or fglrx drivers :)02:59
ScottK;-)03:00
claydohbut that 6 year old crt is in bad shape anyway03:00
* claydoh craves an lcd but has to wait a bit longer03:01
JontheEchidnaI guess the only way for kdebluetooth would be a ddeb03:04
JontheEchidnawhich would probably only be available for jaunty03:04
ScottKLovely.  Well it's the same kdebluetooth with the same solid-bluetooth patch.03:05
ScottKI replicated the problem by throwing the 'airplane mode' switch on my laptop.03:05
ScottKAnyone with Jaunty and Bluetooth?03:06
rgreeningScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/113869/03:07
rgreeningI think kdesdk, kdenetwork and kdewebdav still ref libboost-dev which is an issue.03:07
rgreeningI think...03:07
ScottKDefinitely kdenetwork.03:08
rgreeningThey don't build in my PPA cause the packages want both libboost-dev and libboost1.35-dev. libboost-dev pulls in libboost1.34-dev03:08
ScottKI've got a fixed kdenetwork sitting here waiting for the freeze to be over.03:08
rgreeningok03:08
rgreeningI think kdesdk and webdev exhibit the same03:09
ScottKWouldn't suprise me about the others.03:09
rgreeningat least from what I see in the records. should I just change libboost-dev to libboost1.35-dev?03:10
ScottKYes, but also check the depends.  Some packages have a hard coded depends on some boost package.03:10
ScottKIf you miss that they will build, just not be installable.03:10
rgreeninglet me see what kdesdk shows...03:11
rgreeningok, kdesdk looks like it just needs one > 1.3303:13
rgreeningso kdesdk will need to be updated. you want em to generate a debdiff?>03:14
rgreeningScottK ^03:16
ScottKIs that in Main?03:16
vorianyeah03:17
ScottKYeah, I guess it is.03:17
ScottKrgreening: Certainly.03:18
rgreeningk .. working...03:18
ScottKwebdev is in Universe, but I think I got that one already.03:18
rgreeningok03:19
ScottKBack in a bit.03:19
ScottKyeah.  I did yesterday.03:19
ScottKprops to claydoh for 8.04.2 test results ....04:33
ScottKIf only he were here.04:33
* ScottK waves to a|wen.04:33
a|wenhi ScottK04:34
ScottK\o/ - KDE fully built on armel too.04:35
ScottKNCommander: ^^^04:35
a|wencool04:35
a|wenmy connection broke during the night (~55%), so i'm in the process of rsync'ing the rest of the cd-image now04:36
ScottKGreat.  My post to kubuntuforums has produced the expected amount of help.04:39
a|wenperfect04:40
* a|wen sees that the mythtv people has rebuild without arts all by themselves :)04:40
ScottKExcellent.04:41
ScottKa|wen: Since Lenny is supposed to release on the 14th, Debian people have started looking into dropping arts too.04:41
ScottKI see you're on the appropriate channel.04:41
ScottKPlease speak up and pass on lesson's learned.04:42
a|wenoh, perfect ...04:42
a|wenmost is pretty straight forward ... the only real problems was because they were old so they were FTBFS'ing on a no change rebuild in any case04:43
a|wenScottK: have you given them the bug number for our bug for arts removal?04:44
ScottKI did not.04:44
a|wenmy connection comes and goes, so have nothing in my backlog about arts (-kde or -qt-kde channel?)04:45
ScottKLooks like it was wdgt that was working on it.04:46
ScottKThey aren't in a big rush yet though.04:47
ScottKIt's #debian-qt-kde you want.04:47
* astromme tries to read a few more emails before collapsing into bed04:54
=== santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve
rgreeningfabo: ping06:11
Riddellmorning08:25
Riddell14 minutes to download amarok, waa08:25
Riddelldavmor2: almost full test coverage, excellent08:30
davmor2yes08:31
faborgreening: pong08:31
davmor2ScottK, Riddell: on a plus side there seem to be no netboot iso's so I might be able to start on kubuntu hardy.2 today :)08:59
Riddellnixternal: can you add this to the wiki? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdebluetooth-wee.png on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha4/Kubuntu  I can't work out how and I don't have the bandwidth to do so09:00
MamarokRiddell: are there already 4.3 packages in the experimental PPA?09:50
Mamarokmy phonon package says 4.309:51
RiddellMamarok: phonon uses a different version scheme09:51
Riddelldunno if Neon is on trunk yet09:51
Riddellbut I think we should focus on making 4.2 a work of perfection before moving on to 4.3 :)09:51
Mamarokok, I don't use Neon, only need a stable 4.2 ATM09:51
Mamarok+109:52
NightroseRiddell: neon is always trunk09:56
Nightroseanyone got any idea which package i need for bonjour support in kopete?09:56
Riddell"crack of the day"09:56
Nightroseit works on my desktop but not on the eeepc :/09:56
Nightroseand i can't find the package i am missing09:56
RiddellNightrose: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_bonjour.so is included, it ought to just work09:56
Nightrosempfh09:57
Nightrosedamn09:57
* Nightrose checks if she has that file09:57
Nightrosehmmm10:00
Nightrosei got that file10:00
* Nightrose wonders what else could be wrong10:01
a|wenNightrose: firewall?10:01
Nightroseno it doesn't show up at all as a protokol10:02
Nightrosein the add account dialog10:02
a|wenneither here on a intrepid w/4.210:03
Nightrosehmmmmm i wonder why it works on my dektop with intrepid and 4.210:04
Nightrosecan someone else on 4.2 please check if they have bonjour listed?10:05
Riddellit does seem to be lacking a .desktop file10:11
Riddelland it's not in the Add Account dialogue in jaunty10:12
Nightroseaha!10:12
Nightrosethx Riddell :)10:12
NightroseJontheEchidna: ^ can you have a look?10:12
* Nightrose would love to have bonjour for fosdem10:12
RiddellNightrose: add kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_bonjour.desktop into /usr/share/kde4/services/10:13
Riddellrun kbuildsycoca410:13
Riddellquit and start kopete10:13
Nightrose\o/10:13
Nightrosewill try10:13
Nightrosethy10:13
Nightroseweheeeeeeee10:16
* Nightrose hugs Riddell10:16
Nightrosethat did it10:16
Nightrosenice10:18
Nightroseworks like a charm in my lan10:18
RiddellI wonder if that's a packaging fault of a fault in the kopete build system10:22
Sputgah, kopete crashes as soon as my collegue with pidgin on windows comes online with bonjour :(10:32
Sputso FOSDEM could be hard... a single windows user might be able to bring all of us down :)10:32
Nightrose*lol*10:34
Nightrosethat's hard10:34
Nightrosebut given the audience of fosdem we might be save10:34
Nightrose:P10:34
Riddellkget.install:usr/share/kde4/services/kopete_bonjour.desktop10:36
Riddellwhat the naach?!10:36
Nightrosethat might explain why it works on my desktop...10:38
Nightrose;-)10:38
a|wenScottK: got the fullscreen problem solved, was compiz interfering... so back to 0 known regressions in 4.1.4, unless more have come up?10:42
ScottKNot as far as I know.  Great.11:11
ScottKa|wen: Thanks for working through that.11:12
ScottKa|wen: It'd probably be good if you commented in the supposed upstream bug on bugs.kde.org too.11:14
RiddellNightrose: fix uploaded to jaunty11:17
Riddelland I got james to show me how to use bzr-buildpackage, yay11:18
NightroseRiddell: great - thx :)11:33
ScottKa|wen: It looks like Bug #290768 needs verification again before we can copy 4.1.4.  Up for that one?11:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290768 in xine-lib "C format string specifications mismatch in translations crashes libxine based apps in some loales" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29076811:34
Tonio_hi12:22
Tonio_can people confirm they don't have an icon in PNM when connected wireless ?12:23
Tonio_I looked at the code and it should work... I'm a bit lost...12:23
Riddellworks for me12:32
Tonio_Riddell: I notice we don't have l10n koffice packaged...12:32
Tonio_Riddell: hum local issue then :)12:32
Tonio_Riddell: what is your plan for jaunty ? eventually replace koffice/kde3 or not ? and therefore should I package the langpacks ?12:33
Tonio_Riddell: and your ppa amarok still depends on libmysqlclient16, which is in universe...12:35
Tonio_Riddell: seen you updated, trying the last version then :)12:37
RiddellTonio_: we do have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice-l10n12:37
RiddellTonio_: don't package the language pack for not, we can do that when koffice 2 is actually released and we replace the KDE 3 version12:38
a|wenScottK: i can see that you commented on the upstream bug, and he got it resolved too12:38
Tonio_Riddell: hum those are 1.6, that's my point :)12:38
Riddells/for not/for now/12:38
Tonio_Riddell: oki doki, got it :) I was talking about the koffice2 langpacks, of course :)12:39
Tonio_Riddell: removed libmysqlclient16 and upgraded amarok, seems to start correctly this time, and my collection is still there ;)12:40
a|wenScottK: i'll look at the xine-lib one in a few hours, when i get to my other comp (without all the -experimental packages)12:40
RiddellTonio_: yay12:43
=== rdieter_away is now known as rdieter
Tonio_Riddell: where will you be at fosdem so that we can meet ? with the kde crew ?12:43
RiddellTonio_: at the beer event tonight I hope12:44
Riddellnot tonight, tomorrow12:44
Tonio_Riddell: I'll arrive on saturday only...12:45
a|wenScottK: btw. i can confirm the part about uni-directional transfer only in kde4.2 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172267#c38 ... have you tested receiving from phone on kde4.1.4?12:47
ubottuKDE bug 172267 in general "KDE bluetooth tray applet doesn't appear" [Crash,New]12:47
ScottKI did not.  I'm pretty new to bluetooth and still trying to figure out how it's supposed to work (for one week before the blue4 upgrade for Intrepid I had bluetooth).12:53
ScottKI confirmed I have at least as much bluetooth as I had before, but not beyond that.12:53
ScottKI'd mark the current bluetooth situation as definite progress.  Dunno how much.12:53
a|wenScottK: it's definite progress, yeah; now something works... but would just note, that it was worth still keeping an eye on that bug12:56
ScottKAgreed.12:56
ScottKAt this point it'd be better if people filed new bugs.12:56
rgreeninghas anyone esle seen packagekit install updates without being told to?12:59
rgreeningScottK, Riddell, JontheEchidna, Tonio_ ^13:00
a|wenfully ... let's get the 4.1.4 and kbluetooth0.3 into intrepid-proposed, and ask people kindly to file new bugs from now on13:00
JontheEchidnargreening: by default I think there's a setting for that13:00
Tonio_rgreening: matter of default config, look in systemsettings13:01
rgreeningI had turned it off. THe package seems to override local settings13:01
rgreeningand now its back to security updates installed by default13:01
Tonio_rgreening: it asks politely for me :)13:01
rgreeningweird.13:01
Tonio_rgreening: did the package upgrade ?13:01
Tonio_rgreening: there is kiosk settings for kpackagekit atm...13:01
Tonio_rgreening: I have to fix this point...13:02
rgreeningIll try turning it off again.13:02
rgreeningkiosk settings?13:02
Tonio_kubuntu default settings uses the kiosk mecanism ;)13:03
Tonio_kiosk is the 3 levels of config mecanism that makes it possible to override the defaults without patching apps, and without touching the user's settings13:03
Tonio_and also has an override user settings capability13:04
rgreeningwhich is what appears to have happened for me13:04
rgreeningthere was a kds update13:04
rgreeningso that likely triggered it then13:04
RiddellJontheEchidna: you seem to be doing a great job at keeping KDE Forum posts on Kubuntu answered13:04
JontheEchidnaThanks13:05
JontheEchidnaIt helps with stopping disinformation and Kubuntu bashing :P13:05
JontheEchidnaRiddell: by the way, I couldn't figure out how to kcm-ify software-properties-kde, but I did integrate it further with KDE13:07
Tonio_rgreening: I'm updating KDS with kpackagekit settings....13:07
Tonio_rgreening: so that we can test on the live cd for example, default is to auto install security updates13:07
Tonio_Riddell: we probably don't want this by default right ?13:07
rgreeningRiddell: we need up upload update-notifier-kde 0.10 which had the support for updated notification system.13:08
Tonio_Riddell: I prefer to be prompted...13:08
JontheEchidnaAll the buttons have KIcons, the gpg key importing dialog is a KFileDialog, and the remove keys button is only active when the keys treeview is clicked, just like the buttons of other treeviews13:08
Riddellrgreening: oh?  who did that?13:10
RiddellTonio_: dunno, I'm not sure of the arguments for or against automatic install13:10
rgreeningRiddell: I had a loooooooong time ago.13:10
Tonio_Riddell: suppose you are about to leave, and you want to shutdown.....13:10
Tonio_Riddell: you might want to discard the update for tomorrow for example...13:11
RiddellJontheEchidna: excellent.  did you have any paticular problems with making it a kcontrol module or did you just not know where to start?13:11
RiddellTonio_: that would be a problem13:11
rgreeningRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk13:13
rgreening12 weeks13:13
rgreeningfix was committed re: bug 10441113:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 104411 in update-notifier-kde "Adept notifer should use KNotify to notify updates" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10441113:14
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I actually can't figure out how to make the GUI abstraction class a child of the SoftwareProperties class and the KCModule class13:14
JontheEchidnaat the same time13:15
JontheEchidna*SoftwareProptertiesKDE13:15
Riddellrgreening: poke me into uploading after the alpha is out13:16
rgreeningok.13:16
rgreeningRiddell: then we need to look at what changes need to be made to make it co-exist/integrate with packagekit13:16
Riddellrgreening: I was putting that off until packagekit gets into main :)13:17
rgreeningah. good enough13:17
rgreeningI have a fix I am working on for kpackagekit. It needs an "Edit Software Sources" button to call software-properties-kde13:18
rgreeningunder settings13:18
Tonio_Riddell: I would favor kpackagekit asking what to do if you don't mind....13:18
Tonio_seele: any opinion on that subject ?13:19
JontheEchidnargreening: btw, how did the patch work out?13:19
JontheEchidnafor flash13:19
RiddellTonio_: I think I agree13:19
rgreeningJontheEchidna: Umm.. not building ATM.13:19
JontheEchidna:(13:19
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I have an error in it. need to review13:20
JontheEchidnayou can do it!13:20
Tonio_Riddell: oki, changing kds then13:20
Tonio_Riddell: is it fine to upload right now or should I discard ? KDS ready here13:23
RiddellTonio_: wait13:25
Riddellalpha not out yet13:25
Tonio_oki doki13:25
Riddellso I think I got kdebluetooth to pair with my N810, but I can't get it to do anything else13:26
Tonio_Riddell: FYI, koffice2 ready too13:26
* Tonio_ can't test kdebluetooth anymore,since the iphone doesn't have bluetooth support....13:26
* Tonio_ can't wait for his n97...13:26
RiddellTonio_: fancy doing that koffice 2 package for intrepid too?13:27
Tonio_yup13:27
Riddellthere's some changes needed but I can't remember what, look at the existing package in kubuntu-experimental or whereever it is13:27
Riddellallee: fancy updating /usr/bin/kblueplugd?  it still uses dcop13:28
Tonio_Riddell: I was about to ask :)13:28
Tonio_Riddell: probably no time to do that today, but tomorrow, no pb13:28
Tonio_Riddell: I'll debdiff for beta5... THAT'LL HELP13:28
Tonio_oup13:29
Tonio_Riddell: s/kde/kde4/ is probably a required change, to start with...13:30
ScottKRiddell: kdenetwork needs the libboost1.35 changes done to it too.  I was holding off on that for the Alpha release though.13:30
RiddellTonio_: actually https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/koffice2/1:1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 seems to suggest it doesn't need any changes13:32
Tonio_Riddell: great, maybe except from the doc path then :) we switched from kde4 to kde with 4.2...13:32
ghostcubeheh german C'T tested 3 distros FC SuSE and Ubuntu the only system that could be upgraded out of the box with no hazle was ubuntu and kubuntu :D13:33
ghostcubeall the others had crashes afterwards13:33
RiddellTonio_: hmm, yes13:33
Tonio_Riddell: jaunty version uploading to my ppa for a first test...13:33
Tonio_local built went find13:34
ScottKRiddell: I saw one of the Debian KDE people mention yesterday that they thought Koffice2 as is worked better with KDE4 than the release Koffice.13:34
RiddellScottK: you can fix it in bzr though in the mean time (and yes, I entirely forgot the alpha freeze, oops)13:34
ScottKPerhaps we should just switch.13:34
RiddellScottK: maybe, I might ask the koffice pepole at fosdem what they think13:34
ScottKThat'd certainly simplify some things.13:34
Tonio_ScottK: I really appreciate koffice, so I'll try to use it at work for a week13:35
JontheEchidnaBy the way, Qt copy now has patches for systray icons13:35
JontheEchidnabug 29152913:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291529 in qt4-x11 "Notification area visually corrupted when using qt4 applications (Skype)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29152913:35
ScottKRiddell: At a glance it doesn't appear your latest upload is in bzr for kdenetwork.13:36
RiddellScottK: oh, hang on13:36
Tonio_Riddell, ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa to test koffice.... probably toonight, I hope13:37
RiddellScottK: pushing, james_w was showing me bzr-buildpackage and did a branch instead of my usual checkout13:37
ghostcubeJontheEchidna: cool this is really nice13:37
RiddellJontheEchidna: have you tested them?13:37
ScottKI'm about to leave for some meetings and I'll be offline most of the day.13:37
ghostcubeby ScottK13:37
JontheEchidnaRiddell: nope, I plan to do so soon unless someone else wants to13:37
ScottKRiddell: The best thing I learned about bzr recently wrt branches was bzr push :parent.13:38
ScottKThen it just goes back where you branched it from.13:38
ghostcubeJontheEchidna: is there an package to test it i can do later if the icon garbage gets away :D13:38
ghostcubeat work at the moment13:38
JontheEchidnaghostcube: I'll definitely put it in my ppa since it'd take many hours for me to build it locally13:39
ghostcubeok :)13:39
JontheEchidnayou running jaunty?13:39
ghostcubeoh only jaunty ?13:39
ghostcubeiam on intrepid13:39
JontheEchidnawell, I could do both but I'd have to ask to increase my space limit13:39
ghostcubeoh if its too much trouble i can wait till its confimed13:40
ScottKJontheEchidna: Or start a new team.13:40
ghostcube:D13:40
JontheEchidnaheh13:41
RiddellSime: meet at the beer event tomorrow?13:55
Tonio_Riddell: are there problems with the ppas ? I can't upload koffice.... it stops arround 30/60%13:55
RiddellTonio_: they might be enforcing quotas now, are you over 1GB?13:55
Tonio_I don't think so... lemme look13:56
Tonio_no, since I deleted my previous koffice, should feet13:56
Tonio_I suspect a dput issue.... trying manual upload with konq13:57
JontheEchidnaBy the way, the Qt system tray patches are all included in Qt 4.5.014:04
=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
JontheEchidnaDo we want to patch it now or wait until Qt 4.5 is out and just update?14:04
knusperfroschtoPyObject segfault on a QVariant in ppa's python-qt4 :(14:07
* JontheEchidna goes ahead and does the systray patches14:09
RiddellJontheEchidna: it's not clear if we'll be using 4.5 or not, we're still to see if it's stable enough14:09
JontheEchidnaOK14:10
glatzorRiddell, Hello, could you sponsor a new packagekit upload?14:10
Riddellglatzor: sure14:12
Riddellinfact, I'd love to if it fixes the MIR issues :)14:12
Tonio_Riddell:     *  Estimated archive size: 534.9 MiB14:13
Tonio_View build records Copy packages Delete packages14:13
Tonio_Riddell: dunno what to do.... manual upload with konq also stops....14:13
Tonio_Riddell: someone to ping for that ?14:13
Riddellnot unless you know where the problem is14:14
Tonio_Riddell: trying to upload on my ftp... if that works, then ppa's ftp the cause14:14
glatzorRiddell, which one do you refer? the dbus policies should be sufficient now.14:15
Tonio_rahhhhhhhh same problem....14:16
Tonio_Riddell: conclusion : ath9k sucks.... or my ISP sucks....14:16
=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
seeleTonio_: kpackagekit asking to do what now?14:22
Riddellseele: to install updates, by default it just installs them without any user intervention14:25
Tonio__Riddell: uploaded, that's ath9k buffer issue......14:25
Tonio__Sput:  just found a little usability issue with quassel...14:26
Tonio__Sput: when the nickname is already in use, you are prompted to type in "/nick newnick"14:26
Tonio__but it won't let you type anything :)14:26
Sputah yes, I wanted to change that to generate a random name14:26
Tonio__Sput: or let people type in the command, eventually no ?14:26
Sputonce it has tried all your alternative nicks14:26
Sputyeah, or that :)14:26
Tonio__Sput: :)14:27
rgreeningTonio_: I have a new patch for Kpackagekit14:27
Tonio__rgreening: please send, I'll put on my ppa :)14:27
=== Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_
rgreeningTonio_: I wrote a patch to add support for "Edit Software Sources" like in Adept14:27
Tonio_rgreening: you rock :)14:28
rgreeningTonio_: :)  I'm test building here... it should be fine.. I'll send after test build14:28
Tonio_rgreening: can you pastebin it to me ?14:28
rgreeningyep. right after I verify all is good.14:28
rgreening5 min or so...14:28
seeleRiddell: oh dear, yes.. users must be able to say when they want to install or not. the only "automatic" thing would be checking to see if there are updates to install14:31
ScottKrgreening: Ask and yea shall receive: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-lpia.iso14:33
rgreeningScottK: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!14:39
rgreeningScottK: I'm so installing that tonight14:39
rgreeningScottK: ty for your effort on ports +1,000,000,000...14:40
Riddellrgreening: what will you install it on?14:41
rgreeningRiddell: I recently purchased an Acer One... Since I had my 17in Laptop at UDS.. it was too much to carry around. The Acer One is a beter option for travel.14:41
rgreeningTonio_: I have a small issue....14:49
Tonio_rgreening: ah ?14:51
rgreeningTonio_: kpackagekit needs to be restarted after install to reload and be able to show the new button. I wonder if we should add a restart/reboot hook14:52
rgreeningprob doesn't matter in the long run......14:53
* JontheEchidna sorta thinks that only the kpackagekit settings should be accessible from systemsettings, not the whole thing14:53
JontheEchidnapackage management isn't really a configuration option imo :P14:54
rgreeningJontheEchidna: That is easy enough to change (I believe) if we want that. I can have a look14:55
JontheEchidnayeah, should be a matter of editing .desktop files14:55
rgreeningTonio_: how is kpackagekit run from root the first time14:55
JontheEchidnawe should probably ask before we patch though14:55
Riddellrgreening: what sort of chip does that use?14:56
rgreeningRiddell: Atom (which I assume is lpia?)14:56
Riddellyes14:56
rgreeningRiddell: cool14:57
rgreeningI installed the regular x86 of Intrepid... runs fine. I hope to squeeze a little more with the lpia14:57
rgreeningTonio_: another issue. How do I add software-properties-kde to packagekit to allow it to run with admin rights when launched via kpackagekit?15:01
Tonio_rgreening: easy way -> kdesudo15:01
rgreeningTonio_: but that will ask user for password right?15:02
Tonio_rgreening: hard way -> policykit since you'll have to patch kpackagekit templates for policykit and that'll have to be maintained15:02
rgreeningTonio_: or is that what we want?15:02
Tonio_rgreening: yeah15:02
Tonio_best way is going policykit, but that's harder to maintain on the long term :)15:02
rgreeningTonio_: so the package would then need to dep on kdesudo and software-properties-kde15:04
rgreeninghmm..15:04
rgreeningTonio_: I think policykit-kde/gnome would need to be updated for the policykit route.15:06
JontheEchidnapatches Qt uploaded to my ppa15:07
JontheEchidna*patched15:07
rgreeningJontheEchidna: which version and whats the patch15:09
JontheEchidna4.4.3, with qt-copy 0269, 270, and 27115:10
JontheEchidnaand crap, I forgot to give it a ~ppan15:10
JontheEchidnait'll fix systray corruption15:11
JontheEchidnabbiab15:12
rgreeningRiddell: I have a patch for kpackagekit. The issue is it currently calls software-properties-kde and requires admin privs to do so. So, do I 1) call with kdesuo 2) try and figure out policykit. After that, there is also the question of allowing software-properties-[kde|gtk] in the patch (easy enough I guess) and make the package dep on either or; as well, if we require kdesudo, then it also begs the question of gksu, kdesu...15:16
rgreeningthoughts?15:16
Riddellrgreening: just use kdesudo I guess15:16
Riddellwe can ask glatzor if he has any plans to port it to policykit15:16
Riddellah, hello :)15:17
Riddellrgreening: use /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu15:17
Riddellglatzor: have you considered porting software-properties to policykit?15:17
rgreeningglatzor: it would be very nice to have software-properties in policykit.15:18
rgreeningRiddell: any reason for kdesu vs kdesudo? Are we shitching back to kdesu?15:18
rgreeningswitching....15:18
Riddellrgreening: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu is kdesudo (we use dpkg-diverts)15:19
rgreeningoh15:19
Riddellif you uninstall kdesudo is becomes kdesu again15:19
rgreeningnever knew that15:19
Riddellhow do I delete stuff from a PPA?15:40
JontheEchidnathere's a delete page15:41
JontheEchidnaon the web interface15:41
Riddelloh, I'm not logged in15:41
JontheEchidnawhoa, kdevelop4 beta 115:43
JontheEchidnado we want that?15:43
JontheEchidnaoh, it's already in kubuntu-experimental15:44
RiddellI'm way ahead of you :)15:45
JontheEchidnawell what can you expect from the Kubuntu robot? :P15:45
rgreeningRiddell: there is a dep on adept in update-notifier-kde. That will need to be updated as well for kpackagekit15:51
Riddellrgreening: only if we still use update-notifier-kde for it15:52
rgreeningRiddell: ok. Well, at the very least, the adept dep will go away along with the bits related to it (whether kpackagekit is integrated or not)15:53
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_away
Riddellfabo, rgreening: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/onwards-and-upwards/ http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/the-new-and-improved-qt-creator-092-rc/16:13
alleeRiddell:  kblueplugd  dcop -> solid port?   Sounds interesting.   I'll have a look if Tonio isn't faster16:15
Riddellallee: well it only uses dcop to quit the app, that can be ported to dbus easily enough16:17
rgreeningRiddell: cool. dling now16:18
JontheEchidnahotness16:19
* JontheEchidna might consider upgrading to 4.5 once he's done patching 4.4.316:20
yao_ziyuani'm very interested in "pidgin-knotify" which lets pidgin use kde's knotify notification system to show buddy status changes. it seems to be included in fedora, and i'd like to see it in kubuntu.16:20
Riddellyao_ziyuan: sounds like a cludge, we have people working on making notifications work across desktops for all apps16:21
yao_ziyuanRiddell: my dictionary doesn't have 'cludge'...16:21
yao_ziyuanbut i guess you mean 'redundant'?16:22
Riddellmessy fix16:22
alleeRiddell: ah, right.    Btw dbus.   kdbus always hang on startup (since feisty?)  and is kde3.   So maybe time to remove from archive :(16:22
jussi01Riddell: is the new kdevelop 4 package the kdevelop-kde4 i see?16:22
Riddelljussi01: yes16:22
Riddellallee: confirmed, I'll remove it16:23
=== rdieter_away is now known as rdieter
jussi01Riddell: thank you. :)16:23
* jussi01 installs...16:23
glatzorRiddell, rgreening. It is on my agenda to use policykit/dbus for software-properties, but it's already quiet long :)16:24
Riddellglatzor: no rush :)16:25
JontheEchidnaso who do I speak to to get patches in to software-properties?16:25
RiddellJontheEchidna: put them in yourself? :)16:26
rgreening:)16:26
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I'm not a core dev16:26
glatzorJontheEchidna, mvo16:26
JontheEchidnaglatzor: thanks16:26
rgreeningRiddell: who can upload kpackagekit updates?16:31
Riddellrgreening: any MOTU16:32
rgreeningok. JontheEchidna...16:32
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I will open a bug report shortly for a patch for kpackagekit16:32
JontheEchidnaok, I can sponsor16:33
macoany reports of the battery thing in the notification area showing really insane values in jaunty? like "43%. 7 hours remaining"?16:33
rgreeningk. It adds software-properties-kde support to Settings pane16:33
JontheEchidnaschweet16:33
rgreening:)16:33
rgreeningwho da man16:33
JontheEchidnayou da man16:34
Riddellmaco: no but that would be a hal issue16:34
rgreeningawww yeah16:34
JontheEchidnalol16:34
rgreening;)16:34
* JontheEchidna sends along his improvements patch to mvo16:34
rgreeningJontheEchidna: after that, I'll get back to the kdelibs flash16:34
JontheEchidnargreening++16:34
rgreeningare you able to sponsor that too?16:35
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ^ I assume yes16:35
Riddellglatzor: you want me to upload packagekit (0.3.14-0ubuntu1) right?16:35
JontheEchidnanope, kdelibs is in main16:35
rgreeningoh...16:35
JontheEchidnaa core-dev would need to sponsor it16:35
JontheEchidnaand we're in alpha freeze16:35
JontheEchidnayou could upload it to bzr though16:36
rgreeningk. np it casn go to queue.16:36
rgreeningJontheEchidna: sure. I'll ping you later about it then...16:36
jussi01Riddell: did your suggestions make it to the quassel tracker?16:40
RiddellI've no idea16:40
glatzorRiddell, could you wait a minute?16:40
macoRiddell: ok16:40
jussi01Sput: ^^16:40
Sputjussi01: no16:41
* jussi01 scrolls back to find them and add them...16:41
rgreeningRiddell / JontheEchidna: bug 320012... does this mean it's in main?16:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320012 in kpackagekit "main inclusion report for kpackagekit" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32001216:42
rgreeningor waiting16:42
JontheEchidnawaiting for some packagekit fixes16:43
rgreeningok16:43
jussi01Sput: done. basic, but cover it. :)16:46
Sputcool thx :)16:47
JontheEchidnaugh, Qt still has another 2 hours to go16:55
smarterrgreening: planning to package 4.5rc1 ? ;)16:57
glatzorRiddell, you could upload 0.3.14 now.17:05
glatzorRiddell, there is an issue with the python client bindings. But they will be fixed later.17:05
glatzorRiddell, issue means not working :)17:06
rgreeningsmarter: YEP17:15
smarterw00t17:15
rgreeningsmarter: working on two other things atm17:15
Tonio_rgreening: sorry I got isp issue in the middle of the discussion :)17:29
rgreeningnp17:38
Tonio_rgreening: did Riddell give his opinion on the issue ?17:38
rgreeningya17:39
Tonio_and ?17:39
rgreeningusing kdesu for now17:39
Tonio_kdesudo way ?17:39
Tonio_oki17:39
rgreeningJontheEchidna: in the bug report, should I add udate or patch as a tag?17:41
jjessewow downloading alpha4 and getting 5.5KB/sec transfer rate17:41
JontheEchidnargreening: patch, I guess. It doesn't matter too much17:41
rgreeningk17:43
ghostcubeJontheEchidna, is it building on intrepid too ?17:51
ghostcube*for17:51
JontheEchidnaghostcube: Qt?17:56
ghostcubeyes17:56
JontheEchidnanope, just jaunty17:56
ghostcubeok :)17:56
rgreeningJontheEchidna: the bug for the kpackagekit change is bug 325846, but I still have to add the attachments. I am redoing them now... so shortly. I'll ping ya.18:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325846 in kpackagekit "Add support for editing software properties via software-properties-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32584618:03
JontheEchidnak18:03
rgreeningI hate trying to manipulate QStringLists.........grr18:26
JontheEchidnaQt with systray patches is built for Jaunty in my ppa (echidnaman), if anyone wants to test18:29
JontheEchidnabrb, restarting X18:57
a|wenScottK: the xine-lib bug is simply not something i seem to be able to reproduce; i've tried to get xine to crash, but it is simply not possible for me18:57
JontheEchidnaHmm19:02
JontheEchidnano more corrupted icons or flickering19:02
JontheEchidnabut now kmail's icon doesn't show19:03
JontheEchidnathe systray icon still works, but no icon19:03
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ping... bug 325846 updated with appropriate attachments. I added the diff.gz, debdiff and dsc. you need anything else?19:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325846 in kpackagekit "Add support for editing software properties via software-properties-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32584619:05
JontheEchidnathat should be fine19:05
rgreeningk. upy loady for lots of fun19:05
rgreening:P19:05
rgreeningTonio_: ^^^^19:06
rgreeningJontheEchidna: is going to upload. You should grab the patch, etc from the bug or the upload once done.19:06
Tonio_rgreening: hu ?19:06
Tonio_rgreening: testing...19:06
rgreeningTonio_: for kpackagekit ^19:06
rgreening:)19:07
Tonio_rgreening: excellent :)19:07
a|wenScottK: and the file sending only being uni-directional is the same in kde4.1.4 ... so behavior in 4.1.4 is at least as good as in kde4.2 :)19:08
Tonio_rgreening: ouch you patched the sources directly ;)19:09
rgreening?19:09
Tonio_rgreening: I have to rewrite that in the form of a patch then...19:09
rgreeningTonio_: no19:09
rgreeningTonio_: there is a patch in the diff.gz19:09
rgreeningor the other diff19:09
JontheEchidnaThe patch looks pretty straightforward, nice catch on the duplicate build-dep19:09
Tonio_ho yeah, sorry19:10
rgreening:)19:10
rgreeningty JontheEchidna :)19:10
* JontheEchidna testbuilds19:10
rgreeningJontheEchidna: the patch is actually quite simple. I took me a while cause of the kdesu and stupid passing QStringLists around incorrectly...19:10
rgreeningJontheEchidna: if you install the deb locally after building, you need to kill all kpackagekit processes or you don't get the new version running with the button.19:12
rgreeningJontheEchidna: or reboot.19:12
JontheEchidnaok19:12
JontheEchidnachugging nicely along now19:12
rgreeningshould only take a few mins JontheEchidna19:13
rgreening:P19:13
JontheEchidnayup, looks like it'll be a short one19:13
rgreeningheh. Now, I need to fix kde4libs with the flash patch... attempt number gazillion19:13
JontheEchidnalol19:13
JontheEchidna36% built19:14
rgreeningJontheEchidna: should I have subscribed one of the motu addresses to the bug?19:15
JontheEchidnaubuntu-universe-sponsors, but since you can just ping me here it's not that big of a deal19:15
rgreeningokies. I'll prob go for motu after Jaunty19:15
JontheEchidnait's mainly a piece of red tape necessary for the larger dev community of ubuntu19:16
JontheEchidnadoesn't hurt to subscribe it though19:16
JontheEchidnaand yes, you should go for motu after jaunty19:16
JontheEchidnaheck, you probably could go for motu right before jaunty since you came in near the end of intrepid19:17
rgreeningI could... I may. I need to read up on a lot and make some more chatter in motu channel :)19:18
JontheEchidnaI'll confess, I only joined #ubuntu-motu a week or so before I made my application. I wouldn't recommend that though :P19:18
Tonio_rgreening: I'll upload after the freeze, seems good :)19:18
rgreeningTonio_: JontheEchidna was taking care of it. I just wanted to make you aware as you have a PPA with snapshots in it.19:19
JontheEchidnaTonio_: is universe affected by the alpha freeze too?19:19
Tonio_JontheEchidna: for kpackagekit, there is a bzr branch on the packagekit project...19:19
rgreeningI'll let you two hash it out :)19:20
rgreeninghehe19:20
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I have commit access so please let me know when you upload so that I can update the bzr trunk19:20
JontheEchidnaoh, ok. I understand now19:20
rgreeningyay. I get commited19:20
Tonio_JontheEchidna: no but it'll be promoted soon, there is a MIR fot this one19:20
rgreeningI should be committed19:20
Tonio_rgreening: have commit access .19:21
JontheEchidnait's just about done, lintian's going19:21
rgreening:P19:21
JontheEchidnalintian just crapped it's pants, lol19:21
rgreeningweird19:21
Tonio_rgreening: + do you have commit access ?19:21
JontheEchidnaO.o19:21
JontheEchidnaW: kpackagekit: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkpackagekitlib19:22
JontheEchidnalibkpackagekitlib?19:22
rgreeningTonio_: no, I was making a play on words.19:22
stdinone day, I will make libliblib a reality ;)19:22
Tonio_JontheEchidna: ah...... sorry for my bad english then :)19:22
rgreeningJontheEchidna: if your pbuilder updated19:22
Tonio_JontheEchidna: you probably can ignore that one.... or override if that really matter you :)19:23
JontheEchidnaI'm just wondering why they chose that name...19:23
Tonio_rgreening: just tested, the patch works like a charm19:23
rgreeningah19:23
rgreeningTonio_: sweet stuff19:23
JontheEchidnaheh, love kpackagekit's console output19:23
=== Parafeed_ is now known as Parafeed
JontheEchidnaworks like a charm here to19:24
JontheEchidna*too19:24
rgreeningI had a mind to add "Go Go Gadget EditSources!" in my patch19:24
JontheEchidnalmao19:24
rgreeningBut I figured Dr. Claw would ixnay that real quick19:25
JontheEchidnaok, so I'll upload to Ubuntu then Tonio_ will upload to bzr?19:25
rgreeningsounds good19:26
jpds~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/1219:27
jpdsGah, sorry.19:27
JontheEchidnaTonio_, rgreening: uploaded19:28
JontheEchidnaThanks for your contribution to Kubuntu19:29
rgreeningcoo-coo-coo :)19:29
rgreeningyw19:29
JontheEchidnaA lot of internal errors seem to occur19:32
rgreeningwhere19:32
JontheEchidnain kpackagekit19:33
rgreeninglike?19:33
JontheEchidna"the sychronous request took too long, you need to fork19:33
JontheEchidna"19:33
macowhen suspending in kde, the screen should be locked on resume, right?  (it normally is)19:33
JontheEchidnanot related to your patch though19:33
macohas anything changed in the kde screensaver (i assume that handles screen lock) in jaunty in the last 2 days that would explain why this time it wasnt locked?19:34
JontheEchidnargreening: one thing, software-properties-kde doesn't ask me to reload the package lists after I add a new repo19:37
rgreeningnope. I never added that bit of functionality in.19:38
JontheEchidnait's built in to s-p-kde19:38
* JontheEchidna wonders why it didn't ask him to reload19:38
rgreeningno I mean I would need to tell it to reload19:38
rgreeningand I didn't19:39
JontheEchidnaoh, right19:39
rgreening:)19:39
JontheEchidnahmm19:39
rgreeninghowever, if you go to Updates pane in kpackagekit you update sources there.19:39
rgreeningie reload.19:39
rgreeningI'll work on a v2 of the patch to see about adding that bit in. It'll be a bit more extensiive to do that19:40
JontheEchidnayou can also turn on/off existing sources in the settings place already... I wonder if it wouldn't be smarter to just remove the "Origin of Packages" groupbox and do all the editing with our app19:40
rgreeningJontheEchidna: it sucks in kpk19:40
jjesseanyone else using bittorrent to download the alpha?  only getting 1.2kb/sec on transfer :(19:40
rgreeningya19:40
rgreeningya to JontheEchidna19:40
JontheEchidnaanyway, the feature is in before feature freeze19:41
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I don't like the origin implementation either.19:41
rgreeningwhee19:41
rgreeningI'll look at adding the reload piece, not I have the gutz implemented and the main required functionality.19:42
rgreenings/not/now19:42
rgreeningbut first kde4libs must bend to my will19:42
JontheEchidnaheh19:42
rgreeningok, uploading again to ppa.... """build for the love of god and all that is good in this souless existance!"""19:45
LaserJockjjesse: seems like torrents would be a bad idea for Alphas, I wouldn't think you'd ever get enough people to seed19:45
JontheEchidnaanyway, does anybody have time to test my Qt build in Jaunty?19:45
* JontheEchidna is a bit worried since his kmail tray icon is blank19:45
rgreeningI would, but I am running qt4.5.0 and have my kde built agianst it19:45
JontheEchidnabut the flickering and corruption are gone, which is great!19:47
JontheEchidnain fact, we should just ship the patch and tell our users to cut up a Post-it (tm) note and draw a kmail icon on it, then stick it to their monitor19:48
rgreeninglol19:55
jussi01can someone tell me what the "working directory" is when you start something from alt+f2? apparently quassel logs there when it crashes...19:58
macojussi01: ~/Documents20:02
jussi01maco: thanks!!!20:02
macothat reminds me: why is that that kde keeps opening my terminals in ~/Documents instead of ~?20:03
macojussi01: guess how i did that? "pwd > ~/Desktop/file" didn't do anything. so i did "touch dirhere" in the krunner then "find . -name dirhere" from ~20:03
jussi01maco: hehe, I should thought of that.20:04
macono, that falls into the non-obvious category20:04
stdinmaco, jussi01: Alt-F2: kdialog --msgbox ${PWD}20:05
stdin:)20:05
macothe first one made sense. the way the worked did NOT20:05
macokdialog?20:05
* maco goes to the manpages20:05
maco>< man 7 undocumented20:05
stdinkdialog gives you a KDE message box20:05
stdinsee kdialog --help20:05
stdinthere was a manpage, but it seems to have gotten lost in kde3 -> kde420:06
macofile bug?20:06
smarterit was probably the same as kdialog --help anyway20:06
stdinprobably20:06
macoso kdialog is like zenity then?20:06
stdinyeah, just better20:06
macook20:06
vandenoeverhello my beauties, i've been trying (early, i admit) the kdevelop-kde4 package20:49
vandenoeverit is missing most plugins20:49
vandenoeverso effectively it is not useable except as text editor20:49
QuintasanHow should I name the dir for package made for svn?20:55
Quintasanfrom*20:55
Quintasan<package name>-<revision number>svn?20:55
ScottKa|wen: Thanks for looking into it.20:56
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ScottKQuintasan: I recommend either <package name>-<last version>svn<revision number> or <package name>~<next version>svn<revision number>21:16
QuintasanScottK: thanks, I'm trying to build rbutil :P21:19
ScottKQuintasan: I just realized I made a mistake on that.21:20
ScottKQuintasan: The 2nd one shold be <package name>-<next version>~svn<revision number>21:20
ScottKAnd the first one lacks a -21:20
QuintasanScottK: dh_make -e <my mail> --createorig will be a good solution?21:23
* ScottK doesn't recall.21:24
ScottKIt's been ages since I actually started with dh_make.  I normally copy a similar package and start with that.21:25
* Lure is glad that he is not alone ;-)21:25
QuintasanScottK: I have only the svn code, there was no package :P21:25
knusperfroschare i18n packages for 3.5.10 in hardy-backports?21:26
ScottKknusperfrosch: You want to get 3.5.10 frim hardy-updates21:27
ScottKQuintasan: If there's never been a release then do 0.0 as release.21:27
QuintasanScottK: I mean there was no package for ubuntu21:28
ScottKOh.21:28
ScottKI generally find something I think is similar and start with that.21:28
ScottKYou may not always be able to.21:29
knusperfroschScottK: k, so hardy-updates doesn't ship i18n packages? got 3.5.9 here21:30
ScottKIt may not.21:30
* ScottK looks over at Riddell and wonders if he know.21:30
ScottKs21:30
QuintasanHmm I can compile it by typing qmake and make, the debuild fails to do so :/21:30
Quintasan$(MAKE) <--- what exacly this does?21:31
stdinQuintasan: $(MAKE) expends to the make executable, in our case "/usr/bin/make"22:06
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ScottKRiddell: I admire your talent for understatement.22:30
alleeJauntyRiddell:, Tonio_: kbluetooth4 stops running itself (bug or feature) when the adpater is unpluged/turned off.   If this is by design, there no need to replace the stop via dcop with a dbus equvalent22:32
alleeJauntyI've asked tpatzig in #kdebluetooth if that's an bug or feature22:32
ScottKalleeJaunty: It's a bug as it crashes.22:33
alleeJauntyScottK: okay22:34
ScottKalleeJaunty: We were looking for someone on Jaunty to install the needed ddebs and get a proper backtrace22:34
alleeJauntyScottK: please refresh my memory how to install ddebs22:35
alleeJaunty!ddebs22:35
ubottuddebs is See http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/ and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-September/000195.html for documentation22:35
ScottKI'm glad you knew that one22:35
alleeJaunty:)22:35
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^^ We got our kdebluetooth tester.22:36
* alleeJaunty waves22:36
JontheEchidnayay22:37
alleeJauntyIs there a neW: Konnte http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages nicht holen  301 Moved Permanently22:41
alleeJauntyah: ddebs.ubuntu.com22:41
ScottKboost transition for kdenetwork is done.22:44
alleeJauntyScottK, JontheEchidna: there are only dbg-sym for version 0ubuntu1 for amd64, no 0ubuntu2 yet :(  Strange is that aptitude search kblueooth-dbgsym does not even find the 0ubuntu1 version (maybe bacause it's out of date).   So no dbgsym yet :(22:55
alleeJauntykdeblueooth-dbgsym that is22:56
ScottKThe only change was an added bild dep, so it should be fine22:56
ScottKbild dep/depends22:56
ScottKobex-data-server, iirc22:57
alleeJauntyokay, then I'll install 'by hand'.   Ah stop obex-data-server  that the last output before the crash ;)22:57
JontheEchidnaDoes anybody here running Jaunty use KMail with its systray icon?22:58
ScottKEven with obex-data-server installed, it'll still crash.22:59
* ScottK can easily reproduce (on Intrepid) by turning off the 'airplane mode' switch.22:59
* ScottK needs to run off. Good luck.23:00
alleeJauntythx23:00
* JontheEchidna supposes it wouldn't hurt to see if rebooting helps23:00
JontheEchidnakmail's ok now, must have been a fluke23:15
JontheEchidnaon the down side....23:15
JontheEchidnathe legacy nvidia driver no longer works despite my pinning xserver and the driver before upgrading to intrepid (and it did work for a while...)23:16
alleeJauntyJontheEchidna: apport seem to ignore the kblueooth4 crashes.  How do I reset so I get a backtrace?23:16
* JontheEchidna disables apport23:16
JontheEchidnato do that23:17
JontheEchidnahmm, how do you do that23:17
JontheEchidnathere's a config file you gotta modify somewhere...23:18
rgreeningo/ JontheEchidna23:19
JontheEchidna\o23:19
JontheEchidnaalleeJaunty: Riddell knows how to disable apport and use the regular KDE crash dialog23:21
rgreeningdam kde4libs still FTBFS23:21
JontheEchidnaI suppose you could uninstall it for the time being23:21
alleeJauntyJontheEchidna: looks like that's an option: apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_bin_kbluetooth4.1000.crash    bugreport is uploading ...23:22
JontheEchidnaRiddell: the no-systray-garbage patches are working great23:24
JontheEchidnanot even any flickering23:24
rgreeningJontheEchidna: are those patches committed already for Qt 4.5.023:24
rgreeningI believe they are23:24
JontheEchidnargreening: yes23:24
rgreeningok23:24
JontheEchidnaif we don't get it in time for jaunty, at least we'll have a nice systray23:25
JontheEchidnabut I do hope we get 4.5 for jaunty23:25
alleeJauntyJontheEchidna, ScottK: bug 32596323:27
ubottuBug 325963 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/325963 is private23:27
rgreeningJontheEchidna: will a package named qt4-x11_4.5.0~snapshot be < qt4-x11_4.5.0~rc1 (if its alphabetical it wont be and that is going to be a problem for me)23:27
rgreeninghehe23:28
JontheEchidna~snapshot would probably be bigger23:28
rgreeningJontheEchidna: dam23:28
dtchenuse dpkg --compare-versions23:29
dtchen$ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0~snapshot lt 4.5.0~rc123:29
dtchen1|crimsun@errno:~ $23:29
JontheEchidnaalleeJaunty: could you un-private the bug?23:29
* JontheEchidna can normally see private bugs, this is weird23:29
lex79JontheEchidna: thanks for the upload :)23:30
JontheEchidnalex79: thanks for updating the package23:30
JontheEchidnaalleeJaunty: got it, thanks23:31
alleeJauntyJontheEchidna: done.  But the stracktrace has not all symbol :(23:31
JontheEchidnayeah :(23:31
ScottKJontheEchidna: If it was marked security and private you wouldn't be able to see it.23:32
rgreeningdtchen: ty. Indeed ~rc1 > ~snapshot23:32
JontheEchidnaaah, security *and* private23:32
alleeJauntyinstalling ddebs with dpkg is no fun :(23:32
rgreeningScottK: See above discussion about Qt package name. Do you have a recommendation on how to name the rc1 to make it greater than the snapshot? I used ~snapshot23:34
ScottKAhh.  Hmmmm23:34
ScottK~snapshot+rc123:35
rgreeninghaha23:35
ScottKUgly but working.23:36
rgreeningtrue. ok. I'll use that23:36
rgreeningty ScottK23:36
ScottKyw23:36
rgreeningJontheEchidna: thanks for getting my patch uploaded for kpackagekit23:37
lex79JontheEchidna: when you have time... http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-translatoid23:37
rgreeningScottK: what about ~+rc123:38
rgreeningthat is > ~snapshot23:38
rgreeningbut not as ambiguous23:39
alleeJauntyJontheEchidna: I've retry tomorrow.  Hopefully then the a proper amd64 ddeb and apt-get does the depencendy jobs for me.  Using dpkg is way to time consuming :(23:39
ScottKrgreening: Should work.23:40
lex79rgreening: there is a problem to install libqt4-dbg...do you know?23:40
rgreeninglex79: what problem and which package version?23:41
lex79libqt4-dbg_4.5.0~snapshot-20090202-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb23:41
lex79trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtXmlPatterns.so.4.5.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-xmlpatterns-dbg23:41
rgreening1 sec. I had fixed it23:41
lex79ok23:42
rgreeninglex79: read the changelog to see if my comment is there or not23:42
lex79ok23:42
JontheEchidnaoh cool, new beta legacy drivers for xorg 1.623:43
rgreeninglex79: maybe it isn't 100% gone...23:44
lex79I don't see your comment23:46
rgreeninghmm.. strange.23:47
lex79:)23:47
rgreeningat any rate, I confirmed there is still an issue in the package.23:48
rgreeningty lex79, I'll fix in the rc1 upload23:48
lex79ok rgreening ;)23:48
Tonio__koffice on my ppa for testers....23:49
JontheEchidnabrb, restarting X23:50
lex79anyone: can you sponsor this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lemonpos-kde4/+bug/32515323:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 325153 in lemonpos-kde4 "New upstream release 0.6.1" [Undecided,New]23:52
Tonio__Riddell: current koffice is not installable due to file conflict between packages.... it is in universe, so I upload right now23:54
rgreeninglex79: The debug change mysteriously disappeared from my repo, eventhough I still have the comments in my log saying I fixed it. hah23:55
lex79I didn't try 20090203 snapshot23:59
lex79because in my system kdm doesn't start with 20090202 snapshot :)23:59

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