[00:16] <nhandler> ScottK: I was just reading through some meeting logs, and I saw that you became an Archive Admin. Congrats!
[00:43] <Tonio_> ScottK: I just noticed last upload broke some functionnalities in PNM.... those are fixed svn
[00:43] <Tonio_> ScottK: is that reasonable to upload ?
[00:43] <Tonio_> ScottK: the bad thing is that I noticed this issue at reboot, it worked after the update...
[00:46] <dtchen> Tonio_: i noted as much about 24 hours ago
[00:46] <Tonio_> dtchen: yeah.... I didn't use wireless since then, and after a simple dpkg -i + plasma restart it worked....
[00:47] <dtchen> sorry, i should have filed a bug, but i've been fighting alsa-kernel
[00:47] <Tonio_> dtchen: wired networks still worked so I missed that regression.... so bad that it happened in the middle of the freeze
[00:47] <Tonio_> dtchen: no pb :) the problem was easy to figure out anyway :)
[00:47] <Tonio_> I'm just wondering if it's sane to upload right now....
[00:48] <dtchen> i'm happy to test if you have a ppa upload handy
[00:49] <Tonio_> dtchen: I'm building that one locally, but I can send you a deb file in a couple of minutes..
[00:49] <Tonio_> dtchen: for some reason, we'll have to reboot to test...
[00:49] <dtchen> (ok, i'm on amd64)
[00:49] <Tonio_> hum.....
[00:49] <Tonio_> then I need to upload a ppa :)
[00:49] <dtchen> i've got a current pbuilder that's churning through pulseaudio, but i'm happy to test
[00:49] <Tonio_> dtchen: or just upload after deep tests on my side, dunno
[00:50] <Tonio_> dtchen: lemme send you the source package then
[00:50] <dtchen> yeah, url would work dandy
[00:51] <Tonio_> dtchen: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm
[00:53] <dtchen> Tonio_: dgot, thanks
[00:53] <Tonio_> you're welcome
[00:57] <ScottK> Tonio_: Any upload we do now will cause all the images to have to be respun.  I think put it in the known issues for release notes and wait.
[00:57] <Tonio_> ok
[00:57] <vorian> ScottK: yes sir
[00:57] <ScottK> vorian: Thanks.
[00:58] <ScottK> Tonio_: Thanks.  What I can do as an archive admin is pretty limited since non-Canonical employees can't get ssh access.
[00:59] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's no pb :)
[01:00] <Tonio_> ScottK: wiki updated along with kmail sieve issue
[01:01] <ScottK> Tonio_: Great.  Thanks.
[01:01]  * Tonio_ reboots to test latest pnm
[01:06] <Tonio_> dtchen: works for me, except from the icon... there is still a little bug, but it'll get fixed in a couple of days for sure
[01:06] <dtchen> hmm, which icon issue?
[01:07] <dtchen> i.e., the present build in jaunty only displays an icon while associating
[01:07] <Tonio_> dtchen: when connected wireless, you have a blank...
[01:07] <Tonio_> dtchen: connecting wirely gives the correct icon....
[01:07] <dtchen> ah, yes
[01:07] <dtchen> that's the precise issue i see currently
[01:08] <Tonio_> dtchen: no big deal, it'll be fixed soon
[01:08] <dtchen> yeah, i can deal with missing icons ;)
[01:08] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[01:09] <Tonio_> I'd like to test the vpn part of it too.... but I need my company's certificate renewed...
[01:12] <Tonio_> dtchen: did you have to reboot to get pnm to work ?
[01:12] <dtchen> Tonio_: waiting on pbuilder ATM
[01:13] <Tonio_> dtchen: okay, oh so you have the icon issue with yesterday's upload ?
[01:13] <ScottK> kdepim only takes 11 hours to build on armel ....
[01:13] <Tonio_> dtchen: it shouldn't even connect, btw...
[01:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: shame on me.... sorry
[01:14] <ScottK> Tonio_: It needed built anyway, so your upload didn't actually hurt.
[01:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: good you ping me before I uploaded koffice2 :)
[01:14] <ScottK> Is that in Main?
[01:15] <vorian> ScottK: i suppose we could move povray to suggest, but povray is really the reason kpovmodeler exists
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/znAihjFB.html
[01:15] <ScottK> How about change it to depends and move it to multiverse?
[01:15] <ScottK> vorian: ^^
[01:15] <dtchen> Tonio_: yes, with yesterday's. and yesterday's works fine for me (using restricted wl driver) with open, wep, wpa, and wpa2
[01:15] <vorian> ScottK: agreed
[01:15] <ScottK> I think that's actually more user friendly then.
[01:15] <dtchen> brb, testing pbuilt one
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you be interested in committing some kde4-integration goodness for software-properties-kde?
[01:15] <vorian> yep
[01:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: not koffice2, indeed... but koffice is in main afaik
[01:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you move kpovmodeler to multiverse please.
[01:16] <vorian> oh, i was just about to file a bug
[01:16] <vorian> thanks ScottK :)
[01:16] <Tonio_> dtchen: hum strange... didn't work for me at all, but today's fixing my issue...
[01:16] <ScottK> vorian: Do that anyway, he's probably sleeping anyway.
[01:17] <vorian> ok
[01:17] <Tonio_> dtchen: fixing the wiki then :) s/won't connect/may not connect/
[01:18] <ScottK> vorian: Please mention in the bug it needs to be unseeded too.
[01:18] <ScottK> It's on the dvd now.
[01:18] <vorian> ah, ok
[01:19] <ScottK> vorian: I also notice there was an outstanding 'package description is crap' bug and the description will need updating anyway, so would you mind taking a whack at updating your proposed upload while we wait?
[01:19] <vorian> sure thing
[01:19] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:20] <vorian> ScottK: do i need your ack on that bug?
[01:21] <dtchen> Tonio_: pbuilt one exhibits no regressions from yesterday's
[01:21] <Tonio_> great :)
[01:21] <ScottK> vorian: I don't think so.
[01:22] <vorian> ok then
[01:23] <Nightrose> does one of you know what package i need for bonjour support in kopete by any chance?
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> I think we might not have the package needed for bonjour support
[01:24] <Nightrose> it works on my desktop here
[01:24] <Nightrose> but not on my eeepc
[01:24] <Nightrose> so i guess i am missing a package
[01:24] <ScottK> eeepc to small for bonjour.
[01:25] <ScottK> ;-)
[01:25] <Nightrose> :P
[01:25] <Nightrose> adept is not really helping me :/
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe I'm thinking a different protocol
[01:27] <vorian> ScottK: do you have a bug number for the package description? It doesn't seem to be linked to the source package for some reason
[01:27] <ScottK> Maybe I was looking at another one.
[01:28] <ScottK> I was.  Sorry.
[01:28] <vorian> no problemo
[01:28] <ScottK> ETOOMANYPACKAGESTODAY
[01:28] <vorian> hehe
[01:28] <ScottK> I actually didn't upload any today, just piles of lpia and armel retires.
[01:29] <ScottK> I went back and looked and when we did the last set of plasma rebuilds I had 12 packages in a row on jauntu-changes.
[01:38] <vorian> ScottK: http://machine-crusade.net/kpov/ when you have a moment
[02:03] <ScottK> vorian: At this point just wait until it gets moved and you can upload it yourself ....
[02:03] <vorian> ah, true enough
[02:04] <vorian> :)
[02:06] <ScottK> vorian: Did you file the bug? I don't see it,
[02:07] <ScottK> Czessi:
[02:07] <ScottK> Sorry
[02:08] <vorian> bug 325561
[02:09] <vorian> ScottK: ^
[02:26] <EagleScreen> kbluetooth4 which is provided by kdebluetooth 0.3 crash each time I turn off my laptop bluetooth adapter, can you reproduce this?
[02:28] <EagleScreen> if not, where can I obtain debugging symbols to provide a good backtrace?
[02:42] <ScottK> I can reproduce it, but a good bug with a good backtrace would be a good thing.
[02:42] <ScottK> EagleScreen: I think if you install kdebase-workspace-dbg
[02:42] <ScottK> vorian: Thanks.
[02:45] <EagleScreen> ScottK negative, already installed
[02:45] <ScottK> I don't know then.
[02:45]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna.  Maybe he knows.
[02:46] <EagleScreen> then what should I do with this issue?
[02:49] <ScottK> I'd suggest file a bug and see if better instructions appear.
[02:53]  * claydoh takes a step back in time and installs hardy on his new desktop
[02:55] <ScottK> \o/
[02:58] <claydoh> I also posted to the k-u list, there was a question on whether kubuntu would get an 8.04.2 release
[02:58] <ScottK> Thanks.  So now the answer is "If you test it".
[02:59] <claydoh> well right now my old monitor looks better w/hardy and vesa than Intrepid/jaunty with ati or fglrx drivers :)
[03:00] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:00] <claydoh> but that 6 year old crt is in bad shape anyway
[03:01]  * claydoh craves an lcd but has to wait a bit longer
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> I guess the only way for kdebluetooth would be a ddeb
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> which would probably only be available for jaunty
[03:05] <ScottK> Lovely.  Well it's the same kdebluetooth with the same solid-bluetooth patch.
[03:05] <ScottK> I replicated the problem by throwing the 'airplane mode' switch on my laptop.
[03:06] <ScottK> Anyone with Jaunty and Bluetooth?
[03:07] <rgreening> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/113869/
[03:07] <rgreening> I think kdesdk, kdenetwork and kdewebdav still ref libboost-dev which is an issue.
[03:07] <rgreening> I think...
[03:08] <ScottK> Definitely kdenetwork.
[03:08] <rgreening> They don't build in my PPA cause the packages want both libboost-dev and libboost1.35-dev. libboost-dev pulls in libboost1.34-dev
[03:08] <ScottK> I've got a fixed kdenetwork sitting here waiting for the freeze to be over.
[03:08] <rgreening> ok
[03:09] <rgreening> I think kdesdk and webdev exhibit the same
[03:09] <ScottK> Wouldn't suprise me about the others.
[03:10] <rgreening> at least from what I see in the records. should I just change libboost-dev to libboost1.35-dev?
[03:10] <ScottK> Yes, but also check the depends.  Some packages have a hard coded depends on some boost package.
[03:10] <ScottK> If you miss that they will build, just not be installable.
[03:11] <rgreening> let me see what kdesdk shows...
[03:13] <rgreening> ok, kdesdk looks like it just needs one > 1.33
[03:14] <rgreening> so kdesdk will need to be updated. you want em to generate a debdiff?>
[03:16] <rgreening> ScottK ^
[03:16] <ScottK> Is that in Main?
[03:17] <vorian> yeah
[03:17] <ScottK> Yeah, I guess it is.
[03:18] <ScottK> rgreening: Certainly.
[03:18] <rgreening> k .. working...
[03:18] <ScottK> webdev is in Universe, but I think I got that one already.
[03:19] <rgreening> ok
[03:19] <ScottK> Back in a bit.
[03:19] <ScottK> yeah.  I did yesterday.
[04:33] <ScottK> props to claydoh for 8.04.2 test results ....
[04:33] <ScottK> If only he were here.
[04:33]  * ScottK waves to a|wen.
[04:34] <a|wen> hi ScottK
[04:35] <ScottK> \o/ - KDE fully built on armel too.
[04:35] <ScottK> NCommander: ^^^
[04:35] <a|wen> cool
[04:36] <a|wen> my connection broke during the night (~55%), so i'm in the process of rsync'ing the rest of the cd-image now
[04:39] <ScottK> Great.  My post to kubuntuforums has produced the expected amount of help.
[04:40] <a|wen> perfect
[04:40]  * a|wen sees that the mythtv people has rebuild without arts all by themselves :)
[04:41] <ScottK> Excellent.
[04:41] <ScottK> a|wen: Since Lenny is supposed to release on the 14th, Debian people have started looking into dropping arts too.
[04:41] <ScottK> I see you're on the appropriate channel.
[04:42] <ScottK> Please speak up and pass on lesson's learned.
[04:42] <a|wen> oh, perfect ...
[04:43] <a|wen> most is pretty straight forward ... the only real problems was because they were old so they were FTBFS'ing on a no change rebuild in any case
[04:44] <a|wen> ScottK: have you given them the bug number for our bug for arts removal?
[04:44] <ScottK> I did not.
[04:45] <a|wen> my connection comes and goes, so have nothing in my backlog about arts (-kde or -qt-kde channel?)
[04:46] <ScottK> Looks like it was wdgt that was working on it.
[04:47] <ScottK> They aren't in a big rush yet though.
[04:47] <ScottK> It's #debian-qt-kde you want.
[04:54]  * astromme tries to read a few more emails before collapsing into bed
[06:11] <rgreening> fabo: ping
[08:25] <Riddell> morning
[08:25] <Riddell> 14 minutes to download amarok, waa
[08:30] <Riddell> davmor2: almost full test coverage, excellent
[08:31] <davmor2> yes
[08:31] <fabo> rgreening: pong
[08:59] <davmor2> ScottK, Riddell: on a plus side there seem to be no netboot iso's so I might be able to start on kubuntu hardy.2 today :)
[09:00] <Riddell> nixternal: can you add this to the wiki? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdebluetooth-wee.png on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha4/Kubuntu  I can't work out how and I don't have the bandwidth to do so
[09:50] <Mamarok> Riddell: are there already 4.3 packages in the experimental PPA?
[09:51] <Mamarok> my phonon package says 4.3
[09:51] <Riddell> Mamarok: phonon uses a different version scheme
[09:51] <Riddell> dunno if Neon is on trunk yet
[09:51] <Riddell> but I think we should focus on making 4.2 a work of perfection before moving on to 4.3 :)
[09:51] <Mamarok> ok, I don't use Neon, only need a stable 4.2 ATM
[09:52] <Mamarok> +1
[09:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: neon is always trunk
[09:56] <Nightrose> anyone got any idea which package i need for bonjour support in kopete?
[09:56] <Riddell> "crack of the day"
[09:56] <Nightrose> it works on my desktop but not on the eeepc :/
[09:56] <Nightrose> and i can't find the package i am missing
[09:56] <Riddell> Nightrose: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_bonjour.so is included, it ought to just work
[09:57] <Nightrose> mpfh
[09:57] <Nightrose> damn
[09:57]  * Nightrose checks if she has that file
[10:00] <Nightrose> hmmm
[10:00] <Nightrose> i got that file
[10:01]  * Nightrose wonders what else could be wrong
[10:01] <a|wen> Nightrose: firewall?
[10:02] <Nightrose> no it doesn't show up at all as a protokol
[10:02] <Nightrose> in the add account dialog
[10:03] <a|wen> neither here on a intrepid w/4.2
[10:04] <Nightrose> hmmmmm i wonder why it works on my dektop with intrepid and 4.2
[10:05] <Nightrose> can someone else on 4.2 please check if they have bonjour listed?
[10:11] <Riddell> it does seem to be lacking a .desktop file
[10:12] <Riddell> and it's not in the Add Account dialogue in jaunty
[10:12] <Nightrose> aha!
[10:12] <Nightrose> thx Riddell :)
[10:12] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ^ can you have a look?
[10:12]  * Nightrose would love to have bonjour for fosdem
[10:13] <Riddell> Nightrose: add kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_bonjour.desktop into /usr/share/kde4/services/
[10:13] <Riddell> run kbuildsycoca4
[10:13] <Riddell> quit and start kopete
[10:13] <Nightrose> \o/
[10:13] <Nightrose> will try
[10:13] <Nightrose> thy
[10:16] <Nightrose> weheeeeeeee
[10:16]  * Nightrose hugs Riddell
[10:16] <Nightrose> that did it
[10:18] <Nightrose> nice
[10:18] <Nightrose> works like a charm in my lan
[10:22] <Riddell> I wonder if that's a packaging fault of a fault in the kopete build system
[10:32] <Sput> gah, kopete crashes as soon as my collegue with pidgin on windows comes online with bonjour :(
[10:32] <Sput> so FOSDEM could be hard... a single windows user might be able to bring all of us down :)
[10:34] <Nightrose> *lol*
[10:34] <Nightrose> that's hard
[10:34] <Nightrose> but given the audience of fosdem we might be save
[10:34] <Nightrose> :P
[10:36] <Riddell> kget.install:usr/share/kde4/services/kopete_bonjour.desktop
[10:36] <Riddell> what the naach?!
[10:38] <Nightrose> that might explain why it works on my desktop...
[10:38] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:42] <a|wen> ScottK: got the fullscreen problem solved, was compiz interfering... so back to 0 known regressions in 4.1.4, unless more have come up?
[11:11] <ScottK> Not as far as I know.  Great.
[11:12] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for working through that.
[11:14] <ScottK> a|wen: It'd probably be good if you commented in the supposed upstream bug on bugs.kde.org too.
[11:17] <Riddell> Nightrose: fix uploaded to jaunty
[11:18] <Riddell> and I got james to show me how to use bzr-buildpackage, yay
[11:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: great - thx :)
[11:34] <ScottK> a|wen: It looks like Bug #290768 needs verification again before we can copy 4.1.4.  Up for that one?
[12:22] <Tonio_> hi
[12:23] <Tonio_> can people confirm they don't have an icon in PNM when connected wireless ?
[12:23] <Tonio_> I looked at the code and it should work... I'm a bit lost...
[12:32] <Riddell> works for me
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I notice we don't have l10n koffice packaged...
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum local issue then :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is your plan for jaunty ? eventually replace koffice/kde3 or not ? and therefore should I package the langpacks ?
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: and your ppa amarok still depends on libmysqlclient16, which is in universe...
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: seen you updated, trying the last version then :)
[12:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: we do have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice-l10n
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't package the language pack for not, we can do that when koffice 2 is actually released and we replace the KDE 3 version
[12:38] <a|wen> ScottK: i can see that you commented on the upstream bug, and he got it resolved too
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum those are 1.6, that's my point :)
[12:38] <Riddell> s/for not/for now/
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki doki, got it :) I was talking about the koffice2 langpacks, of course :)
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: removed libmysqlclient16 and upgraded amarok, seems to start correctly this time, and my collection is still there ;)
[12:40] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll look at the xine-lib one in a few hours, when i get to my other comp (without all the -experimental packages)
[12:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: yay
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: where will you be at fosdem so that we can meet ? with the kde crew ?
[12:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: at the beer event tonight I hope
[12:44] <Riddell> not tonight, tomorrow
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll arrive on saturday only...
[12:47] <a|wen> ScottK: btw. i can confirm the part about uni-directional transfer only in kde4.2 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172267#c38 ... have you tested receiving from phone on kde4.1.4?
[12:53] <ScottK> I did not.  I'm pretty new to bluetooth and still trying to figure out how it's supposed to work (for one week before the blue4 upgrade for Intrepid I had bluetooth).
[12:53] <ScottK> I confirmed I have at least as much bluetooth as I had before, but not beyond that.
[12:53] <ScottK> I'd mark the current bluetooth situation as definite progress.  Dunno how much.
[12:56] <a|wen> ScottK: it's definite progress, yeah; now something works... but would just note, that it was worth still keeping an eye on that bug
[12:56] <ScottK> Agreed.
[12:56] <ScottK> At this point it'd be better if people filed new bugs.
[12:59] <rgreening> has anyone esle seen packagekit install updates without being told to?
[13:00] <rgreening> ScottK, Riddell, JontheEchidna, Tonio_ ^
[13:00] <a|wen> fully ... let's get the 4.1.4 and kbluetooth0.3 into intrepid-proposed, and ask people kindly to file new bugs from now on
[13:00] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: by default I think there's a setting for that
[13:01] <Tonio_> rgreening: matter of default config, look in systemsettings
[13:01] <rgreening> I had turned it off. THe package seems to override local settings
[13:01] <rgreening> and now its back to security updates installed by default
[13:01] <Tonio_> rgreening: it asks politely for me :)
[13:01] <rgreening> weird.
[13:01] <Tonio_> rgreening: did the package upgrade ?
[13:01] <Tonio_> rgreening: there is kiosk settings for kpackagekit atm...
[13:02] <Tonio_> rgreening: I have to fix this point...
[13:02] <rgreening> Ill try turning it off again.
[13:02] <rgreening> kiosk settings?
[13:03] <Tonio_> kubuntu default settings uses the kiosk mecanism ;)
[13:03] <Tonio_> kiosk is the 3 levels of config mecanism that makes it possible to override the defaults without patching apps, and without touching the user's settings
[13:04] <Tonio_> and also has an override user settings capability
[13:04] <rgreening> which is what appears to have happened for me
[13:04] <rgreening> there was a kds update
[13:04] <rgreening> so that likely triggered it then
[13:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you seem to be doing a great job at keeping KDE Forum posts on Kubuntu answered
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> It helps with stopping disinformation and Kubuntu bashing :P
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: by the way, I couldn't figure out how to kcm-ify software-properties-kde, but I did integrate it further with KDE
[13:07] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'm updating KDS with kpackagekit settings....
[13:07] <Tonio_> rgreening: so that we can test on the live cd for example, default is to auto install security updates
[13:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we probably don't want this by default right ?
[13:08] <rgreening> Riddell: we need up upload update-notifier-kde 0.10 which had the support for updated notification system.
[13:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I prefer to be prompted...
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> All the buttons have KIcons, the gpg key importing dialog is a KFileDialog, and the remove keys button is only active when the keys treeview is clicked, just like the buttons of other treeviews
[13:10] <Riddell> rgreening: oh?  who did that?
[13:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, I'm not sure of the arguments for or against automatic install
[13:10] <rgreening> Riddell: I had a loooooooong time ago.
[13:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: suppose you are about to leave, and you want to shutdown.....
[13:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you might want to discard the update for tomorrow for example...
[13:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: excellent.  did you have any paticular problems with making it a kcontrol module or did you just not know where to start?
[13:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: that would be a problem
[13:13] <rgreening> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk
[13:13] <rgreening> 12 weeks
[13:14] <rgreening> fix was committed re: bug 104411
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I actually can't figure out how to make the GUI abstraction class a child of the SoftwareProperties class and the KCModule class
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> at the same time
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> *SoftwareProptertiesKDE
[13:16] <Riddell> rgreening: poke me into uploading after the alpha is out
[13:16] <rgreening> ok.
[13:16] <rgreening> Riddell: then we need to look at what changes need to be made to make it co-exist/integrate with packagekit
[13:17] <Riddell> rgreening: I was putting that off until packagekit gets into main :)
[13:17] <rgreening> ah. good enough
[13:18] <rgreening> I have a fix I am working on for kpackagekit. It needs an "Edit Software Sources" button to call software-properties-kde
[13:18] <rgreening> under settings
[13:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I would favor kpackagekit asking what to do if you don't mind....
[13:19] <Tonio_> seele: any opinion on that subject ?
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: btw, how did the patch work out?
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> for flash
[13:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think I agree
[13:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Umm.. not building ATM.
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> :(
[13:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I have an error in it. need to review
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> you can do it!
[13:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, changing kds then
[13:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it fine to upload right now or should I discard ? KDS ready here
[13:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: wait
[13:25] <Riddell> alpha not out yet
[13:25] <Tonio_> oki doki
[13:26] <Riddell> so I think I got kdebluetooth to pair with my N810, but I can't get it to do anything else
[13:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: FYI, koffice2 ready too
[13:26]  * Tonio_ can't test kdebluetooth anymore,since the iphone doesn't have bluetooth support....
[13:26]  * Tonio_ can't wait for his n97...
[13:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: fancy doing that koffice 2 package for intrepid too?
[13:27] <Tonio_> yup
[13:27] <Riddell> there's some changes needed but I can't remember what, look at the existing package in kubuntu-experimental or whereever it is
[13:28] <Riddell> allee: fancy updating /usr/bin/kblueplugd?  it still uses dcop
[13:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was about to ask :)
[13:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably no time to do that today, but tomorrow, no pb
[13:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll debdiff for beta5... THAT'LL HELP
[13:29] <Tonio_> oup
[13:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: s/kde/kde4/ is probably a required change, to start with...
[13:30] <ScottK> Riddell: kdenetwork needs the libboost1.35 changes done to it too.  I was holding off on that for the Alpha release though.
[13:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: actually https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/koffice2/1:1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 seems to suggest it doesn't need any changes
[13:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: great, maybe except from the doc path then :) we switched from kde4 to kde with 4.2...
[13:33] <ghostcube> heh german C'T tested 3 distros FC SuSE and Ubuntu the only system that could be upgraded out of the box with no hazle was ubuntu and kubuntu :D
[13:33] <ghostcube> all the others had crashes afterwards
[13:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, yes
[13:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: jaunty version uploading to my ppa for a first test...
[13:34] <Tonio_> local built went find
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: I saw one of the Debian KDE people mention yesterday that they thought Koffice2 as is worked better with KDE4 than the release Koffice.
[13:34] <Riddell> ScottK: you can fix it in bzr though in the mean time (and yes, I entirely forgot the alpha freeze, oops)
[13:34] <ScottK> Perhaps we should just switch.
[13:34] <Riddell> ScottK: maybe, I might ask the koffice pepole at fosdem what they think
[13:34] <ScottK> That'd certainly simplify some things.
[13:35] <Tonio_> ScottK: I really appreciate koffice, so I'll try to use it at work for a week
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> By the way, Qt copy now has patches for systray icons
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> bug 291529
[13:36] <ScottK> Riddell: At a glance it doesn't appear your latest upload is in bzr for kdenetwork.
[13:36] <Riddell> ScottK: oh, hang on
[13:37] <Tonio_> Riddell, ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa to test koffice.... probably toonight, I hope
[13:37] <Riddell> ScottK: pushing, james_w was showing me bzr-buildpackage and did a branch instead of my usual checkout
[13:37] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna: cool this is really nice
[13:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you tested them?
[13:37] <ScottK> I'm about to leave for some meetings and I'll be offline most of the day.
[13:37] <ghostcube> by ScottK
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: nope, I plan to do so soon unless someone else wants to
[13:38] <ScottK> Riddell: The best thing I learned about bzr recently wrt branches was bzr push :parent.
[13:38] <ScottK> Then it just goes back where you branched it from.
[13:38] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna: is there an package to test it i can do later if the icon garbage gets away :D
[13:38] <ghostcube> at work at the moment
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube: I'll definitely put it in my ppa since it'd take many hours for me to build it locally
[13:39] <ghostcube> ok :)
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> you running jaunty?
[13:39] <ghostcube> oh only jaunty ?
[13:39] <ghostcube> iam on intrepid
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> well, I could do both but I'd have to ask to increase my space limit
[13:40] <ghostcube> oh if its too much trouble i can wait till its confimed
[13:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Or start a new team.
[13:40] <ghostcube> :D
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:55] <Riddell> Sime: meet at the beer event tomorrow?
[13:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: are there problems with the ppas ? I can't upload koffice.... it stops arround 30/60%
[13:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: they might be enforcing quotas now, are you over 1GB?
[13:56] <Tonio_> I don't think so... lemme look
[13:56] <Tonio_> no, since I deleted my previous koffice, should feet
[13:57] <Tonio_> I suspect a dput issue.... trying manual upload with konq
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> By the way, the Qt system tray patches are all included in Qt 4.5.0
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> Do we want to patch it now or wait until Qt 4.5 is out and just update?
[14:07] <knusperfrosch> toPyObject segfault on a QVariant in ppa's python-qt4 :(
[14:09]  * JontheEchidna goes ahead and does the systray patches
[14:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's not clear if we'll be using 4.5 or not, we're still to see if it's stable enough
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> OK
[14:10] <glatzor> Riddell, Hello, could you sponsor a new packagekit upload?
[14:12] <Riddell> glatzor: sure
[14:12] <Riddell> infact, I'd love to if it fixes the MIR issues :)
[14:13] <Tonio_> Riddell:     *  Estimated archive size: 534.9 MiB
[14:13] <Tonio_> View build records Copy packages Delete packages
[14:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno what to do.... manual upload with konq also stops....
[14:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: someone to ping for that ?
[14:14] <Riddell> not unless you know where the problem is
[14:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: trying to upload on my ftp... if that works, then ppa's ftp the cause
[14:15] <glatzor> Riddell, which one do you refer? the dbus policies should be sufficient now.
[14:16] <Tonio_> rahhhhhhhh same problem....
[14:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: conclusion : ath9k sucks.... or my ISP sucks....
[14:22] <seele> Tonio_: kpackagekit asking to do what now?
[14:25] <Riddell> seele: to install updates, by default it just installs them without any user intervention
[14:25] <Tonio__> Riddell: uploaded, that's ath9k buffer issue......
[14:26] <Tonio__> Sput:  just found a little usability issue with quassel...
[14:26] <Tonio__> Sput: when the nickname is already in use, you are prompted to type in "/nick newnick"
[14:26] <Tonio__> but it won't let you type anything :)
[14:26] <Sput> ah yes, I wanted to change that to generate a random name
[14:26] <Tonio__> Sput: or let people type in the command, eventually no ?
[14:26] <Sput> once it has tried all your alternative nicks
[14:26] <Sput> yeah, or that :)
[14:27] <Tonio__> Sput: :)
[14:27] <rgreening> Tonio_: I have a new patch for Kpackagekit
[14:27] <Tonio__> rgreening: please send, I'll put on my ppa :)
[14:27] <rgreening> Tonio_: I wrote a patch to add support for "Edit Software Sources" like in Adept
[14:28] <Tonio_> rgreening: you rock :)
[14:28] <rgreening> Tonio_: :)  I'm test building here... it should be fine.. I'll send after test build
[14:28] <Tonio_> rgreening: can you pastebin it to me ?
[14:28] <rgreening> yep. right after I verify all is good.
[14:28] <rgreening> 5 min or so...
[14:31] <seele> Riddell: oh dear, yes.. users must be able to say when they want to install or not. the only "automatic" thing would be checking to see if there are updates to install
[14:33] <ScottK> rgreening: Ask and yea shall receive: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-lpia.iso
[14:39] <rgreening> ScottK: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:39] <rgreening> ScottK: I'm so installing that tonight
[14:40] <rgreening> ScottK: ty for your effort on ports +1,000,000,000...
[14:41] <Riddell> rgreening: what will you install it on?
[14:41] <rgreening> Riddell: I recently purchased an Acer One... Since I had my 17in Laptop at UDS.. it was too much to carry around. The Acer One is a beter option for travel.
[14:49] <rgreening> Tonio_: I have a small issue....
[14:51] <Tonio_> rgreening: ah ?
[14:52] <rgreening> Tonio_: kpackagekit needs to be restarted after install to reload and be able to show the new button. I wonder if we should add a restart/reboot hook
[14:53] <rgreening> prob doesn't matter in the long run......
[14:53]  * JontheEchidna sorta thinks that only the kpackagekit settings should be accessible from systemsettings, not the whole thing
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> package management isn't really a configuration option imo :P
[14:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: That is easy enough to change (I believe) if we want that. I can have a look
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, should be a matter of editing .desktop files
[14:55] <rgreening> Tonio_: how is kpackagekit run from root the first time
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> we should probably ask before we patch though
[14:56] <Riddell> rgreening: what sort of chip does that use?
[14:56] <rgreening> Riddell: Atom (which I assume is lpia?)
[14:56] <Riddell> yes
[14:57] <rgreening> Riddell: cool
[14:57] <rgreening> I installed the regular x86 of Intrepid... runs fine. I hope to squeeze a little more with the lpia
[15:01] <rgreening> Tonio_: another issue. How do I add software-properties-kde to packagekit to allow it to run with admin rights when launched via kpackagekit?
[15:01] <Tonio_> rgreening: easy way -> kdesudo
[15:02] <rgreening> Tonio_: but that will ask user for password right?
[15:02] <Tonio_> rgreening: hard way -> policykit since you'll have to patch kpackagekit templates for policykit and that'll have to be maintained
[15:02] <rgreening> Tonio_: or is that what we want?
[15:02] <Tonio_> rgreening: yeah
[15:02] <Tonio_> best way is going policykit, but that's harder to maintain on the long term :)
[15:04] <rgreening> Tonio_: so the package would then need to dep on kdesudo and software-properties-kde
[15:04] <rgreening> hmm..
[15:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: I think policykit-kde/gnome would need to be updated for the policykit route.
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> patches Qt uploaded to my ppa
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> *patched
[15:09] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: which version and whats the patch
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> 4.4.3, with qt-copy 0269, 270, and 271
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> and crap, I forgot to give it a ~ppan
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> it'll fix systray corruption
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[15:16] <rgreening> Riddell: I have a patch for kpackagekit. The issue is it currently calls software-properties-kde and requires admin privs to do so. So, do I 1) call with kdesuo 2) try and figure out policykit. After that, there is also the question of allowing software-properties-[kde|gtk] in the patch (easy enough I guess) and make the package dep on either or; as well, if we require kdesudo, then it also begs the question of gksu, kdesu...
[15:16] <rgreening> thoughts?
[15:16] <Riddell> rgreening: just use kdesudo I guess
[15:16] <Riddell> we can ask glatzor if he has any plans to port it to policykit
[15:17] <Riddell> ah, hello :)
[15:17] <Riddell> rgreening: use /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu
[15:17] <Riddell> glatzor: have you considered porting software-properties to policykit?
[15:18] <rgreening> glatzor: it would be very nice to have software-properties in policykit.
[15:18] <rgreening> Riddell: any reason for kdesu vs kdesudo? Are we shitching back to kdesu?
[15:18] <rgreening> switching....
[15:19] <Riddell> rgreening: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu is kdesudo (we use dpkg-diverts)
[15:19] <rgreening> oh
[15:19] <Riddell> if you uninstall kdesudo is becomes kdesu again
[15:19] <rgreening> never knew that
[15:40] <Riddell> how do I delete stuff from a PPA?
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> there's a delete page
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> on the web interface
[15:41] <Riddell> oh, I'm not logged in
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> whoa, kdevelop4 beta 1
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> do we want that?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's already in kubuntu-experimental
[15:45] <Riddell> I'm way ahead of you :)
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> well what can you expect from the Kubuntu robot? :P
[15:51] <rgreening> Riddell: there is a dep on adept in update-notifier-kde. That will need to be updated as well for kpackagekit
[15:52] <Riddell> rgreening: only if we still use update-notifier-kde for it
[15:53] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. Well, at the very least, the adept dep will go away along with the bits related to it (whether kpackagekit is integrated or not)
[16:13] <Riddell> fabo, rgreening: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/onwards-and-upwards/ http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/the-new-and-improved-qt-creator-092-rc/
[16:15] <allee> Riddell:  kblueplugd  dcop -> solid port?   Sounds interesting.   I'll have a look if Tonio isn't faster
[16:17] <Riddell> allee: well it only uses dcop to quit the app, that can be ported to dbus easily enough
[16:18] <rgreening> Riddell: cool. dling now
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> hotness
[16:20]  * JontheEchidna might consider upgrading to 4.5 once he's done patching 4.4.3
[16:20] <yao_ziyuan> i'm very interested in "pidgin-knotify" which lets pidgin use kde's knotify notification system to show buddy status changes. it seems to be included in fedora, and i'd like to see it in kubuntu.
[16:21] <Riddell> yao_ziyuan: sounds like a cludge, we have people working on making notifications work across desktops for all apps
[16:21] <yao_ziyuan> Riddell: my dictionary doesn't have 'cludge'...
[16:22] <yao_ziyuan> but i guess you mean 'redundant'?
[16:22] <Riddell> messy fix
[16:22] <allee> Riddell: ah, right.    Btw dbus.   kdbus always hang on startup (since feisty?)  and is kde3.   So maybe time to remove from archive :(
[16:22] <jussi01> Riddell: is the new kdevelop 4 package the kdevelop-kde4 i see?
[16:22] <Riddell> jussi01: yes
[16:23] <Riddell> allee: confirmed, I'll remove it
[16:23] <jussi01> Riddell: thank you. :)
[16:23]  * jussi01 installs...
[16:24] <glatzor> Riddell, rgreening. It is on my agenda to use policykit/dbus for software-properties, but it's already quiet long :)
[16:25] <Riddell> glatzor: no rush :)
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> so who do I speak to to get patches in to software-properties?
[16:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: put them in yourself? :)
[16:26] <rgreening> :)
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'm not a core dev
[16:26] <glatzor> JontheEchidna, mvo
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> glatzor: thanks
[16:31] <rgreening> Riddell: who can upload kpackagekit updates?
[16:32] <Riddell> rgreening: any MOTU
[16:32] <rgreening> ok. JontheEchidna...
[16:32] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I will open a bug report shortly for a patch for kpackagekit
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> ok, I can sponsor
[16:33] <maco> any reports of the battery thing in the notification area showing really insane values in jaunty? like "43%. 7 hours remaining"?
[16:33] <rgreening> k. It adds software-properties-kde support to Settings pane
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> schweet
[16:33] <rgreening> :)
[16:33] <rgreening> who da man
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> you da man
[16:34] <Riddell> maco: no but that would be a hal issue
[16:34] <rgreening> awww yeah
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:34] <rgreening> ;)
[16:34]  * JontheEchidna sends along his improvements patch to mvo
[16:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: after that, I'll get back to the kdelibs flash
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> rgreening++
[16:35] <rgreening> are you able to sponsor that too?
[16:35] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^ I assume yes
[16:35] <Riddell> glatzor: you want me to upload packagekit (0.3.14-0ubuntu1) right?
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> nope, kdelibs is in main
[16:35] <rgreening> oh...
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> a core-dev would need to sponsor it
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> and we're in alpha freeze
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> you could upload it to bzr though
[16:36] <rgreening> k. np it casn go to queue.
[16:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: sure. I'll ping you later about it then...
[16:40] <jussi01> Riddell: did your suggestions make it to the quassel tracker?
[16:40] <Riddell> I've no idea
[16:40] <glatzor> Riddell, could you wait a minute?
[16:40] <maco> Riddell: ok
[16:40] <jussi01> Sput: ^^
[16:41] <Sput> jussi01: no
[16:41]  * jussi01 scrolls back to find them and add them...
[16:42] <rgreening> Riddell / JontheEchidna: bug 320012... does this mean it's in main?
[16:42] <rgreening> or waiting
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> waiting for some packagekit fixes
[16:43] <rgreening> ok
[16:46] <jussi01> Sput: done. basic, but cover it. :)
[16:47] <Sput> cool thx :)
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> ugh, Qt still has another 2 hours to go
[16:57] <smarter> rgreening: planning to package 4.5rc1 ? ;)
[17:05] <glatzor> Riddell, you could upload 0.3.14 now.
[17:05] <glatzor> Riddell, there is an issue with the python client bindings. But they will be fixed later.
[17:06] <glatzor> Riddell, issue means not working :)
[17:15] <rgreening> smarter: YEP
[17:15] <smarter> w00t
[17:15] <rgreening> smarter: working on two other things atm
[17:29] <Tonio_> rgreening: sorry I got isp issue in the middle of the discussion :)
[17:38] <rgreening> np
[17:38] <Tonio_> rgreening: did Riddell give his opinion on the issue ?
[17:39] <rgreening> ya
[17:39] <Tonio_> and ?
[17:39] <rgreening> using kdesu for now
[17:39] <Tonio_> kdesudo way ?
[17:39] <Tonio_> oki
[17:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: in the bug report, should I add udate or patch as a tag?
[17:41] <jjesse> wow downloading alpha4 and getting 5.5KB/sec transfer rate
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: patch, I guess. It doesn't matter too much
[17:43] <rgreening> k
[17:51] <ghostcube> JontheEchidna, is it building on intrepid too ?
[17:51] <ghostcube> *for
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube: Qt?
[17:56] <ghostcube> yes
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> nope, just jaunty
[17:56] <ghostcube> ok :)
[18:03] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the bug for the kpackagekit change is bug 325846, but I still have to add the attachments. I am redoing them now... so shortly. I'll ping ya.
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> k
[18:26] <rgreening> I hate trying to manipulate QStringLists.........grr
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> Qt with systray patches is built for Jaunty in my ppa (echidnaman), if anyone wants to test
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting X
[18:57] <a|wen> ScottK: the xine-lib bug is simply not something i seem to be able to reproduce; i've tried to get xine to crash, but it is simply not possible for me
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> Hmm
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> no more corrupted icons or flickering
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> but now kmail's icon doesn't show
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> the systray icon still works, but no icon
[19:05] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping... bug 325846 updated with appropriate attachments. I added the diff.gz, debdiff and dsc. you need anything else?
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> that should be fine
[19:05] <rgreening> k. upy loady for lots of fun
[19:05] <rgreening> :P
[19:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^^^^
[19:06] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: is going to upload. You should grab the patch, etc from the bug or the upload once done.
[19:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: hu ?
[19:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: testing...
[19:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: for kpackagekit ^
[19:07] <rgreening> :)
[19:07] <Tonio_> rgreening: excellent :)
[19:08] <a|wen> ScottK: and the file sending only being uni-directional is the same in kde4.1.4 ... so behavior in 4.1.4 is at least as good as in kde4.2 :)
[19:09] <Tonio_> rgreening: ouch you patched the sources directly ;)
[19:09] <rgreening> ?
[19:09] <Tonio_> rgreening: I have to rewrite that in the form of a patch then...
[19:09] <rgreening> Tonio_: no
[19:09] <rgreening> Tonio_: there is a patch in the diff.gz
[19:09] <rgreening> or the other diff
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> The patch looks pretty straightforward, nice catch on the duplicate build-dep
[19:10] <Tonio_> ho yeah, sorry
[19:10] <rgreening> :)
[19:10] <rgreening> ty JontheEchidna :)
[19:10]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds
[19:10] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the patch is actually quite simple. I took me a while cause of the kdesu and stupid passing QStringLists around incorrectly...
[19:12] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if you install the deb locally after building, you need to kill all kpackagekit processes or you don't get the new version running with the button.
[19:12] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: or reboot.
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> ok
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> chugging nicely along now
[19:13] <rgreening> should only take a few mins JontheEchidna
[19:13] <rgreening> :P
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> yup, looks like it'll be a short one
[19:13] <rgreening> heh. Now, I need to fix kde4libs with the flash patch... attempt number gazillion
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> 36% built
[19:15] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: should I have subscribed one of the motu addresses to the bug?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu-universe-sponsors, but since you can just ping me here it's not that big of a deal
[19:15] <rgreening> okies. I'll prob go for motu after Jaunty
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> it's mainly a piece of red tape necessary for the larger dev community of ubuntu
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> doesn't hurt to subscribe it though
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> and yes, you should go for motu after jaunty
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> heck, you probably could go for motu right before jaunty since you came in near the end of intrepid
[19:18] <rgreening> I could... I may. I need to read up on a lot and make some more chatter in motu channel :)
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> I'll confess, I only joined #ubuntu-motu a week or so before I made my application. I wouldn't recommend that though :P
[19:18] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'll upload after the freeze, seems good :)
[19:19] <rgreening> Tonio_: JontheEchidna was taking care of it. I just wanted to make you aware as you have a PPA with snapshots in it.
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: is universe affected by the alpha freeze too?
[19:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: for kpackagekit, there is a bzr branch on the packagekit project...
[19:20] <rgreening> I'll let you two hash it out :)
[19:20] <rgreening> hehe
[19:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I have commit access so please let me know when you upload so that I can update the bzr trunk
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, ok. I understand now
[19:20] <rgreening> yay. I get commited
[19:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: no but it'll be promoted soon, there is a MIR fot this one
[19:20] <rgreening> I should be committed
[19:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: have commit access .
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> it's just about done, lintian's going
[19:21] <rgreening> :P
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> lintian just crapped it's pants, lol
[19:21] <rgreening> weird
[19:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: + do you have commit access ?
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> W: kpackagekit: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkpackagekitlib
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> libkpackagekitlib?
[19:22] <rgreening> Tonio_: no, I was making a play on words.
[19:22] <stdin> one day, I will make libliblib a reality ;)
[19:22] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ah...... sorry for my bad english then :)
[19:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if your pbuilder updated
[19:23] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: you probably can ignore that one.... or override if that really matter you :)
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> I'm just wondering why they chose that name...
[19:23] <Tonio_> rgreening: just tested, the patch works like a charm
[19:23] <rgreening> ah
[19:23] <rgreening> Tonio_: sweet stuff
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> heh, love kpackagekit's console output
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> works like a charm here to
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> *too
[19:24] <rgreening> I had a mind to add "Go Go Gadget EditSources!" in my patch
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> lmao
[19:25] <rgreening> But I figured Dr. Claw would ixnay that real quick
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> ok, so I'll upload to Ubuntu then Tonio_ will upload to bzr?
[19:26] <rgreening> sounds good
[19:27] <jpds> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/12
[19:27] <jpds> Gah, sorry.
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_, rgreening: uploaded
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> Thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu
[19:29] <rgreening> coo-coo-coo :)
[19:29] <rgreening> yw
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> A lot of internal errors seem to occur
[19:32] <rgreening> where
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> in kpackagekit
[19:33] <rgreening> like?
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> "the sychronous request took too long, you need to fork
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> "
[19:33] <maco> when suspending in kde, the screen should be locked on resume, right?  (it normally is)
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> not related to your patch though
[19:34] <maco> has anything changed in the kde screensaver (i assume that handles screen lock) in jaunty in the last 2 days that would explain why this time it wasnt locked?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: one thing, software-properties-kde doesn't ask me to reload the package lists after I add a new repo
[19:38] <rgreening> nope. I never added that bit of functionality in.
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> it's built in to s-p-kde
[19:38]  * JontheEchidna wonders why it didn't ask him to reload
[19:38] <rgreening> no I mean I would need to tell it to reload
[19:39] <rgreening> and I didn't
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[19:39] <rgreening> :)
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:39] <rgreening> however, if you go to Updates pane in kpackagekit you update sources there.
[19:39] <rgreening> ie reload.
[19:40] <rgreening> I'll work on a v2 of the patch to see about adding that bit in. It'll be a bit more extensiive to do that
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> you can also turn on/off existing sources in the settings place already... I wonder if it wouldn't be smarter to just remove the "Origin of Packages" groupbox and do all the editing with our app
[19:40] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: it sucks in kpk
[19:40] <jjesse> anyone else using bittorrent to download the alpha?  only getting 1.2kb/sec on transfer :(
[19:40] <rgreening> ya
[19:40] <rgreening> ya to JontheEchidna
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> anyway, the feature is in before feature freeze
[19:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I don't like the origin implementation either.
[19:41] <rgreening> whee
[19:42] <rgreening> I'll look at adding the reload piece, not I have the gutz implemented and the main required functionality.
[19:42] <rgreening> s/not/now
[19:42] <rgreening> but first kde4libs must bend to my will
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> heh
[19:45] <rgreening> ok, uploading again to ppa.... """build for the love of god and all that is good in this souless existance!"""
[19:45] <LaserJock> jjesse: seems like torrents would be a bad idea for Alphas, I wouldn't think you'd ever get enough people to seed
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> anyway, does anybody have time to test my Qt build in Jaunty?
[19:45]  * JontheEchidna is a bit worried since his kmail tray icon is blank
[19:45] <rgreening> I would, but I am running qt4.5.0 and have my kde built agianst it
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> but the flickering and corruption are gone, which is great!
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> in fact, we should just ship the patch and tell our users to cut up a Post-it (tm) note and draw a kmail icon on it, then stick it to their monitor
[19:55] <rgreening> lol
[19:58] <jussi01> can someone tell me what the "working directory" is when you start something from alt+f2? apparently quassel logs there when it crashes...
[20:02] <maco> jussi01: ~/Documents
[20:02] <jussi01> maco: thanks!!!
[20:03] <maco> that reminds me: why is that that kde keeps opening my terminals in ~/Documents instead of ~?
[20:03] <maco> jussi01: guess how i did that? "pwd > ~/Desktop/file" didn't do anything. so i did "touch dirhere" in the krunner then "find . -name dirhere" from ~
[20:04] <jussi01> maco: hehe, I should thought of that.
[20:04] <maco> no, that falls into the non-obvious category
[20:05] <stdin> maco, jussi01: Alt-F2: kdialog --msgbox ${PWD}
[20:05] <stdin> :)
[20:05] <maco> the first one made sense. the way the worked did NOT
[20:05] <maco> kdialog?
[20:05]  * maco goes to the manpages
[20:05] <maco> >< man 7 undocumented
[20:05] <stdin> kdialog gives you a KDE message box
[20:05] <stdin> see kdialog --help
[20:06] <stdin> there was a manpage, but it seems to have gotten lost in kde3 -> kde4
[20:06] <maco> file bug?
[20:06] <smarter> it was probably the same as kdialog --help anyway
[20:06] <stdin> probably
[20:06] <maco> so kdialog is like zenity then?
[20:06] <stdin> yeah, just better
[20:06] <maco> ok
[20:49] <vandenoever> hello my beauties, i've been trying (early, i admit) the kdevelop-kde4 package
[20:49] <vandenoever> it is missing most plugins
[20:49] <vandenoever> so effectively it is not useable except as text editor
[20:55] <Quintasan> How should I name the dir for package made for svn?
[20:55] <Quintasan> from*
[20:55] <Quintasan> <package name>-<revision number>svn?
[20:56] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for looking into it.
[21:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: I recommend either <package name>-<last version>svn<revision number> or <package name>~<next version>svn<revision number>
[21:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: thanks, I'm trying to build rbutil :P
[21:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: I just realized I made a mistake on that.
[21:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: The 2nd one shold be <package name>-<next version>~svn<revision number>
[21:20] <ScottK> And the first one lacks a -
[21:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: dh_make -e <my mail> --createorig will be a good solution?
[21:24]  * ScottK doesn't recall.
[21:25] <ScottK> It's been ages since I actually started with dh_make.  I normally copy a similar package and start with that.
[21:25]  * Lure is glad that he is not alone ;-)
[21:25] <Quintasan> ScottK: I have only the svn code, there was no package :P
[21:26] <knusperfrosch> are i18n packages for 3.5.10 in hardy-backports?
[21:27] <ScottK> knusperfrosch: You want to get 3.5.10 frim hardy-updates
[21:27] <ScottK> Quintasan: If there's never been a release then do 0.0 as release.
[21:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: I mean there was no package for ubuntu
[21:28] <ScottK> Oh.
[21:28] <ScottK> I generally find something I think is similar and start with that.
[21:29] <ScottK> You may not always be able to.
[21:30] <knusperfrosch> ScottK: k, so hardy-updates doesn't ship i18n packages? got 3.5.9 here
[21:30] <ScottK> It may not.
[21:30]  * ScottK looks over at Riddell and wonders if he know.
[21:30] <ScottK> s
[21:30] <Quintasan> Hmm I can compile it by typing qmake and make, the debuild fails to do so :/
[21:31] <Quintasan> $(MAKE) <--- what exacly this does?
[22:06] <stdin> Quintasan: $(MAKE) expends to the make executable, in our case "/usr/bin/make"
[22:30] <ScottK> Riddell: I admire your talent for understatement.
[22:32] <alleeJaunty> Riddell:, Tonio_: kbluetooth4 stops running itself (bug or feature) when the adpater is unpluged/turned off.   If this is by design, there no need to replace the stop via dcop with a dbus equvalent
[22:32] <alleeJaunty> I've asked tpatzig in #kdebluetooth if that's an bug or feature
[22:33] <ScottK> alleeJaunty: It's a bug as it crashes.
[22:34] <alleeJaunty> ScottK: okay
[22:34] <ScottK> alleeJaunty: We were looking for someone on Jaunty to install the needed ddebs and get a proper backtrace
[22:35] <alleeJaunty> ScottK: please refresh my memory how to install ddebs
[22:35] <alleeJaunty> !ddebs
[22:35] <ScottK> I'm glad you knew that one
[22:35] <alleeJaunty> :)
[22:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ We got our kdebluetooth tester.
[22:36]  * alleeJaunty waves
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> yay
[22:41] <alleeJaunty> Is there a neW: Konnte http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages nicht holen  301 Moved Permanently
[22:41] <alleeJaunty> ah: ddebs.ubuntu.com
[22:44] <ScottK> boost transition for kdenetwork is done.
[22:55] <alleeJaunty> ScottK, JontheEchidna: there are only dbg-sym for version 0ubuntu1 for amd64, no 0ubuntu2 yet :(  Strange is that aptitude search kblueooth-dbgsym does not even find the 0ubuntu1 version (maybe bacause it's out of date).   So no dbgsym yet :(
[22:56] <alleeJaunty> kdeblueooth-dbgsym that is
[22:56] <ScottK> The only change was an added bild dep, so it should be fine
[22:56] <ScottK> bild dep/depends
[22:57] <ScottK> obex-data-server, iirc
[22:57] <alleeJaunty> okay, then I'll install 'by hand'.   Ah stop obex-data-server  that the last output before the crash ;)
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> Does anybody here running Jaunty use KMail with its systray icon?
[22:59] <ScottK> Even with obex-data-server installed, it'll still crash.
[22:59]  * ScottK can easily reproduce (on Intrepid) by turning off the 'airplane mode' switch.
[23:00]  * ScottK needs to run off.  Good luck.
[23:00] <alleeJaunty> thx
[23:00]  * JontheEchidna supposes it wouldn't hurt to see if rebooting helps
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> kmail's ok now, must have been a fluke
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> on the down side....
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> the legacy nvidia driver no longer works despite my pinning xserver and the driver before upgrading to intrepid (and it did work for a while...)
[23:16] <alleeJaunty> JontheEchidna: apport seem to ignore the kblueooth4 crashes.  How do I reset so I get a backtrace?
[23:16]  * JontheEchidna disables apport
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> to do that
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> hmm, how do you do that
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> there's a config file you gotta modify somewhere...
[23:19] <rgreening> o/ JontheEchidna
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> \o
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> alleeJaunty: Riddell knows how to disable apport and use the regular KDE crash dialog
[23:21] <rgreening> dam kde4libs still FTBFS
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> I suppose you could uninstall it for the time being
[23:22] <alleeJaunty> JontheEchidna: looks like that's an option: apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_bin_kbluetooth4.1000.crash    bugreport is uploading ...
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the no-systray-garbage patches are working great
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> not even any flickering
[23:24] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: are those patches committed already for Qt 4.5.0
[23:24] <rgreening> I believe they are
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: yes
[23:24] <rgreening> ok
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> if we don't get it in time for jaunty, at least we'll have a nice systray
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> but I do hope we get 4.5 for jaunty
[23:27] <alleeJaunty> JontheEchidna, ScottK: bug 325963
[23:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: will a package named qt4-x11_4.5.0~snapshot be < qt4-x11_4.5.0~rc1 (if its alphabetical it wont be and that is going to be a problem for me)
[23:28] <rgreening> hehe
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> ~snapshot would probably be bigger
[23:28] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: dam
[23:29] <dtchen> use dpkg --compare-versions
[23:29] <dtchen> $ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0~snapshot lt 4.5.0~rc1
[23:29] <dtchen> 1|crimsun@errno:~ $
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> alleeJaunty: could you un-private the bug?
[23:29]  * JontheEchidna can normally see private bugs, this is weird
[23:30] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks for the upload :)
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> lex79: thanks for updating the package
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> alleeJaunty: got it, thanks
[23:31] <alleeJaunty> JontheEchidna: done.  But the stracktrace has not all symbol :(
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[23:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If it was marked security and private you wouldn't be able to see it.
[23:32] <rgreening> dtchen: ty. Indeed ~rc1 > ~snapshot
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> aah, security *and* private
[23:32] <alleeJaunty> installing ddebs with dpkg is no fun :(
[23:34] <rgreening> ScottK: See above discussion about Qt package name. Do you have a recommendation on how to name the rc1 to make it greater than the snapshot? I used ~snapshot
[23:34] <ScottK> Ahh.  Hmmmm
[23:35] <ScottK> ~snapshot+rc1
[23:35] <rgreening> haha
[23:36] <ScottK> Ugly but working.
[23:36] <rgreening> true. ok. I'll use that
[23:36] <rgreening> ty ScottK
[23:36] <ScottK> yw
[23:37] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: thanks for getting my patch uploaded for kpackagekit
[23:37] <lex79> JontheEchidna: when you have time... http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-translatoid
[23:38] <rgreening> ScottK: what about ~+rc1
[23:38] <rgreening> that is > ~snapshot
[23:39] <rgreening> but not as ambiguous
[23:39] <alleeJaunty> JontheEchidna: I've retry tomorrow.  Hopefully then the a proper amd64 ddeb and apt-get does the depencendy jobs for me.  Using dpkg is way to time consuming :(
[23:40] <ScottK> rgreening: Should work.
[23:40] <lex79> rgreening: there is a problem to install libqt4-dbg...do you know?
[23:41] <rgreening> lex79: what problem and which package version?
[23:41] <lex79> libqt4-dbg_4.5.0~snapshot-20090202-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb
[23:41] <lex79> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtXmlPatterns.so.4.5.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-xmlpatterns-dbg
[23:41] <rgreening> 1 sec. I had fixed it
[23:42] <lex79> ok
[23:42] <rgreening> lex79: read the changelog to see if my comment is there or not
[23:42] <lex79> ok
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> oh cool, new beta legacy drivers for xorg 1.6
[23:44] <rgreening> lex79: maybe it isn't 100% gone...
[23:46] <lex79> I don't see your comment
[23:47] <rgreening> hmm.. strange.
[23:47] <lex79> :)
[23:48] <rgreening> at any rate, I confirmed there is still an issue in the package.
[23:48] <rgreening> ty lex79, I'll fix in the rc1 upload
[23:48] <lex79> ok rgreening ;)
[23:49] <Tonio__> koffice on my ppa for testers....
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting X
[23:52] <lex79> anyone: can you sponsor this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lemonpos-kde4/+bug/325153
[23:54] <Tonio__> Riddell: current koffice is not installable due to file conflict between packages.... it is in universe, so I upload right now
[23:55] <rgreening> lex79: The debug change mysteriously disappeared from my repo, eventhough I still have the comments in my log saying I fixed it. hah
[23:59] <lex79> I didn't try 20090203 snapshot
[23:59] <lex79> because in my system kdm doesn't start with 20090202 snapshot :)