[00:16] ScottK: I was just reading through some meeting logs, and I saw that you became an Archive Admin. Congrats! [00:43] ScottK: I just noticed last upload broke some functionnalities in PNM.... those are fixed svn [00:43] ScottK: is that reasonable to upload ? [00:43] ScottK: the bad thing is that I noticed this issue at reboot, it worked after the update... [00:46] Tonio_: i noted as much about 24 hours ago [00:46] dtchen: yeah.... I didn't use wireless since then, and after a simple dpkg -i + plasma restart it worked.... [00:47] sorry, i should have filed a bug, but i've been fighting alsa-kernel [00:47] dtchen: wired networks still worked so I missed that regression.... so bad that it happened in the middle of the freeze [00:47] dtchen: no pb :) the problem was easy to figure out anyway :) [00:47] I'm just wondering if it's sane to upload right now.... [00:48] i'm happy to test if you have a ppa upload handy [00:49] dtchen: I'm building that one locally, but I can send you a deb file in a couple of minutes.. [00:49] dtchen: for some reason, we'll have to reboot to test... [00:49] (ok, i'm on amd64) [00:49] hum..... [00:49] then I need to upload a ppa :) [00:49] i've got a current pbuilder that's churning through pulseaudio, but i'm happy to test [00:49] dtchen: or just upload after deep tests on my side, dunno [00:50] dtchen: lemme send you the source package then [00:50] yeah, url would work dandy [00:51] dtchen: http://planetemu.net/temp/nm [00:53] Tonio_: dgot, thanks [00:53] you're welcome [00:57] Tonio_: Any upload we do now will cause all the images to have to be respun. I think put it in the known issues for release notes and wait. [00:57] ok [00:57] ScottK: yes sir [00:57] vorian: Thanks. [00:58] Tonio_: Thanks. What I can do as an archive admin is pretty limited since non-Canonical employees can't get ssh access. [00:59] ScottK: that's no pb :) [01:00] ScottK: wiki updated along with kmail sieve issue [01:01] Tonio_: Great. Thanks. [01:01] * Tonio_ reboots to test latest pnm [01:06] dtchen: works for me, except from the icon... there is still a little bug, but it'll get fixed in a couple of days for sure [01:06] hmm, which icon issue? [01:07] i.e., the present build in jaunty only displays an icon while associating [01:07] dtchen: when connected wireless, you have a blank... [01:07] dtchen: connecting wirely gives the correct icon.... [01:07] ah, yes [01:07] that's the precise issue i see currently [01:08] dtchen: no big deal, it'll be fixed soon [01:08] yeah, i can deal with missing icons ;) [01:08] hehe :) [01:09] I'd like to test the vpn part of it too.... but I need my company's certificate renewed... [01:12] dtchen: did you have to reboot to get pnm to work ? [01:12] Tonio_: waiting on pbuilder ATM [01:13] dtchen: okay, oh so you have the icon issue with yesterday's upload ? [01:13] kdepim only takes 11 hours to build on armel .... [01:13] dtchen: it shouldn't even connect, btw... [01:13] ScottK: shame on me.... sorry [01:14] Tonio_: It needed built anyway, so your upload didn't actually hurt. [01:14] ScottK: good you ping me before I uploaded koffice2 :) [01:14] Is that in Main? [01:15] ScottK: i suppose we could move povray to suggest, but povray is really the reason kpovmodeler exists [01:15] Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/znAihjFB.html [01:15] How about change it to depends and move it to multiverse? [01:15] vorian: ^^ [01:15] Tonio_: yes, with yesterday's. and yesterday's works fine for me (using restricted wl driver) with open, wep, wpa, and wpa2 [01:15] ScottK: agreed [01:15] I think that's actually more user friendly then. [01:15] brb, testing pbuilt one [01:15] Riddell: would you be interested in committing some kde4-integration goodness for software-properties-kde? [01:15] yep [01:16] ScottK: not koffice2, indeed... but koffice is in main afaik [01:16] Riddell: Would you move kpovmodeler to multiverse please. [01:16] oh, i was just about to file a bug [01:16] thanks ScottK :) [01:16] dtchen: hum strange... didn't work for me at all, but today's fixing my issue... [01:16] vorian: Do that anyway, he's probably sleeping anyway. [01:17] ok [01:17] dtchen: fixing the wiki then :) s/won't connect/may not connect/ [01:18] vorian: Please mention in the bug it needs to be unseeded too. [01:18] It's on the dvd now. [01:18] ah, ok [01:19] vorian: I also notice there was an outstanding 'package description is crap' bug and the description will need updating anyway, so would you mind taking a whack at updating your proposed upload while we wait? [01:19] sure thing [01:19] Thanks. [01:20] ScottK: do i need your ack on that bug? [01:21] Tonio_: pbuilt one exhibits no regressions from yesterday's [01:21] great :) [01:21] vorian: I don't think so. [01:22] ok then [01:23] does one of you know what package i need for bonjour support in kopete by any chance? [01:23] I think we might not have the package needed for bonjour support [01:24] it works on my desktop here [01:24] but not on my eeepc [01:24] so i guess i am missing a package [01:24] eeepc to small for bonjour. [01:25] ;-) [01:25] :P [01:25] adept is not really helping me :/ [01:25] oh, maybe I'm thinking a different protocol [01:27] ScottK: do you have a bug number for the package description? It doesn't seem to be linked to the source package for some reason [01:27] Maybe I was looking at another one. [01:28] I was. Sorry. [01:28] no problemo [01:28] ETOOMANYPACKAGESTODAY [01:28] hehe [01:28] I actually didn't upload any today, just piles of lpia and armel retires. [01:29] I went back and looked and when we did the last set of plasma rebuilds I had 12 packages in a row on jauntu-changes. [01:38] ScottK: http://machine-crusade.net/kpov/ when you have a moment === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [02:03] vorian: At this point just wait until it gets moved and you can upload it yourself .... [02:03] ah, true enough [02:04] :) [02:06] vorian: Did you file the bug? I don't see it, [02:07] Czessi: [02:07] Sorry [02:08] bug 325561 [02:08] Launchpad bug 325561 in kpovmodeler "Please move kpovmodeler from Main to Multiverse" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325561 [02:09] ScottK: ^ [02:26] kbluetooth4 which is provided by kdebluetooth 0.3 crash each time I turn off my laptop bluetooth adapter, can you reproduce this? [02:28] if not, where can I obtain debugging symbols to provide a good backtrace? [02:42] I can reproduce it, but a good bug with a good backtrace would be a good thing. [02:42] EagleScreen: I think if you install kdebase-workspace-dbg [02:42] vorian: Thanks. [02:45] ScottK negative, already installed [02:45] I don't know then. [02:45] * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna. Maybe he knows. [02:46] then what should I do with this issue? [02:49] I'd suggest file a bug and see if better instructions appear. [02:53] * claydoh takes a step back in time and installs hardy on his new desktop [02:55] \o/ [02:58] I also posted to the k-u list, there was a question on whether kubuntu would get an 8.04.2 release [02:58] Thanks. So now the answer is "If you test it". [02:59] well right now my old monitor looks better w/hardy and vesa than Intrepid/jaunty with ati or fglrx drivers :) [03:00] ;-) [03:00] but that 6 year old crt is in bad shape anyway [03:01] * claydoh craves an lcd but has to wait a bit longer [03:04] I guess the only way for kdebluetooth would be a ddeb [03:04] which would probably only be available for jaunty [03:05] Lovely. Well it's the same kdebluetooth with the same solid-bluetooth patch. [03:05] I replicated the problem by throwing the 'airplane mode' switch on my laptop. [03:06] Anyone with Jaunty and Bluetooth? [03:07] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/113869/ [03:07] I think kdesdk, kdenetwork and kdewebdav still ref libboost-dev which is an issue. [03:07] I think... [03:08] Definitely kdenetwork. [03:08] They don't build in my PPA cause the packages want both libboost-dev and libboost1.35-dev. libboost-dev pulls in libboost1.34-dev [03:08] I've got a fixed kdenetwork sitting here waiting for the freeze to be over. [03:08] ok [03:09] I think kdesdk and webdev exhibit the same [03:09] Wouldn't suprise me about the others. [03:10] at least from what I see in the records. should I just change libboost-dev to libboost1.35-dev? [03:10] Yes, but also check the depends. Some packages have a hard coded depends on some boost package. [03:10] If you miss that they will build, just not be installable. [03:11] let me see what kdesdk shows... [03:13] ok, kdesdk looks like it just needs one > 1.33 [03:14] so kdesdk will need to be updated. you want em to generate a debdiff?> [03:16] ScottK ^ [03:16] Is that in Main? [03:17] yeah [03:17] Yeah, I guess it is. [03:18] rgreening: Certainly. [03:18] k .. working... [03:18] webdev is in Universe, but I think I got that one already. [03:19] ok [03:19] Back in a bit. [03:19] yeah. I did yesterday. [04:33] props to claydoh for 8.04.2 test results .... [04:33] If only he were here. [04:33] * ScottK waves to a|wen. [04:34] hi ScottK [04:35] \o/ - KDE fully built on armel too. [04:35] NCommander: ^^^ [04:35] cool [04:36] my connection broke during the night (~55%), so i'm in the process of rsync'ing the rest of the cd-image now [04:39] Great. My post to kubuntuforums has produced the expected amount of help. [04:40] perfect [04:40] * a|wen sees that the mythtv people has rebuild without arts all by themselves :) [04:41] Excellent. [04:41] a|wen: Since Lenny is supposed to release on the 14th, Debian people have started looking into dropping arts too. [04:41] I see you're on the appropriate channel. [04:42] Please speak up and pass on lesson's learned. [04:42] oh, perfect ... [04:43] most is pretty straight forward ... the only real problems was because they were old so they were FTBFS'ing on a no change rebuild in any case [04:44] ScottK: have you given them the bug number for our bug for arts removal? [04:44] I did not. [04:45] my connection comes and goes, so have nothing in my backlog about arts (-kde or -qt-kde channel?) [04:46] Looks like it was wdgt that was working on it. [04:47] They aren't in a big rush yet though. [04:47] It's #debian-qt-kde you want. [04:54] * astromme tries to read a few more emails before collapsing into bed === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [06:11] fabo: ping [08:25] morning [08:25] 14 minutes to download amarok, waa [08:30] davmor2: almost full test coverage, excellent [08:31] yes [08:31] rgreening: pong [08:59] ScottK, Riddell: on a plus side there seem to be no netboot iso's so I might be able to start on kubuntu hardy.2 today :) [09:00] nixternal: can you add this to the wiki? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdebluetooth-wee.png on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha4/Kubuntu I can't work out how and I don't have the bandwidth to do so [09:50] Riddell: are there already 4.3 packages in the experimental PPA? [09:51] my phonon package says 4.3 [09:51] Mamarok: phonon uses a different version scheme [09:51] dunno if Neon is on trunk yet [09:51] but I think we should focus on making 4.2 a work of perfection before moving on to 4.3 :) [09:51] ok, I don't use Neon, only need a stable 4.2 ATM [09:52] +1 [09:56] Riddell: neon is always trunk [09:56] anyone got any idea which package i need for bonjour support in kopete? [09:56] "crack of the day" [09:56] it works on my desktop but not on the eeepc :/ [09:56] and i can't find the package i am missing [09:56] Nightrose: /usr/lib/kde4/kopete_bonjour.so is included, it ought to just work [09:57] mpfh [09:57] damn [09:57] * Nightrose checks if she has that file [10:00] hmmm [10:00] i got that file [10:01] * Nightrose wonders what else could be wrong [10:01] Nightrose: firewall? [10:02] no it doesn't show up at all as a protokol [10:02] in the add account dialog [10:03] neither here on a intrepid w/4.2 [10:04] hmmmmm i wonder why it works on my dektop with intrepid and 4.2 [10:05] can someone else on 4.2 please check if they have bonjour listed? [10:11] it does seem to be lacking a .desktop file [10:12] and it's not in the Add Account dialogue in jaunty [10:12] aha! [10:12] thx Riddell :) [10:12] JontheEchidna: ^ can you have a look? [10:12] * Nightrose would love to have bonjour for fosdem [10:13] Nightrose: add kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kopete_bonjour.desktop into /usr/share/kde4/services/ [10:13] run kbuildsycoca4 [10:13] quit and start kopete [10:13] \o/ [10:13] will try [10:13] thy [10:16] weheeeeeeee [10:16] * Nightrose hugs Riddell [10:16] that did it [10:18] nice [10:18] works like a charm in my lan [10:22] I wonder if that's a packaging fault of a fault in the kopete build system [10:32] gah, kopete crashes as soon as my collegue with pidgin on windows comes online with bonjour :( [10:32] so FOSDEM could be hard... a single windows user might be able to bring all of us down :) [10:34] *lol* [10:34] that's hard [10:34] but given the audience of fosdem we might be save [10:34] :P [10:36] kget.install:usr/share/kde4/services/kopete_bonjour.desktop [10:36] what the naach?! [10:38] that might explain why it works on my desktop... [10:38] ;-) [10:42] ScottK: got the fullscreen problem solved, was compiz interfering... so back to 0 known regressions in 4.1.4, unless more have come up? [11:11] Not as far as I know. Great. [11:12] a|wen: Thanks for working through that. [11:14] a|wen: It'd probably be good if you commented in the supposed upstream bug on bugs.kde.org too. [11:17] Nightrose: fix uploaded to jaunty [11:18] and I got james to show me how to use bzr-buildpackage, yay [11:33] Riddell: great - thx :) [11:34] a|wen: It looks like Bug #290768 needs verification again before we can copy 4.1.4. Up for that one? [11:34] Launchpad bug 290768 in xine-lib "C format string specifications mismatch in translations crashes libxine based apps in some loales" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290768 [12:22] hi [12:23] can people confirm they don't have an icon in PNM when connected wireless ? [12:23] I looked at the code and it should work... I'm a bit lost... [12:32] works for me [12:32] Riddell: I notice we don't have l10n koffice packaged... [12:32] Riddell: hum local issue then :) [12:33] Riddell: what is your plan for jaunty ? eventually replace koffice/kde3 or not ? and therefore should I package the langpacks ? [12:35] Riddell: and your ppa amarok still depends on libmysqlclient16, which is in universe... [12:37] Riddell: seen you updated, trying the last version then :) [12:37] Tonio_: we do have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice-l10n [12:38] Tonio_: don't package the language pack for not, we can do that when koffice 2 is actually released and we replace the KDE 3 version [12:38] ScottK: i can see that you commented on the upstream bug, and he got it resolved too [12:38] Riddell: hum those are 1.6, that's my point :) [12:38] s/for not/for now/ [12:39] Riddell: oki doki, got it :) I was talking about the koffice2 langpacks, of course :) [12:40] Riddell: removed libmysqlclient16 and upgraded amarok, seems to start correctly this time, and my collection is still there ;) [12:40] ScottK: i'll look at the xine-lib one in a few hours, when i get to my other comp (without all the -experimental packages) [12:43] Tonio_: yay === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [12:43] Riddell: where will you be at fosdem so that we can meet ? with the kde crew ? [12:44] Tonio_: at the beer event tonight I hope [12:44] not tonight, tomorrow [12:45] Riddell: I'll arrive on saturday only... [12:47] ScottK: btw. i can confirm the part about uni-directional transfer only in kde4.2 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172267#c38 ... have you tested receiving from phone on kde4.1.4? [12:47] KDE bug 172267 in general "KDE bluetooth tray applet doesn't appear" [Crash,New] [12:53] I did not. I'm pretty new to bluetooth and still trying to figure out how it's supposed to work (for one week before the blue4 upgrade for Intrepid I had bluetooth). [12:53] I confirmed I have at least as much bluetooth as I had before, but not beyond that. [12:53] I'd mark the current bluetooth situation as definite progress. Dunno how much. [12:56] ScottK: it's definite progress, yeah; now something works... but would just note, that it was worth still keeping an eye on that bug [12:56] Agreed. [12:56] At this point it'd be better if people filed new bugs. [12:59] has anyone esle seen packagekit install updates without being told to? [13:00] ScottK, Riddell, JontheEchidna, Tonio_ ^ [13:00] fully ... let's get the 4.1.4 and kbluetooth0.3 into intrepid-proposed, and ask people kindly to file new bugs from now on [13:00] rgreening: by default I think there's a setting for that [13:01] rgreening: matter of default config, look in systemsettings [13:01] I had turned it off. THe package seems to override local settings [13:01] and now its back to security updates installed by default [13:01] rgreening: it asks politely for me :) [13:01] weird. [13:01] rgreening: did the package upgrade ? [13:01] rgreening: there is kiosk settings for kpackagekit atm... [13:02] rgreening: I have to fix this point... [13:02] Ill try turning it off again. [13:02] kiosk settings? [13:03] kubuntu default settings uses the kiosk mecanism ;) [13:03] kiosk is the 3 levels of config mecanism that makes it possible to override the defaults without patching apps, and without touching the user's settings [13:04] and also has an override user settings capability [13:04] which is what appears to have happened for me [13:04] there was a kds update [13:04] so that likely triggered it then [13:04] JontheEchidna: you seem to be doing a great job at keeping KDE Forum posts on Kubuntu answered [13:05] Thanks [13:05] It helps with stopping disinformation and Kubuntu bashing :P [13:07] Riddell: by the way, I couldn't figure out how to kcm-ify software-properties-kde, but I did integrate it further with KDE [13:07] rgreening: I'm updating KDS with kpackagekit settings.... [13:07] rgreening: so that we can test on the live cd for example, default is to auto install security updates [13:07] Riddell: we probably don't want this by default right ? [13:08] Riddell: we need up upload update-notifier-kde 0.10 which had the support for updated notification system. [13:08] Riddell: I prefer to be prompted... [13:08] All the buttons have KIcons, the gpg key importing dialog is a KFileDialog, and the remove keys button is only active when the keys treeview is clicked, just like the buttons of other treeviews [13:10] rgreening: oh? who did that? [13:10] Tonio_: dunno, I'm not sure of the arguments for or against automatic install [13:10] Riddell: I had a loooooooong time ago. [13:10] Riddell: suppose you are about to leave, and you want to shutdown..... [13:11] Riddell: you might want to discard the update for tomorrow for example... [13:11] JontheEchidna: excellent. did you have any paticular problems with making it a kcontrol module or did you just not know where to start? [13:11] Tonio_: that would be a problem [13:13] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk [13:13] 12 weeks [13:14] fix was committed re: bug 104411 [13:14] Launchpad bug 104411 in update-notifier-kde "Adept notifer should use KNotify to notify updates" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104411 [13:14] Riddell: I actually can't figure out how to make the GUI abstraction class a child of the SoftwareProperties class and the KCModule class [13:15] at the same time [13:15] *SoftwareProptertiesKDE [13:16] rgreening: poke me into uploading after the alpha is out [13:16] ok. [13:16] Riddell: then we need to look at what changes need to be made to make it co-exist/integrate with packagekit [13:17] rgreening: I was putting that off until packagekit gets into main :) [13:17] ah. good enough [13:18] I have a fix I am working on for kpackagekit. It needs an "Edit Software Sources" button to call software-properties-kde [13:18] under settings [13:18] Riddell: I would favor kpackagekit asking what to do if you don't mind.... [13:19] seele: any opinion on that subject ? [13:19] rgreening: btw, how did the patch work out? [13:19] for flash [13:19] Tonio_: I think I agree [13:19] JontheEchidna: Umm.. not building ATM. [13:19] :( [13:20] JontheEchidna: I have an error in it. need to review [13:20] you can do it! [13:20] Riddell: oki, changing kds then [13:23] Riddell: is it fine to upload right now or should I discard ? KDS ready here [13:25] Tonio_: wait [13:25] alpha not out yet [13:25] oki doki [13:26] so I think I got kdebluetooth to pair with my N810, but I can't get it to do anything else [13:26] Riddell: FYI, koffice2 ready too [13:26] * Tonio_ can't test kdebluetooth anymore,since the iphone doesn't have bluetooth support.... [13:26] * Tonio_ can't wait for his n97... [13:27] Tonio_: fancy doing that koffice 2 package for intrepid too? [13:27] yup [13:27] there's some changes needed but I can't remember what, look at the existing package in kubuntu-experimental or whereever it is [13:28] allee: fancy updating /usr/bin/kblueplugd? it still uses dcop [13:28] Riddell: I was about to ask :) [13:28] Riddell: probably no time to do that today, but tomorrow, no pb [13:28] Riddell: I'll debdiff for beta5... THAT'LL HELP [13:29] oup [13:30] Riddell: s/kde/kde4/ is probably a required change, to start with... [13:30] Riddell: kdenetwork needs the libboost1.35 changes done to it too. I was holding off on that for the Alpha release though. [13:32] Tonio_: actually https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/koffice2/1:1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 seems to suggest it doesn't need any changes [13:32] Riddell: great, maybe except from the doc path then :) we switched from kde4 to kde with 4.2... [13:33] heh german C'T tested 3 distros FC SuSE and Ubuntu the only system that could be upgraded out of the box with no hazle was ubuntu and kubuntu :D [13:33] all the others had crashes afterwards [13:33] Tonio_: hmm, yes [13:33] Riddell: jaunty version uploading to my ppa for a first test... [13:34] local built went find [13:34] Riddell: I saw one of the Debian KDE people mention yesterday that they thought Koffice2 as is worked better with KDE4 than the release Koffice. [13:34] ScottK: you can fix it in bzr though in the mean time (and yes, I entirely forgot the alpha freeze, oops) [13:34] Perhaps we should just switch. [13:34] ScottK: maybe, I might ask the koffice pepole at fosdem what they think [13:34] That'd certainly simplify some things. [13:35] ScottK: I really appreciate koffice, so I'll try to use it at work for a week [13:35] By the way, Qt copy now has patches for systray icons [13:35] bug 291529 [13:35] Launchpad bug 291529 in qt4-x11 "Notification area visually corrupted when using qt4 applications (Skype)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291529 [13:36] Riddell: At a glance it doesn't appear your latest upload is in bzr for kdenetwork. [13:36] ScottK: oh, hang on [13:37] Riddell, ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~tonio/+archive/ppa to test koffice.... probably toonight, I hope [13:37] ScottK: pushing, james_w was showing me bzr-buildpackage and did a branch instead of my usual checkout [13:37] JontheEchidna: cool this is really nice [13:37] JontheEchidna: have you tested them? [13:37] I'm about to leave for some meetings and I'll be offline most of the day. [13:37] by ScottK [13:37] Riddell: nope, I plan to do so soon unless someone else wants to [13:38] Riddell: The best thing I learned about bzr recently wrt branches was bzr push :parent. [13:38] Then it just goes back where you branched it from. [13:38] JontheEchidna: is there an package to test it i can do later if the icon garbage gets away :D [13:38] at work at the moment [13:39] ghostcube: I'll definitely put it in my ppa since it'd take many hours for me to build it locally [13:39] ok :) [13:39] you running jaunty? [13:39] oh only jaunty ? [13:39] iam on intrepid [13:39] well, I could do both but I'd have to ask to increase my space limit [13:40] oh if its too much trouble i can wait till its confimed [13:40] JontheEchidna: Or start a new team. [13:40] :D [13:41] heh [13:55] Sime: meet at the beer event tomorrow? [13:55] Riddell: are there problems with the ppas ? I can't upload koffice.... it stops arround 30/60% [13:55] Tonio_: they might be enforcing quotas now, are you over 1GB? [13:56] I don't think so... lemme look [13:56] no, since I deleted my previous koffice, should feet [13:57] I suspect a dput issue.... trying manual upload with konq [14:04] By the way, the Qt system tray patches are all included in Qt 4.5.0 === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:04] Do we want to patch it now or wait until Qt 4.5 is out and just update? [14:07] toPyObject segfault on a QVariant in ppa's python-qt4 :( [14:09] * JontheEchidna goes ahead and does the systray patches [14:09] JontheEchidna: it's not clear if we'll be using 4.5 or not, we're still to see if it's stable enough [14:10] OK [14:10] Riddell, Hello, could you sponsor a new packagekit upload? [14:12] glatzor: sure [14:12] infact, I'd love to if it fixes the MIR issues :) [14:13] Riddell: * Estimated archive size: 534.9 MiB [14:13] View build records Copy packages Delete packages [14:13] Riddell: dunno what to do.... manual upload with konq also stops.... [14:13] Riddell: someone to ping for that ? [14:14] not unless you know where the problem is [14:14] Riddell: trying to upload on my ftp... if that works, then ppa's ftp the cause [14:15] Riddell, which one do you refer? the dbus policies should be sufficient now. [14:16] rahhhhhhhh same problem.... [14:16] Riddell: conclusion : ath9k sucks.... or my ISP sucks.... === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:22] Tonio_: kpackagekit asking to do what now? [14:25] seele: to install updates, by default it just installs them without any user intervention [14:25] Riddell: uploaded, that's ath9k buffer issue...... [14:26] Sput: just found a little usability issue with quassel... [14:26] Sput: when the nickname is already in use, you are prompted to type in "/nick newnick" [14:26] but it won't let you type anything :) [14:26] ah yes, I wanted to change that to generate a random name [14:26] Sput: or let people type in the command, eventually no ? [14:26] once it has tried all your alternative nicks [14:26] yeah, or that :) [14:27] Sput: :) [14:27] Tonio_: I have a new patch for Kpackagekit [14:27] rgreening: please send, I'll put on my ppa :) === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [14:27] Tonio_: I wrote a patch to add support for "Edit Software Sources" like in Adept [14:28] rgreening: you rock :) [14:28] Tonio_: :) I'm test building here... it should be fine.. I'll send after test build [14:28] rgreening: can you pastebin it to me ? [14:28] yep. right after I verify all is good. [14:28] 5 min or so... [14:31] Riddell: oh dear, yes.. users must be able to say when they want to install or not. the only "automatic" thing would be checking to see if there are updates to install [14:33] rgreening: Ask and yea shall receive: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-lpia.iso [14:39] ScottK: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:39] ScottK: I'm so installing that tonight [14:40] ScottK: ty for your effort on ports +1,000,000,000... [14:41] rgreening: what will you install it on? [14:41] Riddell: I recently purchased an Acer One... Since I had my 17in Laptop at UDS.. it was too much to carry around. The Acer One is a beter option for travel. [14:49] Tonio_: I have a small issue.... [14:51] rgreening: ah ? [14:52] Tonio_: kpackagekit needs to be restarted after install to reload and be able to show the new button. I wonder if we should add a restart/reboot hook [14:53] prob doesn't matter in the long run...... [14:53] * JontheEchidna sorta thinks that only the kpackagekit settings should be accessible from systemsettings, not the whole thing [14:54] package management isn't really a configuration option imo :P [14:55] JontheEchidna: That is easy enough to change (I believe) if we want that. I can have a look [14:55] yeah, should be a matter of editing .desktop files [14:55] Tonio_: how is kpackagekit run from root the first time [14:55] we should probably ask before we patch though [14:56] rgreening: what sort of chip does that use? [14:56] Riddell: Atom (which I assume is lpia?) [14:56] yes [14:57] Riddell: cool [14:57] I installed the regular x86 of Intrepid... runs fine. I hope to squeeze a little more with the lpia [15:01] Tonio_: another issue. How do I add software-properties-kde to packagekit to allow it to run with admin rights when launched via kpackagekit? [15:01] rgreening: easy way -> kdesudo [15:02] Tonio_: but that will ask user for password right? [15:02] rgreening: hard way -> policykit since you'll have to patch kpackagekit templates for policykit and that'll have to be maintained [15:02] Tonio_: or is that what we want? [15:02] rgreening: yeah [15:02] best way is going policykit, but that's harder to maintain on the long term :) [15:04] Tonio_: so the package would then need to dep on kdesudo and software-properties-kde [15:04] hmm.. [15:06] Tonio_: I think policykit-kde/gnome would need to be updated for the policykit route. [15:07] patches Qt uploaded to my ppa [15:07] *patched [15:09] JontheEchidna: which version and whats the patch [15:10] 4.4.3, with qt-copy 0269, 270, and 271 [15:10] and crap, I forgot to give it a ~ppan [15:11] it'll fix systray corruption [15:12] bbiab [15:16] Riddell: I have a patch for kpackagekit. The issue is it currently calls software-properties-kde and requires admin privs to do so. So, do I 1) call with kdesuo 2) try and figure out policykit. After that, there is also the question of allowing software-properties-[kde|gtk] in the patch (easy enough I guess) and make the package dep on either or; as well, if we require kdesudo, then it also begs the question of gksu, kdesu... [15:16] thoughts? [15:16] rgreening: just use kdesudo I guess [15:16] we can ask glatzor if he has any plans to port it to policykit [15:17] ah, hello :) [15:17] rgreening: use /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu [15:17] glatzor: have you considered porting software-properties to policykit? [15:18] glatzor: it would be very nice to have software-properties in policykit. [15:18] Riddell: any reason for kdesu vs kdesudo? Are we shitching back to kdesu? [15:18] switching.... [15:19] rgreening: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu is kdesudo (we use dpkg-diverts) [15:19] oh [15:19] if you uninstall kdesudo is becomes kdesu again [15:19] never knew that [15:40] how do I delete stuff from a PPA? [15:41] there's a delete page [15:41] on the web interface [15:41] oh, I'm not logged in [15:43] whoa, kdevelop4 beta 1 [15:43] do we want that? [15:44] oh, it's already in kubuntu-experimental [15:45] I'm way ahead of you :) [15:45] well what can you expect from the Kubuntu robot? :P [15:51] Riddell: there is a dep on adept in update-notifier-kde. That will need to be updated as well for kpackagekit [15:52] rgreening: only if we still use update-notifier-kde for it [15:53] Riddell: ok. Well, at the very least, the adept dep will go away along with the bits related to it (whether kpackagekit is integrated or not) === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [16:13] fabo, rgreening: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/onwards-and-upwards/ http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/the-new-and-improved-qt-creator-092-rc/ [16:15] Riddell: kblueplugd dcop -> solid port? Sounds interesting. I'll have a look if Tonio isn't faster [16:17] allee: well it only uses dcop to quit the app, that can be ported to dbus easily enough [16:18] Riddell: cool. dling now [16:19] hotness [16:20] * JontheEchidna might consider upgrading to 4.5 once he's done patching 4.4.3 [16:20] i'm very interested in "pidgin-knotify" which lets pidgin use kde's knotify notification system to show buddy status changes. it seems to be included in fedora, and i'd like to see it in kubuntu. [16:21] yao_ziyuan: sounds like a cludge, we have people working on making notifications work across desktops for all apps [16:21] Riddell: my dictionary doesn't have 'cludge'... [16:22] but i guess you mean 'redundant'? [16:22] messy fix [16:22] Riddell: ah, right. Btw dbus. kdbus always hang on startup (since feisty?) and is kde3. So maybe time to remove from archive :( [16:22] Riddell: is the new kdevelop 4 package the kdevelop-kde4 i see? [16:22] jussi01: yes [16:23] allee: confirmed, I'll remove it === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [16:23] Riddell: thank you. :) [16:23] * jussi01 installs... [16:24] Riddell, rgreening. It is on my agenda to use policykit/dbus for software-properties, but it's already quiet long :) [16:25] glatzor: no rush :) [16:25] so who do I speak to to get patches in to software-properties? [16:26] JontheEchidna: put them in yourself? :) [16:26] :) [16:26] Riddell: I'm not a core dev [16:26] JontheEchidna, mvo [16:26] glatzor: thanks [16:31] Riddell: who can upload kpackagekit updates? [16:32] rgreening: any MOTU [16:32] ok. JontheEchidna... [16:32] JontheEchidna: I will open a bug report shortly for a patch for kpackagekit [16:33] ok, I can sponsor [16:33] any reports of the battery thing in the notification area showing really insane values in jaunty? like "43%. 7 hours remaining"? [16:33] k. It adds software-properties-kde support to Settings pane [16:33] schweet [16:33] :) [16:33] who da man [16:34] you da man [16:34] maco: no but that would be a hal issue [16:34] awww yeah [16:34] lol [16:34] ;) [16:34] * JontheEchidna sends along his improvements patch to mvo [16:34] JontheEchidna: after that, I'll get back to the kdelibs flash [16:34] rgreening++ [16:35] are you able to sponsor that too? [16:35] JontheEchidna: ^ I assume yes [16:35] glatzor: you want me to upload packagekit (0.3.14-0ubuntu1) right? [16:35] nope, kdelibs is in main [16:35] oh... [16:35] a core-dev would need to sponsor it [16:35] and we're in alpha freeze [16:36] you could upload it to bzr though [16:36] k. np it casn go to queue. [16:36] JontheEchidna: sure. I'll ping you later about it then... [16:40] Riddell: did your suggestions make it to the quassel tracker? [16:40] I've no idea [16:40] Riddell, could you wait a minute? [16:40] Riddell: ok [16:40] Sput: ^^ [16:41] jussi01: no [16:41] * jussi01 scrolls back to find them and add them... [16:42] Riddell / JontheEchidna: bug 320012... does this mean it's in main? [16:42] Launchpad bug 320012 in kpackagekit "main inclusion report for kpackagekit" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320012 [16:42] or waiting [16:43] waiting for some packagekit fixes [16:43] ok [16:46] Sput: done. basic, but cover it. :) [16:47] cool thx :) [16:55] ugh, Qt still has another 2 hours to go [16:57] rgreening: planning to package 4.5rc1 ? ;) [17:05] Riddell, you could upload 0.3.14 now. [17:05] Riddell, there is an issue with the python client bindings. But they will be fixed later. [17:06] Riddell, issue means not working :) [17:15] smarter: YEP [17:15] w00t [17:15] smarter: working on two other things atm [17:29] rgreening: sorry I got isp issue in the middle of the discussion :) [17:38] np [17:38] rgreening: did Riddell give his opinion on the issue ? [17:39] ya [17:39] and ? [17:39] using kdesu for now [17:39] kdesudo way ? [17:39] oki [17:41] JontheEchidna: in the bug report, should I add udate or patch as a tag? [17:41] wow downloading alpha4 and getting 5.5KB/sec transfer rate [17:41] rgreening: patch, I guess. It doesn't matter too much [17:43] k [17:51] JontheEchidna, is it building on intrepid too ? [17:51] *for [17:56] ghostcube: Qt? [17:56] yes [17:56] nope, just jaunty [17:56] ok :) [18:03] JontheEchidna: the bug for the kpackagekit change is bug 325846, but I still have to add the attachments. I am redoing them now... so shortly. I'll ping ya. [18:03] Launchpad bug 325846 in kpackagekit "Add support for editing software properties via software-properties-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325846 [18:03] k [18:26] I hate trying to manipulate QStringLists.........grr [18:29] Qt with systray patches is built for Jaunty in my ppa (echidnaman), if anyone wants to test [18:57] brb, restarting X [18:57] ScottK: the xine-lib bug is simply not something i seem to be able to reproduce; i've tried to get xine to crash, but it is simply not possible for me [19:02] Hmm [19:02] no more corrupted icons or flickering [19:03] but now kmail's icon doesn't show [19:03] the systray icon still works, but no icon [19:05] JontheEchidna: ping... bug 325846 updated with appropriate attachments. I added the diff.gz, debdiff and dsc. you need anything else? [19:05] Launchpad bug 325846 in kpackagekit "Add support for editing software properties via software-properties-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325846 [19:05] that should be fine [19:05] k. upy loady for lots of fun [19:05] :P [19:06] Tonio_: ^^^^ [19:06] JontheEchidna: is going to upload. You should grab the patch, etc from the bug or the upload once done. [19:06] rgreening: hu ? [19:06] rgreening: testing... [19:06] Tonio_: for kpackagekit ^ [19:07] :) [19:07] rgreening: excellent :) [19:08] ScottK: and the file sending only being uni-directional is the same in kde4.1.4 ... so behavior in 4.1.4 is at least as good as in kde4.2 :) [19:09] rgreening: ouch you patched the sources directly ;) [19:09] ? [19:09] rgreening: I have to rewrite that in the form of a patch then... [19:09] Tonio_: no [19:09] Tonio_: there is a patch in the diff.gz [19:09] or the other diff [19:09] The patch looks pretty straightforward, nice catch on the duplicate build-dep [19:10] ho yeah, sorry [19:10] :) [19:10] ty JontheEchidna :) [19:10] * JontheEchidna testbuilds [19:10] JontheEchidna: the patch is actually quite simple. I took me a while cause of the kdesu and stupid passing QStringLists around incorrectly... [19:12] JontheEchidna: if you install the deb locally after building, you need to kill all kpackagekit processes or you don't get the new version running with the button. [19:12] JontheEchidna: or reboot. [19:12] ok [19:12] chugging nicely along now [19:13] should only take a few mins JontheEchidna [19:13] :P [19:13] yup, looks like it'll be a short one [19:13] heh. Now, I need to fix kde4libs with the flash patch... attempt number gazillion [19:13] lol [19:14] 36% built [19:15] JontheEchidna: should I have subscribed one of the motu addresses to the bug? [19:15] ubuntu-universe-sponsors, but since you can just ping me here it's not that big of a deal [19:15] okies. I'll prob go for motu after Jaunty [19:16] it's mainly a piece of red tape necessary for the larger dev community of ubuntu [19:16] doesn't hurt to subscribe it though [19:16] and yes, you should go for motu after jaunty [19:17] heck, you probably could go for motu right before jaunty since you came in near the end of intrepid [19:18] I could... I may. I need to read up on a lot and make some more chatter in motu channel :) [19:18] I'll confess, I only joined #ubuntu-motu a week or so before I made my application. I wouldn't recommend that though :P [19:18] rgreening: I'll upload after the freeze, seems good :) [19:19] Tonio_: JontheEchidna was taking care of it. I just wanted to make you aware as you have a PPA with snapshots in it. [19:19] Tonio_: is universe affected by the alpha freeze too? [19:19] JontheEchidna: for kpackagekit, there is a bzr branch on the packagekit project... [19:20] I'll let you two hash it out :) [19:20] hehe [19:20] JontheEchidna: I have commit access so please let me know when you upload so that I can update the bzr trunk [19:20] oh, ok. I understand now [19:20] yay. I get commited [19:20] JontheEchidna: no but it'll be promoted soon, there is a MIR fot this one [19:20] I should be committed [19:21] rgreening: have commit access . [19:21] it's just about done, lintian's going [19:21] :P [19:21] lintian just crapped it's pants, lol [19:21] weird [19:21] rgreening: + do you have commit access ? [19:21] O.o [19:22] W: kpackagekit: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkpackagekitlib [19:22] libkpackagekitlib? [19:22] Tonio_: no, I was making a play on words. [19:22] one day, I will make libliblib a reality ;) [19:22] JontheEchidna: ah...... sorry for my bad english then :) [19:22] JontheEchidna: if your pbuilder updated [19:23] JontheEchidna: you probably can ignore that one.... or override if that really matter you :) [19:23] I'm just wondering why they chose that name... [19:23] rgreening: just tested, the patch works like a charm [19:23] ah [19:23] Tonio_: sweet stuff [19:23] heh, love kpackagekit's console output === Parafeed_ is now known as Parafeed [19:24] works like a charm here to [19:24] *too [19:24] I had a mind to add "Go Go Gadget EditSources!" in my patch [19:24] lmao [19:25] But I figured Dr. Claw would ixnay that real quick [19:25] ok, so I'll upload to Ubuntu then Tonio_ will upload to bzr? [19:26] sounds good [19:27] ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/12 [19:27] Gah, sorry. [19:28] Tonio_, rgreening: uploaded [19:29] Thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu [19:29] coo-coo-coo :) [19:29] yw [19:32] A lot of internal errors seem to occur [19:32] where [19:33] in kpackagekit [19:33] like? [19:33] "the sychronous request took too long, you need to fork [19:33] " [19:33] when suspending in kde, the screen should be locked on resume, right? (it normally is) [19:33] not related to your patch though [19:34] has anything changed in the kde screensaver (i assume that handles screen lock) in jaunty in the last 2 days that would explain why this time it wasnt locked? [19:37] rgreening: one thing, software-properties-kde doesn't ask me to reload the package lists after I add a new repo [19:38] nope. I never added that bit of functionality in. [19:38] it's built in to s-p-kde [19:38] * JontheEchidna wonders why it didn't ask him to reload [19:38] no I mean I would need to tell it to reload [19:39] and I didn't [19:39] oh, right [19:39] :) [19:39] hmm [19:39] however, if you go to Updates pane in kpackagekit you update sources there. [19:39] ie reload. [19:40] I'll work on a v2 of the patch to see about adding that bit in. It'll be a bit more extensiive to do that [19:40] you can also turn on/off existing sources in the settings place already... I wonder if it wouldn't be smarter to just remove the "Origin of Packages" groupbox and do all the editing with our app [19:40] JontheEchidna: it sucks in kpk [19:40] anyone else using bittorrent to download the alpha? only getting 1.2kb/sec on transfer :( [19:40] ya [19:40] ya to JontheEchidna [19:41] anyway, the feature is in before feature freeze [19:41] JontheEchidna: I don't like the origin implementation either. [19:41] whee [19:42] I'll look at adding the reload piece, not I have the gutz implemented and the main required functionality. [19:42] s/not/now [19:42] but first kde4libs must bend to my will [19:42] heh [19:45] ok, uploading again to ppa.... """build for the love of god and all that is good in this souless existance!""" [19:45] jjesse: seems like torrents would be a bad idea for Alphas, I wouldn't think you'd ever get enough people to seed [19:45] anyway, does anybody have time to test my Qt build in Jaunty? [19:45] * JontheEchidna is a bit worried since his kmail tray icon is blank [19:45] I would, but I am running qt4.5.0 and have my kde built agianst it [19:47] but the flickering and corruption are gone, which is great! [19:48] in fact, we should just ship the patch and tell our users to cut up a Post-it (tm) note and draw a kmail icon on it, then stick it to their monitor [19:55] lol [19:58] can someone tell me what the "working directory" is when you start something from alt+f2? apparently quassel logs there when it crashes... [20:02] jussi01: ~/Documents [20:02] maco: thanks!!! [20:03] that reminds me: why is that that kde keeps opening my terminals in ~/Documents instead of ~? [20:03] jussi01: guess how i did that? "pwd > ~/Desktop/file" didn't do anything. so i did "touch dirhere" in the krunner then "find . -name dirhere" from ~ [20:04] maco: hehe, I should thought of that. [20:04] no, that falls into the non-obvious category [20:05] maco, jussi01: Alt-F2: kdialog --msgbox ${PWD} [20:05] :) [20:05] the first one made sense. the way the worked did NOT [20:05] kdialog? [20:05] * maco goes to the manpages [20:05] >< man 7 undocumented [20:05] kdialog gives you a KDE message box [20:05] see kdialog --help [20:06] there was a manpage, but it seems to have gotten lost in kde3 -> kde4 [20:06] file bug? [20:06] it was probably the same as kdialog --help anyway [20:06] probably [20:06] so kdialog is like zenity then? [20:06] yeah, just better [20:06] ok [20:49] hello my beauties, i've been trying (early, i admit) the kdevelop-kde4 package [20:49] it is missing most plugins [20:49] so effectively it is not useable except as text editor [20:55] How should I name the dir for package made for svn? [20:55] from* [20:55] -svn? [20:56] a|wen: Thanks for looking into it. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Alpha-4 released - Release notes at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JauntyJackalope/Alpha4/Kubuntu | ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [21:16] Quintasan: I recommend either -svn or ~svn [21:19] ScottK: thanks, I'm trying to build rbutil :P [21:20] Quintasan: I just realized I made a mistake on that. [21:20] Quintasan: The 2nd one shold be -~svn [21:20] And the first one lacks a - [21:23] ScottK: dh_make -e --createorig will be a good solution? [21:24] * ScottK doesn't recall. [21:25] It's been ages since I actually started with dh_make. I normally copy a similar package and start with that. [21:25] * Lure is glad that he is not alone ;-) [21:25] ScottK: I have only the svn code, there was no package :P [21:26] are i18n packages for 3.5.10 in hardy-backports? [21:27] knusperfrosch: You want to get 3.5.10 frim hardy-updates [21:27] Quintasan: If there's never been a release then do 0.0 as release. [21:28] ScottK: I mean there was no package for ubuntu [21:28] Oh. [21:28] I generally find something I think is similar and start with that. [21:29] You may not always be able to. [21:30] ScottK: k, so hardy-updates doesn't ship i18n packages? got 3.5.9 here [21:30] It may not. [21:30] * ScottK looks over at Riddell and wonders if he know. [21:30] s [21:30] Hmm I can compile it by typing qmake and make, the debuild fails to do so :/ [21:31] $(MAKE) <--- what exacly this does? [22:06] Quintasan: $(MAKE) expends to the make executable, in our case "/usr/bin/make" === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio__ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [22:30] Riddell: I admire your talent for understatement. [22:32] Riddell:, Tonio_: kbluetooth4 stops running itself (bug or feature) when the adpater is unpluged/turned off. If this is by design, there no need to replace the stop via dcop with a dbus equvalent [22:32] I've asked tpatzig in #kdebluetooth if that's an bug or feature [22:33] alleeJaunty: It's a bug as it crashes. [22:34] ScottK: okay [22:34] alleeJaunty: We were looking for someone on Jaunty to install the needed ddebs and get a proper backtrace [22:35] ScottK: please refresh my memory how to install ddebs [22:35] !ddebs [22:35] ddebs is See http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/ and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-September/000195.html for documentation [22:35] I'm glad you knew that one [22:35] :) [22:36] JontheEchidna: ^^^ We got our kdebluetooth tester. [22:36] * alleeJaunty waves [22:37] yay [22:41] Is there a neW: Konnte http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages nicht holen 301 Moved Permanently [22:41] ah: ddebs.ubuntu.com [22:44] boost transition for kdenetwork is done. [22:55] ScottK, JontheEchidna: there are only dbg-sym for version 0ubuntu1 for amd64, no 0ubuntu2 yet :( Strange is that aptitude search kblueooth-dbgsym does not even find the 0ubuntu1 version (maybe bacause it's out of date). So no dbgsym yet :( [22:56] kdeblueooth-dbgsym that is [22:56] The only change was an added bild dep, so it should be fine [22:56] bild dep/depends [22:57] obex-data-server, iirc [22:57] okay, then I'll install 'by hand'. Ah stop obex-data-server that the last output before the crash ;) [22:58] Does anybody here running Jaunty use KMail with its systray icon? [22:59] Even with obex-data-server installed, it'll still crash. [22:59] * ScottK can easily reproduce (on Intrepid) by turning off the 'airplane mode' switch. [23:00] * ScottK needs to run off. Good luck. [23:00] thx [23:00] * JontheEchidna supposes it wouldn't hurt to see if rebooting helps [23:15] kmail's ok now, must have been a fluke [23:15] on the down side.... [23:16] the legacy nvidia driver no longer works despite my pinning xserver and the driver before upgrading to intrepid (and it did work for a while...) [23:16] JontheEchidna: apport seem to ignore the kblueooth4 crashes. How do I reset so I get a backtrace? [23:16] * JontheEchidna disables apport [23:17] to do that [23:17] hmm, how do you do that [23:18] there's a config file you gotta modify somewhere... [23:19] o/ JontheEchidna [23:19] \o [23:21] alleeJaunty: Riddell knows how to disable apport and use the regular KDE crash dialog [23:21] dam kde4libs still FTBFS [23:21] I suppose you could uninstall it for the time being [23:22] JontheEchidna: looks like that's an option: apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_bin_kbluetooth4.1000.crash bugreport is uploading ... [23:24] Riddell: the no-systray-garbage patches are working great [23:24] not even any flickering [23:24] JontheEchidna: are those patches committed already for Qt 4.5.0 [23:24] I believe they are [23:24] rgreening: yes [23:24] ok [23:25] if we don't get it in time for jaunty, at least we'll have a nice systray [23:25] but I do hope we get 4.5 for jaunty [23:27] JontheEchidna, ScottK: bug 325963 [23:27] Bug 325963 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/325963 is private [23:27] JontheEchidna: will a package named qt4-x11_4.5.0~snapshot be < qt4-x11_4.5.0~rc1 (if its alphabetical it wont be and that is going to be a problem for me) [23:28] hehe [23:28] ~snapshot would probably be bigger [23:28] JontheEchidna: dam [23:29] use dpkg --compare-versions [23:29] $ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0~snapshot lt 4.5.0~rc1 [23:29] 1|crimsun@errno:~ $ [23:29] alleeJaunty: could you un-private the bug? [23:29] * JontheEchidna can normally see private bugs, this is weird [23:30] JontheEchidna: thanks for the upload :) [23:30] lex79: thanks for updating the package [23:31] alleeJaunty: got it, thanks [23:31] JontheEchidna: done. But the stracktrace has not all symbol :( [23:31] yeah :( [23:32] JontheEchidna: If it was marked security and private you wouldn't be able to see it. [23:32] dtchen: ty. Indeed ~rc1 > ~snapshot [23:32] aah, security *and* private [23:32] installing ddebs with dpkg is no fun :( [23:34] ScottK: See above discussion about Qt package name. Do you have a recommendation on how to name the rc1 to make it greater than the snapshot? I used ~snapshot [23:34] Ahh. Hmmmm [23:35] ~snapshot+rc1 [23:35] haha [23:36] Ugly but working. [23:36] true. ok. I'll use that [23:36] ty ScottK [23:36] yw [23:37] JontheEchidna: thanks for getting my patch uploaded for kpackagekit [23:37] JontheEchidna: when you have time... http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-translatoid [23:38] ScottK: what about ~+rc1 [23:38] that is > ~snapshot [23:39] but not as ambiguous [23:39] JontheEchidna: I've retry tomorrow. Hopefully then the a proper amd64 ddeb and apt-get does the depencendy jobs for me. Using dpkg is way to time consuming :( [23:40] rgreening: Should work. [23:40] rgreening: there is a problem to install libqt4-dbg...do you know? [23:41] lex79: what problem and which package version? [23:41] libqt4-dbg_4.5.0~snapshot-20090202-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb [23:41] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtXmlPatterns.so.4.5.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-xmlpatterns-dbg [23:41] 1 sec. I had fixed it [23:42] ok [23:42] lex79: read the changelog to see if my comment is there or not [23:42] ok [23:43] oh cool, new beta legacy drivers for xorg 1.6 [23:44] lex79: maybe it isn't 100% gone... [23:46] I don't see your comment [23:47] hmm.. strange. [23:47] :) [23:48] at any rate, I confirmed there is still an issue in the package. [23:48] ty lex79, I'll fix in the rc1 upload [23:48] ok rgreening ;) [23:49] koffice on my ppa for testers.... [23:50] brb, restarting X [23:52] anyone: can you sponsor this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lemonpos-kde4/+bug/325153 [23:52] Launchpad bug 325153 in lemonpos-kde4 "New upstream release 0.6.1" [Undecided,New] [23:54] Riddell: current koffice is not installable due to file conflict between packages.... it is in universe, so I upload right now [23:55] lex79: The debug change mysteriously disappeared from my repo, eventhough I still have the comments in my log saying I fixed it. hah [23:59] I didn't try 20090203 snapshot [23:59] because in my system kdm doesn't start with 20090202 snapshot :)