| fta | [reed], would it be possible to have revids somewhere in http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushlog ? | 00:27 |
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| fta | in addition to those ugly changesets | 00:27 |
| fta | asac, 1st round, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 00:41 |
| fta | asac, i just started my improved bot with just xul/ff 3.2, daily for now | 00:42 |
| fta | this is for hardy->jaunty | 00:43 |
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| [reed] | fta: does http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml have what you need? | 02:17 |
| [reed] | oh, that's not a feed | 02:17 |
| fta | i don't really need a feed | 02:18 |
| fta | i need a way to get the revid of the tip with the date | 02:19 |
| fta | preferably in a unique timezone, unlike what is available today | 02:19 |
| fta | the xml feed is fine for the date but lack the rev id | 02:19 |
| [reed] | file a bug under mozilla.org :: Hg Customizations | 02:20 |
| wikz | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449691 | 07:15 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 449691 in Mail Window Front End "improved message (view) reader pane" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 07:15 |
| asac | fta: yeah. when i wanted to commit it the tree was frozen | 08:04 |
| asac | fta: so how much mem do we need ffor the daily ppa? | 08:09 |
| mpt | rheet | 08:19 |
| fta | hi | 08:31 |
| fta | asac, depends, what for? the ppa size, or archives? | 08:32 |
| fta | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 08:32 |
| asac | fta: 20:22 < toddw> asac: for the Python, Komodo requires a shared Python build (which should be okay as system Python) | 08:32 |
| asac | 20:23 < toddw> asac: then the build scripts "build.py" would need to be tweaked to override the siloedPython setup | 08:33 |
| fta | just xul + ff = 1G already | 08:33 |
| asac | i guess that doesnt really help though | 08:33 |
| asac | fta: yeah. so what size should we ask for to get started? | 08:33 |
| asac | 20? | 08:33 |
| fta | depends of what we want to put in there | 08:35 |
| asac | 50? | 08:37 |
| fta | lol, 20 is enough, as there's only two versions of each binary at any given time (and only 1 once the superseded ones are removed) | 08:40 |
| asac | fta: really? ... ok. thought we would at least have abit of history | 08:42 |
| fta | we want to but that's not how the ppa quota is working, afaik | 08:42 |
| fta | archives in librarian is a different thing | 08:43 |
| fta | this is 30 days max of superseded binaries | 08:43 |
| fta | disregarding the size | 08:43 |
| fta | if we want more, we need to backup those ourselves, or request an exception | 08:44 |
| asac | yeah | 08:46 |
| asac | so you say the superseeded bits are not in the quota | 08:47 |
| asac | ? | 08:47 |
| fta | i think so | 08:47 |
| fta | but maybe i'm wrong | 08:48 |
| asac | ok. i will tell mrevell that we want 20 | 08:48 |
| fta | Bug 316773 :( | 09:09 |
| ubottu | Bug 316773 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/316773 is private | 09:09 |
| asac | what bug is that=? | 09:20 |
| asac | i mean ... how did you get it? | 09:20 |
| fta | i filed it | 09:20 |
| asac | fta: i think we should also do comm-central nighlies | 09:20 |
| asac | fta: why did you mark it private? | 09:20 |
| fta | security | 09:21 |
| fta | it was about branch whiteboards editable by anyone | 09:21 |
| fta | it's Won't Fix now | 09:21 |
| asac | thats not security ;) ... really | 09:21 |
| asac | open it up | 09:21 |
| asac | at least its not severe enough to hide it ;) | 09:21 |
| fta | bug 316773 | 09:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 316773 in launchpad-bazaar "branch whiteboards should be editable only by their owners" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/316773 | 09:22 |
| fta | still security but visible now | 09:22 |
| asac | yeah | 09:23 |
| asac | thx | 09:23 |
| asac | hmm ... i think both side have valid arguments | 09:24 |
| asac | imo everybody should be able to add stuff to whiteboard | 09:24 |
| asac | but not overwrite old things | 09:24 |
| asac | fta: i think we want dailies for tbird 3 and ffox 3.1 too | 09:26 |
| asac | that should be enough i guess | 09:26 |
| asac | otoh ... having 3.0 too would be nice | 09:26 |
| fta | if i'm upstream, i don't want anyone not in the team touching to the whiteboards | 09:29 |
| fta | for the dailies, yes, sure, i just want to be sure my bot won't do nasty things | 09:33 |
| asac | fta: cool | 09:33 |
| asac | fta: ok commented on bug | 09:33 |
| asac | fta: imo if they dont reconsider wont fix we should open a bug that allows branch owners to disable whiteboard | 09:34 |
| fta | asac, at what time do we want the bot to run? midnight? noon? | 09:49 |
| fta | 4am? | 09:49 |
| asac | fta: yeah 4am is a good time i think ;) ... so we have an update every morning ;) | 09:53 |
| asac | for breakfast | 09:53 |
| fta | remember i don't test build, it also means FTBFS for breakfast | 09:54 |
| mconnor | mpt: so, if you're not at FOSDEM, will you be back in London next week? | 10:06 |
| mconnor | we could discuss this in front of a whiteboard, or over pints, or both :) | 10:06 |
| mpt | Hi mconnor, I don't think I'll be going to Fosdem, but yes I will be in London next week | 10:10 |
| mpt | Would be good to meet you and discuss this more | 10:10 |
| mconnor | mpt: where is Canonical, anyway? I have an appt in Soho Monday morning, and theoretically flying home Wednesday, but that's all up in the air | 10:12 |
| mpt | mconnor, Millbank Tower, just south of Westminster | 10:12 |
| mconnor | hmm | 10:14 |
| mconnor | I just realized I have no idea how far apart those are! | 10:14 |
| mpt | How far apart they are depends on whether it's snowing ;-) | 10:15 |
| mconnor | haha | 10:15 |
| mconnor | I'm Canadian, I'm used to snow | 10:16 |
| mconnor | also, isn't that the point of, y'know, a subway system? | 10:16 |
| mpt | No, it isn't <http://severe-delays.livejournal.com/67893.html> | 10:16 |
| mpt | (summary: if subway drivers can't get to the station, there's no-one to drive the trains) | 10:17 |
| mconnor | haha | 10:17 |
| mconnor | rock | 10:17 |
| mpt | With buses running, though, Soho Square to Millbank Tower takes about 40 minutes | 10:18 |
| mconnor | hmm, that's entirely doable | 10:18 |
| mconnor | what about to LHR from there? | 10:20 |
| mconnor | I was kinda thinking I'd take the Monday night flight home instead, if I can make that workable and still get stuff done :) | 10:20 |
| mpt | Depends on your budget. 1h20m to Terminal 1/2/3 if you're ok with shelling out £16.50 for the Heathrow Express. 1h30m with £6.90 for the Heathrow Connect. | 10:23 |
| mpt | (Either way, add about 5 minutes for Terminal 4 or 5.) | 10:24 |
| mconnor | ten pounds to save ten minutes seems excessive, wow | 10:25 |
| mconnor | I guess location matters | 10:25 |
| mconnor | mpt: dare I ask what an airport car costs? | 10:26 |
| mconnor | since driving is apparently 34 minutes with traffic | 10:27 |
| mpt | That I don't know, sorry, your googling would be as good as mine | 10:27 |
| mconnor | hmm | 10:28 |
| mconnor | 37 pounds | 10:28 |
| mconnor | that seems reasonable-ish to save an hour, given what I'm spending already to be in London... | 10:29 |
| mconnor | or I can just fly home Tuesday and spend Monday night in a nice pub :) | 10:30 |
| asac | good to see that you two are going to discuss this. Thanks! | 11:14 |
| gnomefreak | :( | 12:19 |
| gnomefreak | anyone have a clue as to where i can change where the quoted text is in TB. I want my message to be above quoted text but cant seem to find the setting | 13:08 |
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| gnomefreak | asac: fta anyway to generate upstream tarball using the version in debian/changelog? | 14:44 |
| asac | gnomefreak: just use the date term there | 14:45 |
| asac | and use DEBIAN_DATE=xxxxxxxxtyyyyyy | 14:45 |
| fta | depends if it comes from a tag or not | 14:45 |
| gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/616311 using from what #bzr told me to try | 14:46 |
| gnomefreak | seamonkey-2.0: remote site does not even have current version << bothers me the most from the error | 14:47 |
| fta | debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_DATE=20090201r1815 | 14:52 |
| gnomefreak | thanks trying now | 14:53 |
| gnomefreak | i thought DD used =20090301txxxx | 15:01 |
| gnomefreak | but r is working fine it looks | 15:01 |
| fta | it does, but from cvs only, for all other vcs that has a concept of revision id, it's 'r' (revision) instead of 't' (time) | 15:01 |
| fta | -from+for | 15:02 |
| fta | have | 15:02 |
| gnomefreak | ah thanks i saved it in my file for commands and friends | 15:05 |
| asac | fta: may i upload latest 3.1.head? | 15:35 |
| asac | or do you want to do that? | 15:36 |
| fta | I can do it but it's a snapshot | 15:36 |
| asac | fta: just do ... i mean the b3 will be out soon | 15:36 |
| asac | and we can bump again then | 15:36 |
| fta | ok | 15:36 |
| asac | its just that i need unversioned .pc files so seb can esily test ephy | 15:36 |
| asac | thanks | 15:36 |
| saivann | asac : ping | 15:38 |
| asac | saivann: png | 15:38 |
| saivann | asac : I'm about to have lightning-extension-locales and sunbird-locales ready for jaunty (in around 1 hour). I'll subscribe you to bug 324635 so you can review the packages. | 15:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 324635 in sunbird-locales "lightning-extension-locales needs update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324635 | 15:39 |
| asac | saivann: ok thanks. also add info what you did for testing | 15:39 |
| asac | fta: oh ... is .head already psat b3? | 15:40 |
| saivann | asac : I will do, thanks :) | 15:40 |
| asac | or still b3 pre? | 15:40 |
| * asac wonders whether they did a mini branch on 1.9.1 branch for b3 | 15:40 | |
| fta | i don't think so | 15:40 |
| asac | ok | 15:40 |
| asac | then all fine | 15:40 |
| asac | fta: just push the stuff ... and tell me when you hvae closed -devscripts | 15:40 |
| fta | will do | 15:42 |
| fta | i'm sick of fighting with gvfs: gnome bug 570659 | 15:42 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 570659 in webdav backend "davs not working with gvfs" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570659 | 15:42 |
| asac | hmm | 15:50 |
| asac | @time | 16:15 |
| fta | asac, can we push m-d now? i mean, with the freeze going on | 16:36 |
| saivann | asac : the locales are ready for your review : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sunbird-locales/+bug/324635 | 16:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 324635 in sunbird-locales "lightning-extension-locales needs update" [High,In progress] | 16:38 |
| asac | fta: oh ... good point ;) | 16:38 |
| asac | fta: its not on CD though | 16:38 |
| asac | fta: if its closed i will push it together with sec update to jaunty | 16:38 |
| asac | either tonight or tomorr morning | 16:38 |
| fta | asac, ok, what do you need, just the branch or a diff.gz/dsc | 16:41 |
| asac | fta: ok its open | 16:47 |
| asac | fta: i just need moz-devscript branch with closed changelog on top | 16:47 |
| fta | Pushed up to revision 195. | 16:48 |
| asac | ok updating from lp:mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts | 16:49 |
| fta | ~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts/ | 16:49 |
| fta | yep | 16:49 |
| fta | oh, in xul 1.9.1, i have -testsuite* now.. it means 2 NEW bin | 16:50 |
| fta | asac, too bad the testsuite package is not fully operational | 16:52 |
| asac | fta: what is Carp? | 16:52 |
| fta | in perl? | 16:52 |
| asac | fta: thats not a problem | 16:52 |
| asac | fta: just push now | 16:53 |
| asac | i have all the folks around here to push that through | 16:53 |
| asac | fta: yes | 16:53 |
| asac | fta: maybe check that we really have removed the versions from the .pc files on 1.9.1 | 16:53 |
| fta | Carp is a module providing carp/cluck/croak/confess, ~ equiv of warn/die for classes/objects | 16:54 |
| asac | hmm | 16:54 |
| asac | ok | 16:54 |
| asac | not sure what that is though ;) | 16:54 |
| asac | sounds cryptic ;) | 16:54 |
| fta | it reports errors from perspective of the caller | 16:55 |
| fta | and even provides a stack trace | 16:55 |
| fta | man Carp (if you have perl-doc installed) | 16:56 |
| asac | ok ;) | 16:56 |
| asac | i think the info you gave is enough ;) | 16:56 |
| asac | fta: done | 16:58 |
| fta | with warn and die, you see the file/lineno of that particular line, you sometimes want to expose the caller instead, or a full stack | 16:58 |
| fta | thanks | 16:58 |
| asac | fta: two weeks until feature freeze | 17:00 |
| asac | 10 days even | 17:00 |
| asac | hmm ... two weeks ;) | 17:00 |
| asac | :-P | 17:00 |
| asac | ok trying uxa now | 17:01 |
| asac | for intel cards | 17:01 |
| asac | (new accellmethod) | 17:01 |
| fta | asac, 1.9.1~b3~hg20090117r22878 not the freshest but it will do | 17:07 |
| fta | pushing the huge xul... | 17:10 |
| fta | i should update prism too. it's damn old :( | 17:11 |
| fta | asac, xul 1.9.1 is still b3pre upstream | 20:54 |
| asac | fta: fine | 20:58 |
| asac | i think its safe to deliver that to jaunty then ;) | 20:58 |
| fta | i pushed the one that was in my ppa | 21:00 |
| asac | good | 21:01 |
| asac | fta: did you also push ffox or just xul? | 21:01 |
| fta | both | 21:02 |
| fta | otherwise, gre would have failed | 21:02 |
| fta | b2 vs b3pre | 21:02 |
| asac | yeah | 21:02 |
| asac | ok | 21:02 |
| fta | it's nice to push those tarballs in 1sec :) | 21:08 |
| asac | 100Mbit? | 21:08 |
| fta | yes | 21:09 |
| fta | Estimated archive size: 777.9 MiB | 21:10 |
| fta | strange, it was 990M this morning | 21:10 |
| fta | and nothing should have been removed | 21:10 |
| fta | asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa step 2, ff3.1 | 21:11 |
| asac | fta: thats great | 21:21 |
| asac | so ... tbird 3? | 21:22 |
| asac | not sure if we should also do 1.9/3.0 xul/ffox | 21:22 |
| fta | not today | 21:22 |
| asac | heh | 21:30 |
| asac | no need to | 21:30 |
| fta | http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/bug-lp-ppa.png | 21:32 |
| asac | fta: yeah. rendering issueß | 21:33 |
| asac | i dont see it here | 21:33 |
| asac | fta: did we drop symbolic-functsions yet? | 21:34 |
| asac | from 3.1? | 21:34 |
| fta | i don't remember, my day was looooong and i'm falling asleep | 21:35 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/114188/ | 21:36 |
| fta | that's how the conf of my (~new) bot looks like | 21:37 |
| asac | fta: hmm ... i dont have a release on the .head branch yet | 21:37 |
| asac | xul 1.9.1 | 21:37 |
| fta | eh? | 21:38 |
| asac | its still unreleased | 21:38 |
| asac | Tree is up to date at revision 416. | 21:38 |
| fta | oops, pushed; i thought i did it | 21:38 |
| fta | done | 21:38 |
| fta | 417 | 21:38 |
| asac | thy | 21:39 |
| fta | Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head/ | 21:39 |
| fta | bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Try using "merge" and then "push". | 21:39 |
| fta | ?? | 21:39 |
| fta | oh damn, my fault | 21:40 |
| fta | don't pull 3.1 just yet | 21:41 |
| asac | fta: you bzr bind ;) | 21:46 |
| asac | err use i ment | 21:46 |
| asac | not you | 21:46 |
| fta | ok, #393 | 21:49 |
| fta | i didn't overwrite | 21:49 |
| fta | we'll see if my bot will survive to this | 21:49 |
| asac | so you merged? | 21:51 |
| fta | yes | 21:52 |
| fta | i worked in the bot, i should not do that | 21:53 |
| fta | the problem of not bumping *.head daily is that xul and ff will now diverge regarding their versions, when we have something to fix in one but not in the other | 21:54 |
| fta | btw, i have a bunch of *.daily* branches now, i will push them in the ~umd | 21:55 |
| asac | fta: what purpose do they have? | 21:55 |
| fta | just showing history | 21:55 |
| asac | ok ... as long as we dont merge from there | 21:56 |
| asac | so when we change .head those probably need to be overwritten or force-merged or sometjing | 21:56 |
| fta | we should never touch them | 21:56 |
| asac | yes of course | 21:57 |
| asac | so are we resetting them when .head gets a new commit? | 21:57 |
| fta | no, the bot just merges and resolve conflicts in d/changelog (and d/control because i tweak versions in there) | 21:58 |
| fta | +s | 21:58 |
| fta | asac, you will have the pleasure to fix the diverged patches every morning ;) | 22:02 |
| fta | hopefully not *every* morning | 22:03 |
| fta | that will boost the motivation to get the patches upstreamed :P | 22:04 |
| asac | fta: yeah | 22:05 |
| asac | fta: one thing would habve been to forward the python stuff | 22:06 |
| asac | ;) | 22:06 |
| asac | before pushing to .head ;) | 22:06 |
| fta | ^upstreamed^committed ;) | 22:06 |
| fta | (csh syntax) | 22:06 |
| asac | hehe | 22:07 |
| asac | fta: latest 3.1 seems to have better fonts | 22:07 |
| asac | they look quite great here for me | 22:07 |
| fta | dtchen, my mplayer lost sound after I unpaused it | 22:09 |
| fta | E: alsa-util.c: snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large: 3221224932 bytes (18260912 ms) Most likely this is an ALSA driver bug. Please report this issue to the PulseAudio developers. | 22:09 |
| fta | E: module-alsa-sink.c: snd_pcm_mmap_commit: Device or resource busy | 22:09 |
| fta | dtchen, ^^ | 22:09 |
| dtchen | fta: yes, i have local changes that address it | 22:09 |
| asac | dtchen: new nick? | 22:10 |
| dtchen | they didn't make it into the latest PA upload, but i can push to my ppa | 22:10 |
| dtchen | asac: "new" old | 22:10 |
| asac | i liked crimusn ;) | 22:10 |
| asac | err ... flipflip | 22:10 |
| fta | me too :) | 22:10 |
| dtchen | fta: uploaded, queued, etc. | 22:11 |
| fta | ok, thanks. I'll try tomorrow. | 22:11 |
| dtchen | upstream git HEAD fixes quite a few of these issues, but the changes are very invasive | 22:11 |
| dtchen | soname bump, too | 22:12 |
| fta | jaunty is a dev version, isn't what dev versions are for? | 22:12 |
| asac | 12 days till feature freeze ;) | 22:14 |
| fta | is that better to ship jaunty with crappy sound? | 22:15 |
| asac | i think we have a plan for that ;) | 22:16 |
| asac | we will blacklist a bunch of things | 22:16 |
| asac | for glitch free | 22:16 |
| asac | at least thatsa what came out of the sprint | 22:16 |
| asac | dtchen: is glitch free really the main issue we havehere? | 22:17 |
| dtchen | asac: it's one of them | 22:24 |
| dtchen | asac: there are a number of issues in the audio stack | 22:24 |
| dtchen | reaches all the way down from broken hw (e.g., HDA codecs) to how PA is configured by default to GUI apps to manipulate PA | 22:24 |
| asac | hmm | 22:25 |
| asac | http://identi.ca/notice/2111687 | 22:26 |
| asac | so blacklist glitch free + use alsa mixer is curreent way to move forward | 22:26 |
| * dtchen contemplates how to wrangle it | 22:29 | |
| dtchen | so, patch PA to check hal before enabling tsched? | 22:30 |
| dtchen | that's gonna be a sick patch | 22:30 |
| dtchen | otherwise, we could revert to using alsa completely by setting tsched=0 for everyone | 22:31 |
| dtchen | glitch-free does tend to act more sensibly once the watermark has been set high enough; otherwise, with tsched=0, PA just uses alsa's interrupt-based scheme | 22:32 |
| asac | dtchen: isnt glicht free about finding a perfect buffer size? | 22:34 |
| asac | dtchen: (besides other things) | 22:35 |
| dtchen | yes | 22:35 |
| asac | wouldnt it be possible to ust use a big cache? | 22:35 |
| asac | from what i understood the problem is supposed to be that some drivers give a bad value for that cache heurisitc | 22:35 |
| dtchen | yes, and you can approach it from either the driver or from PA | 22:36 |
| asac | right. but from my experiences with drivers, they take ages to get fixed ... if not forever | 22:38 |
| asac | so we need some kind of workaround for now | 22:38 |
| dtchen | sadly, there's no uninvasive workaround that will work for everyone | 22:39 |
| asac | at least for wifi i am waiting and waiting ... and while there are improvements they always get about the same mount of regressions | 22:39 |
| dtchen | if the tsched=0 was decided for all chipsets, that's a simple one-line change in etc/pulse/default.pa.in | 22:40 |
| dtchen | err, src/daemon/default.pa.in | 22:40 |
| dtchen | if it's to be selective, well, that's going to be a weekend hackfest | 22:40 |
| asac | but wouldnt tsched cause stuttering on a bunch of chips? | 22:41 |
| asac | tsched=0 i mean | 22:41 |
| asac | cool ... new hal is there ... i can finally boot my 2.6.29 rc3 kernel again | 22:42 |
| * asac reboots | 22:42 | |
| dtchen | right now it causes stuttering on just about all hw depending on the user's workload | 22:42 |
| dtchen | the stuttering is most noticeable immediately after the pulseaudio daemon has been invoked | 22:42 |
| dtchen | at that point, the buffering hasn't settled | 22:43 |
| dtchen | at some point (normally within a few seconds), it has settled | 22:43 |
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