[01:05] <rocko> my first deb package it is a terminal emulator called sakura http://ifile.it/ft0qkog
[01:14] <Stroganoff> ask in #debian whether it's good or not
[01:18] <rocko> ok
[01:24] <Nwallins> Hi, I added a new user after customizing my setup a little bit.  when logged in as the new user, newly opened windows start at the topmost pixel, annoyingly hiding the title bar behind the top panel
[01:24] <Nwallins> any idea what is causing this, how to troubleshoot, fix, workaround?
[01:24] <Nwallins> this does not happen for two other users
[01:25] <Nwallins> running 8.10 on ibook, powerpc
[01:25] <Nwallins> I have compiz-core installed, emerald
[01:27] <Nwallins> Here are the main customizations I have done: http://ppclinux.info/wiki/maclin/Xubuntu_ibook_g4
[01:37] <Nwallins> doobie doobie doo...
[01:47] <Nwallins> Hello, Hello, Hellooooo    (Is there anybody out there?)
[01:48] <Nwallins> Just nod if you can hear me ;)
[01:48] <charlie-tca> There people here, but apparently nobody that knows an answer for you
[01:49] <Nwallins> an answer would be great.  i'd be happy for a point in the right direction
[01:50] <charlie-tca> The only one I know is turn off compiz, reboot, turn it back on. Sometimes that works
[01:51] <Nwallins> i have found ~/.cache to be a source issues, as well
[01:51] <Nwallins> i rm -rf ~/.cache/ when troubleshooting
[01:52] <Nwallins> i am curious about the 'save session' on logout, and 'last session' on login
[01:52] <charlie-tca> What about them?
[01:52] <charlie-tca> I never found they had an effect on the hidden top issue
[01:52] <Nwallins> what exactly is saved?  is this hampering troubleshooting efforts?
[01:53] <charlie-tca> Saved is the windows as opened. Last session is to open the desktop using the settings you had last time you opened the desktop, I think.
[01:53] <Nwallins> i am curiuos which settings disappear, if i choose xfce4 desktop
[01:53] <Nwallins> most of my Settings Manager settings seem to hold
[01:53] <Nwallins> if not all
[01:54] <charlie-tca> If you are running Xubuntu, you are using xfce4desktop is the session.
[01:54] <Nwallins> it's not clear to me which settings are 'permanent', vs session-based
[01:54] <Nwallins> oh
[01:54] <Nwallins> like, which DE to load?
[01:55] <Nwallins> so, 'last session' in GDM just chooses xfce vs. gnome, or whatever?
[01:55] <Nwallins> i thought it was connected to 'save session' on logout
[01:55] <Nwallins> as in, load the DE, plus the last known state
[01:56] <charlie-tca> It should be connected to it, to give your last session settings.
[01:56] <Nwallins> ok, stuff beyond just the DE choice?
[01:56] <charlie-tca> But I do not know all of it.
[01:56] <Nwallins> desktop environment
[01:56] <charlie-tca> Yes, beyond the DE
[01:57] <Nwallins> whereas if you choose xfcedesktop, then you get a "fresh" load?
[01:57] <Nwallins> just talking about GDM login
[01:57] <charlie-tca> Things like when I say single-click in thunar, it is in that last session
[01:57] <Nwallins> ok
[01:58] <Nwallins> some things go into ~/.config right?
[01:58] <Nwallins> i imagine these to be the 'permanent' settings
[01:58] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:58] <charlie-tca> they are permanent
[01:59] <Nwallins> it has been a challenge, customizing this ibook, learning xfce
[02:00] <Nwallins> mainly i have wanted to change the system defaults
[02:00] <Nwallins> finding them in /etc...   whew!
[02:00] <Nwallins> this way new users, etc. get good defaults
[02:00] <Nwallins> for an ibook
[02:01] <Nwallins> without additional per-user config headache
[02:01] <charlie-tca> You might want to take a look at the xfce specific docs at /usr/share/xfce4/ on your computer
[02:01] <rocko> why is it that the ubuntu-restricted extras use multiuniverse for bad and ugly ?
[02:01] <rocko> it seems to not work as well
[02:01] <Nwallins> charlie-tca: ok, thanks
[02:01] <charlie-tca> rocko:  You could ask that on #ubuntu
[02:02] <charlie-tca> but I suspect it has to do with licenses
[02:02] <Nwallins> charlie-tca: can you tell me anything about the 'disable gnome services' option on login?
[02:02] <Nwallins> what is impacted?  i have 256MB ram, want to conserve
[02:03] <charlie-tca> I never noticed it.
[02:03] <Nwallins> you disable?
[02:03] <charlie-tca> No, I did not even see it. I don't look at options most of the time, I just login
[02:03] <Nwallins> on 8.10 it is enabled by default
[02:03] <Nwallins> ok
[02:04] <Nwallins> i am putting a hard squeeze on this install, trying to get the most out of the ibook :D
[02:04] <Nwallins> thinking about a custom kernel, not sure if its worth the headache
[02:05] <charlie-tca> rocko: I assume you are talking about gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and -good?
[02:06] <rocko> bad and ugly
[02:06] <rocko> not good
[02:07] <charlie-tca> They have restricted licenses, But I do not the differences / specifics.
[02:07] <rocko> ok
[02:07] <rocko> making backups of all the codecs
[02:07] <rocko> just in case they become illegal every where
[02:08] <rocko> better to be safe than sorry
[02:10] <Nwallins> rocko: they will always be mirrored somewhere.  you an archivist by nature?
[02:10] <rocko> is there decryption for games on cd/dvd for linux
[02:11] <rocko> you mean an Anarchist Nwallins ?
[02:11] <rocko> o
[02:11] <rocko> archivist
[02:11] <Nwallins> heh, no
[02:11] <rocko> well sort of
[02:11] <Nwallins> but makes sense, too
[02:12] <rocko> yeah well who knows
[02:12] <rocko> yeah I am an archivist
[02:12] <Nwallins> for many codecs, their implementations improve
[02:12] <rocko> I make archives of websites
[02:12] <Nwallins> some are pretty fixed
[02:12] <rocko> that I want to keep
[02:12] <rocko> yeah I know I can always check
[02:13] <Nwallins> websites disappear..
[02:13] <Nwallins> but there is always wayback machine
[02:13] <Nwallins> or internet archive or whatever
[02:13] <rocko> yes they certainly do
[02:13] <rocko> yeah I have used it Nwallins
[02:13] <rocko> and it does not always work
[02:13] <rocko> it does not always archive it on the days you wanted it
[02:14] <rocko> also since it obeys robots
[02:14] <rocko> they sites do not function properly
[02:14] <rocko> and do not have all files
[02:14]  * charlie-tca locks the robots out of my websites
[02:15] <Nwallins> anyway, i think you can count on nearly every codec available today, will be available 20 years from now, on some semi-official server in a small country
[02:15] <rocko> yes I know how to charlie-tca
[02:15] <rocko> in wget's wgetrc file
[02:15] <rocko> you can set no robot
[02:16] <charlie-tca> blame it on microsoft; it is their robot I needed to block
[02:16] <rocko> so that it does not follow the robots rulez
[02:16] <rocko> if you are going to disobey the robots file
[02:16] <rocko> at least do it so that it does not take to much brandwith
[02:17] <rocko> so that it causes a dos like attack
[02:17] <rocko> so set time limit for waits with wget
[02:17] <charlie-tca> That's different. MS search robots used to hit every page about every 10 minutes or so. It made it hard to keep the site available
[02:17] <rocko> I see
[02:18] <rocko> I am talking about the robots file
[02:18] <rocko> on websites
[02:18] <rocko> robots.txt
[02:18] <charlie-tca> They send out hundreds of bots at a time, and when they tie the site up, it gets frustrating as the webmaster.
[02:18] <rocko> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=robots+filetype%3Atxt&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=robots+filetype%3Atxt&fp=3WTwdsC3GPc
[02:22] <Nwallins> rebooting..
[02:28] <rocko> hello
[02:59] <linux_guy> Hello #xubuntu
[03:00] <charlie-tca> hello linux_guy
[03:00] <linux_guy> i got a computer for free today.  its an old pentium 3 / 199 Ram / 40 gig box with no ethernet
[03:01] <forces> wireless?
[03:01] <charlie-tca> :-)
[03:01] <linux_guy> after installing ubuntu 8.10, it uses 75% cpu and 75% memory at idle..... can i install xfce from a usb drive?  a complete new install will take all day as the cd rom is very slow
[03:02] <linux_guy> forces, this has no networking PERIOD
[03:02] <charlie-tca> yes, it can be done from usb. No, I have not tried it.
[03:03] <charlie-tca> Most of the old systems won't boot to usb
[03:03] <forces> you can buy ethernet card
[03:03] <forces> they're cheap
[03:03] <charlie-tca> Also, even my old 4x cdrom installs in 2-3 hours
[03:03] <linux_guy> i'm used to using synaptic and apt-get to download new things, but i need to download it on another machine, put it on a flash drive, carry it across the room, and install that way
[03:04] <linux_guy> charlie-tca, all day wasn't literal
[03:04] <forces> linux_guy, ubuntu.packages
[03:04] <charlie-tca> I see, but you shouldn't need the flash drive until after the install, right?
[03:04] <linux_guy> i cannot find the bios to even try to boot from usb
[03:04] <linux_guy> this thing had win98 LOL
[03:04] <charlie-tca> What brand?
[03:05] <linux_guy> compaq
[03:05] <charlie-tca> F11
[03:05] <linux_guy> f8,f1?
[03:05] <linux_guy> ok
[03:05] <charlie-tca> or f2
[03:05] <linux_guy> just tap tap tap on startup?
[03:05] <forces> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:05] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I got three of them. My newest uses F10
[03:05] <linux_guy> actually i tried tapping all of the F** keys at once during bootup two different times
[03:05] <forces> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/all/xfce4/download
[03:05] <forces> download xfce4
[03:06] <forces> dpkg -i package.deb
[03:06] <forces> that's all
[03:06] <charlie-tca> I think I would try just f10 and f11
[03:07] <linux_guy> ok got it
[03:07] <charlie-tca> You get the silly splash screen in the way, and sometimes it hits and goes right through when you are tapping.
[03:07] <linux_guy> think this machine will run somewhat nice with xfce instead of gnome?
[03:08] <charlie-tca> It should, if you don't fill it with heavier applications.
[03:08] <charlie-tca> You may even find firefox too much, and will want to try epiphany or midori instead
[03:08] <linux_guy> i have a family member using my core2/asus/nvidia rig as a web browser and solitaire
[03:09] <linux_guy> ^^^ sucks ^^^
[03:09] <charlie-tca> :(
[03:09] <linux_guy> so im going to make a minimalistic machine for them, and get mine back =)
[03:10] <charlie-tca> I like epiphany on my old systems. It runs smoother than firefox on them
[03:10] <linux_guy> eh, it was free, i just did it to mess around, but i would like a smooth running machine though
[03:10]  * linux_guy is down for a challenge
[03:11] <charlie-tca> I run a PII, 400Mhz with 384MHz ram part time
[03:12] <charlie-tca> 384 MB Ram, I guess
[03:13] <charlie-tca> Now I gotta ask - no network card? How they gonna cruise the net?
[03:14] <linux_guy> dependancy is not satisfiable:  gtk2-engines-xfce
[03:14] <linux_guy> charlie-tca, it has an external adapter that plugs in via usb
[03:15] <linux_guy> why the error msg?
[03:15] <charlie-tca> I see.
[03:15] <charlie-tca> The error is a themes engine. I don't know why it came up. Did the install stop?
[03:16] <linux_guy> yes i could not install.  install package was 'grayed out'
[03:16] <charlie-tca> Install using the alternate cd instead of the live cd
[03:16]  * linux_guy grows a beard
[03:16] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know
[03:17] <linux_guy> download another iso, then burn, then install?
[03:17] <linux_guy> this time in xubuntu?
[03:17] <charlie-tca> I'm afraid so. What were you in the last time?
[03:17] <linux_guy> once i do all this, im a little nervous about getting this network thing to work
[03:17] <linux_guy> ubuntu
[03:17] <linux_guy> is what i started in
[03:18] <charlie-tca> Have it plugged in during the install. It may pick it up.
[03:18] <charlie-tca> You got ubuntu on this old machine?
[03:18] <linux_guy> YEAH! at 75% cpu and 75% memory at IDLE.... YIKES
[03:18] <linux_guy> lol
[03:19] <linux_guy> would an older version, say 8.04 be beneficial>?
[03:19] <charlie-tca> Try the usb network thing. If you get it to work, you can use sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:19] <charlie-tca> to install xubuntu.
[03:19] <charlie-tca> 8.10 used less resources than 8.04, I think.
[03:19]  * linux_guy opens the box
[03:20] <charlie-tca> You would have to back up to about 6.06
[03:20] <charlie-tca> The upgrades are not fun, from there.
[03:20] <charlie-tca> forces:
[03:20] <charlie-tca> forces: any idea on the usb network things?
[03:24] <linux_guy> holy crap
[03:24] <charlie-tca> ??
[03:24] <linux_guy> the network thing picked right up automatically
[03:25] <charlie-tca> That's what it should do. Now you can install xubuntu-desktop and then delete what you don't want, if you don't want to download another cd
[03:25] <linux_guy> strange it cant find xubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <linux_guy> sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <linux_guy> crap
[03:26] <charlie-tca> huh?
[03:26] <linux_guy> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[03:27] <charlie-tca> You have to go to software sources and enable universe
[03:27] <linux_guy> any other prereq's?
[03:28] <charlie-tca> I enable all main universe multiverse restricted
[03:28] <charlie-tca> They are all on the first tab, Ubuntu Software
[03:30] <linux_guy> yeah, they are all checked
[03:31] <charlie-tca> then do sudo apt-get update
[03:32] <linux_guy> well the internet is about the only thing that is fast on this thing lol
[03:32] <linux_guy> firefox takes it to 100% immediately
[03:34] <charlie-tca> yeah, I believe it. That's why I went to epiphany. It used the mozilla engine, but less resources
[03:34] <charlie-tca> Bonus: all the firefox plugins worked too
[03:34] <linux_guy> epiphany is ok on security too?
[03:35] <charlie-tca> sure, it isn't on windows.
[03:35] <linux_guy> lol
[03:35] <linux_guy> funny thing, i installed win7 on my VM the other day.  first thing i saw?  error msg
[03:35] <charlie-tca> heh
[03:37] <linux_guy> if you close a terminal window while its working.... say installing xubuntu it continues on right?
[03:37] <charlie-tca> not that I know...
[03:38] <charlie-tca> Mine always quit when I close the terminal.
[03:42] <linux_guy> man this thing is slow
[03:42]  * linux_guy builds a house out of popsicle sticks
[03:53] <charlie-tca> slow is good, isn't it? You can see what is not happening!
[04:10] <linux_guy> slow is crazy slow
[04:47] <wolfjb> will xubuntu be releasing packages of xfce4.6 when it is released?
[04:47] <wolfjb> or do we have to wait until the next xubuntu release?
[06:02] <thomashartman> I have a super-sensitive touchpad. is there some way to turn off tap-to-click?
[06:03] <rocko> does the find and chkdir run by its self sometimes ?
[06:04] <spartakvladimir> Привет всем!
[06:05] <spartakvladimir> есть такой вопрос, как удалить xubuntu-desktop полностью?
[06:05] <rocko> we do not speak russian here sorry
[06:06] <spartakvladimir> ok, how may I uninstall xubuntu-desktop?
[06:07] <rocko> do "sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop"
[06:07] <rocko> but then you will only have console
[06:07] <rocko> if you have no other desktop environment installed
[06:08] <spartakvladimir> ok, thanks
[06:10] <thomashartman> i am having a horrible time with xfce, tabs keep closing in the middle of work... arg.
[06:44] <ali__> im trying to get xdmcp working over wireless... it works over ethernet but not wireless... can anyone help?
[07:12] <wwbwwb> anyone can speak chinese
[07:12] <wwbwwb> anyone can speak chinese?
[07:42] <macrobad> Hey, #xubuntu! Could someone advise me on setting up keyboard layout switching?
[07:43] <macrobad> I've entered the configuration needed in xorg.conf, but it seems that Xfce doesn't really follow it, or otherwise the config is wrong.
[08:53] <MacGyverNL|LT> I have a "problem" with the Xubuntu 8.10 liveCD, confirmed working on another machine. This is hardware from 1999, mind, so yes, I do get a BIOS cutoff error saying ACPI is not available and such. Also, when loading the LiveCD, I get a little error box containing a bunch of numbers and the message "err 2". When I press return, a basic menu loads. I can then pick "try Xubuntu", and Xubuntu boots (takes a long time, though), and XFC
[08:53] <MacGyverNL|LT> E loads fine. *however*, and this is the problem, the console only shows blocks.
[08:53] <MacGyverNL|LT> This also happens when doing the CD integrity check.
[08:55] <MacGyverNL|LT> And by "blocks" I mean ascii char 127, alternated with blanks or other ascii 127's, usually in the normal console text color but sometimes in blue or brown.
[09:00] <ablomen> MacGyverNL|LT, have you tried the same cd on a different pc?
[09:01] <MacGyverNL|LT> Yes.
[09:01] <MacGyverNL|LT> On my laptop it boots up just fine.
[09:01] <MacGyverNL|LT> Like I said, it's very old hardware, a 450MHz CPU and 196 MiB RAM.
[09:03] <ablomen> well one problem might be the 196mb of ram, thats (verry close to) the minimum required by the livecd
[09:06] <MacGyverNL|LT> But why does XFCE work?
[09:06] <MacGyverNL|LT> I mean, if anything, I'd expect XFCE / X.org to fail miserably but the consoles to come up.
[09:07] <ablomen> not sure, it might be a problem in the ram itself too (corrupt ram)
[09:07] <ablomen> you could try running memtest
[09:07] <ablomen> will take a lot of time though
[09:08] <MacGyverNL|LT> Not really an option.
[09:09] <MacGyverNL|LT> You see, I'm trying to "convert" the only internet-office-PC at my dad's workplace from Windows ME to Xubuntu, so the experience has to be good for the single day they run the LiveCD. Personally, I'm inclined to build them a new system from old hardware I have lying around.
[09:11] <MacGyverNL|LT> I mean, the oldest CPU I've got is still way faster than 450 MHz. And I'm bound to have some RAM lying around... And If I'm converting them to (X)ubuntu anyway I might as well put some time into it.
[09:16] <ablomen> yeah i'd do that then, better then letting them run on a 450mhz pc.. that wont be a great first impression i can imagine, especially from a livecd
[09:24] <MacGyverNL|LT> Well, on the other hand, if I can get their Brother 1840C USB fax/printer to work under Xubuntu, it'll be a better impression than with ME.
[09:39] <ablomen> lol well yeah ok its up against windows me, but still :P
[09:48] <MacGyverNL|LT> Thanks anyway.
[09:48] <MacGyverNL|LT> Cya.
[12:22] <marte87> I have installed xubuntu on my acer laptop, but there is no sound on it... what could i do to fix it?
[14:02] <darkrai> I had a fresh xubuntu 7.10 install
[14:02] <darkrai> and the desktop was fine the first two boots
[14:03] <darkrai> now, this morning, I boot it up, log in
[14:03] <darkrai> and the desktop is the ubuntu orange color
[14:03] <darkrai> I cant right click on it or anything
[14:03] <darkrai> its just blank :/
[14:03] <darkrai> is there anyway to fix this?
[14:23] <darkrai> nobody?
[14:23] <darkrai> :/
[14:31] <TheSheep> darkrai: press alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop'
[14:32] <darkrai> omg
[14:32] <darkrai> thanks ^^
[14:32]  * darkrai give you a hug
[14:32] <darkrai> :)
[14:32] <darkrai> will I have to run that every time i boot?
[14:33] <TheSheep> no
[14:33] <darkrai> okies
[14:33] <darkrai> thanks again
[14:34] <TheSheep> if you have it again, do it again and go to settings->setting manager->desktop and enable "allow xfce to manage my desktop'
[14:35] <darkrai> thanks
[14:42] <darkrai> ok, my other question is how to get compiz on xubuntu 7.10?
[14:42] <darkrai> is there a linkeh anyone would like to share?
[14:42] <TheSheep> !compiz
[14:44] <darkrai> http://pastesite.com/5039
[14:52] <darkrai> when I try to upgrade to
[14:52] <darkrai> 8.04
[14:52] <darkrai> it says
[14:52] <darkrai> 'Can't install xubuntu-desktop'
[14:52] <darkrai> It was impossible to install a required package
[14:52] <darkrai> please report this as a bug
[14:52] <charlie-tca> darkrai: Is your 7.10 up to date?
[14:53] <darkrai> I guess o.o
[14:53] <darkrai> how do I check that?
[14:53] <darkrai> yep
[14:53] <darkrai> I'm up-to-date
[14:53] <darkrai> o the update manager
[14:53] <charlie-tca> either run update-manager or 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[14:54] <charlie-tca> What command are you using to upgrade?
[14:55] <darkrai> http://pastesite.com/5041
[14:55] <darkrai> I tried running update manager
[14:56] <darkrai> to update from 7.10 to 8.04
[14:56] <darkrai> and it fails
[14:56] <darkrai> I just ran those commands
[14:56] <darkrai> and the pastesite is the output
[14:58] <charlie-tca> and the command to upgrade to 8.04 you are using?
[14:58] <darkrai> o.o
[14:59] <darkrai> I use the update manager
[14:59] <darkrai> I dont know how to update via terminal
[15:00] <charlie-tca> Try http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[15:02] <darkrai> heh
[15:02] <darkrai> I didnt have all my sources checked on
[15:02] <charlie-tca> that will break it
[15:28] <Besogon> how can I add bookmark to Thunar??
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Right-click the folder, click Send to... , side-pane
[15:32] <Besogon> And what is being the strange ring at the title each window from left side
[15:33] <charlie-tca> I have no strange ring, is it the folder icon?
[15:34] <Myrtti> prolly his window manager theme
[15:34] <Besogon> No. Title of Window (I dont know its word) from left...
[15:35] <Besogon> Sorry
[15:37] <charlie-tca> That is the stick window icon; click on it to make the window appear in all desktops
[15:38] <Besogon> Hat of window. And there is always two button from left. Second button with ring on itself.
 That is the stick window icon; click on it to make the window appear in all desktops
[15:39] <Besogon> Ok. Thanks for help
[15:39] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:50] <slow-motion> hi
[17:32] <Stroganoff> hi
[18:18] <nikolam> does someone use jigdo-lite to download newer releases of jaunty?
[18:19] <nikolam> I tried but it gives me 404 not found. I can download with wget from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ but I want do get only changed packages and make new iso
[18:40] <_msk_> hi...when an application doesn't respond...how do i terminate it ?
[18:42] <zoredache> if you press ctrl-alt-esc your pointer will change to an 'x'.  Click on the window of the app you want to kill
[18:44] <_msk_> zoredache: thanx
[18:44] <zoredache> _msk_: you could also startup the 'system monitor' from the applications->system menu
[18:44] <zoredache> on the processes tab you can right click on a process and end it
[18:45] <zoredache> of course you could also start up a terminal and use something like kill, or killall
[18:45] <_msk_> zoredache: system monitor is not working properly
[18:46] <Mood> ctrl+c or xkill or kill -9 pid
[18:46] <Mood> _msk_: what app is it? is it a GUI? or a terminal script?
[18:46] <_msk_> zoredache: i installed KDE & Xfce in Ubuntu 8.04(which has GNOME by default).
[18:47] <_msk_> Mood : GUI app
[18:47] <Mood> _msk_: do you know how to bring up terminal?
[18:47] <_msk_> Mood : yaa
[18:47] <Mood> _msk_: you can type xkill, then point it at the unresponsive GUI
[18:47] <Mood> _msk_: or, in terminal, you can find the process id by typing ps and kill -9 ps#
[18:50] <_msk_> Mood : my system monitor is not working properly !
[18:51] <Mood> _msk_: system monitor? you mean your display?
[18:52] <_msk_> Mood : the app in System->System Monitor
[18:53] <Mood> _msk_: what's wrong with it?
[18:54] <_msk_> Mood : i have installed KDE,Xfce in Ubuntu 8.04.When i open it, it shows the KDE version of it.
[18:55] <_msk_> Mood : it was working fine before installation of Xfce...
[18:56] <Mood> _msk_: i still don't know what you mean by "it's not working properly"... what is the problem you see? are GUIs not appearing? do you see screen artifacts?
[18:57] <_msk_> Mood : In Xfce, it shows all processes ,but the CPU & Memory usage graphs are not working !
[18:59] <Mood> hmm... how did you install kde? xubuntu comes with xfce out of the box. did you restart after you installed kde? or xfce for that matter? and you don't have to keep screaming by the way :-)
[18:59] <Mood> also, "not working" is not descriptive :-)
[19:00] <squidly> how do I reconfigure sound in xubuntu?
[19:00] <squidly> my alsa config got messed up and I cant figure out how to reset it
[19:00] <Mood> squidly: did you try Settings Manager?
[19:00] <_msk_> Mood : oops...i will stay calm ....I installed  KDE first (from synaptic) & then Xfce...
[19:01] <squidly> Mood: I'llt ry that
[19:01] <squidly> but it's the underlying alsa config that is not working
[19:01] <squidly> it's not loading up any modules
[19:04] <Mood> _msk_: not to sound like a windoz tech support, but did you try restarting your x server?
[19:05] <squidly> Mood: I dont see anything asking about sound in setting manager
[19:05] <charlie-tca> _msk_: Also,if you installed xfce, not xubuntu-desktop, you may be missing dependencies.
[19:05] <_msk_> Mood : This happens every time when i log on to Xfce session...
[19:06] <Mood> squidly: do you see your sound device listed?
[19:06] <squidly> Mood: nope
[19:07] <squidly> Mood: I need to fully reconfigure alsa on my box
[19:07] <Mood> squidly: does it show in lspci?
[19:07] <squidly> yes
[19:07] <squidly> but there is nothign in /proc/asound
[19:08] <Mood> squidly: you're getting no sound at all?
[19:08] <squidly> Mood: correct
[19:08] <squidly> i was
[19:09] <squidly> but then it sudenly dies with a reboot
[19:09] <_msk_> Mood : forgot to tell you....i get this error : "Connection to localhost has been lost"
[19:10] <Mood> squidly: do you see anything doing an lsmod|egrep -i snd?
[19:10] <squidly> Mood: nope
[19:11] <Mood> _msk_: not sure if localhost is related to xcfe... sounds like you have more than one problem. how did you install xubuntu?
[19:12] <_msk_> Mood : i never installed Xubuntu...i just installed Xfce through Synaptic Package Manager in Ubuntu ..
[19:13] <_msk_> Mood : i have KDE , fluxbox, Enlightenment, Xfce , & GNOME DE's in my Ubuntu 8.04 :D
[19:13] <Mood> squidly: did you ever try alsa-base?
[19:14] <squidly> Mood: what do you mean by that?
[19:14] <squidly> alsa-base is installed
[19:14] <Mood> squidly: alsa-base are configurationg files for ... oh ok
[19:15] <squidly> Mood: yea. I'm trying to get that to reconfigure
[19:18] <Mood> squidly: i think i ran out of ideas :-/
[19:20] <_msk_> i guess having Multiple DE's causes a lot problem !
[19:23] <Mood> _msk_: perhaps the System Monitor is not compliant with your particular version of xfce(?) that's really the only thing i can think of
[19:24] <Mood> _msk_: the localhost issue seems to be something else altogether
[19:24] <Mood> squidly: it's not just a volume issue i presume
[19:25] <_msk_> Mood : what i guess is that Xfce is unable to properly support a KDE app...
[19:25] <squidly> Mood: correct
[19:25] <Mood> _msk_: seems likely
[19:25] <Mood> squidly: did you try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[19:26] <Mood> squidly: i found the official troubleshooting site btw
[19:26] <Mood> squidly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[19:27] <squidly> Mood: i'll try that
[19:27] <squidly> but alta-utils restart show's it works
[19:27] <squidly> but dones not load my drivers
[19:28] <[noobytu]> Brilliant group I haven't even asked my question and you have given the answer :o) was looking for a sound guide :D
[19:30] <squidly> [noobytu]: lol
[19:30] <Mood> [noobytu]: you're welcome ;-)
[19:30] <Mood> squidly: sounds like you're best bet is to start from the top of the page and work down :-/
[19:32] <atgarsis> hello there
[19:32] <atgarsis> i got a problem with vlc player. it doesn't show subtitles. anyone know why is that?
[19:37] <Mood> atgarsis: do you have the corresponding subtitle file?
[19:37] <atgarsis> yes
[19:37] <atgarsis> i have an .srt file and it still doesn't show it
[19:37] <Mood> when you open the file from File->Open, do you see a place for the subtitle file?
[19:38] <Mood> you can manually specify the location of the subtitle file
[19:38] <Mood> it's like the second text box after the main avi file
[19:41] <atgarsis> it still doesn't show. maybe i need to specify subtitles font?
[19:42] <Mood> nah, i never specify font. should work. were you able to navigate to the load subtitle file text box and load it successfully?
[19:56] <princedugan> I'm stuck on step 9 of <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/CanonPrinters/CanonPixmaIP2200> the "new printer" option is first asking Enter device URI
[20:39] <jano_> hoho
[20:41] <jano_> hmm
[20:45] <jano_> Noone here?
[20:45] <varg> hej hej
[20:45] <jano_> Swe?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> !nobody
[20:46] <charlie-tca> !anybody
[20:46] <jano_> How
[20:46] <varg> anyone know when xfce 4.6 is coming out? :)
[20:47] <jano_> How too restore the tom menu?
[20:47] <jano_> top menu
[20:47] <varg> jano_, xfce-panel
[20:47] <zoredache> is the menu gone, or the entire planel?
[20:47] <varg> first press alt+f2
[20:47] <varg> sorry:*xfce4-panel
[20:48] <jano_> All are messed up :-/
[20:48] <varg> did you try xfce4-panel jano_ ?
[20:49] <jano_> Icones everywhere and volume button gone   xfce4?
[20:49] <varg> :s
[20:50] <jano_> alt+f2= Run program
[20:51] <varg> punch in xfce4-panel
[20:51] <varg> anything happens?
[20:51] <jano_> will try now
[20:52] <varg> ok
[20:53] <jano_> nothing
[21:48] <forces> :)
[22:15] <charlie-tca> I couldn't take no more: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Nicely tells how to restore the missing panel
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: looks good!
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> although, sometimes, i find the xfce save session feature kind of buggy... i just like to remove ~/.config/xfce4/ :P
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> and clear the save session (i forgot where they are located...)
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> ~/.cache/ ?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:27] <charlie-tca> We do clear ~/.config/xfce4/panel/
[22:27] <charlie-tca> I don't knwo where saved sessions are
[22:28] <Odd-rationale> ~/.cache/ i think...
[22:28] <Odd-rationale> ~/.cache/saved_sessions
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Does that need to be removed too, then?
[22:29] <Odd-rationale> sometimes just removing that, disabling sessoin save, and reloggin in soves the problem...
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I added that