[14:42] <nothingman> hi, all
[18:58] <fabio_> hi guys. I have just set up a ltsp network. The audio output of my thinclient is OK, but I cant record anything from the mic. How can I enable the mic on the thinclient?
[19:00] <fabio_> i'm using Ubuntu 8.10
[19:02] <fabio_> any idea, anyone?
[19:04] <Ahmuck> fabio_:
[19:04] <fabio_> Ahmuck any idea?
[19:05] <Ahmuck> nope.  i'm sure someone knows however
[19:06] <fabio_> nobody has tried... :(
[19:07] <LaserJock> hi all
[19:10] <Lns> hey LaserJock !
[19:11] <Lns> fabio_: Mics I hear are easy to get set up with localapps.. i wouldn't imagine it's IMPOSSIBLE to get set up w/o it though
[19:11] <Lns> I've personally never done it
[19:11] <Lns> I could be wrong..
[19:12] <fabio_> Lns somebody at #ltsp says that I need local apps enabled too
[19:12] <fabio_> Lns just enabling local_apps should done the job?
[19:12] <Lns> fabio_: i was just reading about it last night, and they gave a webcam example (cheese) of localapps and mentioned microphones.
[19:13] <Lns> fabio_: not sure.. haven't used localapps, all my sites are on 8.04
[19:13] <fabio_> Lns: but my application will run on the server, not on the client
[19:13] <Lns> but i would assume so
[19:13] <fabio_> its a softphone
[19:13] <Lns> fabio_: does it run on a locally installed *buntu setup?
[19:13] <Lns> with mic and all?
[19:14] <fabio_> yes.
[19:14] <fabio_> i just tested the audio rec of gnome
[19:15] <Lns> ok, so i'd have to assume localapps would work. it's def. worth a try
[19:16] <fabio_> I just enabled on lts.conf and rebooted the terminal. nothing new happened
[19:18] <Lns> fabio_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
[19:22] <fabio_> Lns maybe it will work...
[19:23] <fabio_> Lns but the problem is that the voip client i will run works under java
[19:27] <Lns> fabio_: java browser applet, or standalone?
[19:27] <fabio_> standalone
[19:28] <Lns> fabio_: well i'm not sure, but i'd have to assume you could use that as a local app still
[19:29] <fabio_> i will give a try
[19:29] <fabio_> thanks anyway
[19:29] <Lns> np
[19:29] <Lns> good luck
[19:30] <fabio_> thanks ;)
[19:55] <Ahmuck> salsaga ?
[19:57] <Ahmuck> is there a *deb for salasaga?
[19:58] <LaserJock> I think there is
[22:45] <riverfork> Hi, I'm new to IRC (sorry if I don't know standard protocol). I'm one of the main developers of TuxMath, part of Tux4Kids, which I believe is shipped as part of Edubuntu. I'm interested in a topic that may be more at the distribution/system level. I tried joining the mailing list several days ago, but never got sent the "Confirm your subscription" email (same thing happened with my attempt to join schooltool-dev). Anyone know what is up with that? Or is
[22:45] <riverfork> this the best place for conversations anyway?
[22:47] <loic-m> Should be
[22:48] <LaserJock> riverfork: here is ok
[22:48] <LaserJock> riverfork: but generally the mailing list will get you to a broader audience
[22:49] <LaserJock> riverfork: do you need something in particular?
[22:49] <riverfork> With regards to the mailing list: if it takes human intervention to "approve" my request to join, that would help.
[22:49] <riverfork> However, I can mention the issue here briefly, you can tell me if you want more detail, or to save it for the list.
[22:50] <LaserJock> riverfork: I don't think it should require human intervention to join
[22:50] <LaserJock> riverfork: but go ahead and ask about the issue
[22:51] <riverfork> I've checked my SPAM box (though there could be one I can't access) and I didn't find an intercepted message. Well, anyway...
[22:52] <riverfork> Basically, it concerns infrastructure for free software in schools. Elementary schools in the US often run without "real" user accounts for each kid, instead assigning them a password-less login titled "Student" or something. TuxMath is needing to store per-student data. So we're thinking about how to set up the infrastructure for giving each student a fake user directory, and realizing this is something that might best be common across projects.
[22:53] <LaserJock> right
[22:53] <riverfork> A closely-related issue is expressing relationships between members of a school, say, that these 20 kids are in Mrs. Smith's class. Software should be able to go to Mrs. Smith's directory to read a common config file, and then look for special additional settings in their own home directory.
[22:54] <loic-m> riverfork: like customized lessons, or a list of students?
[22:55] <LaserJock> riverfork: yeah, that's fairly inline with some things we've been thinking about
[22:55] <riverfork> Exactly. Or performance data (teachers want to know how kids are doing on the lessons), or a common high scores table. It's great if all the 2nd graders in Mrs. Smith's class compete against each other for high scores, but terrible if they also have to compete against 5th graders.
[22:56] <LaserJock> what would really be useful is to set up a freedesktop.org taskforce on Education to look at things like configuration files in the classroom setting
[22:58] <riverfork> Do you think there's any interest in a GSoC project to work on this stuff?
[22:59] <LaserJock> well
[22:59] <LaserJock> I think it would be longer term than GSoC
[22:59] <LaserJock> for just Tuxmath perhaps
[23:00] <LaserJock> but coming up with good standards for this seems like it'd be more involved and need to include a number of key players
[23:00] <Ahmuck> thankfully, these issues are being discussed
[23:01] <riverfork> Agreed with the "key players". I've already contacted GCompris (with some discussion there) and kdeedu (silence...). There seems to be at least some level of interest.
[23:02] <riverfork> Another complication, of course, is that we support Mac & Win, and we'd want any solution to work for those platforms too (not that we don't want to encourage the spread of Edubuntu!)
[23:04] <LaserJock> sure
[23:04] <riverfork> Anyone have any particular suggestions about who I should contact?
[23:05] <LaserJock> I wonder if we could come up with some sort of XDG path system
[23:05] <riverfork> I should also give you a link to a post I made (TuxMath, TuxPaint, GCompris, and KDE-Edu) about the topic: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=200902011543.00580.holy%40wustl.edu&forum_name=tuxpaint-devel
[23:06] <LaserJock> hmm
[23:07] <LaserJock> I wonder if we could make a way to define "groups" that would then translate into paths
[23:07] <LaserJock> so for desktop directories XDG has .config/user-dirs.dirs
[23:07] <riverfork> The idea I outlined in that post is a hierarchical directory: school/grade/teacher/student.
[23:07] <LaserJock> that defines several path vaiables
[23:07] <LaserJock> *variables
[23:08] <riverfork> I don't know about XDG yet, I'll read about it.
[23:10] <riverfork> XDG might be a better way to go, but just to flesh out the approach we've been thinking about: the hierarchy lets you "read down" a config file (so you read config in the school directory, then descend and read any grade-specific overrides, etc.)
[23:10] <LaserJock> riverfork: try http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/
[23:11] <LaserJock> well, XDG would just let you have a standard, flexible way to do that
[23:11] <riverfork> For a highscores file, the place you put it in the hierarchy defines the level at which competition occurs. So for example, if Mrs. Smith has a highscores file in her directory, the students in her class compete only with each other. If Mr. Jones and Mrs. Andrews are in the same grade as Mrs. Smith, but don't have a highscores file, then it defaults up to the grade level for them. Etc.
[23:11] <riverfork> Thanks for the link, will check it out.
[23:14] <riverfork> Oh rats, I just found out I have to sign off. What's the protocol for continuing this conversation? Should I just come back sometime over the weekend? If I leave the client open, will I get any intervening discussion (sorry to ask such stupid newbie questions).
[23:14] <LaserJock> riverfork: yeah, you'd get it
[23:14] <LaserJock> riverfork: but we should move this to a mailing list I think
[23:15] <riverfork> Agreed. Is there anyone who can figure out what happened to my AWOL application to join? Email is holy AT wustl followed by edu.
[23:20] <loic-m> riverfork: no need to leave your computer open, there's logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/ (but they only appear at the end of each day)
[23:24] <Ahmuck> a user just shut down the server from a user account.  this was unexpected
[23:59] <LaserJock> alright, back