[00:00] lex79: I have new rc1 ready to upload for building. So might as well wait for it. [00:00] lex79: How about changing the source package from lemonpos-kde4 to lempos? [00:00] rgreening: ok [00:01] lemonpos even [00:01] It's not like there's a KDE3 version to confuse it with. [00:02] I only upgrade...what is wrong in my package? [00:04] ScottK the name of the package is lemonpos-kde4 [00:05] lex79: Is that the upstream name? [00:05] uhm no ScottK [00:06] Now that we're getting rid of KDE3 stuff as fast as we can, there's really no need to keep KDE4 in the package name. [00:06] ScottK ok... [00:06] In the long run KDE4 is KDE, so why put it in there. [00:06] ScottK Can I reupload in LP? ok? [00:07] Sure. [00:07] ScottK when is done, ping :) [00:07] thanks [00:10] ScottK sorry, in debian/changelog what about this? [00:12] Something like "Renamed source package to lemonpos since -kde4 extension is no longer needed" [00:12] thx [00:13] rgreening: Last night you gave me a debdiff for kdesdk for boost. I find someone else has already put the change in bzr, so I'm going to upload that. === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [00:13] sure [00:28] This is what my thoughts on Jaunty are in picture form: http://imagebin.ca/view/ZNzpCYd.html [00:30] Wow. [00:30] JontheEchidna: Too much free time. Package me some plasmoids. [00:30] Workflow for producing that was: [00:31] Open ksnapshot and set delay for 10 seconds [00:31] press prt scr which now actually works in 4.2 [00:31] press crtl + f11 to activate cube [00:31] drag photo from ksnapshot onto the pastepin plasmoid [00:31] *pastebin [00:31] ^_^ [00:31] Packaging plasmoids is easy. You could have done 2 in all that effort. [00:32] ;-) [00:32] I think I'll just take that as a compliment to my packaging abilities :D [00:34] oh, but I should revu lex79's plasmoid [00:34] JontheEchidna: yes [00:34] go to work please :P [00:34] :P [00:38] lex79: looks great [00:38] sure :P [00:39] advocated [00:40] great [00:42] ScottK https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lemonpos-kde4/+bug/325153 [00:42] Launchpad bug 325153 in lemonpos-kde4 "New upstream release 0.6.1" [Undecided,New] [00:42] lex79: I'll try and have a look at it in a bit. [00:42] ok [00:48] evening [00:48] o/ [00:49] rgreening: zomg, your kde4libs package built [00:50] JontheEchidna: You are invited to review the kdesdk revision I just pushed and consider more closely your debian/changelog formatting in the future. [00:51] JontheEchidna: hahaha [00:52] ScottK: should have used mine ? [00:52] ScottK: oops, unintentional [00:52] rgreening: His change was something else. [00:52] ah :) [00:53] JontheEchidna: I've heard of mdz himself taking the time to explain proper debian/changelog formatting to people, so .... [00:53] JontheEchidna: did you see my comment in the log [00:53] yeah, I'll be more careful about that [00:53] rgreening: haha, yeah. It was the last time [00:53] I swear [00:53] ;) [00:54] have you test-driven it yet or is this still an in-theory change? [00:54] rgreening: ^ [00:54] not yet tested :) [00:55] good luck! [00:55] I will now ... updating [00:57] Assuming the lde4libs patch works, then its off to update update-notifier and push v 0.10 out the door... [00:57] s/lde4libs/kde4libs/ [00:59] next kde4libs release should rock [00:59] We already have an upstream patch for a nasty every-app-dies-on-upgrades crash [00:59] in bzr [01:06] cool [01:06] JontheEchidna: uploading new qt 4.5.0 rc1 release to PPA [01:07] awesome, once I get the systray patches for 4.4.3 squared away I'll probably upgrade [01:08] The first comment here seems worrying though: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/02/05/onwards-and-upwards/ [01:29] hmm. ya [01:30] afk, phone [02:03] lex79: I'm testbuilding now. [02:03] JontheEchidna: I get the same build failure [02:03] oh fiddlesticks [02:03] Qt4.5.0rc1 FTBFS [02:04] ScottK ok [02:04] rgreening: At least it cuts down on how much time you need to invest in testing. [02:05] true [02:07] haha [02:07] JontheEchidna: do you use pbuilder-hooks? [02:07] lex79: yes, I love them [02:08] I'm reading BuilEnvironment from Kubuntu/Ninjas wiki [02:08] but I have this error: [02:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/114315/ [02:08] ScottK: do we need/use valgrind and can it be disable in Qt? QTESTLIB_USE_VALGRIND - if disabled may get around the problem [02:09] rgreening: I think disabling is fine for a test build. [02:09] ok. [02:10] lex79: that doesn't look hook-related [02:10] Also because of our libc our definition of what the results should be may be different than upstream's. [02:10] * ScottK filed enough bugs due to that with clamav that upstream surrendered and defaulted the test to off. [02:10] lex79: you could try renaming the custompool to NOTUSED_D09Cusompool [02:10] lol [02:10] JontheEchidna: where? [02:11] in the hooks directory [02:13] ok [02:14] lex79: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [02:14] ScottK :) [02:32] * ScottK has had it with boost. [02:32] * ScottK goes on a hunt... [02:41] * astromme agress with ScottK about boost. silly templated nonsense, never seems to want to compile [02:42] The problem is moving from 1.34 to 1.35. Need to get everything with interlocking depends moved or they FTBFS. [02:42] I just got the last KDE one. [02:44] Speaking of versions... I wonder when kde trunk is going to move to 4.5 [02:44] or qt-copy, I guess that's first [02:48] OK. That turned out to be easier than I thought. Just one left. [03:00] So we removed kita2 because it depended on kdebindings for KDE3. Suddenly an svn snapshot of a KDE4 version appears. [03:00] Ironically, I find that Google tells me I'm the one that did the initial upload to the archive about a year ago. [03:00] * ScottK had no idea. [03:11] so'd you see bug 325961 then? [03:11] Launchpad bug 325961 in kita2 "Drop dependency for KDE 3 bindings" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325961 [03:12] yep [03:12] Working on it now. [03:13] Actually the guy that packaged it mailed me and asked me to look. [03:13] Since it was me that insisted his one and only package get removed, I figured I ought to sponsor it's return. [03:14] * JontheEchidna is working on the boost transition for mailody-kde4 [03:14] Excellent. [03:14] JontheEchidna: Why is it called mailody-kde4? How about we drop the kde4? [03:15] because it's still alpha, and there's a stable kde3 version still in the repos [03:15] Does it still work? [03:15] that I do not know [03:16] Just needs kdelibs and qt3, so probably. [03:16] yeah [03:16] it does all its storage with a custom sqlite backend [03:16] * ScottK decides to leave it in peace. [03:16] * ScottK shudders. [03:16] in KDE4 it uses Akonadi though [03:16] * ScottK also understands why they were first in line for Akonadi [03:16] yeah [03:26] * ScottK tests out force converting the helpless sponsoree's package to CDBS and kde4.mk. [03:31] * ScottK determines ETOOHARD and puts it back. [03:34] yeah, these systray patches cause regressions :( [03:34] some icons are all black, some are totally corrupted, and kmail isn't changing back to 0 emails [03:36] which means it'd probably be the same in Qt 4.5, since these patches are in it [03:45] * JontheEchidna is soo spoiled by cmake's build % indicator [03:45] * astromme is sick of the systray in general [03:45] systray--j [03:45] -j :P [03:46] JontheEchidna: build % may be it's best feature. [03:46] ~karma systray [03:46] systray has neutral karma [03:46] systray-- [03:46] ~karma systray [03:46] karma for systray: -1 [03:46] * astromme doesn't like the concept of things sitting there always visible just to provide notifications [03:47] * astromme edits his previous statement. That isn't always true [03:47] * ScottK stares at all the KDE goodies in New and says three times to himself, "I will NOT use my shiny new archive admin powers until after I have been properly trained." [03:47] * astromme would rather have plasmoids for the necessary bits and notifications for the rest. meh. But he would also rather be able to have a Avant Dock type launcher for his left side 2nd panel. [03:48] * astromme chuckles at ScottK [03:48] astromme will probably like the Message Indicator thingy Dx is allegedly doing to/for us. [03:49] mmm, cool. I'm always interested in new options [03:50] This may sound a lot like Avant Dock or OSX dock but I I have a containment/panel on the left full of icons, and I want to be able to merge my taskbar with it [03:54] * ScottK if fine with options. [03:54] * ScottK is gonna be very grumpy if it's in by default. [03:55] * astromme agrees. [03:55] * astromme is quite satisfied with the standard KDE 4.2 notifications/plasmoid for showing them. [03:57] Are either of you using Quassel? [03:58] astromme and JontheEchidna^^ [03:58] Yep [03:58] yes [03:58] When you get highlighted with KDE 4.2, do the notifications go away after a time or do you have to dismiss them? [03:58] Build date of Jan 27 [03:58] ScottK: they go away after a second or three [03:59] Excellent. [03:59] Yeah, that's how mine work [03:59] The Qt notifications go away automatically like that, but in 4.1, the KDE ones do not. [03:59] I was hoping that would change. [04:05] The Quassel people just committed their toolbar addition to git, so I think it's time to update the package. [04:05] ooh, nice [04:05] * JontheEchidna goes to bed [04:40] * ScottK notes a|wen testing 8.04.2 and cheers \\o/ [04:41] I think the Alpha 4 notes are missing a word [04:43] ScottK: got a few tests going :) ... i'm away for the weekend though, but i'll proceed when i get back, if there is more to do [04:44] I imagine there will be. 60% of the completed tests so far are yours. [04:44] * ScottK cheers claydoh for his testing too. [04:46] claydoh nice blog [04:46] claydoh: Quassel is about to get a toolbar, so your screenshots will need updating. [04:47] Quick 5 more people say something to claydoh. [04:47] You can compliment him on the wonderful Alpha 4 release notes if you want. [04:51] claydoh: Neat notes! [04:51] claydoh you missed a word :) [04:54] The issue in the previous preventing the coexistence [05:01] DaSkreech: It's a wiki. [05:02] Yeah but I don't know if it was the last Alpha release or the Ibex release he was reffering to [05:02] It was the last Jaunty Alpha [05:08] * ScottK sees http://wadejolson.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/a-twist-on-the-mojave-experiment/ and notes that it's either Kubuntu or Fedora becuase I saw the video garbage bug. [05:21] * astromme had the EXACT same reaction as ScottK did [05:21] including the video garbage bug! [05:22] * astromme bets its kubuntu btw [05:22] Somebody who's not me should point them at my PPA. [05:22] lol [05:22] with the backported fix? [05:22] /removal of patch [05:22] Yep. [05:23] That's in jaunty atm, right? (the absense of patch?) [05:23] Yes [05:23] * astromme just discovered the wonders of digiKam while searching (for a friend) for a replacement for iPhoto. [05:23] * astromme is hooked [05:23] * astromme also is very excited about kdenlive [05:23] You can get the KDE4 one from digikam-experimental. [05:24] ScottK: already using it =) [05:24] OK [05:24] vorian: I saw there was a new ffmpeg upload. It's probably worth a test build to see if kdenlive is broken or not. [05:24] Thanks for reminding me. [05:24] * astromme smiles [05:25] They being ZDnet? [05:25] I guess. Those two guyz. [05:25] those two at least [05:26] I think it's pretty cool that KDE is mainstream enough to be in a ZDNet podcast-ish blog-ish thing where the 'article' assumes good knowledge of KDE and KDE4 [05:39] No new Quassel tonight. Current snapshot is very crashy. [05:44] Funny quote from another place, "I once named a network printer, "pileoshit" but in reality, it sort of named itself." [05:45] astromme: Ha ha Thats going to be more interesting when people run KDE4 on Windows 7 [05:47] DaSkreech: Exactly =). We're taking over, muhaha. [05:49] * astromme marvels at digiKam. So cool [05:49] why I never used this before I have no idea.... [05:49] GeoTagging, Great tagging support, albums "how I want them" based on folders, "use my current directory structure" , browse by date/exif/tags/geo... [05:51] Yeah I generally have that or the other when using KDE stuff [05:52] "That or the other"? Maybe I'm just sleepy but I don't understand [05:52] There almost always seems to be this tipping point between Wow This needs a hell of a lot of work to suddenly WHY DIDN"T SOMEONE TELL ME??? [05:52] oh, yeah, so true [05:53] kdenlive before 0.7? that was the former. now it's the latter... amazing [05:53] My reaction to trying some new random KDE app is normally one or the other [05:53] I think that's probably a good thing [05:54] Depends on which reaction I have more doesn't it? :) [05:54] True, true [05:55] In my experience there has been more of the latter with the transistion to kde4 [05:56] I feel like a lot of app writers took this as a "woah, this can be our big jump" transition [05:57] Or the multi year transistion just gave them a lot of time to do work? [06:21] DaSkreech: that could be. But they could have continued to release kde3 apps in that time (and many did) [06:21] Yep [06:22] Though with the two that I Talk to a lot they did releases becuase they needed to clean up project stuff to make a good jump to KDE4 [06:22] They need help though :) [06:24] And then there is stuff like Krecipe which jumped to KDE4 then died :( [06:29] =/. So sad [06:29] well I'm off. I have class in 5 hours... meh [06:32] Night [08:32] I've just seen the announcement of alpha 4 on kubuntu.org. I'd like to ask you to add another point to the known issues section: Due to bug 325690 one should not use encrypted lvm, because this may result in an unbootable setup. [08:32] Launchpad bug 325690 in udev "udev has wrong name for devmapper devices, cryptsetup initramfs hook fails" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325690 [08:33] rbrunhuber: go ahead, it's a wiki :) [08:35] riddell: I'd like to see the hint written by a native speaker on such a prominent place... [08:36] rbrunhuber: copy and paste from your line above reads fine [08:41] * Riddell uploads amarok [08:41] Riddell: It's added now. [08:45] Riddell: I've just seen they have a text on the ubuntu release notes page. Can i copy this? It is more precise. [08:46] rbrunhuber: sure [08:50] is there a reason why dolphin from hardy-updates doesn't ship any *.mo file? [08:54] they are available for en and pt from language-pack-kde-[en|pt]-base but all others are missing [09:07] JontheEchidna: I uploaded your kdebase-workspace changes (after first failing to upload them) [09:08] JontheEchidna: should that klipper patch be put into svn? [09:22] * Sime is almost ready to leave for FOSDEM. [09:23] Sime: see you this evening [09:28] cya [09:36] rgreening: update-notifier-kde uploaded, you can mark your branch as merged [09:57] Riddell: lensfun got through new. MIR bug 325858 and bug 324523 are now waiting for MIR-team [09:57] Launchpad bug 325858 in lensfun "Main inclusion request for lensfun" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325858 [09:57] Launchpad bug 324523 in opencv "Main inclusion request for OpenCV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324523 [09:57] Riddell: how long does it take to process MIRs? [09:58] Lure: it varies greatly, poke asac if it doesn't happen by middle of next week [09:59] Riddell: ok, will do [12:23] amarok is compiled in the archive, who wants to test? [12:24] Riddell: You might push it to kubuntu-experimental too? [12:25] ScottK: for intrepid? [12:26] Yeah [12:27] Get more testers that way [12:30] might wait on that until I have some bandwidth === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [12:45] Riddell: yeah, no clue why it wasn't committed before === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [13:05] Tonio_, Riddell: tpatzig told me that kdeblueooth will hide/unhide when adapter is (not) available. So is additional 'complicatpython-dbus-docion' of using autostart kblueplugd to kill/start kbluetooth4 instead of using hide/unhide of kbluetooth4 directly. IMHO upstream deviation is not worth it. (Assumed that kbluetooth4 will not crash on adapter unplug anymore) [13:06] alleeJaunty: sounds like there's no reason at all to have kblueplugd then [13:07] if kdeblueooth now does what kblueplugd was for [13:09] Riddell: by the way, the systray qt-copy patches cause regressions [13:09] While it is true that it stops flickering/background corruption for most tray icons [13:10] a few get totally corrupted or are completely black or steal the icon of their neighbor [13:10] and kmail's unread mail counter doesn't get updated back to 0 after I read my mail [13:10] (but it does get updated otherwise) [13:11] hmm, bummer [13:11] JontheEchidna: so probably our best hope is for qt 4.5 to be problem free and go with that [13:11] well, these patches come from Qt 4.5 [13:13] Think it'd be worth a shot bringing these issues to the attention to the patches' author and see if he has any insights? [13:13] yes worth a shot indeed [13:13] ok [13:14] * JontheEchidna shoves that on today's todo list [13:14] b.k.o is borked. Again. [13:19] it's disappointingly easy for that site to be DoSed [13:20] Riddell: make: /usr/bin/extract-messages.sh: Command not found for update-notifier-kde build [13:21] rgreening: have you been in contact with _StefanS_? he said he could help with kpackagekit [13:21] humph [13:21] i think Tonio_ knows him [13:21] seele: Haven't heard from, nope.. and by all means, halp :P [13:22] rgreening: oh, how did testing of your kde4libs patch go? [13:23] JontheEchidna: never went (yet). I'll reboot/test shortly. [13:32] I'm going to package rbutil, I'm supposed to create .desktop entry for kde and gnome? [13:35] * ScottK wonders if rgreening has seen http://www.datenex.de/blog/archives/9-Would-you-like-fast-or-faster.html and wishes he was here to ask. [13:36] JontheEchidna: still no debsym amd64 pkg for kdebluetooth-dbgsym_0.3-0ubuntu2 Maybe a new upload with this kosmetic patch? http://pastebin.ca/1328970 [13:37] Quintasan: if it's a desktop app it should have a .desktop file for the application menu. one files works for all desktops [13:40] Riddell: one more thing. how do I get it copied to the right directory? I mean, should I create it and copy to debian dir or what? [13:41] Quintasan: if upstream doesn't have it put one in the debian/ directory and add an entry in your .install file "debian/foo.desktop usr/share/applications/foo.desktop" [13:41] Riddell: thanks [13:42] Quintasan: and sent the file upstream so it get's added to next release [13:52] * jussi01 waves to khashayar [13:53] * khashayar waves back [13:56] Hi Riddell! [13:56] Riddell, Have you already uploaded PackageKit? [13:58] glatzor: no [13:59] Riddell: Can I use .install file to copy icons? like "rbutilqt/icons/rbutil.png usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/rbutil.png"? [13:59] Quintasan: yes [13:59] .install of course [14:01] JontheEchidna: I'm not sure how to trigger it to show up [14:04] rgreening: I would guess that you'd need to have flash uninstalled and go to a page that needs flash [14:05] you'd probably have to remove the plugin manually if you had flash installed before, uninstalling flashplugin-nonfree probably won't remove it [14:05] or maybe it would, I don't know [14:06] grrr I can't make it build, if I want to build it I use qmake and then make and it creates a binary in rbutilqt, when using debuild it compiles lots of file and fails, log: http://wklej.org/id/49405/ debian/rules: http://wklej.org/id/49407/ [14:07] I don't have it installed and tried that JontheEchidna [14:08] Im thinking the mime type "Shockwave" is something different [14:08] JontheEchidna: ^ [14:08] hmm [14:09] http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/02/06/100-beautiful-free-textures/ [14:09] that second picture looks like Riddell's sweater [14:09] Quintasan: try using qmake-qt4 instead of qmake ? [14:10] seele: hah, lovely :) [14:11] JontheEchidna: I think I am back to porting the other patch... [14:11] JontheEchidna: I just need someone to help with kde3support qt3support and compilation [14:13] maybe you could use a little kDebug() to check if the mimetype's being detected properly or if there's a bug in the presentation of the window, etc [14:13] I could look in to that I suppose [14:13] rgreening: could you pastebin the quilt patch? [14:14] sure... JontheEchidna [14:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/114712/ [14:15] thx [14:16] while you're porting I can tinker [14:16] JontheEchidna: I need to integrate kdesu (forgot to). However, I never get a popup warning or anything, which means the plugin isn't being requested. [14:16] JontheEchidna: install-package isn't being requested to run at all [14:16] :( [14:17] Riddell, I am now arriving at the airport and have to stop working. I would like to fix the introspection before you upload. so uploading tomorrow would be fine. [14:17] Riddell, see you! [14:19] rgreening: hrm, Shockwave Flash should be the correct mime name [14:19] * JontheEchidna will investigate [14:19] JontheEchidna: ok [14:19] http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail2000.swf [14:19] the konqueror "what to do with this file" dialog says as much, anyway [14:22] JontheEchidna: Try this site... http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ [14:22] JontheEchidna: that works as expected... why? [14:23] rgreening: oh, you mean that gave you a prompt? [14:23] yes JontheEchidna [14:23] :o [14:23] So, there are differences.... [14:23] which site did it fail on? [14:23] youtube, cnn, etc... [14:24] they all seem to have handlers I guess [14:24] JontheEchidna: the question is can we bypass those? [14:24] handlers? [14:25] JontheEchidna: well, go to youtube and it has a box that says "you don't have flash" [14:25] meh [14:25] we could screen scrape the webpage :D [14:25] JontheEchidna: feel free [14:25] * JontheEchidna hides [14:25] :P [14:27] here's an idea [14:27] let's set the default homepage to badgersbadgersbadgers.com [14:27] :P [14:30] O.o [14:30] haha [14:30] we need a Jackalaupe version [14:30] I uninstalled flashplugin-nonfree but I still have flash [14:30] JontheEchidna: rescan plugins [14:30] ah [14:30] brb [14:34] JontheEchidna: so technically, the patch works (with the kdesu exception and I can fix that). However, it's not feature complete and it would be nice to be able to not have to use install package and maybe instead just have it grab the deb and extract the plugin and install local [14:36] rgreening: Did you see http://www.datenex.de/blog/archives/9-Would-you-like-fast-or-faster.html and are you using that option? [14:37] reading... [14:37] ScottK: oh... nice. will try that [14:39] * ScottK would like it faster. [14:41] Qt 4.5.0 FTBFS. Here's the fix... http://lists.trolltech.com/pipermail/qt4-preview-feedback/2009-February/000406.html [14:41] rgreening, ScottK: that sounds like the sort of things which is video driver dependant. at least I'd look into why it's not the default from upstream before we turn it on in the archive [14:41] * Riddell wanders off to FOSDEM [14:41] ScottK: I wonder if we can patch/add an environment setting to read :) [14:41] Riddell: ^ [14:41] Then you can turn it on/off at will [14:42] rgreening: even without the patch, I get a prompt from konq at badgerbadger but not from youtube [14:43] just not the install-package-style prompt :P [14:43] I would deem this to be a kde4libs bug [14:44] JontheEchidna: whats the patch say/do? [14:44] rgreening: you mean the prompt? [14:44] JontheEchidna: whats the prompt say/do? [14:44] ya [14:45] It's the "no plugin found" one [14:45] cause my patch says download from Ubuntu and it runs install-package. What the current thing do? [14:45] "do you want to download one from macromedia" [14:45] right. and try it. [14:45] not supported [14:45] it takes me to the macromedia page [14:45] right [14:45] where I can download flash [14:45] and does it say browser unsuported? [14:46] at badgerbadger? [14:46] no, when you click [14:47] when I click download it takes me here: [14:47] http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [14:47] really. hmm... [14:47] ok, so not sure what to do then [14:48] well, your patch is a definite improvement anyway [14:48] JontheEchidna: I wish we could get it to do the same on the CNN/Youtube sites. [14:48] since when kdelibs *is* in the mood to detect flash, the user doesn't have to manually install [14:48] rgreening: yeah, me too [14:49] JontheEchidna: can you investigate a bit. I am going to patch Qt and re-upload [14:49] ok [14:49] ty [14:49] y'know, if we end up going with webkit this patch wouldn't work anyways [14:49] maybe the patch could be applied to qtwebkit though? [14:54] JontheEchidna: maybe. I also assume the user could switch between kits [15:00] ScottK: I think we can patch Qt/KDE to check for the existance of an ENV var (i.e. QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM) and set it to empty by default. We can then edit it and try raster or opengl. See if there are issues and if none and looks good, we can set to raster (and the user can turn off if there are issues). [15:01] Interesting. [15:01] :) [15:01] ScottK: I just tried opengl and konqueror craps out. raster seems fine though [15:01] Cool [15:02] rgreening: there's quite a difference between how badgerbadger and youtube embed flash [15:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/114740/ [15:05] JontheEchidna: I think the patch needs JavaScript and not just http URL detection. [15:06] ScottK: I dont notice any speed improvements (nothing drastic anyway) [15:07] OK, well it seems worth experimenting with. [15:27] JontheEchidna: I wonder.. try kdebugdialog and run konq to youtube and badger and compare. See if we can decipher why they are different [15:28] seele, rgreening: _StefanS_ said he would help, so I sent him to seele to get infos on the todo and improvements needed [15:31] rgreening: select all? [15:32] (in kdebugdialog) [15:32] oh, just select konqueror [15:34] Tonio_: ty [15:34] JontheEchidna: sure [15:35] JontheEchidna: I think the kparts and khtml are the most critical in debuggin though... [15:35] oh [15:36] JontheEchidna: I think youtube is runing some javascript check and it's not getting picked up by as the page itself doesn't contain the swf, but gets loaded if the check passes. we'dhave to overcome that [15:37] ok, got output for badger [15:38] yeah, I get the javascript flash check and no embed debug info [15:38] on youtube [15:39] "http://srv04.netjdn.com/~badgerb/badger.swf" "application/x-shockwave-flash" ("movie="http://srv04.netjdn.com/~badgerb/badger.swf"", "quality="high"", "__KHTML__PLUGINEMBED="YES"", [15:52] rgreening: yeah, the methodology of this patch is probably insufficient to handle all cases [15:52] since it only notifies the user if there's an embed [15:53] what approach does the kde3 patch use? [15:53] JontheEchidna: I'll paste it for you. [15:54] I would still consider committing the prompt-on-embed patch [15:54]