[01:33] <Rocket2DMn> Hey guys, I have a question about configuring an upstream link for an Ubuntu package
[01:33] <Rocket2DMn> the package "telepathy-stream-engine" has no upstream links defined, and i think it should be "stream-engine" - https://launchpad.net/stream-engine
[01:34] <Rocket2DMn> I don't see anything in the trunk, is it still OK to make the connection?
[01:35] <kiko-afk> yes, it's okay
[01:36] <Rocket2DMn> its ok to make that connection? ive never done this before
[01:37] <beuno> Rocket2DMn, sure it is
[01:38] <Rocket2DMn> ok thanks kiko-afk and beuno
[01:39] <beuno> Rocket2DMn, setting these upstream links helps in Launchpad in general, so thanks for takin the time to do it  ;)
[01:39] <kiko-afk> Rocket2DMn, thanks for adding the data, it's really cool to see them going in
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> its no problem, i filed a bug upstream already for it, it's just the first time i've tried to draw those connections in LP
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> for it = some bug
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> bug 322368 in case youre interested, i wanted the upstream link to be available at the top
[11:28] <lamothe> Hi all, are normal users able to disable/delete a project?
[11:37] <maxb> Don't think so, there are regularly people in here being asked to file a request at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad for that
[11:44] <lamothe> maxb: Ok, Thanks.
[12:50] <lamothe> I've just had an argument with one of the ArchLinux packagers who claims that if I'm not willing to implement other people's features then I should close up Me TV and not release it under the GPL.
[12:50] <lamothe> Also, he claims that I should not utilise open source hosting sites such as SourceForge and LaunchPad.
[12:50] <lamothe> Has he got a point?
[12:51] <lamothe> Am I obliged to care if I use LP?
[12:52] <Ursinha> you can host it at launchpad if your project is GPL or compatible
[12:52] <Ursinha> if not, you can't, unless you pay for it
[12:54] <lamothe> From my understanding of the GPL (which is indeed the license), I'm not obligated to listen to what other people want, am I?
[12:54] <lamothe> I mean I do listen ... but if unless I want the feature, I'm not doing it.
[12:55] <maxb> Indeed, there's no obligation to do work for other people
[12:55] <lamothe> Ok, maybe if a blind guy asked me to help him out then I might do it.
[12:55] <bac> lamothe: obligated? no.  if your source is available (as it must be) the other party can fork your project and do as they wish.
[12:56] <lamothe> Not even, I throw/merge/patch/xcopy anything in there.
[12:56] <bac> lamothe: but it may be an opportunity for you to try to compromise with the user and perhaps get a collaborator.
[12:56] <lamothe> I really don't care, as long as it works for me.
[12:56] <lamothe> bac: Nice, now this has my attention.
[12:57] <maxb> Are they demanding you write features for them, or are they grizzling that you don't want to merge patches that they write?
[12:58] <lamothe> maxb: Neither ... and here's the grey bit. They are saying that if I say "It's not my problem that my product doesn't support your system" then I'm not acting within GPL and that I should stop using LP an SF.  Sure, it's harsh .. but I've got a life like the rest of us.
[12:59] <maxb> Oh, Well in that case they're just being morons. The GPL doesn't promise support
[12:59] <lamothe> i.e Not my problem = I don't care ... sure it's harsh but I'm stretched very thin here.
[13:01] <lamothe> Well he got kinda nasty (I'm a cry baby) and it got me thinking, why am I dealing with this ... hence the mention of a collaborator really got me thinking.
[13:03] <bac> lamothe:  FTR,as maxb said his mention of GPL violation is bogus and therefore you are, of course, welcome to continue using LP.  but, as a tactic, it may be interesting to suggest he submit a patch, which puts the ball in his court rather than you having to be defensive over your lack of resources (time) to solve his problem.
[13:04] <lamothe> bac: Oh man, if I had a penny for every time I tried the old "submit a patch thing" ... that's what started the war.  "I don't have time to learn to code", "A developer can do it faster" ... hence I say, it's not my problem.
[13:05] <lamothe> This is not the first one either.  FOSS is sucking my will to live!!!
[13:05] <bac> lamothe: :)
[13:06] <lamothe> Well thanks for letting me rant (and the advice) I won't take any more of your valuable time.  But for now Me TV lives on .... VICTORY!!!
[14:25] <MagicFab> Hi all
[14:25] <MagicFab> How can I edit a FAQ in Answers ?
[14:26] <epsy> MagicFab, Edit question on the right panel?
[14:27] <MagicFab> no, edit the FAQ article itself
[14:29] <barry> MagicFab: i'm not sure, but let me see if i can find out for you
[14:29] <MagicFab> epsy, barry tx
[14:30] <MagicFab> I have a huge typo in this one,  https://answers.launchpad.net/dell-mini/+faq/308
[14:30] <epsy> yw
[14:30] <MagicFab> surprised there's no obvious way to change it :)
[14:32] <barry> MagicFab: do you see a Edit FAQ action above List all FAQs on the right?
[14:32] <barry> oic, that's what epsy was suggesting
[14:33] <barry> MagicFab: why doesn't that do what you want it to do?
[14:34] <MagicFab> nope
[14:34] <MagicFab> I only see "List all FAQs"
[14:35] <barry> MagicFab: i think that means you don't have the permission to edit it.  if you /did/ have permission, you'd see that link and you'd be able to edit the faq title, keywords and content
[14:35] <MagicFab> So... other than being the original author, what other permission would be required and how would I obtain it ?
[14:35] <barry> MagicFab: fwiw, i don't see that link on that faq either
[14:36] <barry> MagicFab: good question!  i would think as the original author, you'd have that permission.  that seems like a bug to me
[14:36] <barry> MagicFab: let me see if i can find out who has permissions to edit a faq
[14:40] <barry> MagicFab: if i'm reading the code correctly, it looks liek you have to be a member of the answer contact team for dell-mini
[14:47] <MagicFab> barry, that's odd
[14:47]  * MagicFab tries that
[14:48] <MagicFab> barry, thank you! I'd have never figured that out. I recently quit being a contact there.
[14:49] <MagicFab> barry, I guess we need to add that to the FAQ's FAQ :)
[14:49] <barry> MagicFab: :)  glad to help!
[17:21] <c_korn> hello. why keep I getting this mail although I have already deleted the package in the PPA? http://pastebin.com/m39ae1794
[17:26] <maxb> c_korn: You can't re-upload a version even after it's been deleted, AFAIK
[17:27] <c_korn> maxb: so what do I have to do? change the revision number to 1~ppa2 ?
[17:28] <maxb> Yes
[17:41] <c_korn> maxb: thanks, that worked
[18:26] <maxb> staging is down?
[18:28]  * Ursinha looks
[18:30] <Ursinha> maxb, we're working to put it up again
[18:31] <maxb> Is it worth putting in the channel topic?
[18:32] <Ursinha> :)
[18:37] <thekorn> staging seems to be down,
[18:37] <thekorn> ups sorry, I need to read before writing
[18:48] <Ursinha> maxb, thanks for the topic suggestion :)
[18:49] <aboudreault> hi folks..
[18:49] <aboudreault> is it possible to have a private groupd on launchpad (no public member) but to have public mailing list ?
[18:53] <barry> aboudreault: currently we only provide private membership teams, and those only on a special basis.  usually open source projects don't have them.  however, private membership teams (currently) implies private mailing lists
[18:53] <aboudreault> ha :(
[18:54] <aboudreault> so.. everyone can upload a package on the groupd PPA without restriction ? i don't like this so much
[18:55] <domas> just create separate ppa team
[18:55] <barry> aboudreault: maybe a restricted membership team would work for this?  iow, you can control who is on the team, but the membership is still public
[18:55] <barry> domas: right
[18:56] <aboudreault> can't make restricted membership because people want to follow the Mailing list
[18:57] <domas> or make separate mailing list team
[18:57] <domas> :)
[18:57] <barry> aboudreault: aboudreault it's probably best to have two separate teams.  one that controls permission to the ppa and one for your mailing list
[18:57] <aboudreault> ok, it think i'll do this.
[18:58] <domas> launchpad is about functionality, not esthetics
[18:58]  * domas ducks
[18:58] <aboudreault> :)
[19:00] <barry> domas: we're working on it! :)
[19:02] <domas> barry: oh well, you got probably most round corners out of every other project hosting site
[19:02] <domas> :)
[19:02] <domas> still lack some ajax
[19:02] <barry> domas: stay tuned! :)
[19:35] <vadi2> Are there any tools to automate the download/upload of lp translations?
[20:21] <barry> vadi2: have you looked at the API and launchpadlib?
[20:21] <vadi2> Heard of it - but I'm inept with python
[20:22] <barry> vadi2: you can program directly to the REST interface, but that's a low level interface.  i'm not aware of any other language bindings to it though
[20:23] <barry> vadi2: other than that i'm not aware of any other such tools
[20:24] <vadi2> I see
[20:25] <vadi2> barry: "https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib" doesn't mention anything about translations
[20:26] <vadi2> I suspect that's not in yet
[20:26] <barry> vadi2: that's possible too.  i can take a quick peek at the code
[20:33] <barry> vadi2: looks like that's correct. afaict, translations are not exported yet
[20:34] <vadi2> :\ ok. I found an upload script here: https://www.limewire.org/fisheye/browse/limecvs/public/launchpad-autoget/src/main/python/templateuploader but it doesn't work anymore as I was told
[20:35] <vadi2> um, I think some translator put in their password for a string called "Password:"
[20:36] <vadi2> because I got some suggestions and then a "j2VMyLknQGzB" string.
[20:38] <kiko> vadi2, gotta give that person a special medal
[20:39] <vadi2> heh
[20:40] <vadi2> At least it's a good password
[21:12] <barry> vadi2: i've contact the ubuntu russian translators.  if they have perms to delete that, i hope they will
[21:29] <c_korn> hello. why are there builds in the queue although there are idle machines? https://launchpad.net/+builds
[21:30] <vadi2> c_korn: they're taking a coffee break
[21:32] <stdin> it takes a minute for the builders to remove and then unpack the chroot