[00:11] <zcat[1]> firefox won't play nice with fusion .. no windows decorations. Works file with metacity though and everything else I tried is OK with fusion. any ideas? anyone else seing this?
[00:57] <DanaG> yay:
[00:57] <DanaG>     - enable the intrepid version of the mixer capplet rather than the new one       (lp: #324807)
[01:10] <shadowhywind> does anyone know how to change the font color of a current session in konsole
[01:32] <FFForever> anyone around?
[01:55] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[01:56] <charlie-tca> There appears to be 148 people just waiting here.
[02:02] <FFForever> charlie-tca, has the sound bug been fixed?
[02:10] <charlie-tca> I do not know. Do you have a bug number? Sound for me works okay
[02:46] <zcat[1]> firefox won't play nice with fusion .. no windows decorations. Works file with metacity though and everything else I tried is OK with fusion. any ideas? anyone else seing this?
[02:49] <FFForever> charlie-tca, when i was on 9.04 (beta disk 3) there was a pa update and it broke the sound =(
[02:50] <charlie-tca> I see. Alpha4 released today. Maybe it is fixed in it
[02:55] <td123> how is alpha 4 looking (I might try but I want to know if there are any show stoppers that would prevent me from using it daily)
[02:56] <charlie-tca> As with any Alpha release, it is alpha. Expect it to break.
[02:59] <td123> charlie-tca: I remember back in 7.10 alpha 3, it was usable as a normal desktop because I'm not that afraid of most bugs :)
[02:59] <td123> charlie-tca: I guess I'll try it in virtualbox first and see
[02:59] <charlie-tca> I use it daily. Some days it works great, some days it don't really work so good.
[03:00] <charlie-tca> I don't need the sound, and I don't use compiz. Maybe that helps
[03:00] <td123> charlie-tca: no sound?
[03:01] <charlie-tca> Only on some days
[03:01] <charlie-tca> Mine is working today.
[03:01] <td123> lol "some days" you mean it depends on days or updates or..
[03:01] <charlie-tca> two days ago, it did not work, for 2-3 days
[03:01] <td123> charlie-tca: so how did you fix it?
[03:02] <charlie-tca> wait for the updates. Everything catches up in time
[03:02] <td123> charlie-tca: so the updates fixed it right?
[03:02] <td123> charlie-tca: thanks for the warning then
[03:02] <charlie-tca> yes, but it was gone for 2 or 3 days
[03:03] <charlie-tca> I do run VirtualBox also, in jaunty
[03:03] <td123> charlie-tca: I guess I'll try it then (I thought it mysteriously "worked" :D)
[03:03] <charlie-tca> I can't run the guest additions, since they remove all the video drivers when it is installed
[03:03] <zcat[1]> OK, same problem. Firefox in compiz (with gtk or emerald) gives me no decorations. Everything else has decorations including running firefox through ssh -X from my hardy machine.
[03:04] <zcat[1]> ... and including running 'ssh -X localhost firefox' if that helps narrow it down at all?
[03:06] <zcat[1]> anyone here at all?
[03:06] <zcat[1]> so is anyone else seing the same problem? and ideas how I could narrow it down and figure out what's going on?
[03:07] <charlie-tca> good luck, td123
[03:08] <zcat[1]> hello?
[03:08] <charlie-tca> zcat[1]: I don't have an answer to that
[03:08] <td123> ty
[04:30] <ziroday`> Hi, are the new notifications meant to be in jaunty?
[04:30] <Kuaera> ziroday`: That's a bit vague...
[04:31] <tritium> ziroday`: yes
[04:32] <ziroday`> tritium: Kuaera: right, looking at the release notes but can't understand where the notification menu is
[04:32] <ziroday`> nevermind found it :)
[04:35] <zcat[1]> OK, same problem. Firefox in compiz (with gtk or emerald) gives me no decorations. Everything else has decorations including running firefox through ssh -X from my hardy machine, but not using ssh -X localhost
[04:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/325191
[04:50] <DanaG> ugh.
[04:56] <zcat[1]> found a fix for my problem.. compizconfig workarounds 'legacy fullscreen support' needs to be turned off, if anybody comes in with the same issues
[06:50] <DanaG> Anyone know how to get a Ricoh SDHCI controller to work in Jaunty?
[06:50] <DanaG> It didn't work in Intrepid, either.
[07:12] <DanaG> Weird... my SDHC reader works in EFI boot mode.
[07:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and now I can use my HP diskprotect LED as an SDHC reader activity LED.
[07:16] <DanaG> So the HDD LED will blink orange on SDHC activity and blue on HDD activity.
[07:34] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f5e7e51ae
[07:39] <DanaG> http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.1/00064.html
[07:42]  * DanaG sure hopes Jaunty will use 2.6.29 kernel -- it'll mean I'll be able to use my accelerometer to protect my hard drive.
[07:48] <syockit> Now that I have an applet for my power settings, do I still need guidance-power-manager?
[07:52] <zniavre> hello
[07:52] <zniavre> i can 't install vlc and/or mplayer cause libx264.59 ? am i alone ?
[07:52] <zniavre> !bug lbx264
[09:46] <zeltak> hi guys
[09:46] <zeltak> just updated to jaunty alpha 4 and it seems to work well. one Q though
[09:46] <zeltak> during the upgarde i choose to keep existing grub and now i cant get the kernel 2.6.8 to load, how do reconfigure the grub?
[10:32] <CameronShorter_> Hello, I'm wanting to know how I can help get the package "qgis" back into the ubuntu distribution. "qgis" has recently released a stable 1.0 version, and has a bundled .deb file, instructions for installing from the PPA is here: http://download.qgis.org/downloads.rhtml
[10:33] <syockit> !packaging
[10:33] <CameronShorter_> thanks, I'll start looking there.
[10:34] <zeltak> hi during the upgarde i choose to keep existing grub and now i cant get the kernel 2.6.8 to load, does anyone know how do reconfigure the grub?
[11:06] <Wicla> Hello! Anyone else having problems with installing mplayer and vlc? libx264-59 isn't available and therefor breaks the installation. Something I've caused or is it known?
[11:12] <syockit> libx264-59 seems to have been superseded by libx264-65. vlc/mplayer needs to be repackaged with that
[11:12] <syockit> btw libx264-59 is deleted from the repo
[11:13] <Wicla> okey.
[11:15] <Wicla> Good to know. :)
[11:32] <syockit> Wicla: I'm currently building vlc on ppa, let me see if it works
[11:44]  * robin0800  Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 4 Released see http://www.kubuntu.org/
[11:46] <syockit> great, it's compiling
[12:03] <syockit> damn I forgot to bump the version!!!
[12:10] <syockit> Wicla: got them built at https://launchpad.net/~syockit+launch/+archive/ppa/ . Check them out!
[12:11] <syockit> Wicla: as the version number is the same, there might be some problem if you try to install using package name directly. Use either aptitude or synaptic to select different source for the package
[12:11] <syockit> Wicla: mplayer is also there, if you want
[12:24] <syockit> just tested vlc, it works fine and dandy
[12:37] <c_korn> hello, don't know if this the right channel to ask, but: in corporation with the scilab devels I have been able to compile scilab-5 for intrepid. I subscribed the ubuntu archive admins to the bug report to let them see if it can make it into jaunty. https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/scilab/+bug/272264 are the any additional steps required?
[12:41] <maxb> c_korn: The archive admins really are not the right people for that sort of thing - updating a package is a not an administrative action
[12:42] <Wicla> Thanks syockit. VLC worked well. Couldn't manage to get hold of mplayer package though. Just didn't want to show up
[12:42] <c_korn> their description says: ... handling requests for package syncs from external repositories ... and I have compiled scilab in this PPA. https://launchpad.net/~getdeb.packages/+archive/ppa so it would just be a sync
[12:45] <maxb> c_korn: Ah, in that case, you want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess, specifically the bit about needing an ACK from ubuntu-universe-sponsors first
[12:46] <maxb> As this concerns development of universe/multiverse packages, the #ubuntu-motu channel is the most on-topic place to discuss it
[12:47] <maxb> Also, I don't think the sync request would be processed whilst there are still dependencies that need to be updated / added first before the package will build
[12:53] <maxb> c_korn: So, what needs to happen is to file sync requests for fop and xmlgraphics-common, and to ask on #ubuntu-motu how to deal with adding a package which is currently stuck in Debian NEW (jeuclid), and then to update the scilab bug noting the bugs relating to all these dependencies, and turning it into a proper sync request too.
[12:54] <c_korn> ok, thanks
[12:56] <maxb> (and move quickly - feature freeze isn't that far off)
[12:56] <syockit> are vlc and mplayer also merged from debian?
[14:15] <Oli``> What's a well-supported, "good" inkjet printer for Ubuntu? Current one is just about to run out of ink (and it doesn't tolerate Linux at all) so we're looking for something a little better.
[14:18] <TheInfinity> Oli``: most hp printers do so
[14:18] <TheInfinity> depends on model
[14:34]  * gourgi going live-testing A4 by usb-creator
[14:35]  * gnomefreak not having such good luck with it but its not A4 its somerthing else
[14:37] <Dillizar> hi
[14:38] <Dillizar> i have a info that on the new ubuntu there will be a MTP support
[14:38] <Dillizar> so can i have more info
[14:41] <gnomefreak> Dillizar: did you try looking at the site for A4 and/or the site that gives you what is planned
[14:42] <Oli``> Dillizar: are you talking about MPT?
[14:42] <Dillizar> media players
[14:45] <gnomefreak> i would need more info since there are 10s of thousands packages
[14:46] <Dillizar> :D
[14:51] <Oli``> Wow why are dot-matrix printers so expensive?
[14:52] <Dillizar> cuz of the movie :D
[15:22] <zniavre> hello
[15:23] <zniavre> with last update of xserver i can start gnome with vesa but not whit nvidia(173) driver what is going wrong please?
[15:28] <BUGabundo1> zniavre: know prob with ABI bump
[15:28] <BUGabundo1> you need to add ignore abi to xorg
[15:28] <gnomefreak> zuyou can start it with 173 (atleast i can) but its not any better than with "nv" driver
[15:29] <gnomefreak> cant run compiz with 173 or with nv driver as of yesterday and no updates today with them
[15:29] <legodude> is 180 working?
[15:29] <zniavre> but just before this update this driver worked quite well
[15:29] <BUGabundo1> gnomefreak: I'm runnng it on 180
[15:30] <BUGabundo1> but I need to reload the manager
[15:30] <BUGabundo1> 'cause the 1st time, doesn't work, and I loose all widnows borders
[15:31] <zniavre> !nvidia
[15:36] <gnomefreak> they are installible atleast here
[15:37] <zniavre> BUGabundo1:  do you hav a link for this Abi option please ?
[15:37] <zniavre> !ABI
[15:39] <BUGabundo1> zniavre: I'll have to look for it
[15:40] <BUGabundo1> its on a wiki and on LP too
[15:40] <zniavre> ok thank you
[15:40] <BUGabundo1> Section "ServerFlags"
[15:40] <BUGabundo1> 	Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[15:40] <BUGabundo1> EndSection
[15:41] <BUGabundo1> here is my xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/114769/
[15:47] <zniavre> thank you
[16:08] <UbuntuUser666> Can someone please tell me a good Delphi DEcompiler 4 ubuntu?
[16:14] <TheInfinity> UbuntuUser666: i dont think this exists because delphis primary target is windows ...
[16:15] <TheInfinity> btw: wrong channel.
[16:59] <legodude_> anyone know why KDE won't start for me?
[16:59] <chris__> can someone help me setup my nvidia gfx card?, i ran nvidia-detector but it says nothing was found =\
[17:00] <legodude_> I try and log in, and it gets stuck on the last icon of the splash screen
[17:00] <legodude_> chris__: it also says none on my system
[17:01] <legodude_> !nvidia
[17:01] <legodude_> !nvidia > chris__
[17:01] <chris__> i know about the ignoreabi.....
[17:03] <chris__> legodude, how do i set the ignoreABI?
[17:03] <chris__> i forgot...
[17:08] <legodude_> Section "ServerFlags"
[17:08] <legodude_>     Option    "IgnoreABI"    "True"
[17:08] <legodude_> EndSection
[17:23] <FFForever> any idea on why i can click on the gstreamer plugins-bad? i cant check it 2 install....
[17:51] <wilhart> hey, ppl i upgraded in jaorty xorg-core and now they dont work
[17:51] <BUGabundo> wilhart: what doesn't work?
[17:51] <BUGabundo> Xorg? GDM? proprietary drivers?
[17:51] <wilhart> xorg
[17:51] <BUGabundo> and wilhart its Jaunty, not jaorty
[17:51] <wilhart> yea gnome doesnt start
[17:52] <wilhart> kde lockson jam
[17:52] <wilhart> jaunty yea :D
[17:52] <BUGabundo> is it GDM or KDM?
[17:52] <wilhart> gdm
[17:52] <wilhart> and kdm
[17:52] <wilhart> both doesnt work
[17:52] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:52] <BUGabundo> go to a TTY stop both of them and try startx
[17:52] <BUGabundo> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:52] <BUGabundo> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[17:52] <BUGabundo> $ startx
[17:52] <wilhart> yea tried that!
[17:53] <wilhart> i deleted .gnome*
[17:53] <wilhart> and .gconf*
[17:53] <wilhart> still doesnt start. they had 2hours ago an xorg upgrade!!
[17:53] <wilhart> in repo
[17:53] <BUGabundo> do you have a nvidia/ati?
[17:53] <wilhart> probably have to wait for fix release
[17:53] <wilhart> nvidia!
[17:53] <BUGabundo> did you distrupagrade from ibex?
[17:53] <BUGabundo> or were already using jaunty?
[17:54] <wilhart> ehm yeap with upgrade-manader
[17:54] <wilhart> manager
[17:54] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d ?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> I think you just need to ignore ABI
[17:54] <wilhart> yep :D
[17:54] <BUGabundo> didn't you read the release notes?
[17:54] <wilhart> abi ?
[17:54] <wilhart> yea
[17:55] <BUGabundo> just add this to your xorg
[17:55] <BUGabundo> Section "ServerFlags"
[17:55] <BUGabundo> 	Option "IgnoreABI" "True"
[17:55] <BUGabundo> EndSection
[17:55] <wilhart> hmmmm
[17:55] <wilhart> really?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> here is my xorg so you can compare
[17:55] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/114850/
[17:55] <wilhart> 18:55 < BUGabundo> Section "ServerFlags"
[17:55] <wilhart> 18:55 < BUGabundo> IOption "IgnoreABI" "True"
[17:55] <wilhart> 18:55 < BUGabundo> EndSection
[17:55] <wilhart> sorry
[17:56] <wilhart> but why did it work before?
[17:56] <BUGabundo> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:56] <wilhart> without that
[17:56] <BUGabundo> new driver version doesn't work ok with new X
[17:56] <wilhart> hmm
[17:56] <wilhart> i'll try that..
[17:56] <BUGabundo> sure
[17:56] <wilhart> anything else to notice?
[17:57] <BUGabundo> humm
[17:57] <BUGabundo> sure
[17:57] <BUGabundo> its ALPHA
[17:57] <BUGabundo> things can and WILL break
[17:57] <wilhart> yea i know.
[17:57] <wilhart> it's a challenge
[17:57] <BUGabundo> lol
[17:57] <wilhart> welll well. i'll try that..
[17:57] <BUGabundo> if u don't need a working machine 100% of the time
[17:57] <wilhart> yep nope..
[17:57] <BUGabundo> but then again, some one has to find the bugs, and help testing
[17:57] <wilhart> i love betas
[17:57] <BUGabundo> that's what I do!
[17:58] <wilhart> same
[17:58] <BUGabundo> I started with jaunty on my main laptop even before alpha1 was out!
[17:58] <wilhart> :D
[17:58] <wilhart> ok
[17:58] <wilhart> bye
[17:58] <BUGabundo> been doing it since 6.10 beta 1
[17:58] <wilhart> btw.
[17:58] <wilhart> why odesnt ctlr-alt-backspace work ?
[17:59] <fosco__> wilhart, to skip some related bugs
[17:59] <BUGabundo> wilhart: please read release notes
[18:00] <BUGabundo> everything you asked is there
[18:00] <wilhart> what releas notes :D
[18:00] <wilhart> never heard.
[18:00] <BUGabundo> just run dontzap and read the help
[18:00] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[18:00] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[18:00] <BUGabundo> this should be on !topic too
[18:01]  * charlie-tca nods
[18:01] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: who can we nag to update !Topic? I have no idea who has priv for it!
[18:02] <charlie-tca> Although nobody reads it.
[18:02] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[18:02] <charlie-tca> ChanServ or Channel ops
[18:02] <BUGabundo> if they don't, you just push it down their throughts
[18:02] <BUGabundo> by doing
[18:02] <BUGabundo>  !topic charlie-tca
[18:02] <charlie-tca> Yeah, probably been asked 40 times if jaunty is ready to use without issues.
[18:03] <Pici> Ubuntu developer week was over anyway.
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Pici
[18:03] <BUGabundo> saw was you Pici!
[18:03] <Pici> <.<
[18:04] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking calling topic too many times is just flooding, no?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> yeah
[18:05] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: but its better then having to reply the same thing every 5 mins
[18:05] <charlie-tca> True
[18:05] <BUGabundo> I just gave the same advise two times today, and don't even am HERE 100% of the time
[18:06] <BUGabundo> since I am at kde #Tokamak2, right here in Portugal
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I know...
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I guess we just keep trying, huh.
[18:06] <BUGabundo> kinda reminds me of #pidgin suport channel when there's a bug on MSN, or its down
[18:07] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:07] <BUGabundo> everyone who has pidgin goes there and compain
[18:07] <BUGabundo> and don't even read the topic
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I think very few read any topics.
[18:08] <BUGabundo> well some IRC clients almost omit it, or make it hard to read
[18:08] <BUGabundo> plus some channels (hint) have it HUGE
[18:08] <maxb> True, but at least it gives something to point at rather than actually having to re-explain manually
[18:08] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:08] <BUGabundo> that's what both me and charlie-tca agree
[18:08]  * charlie-tca nods
[18:09] <wilhart> ok hell break loose
[18:09] <BUGabundo> heheheheh
[18:09] <charlie-tca> LOL
[18:09] <BUGabundo> what's up now wilhart?
[18:09] <wilhart> ehm..
[18:10] <wilhart> got odd coloris and flickers in monitors upper line
[18:10] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: didn't pitty fixed UM to deal with the abi bump?
[18:10] <wilhart> with that what u teld me
[18:10] <wilhart> told me
[18:10] <BUGabundo> wilhart: you are using either the NV driver
[18:10] <charlie-tca> I don't remember
[18:10] <BUGabundo> or compiz isn't liking you
[18:10] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: Thought he did...
[18:11] <charlie-tca> But it is a new day, too
[18:11] <wilhart> hell
[18:11] <wilhart> BUGabundo: now gdm doesnt even start :D
[18:11] <wilhart> neither kdm
[18:11] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[18:12] <wilhart> changed nvidia to nv
[18:12] <wilhart> still not!
[18:12] <BUGabundo> I'm out of advice for now
[18:12] <wilhart> should i put fedora ?
[18:12] <BUGabundo> told all I knew about this
[18:12] <BUGabundo> ehehe hope now!
[18:12] <BUGabundo> keep with us
[18:12] <wilhart> what?
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Don't you have to remove nvidia?
[18:13] <wilhart> how do i remoev startx processes
[18:13] <BUGabundo> humm changing xorg should suffice
[18:13] <charlie-tca> ouch! I don't know
[18:13] <BUGabundo> plus 180 should work after adding abi ignore
[18:13] <BUGabundo> wilhart: just reboot to safe mode
[18:13] <charlie-tca> I just don't run compiz, myself. It works great.
[18:13] <BUGabundo> and su to your user, and start X from there
[18:14] <BUGabundo> me neither
[18:14] <BUGabundo> but compiz works okay
[18:14] <wilhart> ok
[18:14] <wilhart> i got int!:D
[18:14] <BUGabundo> I just need to reload it twive
[18:14] <wilhart> in
[18:14] <wilhart> tnx
[18:14] <BUGabundo> *twice
[18:26] <burner> anyone know where in gconf the keyboard layout options are set?  I tried to use system->prefs->keyboard->layout->layout options to change the alt/win key behavior back to "default" but it keeps going back to "meta is mapped to the win-keys" which breaks vbox win key access
[18:32] <burner> aww, nevermind... seems i have to set it to "super is mapped to win keys" instead of default... default wouldn't work for some reason and kept reverting
[18:58] <Raffaele> hello
[18:59] <Raffaele> I wanted to ask why the mixer volume jaunty as he returned to intrepid? you know something?
[18:59] <burner_> pardon?  what about the mixer in intrepid?
[19:00] <Raffaele> yes
[19:00] <Raffaele> that is, is back as the intrepid
[19:01] <fosco__> i do not understand
[19:01] <fosco__> what do you mean?
[19:02] <Raffaele> Then, I updated the jaunty alpha 4
[19:02] <burner_> yeah, wtf?  is back as the intrepid isn't quite coherent to me
[19:02] <BUGabundo> me neither
[19:03] <Raffaele> I show you a picture
[19:03] <BUGabundo> I think he wants to use the OLD mixer, on jaunty
[19:03] <Raffaele> http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermataubuntu904thejaop2.png
[19:03] <burner_> aww... you can still use the old mixer... but you can't get rid of the notification area mixer yet :\
[19:04] <Raffaele> the mixer is returned to the previous version, namely the intrepid
[19:04] <BUGabundo> I just use alsamixer or alsamixergui from terminal
[19:04] <Raffaele> look at the photos
[19:04] <BUGabundo> or install the pulse audio applet
[19:04] <BUGabundo> that gives you much more controls
[19:04] <burner_> oh, i'm with you... it doesn't show the pulseaudio mixer thing where you can adjust per-application volume
[19:05] <fosco__> it has never been default
[19:05] <burner_> it was in alpha2-alpha3
[19:05] <Raffaele> burner!!!!
[19:05] <Raffaele> burner!!!
[19:06] <Raffaele> as is said burner!!!!
[19:06] <Raffaele> you know why?
[19:09]  * burner_ shrugs...  
[19:33] <andersk> Firefox 3.1 fails to start for me now (bug 326312).  Can anyone confirm?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> andersk: know prob
[19:33] <BUGabundo> asac mess up again.. should be fixed on the next upload...
[19:34] <BUGabundo> tomorrow should be okay
[19:34] <andersk> Okay.  I didn't see an open bug.
[19:34] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:35] <BUGabundo> just come up on #ubuntu-mozillateam...
[19:35] <BUGabundo> either use 3.0, 3.2, or downgrade 3.1
[19:35] <andersk> Ooh, are there 3.2 packages?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> on ~fta PPA
[19:58] <Shanix> hi all, If I want to upgrade my server to Jaunty without using the update-manager -d, can I do that? If so, what is the correct command?
[19:58] <kulight> is it possible upgrading my file system from ext3 to ext4 while upgrading to jaunty without formatting the partition ?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Yes, and you have it. Did you read the release notes?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Shanix ^ ^
[19:59] <charlie-tca> kulight: I don't know
[20:00] <kulight> charlie-tca: thank you any way :)
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Shanix: oops, should read it right. I don't think you will be able to upgrade without update-manager -d until the final release.
[20:01] <Shanix> charlie-tca, um.... OK, thanks
[20:01] <BUGabundo> Shanix: updating a server to a devel version is not a good idea
[20:01] <BUGabundo> but just run do-release-upgrade
[20:01] <kulight> charlie-tca: even then it the same but its done automaticlly (update-manager -d)
[20:01] <Shanix> BUGabundo, it's just a test system
[20:01] <BUGabundo> AFAIK there's no way to auto upgrade ext3->ext4 during ibex->jaunty upgrade
[20:02] <BUGabundo> it has to be done manually
[20:02] <Shanix> BUGabundo, but I don't want to install the whole Gnome Desktop for the update manager.... Interestingly enough, it says, no new release found
[20:04] <kulight> Shanix: why not using update-manager -d ?
[20:06] <Shanix> kulight,  but I don't want to install the whole Gnome Desktop for the update manager....
[20:06] <Pici> Shanix: What version of Ubuntu do you have installed currently?
[20:07] <Shanix> Pici, intrepid server
[20:07] <Pici> Shanix: sudo do-release-upgrade -d should work then
[20:07] <kulight> i dont think you need to run the command and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:07] <BUGabundo> Shanix: if u already have the server version it won't install the desktpo
[20:08] <kulight> you dont need the gui
[20:08] <Pici> BUGabundo: update-manager is not on ubuntu-server
[20:08] <Shanix> Pici, very interesting, and thank you
[20:08] <BUGabundo> kulight: that will not move to the devel version (unlike in debian)
[20:08] <BUGabundo> I know Pici
[20:08] <BUGabundo> that's why I recommended do-release-upgrade
[20:08] <BUGabundo> just forgot the -d
[20:09] <Shanix> BUGabundo, and that will not upgrade you to Jaunty with the -d.... u got it...
[20:09] <kulight> BUGabundo: ok
[20:10] <BUGabundo> Shanix: -c does a jump for the next stable release, -d jumps to devel branch
[20:10] <BUGabundo> for both UM and DRU
[20:11] <paines> hi
[20:11] <BUGabundo> hi paines
[20:12] <paines> does anyone know how to debug networkmanager. wlan doesn't want to work for some reason
[20:12]  * BUGabundo anticipates! paines please read topic
[20:12] <BUGabundo> oopss... not for that case
[20:12] <paines> hehe
[20:12] <BUGabundo> lolol charlie-tca eheh
[20:12] <BUGabundo> paines: can you please install the PPA version of NM
[20:13]  * burner is diggin the new screen ;0
[20:13] <paines> yes. can you give me the deb url for sources.list
[20:13] <paines> please
[20:13] <charlie-tca> hehe, I saw that
[20:14] <legodude_> any clues as to why copying smb in dolphin is soooo slow?
[20:15] <legodude_> I'm getting .5 MB/s
[20:15] <burner> legodude_: and it's faster in nautilus?
[20:15] <legodude_> no
[20:15] <legodude_> er
[20:15] <legodude_> haven't tried
[20:16] <burner> try it... you'll know if it's an app problem or a netowrk problem
[20:16] <legodude_> well, I can copy quickly from the same server to other machines
[20:16] <legodude_> and if I ftp to it
[20:16] <legodude_> it is quite fast
[20:17] <burner> it would still be helpful to see if it's all samba connections or just dolphin
[20:17] <paines> i added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main, but there doesn't seem to be any updates
[20:19] <legodude_> burner: any suggestions other than nautilus? I am somewhat disk-space limited on this machine and don't have it installed yet
[20:19] <burner> legodude_: try konqueror?
[20:19] <burner> legodude_: or smbclient via terminal?
[20:19] <legodude_> 26MB/s over FTP to same server
[20:20] <legodude_> now gonna try smbclient
[20:20] <legodude_> grrr, smbclient won't tell you speeds as it is downloading
[20:21] <legodude_> well, it was really fast
[20:21] <legodude_> done already
[20:24] <kulight> is it possible upgrading my file system from ext3 to ext4 while upgrading to jaunty without formatting the partition ?
[20:24] <legodude_> burner: really strange, if I do it in konq, I get 20MB/s
[20:24] <legodude_> but it seems to be using the same mechanism as dolphin
[20:25] <legodude_> ugh
[20:25] <legodude_> what is going on here
[20:27] <burner> legodude_: i'm not sure exactly, but at least we've nailed it down as a dolphin bug
[20:27] <legodude_> maybe
[20:27] <legodude_> I'm also being stupid here
[20:28] <legodude_> let me do some more testing before blathering ridiculously
[20:29] <legodude_> well, there is some problem but I still have to diagnose smb or dolphin
[20:33] <mphill_> legodude_: whats the issue?
[20:34] <legodude_> I'm doing proper debugging now
[20:34] <legodude_> should be done in 5min or so
[20:35] <legodude_> have to find a way to time file transfers with smbclient
[20:42] <legodude_> okay
[20:42] <legodude_> mphill_: I have it now
[20:43] <legodude_> mphill_: burner: http://pastebin.com/m598a3622
[20:45] <burner> uhh... so is smbclient slow?  I see s but not mb/s
[20:45] <legodude_> dolphin
[20:45] <legodude_> look at the last line
[20:46] <legodude_> smbclient put is half as fast as it should be
[20:46] <legodude_> but dolphin put is 100x slower
[20:47] <burner> uhh... launchpad bug report time?
[20:47]  * burner wishes he was a dolphin master
[20:48] <legodude_> http://pastebin.com/m795802fc
[20:48] <legodude_> there is corrected with speeds for all
[20:51] <mphill_> legodude_: samba generally sucks for speed within nautilus
[20:51] <mphill_> i get like ~30MB/s with sabma and like 90MB/s with Filezilla
[20:53] <burner> mphill_: we're talking dolphin sucking right now
[20:53] <legodude_> 90!
[20:53] <legodude_> raid!
[20:53] <legodude_> and this is 100x slower
[20:54] <legodude_> I know samba is no speed demon
[20:55] <legodude_> but 2 log is not acceptable
[21:01] <mphill_> samba is just slow
[21:01] <mphill_> i've never gotten it over 40 much
[21:01] <mphill_> even with all the tweaks in the smb.conf file
[21:01] <mphill_> nfs is no better
[21:01] <mphill_> i have HP procurve switches
[21:02] <mphill_> my wire is about 175FT
[21:02] <mphill_> i think that might mess it up too
[21:04] <legodude_> 175ft is no problem
[21:05] <mphill_> i used a fluke to test the wire
[21:05] <mphill_> i'm convinced samba just sucks
[21:05] <mphill_> my hard drives are capable of 100MB/s
[21:05] <legodude_> it does
[21:05] <legodude_> which is strange
[21:05] <legodude_> raid system?
[21:06] <mphill_> well, my desktop is a 10K rpm 300GB velociraptor, my name is two 1 TB seagates in raind 1
[21:06] <mphill_> raid 1
[21:06] <mphill_> name = nas
[21:07] <mphill_> all gigabit cards
[21:07] <mphill_> i thought maybe i was saturating the bus, but i can get 100MB/s with ftp
[21:07] <mphill_> do that's debuked
[21:08] <legodude_> well, I launchpadded it
[21:08] <legodude_> so we will see if anything ever happens
[21:09] <mphill_> i think i even tried sabma4
[21:09] <mphill_> but that failed
[21:09] <mphill_> when i mount the drive, i saw no performance gain either
[21:17] <biouser> what is the analog... inlines:FK  as ?what?:one2one   is there any such what for the admin?
[21:17] <biouser> sorry I do that every day ...
[21:53] <OasisGames> Hey, I have a serious issue: I'm missing libxcb-xlib.so.0, and the package (libxcb-xlib0) has "no installation candidate" because a bunch of references are still broken.
[21:53] <cousteau> will my graphics card work on Jaunty? it's a Nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[21:54] <OasisGames> [OT: Did the GeForce 2 ever really work well with any nVidia driver?]
[21:54] <cousteau> its driver is the nvidia 96 (current version: 96.43.09 on Jaunty according to packages.ubuntu.com)
[21:54] <cousteau> OasisGames: it does on Hardy
[21:55] <OasisGames> Have the blobs been updated to work with the current X server? I'm not on the up-and-up about nVidia and Jaunty, so I don't know.
[21:56] <cousteau> there are some compiz plugins that don't work... but it's very nice for a 64MB card
[21:57] <cousteau> what will be the X-server version on Jaunty final? 1.5.99 or 1.6?
[21:58] <OasisGames> They're not going to ship with an unstable release, so 1.6 > 1.5.99
[21:59] <Randakar> heya, anyone know what the status is of 9.04's multihead support? 8.10 is kinda buggy / broken in various ways, dunno if a new X or gnome might improve things
[22:00] <Randakar> Not afraid to break my desktop, just wondering if there's even a chance of it actually making a difference ;-)
[22:01] <OasisGames> Randakar: All things multi-head tend to be driver issues. Personally, I've never had any trouble with 8.04 or 8.10 with Intel graphics after finding out just how to make it work.
[22:01] <Randakar> yeah well, Nvidia - doesn't help does it? ;-)
[22:02]  * OasisGames is waiting patiently for a stable Nouveau for his FX5200.
[22:02] <maxb> Hmm.... my X session now hangs at login with only the background visible. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
[22:02] <Randakar> I have it sort-of working in 8.10 with free drivers but dragging window to the other screen makes it hit an invisible wall of sorts ;-)
[22:02] <OasisGames> [OT: Just be happy you have an X session at all. I'm still missing my xcb-xlib libraries.]
[22:08] <Randakar> muh, so close and yet so far. Jay, both screens work but getting gnome to understand I want panels on each monitor and a background that isn't stretched across both screens .. muh
[22:08] <OasisGames> Well, that's just Gnome.
[22:08] <OasisGames> Gnome always moves my panel to the wrong screen. Always. It's like it knows that's not where I want it and it's torturing me...
[22:09] <Randakar> hehe
[22:10] <Randakar> pft, makes me wonder if moving to a different gui would solve things ;-)
[22:10] <Randakar> unfortunately using the gui tools to get multi-head means gnome hides the configuration somewhere from me
[22:13] <OasisGames> That's XRandR for you...
[22:14] <Randakar> what is this XRandR thing anyway? I've heard that term a lot but ..
[22:14] <OasisGames> It's an interface to X that provides easier, more direct, and most importantly, immediate reconfiguration of the display settings.
[22:14] <OasisGames> Stuff like resolutions and rotation.
[22:15] <OasisGames> Which I believe are the two Rs.
[22:15] <Randakar> aha
[22:15] <Randakar> hmn .. xrandr --help
[22:16] <OasisGames> [OT: I get an error when I run it because, again, I'm missing my xcb-xlib]
[22:17] <Randakar> well, that tells me .. X seems to believe the config is right I guess ;-)
[22:17] <Randakar> just gnome ..
[22:18] <Randakar> I wonder why the nvidia proprietary stuff managed to get that right a few months back - it has bugged out on me since, but still ..
[22:19] <Randakar> ah well .. off again, time to fiddle a bit I guess
[22:37] <ali1234> i just updated, and after rebooting, the fonts in gnome are much bigger, to the point that windows don't fit on the screen any more
[22:37] <ali1234> i guess it's a DPI issue, but i'm not sure if it is a bug or not
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Check the release notes, towards the bottom: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[22:40] <Volkodav> anybody tried googleearth 5.0 ?
[22:40] <OasisGames> I'd like to try X, but oh, wait, libraries are missing...
[22:40] <Volkodav> I installed it and fixed the crash problem but can not get the small fonts to fix
[22:40] <Volkodav> previous versions fies did not work
[22:41] <charlie-tca> heh, beta release won't work on alpha release?
[22:43] <ali1234> charlie-tca: well... xdpyinfo reports the correct dimensions: 1024x600, 195x133 mm, 133x135 DPI. it's a netbook display
[22:44] <mjc> ali1234: the fonts are not 135dpi? or they are, and that is "too big"
[22:44] <ali1234> the fonts look about the same size as my desktop display, however they are a greater pixel size because of the higher DPI
[22:44] <charlie-tca> What size does it say your screen is?
[22:44] <ali1234> charlie-tca: it says what i typed above...
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Max Image Size [cm]: is in mm?
[22:45] <OasisGames> I'll ask again: where did libxcb-xlib.so.o run off to? 'Cause it's definitely in any libxlib-xcb0 package (there isn't one anymore).
[22:45] <OasisGames> not*
[22:45] <ali1234> iit doesn't say anything about max image size...
[22:46] <charlie-tca> ali1234: If EDID doesn't report the Max Image Size in cm, the fonts will be the wrong size.
[22:46] <ali1234> on xdpyinfo?
[22:47] <Amaranth> OasisGames: What do you need it for?
[22:47] <mjc> ali1234: if the measurement in mm is correct, then the dpi is correct, and you are used to fonts being physically smaller than they should be
[22:47] <mjc> ali1234: 12 point font should be the same physical size on your screen as it is on a sheet of paper
[22:47] <OasisGames> Amaranth: ... everything?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Problem: Monitor is lying
[22:47] <charlie-tca> See what it says in that section...
[22:48] <mjc> ali1234: if it's not, it can either be too big: monitor lying, or it can be too small: monitor lying
[22:48]  * Amaranth looks at /usr/lib/libX11-xcb.so.1 in libx11-xcb1
[22:48] <mjc> if it's the right physical size, then you are just not used to having fonts look the correct size
[22:48] <OasisGames> I'm not getting that.
[22:49] <ali1234> hmm, intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[22:49] <OasisGames> Everything here links to libxcb-xlib.so.0
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Try changing the DPI then, ali1234
[22:49] <charlie-tca> That changes the size of the font as seen on screen
[22:49] <OasisGames> So the only option is to symlink, and even then, is that the right library? It doesn't sound like the right library; and if it is, why isn't there a symlink already from one of these packages?
[22:50] <ali1234> so how does xdpyinfo know the correct DPI if X doesn't?? (rhetorical question)
[22:50] <Amaranth> OasisGames: What is everything? binary stuff you should rebuild?
[22:51] <OasisGames> Why should I be rebuilding things?
[22:51] <OasisGames> It works for everyone else, why not my laptop?
[22:51] <OasisGames> (Just some recent examples: gdm, xrandr... etc?)
[22:51] <Amaranth> OasisGames: There is no more libX11-xcb.so.0
[22:51] <mjc> 12 point font should be 4.2333.... mm high, according to postscript
[22:51] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Thus you need to rebuild
[22:52] <OasisGames> lib
[22:52] <OasisGames> xcb
[22:52] <OasisGames> -xlib
[22:52] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Or you need to update your packages to things rebuilt
[22:52] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Either way, the package is gone
[22:52] <OasisGames> I've updated my packages more times than I can count. apt-get updated, apt-get upgrade, etc. etc. etc.
[22:52] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Things in jaunty know it is gone and don't depend on it
[22:52] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Your system is hosed
[22:53] <OasisGames> Then why does my GDM depend on it?
[22:53] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Your system is hosed
[22:53] <ali1234> ok i changed the DPI back to 96 in the fonts settings and everything is back to normal. i guess there must have been an update to the intel driver to make it report the DPI correctly... so this isn't a bug at all
[22:53] <OasisGames> How? This doesn't make sense to me.
[22:54] <Amaranth> OasisGames: My gdm (2.20.8-0ubuntu6) doesn't depend on it
[22:54] <Amaranth> arg stupid lag
[22:54] <Amaranth> OasisGames: What version of gdm do you have?
[22:55] <charlie-tca> ali1234: Glad to hear it is working :-)
[22:55] <OasisGames> I just downgraded from 7 to 6 to test, but both fail with the same error. "libxcb-xlib.so.0" not found.
[22:59] <Amaranth> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0: No such file or directory
[22:59] <Amaranth> wtf freenode, stop making me lag. gimpnet isn't lagging at all
[23:01] <bluesmoke> OasisGames: I don't have that file or that package and gdm is working fine
[23:02] <OasisGames> Then it's an intermediate library that references it (which I would expect?)
[23:02] <Amaranth> OasisGames: xlib was changed to provide that stuff and all packages that depend on it were rebuilt to build only against xlib
[23:03] <Amaranth> OasisGames: so, again, your system is hosed
[23:03] <Amaranth> Something you installed _manually_ replaced something from a package and depends on that library
[23:03] <Amaranth> Or you haven't upgraded everything, although in that case it wouldn't let you remove the package
[23:04] <OasisGames> Hmm.
[23:04] <Amaranth> OasisGames: Build your own GTK+?
[23:04]  * OasisGames checks for extraneous X libraries...
[23:04] <OasisGames> ****
[23:04] <Amaranth> OasisGames: It would have to be something you built yourself
[23:49] <Zetto> Hi all, i wanna update Netbeans 6.1 to NetBeans 6.5 in Ubuntu 9.04, some one can tell me if it still possble without a backport and what the step to update ?
[23:50] <Zetto> *steps
[23:58] <FFForever> why does fileroller say it cant open a .7z file?
[23:59] <Zetto> FFForever, maybe the file was corrupted ...
[23:59] <Zetto> *maybe*
[23:59] <FFForever> zetto i tried 3 different ones....
[23:59] <FFForever> they all opened fine in 8.04...
[23:59] <Zetto> humm