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zcat[1]firefox won't play nice with fusion .. no windows decorations. Works file with metacity though and everything else I tried is OK with fusion. any ideas? anyone else seing this?00:11
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DanaGyay:00:57
DanaG    - enable the intrepid version of the mixer capplet rather than the new one       (lp: #324807)00:57
shadowhywinddoes anyone know how to change the font color of a current session in konsole01:10
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FFForeveranyone around?01:32
charlie-tca!anyone01:55
ubottuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?01:55
charlie-tcaThere appears to be 148 people just waiting here.01:56
FFForevercharlie-tca, has the sound bug been fixed?02:02
charlie-tcaI do not know. Do you have a bug number? Sound for me works okay02:10
zcat[1]firefox won't play nice with fusion .. no windows decorations. Works file with metacity though and everything else I tried is OK with fusion. any ideas? anyone else seing this?02:46
FFForevercharlie-tca, when i was on 9.04 (beta disk 3) there was a pa update and it broke the sound =(02:49
charlie-tcaI see. Alpha4 released today. Maybe it is fixed in it02:50
td123how is alpha 4 looking (I might try but I want to know if there are any show stoppers that would prevent me from using it daily)02:55
charlie-tcaAs with any Alpha release, it is alpha. Expect it to break.02:56
td123charlie-tca: I remember back in 7.10 alpha 3, it was usable as a normal desktop because I'm not that afraid of most bugs :)02:59
td123charlie-tca: I guess I'll try it in virtualbox first and see02:59
charlie-tcaI use it daily. Some days it works great, some days it don't really work so good.02:59
charlie-tcaI don't need the sound, and I don't use compiz. Maybe that helps03:00
td123charlie-tca: no sound?03:00
charlie-tcaOnly on some days03:01
charlie-tcaMine is working today.03:01
td123lol "some days" you mean it depends on days or updates or..03:01
charlie-tcatwo days ago, it did not work, for 2-3 days03:01
td123charlie-tca: so how did you fix it?03:01
charlie-tcawait for the updates. Everything catches up in time03:02
td123charlie-tca: so the updates fixed it right?03:02
td123charlie-tca: thanks for the warning then03:02
charlie-tcayes, but it was gone for 2 or 3 days03:02
charlie-tcaI do run VirtualBox also, in jaunty03:03
td123charlie-tca: I guess I'll try it then (I thought it mysteriously "worked" :D)03:03
charlie-tcaI can't run the guest additions, since they remove all the video drivers when it is installed03:03
zcat[1]OK, same problem. Firefox in compiz (with gtk or emerald) gives me no decorations. Everything else has decorations including running firefox through ssh -X from my hardy machine.03:03
zcat[1]... and including running 'ssh -X localhost firefox' if that helps narrow it down at all?03:04
zcat[1]anyone here at all?03:06
zcat[1]so is anyone else seing the same problem? and ideas how I could narrow it down and figure out what's going on?03:06
charlie-tcagood luck, td12303:07
zcat[1]hello?03:08
charlie-tcazcat[1]: I don't have an answer to that03:08
td123ty03:08
ziroday`Hi, are the new notifications meant to be in jaunty?04:30
Kuaeraziroday`: That's a bit vague...04:30
tritiumziroday`: yes04:31
ziroday`tritium: Kuaera: right, looking at the release notes but can't understand where the notification menu is04:32
ziroday`nevermind found it :)04:32
zcat[1]OK, same problem. Firefox in compiz (with gtk or emerald) gives me no decorations. Everything else has decorations including running firefox through ssh -X from my hardy machine, but not using ssh -X localhost04:35
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/32519104:50
DanaGugh.04:50
ubottuUbuntu bug 325191 in ubuntu "keyboard not working after resume from suspend" [Undecided,New]04:50
zcat[1]found a fix for my problem.. compizconfig workarounds 'legacy fullscreen support' needs to be turned off, if anybody comes in with the same issues04:56
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DanaGAnyone know how to get a Ricoh SDHCI controller to work in Jaunty?06:50
DanaGIt didn't work in Intrepid, either.06:50
DanaGWeird... my SDHC reader works in EFI boot mode.07:12
DanaGOh yeah, and now I can use my HP diskprotect LED as an SDHC reader activity LED.07:16
DanaGSo the HDD LED will blink orange on SDHC activity and blue on HDD activity.07:16
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DanaGhttp://pastebin.com/f5e7e51ae07:34
DanaGhttp://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.1/00064.html07:39
* DanaG sure hopes Jaunty will use 2.6.29 kernel -- it'll mean I'll be able to use my accelerometer to protect my hard drive.07:42
syockitNow that I have an applet for my power settings, do I still need guidance-power-manager?07:48
zniavrehello07:52
zniavrei can 't install vlc and/or mplayer cause libx264.59 ? am i alone ?07:52
zniavre!bug lbx26407:52
zeltakhi guys09:46
zeltakjust updated to jaunty alpha 4 and it seems to work well. one Q though09:46
zeltakduring the upgarde i choose to keep existing grub and now i cant get the kernel 2.6.8 to load, how do reconfigure the grub?09:46
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CameronShorter_Hello, I'm wanting to know how I can help get the package "qgis" back into the ubuntu distribution. "qgis" has recently released a stable 1.0 version, and has a bundled .deb file, instructions for installing from the PPA is here: http://download.qgis.org/downloads.rhtml10:32
syockit!packaging10:33
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports10:33
CameronShorter_thanks, I'll start looking there.10:33
zeltakhi during the upgarde i choose to keep existing grub and now i cant get the kernel 2.6.8 to load, does anyone know how do reconfigure the grub?10:34
WiclaHello! Anyone else having problems with installing mplayer and vlc? libx264-59 isn't available and therefor breaks the installation. Something I've caused or is it known?11:06
syockitlibx264-59 seems to have been superseded by libx264-65. vlc/mplayer needs to be repackaged with that11:12
syockitbtw libx264-59 is deleted from the repo11:12
Wiclaokey.11:13
WiclaGood to know. :)11:15
syockitWicla: I'm currently building vlc on ppa, let me see if it works11:32
* robin0800 Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 4 Released see http://www.kubuntu.org/11:44
syockitgreat, it's compiling11:46
syockitdamn I forgot to bump the version!!!12:03
syockitWicla: got them built at https://launchpad.net/~syockit+launch/+archive/ppa/ . Check them out!12:10
syockitWicla: as the version number is the same, there might be some problem if you try to install using package name directly. Use either aptitude or synaptic to select different source for the package12:11
syockitWicla: mplayer is also there, if you want12:11
syockitjust tested vlc, it works fine and dandy12:24
c_kornhello, don't know if this the right channel to ask, but: in corporation with the scilab devels I have been able to compile scilab-5 for intrepid. I subscribed the ubuntu archive admins to the bug report to let them see if it can make it into jaunty. https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/scilab/+bug/272264 are the any additional steps required?12:37
ubottuUbuntu bug 272264 in scilab "Ubuntu has very old, not user-friendly Scilab version, 5.0.1 was released on 2008-09" [Wishlist,Confirmed]12:37
maxbc_korn: The archive admins really are not the right people for that sort of thing - updating a package is a not an administrative action12:41
WiclaThanks syockit. VLC worked well. Couldn't manage to get hold of mplayer package though. Just didn't want to show up12:42
c_korntheir description says: ... handling requests for package syncs from external repositories ... and I have compiled scilab in this PPA. https://launchpad.net/~getdeb.packages/+archive/ppa so it would just be a sync12:42
maxbc_korn: Ah, in that case, you want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess, specifically the bit about needing an ACK from ubuntu-universe-sponsors first12:45
maxbAs this concerns development of universe/multiverse packages, the #ubuntu-motu channel is the most on-topic place to discuss it12:46
maxbAlso, I don't think the sync request would be processed whilst there are still dependencies that need to be updated / added first before the package will build12:47
maxbc_korn: So, what needs to happen is to file sync requests for fop and xmlgraphics-common, and to ask on #ubuntu-motu how to deal with adding a package which is currently stuck in Debian NEW (jeuclid), and then to update the scilab bug noting the bugs relating to all these dependencies, and turning it into a proper sync request too.12:53
c_kornok, thanks12:54
maxb(and move quickly - feature freeze isn't that far off)12:56
syockitare vlc and mplayer also merged from debian?12:56
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Oli``What's a well-supported, "good" inkjet printer for Ubuntu? Current one is just about to run out of ink (and it doesn't tolerate Linux at all) so we're looking for something a little better.14:15
TheInfinityOli``: most hp printers do so14:18
TheInfinitydepends on model14:18
* gourgi going live-testing A4 by usb-creator14:34
* gnomefreak not having such good luck with it but its not A4 its somerthing else14:35
Dillizarhi14:37
Dillizari have a info that on the new ubuntu there will be a MTP support14:38
Dillizarso can i have more info14:38
gnomefreakDillizar: did you try looking at the site for A4 and/or the site that gives you what is planned14:41
Oli``Dillizar: are you talking about MPT?14:42
Dillizarmedia players14:42
gnomefreaki would need more info since there are 10s of thousands packages14:45
Dillizar:D14:46
Oli``Wow why are dot-matrix printers so expensive?14:51
Dillizarcuz of the movie :D14:52
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zniavrehello15:22
zniavrewith last update of xserver i can start gnome with vesa but not whit nvidia(173) driver what is going wrong please?15:23
BUGabundo1zniavre: know prob with ABI bump15:28
BUGabundo1you need to add ignore abi to xorg15:28
gnomefreakzuyou can start it with 173 (atleast i can) but its not any better than with "nv" driver15:28
gnomefreakcant run compiz with 173 or with nv driver as of yesterday and no updates today with them15:29
legodudeis 180 working?15:29
zniavrebut just before this update this driver worked quite well15:29
BUGabundo1gnomefreak: I'm runnng it on 18015:29
BUGabundo1but I need to reload the manager15:30
BUGabundo1'cause the 1st time, doesn't work, and I loose all widnows borders15:30
zniavre!nvidia15:31
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment15:31
gnomefreakthey are installible atleast here15:36
zniavreBUGabundo1:  do you hav a link for this Abi option please ?15:37
zniavre!ABI15:37
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ABI15:37
BUGabundo1zniavre: I'll have to look for it15:39
BUGabundo1its on a wiki and on LP too15:40
zniavreok thank you15:40
BUGabundo1Section "ServerFlags"15:40
BUGabundo1Option "IgnoreABI" "True"15:40
BUGabundo1EndSection15:40
BUGabundo1here is my xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/114769/15:41
zniavrethank you15:47
UbuntuUser666Can someone please tell me a good Delphi DEcompiler 4 ubuntu?16:08
TheInfinityUbuntuUser666: i dont think this exists because delphis primary target is windows ...16:14
TheInfinitybtw: wrong channel.16:15
legodude_anyone know why KDE won't start for me?16:59
chris__can someone help me setup my nvidia gfx card?, i ran nvidia-detector but it says nothing was found =\16:59
legodude_I try and log in, and it gets stuck on the last icon of the splash screen17:00
legodude_chris__: it also says none on my system17:00
legodude_!nvidia17:01
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not be currently installable at the moment17:01
legodude_!nvidia > chris__17:01
ubottuchris__, please see my private message17:01
chris__i know about the ignoreabi.....17:01
chris__legodude, how do i set the ignoreABI?17:03
chris__i forgot...17:03
legodude_Section "ServerFlags"17:08
legodude_    Option    "IgnoreABI"    "True"17:08
legodude_EndSection17:08
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FFForeverany idea on why i can click on the gstreamer plugins-bad? i cant check it 2 install....17:23
wilharthey, ppl i upgraded in jaorty xorg-core and now they dont work17:51
BUGabundowilhart: what doesn't work?17:51
BUGabundoXorg? GDM? proprietary drivers?17:51
wilhartxorg17:51
BUGabundoand wilhart its Jaunty, not jaorty17:51
wilhartyea gnome doesnt start17:51
wilhartkde lockson jam17:52
wilhartjaunty yea :D17:52
BUGabundois it GDM or KDM?17:52
wilhartgdm17:52
wilhartand kdm17:52
wilhartboth doesnt work17:52
BUGabundook17:52
BUGabundogo to a TTY stop both of them and try startx17:52
BUGabundosudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop17:52
BUGabundosudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop17:52
BUGabundo$ startx17:52
wilhartyea tried that!17:52
wilharti deleted .gnome*17:53
wilhartand .gconf*17:53
wilhartstill doesnt start. they had 2hours ago an xorg upgrade!!17:53
wilhartin repo17:53
BUGabundodo you have a nvidia/ati?17:53
wilhartprobably have to wait for fix release17:53
wilhartnvidia!17:53
BUGabundodid you distrupagrade from ibex?17:53
BUGabundoor were already using jaunty?17:53
wilhartehm yeap with upgrade-manader17:54
wilhartmanager17:54
BUGabundoupdate-manager -d ?17:54
BUGabundoI think you just need to ignore ABI17:54
wilhartyep :D17:54
BUGabundodidn't you read the release notes?17:54
wilhartabi ?17:54
wilhartyea17:54
BUGabundojust add this to your xorg17:55
BUGabundoSection "ServerFlags"17:55
BUGabundoOption "IgnoreABI" "True"17:55
BUGabundoEndSection17:55
wilharthmmmm17:55
wilhartreally?17:55
BUGabundohere is my xorg so you can compare17:55
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/114850/17:55
wilhart18:55 < BUGabundo> Section "ServerFlags"17:55
wilhart18:55 < BUGabundo> IOption "IgnoreABI" "True"17:55
wilhart18:55 < BUGabundo> EndSection17:55
wilhartsorry17:55
wilhartbut why did it work before?17:56
BUGabundogksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf17:56
wilhartwithout that17:56
BUGabundonew driver version doesn't work ok with new X17:56
wilharthmm17:56
wilharti'll try that..17:56
BUGabundosure17:56
wilhartanything else to notice?17:56
BUGabundohumm17:57
BUGabundosure17:57
BUGabundoits ALPHA17:57
BUGabundothings can and WILL break17:57
wilhartyea i know.17:57
wilhartit's a challenge17:57
BUGabundolol17:57
wilhartwelll well. i'll try that..17:57
BUGabundoif u don't need a working machine 100% of the time17:57
wilhartyep nope..17:57
BUGabundobut then again, some one has to find the bugs, and help testing17:57
wilharti love betas17:57
BUGabundothat's what I do!17:57
wilhartsame17:58
BUGabundoI started with jaunty on my main laptop even before alpha1 was out!17:58
wilhart:D17:58
wilhartok17:58
wilhartbye17:58
BUGabundobeen doing it since 6.10 beta 117:58
wilhartbtw.17:58
wilhartwhy odesnt ctlr-alt-backspace work ?17:58
fosco__wilhart, to skip some related bugs17:59
BUGabundowilhart: please read release notes17:59
BUGabundoeverything you asked is there18:00
wilhartwhat releas notes :D18:00
wilhartnever heard.18:00
BUGabundojust run dontzap and read the help18:00
BUGabundohttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha418:00
BUGabundohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview18:00
BUGabundothis should be on !topic too18:00
* charlie-tca nods18:01
BUGabundocharlie-tca: who can we nag to update !Topic? I have no idea who has priv for it!18:01
charlie-tcaAlthough nobody reads it.18:02
BUGabundoeheheh18:02
charlie-tcaChanServ or Channel ops18:02
BUGabundoif they don't, you just push it down their throughts18:02
BUGabundoby doing18:02
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BUGabundo !topic charlie-tca18:02
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)18:02
charlie-tcaYeah, probably been asked 40 times if jaunty is ready to use without issues.18:02
PiciUbuntu developer week was over anyway.18:03
charlie-tcaThanks, Pici18:03
BUGabundosaw was you Pici!18:03
Pici<.<18:03
charlie-tcaI'm thinking calling topic too many times is just flooding, no?18:04
BUGabundoyeah18:04
BUGabundocharlie-tca: but its better then having to reply the same thing every 5 mins18:05
charlie-tcaTrue18:05
BUGabundoI just gave the same advise two times today, and don't even am HERE 100% of the time18:05
BUGabundosince I am at kde #Tokamak2, right here in Portugal18:06
charlie-tcaI know...18:06
charlie-tcaI guess we just keep trying, huh.18:06
BUGabundokinda reminds me of #pidgin suport channel when there's a bug on MSN, or its down18:06
charlie-tcaheh18:07
BUGabundoeveryone who has pidgin goes there and compain18:07
BUGabundoand don't even read the topic18:07
charlie-tcaI think very few read any topics.18:07
BUGabundowell some IRC clients almost omit it, or make it hard to read18:08
BUGabundoplus some channels (hint) have it HUGE18:08
maxbTrue, but at least it gives something to point at rather than actually having to re-explain manually18:08
BUGabundoyep18:08
BUGabundothat's what both me and charlie-tca agree18:08
* charlie-tca nods18:08
wilhartok hell break loose18:09
BUGabundoheheheheh18:09
charlie-tcaLOL18:09
BUGabundowhat's up now wilhart?18:09
wilhartehm..18:09
wilhartgot odd coloris and flickers in monitors upper line18:10
BUGabundocharlie-tca: didn't pitty fixed UM to deal with the abi bump?18:10
wilhartwith that what u teld me18:10
wilharttold me18:10
BUGabundowilhart: you are using either the NV driver18:10
charlie-tcaI don't remember18:10
BUGabundoor compiz isn't liking you18:10
charlie-tcaBUGabundo: Thought he did...18:10
charlie-tcaBut it is a new day, too18:11
wilharthell18:11
wilhartBUGabundo: now gdm doesnt even start :D18:11
wilhartneither kdm18:11
BUGabundoROFL18:11
wilhartchanged nvidia to nv18:12
wilhartstill not!18:12
BUGabundoI'm out of advice for now18:12
wilhartshould i put fedora ?18:12
BUGabundotold all I knew about this18:12
BUGabundoehehe hope now!18:12
BUGabundokeep with us18:12
wilhartwhat?18:12
charlie-tcaDon't you have to remove nvidia?18:12
wilharthow do i remoev startx processes18:13
BUGabundohumm changing xorg should suffice18:13
charlie-tcaouch! I don't know18:13
BUGabundoplus 180 should work after adding abi ignore18:13
BUGabundowilhart: just reboot to safe mode18:13
charlie-tcaI just don't run compiz, myself. It works great.18:13
BUGabundoand su to your user, and start X from there18:13
BUGabundome neither18:14
BUGabundobut compiz works okay18:14
wilhartok18:14
wilharti got int!:D18:14
BUGabundoI just need to reload it twive18:14
wilhartin18:14
wilharttnx18:14
BUGabundo*twice18:14
burneranyone know where in gconf the keyboard layout options are set?  I tried to use system->prefs->keyboard->layout->layout options to change the alt/win key behavior back to "default" but it keeps going back to "meta is mapped to the win-keys" which breaks vbox win key access18:26
burneraww, nevermind... seems i have to set it to "super is mapped to win keys" instead of default... default wouldn't work for some reason and kept reverting18:32
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Raffaelehello18:58
RaffaeleI wanted to ask why the mixer volume jaunty as he returned to intrepid? you know something?18:59
burner_pardon?  what about the mixer in intrepid?18:59
Raffaeleyes19:00
Raffaelethat is, is back as the intrepid19:00
fosco__i do not understand19:01
fosco__what do you mean?19:01
RaffaeleThen, I updated the jaunty alpha 419:02
burner_yeah, wtf?  is back as the intrepid isn't quite coherent to me19:02
BUGabundome neither19:02
RaffaeleI show you a picture19:03
BUGabundoI think he wants to use the OLD mixer, on jaunty19:03
Raffaelehttp://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schermataubuntu904thejaop2.png19:03
burner_aww... you can still use the old mixer... but you can't get rid of the notification area mixer yet :\19:03
Raffaelethe mixer is returned to the previous version, namely the intrepid19:04
BUGabundoI just use alsamixer or alsamixergui from terminal19:04
Raffaelelook at the photos19:04
BUGabundoor install the pulse audio applet19:04
BUGabundothat gives you much more controls19:04
burner_oh, i'm with you... it doesn't show the pulseaudio mixer thing where you can adjust per-application volume19:04
fosco__it has never been default19:05
burner_it was in alpha2-alpha319:05
Raffaeleburner!!!!19:05
Raffaeleburner!!!19:05
Raffaeleas is said burner!!!!19:06
Raffaeleyou know why?19:06
* burner_ shrugs... 19:09
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anderskFirefox 3.1 fails to start for me now (bug 326312).  Can anyone confirm?19:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 326312 in firefox-3.1 "firefox-3.1 fails to start: Could not find compatible GRE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32631219:33
BUGabundoandersk: know prob19:33
BUGabundoasac mess up again.. should be fixed on the next upload...19:33
BUGabundotomorrow should be okay19:34
anderskOkay.  I didn't see an open bug.19:34
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BUGabundoyeah19:34
BUGabundojust come up on #ubuntu-mozillateam...19:35
BUGabundoeither use 3.0, 3.2, or downgrade 3.119:35
anderskOoh, are there 3.2 packages?19:35
BUGabundoon ~fta PPA19:36
Shanixhi all, If I want to upgrade my server to Jaunty without using the update-manager -d, can I do that? If so, what is the correct command?19:58
kulightis it possible upgrading my file system from ext3 to ext4 while upgrading to jaunty without formatting the partition ?19:58
charlie-tcaYes, and you have it. Did you read the release notes?19:58
charlie-tcaShanix ^ ^19:58
charlie-tcakulight: I don't know19:59
kulightcharlie-tca: thank you any way :)20:00
charlie-tcaShanix: oops, should read it right. I don't think you will be able to upgrade without update-manager -d until the final release.20:00
Shanixcharlie-tca, um.... OK, thanks20:01
BUGabundoShanix: updating a server to a devel version is not a good idea20:01
BUGabundobut just run do-release-upgrade20:01
kulightcharlie-tca: even then it the same but its done automaticlly (update-manager -d)20:01
ShanixBUGabundo, it's just a test system20:01
BUGabundoAFAIK there's no way to auto upgrade ext3->ext4 during ibex->jaunty upgrade20:01
BUGabundoit has to be done manually20:02
ShanixBUGabundo, but I don't want to install the whole Gnome Desktop for the update manager.... Interestingly enough, it says, no new release found20:02
kulightShanix: why not using update-manager -d ?20:04
Shanixkulight,  but I don't want to install the whole Gnome Desktop for the update manager....20:06
PiciShanix: What version of Ubuntu do you have installed currently?20:06
ShanixPici, intrepid server20:07
PiciShanix: sudo do-release-upgrade -d should work then20:07
kulighti dont think you need to run the command and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade20:07
BUGabundoShanix: if u already have the server version it won't install the desktpo20:07
kulightyou dont need the gui20:08
PiciBUGabundo: update-manager is not on ubuntu-server20:08
ShanixPici, very interesting, and thank you20:08
BUGabundokulight: that will not move to the devel version (unlike in debian)20:08
BUGabundoI know Pici20:08
BUGabundothat's why I recommended do-release-upgrade20:08
BUGabundojust forgot the -d20:08
ShanixBUGabundo, and that will not upgrade you to Jaunty with the -d.... u got it...20:09
kulightBUGabundo: ok20:09
BUGabundoShanix: -c does a jump for the next stable release, -d jumps to devel branch20:10
BUGabundofor both UM and DRU20:10
paineshi20:11
BUGabundohi paines20:11
painesdoes anyone know how to debug networkmanager. wlan doesn't want to work for some reason20:12
* BUGabundo anticipates! paines please read topic20:12
BUGabundooopss... not for that case20:12
paineshehe20:12
BUGabundololol charlie-tca eheh20:12
BUGabundopaines: can you please install the PPA version of NM20:12
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* burner is diggin the new screen ;020:13
painesyes. can you give me the deb url for sources.list20:13
painesplease20:13
charlie-tcahehe, I saw that20:13
legodude_any clues as to why copying smb in dolphin is soooo slow?20:14
legodude_I'm getting .5 MB/s20:15
burnerlegodude_: and it's faster in nautilus?20:15
legodude_no20:15
legodude_er20:15
legodude_haven't tried20:15
burnertry it... you'll know if it's an app problem or a netowrk problem20:16
legodude_well, I can copy quickly from the same server to other machines20:16
legodude_and if I ftp to it20:16
legodude_it is quite fast20:16
burnerit would still be helpful to see if it's all samba connections or just dolphin20:17
painesi added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main, but there doesn't seem to be any updates20:17
legodude_burner: any suggestions other than nautilus? I am somewhat disk-space limited on this machine and don't have it installed yet20:19
burnerlegodude_: try konqueror?20:19
burnerlegodude_: or smbclient via terminal?20:19
legodude_26MB/s over FTP to same server20:19
legodude_now gonna try smbclient20:20
legodude_grrr, smbclient won't tell you speeds as it is downloading20:20
legodude_well, it was really fast20:21
legodude_done already20:21
kulightis it possible upgrading my file system from ext3 to ext4 while upgrading to jaunty without formatting the partition ?20:24
legodude_burner: really strange, if I do it in konq, I get 20MB/s20:24
legodude_but it seems to be using the same mechanism as dolphin20:24
legodude_ugh20:25
legodude_what is going on here20:25
burnerlegodude_: i'm not sure exactly, but at least we've nailed it down as a dolphin bug20:27
legodude_maybe20:27
legodude_I'm also being stupid here20:27
legodude_let me do some more testing before blathering ridiculously20:28
legodude_well, there is some problem but I still have to diagnose smb or dolphin20:29
mphill_legodude_: whats the issue?20:33
legodude_I'm doing proper debugging now20:34
legodude_should be done in 5min or so20:34
legodude_have to find a way to time file transfers with smbclient20:35
legodude_okay20:42
legodude_mphill_: I have it now20:42
legodude_mphill_: burner: http://pastebin.com/m598a362220:43
burneruhh... so is smbclient slow?  I see s but not mb/s20:45
legodude_dolphin20:45
legodude_look at the last line20:45
legodude_smbclient put is half as fast as it should be20:46
legodude_but dolphin put is 100x slower20:46
burneruhh... launchpad bug report time?20:47
* burner wishes he was a dolphin master20:47
legodude_http://pastebin.com/m795802fc20:48
legodude_there is corrected with speeds for all20:48
mphill_legodude_: samba generally sucks for speed within nautilus20:51
mphill_i get like ~30MB/s with sabma and like 90MB/s with Filezilla20:51
burnermphill_: we're talking dolphin sucking right now20:53
legodude_90!20:53
legodude_raid!20:53
legodude_and this is 100x slower20:53
legodude_I know samba is no speed demon20:54
legodude_but 2 log is not acceptable20:55
mphill_samba is just slow21:01
mphill_i've never gotten it over 40 much21:01
mphill_even with all the tweaks in the smb.conf file21:01
mphill_nfs is no better21:01
mphill_i have HP procurve switches21:01
mphill_my wire is about 175FT21:02
mphill_i think that might mess it up too21:02
legodude_175ft is no problem21:04
mphill_i used a fluke to test the wire21:05
mphill_i'm convinced samba just sucks21:05
mphill_my hard drives are capable of 100MB/s21:05
legodude_it does21:05
legodude_which is strange21:05
legodude_raid system?21:05
mphill_well, my desktop is a 10K rpm 300GB velociraptor, my name is two 1 TB seagates in raind 121:06
mphill_raid 121:06
mphill_name = nas21:06
mphill_all gigabit cards21:07
mphill_i thought maybe i was saturating the bus, but i can get 100MB/s with ftp21:07
mphill_do that's debuked21:07
legodude_well, I launchpadded it21:08
legodude_so we will see if anything ever happens21:08
mphill_i think i even tried sabma421:09
mphill_but that failed21:09
mphill_when i mount the drive, i saw no performance gain either21:09
biouserwhat is the analog... inlines:FK  as ?what?:one2one   is there any such what for the admin?21:17
biousersorry I do that every day ...21:17
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OasisGamesHey, I have a serious issue: I'm missing libxcb-xlib.so.0, and the package (libxcb-xlib0) has "no installation candidate" because a bunch of references are still broken.21:53
cousteauwill my graphics card work on Jaunty? it's a Nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX 40021:53
OasisGames[OT: Did the GeForce 2 ever really work well with any nVidia driver?]21:54
cousteauits driver is the nvidia 96 (current version: 96.43.09 on Jaunty according to packages.ubuntu.com)21:54
cousteauOasisGames: it does on Hardy21:54
OasisGamesHave the blobs been updated to work with the current X server? I'm not on the up-and-up about nVidia and Jaunty, so I don't know.21:55
cousteauthere are some compiz plugins that don't work... but it's very nice for a 64MB card21:56
cousteauwhat will be the X-server version on Jaunty final? 1.5.99 or 1.6?21:57
OasisGamesThey're not going to ship with an unstable release, so 1.6 > 1.5.9921:58
Randakarheya, anyone know what the status is of 9.04's multihead support? 8.10 is kinda buggy / broken in various ways, dunno if a new X or gnome might improve things21:59
RandakarNot afraid to break my desktop, just wondering if there's even a chance of it actually making a difference ;-)22:00
OasisGamesRandakar: All things multi-head tend to be driver issues. Personally, I've never had any trouble with 8.04 or 8.10 with Intel graphics after finding out just how to make it work.22:01
Randakaryeah well, Nvidia - doesn't help does it? ;-)22:01
* OasisGames is waiting patiently for a stable Nouveau for his FX5200.22:02
maxbHmm.... my X session now hangs at login with only the background visible. Does that sound familiar to anyone?22:02
RandakarI have it sort-of working in 8.10 with free drivers but dragging window to the other screen makes it hit an invisible wall of sorts ;-)22:02
OasisGames[OT: Just be happy you have an X session at all. I'm still missing my xcb-xlib libraries.]22:02
Randakarmuh, so close and yet so far. Jay, both screens work but getting gnome to understand I want panels on each monitor and a background that isn't stretched across both screens .. muh22:08
OasisGamesWell, that's just Gnome.22:08
OasisGamesGnome always moves my panel to the wrong screen. Always. It's like it knows that's not where I want it and it's torturing me...22:08
Randakarhehe22:09
Randakarpft, makes me wonder if moving to a different gui would solve things ;-)22:10
Randakarunfortunately using the gui tools to get multi-head means gnome hides the configuration somewhere from me22:10
OasisGamesThat's XRandR for you...22:13
Randakarwhat is this XRandR thing anyway? I've heard that term a lot but ..22:14
OasisGamesIt's an interface to X that provides easier, more direct, and most importantly, immediate reconfiguration of the display settings.22:14
OasisGamesStuff like resolutions and rotation.22:14
OasisGamesWhich I believe are the two Rs.22:15
Randakaraha22:15
Randakarhmn .. xrandr --help22:15
OasisGames[OT: I get an error when I run it because, again, I'm missing my xcb-xlib]22:16
Randakarwell, that tells me .. X seems to believe the config is right I guess ;-)22:17
Randakarjust gnome ..22:17
RandakarI wonder why the nvidia proprietary stuff managed to get that right a few months back - it has bugged out on me since, but still ..22:18
Randakarah well .. off again, time to fiddle a bit I guess22:19
ali1234i just updated, and after rebooting, the fonts in gnome are much bigger, to the point that windows don't fit on the screen any more22:37
ali1234i guess it's a DPI issue, but i'm not sure if it is a bug or not22:37
charlie-tcaCheck the release notes, towards the bottom: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha422:39
Volkodavanybody tried googleearth 5.0 ?22:40
OasisGamesI'd like to try X, but oh, wait, libraries are missing...22:40
VolkodavI installed it and fixed the crash problem but can not get the small fonts to fix22:40
Volkodavprevious versions fies did not work22:40
charlie-tcaheh, beta release won't work on alpha release?22:41
ali1234charlie-tca: well... xdpyinfo reports the correct dimensions: 1024x600, 195x133 mm, 133x135 DPI. it's a netbook display22:43
mjcali1234: the fonts are not 135dpi? or they are, and that is "too big"22:44
ali1234the fonts look about the same size as my desktop display, however they are a greater pixel size because of the higher DPI22:44
charlie-tcaWhat size does it say your screen is?22:44
ali1234charlie-tca: it says what i typed above...22:44
charlie-tcaMax Image Size [cm]: is in mm?22:45
OasisGamesI'll ask again: where did libxcb-xlib.so.o run off to? 'Cause it's definitely in any libxlib-xcb0 package (there isn't one anymore).22:45
OasisGamesnot*22:45
ali1234iit doesn't say anything about max image size...22:45
charlie-tcaali1234: If EDID doesn't report the Max Image Size in cm, the fonts will be the wrong size.22:46
ali1234on xdpyinfo?22:46
AmaranthOasisGames: What do you need it for?22:47
mjcali1234: if the measurement in mm is correct, then the dpi is correct, and you are used to fonts being physically smaller than they should be22:47
mjcali1234: 12 point font should be the same physical size on your screen as it is on a sheet of paper22:47
OasisGamesAmaranth: ... everything?22:47
charlie-tcaProblem: Monitor is lying22:47
charlie-tcaSee what it says in that section...22:47
mjcali1234: if it's not, it can either be too big: monitor lying, or it can be too small: monitor lying22:48
* Amaranth looks at /usr/lib/libX11-xcb.so.1 in libx11-xcb122:48
mjcif it's the right physical size, then you are just not used to having fonts look the correct size22:48
OasisGamesI'm not getting that.22:48
ali1234hmm, intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96)22:49
OasisGamesEverything here links to libxcb-xlib.so.022:49
charlie-tcaTry changing the DPI then, ali123422:49
charlie-tcaThat changes the size of the font as seen on screen22:49
OasisGamesSo the only option is to symlink, and even then, is that the right library? It doesn't sound like the right library; and if it is, why isn't there a symlink already from one of these packages?22:49
ali1234so how does xdpyinfo know the correct DPI if X doesn't?? (rhetorical question)22:50
AmaranthOasisGames: What is everything? binary stuff you should rebuild?22:50
OasisGamesWhy should I be rebuilding things?22:51
OasisGamesIt works for everyone else, why not my laptop?22:51
OasisGames(Just some recent examples: gdm, xrandr... etc?)22:51
AmaranthOasisGames: There is no more libX11-xcb.so.022:51
mjc12 point font should be 4.2333.... mm high, according to postscript22:51
AmaranthOasisGames: Thus you need to rebuild22:51
OasisGameslib22:52
OasisGamesxcb22:52
OasisGames-xlib22:52
AmaranthOasisGames: Or you need to update your packages to things rebuilt22:52
AmaranthOasisGames: Either way, the package is gone22:52
OasisGamesI've updated my packages more times than I can count. apt-get updated, apt-get upgrade, etc. etc. etc.22:52
AmaranthOasisGames: Things in jaunty know it is gone and don't depend on it22:52
AmaranthOasisGames: Your system is hosed22:52
OasisGamesThen why does my GDM depend on it?22:53
AmaranthOasisGames: Your system is hosed22:53
ali1234ok i changed the DPI back to 96 in the fonts settings and everything is back to normal. i guess there must have been an update to the intel driver to make it report the DPI correctly... so this isn't a bug at all22:53
OasisGamesHow? This doesn't make sense to me.22:53
AmaranthOasisGames: My gdm (2.20.8-0ubuntu6) doesn't depend on it22:54
Amarantharg stupid lag22:54
AmaranthOasisGames: What version of gdm do you have?22:54
charlie-tcaali1234: Glad to hear it is working :-)22:55
OasisGamesI just downgraded from 7 to 6 to test, but both fail with the same error. "libxcb-xlib.so.0" not found.22:55
Amaranthls: cannot access /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0: No such file or directory22:59
Amaranthwtf freenode, stop making me lag. gimpnet isn't lagging at all22:59
bluesmokeOasisGames: I don't have that file or that package and gdm is working fine23:01
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OasisGamesThen it's an intermediate library that references it (which I would expect?)23:02
AmaranthOasisGames: xlib was changed to provide that stuff and all packages that depend on it were rebuilt to build only against xlib23:02
AmaranthOasisGames: so, again, your system is hosed23:03
AmaranthSomething you installed _manually_ replaced something from a package and depends on that library23:03
AmaranthOr you haven't upgraded everything, although in that case it wouldn't let you remove the package23:03
OasisGamesHmm.23:04
AmaranthOasisGames: Build your own GTK+?23:04
* OasisGames checks for extraneous X libraries...23:04
OasisGames****23:04
AmaranthOasisGames: It would have to be something you built yourself23:04
ZettoHi all, i wanna update Netbeans 6.1 to NetBeans 6.5 in Ubuntu 9.04, some one can tell me if it still possble without a backport and what the step to update ?23:49
Zetto*steps23:50
FFForeverwhy does fileroller say it cant open a .7z file?23:58
ZettoFFForever, maybe the file was corrupted ...23:59
Zetto*maybe*23:59
FFForeverzetto i tried 3 different ones....23:59
FFForeverthey all opened fine in 8.04...23:59
Zettohumm23:59

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