[00:12] Hmm I'm off [01:33] Did you all see apachelogger's blog post? [01:33] yes :( [01:33] yep =/ [01:34] Isn't apachelogger the one who gets the new tarballs from KDE for us? [01:34] nhandler: there are a few people who can do that [01:35] Actually Riddell normally gets them. [01:36] vorian: Ok, just making sure. Do we have a way to publish them to kollide? [01:36] Or do we need to move all of that stuff to a new location? [01:36] nhandler: we can re-arrange that [01:39] JontheEchidna: yo [01:40] rgreening: yo [01:40] Qt 4.5.0 seems to work fine now [01:40] cool [01:40] did the plugin patch work after\ [01:41] still working on it [01:41] cool [01:41] it seems that some stuff using non-q3 stuff still needed some porting work [01:41] such as QDir enums, etc [01:41] right on [01:42] and Q3Wizard -> QDialogAssistant is being a bitch [01:42] yep [01:42] I worked on it and got no where [01:42] I've got the compile failures down to those in QDialogAssistant and a single error in QProcess [01:43] cool [01:46] I'll prob open a bug to include the current patch. If you get that one done we can do another bug for it. [01:46] And I'll submit one for Qt 4.5.0 [01:46] JontheEchidna, ScottK ^ [02:25] JontheEchidna: do you have nvidia? [02:25] lex79: an older nvidia. I use the nvidia-glx-96 drivers [02:26] ah [02:26] kde freeze in my system now... [02:26] with new xorg [02:26] :( [02:26] with vesa works [02:26] * JontheEchidna hasn't rebooted since the last xorg update [02:27] omfg, it compiled [02:27] JontheEchidna: ahahah [02:27] so..no reboot [02:27] ok, I'll keep that in mind >.> [02:27] yes [02:28] that will make it somewhat difficult to test this patch for kde4libs that I just got to compile [02:28] maybe I won't ahve to restart X for the khtml libs to go out of memory [02:29] I don't know... [02:30] I put two packages in revu but there aren't [02:30] uhm [02:46] JontheEchidna: Should be a test of your ultimate ninja fighting skillz [02:46] You might make sure you have a copy of the n-1 X .debs before you restart. [02:47] ScottK :D [02:51] * JontheEchidna restarts quassel to test new snapshot [02:53] nice [03:05] meh, kde4libs is only at 72% [03:06] * JontheEchidna might have to postpone testing until tomorrow [03:06] JontheEchidna: Soon, very soon I will have my beastly machince ready for killer builds [03:07] holy tower of knotify [03:07] I built a new computer today: AMD quad-core, 8 gigs memory, and other fun extras [03:07] quassell just sent me 4 notifications for your hihigghlt [03:07] *highlight [03:07] ohmy! [03:07] hilight in irssi speek [03:07] ~ohmy [03:08] ~order brain [03:08] * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW! [03:08] :) [03:08] vorian: I would love to have that computer [03:08] How much did it cost? [03:09] in the end, about $600 [03:09] <3 new egg [03:09] damn [03:10] I only purchased the motherboard, power-supply, cpu, memory, and case - everything else I had [03:10] JontheEchidna: How many notifications this time? [03:10] ScottK: 4 [03:11] Interesting. [03:11] Quite. [03:11] In 4.1, I only get one. [03:19] Sput: ^^^ [03:20] * claydoh <3 newegg too, just put together a dual core amd, 4gb ram and cheep matx board w/onboard video [03:20] * claydoh recycled the rest of old system [03:22] mine's so old about all I could recycle would be outside the case [03:22] How old? [03:22] except perhaps CD/DVD drives [03:22] 5 years old [03:22] my case is from 2001 [03:23] drives are 2-5 years old, dvd burner, 1 [03:23] my dad upgraded a 286 to a 486 until all of the original that was left was the case [03:23] 5 years is the general design life of most consumer grade electronic components. [03:23] ps is about 1 year [03:23] I wouldn't use hard drives over 5 years unless you don't care about the data. [03:24] he still has the 286 mobo/cpu in a box somewhere [03:24] I added a new hard drive about a year and a half back [03:24] windoze is on the old, small drive that came with the computer [03:24] * ScottK is still using a dual PIII 450 box he built in 1999 as a file server (new hard drives). [03:25] actually one drive is only 1 year old, and I do have a 10 y/o 4gb hd that still runs [03:25] came out of an HP 233 mmx desktop [03:25] The 486 dualboots windows 3.1 and redhat 6 on a 380 MB drive. I think it'd still work if you turned it on today [03:26] still have the rest of that system in a box somewhere [03:26] yeah, most of our family's previous boxes are in some state of disrepair/boxed up [03:26] the 233 was my first computer ever [03:26] * ScottK has a circa 1991 Mac LC III that last time he tried it booted. [03:26] Heh. [03:27] June of 1998 I remember that summer well [03:27] My first computer ever was a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I. [03:27] dialup wooo [03:27] 4k ram. [03:27] * claydoh is old, and somehow missed the computer revolution [03:27] How old? [03:28] * claydoh did type soemthing on a trs80 in school [03:28] 42 [03:28] Bah. I'm about 10% older. [03:28] not really pld, just missed out on the tech [03:28] old rather [03:28] we had a mac, until something called an "IBM Compatable Computer" came along [03:28] Actually PC cam before Mac. [03:28] cam/came [03:29] Apple ][ 1977, IBM PC 1981, Mac 1985 [03:29] The first "computer" I ever owned was a Gameboy Advance. 33 MHZ ARM7 with a 4/8 MHz Z80 co-processor and 320kb RAM [03:30] * ScottK has done Z80 assembler. [03:30] hp pavillion for me, 1998, 128mb ram, 4gb drive, 2(?)mb video [03:31] as I said, I missed out on a lot of tech [03:31] * claydoh has never even used a mac [03:31] After the TRS-80 I had an Apple ][ and then the Mac. [03:32] tho we did have an apple 2e or something in machine shop for cnc training [03:32] My first 'PC' was a P133 laptop that I got in 1995 after Office 95 came out with incompatible file formats and there was no Office for Mac update in sight. [03:33] my wife, techno-luddite she is, has actually played with some unix variant when she ran a hardware store [03:33] The IIe was the last Apple ][. I had a cousin who owned serial number 32. [03:33] all dumb terminals and tty's and such [03:35] He pitched it when the motherboard burned up. [03:35] It'd have been worth something I think, even just the case. [03:36] I bought a IIe at a yard sale a year or so back [03:38] I still have a 233 thinkpad that runs vector linux lite, I use it in the kitchen for looking up recipes [03:39] lol that thing from what I could find cost over 3k back in 1998 [03:41] About right. [03:42] A company I worked at we had some 286 or 386 boxes that ran about 6K when new in 93/94 ish. [03:42] After the 486 we got a 233 MHZ Pentium 2. I got a VooDoo 2 graphics card with 8 MB VRAM for Christmas [03:42] 4 years later they were boat anchors, but we were still depreciating them so we couldn't throw them away. [03:45] I believe Weird Al's "All about the Pentiums" sums up that era of computing pretty well [04:01] * JontheEchidna ->bed(Qt:FluffyPillow); [04:01] * JontheEchidna ->bed(Qt::FluffyPillow); [04:08] rgreening: oh [04:08] I just emailed you [04:08] ^_^ [04:08] hey [04:09] ...and I forgot to attach everything while I was at it [04:10] yup [04:10] I replied [04:10] haha [04:10] send it to me and Ill build it [04:10] ScottK: kmail just gave me 4 notifications [04:10] I'll be up late [04:11] Ah hah. [04:11] JontheEchidna: Are you trying some fancy new patch? [04:11] ScottK: nothing past the systray corruption patches [04:11] I suppose I should restart plasma [04:12] ScottK: Qt 4.5.0 rc1 is looking mostly good. I need to get kdebindings to build with it now. The rest of kde builds fine with Qt4.5.0 [04:12] rgreening: I can't remember, did you build python-qt4? [04:13] Because PyQt4 and kdebindings hell are closely related on armel. [04:13] could somebody ping me? [04:13] I'll rebuild pyqt4 and pykde and see what happens [04:13] ping JontheEchidna [04:14] :) [04:14] \o/ [04:14] 1 notification this time, not 4 [04:14] lol [04:14] brb [04:15] * ScottK notes the return of UTU and discovers he's already done as many Jaunty uploads as he did the entire Intrpepid cycle. [04:16] oh, it's back? [04:16] Yep. See planet. [04:16] #59 myself, not bad [04:17] er, #21 [04:17] 59 uploads :P [04:17] Yeah, well last cycle I never once did anything like toss 16 plasmoids at the archive at once and see what stuck. [04:18] Which is not the recommended approach, but seemed to work out OK. [04:19] * JontheEchidna notices he was supposed to run his bed() function 15 minutes ago [04:19] Sleep is for the weak. [04:19] ;-) [04:19] * JontheEchidna out [04:21] JontheEchidna: did you send the patch [04:23] apachelogger is buggering off... oh no's [04:24] I'm #55 [04:24] :o [04:24] 76 [04:24] it didn't feel like that many [04:24] I thought maybe 40 or 50 [04:25] I had 15 only apparantly... [04:25] feels like I did more [04:26] hrmph.. I did more in Intrepid apparantly.. seems wrong [04:26] It only counts the ones where you are listed as changed-by. [04:26] we still have 2 months to go [04:26] true [04:27] yet less than 2 weeks til feature freeze! [04:27] we need to go on a plasma hunt [04:27] plasmoids, even [04:27] Since we're doing the bzr stuff we're seeing more uploads that combine changes too. [04:28] ScottK: that is true. [04:30] ScottK: kdelib4c2a is still in kubuntu-desktop [04:30] k3b [04:30] Also Knm is still there for a bit. [04:30] can we get rid of yet? Tonio_ was packaging [04:30] plasmoid works fine now (at least for my testing) [04:31] rgreening: I wonder how well it would work with 4.1? [04:31] hmm... dunno. good q for Tonio_ [04:31] * ScottK considers a backport. [04:31] Great way to get lots of testing. [04:31] ScottK: go for it. [04:32] * ScottK would like to hear from Tonio first. [04:32] I feel like packaging k3b myself [04:32] * ScottK already spent too much of tonight unscrewing a Gnomish backport he approved. [04:32] lol [04:33] * ScottK is not kidding. [04:34] * ScottK visited svn.gnome.org for the first time ever to verify the change proposed by some unknown person really was a backport of an upstream patch. [04:34] Im going to look for k3b and attempt to package [04:34] heh [04:56] ScottK: do you think rebuilding pyqt4 will help kdebindings build? [04:57] Might. [04:57] Might make it worse too. [04:57] lol [06:14] ScottK: ping [06:14] Yes? [06:14] ScottK: for Qt 4.5.0, what do you want tested again? Eric, amarok,... [06:15] Eric on top of a rebuild pyqt4 is what i suggested [06:15] ok, Im building pyqt4 now [06:15] will add eroc after [06:15] OK [06:15] eric even, [06:15] k [06:15] I'm not sure what else. [06:16] if you think of anything, let me know. [06:16] This seems a bit scary to me to be switching now. I will. [06:17] ScottK: if you can test Qt4.5.0 in Jaunty, it would help assuage your fears (potentially) [06:17] I don't have a box I can dedicate to Jaunty right now. [06:17] fabo: ping [06:17] fabo is running it too I believe. [06:19] OK. Just uploaded the current clamav to hardy-backports. Now I'm off to bed. [06:19] nite [06:20] Good night [08:05] ScottK: yes, I'm running with Qt 4.5.0 rc1. [08:29] fabo: hey. I am about ready to finalize my build. We should compare merge changes. Where was yours again? I lost my logs [08:31] fabo: have you tried re-building KDE4.2 against Qt4.5.0? Only issue I have left is kdebindings. [08:32] rgreening: on alioth pkg-kde/branches/qt4-x11 [08:33] I'm triaging qt-copy changes right now since they have updated qt-copy yesterday [08:34] otherwise, i didn't tried to rebuild KDE 4.2 against it [08:35] you can find it here too => http://alioth.debian.org/~fabo/qt4-x11_4.5.0~rc1-1/ [08:35] patches I used: 0195 0209 0216 0225 0226 0234 0245 0255 [08:35] fabo: the rest are applied or obsolete [08:39] fabo: mostly problem free here runing it. I have performed a rebuild of KDE, python-qt4, python-sip4, amarok, etc on the new qt. everythnig is fine except getting bindings to build. I have to investigate some more. [08:41] ok [08:42] fabo, do you also take care of kde packages in debian? [08:43] rgreening: yes, i'm working on them too. btw i didn't played with bindings myself [08:44] fabo: cool. [08:57] rgreening: 0226 removed. it seems already in Qt 4.5 [08:58] 0226.. are you sure? [08:59] SVN commit 921924 by mueller [08:59] cool [09:02] nap time [09:02] nite fabo [09:03] good night [09:14] JontheEchidna: you around [09:14] ? [09:16] I have a problem with a package build I try to make [09:16] I f someone is around who could help me, ping me please :) [09:29] Mamarok: there are probably some that might be able to help, but best if you just say the issue so we can see ;) [10:01] jussi01: well, read the pastebin :) [10:02] * jussi01 cant see any pastebin link... [10:03] oops, thougt I had pasted it, sry [10:03] http://pastebin.com/d320bf646 [10:04] i absolutely need that package [10:05] Mamarok: no such package in this PPA [10:05] oh sry [10:05] hm, so I guess it's in experimental [10:05] wget http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok-mysql-dfsg-5.1/amarok-libmysqlclient-dev_5.1.26rc-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb [10:06] but that's the link apachelogger gave me [10:06] hmm bit too long [10:06] let's hope nobody removed it [10:06] Mamarok: try mine :P [10:07] Quintasan: that did the trick, thanks :) [10:08] Mamarok: no problem :D [10:14] lol I can't build anything but hello using debuild :D [11:02] omg, pbuilder sure downloads lots of packages when compiling KDE apps [11:26] checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. [11:26] Installing libx11-dev didnt help === Quintasan is now known as Przewlek === Przewlek is now known as PrzewleklyBrakPi === PrzewleklyBrakPi is now known as Quintasan [12:17] #!/bin/sh [12:17] # invoke shell if build fails. [12:17] apt-get install -y --force-yes vim less bash [12:17] cd /tmp/buildd/*/debian/.. [12:17] oh my god, sorry :/ [12:33] Mamarok: ping [12:35] rgreening: yes, I sent you the files in an email with the same name as the last one [12:37] JontheEchidna: hi, problem solved :) [12:38] Great :) === quassel128 is now known as ulo_ [12:52] hey there. did you receive bugreports about segfaults in ksmserver and nepomukservices since the last kdebase updates? [12:54] kwin+x11 run at 100% cpu after loggin into kde since today - dmesg shows: http://pastebin.com/m20c57a7b [12:55] no errors in X11.0.log [13:00] last action before poweroff was a aptitude full-upgrade which installed kdebase-workspace* 4.2.0-0ubuntu4 and xserver-common/xserver-xorg-core to 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu3 [13:18] rgreening: It works, sorta [13:18] rgreening: the detection capabilities are the same as the other patch, unfortunately :( [13:18] also I accidentally enabled the next button for the assistant dialog, lol [13:20] http://imagebin.ca/view/f_PViN.html [13:20] rgreening: If we can get this working properly we should. It has a license acceptance dialog and all that good stuff [13:29] \o apachelogger [13:29] o/ JontheEchidna [13:29] Check what rgreening and I have been working on: http://imagebin.ca/view/f_PViN.html [13:29] hm [13:29] It's a port of the KDE3 flash installation wizard [13:30] Lure: the ruby magic is self-maintaining :P [13:30] it finally compiled without Qt/KDE3 support [13:30] apachelogger: sure, now it will be even proven, NOT ;-) [13:31] JontheEchidna: the dialog is flawed [13:31] KDE plugin? [13:31] what plugin? why plugin? where plugin? huh plugin? [13:31] that and there's no next button :P [13:31] it still has... issues [13:32] but it compiles! [13:32] JontheEchidna: it really needs provide some more information [13:32] but otherwise cool [13:32] except due to a kde4libs bug flash isn't detected on youtube :( [13:32] Lure: well, since 4.2.0 was an ultimate testrun the current revision ought to work mostly [13:32] since they do a check to see if you have flash [13:33] and don't try to embed things unconditionally [13:33] ScottK: btw, I recommend you get that ubuntuwire access .... or another server to use as remote location for the tarballs [13:34] JontheEchidna: well, I suppose that somehow works with firefox [13:34] JontheEchidna: oh ... and once you are happy with the patch -> push it upstream with all the noise you can make [13:34] maintaing that as a patch is pure insanity [13:35] apachelogger: currently it does require a setting in k-d-s for the plugin location for it to download [13:35] plugin location? [13:36] * apachelogger doesn't really remember how the patch works :P [13:36] but [13:36] the location on the internets for the flash plugin [13:36] how would that work with $package? [13:36] we also have a much simpler patch that just prompts the user to install it with install-package [13:36] well [13:37] from my point of view $distro should provide desktop files to set this kind of stuff [13:37] one to define which application to use for installation [13:37] and loads of them to define package names for the various plugin times [13:38] s/times/types [14:21] JontheEchidna: oh, and if there is no distro defined desktop files the assitant probably should only redirect the user to $download page of $plugin [14:21] sine there is no common pattern for taring nsplugins [14:30] apachelogger: thats bollocks! you cant take a new job with out consulting us first!! [14:31] * jussi01 goes to call apachelogger's boss... [14:31] it's not like I had much choice on that :P [14:31] hehe [15:23] anybody understand what is benefit of lpia architecture for atom pcu? [15:23] cpu [15:24] I have dual-core atom as server and am not sure if running lpia makes sense (currently on amd64) [15:39] * smarter didn't know atom was 64bits [15:44] smarter: my atom 330 is dual-core, hyper-threaded 64-bit "beast" ;-) [15:44] HT even? :O [15:45] lpia is 32 bit to start with. [15:45] ScottK: ok, but what is the benfit? [15:46] * Lure does not need 64-bit as I have only 2 GB ram [15:46] * Lure did not find any reasoning for lpia on wiki... [15:46] I understand it's optimized for that arch, but no idea what that actually means. [15:47] it's compiled with the cpu flags available on the atoms [15:47] probably sse2 and stuff [15:48] normally, 32bits packages are compiled with only the minimum cpu feature, to be compatible with 486 and stuff that only exists in museum now [15:49] I don't know if it has much advantage versus 64bits, since more cpu flags are standardised and used in compilation for 64bits, and it's supposed to be faster(but eat more ram) [15:54] * apachelogger is suprised by how well the mozilla binary tarball does not work at all [15:54] maybe the tar is b0rked [15:56] aha ... so much for that mirror -.- [17:29] apachelogger: Would you mind looking at our quassel package and seeing if you can convince it to build with debug actually on? I seem to be a total failure in that department. [17:29] Or anyone else for that matter. [17:33] ScottK: -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull [17:34] The problem appears to be it's stripped [17:34] /usr/bin/quasselclient: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [17:34] But I set nostrip in the package. [17:35] debugfull is already set. [17:41] ScottK: why not strip it to -dbg? [17:41] That was going to be my next step. [17:42] If someone wanted to put that together, I'd be glad to sponsor it (if you need sponsoring) [17:42] ScottK: just add a -dbg package [17:42] cdbs will take care of everything else [17:42] ENOTENOUGHTIME today [17:42] just saying :P [17:56] claydoh: ping [17:58] blizzz: pong! [17:59] claydoh: because of the quassel-doc translation [17:59] blizzz: I just now got to relying to y yoour email [18:00] yeah, i read it 2 min ago [18:00] in fact i don't know what neversfelde and you have agreed, however you can see it here: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Benutzer:Neversfelde/quassel [18:01] blizzz: no agreements, he did tell me there mighgt be a translation coming :)( [18:01] there's one issue left: i do not use quassel either and have not installed it, thus i don't know wether i translated menu-entries and options correctly [18:01] well, here it is :D [18:02] I can look at it maybe, the menus and such should be easy [18:02] great [18:03] once I get my monitor situation corrected, I may try out quassel as cleint-core [18:03] probably the translation itself can be improved here and there since mcas (who translated some parts aswell) and i are not native speaker [18:06] blizzz: not bad actually. it is much better than I would have done traslating something from English to German that ius for sure [18:06] * claydoh is American, and thus mostly know only one language :) [18:06] well, i guess german is worse to learn [18:07] maybe [18:07] * blizzz was born in poland but moved at the age of three to germany [18:07] unfortunately i have no polish skills any more :( [18:08] I used to be able to speak enough Spanish to keep out of trouble, but have forgotten most of it too [18:09] una cerveza por favor? [18:09] or something like it :) [18:09] claydoh: Your screen shots are going to need updating since there's a toolbar now ... [18:09] I know :) [18:10] blizzz: pretty much, plus enough to buy repair parts for the Simca car we had [18:12] have you been in spain? [18:13] ?me lived on the island of Menorca for 1.5 years, back in 1980-1981 [18:13] my father was military, and they had a small station there [18:14] not a bad place ;) [18:15] no, very nice, nice people too [18:20] back to the quassel-doc, how do we procced further? [18:21] maybe just some editing to the translation, I can work on that some, though it is pretty good over all :) [18:22] though it will take me a little time as I do have a lot to do the next few days [18:23] mostly at work, so away fromm the keyboard :( [18:23] cool, thanks. that is okay, it took us about 2.5weeks to go this far, so take your time [18:24] i mean take as much time as you need, don't hurry [18:24] :) [18:39] claydoh: is there a way to use a server password and nickserv password (with quassel) [18:45] it's in the Networks config section [18:46] you can set a server password or use the Auto Identify tab [19:42] Hobbsee: \o/ [19:42] JontheEchidna: / [19:43] OMG I so cant type [19:44] rgreening: howdy, tested Qt 4.5rc1? :] [19:44] JontheEchidna: that's cool. it's great that it's real close [19:44] smarter: yup [19:44] works great here. [19:44] cool [19:44] no crash? [19:44] smarter: I would appreciate you testing KDE/Qt from my PPA [19:44] smarter: not anymore [19:44] 'kay [19:45] smarter: I rebuilt KDE and related bits in my PPA [19:45] feel any difference for perfs? [19:45] smarter: I haven't noticed anything in particular... [19:46] ScottK: heh check out my new sig http://forum.kde.org:80/claydoh-u-322.html [19:46] oopps wrong profile [19:46] your ppa is rgreening? [19:46] cool [19:46]