[00:00] <gorgonizer> as I have been on 4.2 since the first beta..
[00:01] <lovre> gorgonizer: is 4.2 released or is it still in beta?
[00:01] <tim56> gorgonizer: I got an error in adept http://pastebin.com/d7befbba what should I do?
[00:02] <gorgonizer> lovre: it has had its final release, but it is in experimental repos for Intrepid..
[00:03] <blueraven> can I ditch windows for ubuntu? what functionality might I lose?
[00:03] <lovre> gorgonizer: so if i dont want any trouble, i would not install it now, correct?
[00:03] <gorgonizer> tim56: at the command line, you will need to do  sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_all.deb
[00:03] <blueraven> can ubuntu support things through usb like any mp3 player, psp etc?
[00:03] <blueraven> and what about games like sims 2?
[00:04] <blueraven> I know wine runs windows program but I don't know how extensive that is
[00:04] <blueraven> and I have usb devices I need to use
[00:04] <gorgonizer> lovre: having done it myself, there are so few problems with the install process (esp if you can get help from here) that the additional functionality of 4.2 outweighs any minor install issues..
[00:05] <gorgonizer> blueraven: what USB devices are you looking to use?
[00:05] <lovre> blueraven: i think you wont have any problems with usb devices, but wine wont run all games. It did run most of them for me, like CounterStrike...
[00:05] <lovre> gorgonizer: erm... since im not an advanced user, can you enlighten me with just a few of important ones of those additional functionalities?
[00:05] <blueraven> so, is there no reason to have windows anymore?
[00:05] <gorgonizer> blueraven: there is an application database on the Wine website so you can check whether the programs you want to use work well under Wine..
[00:05] <tim56> blueraven: if the usb device works like a mass storage device (thumb drive) it will work no problem. Wine does most everything but not 100% check their website to see if you program runs well
[00:06] <blueraven> is windows unnecessary then?
[00:06] <gorgonizer> blueraven: for me, there hasn't been a need for Windows for a while, but I don't really play games that often..
[00:06] <tim56> blueraven: depends on what you really want. I would suggest you dual boot for a few months before ditching windows
[00:07] <gorgonizer> lovre: are you using KDE 4.1?
[00:07] <lovre> gorgonizer: yes, kde 4.1.3
[00:07] <blueraven> dual boot partitions my harddrive right? can I do that while vista is already on it and it won't hurt what I already have by partitioning it?
[00:08] <gorgonizer> lovre: it has been so long since I used 4.1.x that I cannot remember, but I like System monitoring tools, for which there were no plasmoids when I used 4.1.3..
[00:08] <tim56> blueraven: ya I've done that a dozen or more times, but haveing a backup is allways a good idea before messing with partitions
[00:08] <blueraven> awesome
[00:09] <blueraven> I'm tired of windows 100 services running and even after disabling you still have a good 50+ services..also cleaning the registry until it causes problems etc
[00:09] <lovre> gorgonizer: are there still folder views on desktop, i heard you can go back to old desktop style, the full surface concept
[00:10] <gorgonizer> lovre: yes that can now be changed to show the Desktop folder (like in KDE 3.5)
[00:11] <gorgonizer> lovre: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Feature_Plan lists the features that KDE 4.2 has in place (and some that were not completed in time, I guess will be added to either 4.2.x releases, or wait for 4.3)
[00:11] <lovre> thanx
[00:12] <gorgonizer> lovre: 4.2 will be the default desktop in Jaunty (the next release), so if you are happy with 4.1, it may be worth waiting, though I would give it a try ;)
[00:13] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok, ill give it a try....  staring now :d
[00:13] <gorgonizer> lovre: do you use the command line at all?  as I found it easier via command line than via Adept..
[00:14] <lovre> gorgonizer: just one more thing, it says to uninstall any widgets/plasmoids, how do i do that? is it enough just removing them from desktop?
[00:15] <gorgonizer> lovre: fromt he wording you will need to remove the plasmoids package that 4.1.3 uses, bare with me, and I will find it..
[00:15] <gorgonizer> lovre: you can also ignore the issue they mention with KDE Office..
[00:16] <lovre> gorgonizer: i have..
[00:16] <lovre> gorgonizer: allready stared........ or i think so.. dunno
[00:16] <gorgonizer> kdeplasmoids is the package you will need to remove I believe..
[00:18] <lovre> 80%
[00:18] <lovre> 90%
[00:18] <lovre> fingers crossed
[00:18] <sparr> KDE seems to only recognize mouse movement when computing the time to turn on the screen saver.  Keyboard input and even mouse button events have no effect.  What could have caused that, and how do I fix it?
[00:18] <gorgonizer> hmmm, wnet faster than mine did ;)
[00:18] <lovre> gorgonizer: ye, fasssst net
[00:19] <gorgonizer> ahhh, are you indicating the download completion?
[00:19] <lovre> gorgonizer: now it wants me to set password for mysql server 5.0
[00:19] <lovre> gorgonizer: yes
[00:20] <gorgonizer> do you use MySQL?  I would either leave it blank, set it to your user password, or if you have a root password you use, use that instead..
[00:20] <lovre> will this sql server be visible from others on the LAN? since im in a BIG network..?
[00:21] <gorgonizer> lovre: I am fairly sure it will not be, but you can always firewall it off afterwards.. but I would assume that it is set to accept requests from localhost only by default...
[00:22] <lovre> gorgonizer: wem, im having some problems, i encountered an error
[00:22] <lovre> gorgonizer: http://pastebin.com/m4fad2bd6
[00:23] <gorgonizer> lovre: you will need to enter the following at a command prompt: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb
[00:24] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok, what now
[00:24] <lovre> gorgonizer: press ok?
[00:24] <gorgonizer> then, from the same prompt, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:24] <gorgonizer> yeah press okay, then run that first command in konsole
[00:25] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok.. what now
[00:26] <gorgonizer> so you have ran sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb ??
[00:26] <lovre> yes
[00:26] <lovre> and the other onw
[00:26] <lovre> one
[00:26] <gorgonizer> did that complete?
[00:26] <lovre> yes
[00:26] <lovre> on the second one, it finished but gave me a warning: http://pastebin.com/m388a05ee
[00:27] <gorgonizer> lovre: run   sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get install -f
[00:28] <lovre> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:28] <lovre>  kate
[00:28] <gorgonizer> then re-run   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:28] <lovre>  ksysguard
[00:28] <lovre>  kdebase-plasma
[00:28] <lovre>  kdebase-workspace-bin
[00:28] <lovre> gorgonizer: nothing change
[00:28] <gorgonizer> what errors is it giving?  can you pastebin them for me?
[00:28] <gorgonizer> try   sudo apt-get install libplasma3
[00:29] <gorgonizer> let me know if that installs..
[00:29] <ubuntu_> Hmfff
[00:29] <lovre> gorgonizer: it returned this: http://pastebin.com/m64dd8adc
[00:29] <gorgonizer> tim56: did 4.2 install correctly?
[00:30] <ubuntu_> Kde 4.2 Powa (L)
[00:31] <lovre> gorgonizer: its fixed with "sudo apt-get -f install", i think it installed libplasma3 and rest
[00:31] <lovre> gorgonizer: what now?
[00:31] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok, its starting to upgrade
[00:32] <gorgonizer> ahhh, that is good to know..
[00:32] <lovre> gorgonizer: :)
[00:32] <lovre> gorgonizer: as you said, no big problems, till now anyway
[00:33] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok, i think its done. what now?
[00:33] <tim56> well that didn't work
[00:33] <gorgonizer> lovre: yeah, when I did it, I had to get round these issues on my own, and since I have tried to help as many as I could, as 4.2 is worth the minor pain it can inflict during install ;)
[00:33] <gorgonizer> tim56: what happened?  still on 4.1.3?
[00:34] <tim56> it installed, but I couldn't see any of the title bars. or use any hot keys like alt+tab
[00:34] <lovre> gorgonizer: ye, thank you very much for this guidance, maybe you could write it down somewhere and just give links to people, since i believe same errors happen to most people.
[00:34] <lovre> gorgonizer: do i restart X now, or restart computer? or wot :)
[00:35] <jeremie> hey i need help wene i dowload from adept, the speed is 20kb/s but when i download from a site its 300kb/s. can u help me??
[00:35] <gorgonizer> lovre: if the install has completed, then I would recommend restarting tbh..
[00:35] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok, bbiab
[00:35] <lovre> ty
[00:35] <gorgonizer> lovre: np..
[00:35] <jeremie> hey i need help wene i dowload from adept, the speed is 20kb/s but when i download from a site its 300kb/s. can u help me??
[00:36] <lovre> gorgonizer: oops, i cant shut down, when i press Leave, there is no menu :!!
[00:36] <gorgonizer> jeremie: do you get the same speeds if you do any updates/installs from the command line?
[00:36] <jeremie> i dont know how to uns the command line
[00:37] <jeremie> *use
[00:37] <lovre> gorgonizer: can i shutdown from konsole?
[00:37] <gorgonizer> lovre: do a Ctrl + Alt +Backspace then, which will restart X..
[00:37] <lovre> gorgonizer: ok
[00:38] <gorgonizer> jeremie: is it a specific package you want to install, or just updates?
[00:38] <tim56> gorgonizer: I'm having issues with 4.2 i can't see any titlebars to my applications
[00:38] <gorgonizer> tim56: I am trying to think of the solution to that, as I had it myself.. do you get a desktop, or is it all black?
[00:39] <tim56> i get desktop
[00:39] <jeremie> it does that with everithing like updates, pakages (like supertux, mplayer ect)
[00:39] <gorgonizer> tim56: if you right click, do you get options, mainly an option Appearance Settings?
[00:39] <tim56> yep i can even change my deskop image
[00:40] <gorgonizer> jeremie: in konsole, run  sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade  (All as one command)
[00:40] <jeremie> ok ill try
[00:40] <gorgonizer> tim56: is there a theme set?
[00:40] <gorgonizer> tim56: also, do you get the panel at the bottom of the screen?
[00:42] <jeremie> it does that at the end > E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[00:43] <tim56> the theme is oxygen, i downloaded and set it to glowish, it didn't do anything (other than changing the theme)
[00:44] <vbgunz> the latest updates for jaunty just broke the nvidia binary driver... I can login graphically *but* plasma never starts :(
[00:45] <astromme> O.o
[00:45] <astromme> what were the latest updates?
[00:46] <gorgonizer> jeremie:  run  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade (I forget the second sudo, apologies)
[00:47] <jeremie> ok ill try
[00:47] <gorgonizer> tim56: is there a panel, or is it only the title bars that are missing?
[00:47] <tim56> there is a panel
[00:47] <tim56> I am using nvidia, so I'm disabling that now
[00:48] <gorgonizer> tim56: I have nvidia, and it is working fine..
[00:48] <jeremie> it works but its steel very slow :-(
[00:48] <vbgunz> astromme: not sure. I booted back in and though X seems to start, I cannot login. I reinstalled the nvidia driver but I am guessing plasma never starts... I never get pass the splash screen
[00:48] <gorgonizer> jeremie: it could be that which ever servers you are connecting too are slow atm..
[00:48] <astromme> It seems like a plasma issue rather than a nvidia one.
[00:49] <lovre> done!
[00:49] <lovre> :D
[00:49] <vbgunz> maybe. brb
[00:49] <lovre> upgraded, working nice
[00:49] <tim56> without nvidia driver, same problem
[00:49] <gorgonizer> astromme: I agree..
[00:49] <jeremie> ok but B4 i had FEDORA 10 and it was steel slow
[00:49] <astromme> vbgunz: when you're at the "black screen" when loggin in can you do an alt-ctrl-f1 to get to a terminal, run DISPLAY=:0 konsole
[00:49] <astromme> switch back to gui and see if you get a terminal
[00:49] <jeremie> anyway thanks for the help
[00:49] <astromme> if so, run "plasma" and see what happens
[00:50] <lovre> gorgonizer: everything seems ok, thank you for help once again :D
[00:50] <vbgunz> astromme: ok, will do that now, brb
[00:50] <gorgonizer> lovre: no problem, I am glad that it worked :)
[00:50] <gorgonizer> perhaps I should do some ducmentation then..
[00:50] <gorgonizer> tim56: did the upgrade complete correctly?
[00:51] <gorgonizer> if you open konsole, re-run  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:51] <tim56> it required forceing but it worked fine
[00:53] <tim56> ya it's all installed expect gwenview
[00:54] <gorgonizer> tim56: I am baffled then, of all the things to disappear, the title bars is the weirdest thing... that would seem to be to do the window manager.. which is why I would check to see if any kwin packages were missed in the upgrade..
[00:56] <tim56> how can i check?
[00:58] <tim56> amazing it's fixed with "sudo apt-get install kwin"
[00:58] <tim56> thanks all
[00:58] <gorgonizer> tim56: in the command line run   apt-cache policy kde-window-manager
[00:58] <vbgunz> astromme: I just wanted to update you. unfortunately, I go to tty 1, DISPLAY=:0 konsole, switch back to X, the splash screen disappears *but* I see no konsole. right now am using the vesa driver at a horrible resolution :/
[00:59] <andy---> Hi, I just installed the latest kubuntu and followed the instructions on the main page to upgrade to kde 4.2 but I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m1b5e8541
[00:59] <andy---> any help would be appreciated.
[01:00] <astromme> vbgunz: hmm, that seems odd. Does the command seem to successfully work from the terminal? (No "application crashing" or other errors)?
[01:00] <vbgunz> astromme: no errors or anything, just stays there as if waiting for input or something
[01:00] <gorgonizer> andy---: run sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb
[01:00] <vbgunz> am checking xorg.logs
[01:01] <gorgonizer> andy---: then complete the uppdate...
[01:01] <vbgunz> dont know what I am looking for but a clue :)
[01:02] <astromme> vbgunz: Hmm.... still odd. Do you have another DE on the system? Gnome/XFCE?
[01:02] <vbgunz> astromme: no :(
[01:02] <andy---> gorgonizer, that appears to be working. Thanks you.
[01:03] <vbgunz> I am going through logs looking for errors now. am not seeing anything striking :/
[01:03] <junior> hi, is it possible to change the order of my items on the launcher's favorites menu?
[01:03] <gorgonizer> andy---: no problem, Ihadto run similar ommands about 3 times tocompletethe installwhenI did t..
[01:03] <vbgunz> astromme: im gonna try turning effects off and see what happens
[01:03] <andy---> gorgonizer, good to know. I'll know what to do if it happens again.
[01:04] <vbgunz> astromme: brb
[01:08] <junior> bump... dumb question?
[01:10] <astromme> junior: 4.1 or 4.2? In 4.2 you can drag them around
[01:10] <junior> astromme: 4.1.3
[01:11] <astromme> junior: not sure... I don't think it's in 4.1. A workaround might be to remove them all then add them in the order you want
[01:11] <vbgunz> astromme: just wanted to update you. the problem seems to be in effects
[01:12] <astromme> vbgunz: yuck =/. Good luck
[01:12] <junior> astromme: i tried to move them but it does not seem to work. i will follow your workaround suggestion. thanks
[01:12] <vbgunz> astromme: go to .kde/share/config/kwinrc under compositing, if enabled=true, desktop gets stuck. if it is false, the de starts up
[01:12] <vbgunz> no bigge, I can live without them in favor of my resolution :)
[01:12] <vbgunz> thanks astromme :)
[01:20] <andy---> How can I enable dual monitors in kde 4.2. Currently they are just mirrored. Is it possible to extend the desktop onto the second monitor?
[01:21] <gorgonizer> are you using nvidia?
[01:21] <andy---> ati
[01:21] <gorgonizer> ahh, I am not too sure then, does the ati 3d drivers come with a config tool?
[01:22] <andy---> I literally just installed kubuntu and did the upgrade to 4.2 and nothing else. Would it come with the correct 3d drivers?
[01:22] <andy---> desktop effects seem to work fine
[01:23] <gorgonizer> andy---: you can check the xorg.conf file, it should tell you the driver in there..
[01:24] <andy---> my xorg.conf seems ridiculously short
[01:24] <andy---> my device is "Configured Video Device"
[01:24] <gorgonizer> andy---: it will be :) but does it list a driver?
[01:25] <gorgonizer> if not, I am unsure, only really used nvidia on Linux..
[01:29] <astromme> andy---: what card do you have?
[01:29] <andy---> astromme, it's a 1900xtx
[01:29] <astromme> andy---: that card is supported (with 3d I think too) with the free drivers (oss software)
[01:30] <astromme> andy---: you should be able to go to System Settings -> Display and modify from there
[01:31] <andy---> I see both displays there but they are right on top of each other and I cant drag them or anything. Not really any options on that page either.
[01:33] <astromme> andy---: there is no way on the left to set a "left of" or "right of" option from the dropdowns?
[01:34] <andy---> astromme, that used to be there in kde 4.1 but it didn't have any effect. Those options are no longer there in 4.2.
[01:34] <astromme> andy---: ok, we'll do it from command line.
[01:35] <andy---> astromme, thanks
[01:35] <astromme> andy---: do an "xrandr"
[01:35] <andy---> done
[01:35] <astromme> from konsole, you should see two outputs (maybe more). List the outputs (like VGA) here
[01:35] <andy---> yup
[01:36] <andy---> paste the whole thing
[01:36] <andy---> ?
[01:36] <astromme> well, do you have an ouput like LVDS or VGA?
[01:36] <astromme> or both?
[01:36] <Gun_Smoke> Anyone know how to disable sound in Kopete?
[01:36] <Gun_Smoke> bing bing bing sucks
[01:36] <astromme> take the display that you want beside the other and do something like "xrandr --output VGA --auto --left-of LVDS" (assuming your two outputs are LVDS and VGA)
[01:37] <astromme> Gun_Smoke: if the options aren'
[01:37] <andy---> DVI-1 connected 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 518mm x
[01:37] <astromme> ..... aren't in kopete, try kde system settings -> notifications
[01:37] <astromme> andy---: ok, good, DVI-1 is one of your two. what's the other?
[01:37] <andy---> and another that's the same but DVI-0
[01:37] <astromme> cool
[01:37] <astromme> xrandr --output DVI-1 --auto --right-of DVI-0
[01:38] <astromme> andy---: see if that works
[01:38] <andy---> says screen cannot be larger than 1920x1600 desired size 3840x1200
[01:39] <astromme> andy---: ok, that's one of two things
[01:41] <astromme> andy---: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#Using_xrandr_to_do_useful_things
[01:41] <astromme> It has your error message in it
[01:42] <astromme> Basically in your xorg.conf Section "Screen" you need a SubSection "Display" with a Virtual 3840x1600 in it
[01:42] <astromme> errr... Virtual 3840 1600 (1200 should work fine too, dunno)
[01:44] <lovre> i notice that working with archives is quite slow in dolphin + ark. I click extract here, and ark runs about 20 seconds later.... any cure for this?
[01:49] <andy---> astromme, I tried all that. My screen flashed after the randr command but it's still just mirrored
[01:49] <astromme> andy---: hmm, that's odd.... try your luck in #radeon, I'm out of suggestions. Give them the xrandr command and the result
[01:50] <andy---> ok thanks for all the help
[01:50] <astromme> np, hope you get it solved
[01:53] <jammen33> !kdenlive
[02:06] <lovre> erm, i have a problem
[02:07] <gorgonizer> what is the problem?
[02:08] <lovre> im trying to run a game (UT2004), and when i start it, there is a blank screen, and a message in the midlle, saying something like it cant display the video resolution, and to set display input to 1248*1024 (or something like that)... so i cant run ut2004 or any other game unless its set to that resolution. Why cant i run a fullscreen application on lower resolutions?
[02:09] <gorgonizer> I guess that sis in Wine?  If so, I am unsure, I don't play that many games...
[02:09] <gorgonizer> though I should :)
[02:10] <lovre> gorgonizer: no, its not Wine, its linux version of game
[02:10] <lovre> gorgonizer: also with UrbanTerror, which is linux game, i cant display resolutions that are not 1280x1024. Does this have anything to do with xorg.conf file, and can anything be done to enable other resolutions?
[02:11] <gorgonizer> lovre: oh, I didn'y know there was a Linux version..
[02:11] <gorgonizer> let me install UrbanTerror..
[02:11] <lovre> gorgonizer: yes, there is ofcourse
[02:12] <lovre> gorgonizer: i dont have urban terror atm, the game im trying to run is unreal tournament 2004, but the problem is the same
[02:13] <cjae> !pendrive
[02:13] <cjae> !usbdrive
[02:13] <lovre> gorgonizer: never mind the games, it feels dumb knowing i cant run any resolutions other than my monitor native. I dont remember any issues regarding this on windows
[02:13] <gorgonizer> ahh, well I haven't played unrealTournament for years, as I am terrible at it..
[02:13] <cjae> !thumbdrive
[02:13] <gorgonizer> I have a widescreen monitor, so I am used to having it in only one resolution..
[02:13] <cjae> !persistent
[02:14] <cjae> ?
[02:14] <rushrushanna> i love the kubuntu ui...
[02:14] <rushrushanna> gotto install it now
[02:14] <rushrushanna> and see how it goes
[02:14] <cjae> is apt torrent a solution yet?
[02:14] <cjae> wow are the servers slow
[02:18] <cjae> !apttorrent
[02:22] <cjae> anyone got a successful kubuntu thumb drive install without use of usb or any other gui?
[02:35] <shreyak> hey i wanted some help updating to kde 4.2
[02:35] <BentFrank> A tooltip in my my Kubuntu taskbar repeatedly says "Newly updated software needs your system to be rebooted before it can be used" even after multiple reboots.  How can I flush that away?
[02:36] <shreyak> i wanted to know if it was necessary to update my whole system to get kde 4.2
[02:52] <szrhawaii> does anyone know what files i need to download to get kde running smoothly as a session
[02:52] <szrhawaii> or to get it as a session
[02:53] <szrhawaii> anyone know the files i need to download or a place on directions on how to install kde as a session
[03:06] <DSSA> evening all
[03:06] <noiesmo> just upgraded from gutsy to hardy and having problems getting my nvidia card working again with the nvidia driver I am currently on nv, my card is a geforce8600gt
[03:06] <BentFrank> A tooltip in my Kubuntu taskbar repeatedly says "Newly updated software needs your system to be rebooted before it can be used" even after multiple reboots.  How can I flush that away?
[03:14] <darkace> hey can anyone help me the sound is not working in amarok
[03:14] <darkace> i have kubuntu intrepid
[03:17] <Laruft> check the volume is up or not muted in kmix
[03:17] <Laruft> took me a while to work out how to set system volume too
[03:26] <aldo> hola
[03:27] <darkace> volume at 100%
[03:27] <aldo> hay alguien ahi?
[03:27] <darkace> still no sound
[03:27] <darkace> system sounds like start up or shutdown are working
[03:27] <aldo> español
[03:28] <darkace> please help in english
[03:37] <aldo> what's your problem?
[03:38] <aldo> darkace
[03:45] <blafard> hi, when i click on the knetworkmanager icon in the taskbar, the menu items are briefly (less than a second) visible and then the text disappears.  i can still see the icons but no text.
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> blafard: are you running an older nvidia card?
[03:46] <blafard> when i click on one of the menu items, it pops up whatever window it is supposed to but the same thing happens there.  No text.  This is only in knetworkmanager
[03:46] <blafard> yes i am
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> It's a problem with the graphics drivers
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> the latest beta drivers for your card in 9.04 fix this issue
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> there are some workarounds, however
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> in just a minute I can pull a workaround up
[03:47] <blafard> thank you.
[03:47] <blafard> i didn't know what was causing the problem which made it hard to google.  I couldn't find anything for that particular symptom.
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> blackflag: kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> then in Section "Screen"
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> Put: Option "RenderAccel" "False"
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> save, log out, press alt + e to restart X
[03:49] <blafard> sorry, you are talking to me, right?
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, yes
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> blackflag: sorry
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> When I was in intrepid I put it under this option:
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> Option		"AddARGBGLXVisuals"	"True"
[03:52] <binMonkey> hi.  i enabled the restricted driver for my ati 200m card and now my machine hangs at shutdown.  i've tried the alsa fix but that doesn't work.  does anyone have an idea?
[03:55] <PowerGoats> how would I disconnect from the network automatically ? sudo ifconfig eth0 down ?
[03:55] <blafard> thank you, JontheEchidna.  That seemed to resolve my problem.  I appreciate your help.
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> blackflag: You're welcome
[03:59] <blafard> ha, i'm not blackflag
[04:13] <r3db0x> anyone know why i can install the 32bit version but the 64bit wont start X....i have an amd 64bit proc
[04:36] <issac> haha
[04:37] <issac> does this support voice chat?
[04:41] <Moosquito> alguien que hable español
[04:49] <koe-kto> gde ya?
[04:49] <koe-kto> 4to eto za kanal?
[04:49] <koe-kto> ya novi4ek...
[04:49] <koe-kto> ()_o
[04:55] <DevinM> hey, can someone help me with something please? it's more trivial than anything
[04:57] <cjae> !usplash
[04:58] <cjae> !bootsplash
[04:59] <cjae> ok I want rid off the kubuntu boot screen, and I mean the one that covers all the text when you boot your machine, I have removed quiet and splash from the end of my kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:00] <cjae> do I have to tell grub to reconfigure?
[05:01] <cjae> when you try to search google, ppl have mistaken this BOOT splash with the LOGIN splash and the info pretty much points to different login screens
[05:01] <cjae> this is very annoying
[05:04]  * cjae thinks that kubuntu users are very social and are out on friday night with their irc clients on
[05:04] <szrhawaii> does anyone here have dual sessions
[05:04] <szrhawaii> except us i guess
[05:04] <cjae> szrhawaii: right
[05:04] <cjae> win and lin?
[05:05] <szrhawaii> nope kde and gnome
[05:05] <szrhawaii> i use my win in virt machine
[05:05] <cjae> not here
[05:05] <szrhawaii> I guess ill try the ubuntu channel why you in here cjae
[05:05] <szrhawaii> #ubuntu
[05:06] <cjae> just kde thats it
[05:07] <cjae> like to use my two most used guis in their native environment (k3b and ktorrent)
[05:08] <szrhawaii> guess im still banded from ubuntu channel
[05:08] <szrhawaii> i like k3b and ktorrent
[05:08] <szrhawaii> those are great programs
[05:08] <szrhawaii> I havent had a problem with them yet
[05:09] <szrhawaii> i wonder when they will expand on there kopetes list of messengers
[05:10] <cjae> great is an understatement
[05:10] <cjae> best is better
[05:10] <szrhawaii> yeah ill give that to you
[05:12] <cjae> used to not be able to run kde app in gnome, but you can now but they are still ugly... retracted haven't used gnome for awhile but they were ugly last time I did
[05:12] <cjae> kde 4.2 is very nice too
[05:13] <jammen33> i wish there was support skype in kopete
[05:13] <cjae> brb
[05:13] <szrhawaii> do they even have anything for skype
[05:13] <pisnaz> hello all
[05:14] <jammen33> there is skype for skype
[05:14] <jammen33> but not in kopete
[05:14] <szrhawaii> oh they havent invented a plugin for it yet
[05:16] <szrhawaii> is there a pidgin website or something to check out info
[05:16] <szrhawaii> or give ideas
[05:17] <jammen33> idk
[05:17] <keres> szrhawaii:
[05:17] <keres> pidgen.im
[05:17] <keres> http://www.pidgin.im/
[05:17] <szrhawaii> i just found it
[05:18] <szrhawaii> thanks
[05:21] <jammen33> kopete doesnt even have voice chat suport for msn
[05:32] <syockit> so far, what has it? aMsn?
[05:34] <cjae> !kickoff
[05:36] <cjae> can anyone tell me if you can edit kickoff favorites yet ... yes or no, I would like to add opera in there
[05:36] <jammen33> yes
[05:37] <cjae> just figured it out
[05:37] <cjae> thanks
[05:37] <cjae> much better
[05:38] <cjae> konqueror is just too incompatible with so many sites
[05:38] <jammen33> yea
[05:40] <cjae> even when you switch it to report as ff 2.0
[05:45] <syockit> ya I wonder why? I thought khtml is close to webkit
[05:45] <kannan> "Use my KDE styles in GTK application" make firefox looks ugly.. i.e tabs doesn't appear smooth.. any other theme ?
[05:45] <syockit> kannan: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html for kdefirefox
[05:45] <szrhawaii> why dont you use the firefox themes
[05:45] <szrhawaii> rather then the kde themes
[05:46] <syockit> szrhawaii: yeah, but there are still issues firefox themes won't solve
[05:46] <szrhawaii> like?
[05:46] <syockit> like widgets for example. radio buttons don't look good
[05:47] <cjae> firefox installs gnome crap on a pure kde install doesn't it?
[05:48] <syockit> cjae: not if you don't install recommends
[05:48] <syockit> cjae: the culprit is ubufox
[05:48] <syockit> cjae: if possible disable recommends when installing firefox
[05:48] <cjae> syockit: what is reccomends
[05:48] <cjae> -c
[05:48] <cjae> oh I get it
[05:49] <szrhawaii> oh i dont use those
[05:49] <syockit> In synaptics, you can disable recommends in preferences. In apt-get, you add the --no-install-recommends flag
[05:49] <szrhawaii> widgets and radio buttons are more graphical than i need i got tired of them after a while it seemed like they were taking up space
[05:50] <cjae> syockit: how from cli?
[05:50] <syockit> sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox-3.0
[05:50] <cjae> sweet
[05:52] <cjae> syockit: is that also the icecat/weseal or ape - browser?
[05:52] <syockit> I always disable recommends for many things, except system utilities I know nothing about
[05:52] <cjae> whatever they call it now
[05:53] <szrhawaii> syocit you know anything about splash screens
[05:53] <syockit> cjae: it'll come with firefox-3.0-branding, so no iceweasel stuff
[05:53] <szrhawaii> besides what they are
[05:53] <syockit> szrhawaii: for which program?
[05:53] <syockit> usplash? kdm splash?
[05:54] <cjae> syockit: I have to reboot to see if my usb ubuntu is going to work but have to quick questions ... related when I get back if thats ok
[05:54] <syockit> if you're lucky you'll still catch me here
[05:54] <cjae> k
[05:54] <szrhawaii> well i put in startupmanager and put in a new splash i know works cause i used it on another system before but for some reason when i delete the stock splash screen and replace with the new one there is no splash screen only text
[05:54] <syockit> ah, usplash then
[05:55] <szrhawaii> yep
[05:55] <szrhawaii> for some reason startupmanager doesnt work anymore on the current kde gnome
[05:55] <syockit> I forgot how to modify them usplash... last time I did was on edgy
[05:55] <szrhawaii> it helps get rid of the splash but not but a new one in
[05:55] <szrhawaii> i got usplashes i know work
[05:56] <szrhawaii> but its just making them show up at the begining
[05:58] <syockit> szrhawaii: what's your ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so
[05:58] <szrhawaii> let me check
[05:58] <syockit> szrhawaii: you can follow this guide http://jayant7k.blogspot.com/2007/06/change-boot-splash-screen-ubuntu.html
[05:59] <syockit> if you understand where usplash files are placed, that guide shouldn't be a problem
[05:59] <szrhawaii> i can find most of them
[05:59] <szrhawaii> if i do locate usplash-artwork.so
[06:03] <spooky_d> Hello
[06:03] <dr_Willis> Mello
[06:03] <cjae> syockit: worked great, anyway, I love pure kde but installed disk creator and mount manager (which I dont think I needed since the adoption of ntfs into kernel) could I have used the no recommedation with these apps as well?
[06:04] <spooky_d> I am having trouble with the 9.04 - I have upgraded from 8.04->8.10 and I am missing a few features.
[06:04] <dr_Willis> The alpha release? info on that in #ubuntu+1
[06:04] <cjae> syockit: they both have gnome stuff I believe, and with the speed of the ubuntu servers being what it is less I have to update the better as well
[06:05] <spooky_d> For network connection I had the knetworkmanager (the KDE3 network manager) running - now it doesn't start automatically and I have no 'network connector'
[06:05] <spooky_d> what should I start instead?
[06:05] <syockit> cjae: maybe not. You have to understand what your apps need to get its features to work.
[06:06]  * cjae wonders what he did different than disk creator to make it work, followed pendrive kubuntu and ubuntu persistent to a t
[06:06] <syockit> cjae: So for example, if you know firefox doesn't depend on gnome, you can remove the marking. That's why using aptitude is easier, it lets you check why softwares are installed
[06:07] <syockit> spooky_d: can run knetworkmanager from command line?
[06:07] <syockit> spooky_d: my knetworkmanager also stops starting automatically
[06:07] <cjae> syockit: thought ubuntu developers are insisting on apt since they are going to "tweak" optimize for it
[06:08] <syockit> syockit: you gonna be needing GUI for easier work. if apt, then synaptic
[06:08] <spooky_d> syockit: I thought that there was a replacement for knetworkmanager I wasn't aware of.
[06:08] <dr_Willis> I rember some alternatve to network manager.. but never needed it
[06:08] <syockit> syockit: seems to be. I wasn't informed of anything at all
[06:08] <dr_Willis> wicd ?
[06:08] <dr_Willis> !info wicd
[06:09]  * dr_Willis is getting old and senile
[06:09] <szrhawaii_> there are a few of them in your package manager
[06:09] <syockit> dr_Willis: do you know why knetworkmanager is stopping to start automatically?
[06:09] <dr_Willis> Stopping to start ?
[06:09] <dr_Willis> Failing to start up at login you mean?
[06:10] <syockit> dr_Willis: err, the language is difficult here
[06:10] <syockit> yeah
[06:10] <szrhawaii_> if you go to edit connections then wireless it does automatically refresh
[06:10] <spooky_d> yes, it's no longer starting automatically, even if in the previous session I had it running
[06:10] <syockit> same here
[06:10] <szrhawaii_> Mine worked a minute ago
[06:10] <dr_Willis> never had any problems with it. so ive never dug into network manager. sorry.
[06:10] <bdizzle> hi
[06:10] <syockit> I think that started a week ago
[06:10] <szrhawaii_> but i went to the access point and refreshed it
[06:10] <syockit> dr_Willis: have you restarted your computer?
[06:10] <bdizzle> could someone help me get the mplayer plugin to work with firefox? I can't get it to ever work
[06:10] <szrhawaii_> then came back and all good
[06:11] <szrhawaii_> bdizzle is it not playing externally
[06:11] <szrhawaii_> or internally
[06:11] <bdizzle> internal to the site
[06:11] <szrhawaii_> so your on a site and no video is streaming
[06:11] <bdizzle> yes
[06:12] <szrhawaii_> did you just install this os
[06:12] <bdizzle> no
[06:12] <bdizzle> it will load mplayer on it, but then no video or sound will show
[06:12] <szrhawaii_> so its connecting but then nothing
[06:12] <bdizzle> yes
[06:13] <spooky_d> what are the packages marked with 'p' by aptitude?
[06:13] <ricardo_> hi
[06:13] <spooky_d> when I do an aptitude search?
[06:13] <spooky_d> Hi, ricardo_
[06:13] <cjae> syockit: thanks for the heads up
[06:14] <ricardo_> i was just posting ideas on brainstorm
[06:14] <ricardo_> vote
[06:14] <ricardo_> if u like
[06:15] <szrhawaii_> bdizzle have you played with the settings yet in edit>prefrences>applications
[06:15] <bdizzle> not sure, let me try
[06:16] <ricardo_> new in ubuntu?
[06:16] <bdizzle> no sadly
[06:16] <ricardo_> why sadly
[06:16] <bdizzle> just usually used flash to view videos
[06:16] <ricardo_> ?
[06:16] <bdizzle> because I've been using it for nearly a year, this should be something easy to get working
[06:17] <szrhawaii_> you might need to change the actions
[06:17] <ricardo_> try gnash
[06:17] <ricardo_> or flashplayer 10 package
[06:17] <szrhawaii_> or freeflashplugin
[06:17] <bdizzle> hold on
[06:17] <ricardo_> that too
[06:18] <ricardo_> freeflashplugin is at ubuntu sources
[06:18] <bdizzle> I can't even figure out what kind of file it is that it is trying to play
[06:18] <ricardo_> open it with firefox
[06:18] <bdizzle> I am opening it in firefox
[06:18] <szrhawaii_> my bad its spelled flashplugin-nonfree
[06:18] <bdizzle> yeah, i've got that installed
[06:19] <bdizzle> its an .avi file its trying to play
[06:19] <ricardo_> that chages the story
[06:19] <szrhawaii_> do you have the swdecplugin
[06:19] <bdizzle> let me check
[06:19] <ricardo_> totem doesnt open .avi?
[06:19] <szrhawaii_> that should play easily with your mplayer
[06:19] <szrhawaii_> mplayer does
[06:19] <dr_Willis> or vlc.
[06:19] <zaapiel> on a default kubuntu install is ssh turned on?
[06:19] <dr_Willis> its all about the codecs  some times.
[06:19] <szrhawaii_> even kaffiene does
[06:19] <dr_Willis> zaapiel,  no.
[06:19] <ricardo_> yeah mplayer opens even betamax movies
[06:20] <bdizzle> yeah, I've got mplayer, vlc and kaffeine installed
[06:20] <zaapiel> damn
[06:20] <bdizzle> the problem is that firefox wants to open mplayer to view embedded videos
[06:20] <ricardo_> most of the time yes
[06:20] <bdizzle> zaapiel: it should be
[06:20] <dr_Willis> theres several mplayer-and other 'plugins' for firefox you could try
[06:20] <ricardo_> who uses kde4.2 ?
[06:20] <bdizzle> just open terminal or konsole and ssh -X (whatever)
[06:20] <bdizzle> ricardo_: I do on my desktop, which is about 45 minutes away from me right now
[06:21] <spooky_d> one more problem: during boot, my screen is black - and there's no progress indication whatsoever
[06:21] <ricardo_> usplash bug?
[06:21] <tekteen> Can someone help me with my bash script? I am trying to create an array from a file with each element being a line of the file. http://pastebin.com/m1db49fa. The output it appended to the end of the script.
[06:21] <ricardo_> i have no idea...
[06:21] <dr_Willis>  the ssh SERVER is not installed by default. :)
[06:21] <ricardo_> did you try installing another usplash?
[06:21] <bdizzle> szrhawaii_: I don't see the swdec even in adept
[06:22] <ricardo_> spooky
[06:22] <spooky_d> ricardo_: I will try now.
[06:23] <spooky_d> I have it, and I have kubuntu-artwork-usplash installed as well
[06:23] <ricardo_> try if the issue persist
[06:23] <szrhawaii__> 22:21] <szrhawaii_> my .avi files use Mozplugger 1.10.2
[06:23] <szrhawaii__> [22:22] <szrhawaii_> do you have that plugin thats a plugin to allow firefox to use external players
[06:23] <szrhawaii__> [22:22] <szrhawaii_> that should link your mplayer to firefox if you dont have it
[06:23] <szrhawaii__> [22:22] <szrhawaii_> i have mplayer only on my comp so i know mplayer works
[06:23] <zaapiel> no i think its turned off by default
[06:24] <ricardo_> have u tried kde 4.2?
[06:24] <spooky_d> could be a problem the fact that my xres=1920, yres=1200 in my usplash.conf?
[06:24] <spooky_d> perhaps the mode couldn't be initialized
[06:25] <ricardo_> yes it could, you can change usplash resolution in startup manager
[06:25] <spooky_d> ricardo_: I am with the kubuntu 9.04 - upgraded from 8.04->8.10
[06:25] <ricardo_> 9.04 dev version?
[06:25] <spooky_d> yes
[06:26] <blafard> i am trying to install a wireless card using ndiswrapper.  It is a Belkin F5D6001, and I read that I should get the net8180 driver and then force ndiswrapper to use that driver with my device.  After doing this, i get nothing from iwlist wlan0 scan.
[06:26] <ricardo_> you should report that bug
[06:26] <szrhawaii> how is that is the desktop enviornment completely different spooky_d
[06:26] <ricardo_> i am using kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2
[06:26] <spooky_d> szrhawaii: I do not undestand the question :)
[06:27] <ricardo_> i've posted bespin to be the default theme instead of oxygen for kubuntu
[06:27] <szrhawaii> is the enviornment different then 8.10
[06:27] <szrhawaii> the look and feel
[06:27] <ricardo_> try it out spooky
[06:27] <spooky_d> szrhawaii: can't remember, I made the switch some time ago.
[06:27] <szrhawaii> you got a screenshot
[06:27] <spooky_d> I didn't like it too much, 8.10, but I can't remember why.
[06:28] <ricardo_> spooky_d: out bespin
[06:28] <spooky_d> szrhawaii: no, not really fancy my desktop.
[06:28] <spooky_d> ricardo_: what's bespin? how do I set this theme?
[06:28] <Retj> spooky_d: bespin is the oiptional theme for kubuntu
[06:29] <Retj> its the ''murrine'' of kde
[06:29] <Retj> you can install it from adept manager
[06:29] <gmathews> Hi, when I was copying something from a dVD to my HDD in kubuntu, the data could not be read so it failed. However, there is still a copy window that does not go away
[06:29] <dr_Willis> Too many themes! too many choices! i have to think! egads.. :) i want windowsz back...
[06:29] <gmathews> how can i kill it
[06:29] <dr_Willis> or not.
[06:29] <spooky_d> Installing now :)
[06:30] <Retj> gmathews: Alt+F2 xkill + click on the window
[06:30] <szrhawaii> xkill gmathews
[06:30] <Retj> spooky_d i've posted a brainstorm idea
[06:30] <Retj> spooky_d: to use it as default
[06:31] <gmathews> jeez now my whole screen has gone black WTF
[06:31] <dr_Willis> be CAREFULL when using xkill
[06:31] <dr_Willis>  Never mind....
[06:31] <dr_Willis> :)
[06:31] <gmathews> who the hell codes these tgins
[06:31] <gmathews> things
[06:31] <Retj> gmathews
[06:31] <dr_Willis> xkill = been around for 15+years
[06:31] <Retj> gmathews ctrl+alt backspace
[06:31] <spooky_d> oh
[06:31] <Retj> Oops
[06:31] <dr_Willis> Proberly it killed the parent process of the copy program also.. which was controling the rest of kde...
[06:32] <dr_Willis> :)
[06:32] <spooky_d> :D
[06:32] <dr_Willis> BSOD!
[06:32] <Retj> yeah i know
[06:32] <Retj> so spooky_d
[06:32] <cjae> syockit: ok firefox is win 98 ugly is that why it wanted to install all that other stuff?
[06:32] <Retj> tell me
[06:32] <szrhawaii> yeah watch where your aiming that x
[06:32] <cjae> syockit: actually wine ugly
[06:32] <dr_Willis> I thoght it was a little Skull and Crossbones.
[06:32] <dr_Willis> but ive not used it in ages
[06:33] <spooky_d> Retj: it lacks only one thing... color
[06:33] <szrhawaii> it changes to the cursor
[06:33] <Retj> you can change that spooky_d
[06:33] <szrhawaii> but its a bold x now
[06:33] <gmathews> never knew you had to restart stuff in linux
[06:33] <syockit> cjae: hmm looks pretty fine here. you've followed : http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html for kdefirefox?
[06:33] <Retj> spooky_d look for bespin - blue, on kde-look.org
[06:33] <Retj> you're gonna love it
[06:33] <spooky_d> I am looking right now ;))
[06:33] <Retj> there's one that im using
[06:34] <Retj> its called, low metal
[06:34] <Retj> its better than leopard look
[06:34] <szrhawaii> only now days you have to
[06:34] <gmathews> i think kde is overrated
[06:34] <cjae> syockit: no I just entered the cli command you gave me
[06:34]  * dr_Willis thinks computers are overrated
[06:34] <gmathews> been seeing a lot of bugs
[06:34] <cjae> will check
[06:34] <spooky_d> hmmm
[06:34] <szrhawaii> i liked 3.5 better
[06:34] <spooky_d> this is wrong.
[06:34] <Retj> what is wrong
[06:34] <dr_Willis> 'progress' comes in leaps and bounds at times.
[06:35] <spooky_d> I only have 2 schemes when I search for blue on kde-look.org
[06:35] <Retj> yeah kde4 is too buggy
[06:35] <Retj> spooky_d bespin is really young, try bespin blue, anyway you can configure it on settings dialog
[06:35] <Retj> those are only ''presets''
[06:36] <spooky_d> I know.
[06:36] <Retj> how can i send u and screenshot?
[06:37] <spooky_d> sure
[06:39] <szrhawaii_> why is the internet thing going on and off
[06:40] <syockit> cjae: do check out the link
[06:41] <syockit> Retj: so the best bespin for now is blue?
[06:41] <cjae> syockit: ya I am but more gnome crap but oh well I guess?
[06:42] <Retj> done
[06:42] <Retj> u there?
[06:43] <spooky_d> somehow, the color scheme does not apply to konsole
[06:43] <Retj> there is an option
[06:43] <Retj> in kwin
[06:43] <syockit> cjae: it shouldn't install gnome if I'm not mistaken
[06:43] <Retj> this is the thing
[06:43] <spooky_d> what option?
[06:44] <Retj> qt4 native apps has different decorations
[06:44] <Retj> did u notice?
[06:44] <Retj> check out the screenshot
[06:44] <Retj> see the difference
[06:44] <cjae> gtk qt engine and gtk2-engines-qtcurve syockit
[06:45] <Retj> cjae what?
[06:45] <spooky_d> it does look different, indeed.
[06:45] <Retj> that's what i love from this theme
[06:45] <cjae> Retj: ?
[06:45] <syockit> cjae: that's no gnome
[06:46] <spooky_d> wait a second, I'll be back
[06:46] <Retj> cjae i dont know what you're talking about :P
[06:46] <cjae> :P
[06:46] <syockit> cjae: firefox runs on gtk anyway, so telling gtk to use qt engine isn't going to make stuff heavier
[06:47] <cjae> syockit: yes but thats what the link says to install extra
[06:47] <cjae> or are you saying its already installed
[06:48] <syockit> cjae: only qtcurve is not installed by default I suppose.
[06:49] <Retj> bespin is not wither
[06:49] <Retj> either*
[06:49] <Retj> syockit
[06:49] <syockit> cjae: try sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[06:49] <syockit> Retj: got 2 packages here, kwin and kde. which one?
[06:49] <Retj> none
[06:49] <Retj> syockit what do you want to install?
[06:50] <blafard> sorry to repeat myself...i am trying to install a wireless card using ndiswrapper.  It is a Belkin F5D6001, and I read that I should get the net8180 driver and then force ndiswrapper to use that driver with my device.  After doing this, i get nothing from iwlist wlan0 scan.
[06:51] <Retj> i dont know about hat blafard
[06:51] <Retj>  syockit what do you want to install<?
[06:52] <syockit> Retj: got bespin style installed
[06:52] <syockit> Retj: kinda pretty
[06:52] <Retj> i've posted a brainstorm idea
[06:52] <Retj> to use it as dafault
[06:52] <Retj> instad of oxygen
[06:53] <spooky_d> doesn't work for me, retj
[06:53] <Retj> what doesnt
[06:53] <Retj> spooky_d
[06:53] <spooky_d> after reboot, my color scheme didn't seem to apply at all
[06:53] <spooky_d> and the firefox tabs looked incredibly scary
[06:53] <Retj> there is an option
[06:54] <Retj> in kwin decoration
[06:54] <Retj> says: ignore bespin style colors
[06:56] <spooky_d> yes, but that applies only to the title bar.
[06:56] <spooky_d> not to the tabs
[06:56] <spooky_d> in konsole/other things.
[06:57] <Retj> no spooky_d on system settings -> apparance -> windows
[06:57] <cjae> syockit: ok still ugly, changed about config to false and install oxygen theme
[06:57] <cjae> syockit: and picked KMenu->System Settings->Appearance->GTK Styles and Fonts
[06:58] <spooky_d> yes, but what do I do about the tabs?
[06:58] <cjae> but there was no qt curve just qt
[06:58] <spooky_d> they look incredibly grim, because of the color.
[06:58] <Retj> spooky_d try bespin config dialog, at konsole type bespin
[06:59] <spooky_d> yes, I have tried it, now it applied the color.
[06:59] <spooky_d> but wait a second.
[06:59] <Retj> nothing is perfect lol
[06:59] <spooky_d> let's see what happens after I log out and log in again.
[07:01] <galvanize> Hi all
[07:01] <Retj> hi galvanize
[07:02] <galvanize> I'm a Ubuntu user and I gave Kubuntu a try recently and I found that it was a bit more buggier and ran slower than Ubuntu. Anyone else find this?
[07:02] <zaapiel> i updated to kde 4.2 and now my keyboard wont work
[07:02] <spooky_d> yup, it worked.
[07:02] <zaapiel> everything was working fine right before
[07:02] <spooky_d> galvanize: what exactly runs slower?
[07:02] <Retj> galvanize desktop effects kwin seem to be kind of slow on my pc
[07:02] <Retj> i dont know if that is what you mean
[07:03] <galvanize> spooky_d: opening of applications and sometimes the graphics would become a little screwy
[07:03] <Retj> galvanize again i think its kwin
[07:03] <spooky_d> might be because of desktop effects.
[07:03] <Retj> do you use nvidia?
[07:03] <Retj> galvanize
[07:03] <galvanize> I had it set to none.
[07:04] <Retj> still slow?
[07:04] <galvanize> Retj: what is kwin?
[07:04] <Retj> galvanize kwin is kde window manager, tends to run kind of slow on nvidia's machines
[07:04] <Retj> when desktop effects are on
[07:05] <galvanize> ah ok. I am running an nvidia laptop.
[07:05] <galvanize> Also would you say Kubuntu is one of the better KDEs?
[07:06] <Retj> galvanize actually yes
[07:06] <Retj> galvanize but... still needs some work
[07:06] <spooky_d> however, nothing beats KDE from SVN compiled by hand :D
[07:06] <Retj> galvanize im impressed by plasma's versatility
[07:06] <galvanize> oh ok. I have also triend OpenSUSE and I much preferred Kubuntu.
[07:06] <Retj> me 2
[07:06] <Retj> i hated opensuse
[07:06] <galvanize> Most probably because I am an original Ubuntu user.
[07:07] <Retj> i have my very own reasons
[07:07] <Retj> opensuse has an excellent artwork
[07:07] <galvanize> What were some of them?
[07:07] <galvanize> Yes I did like the artwork and color scheme.
[07:07] <Retj> but Yast is too complicated in some aspects
[07:07] <Retj> for example
[07:07] <galvanize> That is what I felt too. Somewhat confusing at times.
[07:08] <Retj> installing X package
[07:08] <Retj> yast tells you '' package a needs b and c to sintall'' ''OK''
[07:08] <Retj> nothing more
[07:08] <galvanize> hmm true
[07:08] <Retj> you see how you will install those dependencies
[07:09] <Retj> i was shocked
[07:09] <galvanize> ha
[07:10] <Retj> example 2, opensuse 11.1 still uses  KDE 4.0 mixed up with 4.2 and 4.2 features
[07:10] <Retj> 4.1
[07:10] <Retj> **
[07:10] <galvanize> oh right I wasn't aware of that.
[07:10] <Retj> Kubuntu has a LOT of potential
[07:11] <Retj> but i think that canonical doesnt pay too much attention to it
[07:11] <binskipy2u> anyone leave mint to go to Kubuntu?
[07:11] <Retj> i have examples for that too
[07:11] <galvanize> I think it does. I wish they would spend some more energy in Kubuntu now.
[07:12] <Retj> i cant believe that being 8.10 version kubuntu has no original artwork
[07:13] <syockit> hmm after installing bespin, I feel like the visual's faster
[07:14] <syockit> that'd be good for my psychology
[07:14] <Retj> i felt that too
[07:14] <Retj> i guess i was nuts
[07:14] <Retj> collective histeria?
[07:15] <syockit> yup. Now I should push that for default. what's the brainstorm link again>
[07:15] <Retj> i dont know if they aproved it
[07:15] <Retj> its on idea sandbox
[07:15] <Retj> brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <syockit> I see. Gonna have to wait then...
[07:18] <zaapiel> my x11 is messed up but im not connected to my network
[07:19] <zaapiel> how can i connect with iwconfig?
[07:19] <zaapiel> im using wep
[07:19] <syockit> Retj: too bad your link doesn't really show it in action. have to use it to actually see it
[07:19] <Retj> i've posted a link to kde look
[07:19] <Retj> read the description
[07:20] <syockit> Retj: no, there're only screenshots there
[07:20] <Retj> uhmm what did you expect? feel free to collaborate
[07:20] <Retj> and post a solution with example
[07:21] <syockit> dunno if posting on youtube would be an overkill
[07:21] <Retj> you can try, make a video and ill poste it
[07:21] <Retj> im using ''lwo metal
[07:22] <Retj> ''low metal'' preset
[07:22] <Retj> strongly recommend it
[07:22] <GSF1200S> ok, anyone here know anything about hdmi and dvi output?
[07:23] <GSF1200S> im fucking confused
[07:23] <Retj> GSF1200S i dont
[07:23] <GSF1200S> how can a 98ooGTX have an hdmi output, yet the newer 295gtx, etc have only dvi
[07:23] <GSF1200S> and is dvi adapted to hdmi capable of 1080p
[07:24] <GSF1200S> Retj: yeah, ive had a hard time getting answers for this
[07:24] <Retj> GSF1200S you should try earlier
[07:24] <Retj> or later
[07:25] <Retj> as u like to see it
[07:25] <GSF1200S> problem is.. I would just dual SLI 2 9800 GTXs, but SLI sucks on linux due to poor drivers
[07:25] <GSF1200S> so 1 295gtx would outperform 2 9800's
[07:25] <GSF1200S> yeah, ill do that..
[07:26] <GSF1200S> ive been trying to ask around, haha
[07:26] <Retj> GSF1200S this is what i just read ''problem is.. I would just dual (!/")/&·"=")=(&/$"/()&·)(/&)''
[07:26] <Retj> ..linux drivers''
[07:26] <GSF1200S> hahaha
[07:26] <syockit> what's taht
[07:26] <GSF1200S> i know, i would have read the same yesterday...
[07:27] <Retj> hahaha
[07:27] <Retj> well
[07:28] <Retj> hardware issues are very common
[07:28] <Retj> did u try google your issue?
[07:28] <GSF1200S> its not an issue.. im trying to figure out if DVI converted to HDMI via adapter is capable of running 1080p
[07:29] <Retj> well did you try googel whatever it is that you said up there?
[07:29] <GSF1200S> if it is, than im getting a nvidia 295GTX for a vid card, and adapting to hdmi to the monitors
[07:29] <GSF1200S> if not, then I buy 2 9800GTX's
[07:29] <GSF1200S> yeah
[07:29] <GSF1200S> hehe
[07:30] <GSF1200S> ive been loosing my mind.. doesnt usually take me so long to figure stuff out
[07:30] <Retj> my knowledge is about ubuntu
[07:30] <Retj> lol
[07:30] <GSF1200S> haha, same here
[07:30] <Retj> and how to use it
[07:30] <GSF1200S> i dont know shit about hardware
[07:30] <Retj> same here
[07:30] <lolipop> Hello, may i know how can i reinstall my kde ?
[07:30] <Retj> linux has the biggest database in hardware
[07:31] <GSF1200S> agreed
[07:31] <Retj> lolipop hi lolipop
[07:31] <Retj> why reinstalling it?
[07:31] <GSF1200S> yeah, why?
[07:32] <lolipop> Retj: because i had upgrade my kde from 4.1 to 4.2, and it cant start the kde now
[07:32] <Retj> do you have gnome installed?
[07:32] <syockit> Retj: that's why it beats most windows installation from scratch
[07:32] <lolipop> Retj: yeap, i just installed gnome and using it now
[07:32] <Retj> log in to gnome
[07:32] <syockit> lolipop: looks like you have to force downgrade
[07:33] <Retj> and... there is no fast-all-in-one method to uninstall kde
[07:33] <syockit> lolipop: what are you on now?
[07:33] <Retj> but i can tell you some tips
[07:33] <lolipop> i'm on gnome now
[07:33] <lolipop> is that compulsory to install mysql server for kde 4.2?
[07:33] <Retj> yes becouse of akonadi
[07:34] <syockit> damned akonadi
[07:34] <Retj> amarok 2 uses mysql as well
[07:34] <lolipop> but how if i have my own compiled mysql running?
[07:34] <syockit> damned amarok2
[07:34] <syockit> you can run 2 servers at once
[07:34] <Retj> i dont know, check system settings
[07:35] <Retj> so diu want the tips to uninstall kde or not
[07:35] <lolipop> i dun wish to run 2 servers at once
[07:35] <lolipop> Retj : yeah, please
[07:35] <syockit> yeah, that'd be resource waste
[07:35] <Retj> start by uninstalling kdelibs
[07:35] <lolipop> syockit : yeap
[07:36] <Retj> they will uninstall aaaaaaaaaaaall apps taht depends on them
[07:36] <Retj> than uninstall whats left
[07:36] <Retj> libplasma3 and all that stuff
[07:36] <syockit> how do you know what's left?
[07:36] <Retj> simple:
[07:36] <Retj> check aout autoremovable packages in synaptic
[07:36] <Andrew``> Hi all... I have just been given a 22" monitor .... I connected it up.. but the taskbar doesnt go all the way across... tried to drag it to no avail.. anyone help me?
[07:37] <lolipop> Retj: then how can i reinstall my kde4?
[07:37] <Retj> are you reading?
[07:37] <Retj> lolipop?
[07:37] <syockit> Andrew``: what happened?
[07:37] <lolipop> yes
[07:37] <Retj> lolipop start by uninstalling kdelibs and libplasma3
[07:37] <syockit> Andrew``: only taskbar?
[07:37] <lolipop> okay
[07:37] <Andrew``> syockit, yes just the taskbar
[07:38] <Retj> lolipop then uninstal autoremovable packages in synaptic
[07:38] <syockit> Andrew``: have you unlocked it?
[07:38] <lolipop> okay
[07:38] <Retj> then deactivate kubuntu devel sources
[07:38] <Andrew``> syockit,  its not locked
[07:38] <Andrew``> at least I dont see anywhwere it isnt
[07:39] <syockit> Andrew``: so when you click on the cashew, does the resizing slider show up?
[07:39] <Retj> only then you'll be able tu install kubuntu-desktop meta package with 4.1 version
[07:39] <lolipop> deactivate kubuntu devel sources means?
[07:39] <Andrew``> ahh thanks syockit  :)
[07:40] <Andrew``> I never noticed that before
[07:40] <Andrew``> so that why I asked
[07:40] <syockit> Andrew``: you can set minimum and maximum. never liked short taskbars tho
[07:40] <Retj> uhm it'll be system: administration: software sources
[07:40] <thor> hi
[07:41] <thor> i have a problem with kde 4.2
[07:41] <Retj> share thor
[07:41] <thor> i dont have title bars on the applications
[07:41] <Retj> are you using compiz?
[07:41] <lolipop> okay Retj, i'm trying it now
[07:41] <thor> no
[07:41] <lolipop> thank you
[07:41] <Retj> youre welcome lolipop
[07:42] <Retj> lolipop i think that kde4.2 repo is  kubuntu-experimental
[07:42] <thor> i cant even to move the window with my mouse or to resize windows
[07:42] <Retj> that is the one that you have to deactivate
[07:42] <Retj> ok thor
[07:42] <Retj> open system settings
[07:43] <Retj> are u using desktop effects?
[07:43] <thor> no
[07:43] <Retj> systemsettings/apparance window decoration
[07:43] <Retj> are you using oxygen?
[07:43] <thor> oxygen, yes
[07:43] <Retj> try selecting another deco
[07:44] <syockit> Retj: is intrepid 4.2 oxygen broken?
[07:44] <lolipop> Retj, i'm on the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop now
[07:44] <Retj> lolipop
[07:44] <Retj> did you DEACTIVATE KDE 4.2 REPO?
[07:45] <Retj> syokit, AFAIK no it is not
[07:45] <Retj> IM using 4.2 riight now
[07:45] <lolipop> Retj, yeap, i have comment it on /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:45] <lolipop> commented*
[07:46] <Retj> if u did it incorrectly it'll install 4,2 again
[07:46] <thor> retj: i changed but still the same problem
[07:46] <Retj> your pc supports desktop effects?
[07:46] <lolipop> Retj, thank you bro
[07:46] <Retj> thor?
[07:46] <Retj> you're wellcome lolipop
[07:46] <thor> ys
[07:46] <thor> yes
[07:46] <Retj> try enabling them thor
[07:47] <piolinjazz> speak spanish
[07:48] <Retj> hola piolin
[07:48] <Retj> piolinjazz
[07:48] <piolinjazz> holas
[07:48] <piolinjazz> komo estamos
[07:48] <Retj> cn sueño
[07:48] <Retj> ^^
[07:48] <piolinjazz> asi bastente
[07:48] <piolinjazz> de donde ers
[07:48] <Retj> necesitas ayuda en algo?
[07:49] <Retj> caracas
[07:49] <piolinjazz> no la verdad es k no mira estoy en mitravajo y estoy solo
[07:49] <piolinjazz> asi k me decidi a komversar kon algien
[07:49] <Retj> en konversation
[07:49] <Retj> jaja
[07:49] <piolinjazz> aa de caracas venezuela
[07:49] <syockit> omg. Since, I'm seeing this often on #kubuntu, I suppose I should learn it
[07:49] <piolinjazz> jajaj
[07:50] <Retj> syockit seeing what?
[07:50] <piolinjazz> so what
[07:50] <syockit> spanish
[07:50] <Retj> lol
[07:50] <piolinjazz> yes
[07:50] <piolinjazz> tukala xakala
[07:50] <Retj> its very common but english is more universal
[07:50] <syockit> I know only "hola" "vamos ninas vamos" "yo soy asi"
[07:50] <piolinjazz> yapos
[07:50] <Retj> hahahaha
[07:50] <piolinjazz> en spanis
[07:50] <Retj> need some practice
[07:51] <piolinjazz> y k hacen men
[07:51] <Retj> creo q soy el unico q habla español
[07:51] <piolinjazz> asi parece
[07:51] <piolinjazz> no ami me cuesta bastante en ingles
[07:51] <syockit> i forgot the lyrics for a certain song
[07:51] <Retj> which song
[07:51] <piolinjazz> de heco me e puesto a estudiarlo pero me cuesta
[07:51] <Retj> por que te cuesta?
[07:51] <syockit> "sedi se dena, muchas cosas" or something
[07:51] <Retj> la mejor manera de aprender a hablar
[07:52] <Retj> es hablando
[07:52] <piolinjazz> ssp
[07:52] <piolinjazz> aaeso es
[07:52] <Retj> hahaha syockit i dont know
[07:52] <Retj> escucha musica en ingles
[07:52] <piolinjazz> wow yes
[07:52] <Retj> eso ayuda
[07:52] <piolinjazz> si pero pasa k escuho bstante jazz
[07:52] <piolinjazz> me entiendes
[07:52] <Retj> pero el jazz es mas instrumental
[07:52] <piolinjazz> soy jazzista y esoes lok mas escucho
[07:53] <piolinjazz> sip
[07:53] <Retj> todo buen musico escucha de todo
[07:53] <Retj> hasta tambores
[07:53] <piolinjazz> ssip
[07:53] <piolinjazz> pero la verdad e k siempre me dediko a escuchar jazz
[07:53] <Retj> passion is passion
[07:53] <piolinjazz> de echo = pertenesco a un grupo de salsa
[07:54] <piolinjazz> sip la musika latina es la mejor
[07:54] <Retj> ahh tengo 4 pies izquierdos para bailar salsa
[07:54] <piolinjazz> aa k bien
[07:54] <piolinjazz> no yo solo la toko
[07:54] <Retj> ehh no
[07:54] <Retj> no es bien no se ni bailar el ojo
[07:54] <piolinjazz> aa
[07:54] <piolinjazz> k es el ojo
[07:54] <piolinjazz> traduce
[07:55] <Retj> olvidalo x-3
[07:55] <piolinjazz> ojo pollo
[07:55] <syockit> ah, it was "se dice de mi"
[07:55] <Retj> hahahahaha
[07:55] <piolinjazz> es eso
[07:55] <Retj> u wherent close
[07:55] <Retj> at all
[07:57] <Retj> Oo anyone
[07:57] <piolinjazz> mmm
[07:57] <piolinjazz> ??????
[07:57] <Retj> usas kde?
[07:57] <Mamarok> Retj, piolinjazz could we plesae keep this English? There certainly is a lnaguage channel for your language out there
[07:57] <Mamarok> *please
[07:58] <Retj> he doesnt speak english AFAIK
[07:58] <Mamarok> !es
[07:58] <Mamarok> Retj: well, there is #ubuntu-es
[07:58] <Retj> tell that to him not me
[07:58] <Mamarok> and #kubuntu-es
[07:58] <Retj> leiste piolinjazz
[07:58] <Retj> ?
[07:58] <Mamarok> Retj: you tell him, I don't speak Sanish well enough :)
[07:59] <Mamarok> *Spanish
[07:59] <Retj> hes not talking anything too important
[07:59] <Retj> anyway
[07:59] <piolinjazz> ok thank you byebye
[07:59] <Mamarok> still, this is an English speaking channel, so please respect that
[07:59] <Retj> need any help mamarok?
[08:00] <Mamarok> Retj: don't think so, no, thanks anyway :)
[08:00] <Retj> kay
[08:00] <syockit> retj: ah I found one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfBW66KSSVQ
[08:00] <Retj> 	tabas piche de jo
[08:00] <Retj> man syockit
[08:00] <Retj> this is 09 right ? lol
[08:01] <Retj> where did you un-buried this vid
[08:01] <Retj> omg
[08:02] <Retj> i can see dinosaurs behind that girl
[08:03] <syockit> lolol
[08:04] <Retj> anyone there?
[08:04] <Retj> im kinda bored here
[08:05] <Retj> someone ready to throw his/her pc out the window
[08:05] <Retj> no body?
[08:05] <RurouniJones> This is a help channel
[08:05] <Retj> *sigh*
[08:05] <RurouniJones> If you need help ask the question
[08:05] <Retj> well im here to help
[08:06] <RurouniJones> If no one is asking for help this is a quiet channel
[08:06] <RurouniJones> #kubuntu-offtopic for chat
[08:06] <RurouniJones> Although that is pretty quiet as well at the moment
[08:06] <Retj> more quiet than this and it'll be a tumb
[08:07] <RurouniJones> Well it IS sleepy-time in the US
[08:07] <syockit> ah, there's kubuntu-offtopic?
[08:07] <RurouniJones> No wait, I am thinking of Europe
[08:07] <Retj> yeah syockit i thought exactly the same thing **WTF??**
[08:08] <Retj> i think i've helped two guys so far
[08:08] <Retj> if i didnt make it worse lol
[08:12] <TTxT> anybody know a repository with qt 4.5?
[08:12] <Retj> hi
[08:13] <TTxT> hi
[08:13] <Retj> uhmm no, you mean like devel version?
[08:14] <TTxT> it is stable, if thats what u mean
[08:15] <Retj> its beta as far as i know
[08:15] <Retj> http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/qt-4.5-tech-preview-released
[08:15] <Retj> you can download 4.5 preview from that page
[08:17] <TTxT> sorry about that.... I dont know why I thought 4.5 was a stable version
[08:17] <TTxT> :|
[08:17] <Retj> lol, dont worry
[08:18] <TTxT> one question
[08:18] <Retj> sure
[08:18] <Retj> one answer
[08:19] <TTxT> when I open qt designer, the menus  are there but I cannot see any word
[08:20] <TTxT> I dont know if I made myself clear
[08:20] <Retj> uhmm yes
[08:20] <Retj> might be a problem with widget color?
[08:20] <Retj> and fonts?
[08:20] <TTxT> I think I have the default ones...
[08:20] <Retj> or.. that the fonts that qt designer is using are not installed on your system
[08:21] <TTxT> That would be a strange think because qt assistant is ok
[08:21] <TTxT> do u know what r those fonts?
[08:22] <Retj> honestly no
[08:22] <Retj> should be kde's default arial
[08:22] <Retj> but im just guessing
[08:23] <TTxT> I using ubuntu
[08:23] <TTxT> maybe thats a problem
[08:23] <TTxT> dont know
[08:23] <Retj> it shouldnt
[08:23] <TTxT> yeah
[08:23] <Retj> when you install a kde app in ubuntu, it comes with kde libraries
[08:24] <Retj> so i dont think it is that
[08:24] <Retj> i know
[08:24] <Retj> try running it as root
[08:25] <TTxT> let me see
[08:25] <Retj> im not covering your eyes
[08:26] <TTxT> its the same
[08:26] <Retj> are you using gtk-qt engine?
[08:27] <TTxT> dont know...
[08:27] <TTxT> let me sse
[08:28] <Retj> i told u im not covering  your eyes
[08:29] <v3trae> evening guys.
[08:29] <Retj> evening
[08:29] <Retj> im leaving
[08:29] <TTxT> Retj: not installed
[08:29] <Retj> any help b4 i go?
[08:30] <Retj> try installing it TTxT
[08:30] <TTxT> Retj: ok, thanks
[08:30] <Retj> v3trae may i help u?
[08:30] <v3trae> Retj: nah just hanging out in here
[08:30] <Retj> kwl
[08:30] <Retj> see you guy around
[08:30] <TTxT> bye
[08:32] <amogorkon> hello
[08:32] <amogorkon> i have a question
[08:33] <v3trae> !hi | amogorkon
[08:33] <amogorkon> i upgraded from 3.5 to 4.1 and now i'm on 4.2
[08:33] <amogorkon> i noticed artsd still running in the background and wanted to get rid of it
[08:34] <v3trae> amogorkon: sudo killall artad?
[08:34] <amogorkon> as it's listed as removed dependency
[08:34] <amogorkon> v3trae, remove as in apt-get remove arts :)
[08:34] <v3trae> amogorkon: heh ah, not seeing the problem yet i suppose ;)
[08:35] <amogorkon> but there i got a list of 67 packets and overall 163 MB that would be removed with it
[08:36] <amogorkon> i don't want to remove 90% of my system accidentally :)
[08:36] <v3trae> amogorkon: honestly i don't know enough about how apt-get works. If you were trying to do this through portage i could probably help =P
[08:37] <amogorkon> i thought i'm in #kubuntu here, not #gentoo :)
[08:37] <v3trae> amogorkon: lol, that's why i'm here, trying to learn D+
[08:37] <amogorkon> lol
[08:37] <v3trae> amogorkon: but i help out where i can
[08:37] <v3trae> amogorkon: so you just wanna remove the one package, not all its deps
[08:38] <amogorkon> i would like to know if i can remove these packets without hazard
[08:38] <etech> what is the latest kubuntu L versionTS
[08:38] <etech> is kubuntu hardy with kde3 now LTS or not?
[08:38] <amogorkon> and/or if these packets can be reinstalled without hassle
[08:38] <syockit> there are still many packages that depend on libarts
[08:38] <syockit> mplayer for example
[08:38] <TTxT> is kubuntu using pulseaudio?
[08:39] <syockit> and those kde3 apps
[08:39] <v3trae> amogorkon: hmmm. thats alot of packages to worry about.
[08:39] <v3trae> amogorkon: i'd check the man for apt-get and see if there is a way to remove only the file specified.
[08:39] <amogorkon> syockit, so better not to remove arts?
[08:39] <BattleStarJesus> I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 and Compiz Fusion, I am looking for a proper tutorial that will thuroughly instruct me on how to setup multiple wallpapers
[08:39] <syockit> TTxT: you can use pulseaudio, and I think it comes installed by default, but is not really needed
[08:39] <v3trae> amogorkon: hah you might not want to listen to me, i don't even know what arts is
[08:39] <syockit> amogorkon: there's only one arts related stuff you should keep
[08:40] <v3trae> BattleStarJesus: on multiple monitors?
[08:40] <amogorkon> syockit, which is?
[08:40] <TTxT> syockit: Im using ubuntu and Im having a lot of trouble...
[08:40] <syockit> amogorkon: libartsco
[08:40] <syockit> amogorkon: libartsc0
[08:40] <amogorkon> v3trae, the old audio system many kde applications built on
[08:40] <v3trae> amogorkon: ah gotcha
[08:40] <TTxT> one day im watching a movie , and in the other day I got no sound....
[08:40] <syockit> TTxT: such as? Kubuntu uses phonon, most things work out-of-the-box
[08:41] <syockit> TTxT: but for non kde stuff, like firefox/adobe flash, I'm not sure
[08:41] <BattleStarJesus> v3trae, single monitor, toshiba laptop
[08:41] <amogorkon> thanks syockit
[08:41] <TTxT> syockit: My hole sound system stops working....
[08:42] <syockit> TTxT: actually phonon requires pulseaudio library to be installed. it won't run the daemon though
[08:42] <v3trae> BattleStarJesus: i guess i don't understand the question then, multiple wallpapers how?
[08:42] <syockit> TTxT: you sure it's not kernel problem?
[08:42] <TTxT> syockit: Im using the default ones
[08:42] <syockit> TTxT: this is Intrepid?
[08:43] <TTxT> syockit: yes
[08:43] <syockit> TTxT: if you ever jump ship to kubuntu, don't try the experimental 4.2
[08:43] <BattleStarJesus> v3trae: a different wallpaper for each virtual desktop
[08:43]  * `Alt` why,when i enter  in my account in kubuntu,played whery SHOT muzic and the end.What is this???Please reply...
[08:43] <v3trae> BattleStarJesus: no idear there buddy
[08:43] <TTxT> syockit: it is still buggy?
[08:44] <syockit> If you lurk this channel a bit more, chances are you will here people coming and screaming help my 4.2 broke!
[08:44] <syockit> So install kubuntu-desktop from normal repo
[08:45] <syockit> 4.1 is good enough IMHO
[08:45] <BattleStarJesus> I am here because I am looking for a proper turorial what will instruct me how to use the Compiz-Fusion plugin Wallpaper.  I am using Kubuntu 8.10.
[08:45] <TTxT> syockit: I was a kde user... I'm waiting a little to use kde again...
[08:46] <BattleStarJesus> How do I configure KDE to not render the desktop?
[08:46] <syockit> TTxT: "was" means 3.5? You'll be facing radical change then
[08:47] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: lol is that possible? btw wallpaper is handled by plasma
[08:47] <TTxT> syockit: yes
[08:47] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: If you kill plasma, you'll basically have no desktop
[08:48] <syockit> TTxT: you may want to test the waters before jumping completely. Some 3.5 users are shocked as to how things are so different in KDE4
[08:49] <BattleStarJesus> syockit: I am not joking around
[08:49] <TTxT> syockit: what is the default package manager and update manager?
[08:49] <amogorkon> kde 4.2 is much better though
[08:49] <BattleStarJesus> syockit: I am here for technical information, not jokes.
[08:50] <TTxT> syockit: I may have kde installed here
[08:50] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: no can do. In KDE4.2, you can assign different wallpaper per activities. But that's different from what you want
[08:50] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: I take it that what you want is wallpaper A for desktop 1, wallpaper B for dekstop 2. I also want that
[08:51] <BattleStarJesus> syockit: that is what I am attempting to achieve.
[08:51] <syockit> TTxT: default package manager for kubuntu is Adept, which I think is horrible. I've used synaptic for some time, but now I'm aptitude
[08:52] <TTxT> the update manager is adept too?
[08:53] <amogorkon> syockit, why's aptitude better than synaptic?
[08:54] <syockit> amogorkon: If you know the commands, patterns, shortcuts, it's easier to work with. Else, for full GUI, synaptic is less work
[08:55] <syockit> TTxT: yes, update manager is also adept. No problem with that though
[08:56] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: I don't have compiz, but according to you, compiz wasn't able to take over wallpaper control, is that correct?
[08:57] <dr_Willis> compiz can take over the 'background' it has some feature.. but you have to disable somthig in kde/gnome for it to  work right.. Or so i recall
[08:57] <syockit> amogorkon: for example, if I want to find what updates are available, I do aptitude search ~U. Search installed arts package: aptitude search ~iarts. Remove config file: aptitude purge ~c
[08:57] <dr_Willis> I thought KDE by default could have diffrent allpapers for diferent desktops
[08:57] <syockit> dr_Willis: sadly, no
[08:58] <amogorkon> syockit, ah, cool
[08:58] <techbw> hi all, does anyone know how to setup a nokia phone to be used as an irda gprs modem?
[08:59] <syockit> dr_Willis: strange... the feature plan said it's completed though
[09:01] <amogorkon> syockit, it appears that the arts dependencies are bigger than just libartsc0
[09:02] <TTxT> bye
[09:02] <amogorkon> cu
[09:02] <amogorkon> there's also libarts1c2a
[09:02] <syockit> hmm, who depends on it?
[09:03] <syockit> but arts daemon is not needed. only libarts is
[09:04] <amogorkon> :(
[09:04] <syockit> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155150 says still no desktop containment per virtual desktop :(
[09:04] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: somewhere I hear rumor that says there's a compiz patch that allows multi wallpaper
[09:05] <amogorkon> libarts1c2a contains artsd etc and is dependency for all the stuff that dependson libartsc0
[09:05] <amogorkon> at least accordingly to synaptic
[09:05] <techbw> !ubottu wvdial
[09:05] <dr_Willis> ive seen compiz do differnt wallpapers per desktop. (well cube sides) under gnome.. but ya have to disable somthing in gnome for them to show
[09:07] <amogorkon> can i at least prevent artsd from getting auto-started?
[09:08] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: if you're kde4.2 user, this thread http://forums.opensuse.org/pre-release-beta/405923-linking-activities-virtual-desktops.html might be good to check out
[09:09] <syockit> amogorkon: hmm I guess things are still that way in intrepid
[09:09] <amogorkon> crap
[09:09] <amogorkon> and i thought i could get rid of it :)
[09:10] <amogorkon> thanks for the advice anyways
[09:10] <amogorkon> bye
[09:10] <v3trae> so has anyone figured out how to get conky to fork to background in kde 4.2?
[09:18] <thedark> hello everyone
[09:18] <Unksi> hi
[09:18] <thedark> I am going through a computer crisis... I tried to get Hangul support with SCIM and now Plasma Workspace crashes every time I boot
[09:18] <v3trae> !hi | DarkriftX
[09:18] <v3trae> whoops
[09:18] <v3trae> anyway, hi
[09:18] <v3trae> haha
[09:19] <thedark> I posted the error I get here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6686485#post6686485
[09:20] <thedark> but nobody has responded in 24 hours! :(
[09:20] <thedark> I don't have a start bar, a desktop....
[09:20] <thedark> and this was a fresh install of Kubuntu 8.10, I had just transfered all of my important data :(
[09:21] <v3trae> stupid question, how do you search through apt from a CL
[09:22] <fosco_> thedark: try this: mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_backup and restart session
[09:23] <thedark> thank you fosco, trying that now
[09:27] <thedark> it worked!
[09:27] <thedark> thanks foco!
[09:28] <fosco_> ok
[09:28] <thedark> er, fosco
[09:28] <fosco_> now almost everything will be as default
[09:28]  * thedark nods
[09:30] <thor> can i move the taskbar from bottom of the screen up (kde4)??
[09:31] <dr_Willis> unlock it with the  'cashew' button at the right side. and i think you can.
[09:36] <thor> i didnt succedd on moving the taskbar
[09:43] <syockit> yay got multi desktop wallpaper working!
[09:44] <syockit> thor: I forgot how 4.1 looked like, but after clicking on cashew, is there "screen edge" option?
[09:45] <werner_> Just tried to upgrade KDE 4.1.4 in my Kubuntu 8.10 to KDE 4.2.  ERROR:
[09:45] <werner_> APT Error. Context:
[09:45] <werner_>     Running dpkg,
[09:45] <werner_>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_40x0,0000002f5db38p-10224.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_amd64.deb ],
[09:45] <werner_>     Sup-process returned error code 1,
[09:45] <werner_>     Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_amd64.deb : Versuche, »/usr/share/kde4/apps/kconf_update/plasma-add-shortcut-to-menu.upd« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket kdebase-workspace-data ist.
[09:45] <werner_> any ideas?
[09:46] <jussi01> !paste | werner_
[09:47]  * dr_Willis cant read german.. but if its conflictng packages/files.. try removing the ones that are conflicting  then try again.
[09:47] <thor> i dont see any screen edge option
[09:47] <werner_> thx I'll try
[09:49] <thor> i dont really understand why they changed/removed something that some of us really used
[09:50] <thor> it's seems so complicated when it should be very easy to use
[09:50] <syockit> thor: if you click on the cashew, a black bar with sliders (for resizing width) appears, right? can you drag that instead?
[09:50] <thor> yes, thats correct. a black bar with sliders appeared
[09:51] <syockit> is it draggable?
[09:51] <thor> yeap
[09:51] <thor> it worked
[09:52] <syockit> nice! I remember doing that when I was on windows (per coLinux)
[09:52] <thor> i moved that damn panel up
[09:52] <thor> thanks for the help
[09:53] <syockit> in 4.2 you can't drag, but there's screen edge option instead. Damn thing keeps changing
[09:53] <syockit> looking forward to 4.3 :~)
[09:53] <thor> i updated to 4.2 but it crashed everything
[09:54] <thor> so i reinstalled 8.1 with 4.1
[09:55]  * dr_Willis waits for service pack 4 for kde 4.2
[09:59] <Archon> What is the latest version of Kubuntu that uses KDE 3.5?
[10:00] <dr_Willis> kubuntu 8.6
[10:00] <dr_Willis> I think
[10:00] <Archon> 8.6? I thought that Kubuntu was released in 6-month cycles with Ubuntu
[10:02] <syockit> 8.04
[10:02] <Archon> OK. Thanks.
[10:02] <syockit> 8.10 is 4.1 default, no 3.5 provided
[10:02] <dr_Willis> .06 ? :) i am in too manyu different disrtos
[10:02] <dr_Willis>   8.10 -.06
[10:02] <syockit> dr_Willis: yup you are! what are you on now?
[10:03] <dr_Willis> Silly version Numbers based on DATE.. why just not USE the date...
[10:03] <dr_Willis> Ubuntu_Oct10
[10:03] <syockit> They ain't like them non-numerals
[10:03] <dr_Willis> Roman Numerals!
[10:03] <dr_Willis> Kubuntu_XVII_VVXXIIA
[10:03] <syockit> Yeah that'd be cool! Like Olympics!
[10:04] <dr_Willis> wasent 3.5 in the  Works forr 8.10 ?
[10:04] <dr_Willis> ive not heard much agout it lately
[10:04] <syockit> Someone's working on it?
[10:04] <dr_Willis> ive herd it mentioned befor
[10:04] <syockit> They dropped 3.5 because they claim it's no longer maintained
[10:05] <syockit> upstream, at least
[10:05] <dr_Willis> There was unofficial ports of it.
[10:05] <RurouniJones> 8.10 should still have been 3.5 default :/
[10:06] <dr_Willis> dosent really matter what we say :) its done..
[10:06] <dr_Willis> Progress some times jumps too far ahead.
[10:06] <RurouniJones> I can cherish my superior judgement :p
[10:07] <RurouniJones> All I hope is the muppets who made taht decision learned from it.
[10:07] <dr_Willis> If we dident have 4.0 in the latest.. this channel wouldbe full of people demanding 4.1 and 4.2 every day
[10:07] <dr_Willis> and i imagine progrss on 4.2 would been slowed down a bit.
[10:07] <dr_Willis> but I use JWM+Rox-filer mainly :P
[10:09] <syockit> It's not LTS, so I think deploying with 4.1 shouldn't hurt
[10:09] <syockit> dr_Willis: really, what distro are you using now?
[10:09] <dr_Willis> different target audiances.. :) diffrent ideas...
[10:09] <dr_Willis> no one would be happy
[10:10] <dr_Willis> Got ubuntu on most of my machines. with kubuntu and xubunto. Trying the net-book remix on the AcerAspireOne
[10:10] <dr_Willis> and i built up a Uber-Thumbdrve with 6 other mini disrtos to play with
[10:10] <dr_Willis> :)
[10:10] <dr_Willis> and a nice bootable peristant home 4gb Ubuntu Thubdrive for a rescue system
[10:31] <Guest87107> which command i should use to download only all the packages of a repository which i mension on command line??
[10:34] <syockit> Guest87107: aptitude download <list of packages>
[10:34] <syockit> Guest87107: but it downloads the most recent package mentioned in sources.list
[10:35] <Guest87107> i want to download all dependancy packages as well
[10:36] <Guest87107> if i try to install on a sysem it should have all the dependancies
[10:37] <Lugii> Hello. I have a problem connecting Wifi on Kubuntu 8.10 (KDE4.2) on my Dell laptop. (during installation it found proprietary drivers for the Broadcom wifi and enabled them). When i click New connection for eth1, It can see and find the available access points. When i set the things like IP, and click connect and save, it just doesnt even try to connect. It shows disconnected. How do i make it to at least try to connect?
[10:37] <syockit> hmm, both aptitude and apt-get offer download only option for install, but it will download to /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:38] <Lugii> On windows connecting to the wireless router without any encrypton works
[10:39] <syockit> Guest87107: if you do aptitude -s install <package list>, you can get a list of what it will install, without actually installing
[10:40] <syockit> Guest87107: then you can aptitude download <the new package list given by aptitude -s install>
[10:41] <syockit> Lugii: can you try clicking on the network manager applet on the system tray? then in wireless lan connection, select the connection name you made
[10:43] <fosco_> http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5287/kde424ic2.jpg <- this is my desktop
[10:43] <fosco_> any way to get right plasmoids perfectly aligned?
[10:44] <Lugii> I i right click the network manager and then click the "U_Jezevce" the name of my wireless connection, it does nto do anything
[10:44] <fosco_> drag and dropping them is hard
[10:45] <Lugii> i am now reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/280762 a bug about static IPs.. could it be because of this?
[10:47] <Lugii> if i write iwconfig into konsole i get wth 1: IEEE 802.11 Nickname:"" Access Point: Not-Associated
[10:49] <syockit> fosco_: pretty desktop you have there. As for alignment, to get it pixel perfect would involve rc file editing
[10:49] <fosco_> ok
[10:49] <syockit> you're willing to risk it?
[10:50] <syockit> okay, let's back up you ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc to somewhere
[10:52] <fosco_> yes it is
[10:52] <fosco_> thanks
[10:53] <syockit> fosco_: if you want to edit that, you have to quit plasma first
[10:53] <JackWinter> on kubuntu 8.04, how do i update the nvidia driver?  running 173.14.12 right now, and have a problem with kdm hanging when logging out.  googling seems to indicate that it's a driver or xorg problem
[10:53] <fosco_> ok, killing plasma
[10:53] <syockit> fosco_: open a console, do " kquitapp plasma ".
[10:53] <syockit> fosco_: edit that plasma-appletsrc with kate or something
[10:54] <syockit> fosco_: you can see in the file, they've got some geometry= lines, those will determine the geometry of each applet
[10:54] <JackWinter> think i installed this driver with envyng, but there are later drivers...
[10:54] <syockit> fosco_: it goes by this syntax: geometry=<x position>,<y position>,<width>,<height>
[10:55] <syockit> fosco_: after editing, save, then run plasma again
[10:55] <fosco_> done! thanks
[10:56] <syockit> JackWinter: I'm not to sound about nvidia drivers, but lately I hear you shouldn't use envy
[10:57] <Lugii> I tried to change the router to DHCP, and also the wifi connection, but still it does not even try to connect, it just says disconnected :(
[10:58] <gmathews> Hi, is there a startup manager in kubuntu?
[10:59] <syockit> gmathews: System Settings>Advanced(tab)>Autostart
[11:00] <syockit> Lugii: any logs that you can read?
[11:00] <Lugii> finally it sterted to work O.o
[11:00] <gmathews> ta syockit ;]
[11:00] <syockit> Lugii: wow strange
[11:00] <Lugii> i tried removing the conf of the wired connection i used before, alsp deleted he wireless and added it again and then it starte dto work
[11:01] <Lugii> and i also changed the name of the connection to something different from the ESSID..¨
[11:01] <techbw> hi does anyone know of a site for info on setting up nokia infrared gprs connection, there is alot about bluetooth and cable but not much on infrared connection to use the phone as a gprs modem
[11:01] <Lugii> really weird lol
[11:03] <Lugii> now i have to set MAC filters and encryption, as first i tried it without anything that might block it..
[11:06] <Exilant> hello, i just installed 4.2 from jaunty. is there anything cool to test?
[11:06] <Exilant> besides desktop effects and the new kate/kopete?
[11:09] <fosco_> Exilant: amarok2
[11:09] <senorpedro> hi
[11:10] <senorpedro> how can i set konqueror as default file manager in 3.5?
[11:10] <gmathews> is it possible to add 'mount -o bind /media/folder /home/folder' into Autostart, as opposed to playing around with fstab?
[11:10] <senorpedro> so that konqueror is opened instead of dolphin when a usb device is plugged in
[11:10] <RurouniJones> file assosiations -> Inode
[11:12] <syockit> gmathews: not sure if sudo runs well with autostart.
[11:13] <syockit> gmathews: and you wouldn't like having an extra password prompt after each login, would you?
[11:14] <senorpedro> hey thx RurouniJones, i first didnt get your message because it was so cryptic, but it works :)
[11:14] <syockit> use autostart for user desktop apps. for mount stuff look at rc.local or rc.5 or init.d stuff instead
[11:15] <senorpedro> gmathews: maybe you can put it into .bash_profile or .bashrc
[11:15] <senorpedro> ...if you're using bash
[11:15] <seacnboy> hello, who knows how to use hotmail on ubuntu8.10?
[11:16] <gmathews> syockit: okay, could u help me with fstab entries then? not sure about the numbers that should follow the argument i mentioned earlier
[11:16] <syockit> seacnboy: does it not work with firefox?
[11:17] <syockit> gmathews: last two numbers should be 0 and 2 then
[11:17] <Novalgina2Fast> hi,when i try to mount a iso konsole says me that superblock on /dev/loop0 is damage
[11:18] <gmathews> can i ask why syockit? sorry eating now give me a minute ;p
[11:19] <xwarman> hello. maybe someone can help me... i just try to install or start linux (especially kubuntu) on a fuitsu siemens pc...
[11:20] <Exilant> fosco_: new amarok doesn't run here. well, won't complain, alpha and stuff
[11:20] <fosco_> Exilant: i'm running amarok2 from repos right now
[11:20] <syockit> gmathews: fifth field is for dump option. I think it's used by some dump tool, and isn't needed for your bind mount. The 6th field is for determining on which pass it should be mounted
[11:20] <Exilant> xwarman: there are lots of fs pcs out there
[11:21] <Exilant> ubuntu likes mine without problems
[11:21] <syockit> gmathews: root filesystem is 1. everything else except swap or sysfs should be 2
[11:21] <Exilant> well, except the cardreader
[11:22] <ute> hi
[11:23] <ute> for some reason the context menus of kde and all parts of dolpin are in english though the whole desktop is translated elsewise.
[11:23] <ute> this happened after an update
[11:23] <ute> is this a known issue?
[11:25]  * ute says "knock knock, anyone at home?"
[11:26] <ute> i checked the bugtracker, but found nothing
[11:27] <gmathews> okay syockit. Lets take two examples. I want to bind /media/disk/folder (it is NTFS) to my /home/ftp/download and the other case is /media/disk/folder (an ext 3 partition) to /home/ftp/download2. What will be the 2 fstab entries?
[11:29] <xwarman> i try to install or start linux on a fuitsu siemens scaleo pa2550 and i only can finish setup if i start with acpi off. but after install i cant start the system. can someone help me????
[11:29] <xwarman> where can i find the error?
[11:32] <gmathews> xwarman: I am new to linux but maybe tru recovery console and type 'dmesg'
[11:35] <syockit> gmathews: you can try "/media/disk/folder /home/ftp/download none auto,bind 0 2
[11:36] <syockit> gmathews: wait, maybe you can assign 3 to passno instead?
[11:36] <syockit> gmathews: so that it makes sure all ext3 and ntfs drive are mounted before any binding is attempted
[11:36] <gmathews> lol not really getting the pass number thing syockit
[11:37] <syockit> gmathews: pass number is like the queue number. at first pass, it checks all with passno 0. then it goes for passno 1. then passno 2 etc
[11:37] <gmathews> oh i see! ok one more thing i am using the package ntfs-configuration-tool to auto mount my NTFS drive, not sure what pass that mounts it
[11:37] <syockit> gmathews: swap is usually 0. root is either 0 or 1. home is 2
[11:38] <techbw> how can i stop no carrier with kppp, The modem is detected correctly, but when I dial i get no carrier error
[11:38] <syockit> gmathews: I believe it's 2. It's not listed in fstab?
[11:38] <KEBA> it is possible to tell dolphin, that the space between the icons should not be that big
[11:39] <gmathews> w00t it is in fstab now! syockit /dev/sda5 /media/295GB ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_ZA.UTF-8 0 0
[11:39] <syockit> I wonder why all these default fstab entries go with passno 0. mine isn't though
[11:40] <gmathews> yep all my fstab entries are on 0 pass
[11:40] <syockit> It's not really harmful, but for bind stuff it's important
[11:41] <conrad_23> hey guys. anyone know why sshd would be painfully slow randomly while using it? (5 minute delays between some commands, randomly)
[11:42] <conrad_23> local network, no other traffic going on. over 802.11, dmesg isn't complaining.
[11:43] <conrad_23> computer pings fine, and i can just close the terminal and re-ssh in.
[11:43] <conrad_23> but the existing session lags for sometimes up to 15 minutes.
[11:44] <gmathews> syockit: so for both ntfs and ext3, the none auto,bind 0 2 is common?
[11:45] <syockit> gmathews: for non-root partition, yes
[11:45] <syockit> gmathews: wait, you meant bind. sorry. try 0 3
[11:45] <gmathews> syockit: okay i used ntfs-configuration-tool toauto mount my NTFS partition. How can I auto mount my other ext3 partition?
[11:46] <gmathews> okay will do so syockit
[11:49] <syockit> umm, I don't know a good fstab gui....
[11:50] <gmathews> syockit: I was talking about the fstab entry lol.. actually don't worry I will google it
[11:50] <gmathews> Thanks for your time though syockit :]
[11:51] <thor> how can i restore default file manager ?
[11:52] <fosco_> go to preferred apps in kde control panel
[11:52] <_gl_> !kde4.2
[11:52] <techbw> anyone know how to solve kppp no carrier problem
[11:52] <_gl_> !kde4
[11:52] <techbw> !kppp
[11:53] <thor> fosco_: in kde 4.1
[11:53] <fosco_> yes
[11:54] <thor> from where ?
[11:54] <thor> cant find it
[11:54] <fosco_> k-mneu
[11:55] <fosco_> menu*
[11:55] <fosco_> System preferences
[11:55] <fosco_> DEsktop
[11:55] <fosco_> sorry, preferred apps
[11:56] <fosco_> or alt+f2 and execute /usr/bin/systemsettings
[11:56] <_gl_> Hi I have been getting an error NO_PUBKEY (and a number) from the intrepid repo. Should I ignore this? If so, how?
[11:56] <gmathews> found a bug..if there are 2 download windows and a theme is used...the one window goes back to the old theme of KDE 4.2
[11:56] <gmathews> *two copying windows that is not download
[11:57] <skarn> i can't find the option to disable custom emoticons in kopete in kde 4.2
[11:58] <thor> i runned the command and appeared system settings
[11:59] <_gl_> Hello... I have been getting an error NO_PUBKEY (and a number) from the intrepid repo. Should I ignore this? If so, how?
[12:03] <fosco_> thor: so clic on preferred apps icon
[12:03] <thor> when i click on folder this message error occurs: KDEInit could not launch konqueror. could not find konqueror executable
[12:03] <quassel190> ok .. my kopete is using similar config as pidgin for gmail .. but kopete just wont connect .
[12:03] <thor> this message appears on folder view widget
[12:04] <fosco_> quassel190: nor mine :-(
[12:05] <quassel190> ok .. anyone able to get gmail chat working on kopete ?
[12:05] <skarn> quassel190 i do
[12:05] <thor> is there in 4.1 kde control center ?
[12:06] <skarn> quassel190 and always worked for me without problems. Are you behind a firewall?
[12:07] <quassel190> nope, not at all ..in connecttion tab, -  talk.google.com 5222, first 2 options unchecked ..
[12:08] <quassel190> skarn: can yu let us know what server yu are using for gmail ..
[12:09] <quassel190> are yu overriding server ?
[12:10] <skarn> quassel190:  talk.google.com
[12:10] <gmathews> Sigh the errors I am getting in Kubuntu is worse than what I got with Windows wtf
[12:12] <skarn> quassel190: my config, as I have to connect from behind a firewall are: talk.google.com 443 all option checked
[12:13] <drkns> hello
[12:14] <drkns> I need to install latest version of gimp 2.6 however I use kubuntu 7.04 and it installs gimp 2.4
[12:14] <skarn> quassel190: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=57557
[12:14] <drkns> anyone knows how to install latest gimp on kubuntu 7.04
[12:14] <fosco_> upgrade to 8.10
[12:15] <drkns> 8.10 crashing on my laptop during first check disk
[12:15] <drkns> my laptop is not goodenough for 8.10
[12:16] <skarn> drkns: you could at least try 8.04. you should be albe to find packages for gimp 2.6 for that
[12:17] <quassel190> skarn: well everythng checked here too.. using port 5223
[12:18] <skarn> drkns: http://www.getdeb.net/app/Gimp
[12:18] <drkns> skarn I tried 8.10 and it is awesome but my laptop get very hot and during first startup check disk it becomes corrupt and wont start again
[12:19] <skarn> drkns:  8.04 is still kde3... i thought it could work...
[12:20] <skarn> quassel190: and it doesn't work?
[12:20] <drkns> himmm mine was with kde4??
[12:20] <drkns> how can i chose kde3 with it?
[12:20] <drkns> I guess i need to upgrade
[12:21] <skarn> drkns:  you are talking about 8.10
[12:21] <drkns> Am i dumb or what your right
[12:22] <drkns> would you recommend to upgrade or clean install?
[12:22] <skarn> drkns:  I always like to clean install, as I like to mess a lot with my distro
[12:22] <drkns> anyways thanks skarn
[12:22] <skarn> but it may not be your case
[12:23] <drkns> thanks
[12:26] <_gl_> I tried to installkde4.2, but it went half the way through and I have an unmet dependency )kdebase-workspacedata... what should I do now?
[12:27] <nookie^> _gl_: try "apt-get -f install"
[12:27] <nookie^> or "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:27] <_gl_> thanks, trying now...
[12:28] <NostradamuS> Nöjö
[12:29] <NostradamuS> okeee
[12:29] <_gl_> actually the dependency is kdebase-workspace-bin and workspace-data is not installable... the 2 suggestions above did not work
[12:35] <skarn> i can't find the option to disable custom emoticons in kopete in kde 4.2
[12:51] <varghese> is this where people can ask if they have problems on kubuntu
[12:55] <skarn> varghese: yes, please ask
[12:55] <syockit> yes
[12:56] <syockit> _gl_: what repo is that?
[12:57] <varghese> kopete for gmail not working for me
[13:01] <koperton> varghese: you have to install freepops
[13:01] <koperton> that because gmail and other like yahoo doesn't want people download e-mail
[13:02] <koperton> if you install and configure freepops you can get your e-mail with kmail
[13:04] <Exilant> jaunty really feels nice, looking forward to it :)
[13:04] <Exilant> but now back to actually working in hardy :/
[13:11] <_gl_> !restartplasma
[13:11] <_gl_> !plasma
[13:13] <olenz> Anybody here interested in feedback on Jaunty alpha 4?
[13:13] <Bderenor> shoot
[13:13] <olenz> I have an AMD 64 machine, and installed it, no problem
[13:13] <olenz> everything looks nice
[13:13] <olenz> only - i do not get any network
[13:14] <olenz> the network manager plasma does not start
[13:14] <olenz> (shows a white cross on red instead)
[13:14] <olenz> and also when i start knetworkmanager, I do not get an connetion
[13:14] <olenz> its a bit hard to write a decent bug report without any network connection...
[13:16] <olenz> My hardware: Lenovo Thinkpad R61, Core Duo CPU
[13:16] <olenz> The kernel loaded the correct network module, so thats all right
[13:17] <olenz> Oh, and the same behaviour when the system is not installed, but run from CD
[13:18] <Exilant> nm plasma worked here
[13:18] <Exilant> knetworkmanager does not
[13:19] <Exilant> olenz: do konquis weg shortcuts work for you?
[13:19] <Exilant> *web shortcuts
[13:19] <olenz> No
[13:19] <olenz> I can't ping anything
[13:19] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:19] <olenz> Network unreachable
[13:31] <akash> How can I update to  INtrepid version with a liveCD??
[13:32] <olenz> I don't think you can update via a live CD.
[13:32] <syockit> akash: are you trying to update an already installed system?
[13:33] <akash> Yes Gutsy 7.10
[13:33] <olenz> The live CD does not contain all the required packages
[13:33] <olenz> I mean, at least if you have installed anything besides the Live-CD stuff
[13:34] <syockit> akash: you have no internet connection or something?
[13:34] <akash> Ya I do have....but can I do with LiveCD;Actually it takes lot of time from Net
[13:34] <syockit> it is possible to upgrade via livecd, but makes no sense why you'd want to do that
[13:35] <syockit> akash: so you want to upgrade using livecd as repo?
[13:35] <olenz> i guess that would be it
[13:35] <akash> Do LiveCD which was sent by Kubuntu is not worthful
[13:36] <olenz> eh?
[13:36] <olenz> Sorry, I didn't get that, can you please repeat?
[13:36] <syockit> The liveCD doesnot have upgrade scripts afaik
[13:37] <olenz> Yes, I would guess so
[13:37] <akash> Is Full upgrade via net is only option...
[13:37] <olenz> But it should be possible to use it as an additional software source
[13:37] <olenz> and then require much less network to upgrade
[13:38] <syockit> akash: no, you can add the cd as repo
[13:38] <syockit> akash: but some stuff are bound to be downloaded in the process
[13:38] <akash> Actually I have tried apt-cdrom add but it gives certaion error regarding No repos found
[13:39] <syockit> hmm
[13:40] <Dragnslcr> Some of the install discs have a script to do a dist-upgrade from the disc
[13:41] <Dragnslcr> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD
[13:42] <syockit> Dragnslcr: he wants to use livecd
[13:43] <syockit> akash: you can boot from the livecd and chroot and apt-get update from there
[13:43] <syockit> akash: the whole repo is in a squashfs, so you can't read it from outside
[13:43] <syockit> akash: or maybe you can wait till I figure out how squash works
[13:46] <quassel242> hello! I'm currently testing Jaunty. I did a dist-upgrade last night and now "desktop effects" do not work anymore. Anyone knows if it is a xorg or kwin related bug?
[13:47] <akash> Ya I will wait...I am dying to use new Version....
[13:49] <syockit> akash: wait, my livecd has pool directory... does your livecd have it?
[13:50] <BattleStarJesus> i am using Kubuntu 8.10 I do not like the plasma swirley in the top right corner, how do I get rid of it?
[13:51] <akash> Yes it have pool directory
[13:51] <syockit> BattleStarJesus: in kde-look, there's something called "I hate the Cashew"
[13:55] <syockit> akash: try adding deb file:/media/cdrom0/ jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
[13:57] <syockit> akash: sorry, universe multiverse may not work, so remove it
[14:00] <syockit> akash: okay, I've checked it out myself. sorry to say it may not work. You have to boot from livecd
[14:00] <akash> Then....
[14:00] <syockit> You will use chroot from the livecd
[14:00] <syockit> Can you internet from livecd?
[14:03] <akash> Actually I have to reboot all the system;Can't I checked it in another way??
[14:05] <syockit> how fast is your internet? I might want to suggest installing squashfs tools
[14:05] <syockit> if you really hate to reboot
[14:07] <akash> squashfs ...what will be its size I am having speed of 256kbps
[14:07] <syockit> let me find out
[14:11] <syockit> akash: squashfs-tools is only 117kB. That'd be around 3 seconds if your internet maxes out
[14:11] <syockit> do it: sudo apt-get install squashfs-tools
[14:11] <akash> Thanks...fromwhere I download it
[14:12] <syockit> apt-get install squashfs-tools
[14:13] <syockit> wait, something's not right here...
[14:13] <gmathews> Hi, what tool can I use to format drives and create partitions in Kubuntu 8.10
[14:14] <gmathews> !info squashfs-tools
[14:14] <gmathews> !info gparted
[14:14] <gmathews> !info kparted
[14:14] <gmathews> ;/
[14:15] <akash> Please specify deb entry for apt-get,actually I hv accidenlty lost all entries
[14:16] <bazhang> !info qtparted
[14:16] <dwarder> from desctop settings -> new wallpapers i have downloaded wallpapers, how can i set them ?
[14:16] <dwarder> *desktop
[14:17] <gmathews> ta bazhang
[14:17] <dwarder> found
[14:17] <dwarder> in home dir
[14:17] <dwarder> thanks
[14:18] <syockit> akash: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[14:19] <akash> Ohhh...I got ping: unknown host http://archive.ubuntu.com
[14:19] <akash> Is it down
[14:20] <syockit> nope, I have it here
[14:20] <syockit> something wrong with network settings?
[14:23] <akash> Alas...I am unable to open it.But other site are opening.. :'(
[14:24] <akash> Wait..god is great it works now
[14:25] <akash> I am fetching updates
[14:27] <syockit> akash: but don't update any packages now. You want to install new distro afterwards
[14:28] <akash> I hv just performed apt-get update...Is it OK
[14:29] <syockit> ok
[14:33] <syockit> akash: I think it'd have been faster if you booted from livecd and chrooted afterwards :/
[14:33] <shawnmstout> im looking for version 0710 but i cant find it from the website, can anyone tell me where i can find it?
[14:33] <akash> I hv installed squashfs-tools now please guide
[14:34] <syockit> shawnmstout: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ none here?
[14:34] <shawnmstout> looking
[14:34] <syockit> akash: how big is your hard drive?
[14:34] <shawnmstout> is that ubuntu or kubuntu though
[14:34] <shawnmstout> im looking for that version so i can install linux mce
[14:34] <akash> Around 80GB....Gutsy version is installed in space of 10GB
[14:35] <akash> /dev/sda5             10365264   4579152   5259584  47% /
[14:36] <shawnmstout> so i guess im confused here, there is a difference between ubuntu and kubuntu correct?
[14:36] <syockit> akash: don't worry you can unpack the squash in another drive
[14:36] <akash> How do I do it
[14:37] <shawnmstout> oh its just the desktop environment
[14:41] <quassel80> i switched from ubuntu 8.10 to kubuntu last week but in kubuntu my touch pad doesnt work?
[14:41] <quassel80> can anyone help
[14:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm! I just come from 32 bit Kubuntu, and now on 64bit Kubuntu, but seems like Java dosent work in 64bit? Can that be it?
[14:42] <dwarder> quassel80: offtopic, why you switched?
[14:42] <dwarder> quassel80: sorry can't help you with that
[14:43] <quassel80> cause i think KDE is better than GNOME
[14:43] <quassel80> thats why i swtched
[14:43] <dwarder> quassel80: thanks
[14:43] <shawnmstout> u can download kde as ur desktop environment man
[14:43] <shawnmstout> without changing
[14:43] <shawnmstout> os's
[14:44] <dwarder> distros..
[14:44] <dwarder> os it the same :)
[14:44] <quassel80> yeah but i wanted to go with  KDE with no GTK applications
[14:44] <dwarder> *is
[14:45] <Sp0tKubuntu> maybe i need java for 64bit then?
[14:45] <quassel80> any idea when K3b's KDE4 version will be out, and what abt Kaffeine KDE4
[14:45] <akash> How do I use squashfs....
[14:48] <shawnmstout> im sure u could google that info
[14:48] <shawnmstout> but no dont know
[14:50] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thanks for ignore
[14:51] <shawnmstout> wow, didnt see him write anything
[14:51] <shawnmstout> until now
[14:53] <syockit> akash: extracting the cd is going to take a very long time
[14:54] <johannes_> hi
[14:55] <shawnmstout> hey
[14:55] <johannes_> my taskbar panel icons suddenly appear in the middle, cannot be aligned to the right anymore
[14:55] <johannes_> they are all over the panel
[14:56] <shawnmstout> wierd
[15:01] <Sp0tKubuntu> How do i install this pakage? jre-6u12-linux-x64.bin
[15:02] <shawnmstout> u need the cue file with it
[15:02] <shawnmstout> bins are combined with cue packages then u burn it to disk
[15:02] <Sp0tKubuntu> ahh, there where 2 files
[15:02] <Sp0tKubuntu> how do i install when i got the other file?
[15:02] <shawnmstout> load the cue file in a cd burning program
[15:03] <shawnmstout> cue file = instructions to burn
[15:03] <shawnmstout> bin = actual data
[15:03] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm, dont understand? Should i burn it?
[15:03] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ahh, its linking, i kind of
[15:03] <Sp0tKubuntu> But, can i only install with a burner??
[15:03] <shawnmstout> cue file tells what type of data is on there
[15:04] <shawnmstout> dont know if deamon tools has a release for linux or not
[15:04] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, now i got a jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin to
[15:04] <shawnmstout> but something similar to a virtual cd loader would work
[15:04] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm, im new in linux, just cant get Java to run 64 bit, and i have to, for netbanking
[15:05] <shawnmstout> if you are new
[15:05] <shawnmstout> make it easy on yourself
[15:05] <shawnmstout> burn it to cd
[15:05] <shawnmstout> use nero or some other type of cd burning utility
[15:05] <shawnmstout> does it have an option for an iso to download?
[15:06] <Sp0tKubuntu> I dont have a CD, only DVD; and its a small file
[15:06] <Sp0tKubuntu> Nope, dont think so
[15:06] <Sp0tKubuntu> I find it here: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_Developer-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewFilteredProducts-SingleVariationTypeFilter
[15:07] <shawnmstout> get a cd and burn it
[15:07] <Sp0tKubuntu> But i can burn on DVD?
[15:07] <shawnmstout> no
[15:07] <Sp0tKubuntu> Just so much free space
[15:07] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, then it dosent matter!
[15:07] <bindaas> why are you burning jre to cd?
[15:08] <bindaas> or dvd for that matter
[15:08] <Sp0tKubuntu> Cant get CDS unless i by 500
[15:08] <Sp0tKubuntu> I want to install
[15:08] <shawnmstout> bindaas, he has a cue and bin file
[15:08] <Sp0tKubuntu> Dont know how
[15:08] <Sp0tKubuntu> He told me to burn it
[15:08] <Sp0tKubuntu> I want Java to run 64bit thats all
[15:09] <Sp0tKubuntu> I cant convert it from 64, its not working when i use java 32
[15:09] <shawnmstout> did u look in the package manager to see if u could find a release there?
[15:09] <Sp0tKubuntu> Yes
[15:09] <shawnmstout> install from there then
[15:09] <Sp0tKubuntu> Only for 32 bit, OR i have to correct mirrors, and i have tryed before, messing up my system
[15:09] <Sp0tKubuntu> Im new, so its a little hard to me .-(
[15:10] <Sp0tKubuntu> i did look, its not there
[15:10] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thats what my "yes" meent
[15:10] <Sp0tKubuntu> meant*
[15:10] <Sp0tKubuntu> I try to change software sources and look again
[15:11] <bindaas> why not downlaod jre from java.sun.com and set jre home yourself?
[15:11] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: What?
[15:12] <shawnmstout> download it to computer and use sudo apt-get install  filename
[15:12] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: Im not so good at this! I cant see how i do that? I search google and find these, but i dont know how to install
[15:12] <_gl_> !kde
[15:12] <shawnmstout> but first u will need to extract the data from the bin first
[15:13] <_gl_> !kde4
[15:13] <Sp0tKubuntu> Sorry, you lost me :-(
[15:13] <shadeslayer> can someone guide me to tutorials for konsole commands
[15:13] <shawnmstout> think of a bin like a zip file
[15:13] <shadeslayer> making .bin files,etc
[15:13] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have 2 packages, a bin, and rpm
[15:13] <shawnmstout> but designed for making cd's
[15:13] <Sp0tKubuntu> Yeah? But how to open?
[15:13] <shawnmstout> ok
[15:13] <shawnmstout> let me say this for the 50th time
[15:13] <Sp0tKubuntu> ..
[15:14] <failers> uhm have my installation of kubuntu failed when it says "deb command not found"
[15:14] <shawnmstout> maybe it will sink in
[15:14] <shawnmstout> burn it to cd
[15:14] <Sp0tKubuntu> Forget it, i install Win
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Sp0tKubuntu: wait
[15:14] <shawnmstout> sounds like a great plan for u
[15:14] <bindaas> Sp0tKubuntu: .path/filename.bin
[15:14] <Sp0tKubuntu> Dont you understand im new? Trying to learn? My english is not that good
[15:14] <failers> ./file.bin
[15:14] <shadeslayer> u wile??ant to install a .bin f
[15:14] <shadeslayer> sudo ./RealPlayer11GOLD1.bin
[15:14] <bindaas> i have never used java from ubuntu repos
[15:14] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: its on desktop
[15:15] <failers> cd Desktop
[15:15] <failers> ./realplayer.bin
[15:15] <shadeslayer> cd ~/desktop
[15:15] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: That will say /home/spot/desktop
[15:16] <bindaas> never used java from ubuntu repo ,reason? well when i can download it from sun and set path myself why should i rely on ubuntu repo which may be using older version
[15:16] <shawnmstout> sudo apt-get install /home/spot/desktop/filename
[15:16] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: you saying its bettet to dl from java themself?
[15:17] <shawnmstout> he isnt using the repo
[15:17] <bindaas> true if you know or if you are willing to learn a bit about java path/classpath
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Sp0tKubuntu: the Best way would be adept
[15:17] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo apt-get install /home/spot/desktop/jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin
[15:17] <Sp0tKubuntu> ?
[15:17] <shawnmstout> you have to learn some about kubuntu to understand what we are saying
[15:17] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, i look in apedt then
[15:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> Im trying!
[15:18] <shawnmstout> sorry for the language barrier and you are new
[15:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> Its hard when people are hard on you! :-(
[15:18] <shawnmstout> but understanding basic commands would help
[15:18] <shadeslayer> hehe me too
[15:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> I try to say i dont undertand eng so good
[15:18] <shawnmstout> trust me man, im not being hard on you
[15:18] <shadeslayer> took me 3 days to find the IRC
[15:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> Not you, but some are :-)
[15:18] <shawnmstout> alot others would be so much harder on you
[15:19] <shadeslayer> BTW any tutorial for commands in Konsole
[15:19] <shawnmstout> thats because they expect that before you come to irc that you have a basic understanding
[15:19] <Sp0tKubuntu> i have IRC on Win, so i know the IRC bacis, so in linux it was easy, actually the same almost
[15:19] <shawnmstout> this is not a tutorial channel or a school here
[15:19] <shawnmstout> this is for help
[15:19] <shawnmstout> not doing
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Sp0tKubuntu: never used the IRC in my life before
[15:19] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:19] <Sp0tKubuntu> yeah i know, but HOW DO I DO IT?!
[15:19] <Sp0tKubuntu> Dont ask you to do it for me??
[15:20] <Sp0tKubuntu> I ask HOW DO I do! I dont request desktop remote, do i?
[15:20] <bindaas> Sp0tKubuntu: path/filname.bin
[15:20] <Sp0tKubuntu> Good then
[15:20] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thanks
[15:21] <shadeslayer> !konsole
[15:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo apt-get install /home/spot/desktop/jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> thak you ubotu :P
[15:21] <shawnmstout> yes
[15:21]  * shadeslayer shows the fist to everyone else
[15:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> Is that right? Dont want you to do it for me, just tell me if its the right command!
[15:21] <bazhang> dont use an rpm Sp0tKubuntu
[15:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ahh sorry
[15:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> This one:
[15:22] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, why are you doing it that way
[15:22] <bindaas> Sp0tKubuntu: heh,i have repeated the answer 2 times and you still dont understand
[15:22] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo apt-get install /home/spot/desktop/jre-6u12-linux-x64.bin ?
[15:22] <bazhang> no
[15:22] <jado> hi, how can i activate the restricted drivers ?
[15:22] <Sp0tKubuntu> Just want to get it right! I have reinstalled 5 times yesterday because ppl tell me something there was fucking the system up
[15:23] <shadeslayer> Sp0tKubuntu: you are basically trying to install something right
[15:23] <bazhang> jado, install them via the restricted drivers manager
[15:23] <bindaas> if you have permission ,any bin can be simply run as , path_to_file/file.bin
[15:23] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, please no swearing
[15:23] <jado> bazhang: i can't find it
[15:23] <Sp0tKubuntu> Soryr
[15:23] <Sp0tKubuntu> Sorry*
[15:23] <bazhang> jado, which version of kubuntu/ubuntu
[15:23] <jado> 8.10
[15:23] <bazhang> jado, you mean the drivers for graphics card correct?
[15:23] <jado> yes
[15:23] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: I dont unstand? Dont i have to install then?
[15:24] <eddy> How do I activate NetworkManager again? I was using wicd,
[15:24] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, sudo apt-get install is a command for repos
[15:24] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, sorry! Im used to windows :-D
[15:24] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, not for installing stuff from 3rd party stuff you downloaded to desktop
[15:24] <shadeslayer> jado: K>application>settings>hardware drivers
[15:24] <bindaas> i suppose the bin will extract the files for you,you will then have to set up the jre home
[15:25] <bazhang> eddy, iirc installing wicd means you have to uninstall networkmanager
[15:25] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: Ok
[15:25] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: Can i make a home for that myself? Where i want?
[15:25] <_gl_> can somebody tell me where exactly are the kde4.2 pacakges repo please?
[15:25] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, you are using 64bit OS?
[15:26] <shawnmstout> home is based off your profile
[15:26] <shawnmstout> when u setup a computer
[15:26] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: Yes sir
[15:26] <shawnmstout> example home/username/desktop is the path to your desktop
[15:26] <bazhang> _gl_, should be in topic here
[15:26] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have made 2 partitions, / and /home
[15:26] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: yes?
[15:26] <_gl_> yes, but I go there and I get nothing...
[15:26] <bindaas> you can set up the jre home any where if you want this jre to be used every where ,set the jre home in /etc/environment file
[15:26] <shadeslayer> BTW anybody who has FF3 and Kubuntu??
[15:27] <shadeslayer> *side by side
[15:27] <bazhang> _gl_, should be an experimental ppa
[15:27] <shawnmstout> difference between unix os and windows os is every single thing is a file, even folders
[15:27] <jado> thanks shadeslayer
[15:27] <bindaas> shadeslayer: what does ff offer than konqueror does not?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> jado: np
[15:27] <bindaas> s/than/that
[15:27] <shawnmstout> thats something that you should come a custom to early on
[15:27] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: Anywhere = For all users? Then i just make a /jre home ind ect?
[15:27] <Sp0tKubuntu> etc*
[15:28] <bindaas> correct
[15:28] <Sp0tKubuntu> Then i go to /etc/and make jre home, BRB
[15:28] <_gl_> bazhang: thank you, but I still do not seem to fin the packages. I will do a bit more of investigation of what is going on
[15:28] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, from an rpm?
[15:28] <bazhang> _gl_, let me find the link just a sec
[15:28] <bindaas> file name is /etc/environment
[15:28] <shadeslayer> bindaas: konqueror does not have ctrl+enter function
[15:28] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: I have also a bin
[15:29] <shawnmstout> i think u can uncompress a rpm if im not mistaken
[15:29] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: What? Should i not just make a directory in etc called jre home+
[15:29] <_gl_> bazhang: OK it seems to be working now. thanks again
[15:29] <sven_> hello all, where can I find  librra-tools 0.13-0ubuntu0~ppa1~intrepid1?
[15:29] <bindaas> Sp0tKubuntu: no
[15:30] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Maybe just get a rpm filemanager?
[15:30] <shawnmstout> spot, can u look at this
[15:30] <shawnmstout> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108640
[15:30] <shawnmstout> maybe can explain better than i have
[15:30] <Sp0tKubuntu> bindaas: /etc/enviroment?
[15:30] <shawnmstout> no such thing
[15:30] <bindaas> yes
[15:30] <shawnmstout> again think of a rpm like a zip or a rar file
[15:31] <shawnmstout> its a compressed file that needs to be extracted to see the contents inside
[15:31] <bindaas> shadeslayer: what does ctrl +enter do? // if it does zoom in sure konqueror have that
[15:31] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm, then i just get alien? And the alien do it for me?
[15:31] <Sp0tKubuntu> Me like aliens
[15:32] <shawnmstout> alien is an example filename
[15:32] <HEP85_> hi. how can I empty the recent files folder in the start menu?
[15:32] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, best to never use rpm
[15:32] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: Why is that?
[15:33] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: Something there is better?
[15:33] <shawnmstout> if my file was named alien.rpm i would type in      sudo apt-get install pathtofile/alien.rpm
[15:33] <bazhang> sven_, that will be in a ppa, the version in repos is 0.11.1-1
[15:33] <shawnmstout> pathtofile is whatever path you are using
[15:33] <sven_> bazhang: dont understand, can you help me more, im bit noob
[15:34] <bazhang> sven_, why do you need that version, and not use one in repos
[15:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Alien is not a rpm handler?
[15:34] <bazhang> ie sudo apt-get install librra-tools
[15:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Maybe just a command?
[15:34] <bazhang> !rpm
[15:35] <sven_> bazhang: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6258719&postcount=6/ thats why
[15:35] <shawnmstout> or use the package manager also
[15:35] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ahh, then i have to get rid of alien when im done?
[15:35] <shawnmstout> spot yes its a command
[15:35] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, its dangerous and unsupported: expect breakage
[15:35] <shawnmstout> u have to type it into your terminal client
[15:35] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: Broken package? :-(
[15:35] <shawnmstout> most unix is command line based
[15:36] <shawnmstout> its not like windows
[15:36] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, broken system
[15:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have just typed sudo apt-get install alien
[15:36] <shawnmstout> err i got a bad install
[15:36] <shawnmstout> i hate torrents sometimes
[15:36] <shawnmstout> o wow
[15:36] <shawnmstout> is your file called alien that u are extracting?
[15:37] <bazhang> its java
[15:37] <_gl_> OK I tried to install kde4.2, but there is an error during the install (I tried this twice) and now I get the kde login but it does not go in.
[15:37] <shawnmstout> exactly
[15:37] <shawnmstout> not alien
[15:37] <shawnmstout> look above and read
[15:37] <Novalgina2Fast> hi guys,why i can't copy a file in the vista's hard disk?
[15:37] <_gl_> I can log as a console. how do I get kde 4.1 back?
[15:37] <shawnmstout> im not typing just for the hell of it
[15:37] <bazhang> no sense at all to use an rpm for that, as there are native ubuntu solutions
[15:37] <shawnmstout> he wants the 64bit edition java install
[15:38] <shawnmstout> so he downloaded it from java.com
[15:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> And then : sudo alien -i jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin
[15:38] <Novalgina2Fast> gl: try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[15:38] <bazhang> shawnmstout, you are recommending rpm?
[15:38] <shawnmstout> wow
[15:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> But i cant find Java for 64bit
[15:39] <shawnmstout> im not saying i recommend that, im saying that thats all he had available
[15:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> File not found!?
[15:39] <shawnmstout> but an rpm isnt too hard to install
[15:39] <bazhang> that is not correct
[15:39] <shawnmstout> no shit
[15:39] <bazhang> no cursing please
[15:39] <shawnmstout> ok let me try to tell u this again spot
[15:39] <shawnmstout> sudo apt-get install pathtofile/filename.rpm
[15:39] <_gl_> Novalgina2Fast: Thank you, trying now
[15:40] <shawnmstout> sorry its aggrevating baz when i have said the same thing 20 times
[15:40] <bazhang> shawnmstout, that is wrong.
[15:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo apt-get install /home/spot/desktop/jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin
[15:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> Got it right THIS time??
[15:41] <PSiL0> actually, I have a stupid question... How can I get back to kde's login menu after pressing ALT+S? to login into console.. ctrl-alt-f7 doesn't work
[15:41] <shawnmstout> spot, i thought you had 2 files correct?
[15:41] <shawnmstout> whats the name of the 2nd file
[15:41] <shadeslayer> !fprint
[15:41] <shawnmstout> baz, whats wrong with that?
[15:41] <bindaas> Sp0tKubuntu: go back to java.sun.com ,find a 64bit self extracting bin ,run it,it will extract for you,set the home yourself
[15:41] <bindaas> extract files*
[15:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> Sorry im new! Sorry there are so many ppl here, sorry my eng are not that good! Sorry i try to run linux! Maybe i just have to go back to windows when ppl tell me about linux, thay did not tell me how hard it is to get help!
[15:42] <shadeslayer> how do i install fprint BTW
[15:42] <shawnmstout> ive tried to explain the whole extract part to him bind, he is not getting it
[15:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thanks for making this easy for me
[15:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> Really nice to be in linux!
[15:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> I just go shoot myself now, ok? Happy?
[15:42] <shawnmstout> if it was the same as windows, then it would be windows
[15:42] <shawnmstout> not linux
[15:42]  * bindaas starts counting how many times he has typed sorry
[15:42] <shawnmstout> its not the same
[15:42] <shawnmstout> its completely different
[15:43] <bazhang> shawnmstout, that command will not work.
[15:43] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ppl are just like MS support in here! CHRIST
[15:43] <shawnmstout> baz, whats wrong with that command, i know it doesnt matter now
[15:43] <shawnmstout> but out of curiosity
 sudo apt-get install pathtofile/filename.rpm
[15:43] <shawnmstout> should of been .bin correct?
[15:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> I just go to a danish forum ,and hope to get some help when ppl dont understand im new in here, and bad to english
[15:44] <shawnmstout> we understand that you are new
[15:44] <shawnmstout> thats clear man
[15:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> Just flaming me for not understanding?
[15:44] <shawnmstout> nope
[15:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> Im a WINDOWS user, normally, ok?
[15:45] <Sp0tKubuntu> i want to learn linux, but have to start from scratch
[15:45] <shawnmstout> you ask, we answer, you ask the same question, we answer, you ask the same question, we answer
[15:45] <Sp0tKubuntu> its really hard for me! Sorry! ;-(
[15:45] <shawnmstout> do you think this type of repitition might get aggrivating for us?
[15:45] <shawnmstout> pick up a book then man
[15:45] <Sp0tKubuntu> yes, i understand perfectly
[15:45] <shawnmstout> if this isnt working out for you
[15:45] <Sp0tKubuntu> But its hard to know for a new user
[15:45] <shawnmstout> no biggy
[15:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> I try and try, now telling me file dont exist
[15:46] <shawnmstout> there are 2 things that are going against you, language and completly new
[15:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> yeah, bad combination :-(
[15:46] <shawnmstout> you need to get some help from someone that can explain it in your own language
[15:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> Really
[15:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> Maybe i go at ubuntudanmark then
[15:47] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thats properly easyer for me, and you! :-D
[15:47] <shawnmstout> http://martinpihl.dk/words/new-guidelines-for-danish-irc-meetings
[15:47] <shawnmstout> there man
[15:47] <Sp0tKubuntu> IRC is just nice to get quick response! Forums are sometimes slowly
[15:47] <bindaas> by the way he had *rpm.bin* and he can't install it without extracting it
[15:47] <shawnmstout> yes but if you dont understand the response, its useless
[15:48] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thanks man! :-)
[15:48] <shawnmstout> i know
[15:48] <shawnmstout> i told him that bindaas, also
[15:48] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thats the problem, its to "new" for me, the sudo, and apg-get thing :-D
[15:48] <shawnmstout> he just isnt following what extracting means
[15:49] <bindaas> shawnmstout: he should have instead downloaded a jrefile.bin,extracted it ,set up the home himself that's the way to get the latest version
[15:49] <Sp0tKubuntu> I try a danish forum! Sorry for wasting your time :-) Understand how you feel
[15:49] <shawnmstout> i think its mostly a language barrier
[15:49] <sobukus> Hi, could someone tell me how to disable the suspend/hibernate (actually only the latter in my case) buttons in the logout menu? I read something about power-managerrc but that fil is not there under /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/... and creating it in $HOME does not change anything ... do I need to install something additional?
[15:50] <nogeek> Is there a KDE 4.2 live-CD available?
[15:50] <Sp0tKubuntu> Yeah, also the hard new words, in english
[15:50] <shawnmstout> bindaas, i thought that apt-get install will auto extract the files, but maybe im wrong
[15:50] <bazhang> that wont do it
[15:50] <bindaas> how can it auto extract and find the rpm to start with ?
[15:50] <shawnmstout> anyone here know danish that could help him out?
[15:50] <bazhang> apt-get is for installing from repos
[15:51] <shawnmstout> well i was expecting a bin + cue combination to tell u the truth
[15:51] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo alien -i jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin
[15:51] <Sp0tKubuntu> File "jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin" not found.
[15:51] <shawnmstout> forget the alien
[15:51] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thats what it said before
[15:51] <shawnmstout> no alien
[15:51] <shawnmstout> thats not a command
[15:51] <shawnmstout> just used as an example
[15:51] <shawnmstout> for a filename
[15:51] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, i have to uninstall alien again then? Or is alien just a commandline?
[15:51] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ahhhhh
[15:51] <shawnmstout> no alien at all
[15:51] <shawnmstout> its not a command
[15:52] <shawnmstout> its not anything
[15:52] <Sp0tKubuntu> It was an example?
[15:52] <shawnmstout> just a word
[15:52] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, sorry! :-)
[15:52] <shawnmstout> yes an example of a filename they was using
[15:53] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo -i jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin
[15:53] <Sp0tKubuntu> -bash: jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin: No such file or directory
[15:53] <Sp0tKubuntu> Think im to stupid for linux! :-D
[15:53] <shawnmstout> well 1 think is you forgot the path
[15:53] <shawnmstout> let me see if i can find the command to extract it
[15:54] <shawnmstout> i know your trying man and its frustrating
[15:54] <shawnmstout> but you have to take everything about windows and forget it
[15:54] <shawnmstout> cause its not the same
[15:54] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm, then it have to be sudo -i jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin (-i) = directory?
[15:55] <Sp0tKubuntu> sudo -i /home/spot/desktop/jre-6u12-linux-x64-rpm.bin
[15:55] <shawnmstout> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68790  please read this man
[15:55] <Sp0tKubuntu> Like that then?
[15:55] <sobukus> Hm, OK... after creating the global file with disableHibrnate=1 the button is gone
[15:55]  * sobukus wonders why people tell you to create ~/.kde/share/config/powermanagerrc, which is without any effect
[15:55] <sobukus> power-managerrc
[15:55] <sebastian> hola, alguien que hable español ?¿?¿?¿?¿
[15:56] <shawnmstout> are you in the terminal client?
[15:56] <shawnmstout> hold on ill msg you
[15:56] <Sp0tKubuntu> Im there now
[15:59] <shadeslayer_> !konsole
[16:02] <nogeek> Is there a Kubuntu KDE 4.2 live-CD available?
[16:05] <emanuele> emanueledragonballgt@libero.it
[16:05] <nosferatu> dont know, but the alpha 9.04 just came out and that has 4.2
[16:09] <RickX> anyone using the Baghira theme?
[16:12] <syockit> RickX: I'm using Bespin, the author mentioned something Baghira...
[16:19] <techbw> i am using baghira theme
[16:20] <techbw> RickX: I am
[16:21] <techbw> anyone here able to get dialup networking setup in kubuntu?
[16:24] <shawnmstout> how can u check to see what version of java u are running
[16:24] <shawnmstout> i dont know right off hand
[16:24] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Ok. ill try to look into it then :-)
[16:24] <shawnmstout> wait
[16:24] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: yes?
[16:24] <shawnmstout> im asking here to see what the command is
[16:24] <shawnmstout> to find out
[16:24] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ahh :-)
[16:24] <shawnmstout> i have never searched myself
[16:25] <shawnmstout> anyone know?
[16:25] <Sp0tKubuntu> Ok, then i ask! People! Where do you see java version in firefox?
[16:25] <shawnmstout> im asking in different channels as well
[16:26] <shawnmstout> just stay here for a sec
[16:26] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thanks m8! :-)
[16:26] <bazhang> about:plugins in browser window
[16:27] <techbw> shawnmstout: I think the easiest way would be to check in adept which version is installed, usually you can do a command as follow "program --version" program being the program name
[16:27] <Sp0tKubuntu> Add-ons?
[16:27] <shawnmstout> thanks bas
[16:27] <shawnmstout> we just installed 64 bit
[16:27] <shawnmstout> does it require a restart in order for it to update?
[16:27] <techbw> or you could do about:plugins in firefox or konqueror to see what plugins are in use
[16:27] <shawnmstout> cause it looks like it installed but its not showing up
[16:28] <shawnmstout> ok thanks
[16:28] <shawnmstout> spot u got that
[16:28] <shawnmstout> open up firefox
[16:28] <shawnmstout> and go to about plugins
[16:28] <Sp0tKubuntu> I try
[16:28] <techbw> type about:plugins in address bar
[16:28] <shawnmstout> also make sure u didnt have the browser opened before the install
[16:28] <bazhang> with :
[16:28] <shawnmstout> if u did restart firefox
[16:29] <shawnmstout> baz just tutored spot on basic command line navigation in linux so atleast now he know how to get around the terminal
[16:29] <shawnmstout> u can also test it this way
[16:29] <shawnmstout> http://www.javatester.org/version.html
[16:29] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Trying to restart FF
[16:29] <shawnmstout> k
[16:31] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: I have just tryed if it worked, it dosent! So i just go look i Add-ons
[16:31] <shawnmstout> type in the browser this
[16:31] <shawnmstout> http://www.javatester.org/version.html
[16:31] <sven_> hello, who can help me to install my smartphone htc to kubuntu?
[16:32] <shawnmstout> sven, sorry man, have no experience with that one
[16:33] <shawnmstout> but this might help
[16:33] <shawnmstout> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=901284
[16:33] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Seems to work in there ( The link )
[16:33] <shawnmstout> nice
[16:33] <shawnmstout> then it might be a rights issue then i would add that site to your trusted sites
[16:33] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: But in netbanking, it dosent
[16:33] <shawnmstout> see if that helps
[16:34] <shawnmstout> in firefox
[16:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Ok, ill try
[16:34] <shawnmstout> we atleast know now that its not an issue with java not being installed correctly
[16:35] <Sp0tKubuntu> Yes
[16:35] <shawnmstout> sven, did that help?
[16:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Every time i try to go to the page, FF got stuck, have to KILL
[16:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> Only that page
[16:36] <shawnmstout> any java errors at bottom of the page?
[16:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: Nothing at all
[16:37] <shawnmstout> should show up as a exclamation mark on bottom left side
[16:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> shawnmstout: It just say, loading java
[16:37] <shawnmstout> dont know if this would shed some light on the issue but
[16:37] <shawnmstout> google netbanking java
[16:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> Maybe
[16:38] <shawnmstout> and u will see there are some issues with them and java
[16:38] <shawnmstout> specifically
[16:38] <shawnmstout> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-June/117527.html
[16:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> yeah, i try that, and go to danish forum searching for 64 bit users, also using java for netbanking! But thanks alot for all of your help :-)
[16:38] <shawnmstout> no prob man
[16:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> :-)
[16:39] <shawnmstout> atleast ur leaving with some knowledge
[16:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> I will walk the dog know, he is looking so sad! :-D
[16:39] <sven_> hello, all, when I follow the instructions here: http://www.synce.org/moin/SynceWithUbuntu, it gives me: http://www.synce.org/moin/SynceWithUbuntu
[16:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> Thats right! Or i just have to go back to 32 bit, but not so nice, then my RAM are not present, i have 4Gb
[16:39] <sven_> sven@AMD2800:~$ sudo apt-get install synce-hal librra0-tools librapi2-tools
[16:39] <shawnmstout> sven did u see the link i gave u?
[16:39] <sven_> [sudo] password for sven:
[16:39] <sven_> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
[16:40] <sven_> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd
[16:40] <sven_> De status informatie wordt gelezen... Klaar
[16:40] <sven_> synce-hal is reeds de nieuwste versie.
[16:40] <sven_> Pakket librra0-tools is een virtueel pakket voorzien door:
[16:40] <sven_>   librra-tools 0.13-0ubuntu0~ppa1~intrepid1
[16:40] <sven_> U dient er één expliciet te selecteren voor installatie.
[16:40] <sven_> E: Pakket librra0-tools heeft geen installeerbare kandidaat
[16:40] <shawnmstout> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=901284
[16:40] <sven_> shawnmstout: no
[16:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> pastebin.com
[16:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> !paste
[16:40] <sven_> shawnmstout: the link isnt what im looking for
[16:41] <shawnmstout> explain then
[16:41] <techbw> does anyone in here use dialup connection for gprs or hsdpa through thier phone?
[16:41] <shawnmstout> tech no, sorry
[16:41] <sven_> shawnmstout: I just want my htc connected via usb and ready to copy files in :)
[16:42] <shawnmstout> i dont do anythign dialup
[16:42] <shawnmstout> heh
[16:42] <shawnmstout> so some type of syncing then
[16:43] <shawnmstout> reading
[16:43] <techbw> well I don't normally either, but I travel purposes, I want to link my phone to pc and connect gprs/3g/hsdpa
[16:43] <shawnmstout> im taking u have tried synce right?
[16:43] <olli__> tech, I've been using a dialup connection with a pcmcia modem a while ago
[16:43] <techbw> but I am stuck, got the phone picked up, I can dialout, but it says no carrier
[16:43] <techbw> and disconnects
[16:44] <techbw> any ideas
[16:44] <shawnmstout> tech a better solution might be to get internet on your phone
[16:44] <techbw> it's sucks, and many times have attachments etc. that need to be sent
[16:44] <shawnmstout> or a phone card for a laptop from your wireless carrier
[16:44] <techbw> so on the phone won't work
[16:44] <shawnmstout> you can do that via vnc
[16:45] <shawnmstout> dialup is not the best option for anything imo
[16:45] <techbw> I have the link setup in windows, on another laptop, so it is working, just a configuration issue
[16:45] <olli__> tech, is your pin set correctly, what software do you use networkmanager, wvdial....?
[16:45] <shawnmstout> better to have a upload repository on the internet or use a vnc connection to transfer files
[16:45] <techbw> especially in kubuntu, or other disto's ... even broadband pppoe connections are not easy to setup for noobs
[16:46] <shawnmstout> honestly i use a website with a secure folder to upload and download from
[16:46] <shawnmstout> example www.cshelp.us/files
[16:46] <techbw> to use vnc and internet you need to be connected etc...so that is basically what I want to do ... use my phone as a modem
[16:46] <shawnmstout> who is your wireless carrier?
[16:47] <techbw> mascom wireless in botswana...and they have no clue on windows, so asking them about linux config will never happen.
[16:47] <shawnmstout> no just wanted to find out something
[16:47] <untitled> hello. What can I do to remove kde4.2 and get 4.1.3 back?
[16:47] <techbw> I basically have the thing setup, just need to find out why it is saying no carrier, when there clearly is
[16:48] <shawnmstout> are u using the proper extension to dial home
[16:48] <shawnmstout> did u closely look at the number that is dialing
[16:49] <shawnmstout> might be putting a 1 where it shouldnt or dialing the area code where its local for example
[16:49] <shawnmstout> another thing u might want to do is
[16:49] <shawnmstout> put a ,, before the number
[16:49] <techbw> what do you mean to dial home, I am dialing *99# which is to open a gprs/3g/hsdpa connection with a cellular provider when using a cellphone as a modem
[16:49] <shawnmstout> so it gives it time to pick up a dial tone
[16:49] <shawnmstout> ,, = pauses
[16:49] <techbw> 1 sec pauses,,,tried that
[16:50] <shawnmstout> lets do this
[16:50] <shawnmstout> just as a test
[16:50] <techbw> ?
[16:50] <shawnmstout> do you have a regular phone where u are at?
[16:50] <shawnmstout> right now?
[16:50] <shawnmstout> make ur computer dial that number and see if it rings through
[16:50] <shawnmstout> when u pick it up see if it sounds like a modem ring
[16:51] <techbw> yep, tried using the number to dial out, it dials on the phone screen then dies, with no carrier message
[16:51] <shawnmstout> then its not reaching out
[16:51] <shawnmstout> has to be a number issue
[16:51] <techbw> if I use a cellphone connection software for making calls they go through
[16:51] <techbw> but it is not for internet
[16:52] <shawnmstout> so lets look inside the cellphone connection software and see if there is any extra digits that are added to it
[16:52] <shawnmstout> if its gettting no carrier
[16:52] <shawnmstout> then its not dialing out properly
[16:52] <techbw> will try that, just don't know where to look for that info
[16:52] <shawnmstout> and has to be a phone number issue
[16:52] <shawnmstout> maybe in settings?
[16:52] <shawnmstout> or configuration
[16:53] <shawnmstout> i believe its something that ur phone is adding to the number or taking away from imo
[16:53] <shawnmstout> thats what it sounds like atleast
[16:55] <olli__> tech, what programm do you use to dial out on kubuntu?
[16:55] <techbw> if I dial out with the number that I enter into kmobiletools, which is a program to send sms, etc....then it rings through, I do exactly the same thing with kppp or wvdial, and it bangs out no carrier....and the config, is right, cos the thing dials to the phone, but seems the phone is rejecting it, maybe not registering as data call
[16:55] <olli__> kppp?
[16:55] <techbw> yeah...what other program...wvdial as well
[16:56] <olli__> do you have a connection string set up?
[16:56] <olli__> like AT+CGDCONT=1,IP,www.plusgsm.pl..
[16:56] <techbw> i do yes
[16:57] <olli__> can you open a terminal in kppp and try the at commands one at a time?
[16:58] <techbw> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=, ,internet.mascom
[16:58] <techbw> AT+CGDCONT=, ,internet.mascom
[16:58] <techbw> ERROR
[16:58] <techbw> yep, still does the same thing, but no errors till it comes up with no carrier
[16:58] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm! I have just changed in software sources, and choose un supporteed an pre-released, now in Adept, i say almost "broken" on all packages? Why is that? Im on Kubuntu 64bit
[17:04] <olli__> hmm, does your phone work with windows?
[17:06] <techbw> sorry was just trying things in ppp terminal...yep both phone and computer worked together when windows was installed, and since i have installed kubuntu I have carrier error, have even installed windows again, to make sure that there is nothing wrong, and it works, so installed kubuntu again, same issue
[17:06] <techbw> been trying for a long time to get it working, search and searched forums, still no good
[17:06] <BluesKaj> !modem
[17:07] <olli__> ok are you sure you have the right init string for your carrier (at+cgdcont....)?
[17:09] <techbw> I copied the init string from nokia program in windows, uses the same, and checked online ,...the init string for mascom is documented
[17:10] <techbw> the funny thing is it dials out to the phone, but from phone outward not dialing (what I mean is it displays that it is dialing out on the phone scree)
[17:11] <Sp0tKubuntu> Hmm! I have just changed in software sources, and choose un supporteed an pre-released, now in Adept, i say almost "broken" on all packages? Why is that? Im on Kubuntu 64bit
[17:11] <techbw> then drops back in kubuntu kppp no carrier...nothing else
[17:11] <olewolf> I'm trying to add tags and comments to files from Dolphin on KDE 4.2 (on Intrepid, installed from the launchpad repos). Apparently neither the comments nor the tags are stored. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it just my computer?
[17:12] <techbw> Sp0tKubuntu:you probably upgraded some of the dependancies, not all the software being upgraded, in the process, that happened to me as well a while back, had to re-install cos, didn't know what else to do
[17:12] <olli__> but the "no carrier" error only happens if you try to actually dial a number, the at+cgdcont.... reports ok?
[17:13] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: Reinstall os? And then dont set the software sources again?
[17:13] <techbw> yep...everything reports ok till dial of the actual number
[17:13] <bazhang> Sp0tKubuntu, thus their being named unsupported
[17:13] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: Just use the default software sources?
[17:14] <techbw> Sp0tKubuntu: becarefull which sources you add, as it might not be meant for your version, eg: feisty etc
[17:14] <Sp0tKubuntu> bazhang: I know! Just tryed to get Java to work in 64 bit, an i figure, maybe yet unsupportet, thats why i ask to fecth the packages
[17:14] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: Yeah, i have learned now, again! :-D The hard way! REINSTALL
[17:14] <techbw> lol
[17:14] <[BlackBuRn]> in interpid ibex 8.10 in jocked hardware manager shows that am i have ati radeon graphic card [wich is true] but when i click on activate buttion nothing happend, what can be problem?
[17:15] <Sp0tKubuntu> Just want java to run in 64 bit, and now i have found a guide, testet, working, in danish! :-)
[17:15] <techbw> yeah...I stay away from upgrade via internet...I usually download the alternate ...although don't think i will be upgrading to 8.10 don't like kde4.2
[17:15] <techbw> i prefere 3.5
[17:15] <techbw> because it is lightweight
[17:15] <Sp0tKubuntu> So i go for that, just have to reinstall! :-) Should i go 32 bit and cant see my RAM, or should i go 64 bit?
[17:16] <Sp0tKubuntu> Maybe i should try Kubuntu 8.04 64 bit then? techbw
[17:16] <techbw> how much ram you have, that it does not see it?
[17:16] <[BlackBuRn]> in interpid ibex 8.10 in jocked hardware manager shows that am i have ati radeon graphic card [wich is true] but when i click on activate buttion nothing happend, what can be problem? , and after downloading the drives and compiling it [same way worked in 8.04] in 8.10 wont shows me the kdm
[17:16] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have 4Gb, in 32Bit shows 0B
[17:16] <Sp0tKubuntu> In 64 bit, shows 4Gb
[17:16] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw:
[17:16] <techbw> lol,,,have not seen that...8.04 running fine...
[17:16] <failers> its not only the ram that counts if you wanna use 64bit its also the graphic cards memory and cpus cache also
[17:17] <olli__> tech, can't you dial any number, like atdt xxxxxxxx or is it just the atdt *99***1# that aint working?
[17:17] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have a nice computer, no problem
[17:17] <techbw> stay with 64bit if you have 64bit cpu...you'll get better performance from your pc.
[17:17] <Sp0tKubuntu> Intel Core Duo 2 x 2Ghz, with 945 chipset from intel, and 4Gb RAM
[17:17] <Sp0tKubuntu> I have 64 bit CPU
[17:18] <techbw> oli__>:no number...even if i dial 123 it fails...looks like it is dialing on the cellphone screen then bombs out to no carrier error
[17:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> But then i should maybe go Kubuntu 8.04, but is that better than 8.10? Not supported so long?
[17:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw:
[17:18] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: problem is that i like KDE 4.x, the old one looks, old.. :-D
[17:18] <techbw> i use 32bit on core2 duo...no problem but then again i am on 8.04
[17:19] <techbw> then 8.10 for you
[17:19] <olli__> tech, really odd, ultimate advice: try kppp as root ;)
[17:19] <techbw> kdesu kppp?
[17:19] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: There is no 8.04 64 bit then?
[17:19] <failers> yes there is
[17:19] <failers> i got it :o
[17:19] <techbw> not sure
[17:19] <techbw> yes there is
[17:19] <techbw> i got 1 of each from shipit
[17:20] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: Ah ok! But you mean i should get 4.x if i like it = 8.10, and not 8.04
[17:20] <techbw> friken hell...in root have to configure everything again kppp??
[17:20] <olli__> don't know if this could be a user issue, is your user in the dialout group?20t252
[17:21] <techbw> 8.10 is fine...i prefer 8.04 due to old interface on slow laptop...if I had a decent graphics card would be on 8.10 on my desktop...but can't go that route...cos no graphics card support for sis
[17:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: I also have problems showing my battery mode in KDE 4, but not in Kubuntu 8.04, i see KDE 4 uses Guidance Power Manager, while KDE3 uses Power Manager! Can i then just uninstall Guidance, and install Power manager?
[17:21] <failers> get nvidia plx :P
[17:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> On KDE4
[17:21] <rain__> KDE4 is so slow
[17:21] <failers> rain__ not for me :o
[17:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> techbw: Ahh ok
[17:22] <failers> but then i got kinda good graphic card :P
[17:22] <Sp0tKubuntu> KDE 4 is very slow yes, compared to KDE3
[17:22] <rain__> that's what mean
[17:22] <[BlackBuRn]> in interpid ibex 8.10 in jocked hardware manager shows that am i have ati radeon graphic card [wich is true] but when i click on activate buttion nothing happend, what can be problem? , and after downloading the drives and compiling it [same way worked in 8.04] in 8.10 wont shows me the kdm
[17:22] <olewolf> I'm kind of happy KDE 4 is so slow. Considering how unstable it is, if it were any faster, it would crash more often.
[17:22] <rain__> i prefer working on the old kde3
[17:22] <OutoLumo> In my experience KDE4 is actually somewhat faster than KDE3...
[17:23] <[BlackBuRn]> kde 3 is better
[17:23] <failers> yea i dont see any slowness in kde4 either :/
[17:23] <OutoLumo> I still use 3.5 for the moment.
[17:23] <ghostcube> oO
[17:23] <techbw> don't really know...if what you can install and get working in 8.10..only had it installed for like 10min...imo it totally sucks, don't like the interface, even trying to go back to kde3.5 it bombed out ended up re-installing 8.04 last night
[17:23] <[BlackBuRn]> too bad, kde 3.5 not gonna be upadated
[17:24] <Sp0tKubuntu> Maybe thats why DVD lags on KDE4 on my machine? I have tryed all kind of things! But it works fine i Ubuntu, only 2 codes installed
[17:24] <failers> techbw the only difference is the desktop folder you can almost get the rest to look like 3.5 :P
[17:24] <kristina> hi, how do I remove all plasmoids in 8.10 in order to install kde 4.2?
[17:24] <Sp0tKubuntu> yeah, thats also why i dont want to go KDE3.5 [BlackBuRn]
[17:24] <OutoLumo> Many years ago I realized that KDE 4.0 + one year would be good release. Well, Answer is here, and from what I've heard it's usable.
[17:25] <olewolf> kristina: doesn't the dist-upgrade uninstall them automatically?
[17:25] <techbw> yeah, but the desktop effects don't work with sis graphics, so was forced to go back...it is still buggy...even not using the advanced effects.,, just the clear looks type backgrounds are buggy
[17:25] <Sp0tKubuntu> OutoLumo: You say KDE4 is better then KDE3?
[17:25] <failers> its definitly usable unless you got some integrated graphic card :P
[17:25] <OutoLumo> Sp0tKubuntu, I don't think its that black and white.
[17:25] <Sp0tKubuntu> i got intergrated graphic yes
[17:25] <aanderse> i have an integrated intel video card, kde4 runs like a dream
[17:26] <rain__> the whole process of kde4 is very strange --- image you have a 21" screen and a small portion of it is the usuable desktop
[17:26] <Sp0tKubuntu> OutoLumo: Ok! :-)
[17:26] <olewolf> Has no-one attempted to use the tags and the comments in Dolphin on KDE 4.2?
[17:26] <techbw> oli__>: I missed a post of yours...don't know how to check if it is in the dialout group
[17:26] <OutoLumo> I think that in total 4.2 gets somewhat even with 3.5, though there are some regressions, there are also some improvements. The real difference is, that KDE4 has future ;)
[17:27] <olli__> tech nevermind, did you try running kppp as root yet?
[17:27] <techbw> I can't stand kde4, too much like vista...and I moved away from windows to get away from that crappy interface...and os in general, now the bringing the whole thing to linux as well ????
[17:27] <Sp0tKubuntu> OutoLumo:  Thats right, but it seems a little to heavy!
[17:27] <techbw> yep...same issue, but this time nothing on the phone screen comes up.
[17:28] <techbw> oli__>yep...same issue, but this time nothing on the phone screen comes up.
[17:28] <OutoLumo> The thing just happens to be that I need to repartition my hard disk sometime around here, which means that I need to do a complete re-install, which means that I can just as well skip Ibex.
[17:28] <techbw> oli__>:yep...same issue, but this time nothing on the phone screen comes up.
[17:28] <failers> the problem is that kde updates and most people computers dont and those computers are from 1989 so no wonder no one likes a bit more grahpic content ^^
[17:28] <rain__> i guess the majority in here are ok that kde4 sucks big time
[17:28] <olli__> so the "no carrier" message only appears in the kppp terminal ?
[17:28] <Sp0tKubuntu> i like the look in vista, so im glad for KDE4, that it look alot like Vista, then its not to much to handle, the change from windows to linux
[17:28] <antonia> hey guys, are there any plans to include kd4.2 in the standard 8.10 repos in the future?
[17:29] <rain__> what changes are made in 4.2
[17:29] <rain__> ???\
[17:29] <techbw> oli__>:no it does it when I use wvdial as well
[17:29] <OutoLumo> One thing I love in linux is the customizability. Themes can be changed, and I just love to tinker with all those settings. No way one could confuse my system with Windows or Mac.
[17:29] <antonia> rain__: go to kubuntu.org and check out the article major improvements are with kdm and plasma
[17:30] <OutoLumo> Though its rough and ugly desktop, its MY desktop!
[17:30] <rain__> i am on it
[17:30] <techbw> oli__>:phone is connected...cos kmobiletools dials out to a number no problem, but the program does not open gprs link so can't use the program to connect to internet
[17:30] <olewolf> rain__: you'll find a variety of improvements, such as an auto-hiding kicker, previews in the on-desktop folder widgets, sliders for the preview sizes in Dolphin, better desktop effects, etc.
[17:30] <mikesa81> does anyone know off hand a channel to ask about Qt installation?
[17:30] <failers> rain__: 4.2 is even more stable for me :o
[17:30] <techbw> you can list channels with /list command
[17:30] <antonia> rain__: click on the release anouncment
[17:30] <failers> than 4.1
[17:31] <OutoLumo> Especially the autohiding kicker has been a showstopper for me.
[17:31] <antonia> mikesa81: i can help with qt installation
[17:31] <failers> OutoLumo what is kicker?
[17:31] <failers> :P
[17:31] <OutoLumo> failers, sets say, "panel"
[17:31] <olewolf> failers: the kicker is the "taskbar" in the bottom of the screen.
[17:31] <failers> oh
[17:31] <olewolf> failers: you know, where all the window thumbnails drop down.
[17:31] <mikesa81> antonia: thanks! well I downloaded 4.4.3 and when i run "make" i get errors.
[17:32] <techbw> oli__>:phone is connected...cos kmobiletools dials out to a number no problem, but the program does not open gprs link so can't use the program to connect to internet
[17:32] <failers> olewolf yep i know ^^
[17:32] <antonia> mikesa81: answer to install qt should be 'apt-get install qt4-dev-tools'
[17:32] <rain__> does anybody knwos a Nagios interface where i can add hosts
[17:32] <mikesa81> antonia: i'm not sure what i should be doing to correct the situation. ok, well i was trying to do it manually but i'll try that, brb
[17:32] <OutoLumo> Lets face it: 4.0 was alpha to get people interested 4.1 was beta with flesh on the bones and 4.2 is the first one for production tools, though there still is lot to do left.
[17:33] <antonia> mikesa81: its probably bad to compile from source when everythings in apt, but to resolve compile errors make sure that you have all the dependencies, and then make sure your using the same version of gcc
[17:33] <olli__> tech:> im lost here, I guess it's a problem with the init string, here's an old thread where a similar problem is described :http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-746796.html
[17:33] <antonia> mikesa81: theres usualy a .configure script or something that checks to make sure you meet dependencies andwarns you if you dont that your supposed to run before compiling
[17:33] <[BlackBuRn]> Anyone having problems with ati radeon fglrx drivers and kubuntu interpd ibex 8.10
[17:33] <techbw> i think i have been through all the forums, with this error, been searching for quite a while for a solution
[17:34] <OutoLumo> But what I really like about KDE4 is the technology platform. I fully expect KDE4 to have a long lifecycle.
[17:34] <antonia> mikesa81: not sure how qt source does it, but i'm guessing therell be some sort of script there
[17:34] <[BlackBuRn]> Anyone having problems with ati radeon fglrx drivers and kubuntu interpd ibex 8.10
[17:34] <failers> any one got nvidia here?, wich driver are you using
[17:34] <kristina> olewolf: well I'm getting problems with some packages needing libplasma3, but libplasma is not going to be installed...
[17:34] <techbw> the wierd thing is it dials with kmobiletools to my other line, no problem, kppp says no you don't have a friken carrier
[17:34] <techbw> say whaaaaaattT::
[17:34] <rain__> anyone can help about nagios
[17:34] <rain__> ?
[17:34] <mikesa81> antonia: i run ./configure before i run make, it takes awhile but i dont think it produces any errors... ok well apt-get says 0 newly installed. Do you have experience using Qdevelop?
[17:35] <olewolf> kristina: I'm having problems with that, too. I just decided I'd wait until KDE 4.2 is an official part of the Kubuntu repositories.
[17:35]  * cllaudyu heloo 2 all
[17:35] <failers> any one got nvidia here?, wich driver are you using?
[17:35] <fosco_> failers: 180
[17:35] <failers> 180.?
[17:35] <failers> :)
[17:36] <mikesa81> antonia: When i try to build anything in QDevelop it tells me I have to build first (even though I did!) then nothing...
[17:36] <olli__> tech, never give up since the modem is present and atz reports ok you got to  able to make a connection somehow...
[17:36] <olewolf> How do you determine which nvidia driver you'r eusing?
[17:36] <Atom330> hello i am online on irc with the iphone
[17:36] <kristina> olewolf: can I get kde 3 in kubuntu 8.10?
[17:36] <antonia> mikesa81: I usually use kate with qt-assistant open on the side to look at functions, if i need an interesting gui
[17:36] <failers> fosco_ 180.? :P and do you see any graphical bugs like i do in 180.27
[17:36] <antonia> mikesa81: sorry cant help you there, if you make the c++ files etc then type qmake-qt if the directory and type make it should work
[17:36] <olewolf> kristina: I'm not sure you can, but perhaps someone else can answer that question?
[17:36] <fosco_> no bugs here
[17:36] <fosco_> jaunty alpha4 kde4.2
[17:36] <failers> fosco_ ok wich of the 180
[17:36] <techbw> i aggree...somehow...but for now i will stop,,,,got a headache from trying to figure out whats wrong...found a program that i am going to try if that fails then till tomorrow
[17:37] <failers> fosco_ 180.25 ? or 180.22 or 180.15 or 180.11 :P ?
[17:37] <Atom330> jaunty is full with bugs i a lazy tester doesnt report everthibg he finds
[17:37] <fosco_> ii  nvidia-glx-180    180.27-0ubuntu1     NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
[17:37] <failers> fosco_ ok thanks
[17:38] <kristina> olewolf: ok tnx. so you don't think that the problem with libplasma3 is that the kde 4.2 plasmoids are not uninstalled?
[17:38] <failers> fosco_ then i guess its just mu gpu that isnt fully supported i guess :P
[17:38] <kristina> olewolf: 4.1 plasmoids sorry
[17:38] <fosco_> maybe, 8600GT here
[17:38] <failers> 9600m gt here
[17:38] <failers> :/
[17:39] <olewolf> kristina: well, I do know I lost some 4.1 plasmoids during the upgrade, and I'd expect that libplasma3 is the culprit. I vaguely recall that the dist-upgrade to 4.2 uninstalled them.
[17:39] <mikesa81> antonia: ok i'm going to try that.
[17:39] <[BlackBuRn]> Anyone having problems with ati radeon fglrx drivers and kubuntu interpd ibex 8.10/
[17:40] <[BlackBuRn]> that after installing the drivers, u reboot ur system and motior goes off and showing nothing?
[17:40] <[BlackBuRn]> monitor*
[17:40] <techbw> huh! gprs easy connect worked wonders.....after setting port speed to 9600...
[17:41] <olli__> tech, really?
[17:41] <techbw> don't know how fast the link will be if port speed is at 9600, but that is better than nothing
[17:41] <techbw> will try and set faster later...let me learn what the hell is going on under the hood, and then increase the speed
[17:42] <techbw> got so exited it made a connected that I moved and irda lost link lol
[17:42] <olli__> tech, great, good luck trying...
[17:43] <mikesa81> antonia: ok, i make a file helloqt.cpp when i type "make helloqt.cpp" it says nothing to be done...
[17:43] <syockit> that's not how you compile
[17:45] <failers> mikesa81 you use gcc
[17:45] <failers> not make
[17:45] <failers> :P
[17:45] <failers> !gcc
[17:46] <techbw> thanks, hope to get the speed higher, luckily 99.9% of time i am broadband, this is basically a backup link, for on the road and so on or when power here is out...or whatever
[17:46] <failers> ok that didnt help much
[17:46] <failers> mikesa81 google gcc
[17:46] <crs> Hi guys. where can I find info about upgrading 7.10 to newest available version?
[17:47] <mikesa81> failers: ok, thanks
[17:49] <OutoLumo> crs, off-hand instructions: 0) make sure that /home is a separate partition 1) Backup all 2) edit /etc/apt/sources.list 3) sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:53] <[BlackBuRn]> Anyone having problems with ati radeon fglrx drivers and kubuntu interpd ibex 8.10
[17:53] <khalidmian> BluesKaj: i installed kubuntu with windows using virtual box but for some reason kubuntu doesnt recongnize my nvidia card any suggestions? also i am so far unable to install the guest software in Kubuntu wondering if any help can be provided
[17:53] <[BlackBuRn]> that after installing the drivers, u reboot ur system and motior goes off and showing nothing?
[17:55] <khalidmian> i installed kubuntu within  windows using virtual box but for some reason kubuntu doesnt recongnize my nvidia card any suggestions? also i am so far unable to install the guest software in Kubuntu wondering if any help can be provided
[17:56] <BluesKaj> khalidmian , which nvidia card and what do you mean by "guest software" ?
[17:56] <failers> are you in windows using virtual box and installing kubuntu in virtual box or ?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> khalidmian, didn't know one could run VB on the windows platform
[17:58] <khalidmian> virtual box guest software for guest client
[17:59] <charolastra> hi, just tried the update to kde 4.2; now kde isn't listed in kdm anymore and won't start; "/usr/lib/kde4/../kdm/kdmrc not found" is mentioned; any idea what i could do now?
[17:59] <khalidmian> yes vb is possible within any win or mac o/s
[17:59] <crs> Al what I need to do is to get a newest flash. I have got 7.10. Where can I find debs with newest flash?
[17:59] <crs> All*
[18:00] <khalidmian> BluesKaj: i have nvidia geforce go 7600
[18:01] <khalidmian> BluesKaj: sun vitual box installation is poss in Windows or Mac
[18:02] <rain__> i need help in NAGIOS
[18:02] <khalidmian> BluesKaj: The only two things i want to resolve are video card dtetction and guest software for kubuntu
[18:03] <cuznt> !nagios
[18:03] <rain__> don't worry ubottu
[18:04] <charolastra> how can i revert to kde 4.1?
[18:05] <khalidmian> no clue eh?
[18:05] <rain__> wala fekra
[18:05] <BluesKaj> khalidmian , open adept and install nvidia-glx-177 driver
[18:07] <rain__> how can you know my kde version
[18:07] <rain__> *i
[18:08] <failers> log out and login then the splash screen says starting kde 4.1 or kde 4.2 :P
[18:08] <rain__> lol
[18:09] <mikesa81> can someone tell me the difference between compile and building a program?
[18:10] <fosco_> mikesa81: in most cases is the same
[18:13] <thedark> I am trying to get Korean input working. I have installed SCIM and Korean language support, but when I try to load SCIM in the commandline I get the following error:http://paste.ubuntu.com/115329/
[18:13] <mikesa81> fosco_: im confused because im using an ide to build a project, it finishes without error but when i try to run it, it says a project doesnt exist and i should run build, but i just did! so frustrated!
[18:13] <charolastra> failers: what if the sceen blinks and gets right back to kdm?
[18:13] <fosco_> mikesa81: no idea
[18:19] <BluesKaj> rain, open konqueror /help/ about kde
[18:21] <BluesKaj> mikesa81, install build-essential
[18:23] <mikesa81> BluesKaj: already have the newest version installed thanks. anything else it could be?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> mikesa81, what is your project base , media, text/code or ..  ?
[18:25] <mikesa81> BluesKaj: completely basic, i want to try a helloqt.cpp example!
[18:28] <BluesKaj> mikesa81 , check this out http://tinyurl.com/c2q7gl
[18:29] <stdin> probably easier to use Qt Creator IDE
[18:30] <sven_> does anyone knows a mp3-editor?
[18:31] <mikesa81> BluesKaj: ive installed qt4 through apt-get, shouldn't everything just work? the document describes installation for windows.
[18:31] <syockit> sven_: edit wave data? or tags?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> editor . what , convert to different format ?
[18:31] <stdin> mikesa81: did you install the -dev packages?
[18:32] <sven_> syockit: wave data
[18:32] <olewolf> sven_: audacity
[18:32] <sven_> olewolf: can it save mp3 format?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> mikesa81, sry , i used google-linux to find that page , assumed it was relavent ...google-linux is getting worse and worse :(
[18:33] <olewolf> sven_: yes, I've had success with that. It may require a plug-in, but nothing that isn't available from the repositories.
[18:33] <Watkins> how do you tell what version on kubuntu you're using?
[18:33] <mikesa81> stdin: yes i installed qt4-dev-tools
[18:34] <syockit> sven_: I think audacity can open mp3 provided you have lame installed
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Watkins , lsb_release -a
[18:34] <olewolf> syockit, sven_: yes, it can open mp3 files.
[18:35] <Watkins> how do you install a older version of ubuntu?
[18:36] <syockit> Watkins: lsb_release -a
[18:36] <Watkins> ty
[18:36] <syockit> Watkins: and downgrading is a pain. clean reinstall is less risky
[18:37] <Watkins> I've installed different styles for the kubuntu, but I can't switch to them through the appearance, can anyone help me with that?
[18:37] <Watkins> I want the qtcurve look :s
[18:38] <KDesk> !firewall
[18:38] <KDesk> hi
[18:38] <fidji> http://paste.ubuntu.com/115337/
[18:38]  * agb67 is away: Per ora assente
[18:38] <syockit> Watkins: download kde4 version of qtcurve
[18:38] <fidji> sorry not for this chan
[18:38] <KDesk> Is in Kubuntu the firewall by default off?
[18:39] <Watkins> syockit that's "apt-get qtcurve-kde4" right?
[18:40] <syockit> Watkins: no, I think it's not in repo
[18:41] <BluesKaj> !guardog
[18:41] <syockit> Watkins: ah, there is!
[18:41] <BluesKaj> !guarddog
[18:41] <BluesKaj> It is not normally necessary to install a firewall on a Kubuntu system, because by default, access to the system is closed. However, if you run any services which you allow other computers to access (for example, the Apache web server), it is advisable to install a firewall. Guarddog is a program which allows you to control Linux's firewall through a graphical interface.
[18:41] <syockit> Watkins: apt-get install kde4-style-qtcurve
[18:41] <Watkins> ah, thank you
[18:43] <KDesk> BluesKaj: do you know if the firewall is on of off by default?
[18:43] <olewolf> KDesk: it's on.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> KDesk , dunno , I assume "on"
[18:44] <BluesKaj> what good is FW if you have to turn it on everytime you login :)
[18:44] <KDesk> Thanks, I was almost sure it was off. Because I haven't had problems with this, now I have some ports closed... let's see it this is the firewall or mi internet provider.
[18:47] <Watkins> anyone know how to install "gtk style and fonts"
[18:48] <Wulong> System settings -> apperance
[18:48] <quadaptor> why uses libxml the system zlib.so instead of the given one? http://dpaste.com/117815/
[18:50] <stdin> quadaptor: because it just links to that zlib, it doesn't set an rpath
[18:52] <quadaptor> stdin: no, there a real files.
[18:53] <stdin> quadaptor: without an rpath ld will look for ibz.so.1 in standard places
[18:55] <quadaptor> stdin: rpath = real path?  http://dpaste.com/117837/
[18:55] <axiom> kde 4.2 here.  When I try to add the Notes plasmoid, I get a message like  "plama "this object could not be created for the following reason: Could not find reqested component: plasma_applet_notes".  Advice?
[18:56] <stdin> quadaptor: rpath = runtime path, it's a linker option that tells the dynamic linker where to search for libraries before the system directories
[18:58] <quadaptor> stdin: oh! so all "--with-XYZ="-dirs must available in rpath?
[18:59] <stdin> quadaptor: when linking there is no rpath set, so even though it links to the library you specify it's looking in the standard places for it
[19:00] <blackwaltz> Okay, so I've got a question, I've installed Intrepid on a friends computer, and can't seem to get X to work with the intel driver (it's an i845)
[19:01] <quadaptor> stdin: okay, i understand. damn! i think, i must recompile all my apps/libs with a modified rpath. :-(
[19:11] <quadaptor> stdin: i try to create a portable lamp-stack, bundled with all libs. thats right, it doesn't work without modified /etc/ld.so.conf on all the source systems?
[19:12] <stdin> quadaptor: you don't need to modify ld.so.conf if you use rpath, then the path is stored in the binary and ld looks there first
[19:14] <agb67> hi, I upgraded my eeepc 4G to KDE4.2 today, but I got problems with keyboard (unable to use). Any help, please?
[19:16] <quadaptor> stdin: sorry, i don't understand! while compiling, the compiler looks to to rpath (defined by ld.so.conf?) for libs and use there? thats right? is the path to libs in the binary static or use there the ld.so.conf-pathes, too?
[19:17] <stdin> quadaptor: rpath is not used while compiling, only linking. it stores the path in the binary created and tells ld to search that path before any default paths or paths specified in ld.so.conf
[19:20] <quadaptor> stdin: yeah, but why my binaries doesn't use the given path (thats stored in binary), but use the path defined in ld.so.conf?
[19:21] <stdin> quadaptor: have you set the rpath?
[19:21] <[BlackBuRn]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/326647
[19:22] <quadaptor> stdin: you mean RPATH="/path/to/my/libs"?
[19:22] <stdin> quadaptor: it's not an environment variable, it's a linker option
[19:22] <khalidmian> BluesKaj: sorry how did you say i can get the drivers for Nvidia again?
[19:23] <quadaptor> stdin: where i can find it? in configure-script?
[19:23] <quadaptor> stdin: i doesn't set any linker option, i think so.
[19:25] <stdin> quadaptor: it may be a configure option, but you can set LD_FLAGS to "-rpath /some/dir"
[19:25] <lovre> how can i download from rapidshare? I tried using KGet, but it downloads a small (12.5kb) file and says download complete...?
[19:25] <quadaptor> ah okay, i'll try it
[19:25] <stdin> lovre: they don't let you use download managers with rapidshare
[19:25] <lovre> stdin: :o
[19:25] <khalidmian> looking for drivers for nvidia geforce 7600 for kubuntu that i have installed under vbox environment
[19:25] <lovre> stdin: i didnt know that. why is that*
[19:26] <stdin> lovre: I think you have to pay for that ability
[19:26] <lovre> stdin: i have payed, i have a premium account
[19:26] <stdin> lovre: then it's probably that it needs a cookie set, that isn't being given to kget
[19:27] <lovre> stdin: yea, i thouth of that. how do i "give" it the cookie?
[19:27] <lovre> stdin: i dont see in options anywhere the option for any login or something
[19:28] <khalidmian> any help pls
[19:28] <lovre> stdin: i read somewhere kget uses same cookies as konqueror, and i log in from konqueror but nothing, still same...
[19:29] <lorenzo> hi
[19:30] <khalidmian> looking for drivers for nvidia geforce 7600 for kubuntu that i have installed under vbox environment- would appreciate help
[19:30] <lovre> khalidmian: doesnt it offer to install proprietary drivers?
[19:32] <khalidmian> lovre: since i have kubuntu running in virtual box environment it has not dtetcted my nvidia card or hasnt offered me to install prporietary drivers
[19:32] <stdin> lovre: I don't know, maybe #kde does
[19:33] <lovre> khalidmian: run jockey-kde from konsole and see if there is a driver in the list, select it and press Enable
[19:33] <failers> since he is using it in virtual box nvidia isnt his graphic card device
[19:34] <failers> its some random thing virtual box gives the os
[19:34] <failers> so he wont be able to install some nvidia drivers
[19:34] <failers> so unless kubuntu aint working with vesa or preinstalled drivers you are kinda screwed
[19:34] <khalidmian> lovre: no drivers are in use
[19:34] <lovre> failers: well, never installed it in virtual box so i dont know :/
[19:34] <mefisto__> failers is correct. it will use a generic vbox graphics device
[19:35] <lovre> khalidmian: as failers said, i guess you have to leave it as is
[19:35] <khalidmian> lovre: no drivers listed that i can enable
[19:35] <lovre> khalidmian: or go to nvidia.com and download a driver.
[19:36] <khalidmian> just wondering if i can sudo install maybe it might make a difference?
[19:36] <khalidmian> sudo apt-get install nvidia?
[19:37] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: if you are using kubuntu inside a VirtualBox enviroent, you will have a VirtualBox Graphics adapter, irrespective of what graphics card is in the host computer..
[19:37] <lovre> khalidmian: maybe sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
[19:37] <lovre> khalidmian: but i dont know if that will work
[19:37] <failers> khalidmian why install nvidia drivers when it wont work in virtual box?
[19:38] <agb67> pls, eeepc + kubuntu + KDE4.2 = keyboard doesn't work once I login. Why?
[19:38] <gorgonizer> khalidmian: I have kubuntu 9.04 alpha 4 in a VBox, and I have to either use a vesa driver, or vbox (after installing the GuestAdditions)
[19:38] <Guest86740> Alguém tc em portugues..
[19:38] <Guest86740> ?
[19:38] <failers> !br
[19:38] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: i need to install guest addon how do i get that pls assist
[19:39] <Guest86740> #ubuntu-br
[19:40] <gorgonizer> shut down the Kubuntu VBox (if running), then add the GuestAdditions.iso in the CD/DVD-ROM tab in settings.. it is called VBoxGuestAdditions.iso..
[19:41] <gorgonizer> then after booting into Kubuntu go to /media/cdrom/, then as root run ./VboxLinuxAdditions-x86.run (I think)
[19:41] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: yes but how do i run it i tried but it didnt work wait ill tell u what it said
[19:41]  * agb67 is away: Per ora assente
[19:42] <gorgonizer> ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run is the command you need to run, as root, whilst inside the VBoxGuestAdditions folder..
[19:43] <failers> so "cd /media/cdrom" then "sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run"
[19:43] <failers> and tada
[19:43] <failers> :P
[19:43] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: asks me to open it with dolphin when i do there is the vboxlinuxadditionsx86 run file
[19:44] <gorgonizer> failers: that would indded be it :)
[19:44] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: says i need to run as root
[19:44] <gorgonizer> khalidmian:  I don't like Dolphin, so I do it from the command line... for me, it is easier..
[19:44] <khalidmian> gorgonizer: how do i run it as root
[19:44] <failers> yes use the command line
[19:46] <failers> anyone remember what the firefox addon is called that makes firefox look better when using kde?
[19:47] <PSiL0> damn dolphin.. massively slow in directories with a large amount of files..(no pictures, hence no preview)...on 4.2
[19:47] <failers> PSiL0 command line for the win :)
[19:47] <PSiL0> lol
[19:47] <PSiL0> exactly..
[19:48] <failers> hehe nah i know dolphin is really slow when its many files/folders
[19:49] <PSiL0> failers: kde bugreports state that they fixed the hangup on 4.2...
[19:49] <failers> Oo
[19:50] <PSiL0> failers: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164309
[19:50] <chris-rc1> hi
[19:51] <PSiL0> failers: I had to use google cache since even bringing up the specific bug report is slow :-p
[19:51] <failers> bugs.kde is slow general i mean im on vista here and firefox it takes ages to load the page :o
[19:52] <chris-rc1> is there a way to use a fritz ISDN card with kppp (or any other gui) in hardy? i semm not to be able to figure out the right dev file
[19:53] <kannan> i changed to a color theme in system settings.. thereafter i am unable to open the "system settings" windows.. it keeps crashing.. how can i change the color theme ?
[19:57] <jammen33> anyone have a 5.1 sound card that works with alsa?
[20:01] <failers> any one know a equilevant app to paint?
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> failers: kolorpaint
[20:01] <jammen33> kpaint
[20:01] <failers> thanks
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> !info kolorpaint
[20:01] <jammen33> i think
[20:01] <jammen33> !kpaint
[20:02] <failers> ubottu you are dumb :)
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> !info kolourpaint
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> I use it loads
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> mainly because ms paint is the best gfx package around in my book :D
[20:03] <failers> got it now and its just what i wanted :P
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> shabba
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> kicks gimp to the floor ;)
[20:04] <failers> now just to find where it was i can rebind keyboard bindings :P
[20:05] <ActionParsnip> i only know it in fluxbox
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTesting/Keycodes
[20:06] <KEBA1> kde4 disabled my compositing because there are to slow... now i changed the settings and want to activate it, but under system settings i get this error: http://junemaster.ju.funpic.de/quote/index.php?id=881&delid=PUBVzPiyDQQmRSu
[20:08] <BenPA> can anyone tell me how to get music that is on cd over to a Ipod
[20:08] <KEBA1> via amarok i think
[20:09] <BenPA> you mean I can use amarok?
[20:10] <olewolf> BenPA: yes, Amarok will work.
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> BenPA: rip to mp3 with k3b or something, then transfer with amarok / songbird
[20:10] <olewolf> Alternatively, install Rockbox (from rockbox.org) on your iPod like I did. This eliminates Apple's proprietary storage format.
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> ipod + rockbox == awesomeness
[20:11] <olewolf> ActionParsnip: unless you need podcasts, in which case it's nothingness.
[20:11] <failers> whats the command to start system monitor thru command line
[20:12] <BenPA> thank you
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> olewolf: im not a sheep and didnt opt for the ipod
[20:13] <coucouf> hi all I've been using KDE4 for a while and Kmail keeps opening links from /tmp/something instead of opening the source http link. Anyone knows how to solve this ?
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> failers: try: ksysguard
[20:14] <lovre> erm, the sound has stopped working for me
[20:14] <failers> ActionParsnip thanks just the one i wanted again :)
[20:14] <lovre> sometimes this happens, the sound just isnt there anymore, for any application... i have to reload X to fix it, is there any other way. and why is this happening
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> BAM 2 for 2
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> lovre: restart HAL maybe
[20:14] <lovre> ActionParsnip: how?
[20:15] <ali_> I m new to kubuntu , can anyone tell me how to add stuff on kubuntu desktop .. like clock and climate etc
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> lovre: sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> ali_: right click desktop -> add widget
[20:15] <lovre> ActionParsnip: it didnt help
[20:16] <ali_> ActionParsnip: there is no add wiget........ its KDE
[20:16] <ali_> i think you are talking about GNOME
[20:16] <failers> ali_ not really
[20:16] <failers> ali_ wich kde do you got?
[20:16] <ali_> 3.5
[20:16] <failers> thats why ^^
[20:17] <failers> in 4.x there is add widget
[20:17] <mefisto__> lovre: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[20:17] <ali_> so what should i do.....
[20:17] <ali_> should i upgrade to KDE 4.0 ?
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> ali_: if you want kde4 add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[20:17] <olewolf> Don't even *think* of KDE 4.0.
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> ali_: to /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:17] <olewolf> Go for KDE 4.1 or KDE 4.2.
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> ali_: then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:18] <failers> 4.2 is best imo
[20:18] <ali_> first put sudo apt-get update ? in Terminal ?
[20:18] <ali_> to get KDE 4.0
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> ali_: no, you need kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> ali_: and add that repo I said, then save and exit
[20:19] <ali_> hang on
[20:19] <mefisto__> ali_: you are on hardy, right?
[20:19] <ali_> how to check i m on hardy ?
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> ali_: lsb_release | grep Code
[20:20] <mefisto__> ali_: if you want to add stuff to the panel, right-click an empty part of the panel, add applet to panel...
[20:20] <ali_> its giving error
[20:21] <lovre> mefisto__: nothing
[20:21] <ali_> ali@Ali-Laptop:~$ lsb_release | grep Code
[20:21] <ali_> No LSB modules are available.
[20:21] <failers> oh snap i forgot to fstab my ntfs hdds
[20:21] <mefisto__> lsb_release -a
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> bah
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> ali_: lsb_release -a | grep Code
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: cheers for the spot
[20:22] <ali_> ya its Hardy
[20:22] <ali_> its showing that its hardy
[20:22] <ali_> well whats the difference b/w hardy and others
[20:23] <mefisto__> ali_: main difference for kubuntu is after hardy, kde 4 instead of kde 3
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> ali_: sudo echo 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main' >>/etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> ali_: sudo apt-get install kde-nightly
[20:24] <ali_> hang on let me type that one
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> ali_: copy / paste to the konsole
[20:24] <ali_> could fine Package...
[20:24] <ali_> i havnt still edited the sources file
[20:25] <ali_> where to add this line which you have told me....... in the end or the start
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> ali_: add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu hardy main to the end of the file
[20:25] <failers> hm what happends if you do sudo rm -R /
[20:25] <failers> Oo
[20:25] <failers> does it actually remove it :P ?
[20:26] <Tm_T> it does
[20:26] <failers> :o how dangerous
[20:26] <Tm_T> failers: and if you mention that here once more, you'll get banned
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> failers: yep, very
[20:26] <failers> Tm_T :| sorry
[20:27] <ActionParsnip> ali_: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> ali_: you got it ok?
[20:31] <ali_> its updating
[20:31] <ali_> i have put the command sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:31] <ali_> and its getting some data from the internet...... will take some time
[20:32] <ali_> by the way if i want to learn kubuntu linux ......... which CBT should I go for
[20:32] <ActionParsnip> cbt?
[20:32] <ali_> is there any quick way to learn linux..... because i dont have that much time to learn linux cause I m already learning Cisco products
[20:32] <ali_> i mean Computer Based Training
[20:32] <ali_> i have visited linuxcbt.com they are offering several Linux CBTs
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> ali_: just use the system at a more intrinsic level than user
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> ali_: setup some servers, add some users, have a play
[20:33] <ali_> how did you learned it ?
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> ali_: daily use over several years
[20:33] <ali_> how many years ?
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> about 3 or 4 say
[20:34] <ali_> and you work as a system administrator ?
[20:34] <ali_> working on linux servers ?
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> im a windows sys admin
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> citrix / sql
[20:34] <ali_> you are a database admin ?
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> no i just make everything run, i dont work on dbs
[20:35] <ali_> listen......
[20:35] <ali_> its taking quite a time
[20:35]  * ActionParsnip listens
[20:35] <ali_> since i have 128K connection , its asking for 5hrs
[20:35] <cbwcjw> Anybody know how to set up VNC enterpise server?
[20:35] <ali_> is there anyway to skip this update and directly go for KDE 4.0 installation
[20:35] <ActionParsnip> then its gonna take time
[20:36] <olewolf> ali_: Don't go for a KDE 4.0 install. It's the beta version. Think 4.1 or 4.2.
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> ali_: read http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-kde-42/
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> !vnc | cbwcjw
[20:36] <olewolf> ali_: and yes, if there's a lot to download on a limited-bandwidth connection, then it's going to take time.
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> cbwcjw: whats the difference between vnc and vnc enterprise?
[20:39] <cbwcjw> ActionParsnip: Well, I mean realvnc, its different than x11vnc, ect.
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> cbwcjw: apt-cache search vnc
[20:40] <david_> he lo
[20:40] <david_> hello
[20:40] <cbwcjw> ActionParsnip: Not what I mean... Oh nvrm
[20:40] <ActionParsnip> !hi | david_
[20:41] <david_> i'm new in linux, Anybody knows how to install c++ here?
[20:42] <david_> can somebody help me?
[20:43] <rawr-ubuntu> i just updated  my 8.10 kubuntu installation to kde 4.2 and my window decorations do not show up
[20:43] <rawr-ubuntu> any tips?
[20:43] <rawr-ubuntu> also, without the window decorations windows will not accept keyboard input so anything i do has to be done in the console
[20:44] <mefisto__> rawr-ubuntu: can you alt-F2 ?
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> rawr-ubuntu: are you using an nvidia gfx card?
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> rawr-ubuntu: try: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --reinstall install kde-window-manager
[20:46] <rawr-ubuntu> actionParsnip: will do, gonna reboot and do that, also found a thread on the forums about libkdecorations4 not properly installing on upgrade
[20:46] <rawr-ubuntu> mefisto__: yes i can, just no windows will accept input
[20:46] <mefisto__> rawr-ubuntu: if you have a konsole window open, type: kwin &
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> rawr-ubuntu: its worth a go :D
[20:46] <rawr-ubuntu> mefisto__: kk, gonna boot in and try some of the stuff, hopefully be back soon form inside kubuntu
[20:48] <aciel> Hi folks. I just installed kde 4.2 on intrepid (kubuntu), and it's having trouble starting akonadi. I already had MySQL installed, so I suspect that's the problem. Self-test is here: http://pastebin.com/m543bdb5
[20:50] <coucouf> anybody know how to have Kmail open URLs correctly on KDE 4 ?
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> aciel: If you are installing InnoDB, remember that you must create directories yourself, InnoDB does not create them.
[20:51] <mefisto__> coucouf: what's it doing with with urls?
[20:51] <Squidy> Hi there.. is there a way to integrate the "save as" interface of firefox to kde 4 style?
[20:51] <IcyPolecat> hiya, anyone up for giving me a hand with xorg config - Intrepid, KDE 4.1 dual screen?
[20:52] <coucouf> it opens things in /tmp/xxxxx instead of the correct URLs
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: in the browser settings for kmail, edit the setting. Try %u or %U instead of %f.
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kmail-devel&m=103182685220310&w=2
[20:58] <IcyPolecat> failing that anyone know if the ati binary package still has issues?
[20:58] <IcyPolecat> or indeed how to install the ATI binary package if the restricted driver manager (jockey) does nothing.
[20:58] <coucouf> IcyPolecat in Intrepid catalyst 8.12 and 9.01 work perfectly for me
[20:59] <IcyPolecat> coucouf: how did you install?
[21:00] <coucouf> ActionParsnip now works, but it opens two same tabs with the URL when I click it... Any reason ?
[21:01] <coucouf> IcyPolecat http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide section 4
[21:03] <IcyPolecat> coucouf: so gonna have to do it by hand then :-(
[21:03] <failers> hm using kwin cant you move windows over to other sides of the cube?
[21:04] <ali_> how is this if i want to learn Kubuntu Linux http://www.linuxcbt.com/products_linuxcbt.php
[21:04] <coucouf> IcyPolecat not such a big deal with dkms. It's like sh --buildpkg, dpkg -i and aticonfig, that's essentially 3 commands :)
[21:05] <IcyPolecat> coucouf: I know. I just dislike deviating from the Ubuntu norm on this machine - it tends to get me into trouble! Do you know off hand if this package includes fglrxconfig?
[21:07] <coucouf> IcyPolecat I don't think fglrxconfig has been existing anymore for a while now, there's aticonfig, and the Catalyst UI in X is quite efficient
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: not sure why its doing it, i dont use kmail
[21:08] <coucouf> IcyPolecat yeah, I understand that, let's say that you can always remove the packages and restore your former xorg.connf, it's not like compiling and installing things all over the place.
[21:09] <IcyPolecat> coucouf: Ah ok - just after something nice and gui to config the res / pos of the screens - beats hacking about in xorg.conf any day :)
[21:09] <coucouf> ActionParnip in fact I just noticed it's not only kmail, I get the same behaviour when clicking your link in Ksirk, strange...
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: only click the link once dude
[21:10] <coucouf> ActionParsnip :D
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: its not a file opening
[21:10] <failers> hm how do i install compiz on kde 4.2 when it need libplasma2 and kde 4.2 need libplasma 3
[21:11] <coucouf> ActionParsnip I've set konqueror %u in the default application section for Web Browser, maybe that's not the right way
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: try a capital U
[21:14] <coucouf> ActionParsnip yeah, tried that already
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> coucouf: thats all i can recommend realy
[21:18] <coucouf> ActionParsnip thanks a lot, I already got rid of the URL getting opened from /var/tmp !
[21:19] <ActionParsnip> sweet :)
[21:21] <mefisto__> coucouf: try doing it in file associations for html
[21:22] <Crell> Hi all.  According to a recent blog post, KDevelop4 beta packages are available for Kubuntu.  Unfortunately said blog post did not mention what the sources line was for said packages. :-)  Can anyone here point me toward them?
[21:22] <Crell> Blog in question: http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/kdevelop4-beta1-kubuntu-packages-problems/
[21:22] <rawr-ubuntu> just to document the bug i was talking about, window decorations not showing up after an upgrade to kde 4.2 in kde 8.10 is caused from something not bieng claculated right with kde-window-decorator, it was not upgraded along with the rest of my kde4 libs whne i did the apt-get upgrade after ading the experimental repo and updating
[21:23] <rawr-ubuntu> had to run an apt-get install kde-window-decorator to get new version
[21:24] <Lugii> hmm seems lots of ppl got that problem.. i did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and it solved it too
[21:24] <mefisto__> Crell: kdevelop-kde4 ?
[21:25] <alesan> hi, is it possible to try the new kde 4.2?
[21:25] <alesan> I have a 8.10
[21:25] <Crell> Hm.  I would have thought the package would be kdevelop4 or kdevelop with a version tag of 4.
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> alesan: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[21:26] <cjae> !strigi
[21:26] <rafael> alguem sabe como fazer actualizações no kubuntu ???
[21:27] <cjae> how do I make the strigi daemon keep running?
[21:27] <rafael> i dont now...
[21:27] <rafael> know
[21:27] <stdin> !pt
[21:27] <rafael> do you know how do I update kubuntu??? :(
[21:28] <rafael> #ubuntu-pt
[21:28] <stdin> !upgrade
[21:28] <rafael> !pt
[21:28] <rafael> !update
[21:28] <mefisto__> Crell: kdevelop-kde4 is not kdevelop 4. it's 3.9.91
[21:29] <Crell> Yeah, that's what I figured.
[21:29] <rafael> sabem como actualizar o kubuntu??
[21:29] <Crell> Which is why I'm asking where one can get the kdevelop 4 beta packages, if they do in fact exist.
[21:30] <rafael> hey crell do you know how to update kubuntu??? :(
[21:30] <stdin> rafael: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:30] <rafael> ty... ;]
[21:32] <lfranchi> can anyone tell me the packages i need to get pykde and pyqt? kdebase complains that i dont have them installed
[21:35] <rafael> Can anyone tell me how to install the NVIDIA D package for Kubuntu?
[21:35] <BluesKaj> lfranchi, check in adept by typing the names in the searchbar
[21:35] <lfranchi> found it, it's called python-qt4 for some bizarre reason
[21:35] <lfranchi> weird naming--
[21:36] <BluesKaj> no it's meant to indicate the python qt binding
[21:37] <stdin> !nvidia | rafael
[21:37] <rafael> !nvidia
[21:37] <stdin> rafael: read the link from ubottu
[21:37] <lfranchi> yeah but it is called PyQt
[21:37] <lfranchi> makes it hard to search for with aptitude
[21:37] <rafael> ty
[21:38] <stdin> lfranchi: that's how all python packages are named
[21:38] <stdin> lfranchi: like pytz is in package python-tz
[21:39] <lfranchi> i know
[21:39] <Crell> mefisto__: So if kdevelop-kde4 is not kdevelop 4, what is?
[21:39] <lfranchi> but me not knowing ubuntu, but knowing PyQt andPyKDE makes it hard to find
[21:39] <lfranchi> anyway, not worth bikeshedding over
[21:39] <stdin> lfranchi: it's actually debian that name it like that
[21:39] <stdin> and we are downstream from debian
[21:40] <failers> is 9.04 stable?
[21:40] <failers> i mean not released as stable but is it stable while using it :P
[21:40] <coucouf> mefisto__ it works correctly setting it in file associations, thanks
[21:40] <stdin> failers: it's not April, so no
[21:41] <stdin> Crell: kdevelop-kde4 is kdevelop 4
[21:41] <Crell> stdin: mefisto__ just said it wasn't.
[21:41] <stdin> Crell: 3.9.91 means it's a beta, because it's not released we can't call it 4.0 yet
[21:42] <Crell> Ah.
[21:42]  * Crell will try it then.
[21:42] <stdin> it's the same with KDE 4.2, the betas were 4.1.9x
[21:42] <Crell> I'm looking for a PHP IDE that doesn't suck, so I come back to KDevelop periodically to see if it works for PHP yet. :-)
[21:42] <coucouf> failers: i've been using it for a few days, and it works quite well so far. Proprietary graphic drivers are broken as usual, but if you don't use them it's OK :)
[21:43] <stdin> it's not stable, in any sense of the word
[21:43] <stdin> jaunty will probably break again before release
[21:43] <failers> coucouf: ok
[21:43] <stdin> especially if we go for Qt 4.5
[21:43] <failers> then next question how do i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 :P
[21:44]  * astromme has a mad chuckle when thinking about 4.5 =)
[21:45] <astromme> if kubuntu decides to go 4.5, I hope the graphicssystem raster is set to default (after tested, of course). It's really much better in my experience
[21:45] <coucouf> well it's an alpha version, it can always eat children...
[21:45] <stdin> failers: install update-manager-core, and do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d". then start preying
[21:45] <failers> stdin: hehe no worrys got nothing to be afraid if it crashes :P
[21:45]  * astromme had his ethernet card on his laptop killed by the Intrepid alphas... not fun >_> (silly kernel, well more silly intel driver)
[21:46] <sudhanshu> #hellas
[21:46] <stdin> sudhanshu: hmm?
[21:46] <dkkong> I just upgraded to KDE4. Is there a way to show just the desktop like KDE3 with icons instead of the panel?
[21:46] <sudhanshu> room
[21:46] <coucouf> failers: btw, it broke digikam for me, I'm living without so far
[21:46] <failers> coucouf: oki
[21:47] <failers> praying now
[21:47] <stdin> dkkong: which version of KDE4? 4.1.x or 4.2?
[21:47] <astromme> dkkong: you can in 4.2, you can't in 4.1 (but folderviews work pretty well). what are you using?
[21:47] <failers> :P
[21:47] <owner> in application/synaptic package manager I see "KDE desktop environment". Is that how I upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu?
[21:47] <dkkong> I believe 4.1. Will an update upgrade me to 4.2?
[21:47] <stdin> owner: install "kubuntu-desktop" from synaptic
[21:47] <astromme> dkkong: you would have to install the experimental packages from kubuntu.org
[21:48] <owner> it isn't listed
[21:48] <failers> dkkong: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[21:48] <coucouf> failers: well I just retried installing digikam and it re-works :)
[21:48] <failers> haha ok
[21:48] <stdin> owner: it is, make sure you run synaptic not the add/remove software thing
[21:48] <failers> coucouf: downloading all updates now 700 mb :|'
[21:48] <mefisto__> Crell: have you seen this: http://www.kdevelop.org/index.html?filename=3.5/download.html
[21:49] <failers> so 12 minutes before i even got it downloaded
[21:49] <mefisto__> Crell: I tried installing using that "Ubuntu" repo but it installed an older version than kdevelop-kde4
[21:49] <owner> it really isn't in there
[21:49] <dkkong> Okay guys, I'll get started. Thanks!
[21:50] <Crell> hm
[21:50] <coucouf> failers: I didn't say it would be easy...
[21:50] <failers> btw if or when alpha 5 gets released will it automaticly update thru adept or do i have to do "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[21:50] <failers> coucouf: :)
[21:50] <coucouf> failers: you can still take the blue pill :p
[21:50] <owner> I have super ubuntu. don't know if that has anything to do with it
[21:50] <astromme> failers: auto. however, you get ALL updates, not just jumps between alphas
[21:50] <stdin> failers: it'll just show as a normal update
[21:51] <failers> oki good
[21:51] <stdin> owner: it is
[21:51] <coucouf> failers: yes, just doing upgrades normally will lead you the release version
[21:51] <stdin> !info kubuntu-desktop
[21:51] <failers> coucouf: i alredy eaten the red pill
[21:51] <astromme> failers: running jaunty is running a constantly changing system (if you apt-get upgrade). There is no "layer" between what devs use and the jaunty repos
[21:51] <failers> ah ok
[21:54] <owner> but there is no kubuntu-desktop in my synaptics package manager..there is however a kde desktop environment
[21:55] <cbwcjw> !puregnome | owner
[21:55] <owner> I don't want to remove kde. I want to use it
[21:56] <cbwcjw> Oh.
[21:56] <cbwcjw> owner: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[21:57] <quadaptor> stdin: thanks for your help! i think, all works fine. :-) i set LDFLAGS, CPPFLAGS and CC. :-)
[21:58] <owner> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:58] <failers> close synaptic
[21:58] <owner> that means it wants to access the original iso disk?
[21:59] <owner> awesome, thanks guys
[22:06] <fynamite> hello
[22:07] <astromme> !hello | fynamite
[22:08] <fynamite> thanks
[22:08] <gosia> hello
[22:19] <talonstriker> hi, is it ok to delete /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb ?
[22:20] <senorpedro> yes
[22:20] <cdavis> talonstriker: I think apt-get cleancache or something like that is available and might be safer
[22:20] <coucouf_> aptitude clean sounds safer to me
[22:20] <cdavis> not sure if that does what you are looking for thought
[22:20] <senorpedro> apt-get clean
[22:21] <talonstriker> its not cleaning if I do apt-get autoclean
[22:21] <talonstriker> letme try onyl with clean
[22:22] <talonstriker> ok that worked thanks
[22:27] <syockit> hey, if we keep cleaning our apt cache, how is apt-p2p or apt-torrent supposed to work?
[22:28] <ivancho> syockit: cleaning apt cache, means apt-get clean?!
[22:28] <g2g591> omg, its such a revelation!
[22:29] <syockit> apt/archives, whatever it is
[22:30] <ivancho> apt-get clean is removing all downloaded .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:34] <bradley> I was wondering if someone in here can help me with a problem making the r8168 driver?
[22:40] <cdavis> just ask, maybe someone can help
[22:45] <elie> hi
[22:45] <elie> alla
[22:46] <elie> any one help me
[22:46] <failers> finally 9.04 up and running
[22:46] <failers> had some problems with wireless first but its in order now :P
[22:46] <elie> heeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[22:46] <elie> plz
[22:46] <syockit> bradley: not for some Linux mce, is it?
[22:46] <bradley> nope
[22:47] <elie> any one help me
[22:47] <bradley> I'm using 8.04
[22:47] <mefisto__> !ask | elie
[22:47] <g2g591> elie: hoe about you just ask your question
[22:47] <g2g591> how*
[22:47] <bradley> and can't get it to compile, it says that scripts/Makefile.build:41: /src/Makefile: No such file or directory
[22:48] <bradley> something's probably wrong in the Makefile, but I can't find it
[22:48] <failers> ./configure , make , make install
[22:48] <failers> thats usually the order to compile a program
[22:48] <bradley> it's a module so it's    sudo make clean modules
[22:49] <bradley> I have directions for it
[22:49] <bradley> they just aren't working
[22:49] <failers> ok
[22:49] <syockit> bradley: tried the script here? http://www.jamesonwilliams.com/hardy-r8168.html
[22:50] <bradley> looking at it now
[22:50] <syockit> hmm, so it fails at make clean modules?
[22:50] <elie> man i meed to instal flash player on kubunto
[22:50] <bradley> as long as I've install build-essentials it should work right?
[22:50] <elie> u know ?
[22:50] <syockit> bradley: should be
[22:50] <mefisto__> !flash
[22:51] <syockit> bradley: also make clean && make modules instead of make clean module
[22:51] <elie> thanks man
[22:52] <bradley> the make clean && make modules      looks like it worked
[22:53] <syockit> and I thought hardy's kernel fixed that already
[22:53] <syockit> guess not
[22:53] <g2g591> bradley: which is why you never put clean with anything else
[22:53] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <g2g591> well, usually not anyway..
[22:54] <bradley> it loads the wrong module the r8169 not the r8168, but it worked fine on the live cd so I'm a little confused about it
[22:54] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <elie> any onme from lebanon
[22:54] <BlueEagle> !flood | elie
[22:54] <elie> ok sorry
[22:55] <elie> sorry guys
[22:55] <stdin> !lb | elie
[23:05] <failers> coucouf_:  how do i get mp3 support in amarok 2?
[23:06] <coucouf_> failers: xine misc plugins ?
[23:07] <failers> oki
[23:07] <failers> coucouf_: just asking since amarok 2 didnt do as the other version automaticly ask for adding support when trying to play a mp3 file :P
[23:08] <bradley> thanks for the help everyone!
[23:08] <stdin> failers: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:09] <failers> stdin: im installing a xine meta package think it installs it all
[23:09] <failers> :P
[23:11] <failers> hmm i dont have any sound :/
[23:12] <failers> !sound
[23:17] <lfranchi> um
[23:17] <lfranchi> anything regarding ARTS is woefully out of date
[23:17] <lfranchi> amarok 2 uses KDE4, which has phonon for sound output
[23:18] <lfranchi> arts is gone
[23:18] <stdin> and it's aRts ;)
[23:23] <talonstriker> hey I need some wireless help...I can't connect to any WEP networks...I have a broadcom43xx chipset
[23:31] <khalidmian> hi facing a little problem
[23:32] <khalidmian> i did cd /media/cdrom and then sudo // VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run but it says command not found pls help
[23:33] <failers> khalidmian:
[23:34] <failers> sudo ./vblinux
[23:34] <failers> sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run  or if you want sudo sh VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run
[23:35] <mefisto__> khalidmian: you should be able to do it from the virtualbox menu
[23:35] <khalidmian> nthing work
[23:35] <khalidmian> nt even sh
[23:37] <khalidmian> mefisto doesnt work fro menu
[23:37] <mefisto__> khalidmian: Devices menu, Install Guest Additions...
[23:38] <khalidmian> mefisto__: did that doesnt work im trying to instal guest addition to kubuntu installed in vbx environment
[23:39] <mefisto__> khalidmian: did it not open a new CD device in the guest system?
[23:39] <khalidmian> mefisto__: nope
[23:39] <failers> in 8.10 i had sound issues wich were solved by editing "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" and adding "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1" but in 9.04 it doesnt help i dont have sound at all got any ideas how to solve it?
[23:40] <cjae> !gksudo
[23:40] <cjae> !qtsudo
[23:40] <cjae> what is the kde equilvilent?
[23:41] <cjae> kdesudo
[23:41] <cjae> !kdesudo
[23:41] <cjae> ah ok
[23:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> Weee! Im SO happy! Just god Java Runtime Enviroment to work in Kubuntu 8.10 64bit!
[23:42] <mefisto__> khalidmian: on the guest, run: sudo bash /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run
[23:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> got*
[23:43] <Sp0tKubuntu> So nice it is! Now i only have to get "Playback" of DVD to work
[23:46] <mefisto__> Sp0tKubuntu: does medibuntu work for 64bit ?
[23:46] <khalidmian> ok when i try run it via dolphin it says i need to run it as root
[23:46] <coucouf_> failers maybe try removing your ~/.asound* if any ?
[23:47] <coucouf_> or /etc/asound.conf if any
[23:47] <khalidmian> VirtualBox 2.1.2 Guest Additions installation
[23:47] <khalidmian> This program must be run with administrator privileges
[23:47] <mefisto__> khalidmian: on the guest, run: sudo bash /media/cdrom0/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run
[23:48] <mefisto__> khalidmian: or in dolphin, hit F4 to open a console in that directory
[23:48] <cjae> ok if I have installed avg for linux to scan windows crap, and have run it once as sudo avggui it lets me scan the file, but if I run it the so called proper way kdesudo avggui it tells me I cannot scan, is this because I ran it as sudo before to upddate it
[23:49] <cjae> or is it because avg is an exception to the kdesudo rule?
[23:50] <Sp0tKubuntu> mefisto__: Dont know, but i have tryed that! Dosent seem to be the problem! I can fine play DVD from a Ubuntu 8.10 live CD, all i need to install, is 2 codec, and the Totem player tell me himself! :-) Me like
[23:51] <khalidmian> konsole doesnt run now sigh !!!!
[23:52] <Sp0tKubuntu> mefisto__: After my search through the internet, it seems to be related to my chipset and something i cant find out in the NEW KDE, NOT 4.2m but the new, i mean the one in the 8.10 release, and not in the 8.04, in the 8.04, Kubuntu, i play DVD fine, also 64bit
[23:52] <Sp0tKubuntu> mefisto__: Chipset is Santa Rosa if you know it?
[23:52] <mefisto__> khalidmian: you can switch to a virtual terminal with right-ctrl key and F1-F7
[23:53] <_gl_> hi I installed kde4.2 in a eeepc and the dragon player does not play mp4 files. any suggestions?
[23:54] <Sp0tKubuntu> Someone got an idea? For my problem with DVD playback?
[23:55] <mefisto__> _gl_: installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[23:56] <_gl_> mefisto__: nope! thanks for the hint!
[23:56] <Sp0tKubuntu> Is kubuntu-restricted-extras holding some Java to? Im afraid to install it if it messes up my Java for 64bit
[23:57] <Sp0tKubuntu> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:58] <Sp0tKubuntu> lol
[23:58] <mefisto__> Sp0tKubuntu: I think it does include java. type apt-cache show kubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:59] <khalidmian> sorry may i have the command again to run cdrom media vbox please
[23:59] <Sp0tKubuntu> mefisto__: In terminal?