[00:00] <FFForever> is there any other archive manager besides fileroller?
[00:00] <Zetto> whait a moment
[00:02] <FFForever> kk
[00:02] <Zetto> FFForever, you are running Ubuntu 9.04 alright ?
[00:02] <FFForever> yeah
[00:03] <Zetto> FFForever, try 'sudo apt-get install p7zip'
[00:03] <Zetto> FFForever, and try open the file left
[00:04] <FFForever> thanks =)
[00:04] <FFForever> woot!
[00:04] <Zetto> FFForever, you are wellcome :)
[00:04] <Zetto> ;)
[00:05] <FFForever> how come that is not installed by default?
[00:05] <Zetto> FFForever, Bug #261117
[00:05] <FFForever> ahhh
[00:05] <Zetto> FFForever, its not installed in 8.04 too
[00:06] <FFForever> maybe i installed it dunno =\
[00:06] <FFForever> it just worked fine for me =)
[00:06] <Zetto> probably
[00:07] <Zetto> FFForever, Thanks to Mark ^^
[00:07] <Amaranth> Zetto: That takes too much disc space
[00:07] <Amaranth> Zetto: We have to have zip/unzip and such installed anyway as other things need them so we just use those in file-roller
[00:08] <FFForever> why do i have to download the windows crud (abiword, oo) when i want linux not windows =P
[00:09] <Amaranth> FFForever: transition
[00:09] <FFForever> =(
[00:09] <FFForever> thats what 100mb i could save?
[00:09] <FFForever> (downloading)
[00:11] <Zetto> Amaranth, i really wanna see Bug #251173 solved in ubuntu+1, but the Feature Freezes already pass ... what do you think ?
[00:11] <Amaranth> FFForever: no, less then that
[00:12] <Amaranth> Zetto: #ubuntu-motu, if you're willing to do the packaging
[00:12] <Zetto> Amaranth, thanks
[00:21] <ali1234> FFForever: do a network install if it bothers you that much
[01:06] <FFForever> what is the difference from aptitude and apt?
[01:10] <dtchen> FFForever: "apt" really refers to a suite. it's normally referred to as "apt-get" or its dselect method.
[01:11] <dtchen> FFForever: "aptitude" relies on apt but is arguably more intelligent in attempting to resolve dependencies
[01:11] <FFForever> ahhh
[01:12] <FFForever> dtchen, are the pa updates safe 2 install... last time i upgraded pa i load audio lol
[01:12] <FFForever> i lost audio***
[01:13] <dtchen> which pa updates?
[01:14] <FFForever> there are a bunch of them in my update manager right now =)
[01:14] <dtchen> for jaunty proper or for luke's ppa?
[01:14] <FFForever> jaunty and what is luke's ppa?
[01:15] <dtchen> the jaunty ones are fine; i run them for at least a day before luke grabs my changes and uploads them to jaunty proper
[01:15] <dtchen> luke's ppa has the latest upstream test snapshot, which currently is 0.9.15-test1
[01:15] <FFForever> dtchen, you are the one in charge of pa?
[01:16] <dtchen> beware that his current ppa packages have a bug; i've already sent him a patch
[01:16] <dtchen> FFForever: i'm historically the audio maintainer; i stepped down some releases ago, but i still work within the audio team
[01:16] <FFForever> ahhh cool so why did ubuntu move from alsa to pa?
[01:17] <dtchen> well, the timing for that was beyond my control. i would have wished it to occur in ubuntu 8.10 instead of ubuntu 8.04, but that's water under the bridge.
[01:17] <FFForever> but why make the change?
[01:17] <dtchen> and - ubuntu moved to PA because it is the future of Linux desktop audio.
[01:17] <FFForever> ahhh
[01:18] <FFForever> dtchen, did the problem with sound being played by more then 1 app ever get fixed?
[01:18] <FFForever> i know on 8.04 pa locks my audio to only 1 app =\
[01:19] <dtchen> it was (and in some ways continues to be) a chicken-and-egg problem: without testers, bugs won't be caught as quickly, but migrating to it will cause growing paints
[01:19] <dtchen> pains*
[01:19] <dtchen> FFForever: well, that symptom is the notorious lack of hardware multiopen
[01:19] <FFForever> multiopen?
[01:20] <dtchen> Windows and Mac OS spoil their users by exposing one layer for sound abstraction regardless whether the underlying audio hardware supports streaming multiple things simultaneously
[01:21] <FFForever> dtchen, i just wish ubuntu supporters/helpers would move from rtfm in every response... i think ur the first one to actually not tell me rtfm =\
[01:21] <dtchen> historically, only Sound Blaster and Turtle Beach cards were famous for offering that
[01:21] <FFForever> cool =)
[01:21] <IntuitiveNipple> FFForever: I used the forums guide to pulseaudio configuration and never had any issues with it, on Hardy or Intrepid.
[01:21] <dtchen> ALSA has offered a software abstraction called dmix (playback) and dsnoop (capture) since 1.0.9b, but it doesn't work for all audio apps
[01:22] <dtchen> FFForever: so your issue is that not every alsa app uses those abstractions
[01:23] <FFForever> dtchen, do u know how i can get my mic working (i have never been able 2 lol) i don't know if its a pa or an ubuntu thing =\
[01:23] <dtchen> for example, JACK, Audacity, Timidity, and PulseAudio all really, really, really want raw hw (called hw:) access
[01:24] <dtchen> so on audio hardware that only supports one outgoing stream at a time, if PulseAudio has grabbed hw:, then JACK, Audacity, and Timidity will fail to start
[01:24] <FFForever> well raw hw access is better right since it can just route everything itself and not have 2 code for drivers, etc
[01:24] <FFForever> dtchen, yeah i always have 2 start audacity as root =)
[01:25] <dtchen> hw: is exclusive access; to be able to use it with multiple apps, your audio card needs to support hardware multiopen, and currently only certain Creative, Ensoniq, Turtle Beach, C-Media cards do so
[01:26] <dtchen> only a handful of Realtek HDA hardware does, but that support has not been added to the alsa driver for most of them
[01:26] <FFForever> i have a high definition audio card =\
[01:27] <FFForever> (the default one for hp products)
[01:27] <dtchen> (i'm not going to discuss oss, because that's a wider scope - for instance, Nvidia has a proprietary oss driver that correctly mmaps their native soundstorm hw)
[01:28] <dtchen> (not to mention that their oss driver doesn't particularly play well with the alsa-lib oss routing - i.e., the pcm.oss routing, not alsa-kernel's oss emulation)
[01:28] <FFForever> i remember getting xp to have sound was fun lol =)
[01:28] <FFForever> ew
[01:29] <FFForever> dtchen, any idea on how i can get my mic 2 work in ubuntu?
[01:29] <dtchen> anyhow, the audio stack itself is very convoluted (i.e., http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png), but pulseaudio is one component that is the way forward
[01:29] <dtchen> FFForever: well, does it work with alsa (i.e., without pulseaudio running or grabbing the sound card(s))?
[01:30] <FFForever> dtchen, it has never work in linux for me =\, i don't play with configs since i tend 2 break them and well i can never fix them =)
[01:30] <dtchen> FFForever: it's a known issue for some Dell hardware
[01:30] <dtchen> certain Sigmatel HDA 92xx codecs don't have the fix yet
[01:30] <FFForever> this is a hp dv6000 something =\
[01:31] <dtchen> which dv6000 model?
[01:31] <FFForever> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[01:31] <dtchen> look on the underside of the laptop and read out the model no. right above the warranty bit
[01:31] <FFForever> dtchen, i think its a dv6810us
[01:32] <dtchen> that should be supported just fine in 1.0.19
[01:32] <FFForever> =\, nope audacity cant record =(
[01:32] <dtchen> i don't think the additions have been backported to jaunty's linux source yet
[01:32] <FFForever> do i need 2 install something extra?
[01:33] <dtchen> are you using jaunty's linux for alsa-kernel, or did you compile 1.0.19 from alsa-project.org yourself?
[01:34] <FFForever> dtchen, this should be nearly a stock 9.04 i just upgraded from 8.10
[01:35] <dtchen> right, your sound driver doesn't have the necessary fixes yet
[01:35] <FFForever> any idea when i should see the fixes? (in a month, 2, tmw?)
[01:36] <dtchen> FFForever: have you run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh tool?
[01:38] <FFForever> dtchen, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=76ead5ae08acf626e52df335bba932be946a6331
[01:38] <ccooke> Huh.
[01:39] <ccooke> New install of jaunty. Just updated for the first time.
[01:39] <ccooke> I've been waiting for it to log in for about five minutes. It got as far as setting the wallpaper, but that's the only thing it's done
[01:39] <ccooke> known?
[01:40] <dtchen> ccooke: on kubuntu, it seems to be manifest, yes
[01:40] <ccooke> this is ubuntu, not kubuntu
[01:40] <abarbaccia> is gdm broken? i havent had time to read the lists
[01:40] <dtchen> i can't reproduce this on an upgraded ubuntu
[01:40] <dtchen> however, i am *not* using gdm ATM
[01:41] <ccooke> Not sure if it's gdm, the gnome startup or something else, yet
[01:41] <killbillkill> ccooke: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1061919
[01:41] <abarbaccia> ccooke: was that to me?
[01:42] <FFForever> ill brb 10-15mins
[01:42] <dtchen> FFForever: yeah, you seem to be missing a quirk
[01:42] <ccooke> killbillkill: ah, thanks. Trying it...
[01:44] <ccooke> fixed
[01:44] <ccooke> thank you
[01:44] <killbillkill> :)
[02:02] <dyf1> hello
[02:02] <dyf1> i installed the latest partial upgrade and i can't log in using gnome
[02:03] <dyf1> i see the desktop and then everything goes black
[02:03] <dyf1> any ideas?
[02:10] <Amaranth> dyf1: Broken driver
[02:11] <Amaranth> dyf1: login in the failsafe gnome session, it won't start compiz
[02:18] <dyf1> Amaranth: i'll try that later.. thanks
[02:19] <dyf1> Amaranth: but... but.. i want my SPINNAN CUBEZ
[02:19] <dyf1> isn't there another way?
[02:22] <Amaranth> dyf1: not if you use fglrx
[02:24] <dyf1> Amaranth: do you have a minute to tell me what that is?
[02:24] <dyf1> excuse my ignorance
[02:24] <Amaranth> dyf1: driver needed for Radeon HD cards to get 3d
[02:28] <dyf1> but i have nvidia
[02:28] <dyf1> nvidia geforce 7150M
[02:31] <dyf1> Amaranth: ?
[02:32] <Amaranth> dyf1: In that case it should have already been fixed
[02:32] <Amaranth> dyf1: But I guess it may take a couple days
[02:35] <dyf1> Amaranth: couple of days to what? to get more fixes?
[02:35] <Amaranth> dyf1: yeah
[02:36] <dyf1> i see
[02:36] <dyf1> thanks Amaranth
[02:51] <d-b> hi there in jaunty there is only kde 4.11 ?
[02:53] <d-b> oh nevermind kubuntu has 4.2...
[02:58] <d-b> so question then -> the repos for kubuntu are the same as ubuntu right ? like my isp doesn't have a special kubuntu repo....
[02:59] <danbhfive> ya
[03:14] <FFForever> dtchen, you still around?
[04:06] <ziroday> dyf: dont zap is a change where ctrl+alt+backspace has been disabled
[04:06] <dyf> ziroday: lol.. seriously?
[04:06] <dyf> why disable it.. and what's the alternative
[04:06] <tritium> dyf: type /topic, and read the Alpha 4 release notes
[04:07] <tritium> Like I said, if you're running jaunty, at least read the release notes at the very least.
[04:07] <dyf> tritium: ok
[04:07] <dyf> reading
[04:23] <dyf> hello
[04:23] <dyf> so if i installed some updates, can i rollback to a time before i installed them?
[04:24] <Amaranth> dyf: Not really, no
[04:24] <Amaranth> dyf: You want to go back to intrepid, I'm guessing?
[04:24] <dyf> Amaranth: no.. i just installed some updates today that screwed up gnome.. i can only login using fluxbox
[04:25] <DanaG> Ah, you can go to /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:25] <DanaG> then manually use dpkg to install older package versions.
[04:25] <dyf> would be great if i could rollback to before i installed today's updates
[04:25] <dyf> actually it was a "partial distro upgrade"
[04:25] <DanaG> If it's just one day, chances are the old versions will still be there.
[04:25] <syockit> yup, that'd be pardus linux or something
[04:26] <Amaranth> Of course downgrades are not supported and can be complicated, even going back a day
[04:26] <syockit> So far, I haven't seen any good intuitive rollback solution for dpkg/apt-based distro
[04:27] <dyf> i found this which talks about the same issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585410
[04:31] <clp> After installed ubuntu alpha 3, my touchpad cann't work on my notebook. How to do?
[04:31] <clp> 9.04 alpha3
[04:33] <syockit> dyf: wow, thanks for the link!
[04:33] <dyf> syockit: what did you find that was useful?
[04:33] <syockit> clp: probably because synaptics drivers aren't installed by default
[04:33] <syockit> dyf: mentions of timevault/flyback
[04:34] <syockit> dyf: at least that got me to know that something is being worked on
[04:35] <syockit> clp: ctrl-alt-f1, do sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all, then restart x
[04:36] <clp> thanks. let me have a try.
[04:36] <clp> after action of ctrl-alt-f1, how to return back?
[04:39] <syockit> clp: ctrl-alt-f7
[04:39] <syockit> clp: then select restart X session
[04:41] <clp> restarting
[04:42] <clp> Ok
[04:43] <clp> Why has so much problem in ubuntu 9.04 alpha 3?
[04:44] <dyf> clp: because it's alpha?
[04:46] <clp> When can ubuntu release chinese version?After installation, It always spent me much time to download language package and input method?
[04:49] <clp> Then there is some noise in my intel-hda sound effect?
[04:52] <clp> In startup, there is a problem of /var/...dhcp3.(lease|listen?) readonly problem?what's about it?
[04:52] <clp> where to view the log?
[04:54] <Amaranth> clp: The noise is probably because you have a realtek codec in there
[04:54] <Amaranth> Hopefully that'll be fixed but no one knows
[04:54] <Amaranth> syockit: I used to work on timevault, it's dead
[04:55] <syockit> ＼(^o^)／
[04:55] <syockit> crazy nepomukservice
[05:02] <clp> Ok, after alter the /etc/dhcp3/dbclient.conf, it worked well.
[05:04] <syockit> clp: about chinese version, that's up to the chinese, whether they have LoCo or not
[05:04] <syockit> clp: for example, Japanese have their own ubuntulinux.jp
[05:05] <clp> alpha3 problem I found: 1 firefox cann't resolve domain name-->ipv6=False;    2 updatation cann't resolve name-->/etc/dhcp3/dbclient.conf: prepend domain-name-servers ..., ...;   3 touch pad no response
[05:17] <clp> Which driver version I should use? video card: Geforce go 7400, option: 180, 173, 96?
[05:17] <clp> 180 recommended?
[05:18] <lymeca> Okay so it seems maybe xserver-xorg-core being at 1.5.99.9 messes up my video drivers
[05:19] <lymeca> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[05:19] <clp> After I set view effect to normal or extended, then ubuntu is continuing run....
[05:19] <lymeca> I tried fglrx and radeon, both packages updated jaunty versions
[05:19] <dyf> is there a pdf viewer that shows white text on black background?
[05:20] <clp> Ok, I used 180 version, it worked ok.
[05:23] <clp> Now my ubuntu worked well, I am very appreciated.
[05:24] <clp> I want to back up ubuntu partition to image file. Can ghost used for ext4 partition's backup?
[05:40] <FFForever2> how do i reconfigure a package?
[05:44] <syockit> FFForever2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure <package name>
[06:22] <Adys> Could someone running jaunty go to System=>Shut Down and confirm you get an unstyled window? something like this http://devcub.com/~adys/shutdown.png
[06:27] <andersk> Yes, but that happens during every Ubuntu release; I wouldn't worry about it.
[06:30] <Adys> oh
[06:30] <Adys> never noticed, its not like i ever use this menu ...
[07:00] <taavikko> anyinfo about x-fi soundcards working in jaunty/ubuntu in general, alsa support?
[07:05] <emet> not sure but there is hope: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=creative_xfi_gift&num=1
[07:08] <taavikko> thanks, read through creatives, own opensource wiki, but not too much info... does it need to be compiled and such
[07:09] <taavikko> maybe I'll buy products from vendors that do support linux :D
[07:09] <bullgard4> taavikko: /join #ubuntu+1
[07:11] <taavikko> bullgard4: this isn't it, joined and this is where i was thronw :)
[07:13] <taavikko> and about x-fi, alsa doesn't yet support it http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAwMw
[07:35] <zniavre> hello
[07:35] <zniavre> i can't start compiz but drivers seems correctly installed
[07:46] <DanaG> Creative is also scum -- take a look on their forums if you want to see why.
[07:47] <Adys> gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting on icon theme install for anyone?
[07:51] <maco> evolution users?
[07:52] <maco> anyone finding that some of their memo or task lists in evolution are missing?
[07:52] <maco> by missing i mean, they're unchecked (so not visible) but they refuse to be checked (and made visible). attempts at creating a new task/memo results in "unable to open tasks in 'Personal'" (or whatever list it is)
[08:03] <DanaG> ugh, stupid gnome video thumbnailer was taking 112% CPU usage.
[08:04] <DanaG> =P
[08:05] <zniavre> 112?
[08:06] <DanaG> yup.  More than 100% of one core.
[08:06] <DanaG> At least that's what htop was reporting.
[08:23] <Adys> adys@azura:~$ glxgears    Error: glXCreateContext failed
[08:23] <Adys> i guess this is due to last xserver-core update (nv 180.27)
[08:27] <clp> After I setted the visual effect,then I cann't enter into desktop. How to do?
[08:28] <clp> I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then it ok. But then?When it will go wrong?
[08:46] <clp> After I active the nvidia 180 driver, I can login but cann't enter Desktop. Now I used the default driver.    How to do?
[08:50] <clp> pint 5
[08:54] <zniavre> clp:  i experienced this it's compiz the issue
[08:54] <zniavre> you should make compiz start in indirect rendering
[08:56] <clp> Where to start compiz?
[08:56] <zniavre> in fact i do not know i started with nv driver unactivated compiz and rebooted with nvidia drivers
[08:57] <zniavre> :-[
[08:57] <zniavre> and gnome session can start normally
[08:57] <clp> ok, thanks. I go to google
[09:50] <Unggnu> hi all
[09:50] <Unggnu> Does Gnome in Jaunty support reverse vnc connections?
[11:03] <gerryxiao> hello
[11:03] <gerryxiao> after updated  januty cant start up
[11:04] <gerryxiao>  Error 24 : Attempt to access block outside partition
[11:04] <gerryxiao> kernel version: 2.6.28-6-generic
[11:04] <gerryxiao> any ideas?
[11:05] <gerryxiao> i'm using ext4
[11:06] <gerryxiao> anyone here?
[11:07] <BUGabundo> guys....
[11:07] <BUGabundo> we have some big prob
[11:07] <BUGabundo> do you remember yesterday everyone coming here and complaining with probs with X and NVidia?
[11:08] <BUGabundo> well, while I was replying to someone right here, my X froze, and I couldn't login again
[11:08] <BUGabundo> only after setting the noveu driver GDM session worked
[11:08] <BUGabundo> not even startx worked
[11:12] <BUGabundo> gathereing now logs, and opening a bug
[11:31] <maxb> BUGabundo: It's already filed...
[11:31] <BUGabundo> maxb: thanks... do you have the ticket for it?
[11:31] <maxb> And the workaround is to downgrade xserver-xorg-core to -0ubuntu1
[11:31]  * maxb hunts bugnumber
[11:32] <BUGabundo> or to not use nvidia
[11:32] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:32] <maxb> LP 326344
[11:32] <BUGabundo> subing now
[11:33] <BUGabundo> maxb: thanks
[11:33] <BUGabundo> humm
[11:34] <BUGabundo> maxb: those are all about compix
[11:34] <BUGabundo> *compiz
[11:34] <BUGabundo> but I don't even have my on
[11:34] <maxb> bug summary probably needs clarifying
[11:35] <BUGabundo> all of the dupes?
[11:36] <maxb> The main bug has comments from someone reporting the same issue with kde
[12:03] <idorock89> hey guys will 9.04 have internet sharing feature which is there in fedora 10?
[12:09] <fosco_> every linux can share internet connection
[12:35] <miik> anyone experienced problems today?
[12:35] <miik> yesterday works fine, today GNOME dont start, it freeze when you login and gnome-panel never appear
[12:35] <BUGabundo> just the X one
[12:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[12:35] <miik> also KDE freezes too...
[12:35] <BUGabundo> that's the one miik
[12:36] <miik> however, KDE using the OpenBox window manager works
[12:36] <BUGabundo> just run the xfix from recovery
[12:36] <BUGabundo> and you will be fine
[12:36] <BUGabundo> but without 3D
[12:36] <fosco_> kde4.2 is working fine here
[12:36] <miik> right now, im running LXDE, it works, and its nice
[12:36] <miik> what is xfix?
[12:36] <virtuelv> anyone notice significant increases in memory use?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> its an option on the recovery console
[12:37] <miik> oh
[12:37] <miik> i dont know what is recovery console
[12:37] <BUGabundo> that runs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[12:37] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: I did!
[12:37] <BUGabundo> no need miik
[12:37] <BUGabundo> just boot into recovery console
[12:37] <miik> how do i do that?
[12:37] <BUGabundo> once you it GRUB
[12:38] <BUGabundo> miik: BOOT the PC, and once you get to GRUB, it ESC
[12:38] <virtuelv> BUGabundo: any known reasons at this stage?
[12:38] <BUGabundo> and select recovery
[12:38] <miik> ah, okie
[12:38] <BUGabundo> then choose xfix
[12:38] <miik> aye
[12:38] <BUGabundo> no idea virtuelv
[12:38] <virtuelv> I'm testing on a laptop with 1GB, it's downright painful
[12:38] <BUGabundo> but it is disturbing
[12:38] <miik> alright
[12:38] <BUGabundo> 4GiBs on 64bits
[12:38] <virtuelv> X alone is using over 100MiB now
[12:40] <BUGabundo> that's not much
[12:41] <BUGabundo> $ top | grep X
[12:41] <BUGabundo>  5165 root     137m  16m 355m  20   0 S  4.8  3.5   3:38.25 /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten
[13:00] <syockit> hoho I have it at 154m
[13:00] <miik> xfix worked.. but it made new xorg.conf file, that did use nv instead of nvidia proprietary driver
[13:00] <miik> so then i changed back the xorg.conf file to my old one, that used nvidia proprietary driver
[13:00] <miik> and then it dont work again
[13:00] <miik> i wanted to use the proprietary cuz it has 3D and can play games
[13:03] <miik> btw, LXDE is crazy fast...
[13:03] <miik> GNOME is horrible slow
[13:14] <virtuelv> miik: that's a known issue at this stage
[13:15] <virtuelv> read the changelog
[13:17] <virtuelv> or it was, at least in alpha3, the note is gone from alpha 4
[13:18] <BUGabundo> miik: if you want a stable system use a stable release!
[13:18] <BUGabundo> devel version can and WILL cause breakeage
[13:19] <virtuelv> fwiw, I _really_ dislike this change: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts
[13:19] <virtuelv> as much as we may dislike it, the web is built around 96 DPI, and anything else will break how the web looks
[13:21] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: diff bug
[13:21] <BUGabundo> the one in A3 was the abi ignore
[13:21] <BUGabundo> this one is new
[13:21] <BUGabundo> just started yesterday with new Xorg
[13:21] <virtuelv> hm
[13:23] <miik> virtuelv, win and mac use 96 dpi?
[13:23] <miik> BUGabundo, yeah, i thnik so
[13:24] <BUGabundo> miik: not always
[13:24] <BUGabundo> and so shouldn't Linux
[13:24] <BUGabundo> now, FINALLY GNOME is fixed
[13:24] <BUGabundo> my X recomened 112DPIs for my 13.3" laptop
[13:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:24] <BUGabundo> had to set 96 again
[13:26] <virtuelv> BUGabundo: 112DPI is probably correct for 13.3" at 1280x800, or so
[13:27] <virtuelv> the problem is that how designers have used pixels on the web doesn't jive with that
[13:27] <virtuelv> (The CSS pixel does not correspond to a device pixel, but instead is a relative unit based on a view angle)
[13:28] <SwedeMike> hm, mine (1280x800 12.1") says 96 DPI.. .but after the last update I have larger system font than before (both in the toolbars and in Firefox), and I dont think the DPI setting has changed
[13:30] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: make sure of the value
[13:30] <SwedeMike> which value? DPI?
[13:31] <SwedeMike> my Xorg.0.log.old says 96 DPI which is the same as Xorg.0.log
[13:31] <BUGabundo> why
[13:31] <BUGabundo> y
[13:31] <BUGabundo> ok
[13:33] <SwedeMike> xdpyinfo says resolution:    125x125 dots per inch
[13:33] <BUGabundo> ahh
[13:34] <SwedeMike> which I think is correct
[13:34] <SwedeMike> 125 is also in the System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Details
[13:35] <BUGabundo> so its not 96 as u said
[13:35] <SwedeMike> so now I have changed all fonts in Appearence > Fonts to size 7, and now everything looks more propotional. They were set to 10 before
[13:36] <SwedeMike> swmike@swm-laptop:/var/log$ cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log  | grep DPI
[13:36] <SwedeMike> [1 sec: 567945 usec](==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:37] <BUGabundo> 7 is to small for my eyes
[13:37] <SwedeMike> well, 7 means they're roughly the same size they were with a fresh alpha 3 install
[13:37] <SwedeMike> I dont know what changed.
[13:38] <SwedeMike> with 10 they were huuuuge
[13:38] <BUGabundo> yep
[13:38] <BUGabundo> that's what we are discussing here
[13:40] <SwedeMike> and this came after me installing updates yesterday (I do this at least every two days) and rebooting
[13:42] <virtuelv> arve@galactica:~$  cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log  | grep DPI
[13:42] <virtuelv> (==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:42] <virtuelv> (**) intel(0): DPI set to (99, 171)
[13:42] <virtuelv> 99,171!?
[13:43] <miik> [1 sec: 271944 usec](--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (93, 95); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[13:43] <miik> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (93, 95); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[13:43] <miik> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI
[13:43] <miik> (==) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (75, 75); computed from built-in default
[13:43] <miik> (==) VESA(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:44] <BUGabundo> [2 sec: 426220 usec](==) NV(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:44] <BUGabundo> (**) VESA(0): DPI set to (68, 65)
[13:44] <BUGabundo> (==) VESA(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[13:44] <miik> 65, aeeeeeeeeh
[13:46] <BUGabundo> miik: makes sense for VESA
[13:46] <BUGabundo> but I'm on NV
[13:47] <miik> oh
[14:05] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  I just upgraded my test host and dhcp seems to fail at adding the default route in Jaunty.  is there any known fix?
[14:06] <BUGabundo> Q-FUNK: is the interface managed or un-managed?
[14:07] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: everything is handled by n-m
[14:07] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:07] <BUGabundo> cable or wifi?
[14:07] <Q-FUNK> wifi
[14:09] <BUGabundo> open, wep, wpa, wpa2, enterprise?
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> the interface correctly has an IP and /etc/resolv.conf shows appropriate content.  however, no default route exists.  manualy adding one with "route add default gw {router IP}" works.
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> wpa2
[14:10] <Q-FUNK> I'd be lead to beleive that some dhcp3-client hook is not executed, but I'm not sure how I'd verify this.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> did you find any similar bug on LP?
[14:11] <Q-FUNK> nothing so far.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> please open a new one
[14:12] <BUGabundo> and if you can, please run a live CD of a previous version
[14:12] <BUGabundo> and also try the version of NM, available on the NM PPA
[14:12] <Q-FUNK> team NM has its own PPA?
[14:13] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[14:13] <BUGabundo> yep
[14:13] <Q-FUNK> ok
[14:14] <Q-FUNK> anyhow, it's the only bug so far since uprading this to jaunty.  it's just that having to manually add the gw to the routing table obviously is a regression.
[14:14] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[14:15] <BUGabundo> thats why we need you to test the PPA version
[14:15] <BUGabundo> so that asac can patch it
[14:22] <BUGabundo> $ xvinfo  \n  X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present
[14:22] <BUGabundo> any idea what this means?
[15:18] <ali1234> some update in the past 24 hrs has broken my wifi
[15:18] <ali1234> wep 128 - it keeps asking me for the key over and over
[15:19] <ali1234> i'm using ath5k - and it worked fine yesterday
[16:35] <rtr> hi there, i just installed the current Jaunty and after first boot i installed the drivers for my nvidia card. Xorg works because i can see the background wallpaper and my mouse but nothing else (like start menu, desktop icons) starts
[16:36] <rtr> alt+f2 doesnt work, but i can switch to console using crtl+alt+f2
[16:36] <BUGabundo> rtr: strange
[16:37] <rtr> is there a logfile wich i should check for debuging?
[17:27] <saulus> (jaunty): since my x-server upgrade yesterday I cant use gnome/kde/xmonad any longer. Is there a solution available?
[17:27] <BUGabundo> saulus: start in recovery consolse
[17:27] <BUGabundo> and run xfix
[17:28] <BUGabundo> to reconfigure xserve-org
[17:28] <BUGabundo> you will lose 3D
[17:28] <saulus> how do i start in recovery-console? I have my root - shell here
[17:28] <BUGabundo> reboot the laptop, when you hit GRUB, press ESC
[17:28] <BUGabundo> select recovery console
[17:28] <saulus> k
[17:29] <syockit> you mean to select the second line?
[17:29] <BUGabundo> y
[17:29] <BUGabundo> and then xfix
[17:29] <syockit> some lucky people have two computers it seems
[17:29] <saulus> is there a command for starting xfix?
[17:29] <BUGabundo> heehe
[17:30] <BUGabundo> yes
[17:30] <BUGabundo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[17:30] <saulus> k
[17:30] <BUGabundo> but I my have made typo mistakes
[17:31] <rtr> there is a problem known with 3d drivers on jaunty?
[17:31] <BUGabundo> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[17:31] <syockit> which? fglrx maybe
[17:31] <legodude> yes
[17:31] <BUGabundo> I already said the same 10 times
[17:31] <syockit> yes, but maybe different occasions
[17:31] <BUGabundo> rtr xorg update broke 3D
[17:32] <BUGabundo> just reconfigure xserver
[17:32] <syockit> but my 3d works! glxgears with 778 fps
[17:33] <BUGabundo> just yesterday we were talking about /topic warnings! we need to have this bug there
[17:33] <BUGabundo> its CRITICAL
[17:33] <BUGabundo> syockit: did you upgrade»
[17:33] <BUGabundo> ?
[17:33] <syockit> I suppose everyone who jumps into the channel should be directed to read release note first
[17:33] <BUGabundo> are you running nvidia?
[17:33] <syockit> I'm intel
[17:33] <BUGabundo> its not in the release notes
[17:33] <BUGabundo> just came yesterday
[17:33] <syockit> yay for intel! It's passed it's doomed period
[17:33] <BUGabundo> intel uses the opendriver
[17:33] <syockit> now only nvidia/ati left
[17:33] <BUGabundo> not proprietary
[17:34] <BUGabundo> noveu driver also works
[17:34] <BUGabundo> I'm using it right now
[17:34] <saulus> BUGabundo: thank you, it solved my problem - but I wonder: The nvidia driver gets loaded fine (at least the splash shows up) - so where does it fail?
[17:34] <Welshman> geez Jaunty does demeted a drive :(
[17:34] <BUGabundo> I know
[17:35] <Welshman> deleted even
[17:35] <BUGabundo> it must be a bug with X/gdm session
[17:35] <BUGabundo> but it also happens on KDE
[17:35]  * BUGabundo :( shrugs
[17:35] <legodude> you mean nvidia not loading kde?
[17:35] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:35] <Welshman> lost a load of stuff, just on a simple partition thing
[17:35] <BUGabundo> or ati
[17:35] <rtr> BUGabundo do you know a bugreport on launchpad?
[17:36] <BUGabundo> let me get it
[17:36] <legodude> grrr
[17:36] <BUGabundo> not on my log
[17:36] <BUGabundo> just a sec
[17:36] <Welshman> Has Jaunty a nown partition failure?
[17:36] <Welshman> known
[17:37] <BUGabundo> Welshman: 1st time I ear about it
[17:37] <syldeb35> Bug #326344
[17:37] <Welshman> went for the simple partition as I usually do with Ubuntu and it failed and wiped the whole drive clean
[17:38] <rtr> thanks alot  BUGabundo
[17:38] <BUGabundo> thanks syldeb35
[17:38] <BUGabundo> can some one put that bug on /Topic?
[17:38] <BUGabundo> Pici: ^^^
[17:38] <saulus> how do I change my system lang (the keyboard-set)?
[17:38] <saulus> in the CONSOLE
[17:39] <legodude> I don't understand how that bug could have gotten out
[17:40] <Welshman> yeah he does that
[17:44] <Welshman> Anyway, thought you should know, I went to edit a partition with jaunty tonight as usual with Ubuntu and it failed, but it wiped the whole drive clean.  I saw a warning as ever but trusted but this time I should have listened.
[17:44] <Welshman> No idea why it did that?
[17:45] <Welshman> Any majorr changes in the partitioning of Jaunty?
[17:49] <fosco_> ext4 support
[17:58] <syockit> it's still not default, if I'm not mistaken
[17:59] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:59] <BUGabundo> not default
[17:59] <charlie-tca> syockit: according to release notes, it won't be made default in jaunty
[18:00] <BUGabundo> +1
[18:00] <syockit> how did he edit the partition anyway...
[18:07] <DanaG> Time for testdisk, to recover partition table?
[18:08] <DanaG> !info TestDisk
[18:08] <DanaG> !info testdisk
[18:11] <twoheadedboy> Hello everyone, I was wondering if you all could give me some general info about upgrading Ubuntu development releases. For instance, has any tried upgrading from 9.04 Alpha 3 to Alpha 4 rather than doing a fresh install? I'm just curious because I'm very interested in trying Alpha 4, don't mind some bugs, but I find the process of installing a distro from scratch tediuous...
[18:11] <twoheadedboy> ...so it would be more ideal for me if I could continue to upgrade through to the final release
[18:14] <BUGabundo> twoheadedboy: should be the same!
[18:15] <BUGabundo> and you dotn need to use milestones
[18:15] <BUGabundo> there are available dailies
[18:15] <BUGabundo>  !dailies
[18:15] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[18:15] <twoheadedboy> but don't the dailies have higher potential for install bugs? I thought the alpha releases were "more stable" at least on the install end of things?
[18:18] <DanaG> ugh, stupid nvidia... it DOES give only the desktop background on Gnome login.
[18:18] <BUGabundo> it can have, sure
[18:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: known bug
[18:18] <BUGabundo> Bug #326344
[18:18] <BUGabundo> grr someone should change that subject
[18:19] <DanaG> that's why I said, "it DOES do it" -- a confirmation.
[18:19] <DanaG> Oh, and Metacity is affected too.
[18:19] <DanaG> ... if you have compositing.
[18:19] <DanaG> Ugh, and it booted at 800x600, for some reason.
[18:20] <DanaG> Oh, I know why...
[18:20] <DanaG> the LCD claims to be 969x768.
[18:20] <DanaG> Damn Toshiba.
[18:21]  * DanaG switches that system back to nouveau.
[18:21] <DanaG> Last time I tried the nvidia on X server 1.6, it just segfaulted the X server.
[18:24] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:27] <DanaG> 969x768... that's just plain stupid.
[18:28] <BUGabundo> lolol
[18:35] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:44] <ccooke> Hmm.
[18:45] <DanaG> In fact, that 966x768 even affects the Windows drivers.
[18:46] <ccooke> the flow of package updates for Jaunty seems different to previous releases (as in: I'm seeing a lower rate of updates than I'm used to at this point in the dev cycle)
[19:17] <beligerant> jaunty's good prog.
[19:18] <beligerant> sorry, boring.
[19:18] <BUGabundo> spammer
[19:24] <DrHalan> there used to be a soudn applet in the notifcation area. with alpha 4 is igone..
[19:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Hah! I see *two* different mixers applets
[19:27] <IntuitiveNipple> gnome-volume-applet and mixer_applet2
[19:27] <DrHalan> yeah but mixer applet2 is nicer
[19:27] <DrHalan> it fit sinto the notification area
[19:32] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: you have to remove the .desktop of the older
[19:33] <BUGabundo> some ppl the update didn't go too well
[19:33] <BUGabundo> there is a bug for it on LP
[19:33] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: nice :) thanks
[19:36] <DrHalan> BUGabundo: i cant find the bug sadly :(
[19:43] <imme-emosol> To change my password from the command-line I should be typing the command passwd , right?
[19:44] <imme-emosol> When I do this for a newly added user, or for the root user, it just tells me: password updated successfully
[19:47] <imme-emosol> With m normal user-account it asks me my current password and the it tells me the password updated successfully .
[19:48] <imme-emosol> Is it something that still had to be worked out, or is my system weird?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> imme-emosol: it just changes the user pass
[19:49] <BUGabundo> sudo passwd USERNAME will change ANY user pass
[19:49] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: yes, it should, but it doesn't, normally it's like three stages, right?
[19:49] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:49] <BUGabundo> starts, you enter the pass, and its done
[19:50] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: But It does not ask me for a new password.
[19:50] <BUGabundo> dinner
[19:50] <BUGabundo> brb
[19:50] <imme-emosol> k
[19:53] <charlie-tca> imme-emosol: I think because it ignores you if you did not include all the parts: Usage: passwd [options] [LOGIN]
[19:55] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: I type(newuser is the name of the new user): passwd newuser
[19:55] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: Then it just tells me it had updated successfully, which I don't understand.
[19:56] <charlie-tca> type passwd --help
[19:56] <charlie-tca> It may be adding a new user without any password, and when you log in as the user, it will ask for the password. It is also possible to create a user without a password
[19:58] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: Yes, at the moment I have a user without a password, which I don't like and I want to change this.
[19:58] <imme-emosol> But somehow that cannot be done.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Try logging into the terminal as root and changing it for the user?
[19:59] <imme-emosol> It again just tells me it updated succesfully.
[20:00] <imme-emosol> I tried it using sudo su - and also with sudo -s
[20:00] <imme-emosol> both unfortunately did not do the trick.
[20:02] <charlie-tca> probably have to use "passwd -ue LOGIN" to unlock the password. Then log in as that user and it should ask for a password
[20:02] <DanaG> odd... rebooting from X with Nouveau resulted in the next boot having completely corrupt video up until X started again.
[20:02] <DanaG> .... even the BIOS splash was corrupted.
[20:04] <imme-emosol> charlie-tca: Also no luck.
[20:04] <imme-emosol> DanaG: What's even more odd is that x won't go past loading the background... :P
[20:05] <DanaG> For me it did, on Nouveau.
[20:05] <imme-emosol> DanaG: Is there a way to be sure compiz is disabled from command-line?
[20:06] <DanaG> you can sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/compiz.real
[20:06] <DanaG> Makes the compiz binary not executable.
[20:07] <DanaG> When you want to re-enable it, do +x instead.
[20:08] <kab> I have a problem starting my Gnome Session
[20:08] <kab> I get this error
[20:08] <kab> ** Message: init gpgme version 1.1.8
[20:08] <kab> x-session-manager[31997]: WARNING: Application 'seahorse-daemon.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[20:08] <charlie-tca> imme-emosol: sounds like bug reporting time
[20:08] <kab> x-session-manager[31997]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-panel.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[20:09] <kab> x-session-manager[31997]: WARNING: Application 'nautilus.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[20:09] <mphill_> kab: can you not get gnome to get up the desktop environment?
[20:09] <kab> mphill_, yeap
[20:10] <mphill_> i'm pretty much locked out too
[20:10] <kab> I am using WindowMaker right now
[20:10] <mphill_> nice choice my friend
[20:10] <kab> :)
[20:10] <kab> and there run gnome-panel and it's working very well
[20:11] <mphill_> oh
[20:11] <mphill_> nice
[20:11] <mphill_> i'm just in the console, but i will try that out for sure
[20:11] <mphill_> later
[20:16] <kab> mphill_, so you have exactly the same problem that me
[20:16] <imme-emosol> kab: Thanks for the perfect tip!   I am figurly speaking smashing my head in right now, not undertstanding why I did not myself come up with the idea to install another window-manager besides gnome...
[20:17] <kab> imme-emosol, it's not perfect but works :)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> imme-emosol: I said at the beginning: sudo passwd USERNAME
[20:19] <BUGabundo> kab known bug
[20:20] <kab> I am searching the bug in launchpad
[20:20] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: I know, I tried that but that does not work.
[20:20] <BUGabundo> Bug #326344
[20:20] <BUGabundo> should be on !topic
[20:21] <imme-emosol> BUGabundo: It just prints out this      passwd: password updated successfully
[20:24] <imme-emosol> brb
[20:27] <kab> trying
[20:44] <kab> I am running my gnome with the bug tip thank you BUGabundo :)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> everyone is
[20:44] <BUGabundo> unless they own intel GPU
[20:45] <legodude_> <---- :)
[20:46] <kab> when I am playing mp3 I get pauses, I am using audacious
[20:46]  * DanaG is using radeon.
[20:46] <BUGabundo> kab: pauses or mutes?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> PA 9.14 or 9.15
[20:46] <kab> BUGabundo, mutes
[20:46] <DanaG> My biggest gripe with it is not the lack of acceleration, but rather the lack of power management.
[20:47] <BUGabundo> GPM seem to be running here
[20:47] <BUGabundo> didn't test it dought
[20:47] <centaur5> I know I need to file a bug but I'm not sure what the culprit is going to be.  Installing Intrepid or Jaunty alpha 3 will complete on my system but Grub won't actually boot it just says "GRUB loading, please wait". Upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid via apt-get caused Intrepid to boot fine but now I want to try Jaunty.
[20:47] <kab> BUGabundo, pulseaudio 0.9.14
[20:48] <DanaG> Mine is 0.9.14.
[20:48] <DanaG> Where can I get 0.9.15?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> ~/themuso PPA
[20:48] <BUGabundo> for testing ONLY
[20:49] <DanaG> Aah, oddly enough, I do have that enabled.
[20:49] <BUGabundo> will not be ported to jaunty
[20:49] <DanaG> What's new in 0.9.15, anyway?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> DanaG: run apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[20:49] <kab> BUGabundo, Jaunty will be shipped with 0.9.14?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio:
[20:49] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[20:49] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa4
[20:49] <BUGabundo>   Version table:
[20:49] <BUGabundo>  *** 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa4 0
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main Packages
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:49] <BUGabundo>      0.9.14-0ubuntu4 0
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         500 ftp://darkstar.ist.utl.pt jaunty/main Packages
[20:49] <BUGabundo>         500 ftp://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages
[20:49] <BUGabundo> kab YES
[20:49] <BUGabundo> with many GIT patch
[20:49] <DanaG> oh yeah, I see... I have it in my intrepid sources.list, but not in my jaunty one.
[20:50] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:50] <kab> BUGabundo, how I can install PulseAudio 0.9.15?
[20:50] <DanaG> Last time I tweaked my sources, the PPA didn't have Jaunty, so I commented out that entry to avoid 404 errors.
[20:50] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:50] <BUGabundo> I do that when I distupgrade
[20:50] <BUGabundo> and around A1
[20:50] <BUGabundo> then I stop caring unless I get errors
[20:50] <BUGabundo> until the next pre-alpha release
[20:50] <BUGabundo> eehhehe
[20:53] <DanaG> What's new in 0.9.15?
[20:53] <lymeca> Is fglrx broken in jaunty?
[20:54] <surfaz> lymeca, yes
[20:54] <lymeca> surfaz: is it the kernel?
[20:55] <lymeca> 2.6.28?  Or the xserver-xorg-core version?
[20:55] <BUGabundo> DanaG: no idea. ask grisum or themuso
[20:55] <BUGabundo> lymeca: YES
[20:55] <BUGabundo> Bug #326344
[20:55] <surfaz> lymeca, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha3#Known%20Issues
[20:55] <surfaz> A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha 3. The binary proprietary drivers -fglrx and -nvidia are not yet supported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it. Users of these drivers are encouraged to wait or to switch to the corresponding open source drivers 4(-ati and -nv respectively) in the meantime.
[20:55] <BUGabundo> surfaz: that's another bug
[20:56] <BUGabundo> this was just yesterday
[20:56] <lymeca> Hmm, I wonder if I can downgrde xserver to intrepid and keep everything else jaunty
[20:57] <DanaG> I've done it, but it results in X server eating 100% of one core for me.
[20:57] <DanaG> So, it's not a viable option.
[20:57] <BUGabundo> lymeca: no need to use ibex
[20:57] <BUGabundo> you may still have the old one in cache
[20:57] <BUGabundo> so just go to synaptic and FORCE the old version
[20:58] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ibex X is not compatible with current jaunty stack
[20:58] <DanaG> Yeah, I figured something like that.
[20:58] <DanaG> At least radeon ⋙ nv.
[20:59] <lymeca> DanaG: This is true
[20:59] <lymeca> However, I have an HD 2600
[20:59] <lymeca> r6xx = no accel whatsoever with radeon
[20:59] <DanaG> I have an HD3650.
[20:59] <DanaG> for me, the lack of power management is the bigger deal.
[20:59] <lymeca> Same generation.
[20:59] <lymeca> Ah, interesting.
[20:59] <lymeca> I have a Mobility HD 2600 actually
[21:00] <lymeca> in an Asus laptop=
[21:00] <DanaG> Mobility for me, also.
[21:00] <BUGabundo> what up with GPM for you DanaG?
[21:00] <DanaG> HP EliteBook 8530w.
[21:00] <DanaG> GPM meaning GPM (the console mouse thingy) or G-P-M (gnome-power-manager)?
[21:01] <lymeca> graphics power management?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> G-P-M
[21:02] <BUGabundo> humm are you saying graphics?
[21:02] <BUGabundo> is it even managed??
[21:02] <lymeca> BUGabundo: But yeah you think that ibex X.Org + jaunty fglrx 9.1 will fail
[21:03] <DanaG> But I also tried the Intrepid LiveUSB, and 9.1 failed on that, too.
[21:03] <DanaG> Anything newer than 8.543 gives me a kernel panic, essentially.
[21:03] <BUGabundo> don't recommend it!
[21:03] <BUGabundo> either use opensource drivers or try to downgrade from cache
[21:05] <DanaG> read my sentence.
[21:05] <DanaG> Even Intrepid breaks.
[21:05] <DanaG> Actual Intrepid.
[21:06] <DanaG> So anyway, I'm on open-source on Jaunty; so be it.
[21:06] <DanaG> I just pray they unbreak fglrx when they fix it for X server 1.6.
[21:06] <DanaG> ... because for me, it's broken even for Intrepid.
[21:07] <BUGabundo> DanaG: my reply was to lymeca
[21:07] <DanaG> ah.
[21:07] <lymeca> I wonder if Catalyst 9.2 will work with xserver 1.6
[21:08] <BUGabundo> guys ask on #ubuntu-x
[21:08] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:08] <DanaG> Nope, it won't.
[21:08] <DanaG> or rather.
[21:08] <DanaG> 9.1. doesn't.
[21:08] <DanaG> And 9.2 has been leaked... and doesn't.
[21:08] <lymeca> aw damn
[21:37] <miik> gnome freezes at login since of today... is there any bug report about this
[21:37] <miik> ?
[21:39] <kab> miik, yes this is https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344
[21:40] <miik> oh
[21:40] <miik> thx
[21:41] <BUGabundo> Fri Feb 13 23:31:30 WET 2009
[21:41] <BUGabundo> kab: isn't there another bug for that, but with a much better subject
[21:42] <kab> BUGabundo, i haven't seen
[21:43] <BUGabundo> can you fix the subject?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> it has nothing to do with compiz
[21:44] <miik> hope its fixed soon
[21:46] <BUGabundo> 36h and couting
[21:49] <DanaG> Odd.. .the PPA pulse 0.9.15 doesn't have all the 0.9.15 features.
[21:50] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/query?status=closed&milestone=0.9.15
[21:50] <DanaG> Argh, the PPA doesn't have the pulseaudio utilities!
[21:50] <DanaG> Grr.
[21:50] <DanaG> In fact, the utilities are still 0.9.6!
[21:51] <DanaG> That's 9 versions old.
[21:53] <miik> :(
[21:54] <DanaG> Really really really od.
[21:54] <DanaG> old.
[21:54] <miik> someone need update it, i cant :(
[21:55] <DanaG> Anyone know how to build a newer version?
[21:55] <DanaG> That really rather irritates me.
[21:56] <miik> you have to download it from website, compile it, then build a package, then upload it to PPA
[21:56] <miik> complex :(
[21:57] <BUGabundo> or simply ask crisum or themuso!
[21:58] <DanaG> Neither is here right now.
[21:58] <DanaG> Anyway, I don't need it to be "today", but I would like to see it upgraded "some time".
[21:58] <miik> yeah, agree
[21:58] <syockit> you should check out the motu pages on wiki
[21:59] <syockit> then they'll lead to debian package maintainers guide that points out what you need to do to upgrade packages
[22:00] <syockit> I did a couple of package upgrades myself, but never had a working one to be published
[22:01] <DanaG> It's also still not detecting my HDMI port.
[22:02] <DanaG> That was one of the things it was supposed to fix.
[22:02] <erle-> how is filename encryption implemented in the "private home folder"?
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the new PA 0.9.15 actually still doesn't add HDMI.
[22:31] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/139
[22:31] <DanaG> Fixed?  Not quite.
[22:31] <miik> :(
[23:27] <ccooke> Odd. I can't recall the last time I had no packages to update at all in a day this early in a release's life :-)