[00:00] is there any other archive manager besides fileroller? [00:00] whait a moment [00:02] kk [00:02] FFForever, you are running Ubuntu 9.04 alright ? [00:02] yeah [00:03] FFForever, try 'sudo apt-get install p7zip' [00:03] FFForever, and try open the file left [00:04] thanks =) [00:04] woot! [00:04] FFForever, you are wellcome :) [00:04] ;) [00:05] how come that is not installed by default? [00:05] FFForever, Bug #261117 [00:05] Launchpad bug 261117 in p7zip "p7zip package should be installed by default" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261117 [00:05] ahhh [00:05] FFForever, its not installed in 8.04 too [00:06] maybe i installed it dunno =\ [00:06] it just worked fine for me =) [00:06] probably [00:07] FFForever, Thanks to Mark ^^ [00:07] Zetto: That takes too much disc space [00:07] Zetto: We have to have zip/unzip and such installed anyway as other things need them so we just use those in file-roller [00:08] why do i have to download the windows crud (abiword, oo) when i want linux not windows =P [00:09] FFForever: transition [00:09] =( [00:09] thats what 100mb i could save? [00:09] (downloading) [00:11] Amaranth, i really wanna see Bug #251173 solved in ubuntu+1, but the Feature Freezes already pass ... what do you think ? [00:11] Launchpad bug 251173 in netbeans-ide "Update NetBeans to 6.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251173 [00:11] FFForever: no, less then that [00:12] Zetto: #ubuntu-motu, if you're willing to do the packaging [00:12] Amaranth, thanks [00:21] FFForever: do a network install if it bothers you that much [01:06] what is the difference from aptitude and apt? [01:10] FFForever: "apt" really refers to a suite. it's normally referred to as "apt-get" or its dselect method. [01:11] FFForever: "aptitude" relies on apt but is arguably more intelligent in attempting to resolve dependencies [01:11] ahhh [01:12] dtchen, are the pa updates safe 2 install... last time i upgraded pa i load audio lol [01:12] i lost audio*** [01:13] which pa updates? [01:14] there are a bunch of them in my update manager right now =) [01:14] for jaunty proper or for luke's ppa? [01:14] jaunty and what is luke's ppa? [01:15] the jaunty ones are fine; i run them for at least a day before luke grabs my changes and uploads them to jaunty proper [01:15] luke's ppa has the latest upstream test snapshot, which currently is 0.9.15-test1 [01:15] dtchen, you are the one in charge of pa? [01:16] beware that his current ppa packages have a bug; i've already sent him a patch [01:16] FFForever: i'm historically the audio maintainer; i stepped down some releases ago, but i still work within the audio team [01:16] ahhh cool so why did ubuntu move from alsa to pa? [01:17] well, the timing for that was beyond my control. i would have wished it to occur in ubuntu 8.10 instead of ubuntu 8.04, but that's water under the bridge. [01:17] but why make the change? [01:17] and - ubuntu moved to PA because it is the future of Linux desktop audio. [01:17] ahhh [01:18] dtchen, did the problem with sound being played by more then 1 app ever get fixed? [01:18] i know on 8.04 pa locks my audio to only 1 app =\ [01:19] it was (and in some ways continues to be) a chicken-and-egg problem: without testers, bugs won't be caught as quickly, but migrating to it will cause growing paints [01:19] pains* [01:19] FFForever: well, that symptom is the notorious lack of hardware multiopen [01:19] multiopen? [01:20] Windows and Mac OS spoil their users by exposing one layer for sound abstraction regardless whether the underlying audio hardware supports streaming multiple things simultaneously [01:21] dtchen, i just wish ubuntu supporters/helpers would move from rtfm in every response... i think ur the first one to actually not tell me rtfm =\ [01:21] historically, only Sound Blaster and Turtle Beach cards were famous for offering that [01:21] cool =) [01:21] FFForever: I used the forums guide to pulseaudio configuration and never had any issues with it, on Hardy or Intrepid. [01:21] ALSA has offered a software abstraction called dmix (playback) and dsnoop (capture) since 1.0.9b, but it doesn't work for all audio apps [01:22] FFForever: so your issue is that not every alsa app uses those abstractions [01:23] dtchen, do u know how i can get my mic working (i have never been able 2 lol) i don't know if its a pa or an ubuntu thing =\ [01:23] for example, JACK, Audacity, Timidity, and PulseAudio all really, really, really want raw hw (called hw:) access [01:24] so on audio hardware that only supports one outgoing stream at a time, if PulseAudio has grabbed hw:, then JACK, Audacity, and Timidity will fail to start [01:24] well raw hw access is better right since it can just route everything itself and not have 2 code for drivers, etc [01:24] dtchen, yeah i always have 2 start audacity as root =) [01:25] hw: is exclusive access; to be able to use it with multiple apps, your audio card needs to support hardware multiopen, and currently only certain Creative, Ensoniq, Turtle Beach, C-Media cards do so [01:26] only a handful of Realtek HDA hardware does, but that support has not been added to the alsa driver for most of them [01:26] i have a high definition audio card =\ [01:27] (the default one for hp products) [01:27] (i'm not going to discuss oss, because that's a wider scope - for instance, Nvidia has a proprietary oss driver that correctly mmaps their native soundstorm hw) [01:28] (not to mention that their oss driver doesn't particularly play well with the alsa-lib oss routing - i.e., the pcm.oss routing, not alsa-kernel's oss emulation) [01:28] i remember getting xp to have sound was fun lol =) [01:28] ew [01:29] dtchen, any idea on how i can get my mic 2 work in ubuntu? [01:29] anyhow, the audio stack itself is very convoluted (i.e., http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png), but pulseaudio is one component that is the way forward [01:29] FFForever: well, does it work with alsa (i.e., without pulseaudio running or grabbing the sound card(s))? [01:30] dtchen, it has never work in linux for me =\, i don't play with configs since i tend 2 break them and well i can never fix them =) [01:30] FFForever: it's a known issue for some Dell hardware [01:30] certain Sigmatel HDA 92xx codecs don't have the fix yet [01:30] this is a hp dv6000 something =\ [01:31] which dv6000 model? [01:31] 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1) [01:31] look on the underside of the laptop and read out the model no. right above the warranty bit [01:31] dtchen, i think its a dv6810us [01:32] that should be supported just fine in 1.0.19 [01:32] =\, nope audacity cant record =( [01:32] i don't think the additions have been backported to jaunty's linux source yet [01:32] do i need 2 install something extra? [01:33] are you using jaunty's linux for alsa-kernel, or did you compile 1.0.19 from alsa-project.org yourself? [01:34] dtchen, this should be nearly a stock 9.04 i just upgraded from 8.10 [01:35] right, your sound driver doesn't have the necessary fixes yet [01:35] any idea when i should see the fixes? (in a month, 2, tmw?) [01:36] FFForever: have you run the http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh tool? [01:38] dtchen, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=76ead5ae08acf626e52df335bba932be946a6331 [01:38] Huh. [01:39] New install of jaunty. Just updated for the first time. [01:39] I've been waiting for it to log in for about five minutes. It got as far as setting the wallpaper, but that's the only thing it's done [01:39] known? [01:40] ccooke: on kubuntu, it seems to be manifest, yes [01:40] this is ubuntu, not kubuntu [01:40] is gdm broken? i havent had time to read the lists [01:40] i can't reproduce this on an upgraded ubuntu [01:40] however, i am *not* using gdm ATM [01:41] Not sure if it's gdm, the gnome startup or something else, yet [01:41] ccooke: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1061919 [01:41] ccooke: was that to me? [01:42] ill brb 10-15mins [01:42] FFForever: yeah, you seem to be missing a quirk [01:42] killbillkill: ah, thanks. Trying it... [01:44] fixed [01:44] thank you [01:44] :) [02:02] hello [02:02] i installed the latest partial upgrade and i can't log in using gnome [02:03] i see the desktop and then everything goes black [02:03] any ideas? [02:10] dyf1: Broken driver [02:11] dyf1: login in the failsafe gnome session, it won't start compiz [02:18] Amaranth: i'll try that later.. thanks [02:19] Amaranth: but... but.. i want my SPINNAN CUBEZ [02:19] isn't there another way? [02:22] dyf1: not if you use fglrx [02:24] Amaranth: do you have a minute to tell me what that is? [02:24] excuse my ignorance [02:24] dyf1: driver needed for Radeon HD cards to get 3d [02:28] but i have nvidia [02:28] nvidia geforce 7150M [02:31] Amaranth: ? [02:32] dyf1: In that case it should have already been fixed [02:32] dyf1: But I guess it may take a couple days [02:35] Amaranth: couple of days to what? to get more fixes? [02:35] dyf1: yeah [02:36] i see [02:36] thanks Amaranth [02:51] hi there in jaunty there is only kde 4.11 ? [02:53] oh nevermind kubuntu has 4.2... [02:58] so question then -> the repos for kubuntu are the same as ubuntu right ? like my isp doesn't have a special kubuntu repo.... [02:59] ya [03:14] dtchen, you still around? === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo [04:06] dyf: dont zap is a change where ctrl+alt+backspace has been disabled [04:06] ziroday: lol.. seriously? [04:06] why disable it.. and what's the alternative [04:06] dyf: type /topic, and read the Alpha 4 release notes [04:07] Like I said, if you're running jaunty, at least read the release notes at the very least. [04:07] tritium: ok [04:07] reading [04:23] hello [04:23] so if i installed some updates, can i rollback to a time before i installed them? [04:24] dyf: Not really, no [04:24] dyf: You want to go back to intrepid, I'm guessing? [04:24] Amaranth: no.. i just installed some updates today that screwed up gnome.. i can only login using fluxbox [04:25] Ah, you can go to /var/cache/apt/archives [04:25] then manually use dpkg to install older package versions. [04:25] would be great if i could rollback to before i installed today's updates [04:25] actually it was a "partial distro upgrade" [04:25] If it's just one day, chances are the old versions will still be there. [04:25] yup, that'd be pardus linux or something [04:26] Of course downgrades are not supported and can be complicated, even going back a day [04:26] So far, I haven't seen any good intuitive rollback solution for dpkg/apt-based distro [04:27] i found this which talks about the same issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585410 [04:31] After installed ubuntu alpha 3, my touchpad cann't work on my notebook. How to do? [04:31] 9.04 alpha3 [04:33] dyf: wow, thanks for the link! [04:33] syockit: what did you find that was useful? [04:33] clp: probably because synaptics drivers aren't installed by default [04:33] dyf: mentions of timevault/flyback [04:34] dyf: at least that got me to know that something is being worked on [04:35] clp: ctrl-alt-f1, do sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all, then restart x [04:36] thanks. let me have a try. [04:36] after action of ctrl-alt-f1, how to return back? [04:39] clp: ctrl-alt-f7 [04:39] clp: then select restart X session [04:41] restarting [04:42] Ok [04:43] Why has so much problem in ubuntu 9.04 alpha 3? [04:44] clp: because it's alpha? [04:46] When can ubuntu release chinese version?After installation, It always spent me much time to download language package and input method? [04:49] Then there is some noise in my intel-hda sound effect? [04:52] In startup, there is a problem of /var/...dhcp3.(lease|listen?) readonly problem?what's about it? [04:52] where to view the log? [04:54] clp: The noise is probably because you have a realtek codec in there [04:54] Hopefully that'll be fixed but no one knows [04:54] syockit: I used to work on timevault, it's dead [04:55] ＼(^o^)／ [04:55] crazy nepomukservice [05:02] Ok, after alter the /etc/dhcp3/dbclient.conf, it worked well. [05:04] clp: about chinese version, that's up to the chinese, whether they have LoCo or not [05:04] clp: for example, Japanese have their own ubuntulinux.jp [05:05] alpha3 problem I found: 1 firefox cann't resolve domain name-->ipv6=False; 2 updatation cann't resolve name-->/etc/dhcp3/dbclient.conf: prepend domain-name-servers ..., ...; 3 touch pad no response [05:17] Which driver version I should use? video card: Geforce go 7400, option: 180, 173, 96? [05:17] 180 recommended? [05:18] Okay so it seems maybe xserver-xorg-core being at 1.5.99.9 messes up my video drivers [05:19] (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1) [05:19] After I set view effect to normal or extended, then ubuntu is continuing run.... [05:19] I tried fglrx and radeon, both packages updated jaunty versions [05:19] is there a pdf viewer that shows white text on black background? [05:20] Ok, I used 180 version, it worked ok. [05:23] Now my ubuntu worked well, I am very appreciated. [05:24] I want to back up ubuntu partition to image file. Can ghost used for ext4 partition's backup? [05:40] how do i reconfigure a package? [05:44] FFForever2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure [06:22] Could someone running jaunty go to System=>Shut Down and confirm you get an unstyled window? something like this http://devcub.com/~adys/shutdown.png === [pErry] is now known as [perry] [06:27] Yes, but that happens during every Ubuntu release; I wouldn't worry about it. [06:30] oh [06:30] never noticed, its not like i ever use this menu ... [07:00] anyinfo about x-fi soundcards working in jaunty/ubuntu in general, alsa support? [07:05] not sure but there is hope: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=creative_xfi_gift&num=1 [07:08] thanks, read through creatives, own opensource wiki, but not too much info... does it need to be compiled and such [07:09] maybe I'll buy products from vendors that do support linux :D [07:09] taavikko: /join #ubuntu+1 [07:11] bullgard4: this isn't it, joined and this is where i was thronw :) [07:13] and about x-fi, alsa doesn't yet support it http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzAwMw [07:35] hello [07:35] i can't start compiz but drivers seems correctly installed [07:46] Creative is also scum -- take a look on their forums if you want to see why. [07:47] gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting on icon theme install for anyone? [07:51] evolution users? [07:52] anyone finding that some of their memo or task lists in evolution are missing? [07:52] by missing i mean, they're unchecked (so not visible) but they refuse to be checked (and made visible). attempts at creating a new task/memo results in "unable to open tasks in 'Personal'" (or whatever list it is) === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [08:03] ugh, stupid gnome video thumbnailer was taking 112% CPU usage. [08:04] =P [08:05] 112? [08:06] yup. More than 100% of one core. [08:06] At least that's what htop was reporting. [08:23] adys@azura:~$ glxgears Error: glXCreateContext failed [08:23] i guess this is due to last xserver-core update (nv 180.27) [08:27] After I setted the visual effect,then I cann't enter into desktop. How to do? [08:28] I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then it ok. But then?When it will go wrong? [08:46] After I active the nvidia 180 driver, I can login but cann't enter Desktop. Now I used the default driver. How to do? [08:50] pint 5 [08:54] clp: i experienced this it's compiz the issue [08:54] you should make compiz start in indirect rendering [08:56] Where to start compiz? [08:56] in fact i do not know i started with nv driver unactivated compiz and rebooted with nvidia drivers [08:57] :-[ [08:57] and gnome session can start normally [08:57] ok, thanks. I go to google === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [09:50] hi all [09:50] Does Gnome in Jaunty support reverse vnc connections? [11:03] hello [11:03] after updated januty cant start up [11:04] Error 24 : Attempt to access block outside partition [11:04] kernel version: 2.6.28-6-generic [11:04] any ideas? [11:05] i'm using ext4 [11:06] anyone here? [11:07] guys.... [11:07] we have some big prob [11:07] do you remember yesterday everyone coming here and complaining with probs with X and NVidia? [11:08] well, while I was replying to someone right here, my X froze, and I couldn't login again [11:08] only after setting the noveu driver GDM session worked [11:08] not even startx worked [11:12] gathereing now logs, and opening a bug [11:31] BUGabundo: It's already filed... [11:31] maxb: thanks... do you have the ticket for it? [11:31] And the workaround is to downgrade xserver-xorg-core to -0ubuntu1 [11:31] * maxb hunts bugnumber [11:32] or to not use nvidia [11:32] eheh [11:32] LP 326344 [11:32] Launchpad bug 326344 in xorg-server "compiz freezes on login as of xorg-server 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344 [11:32] subing now [11:33] maxb: thanks [11:33] humm [11:34] maxb: those are all about compix [11:34] *compiz [11:34] but I don't even have my on [11:34] bug summary probably needs clarifying [11:35] all of the dupes? [11:36] The main bug has comments from someone reporting the same issue with kde === [perry] is now known as [pErry] [12:03] hey guys will 9.04 have internet sharing feature which is there in fedora 10? [12:09] every linux can share internet connection [12:35] anyone experienced problems today? [12:35] yesterday works fine, today GNOME dont start, it freeze when you login and gnome-panel never appear [12:35] just the X one [12:35] yep [12:35] also KDE freezes too... [12:35] that's the one miik [12:36] however, KDE using the OpenBox window manager works [12:36] just run the xfix from recovery [12:36] and you will be fine [12:36] but without 3D [12:36] kde4.2 is working fine here [12:36] right now, im running LXDE, it works, and its nice [12:36] what is xfix? [12:36] anyone notice significant increases in memory use? [12:37] its an option on the recovery console [12:37] oh [12:37] i dont know what is recovery console [12:37] that runs dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh [12:37] virtuelv: I did! [12:37] no need miik [12:37] just boot into recovery console [12:37] how do i do that? [12:37] once you it GRUB [12:38] miik: BOOT the PC, and once you get to GRUB, it ESC [12:38] BUGabundo: any known reasons at this stage? [12:38] and select recovery [12:38] ah, okie [12:38] then choose xfix [12:38] aye [12:38] no idea virtuelv [12:38] I'm testing on a laptop with 1GB, it's downright painful [12:38] but it is disturbing [12:38] alright [12:38] 4GiBs on 64bits [12:38] X alone is using over 100MiB now [12:40] that's not much [12:41] $ top | grep X [12:41] 5165 root 137m 16m 355m 20 0 S 4.8 3.5 3:38.25 /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten [13:00] hoho I have it at 154m [13:00] xfix worked.. but it made new xorg.conf file, that did use nv instead of nvidia proprietary driver [13:00] so then i changed back the xorg.conf file to my old one, that used nvidia proprietary driver [13:00] and then it dont work again [13:00] i wanted to use the proprietary cuz it has 3D and can play games === KterinK is now known as dou213 [13:03] btw, LXDE is crazy fast... [13:03] GNOME is horrible slow [13:14] miik: that's a known issue at this stage [13:15] read the changelog [13:17] or it was, at least in alpha3, the note is gone from alpha 4 [13:18] miik: if you want a stable system use a stable release! [13:18] devel version can and WILL cause breakeage [13:19] fwiw, I _really_ dislike this change: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HugeFonts [13:19] as much as we may dislike it, the web is built around 96 DPI, and anything else will break how the web looks [13:21] virtuelv: diff bug [13:21] the one in A3 was the abi ignore [13:21] this one is new [13:21] just started yesterday with new Xorg [13:21] hm [13:23] virtuelv, win and mac use 96 dpi? [13:23] BUGabundo, yeah, i thnik so [13:24] miik: not always [13:24] and so shouldn't Linux [13:24] now, FINALLY GNOME is fixed [13:24] my X recomened 112DPIs for my 13.3" laptop [13:24] lol [13:24] had to set 96 again [13:26] BUGabundo: 112DPI is probably correct for 13.3" at 1280x800, or so [13:27] the problem is that how designers have used pixels on the web doesn't jive with that [13:27] (The CSS pixel does not correspond to a device pixel, but instead is a relative unit based on a view angle) [13:28] hm, mine (1280x800 12.1") says 96 DPI.. .but after the last update I have larger system font than before (both in the toolbars and in Firefox), and I dont think the DPI setting has changed [13:30] SwedeMike: make sure of the value [13:30] which value? DPI? [13:31] my Xorg.0.log.old says 96 DPI which is the same as Xorg.0.log [13:31] why [13:31] y [13:31] ok [13:33] xdpyinfo says resolution: 125x125 dots per inch [13:33] ahh [13:34] which I think is correct [13:34] 125 is also in the System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Details [13:35] so its not 96 as u said [13:35] so now I have changed all fonts in Appearence > Fonts to size 7, and now everything looks more propotional. They were set to 10 before [13:36] swmike@swm-laptop:/var/log$ cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log | grep DPI [13:36] [1 sec: 567945 usec](==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [13:37] 7 is to small for my eyes [13:37] well, 7 means they're roughly the same size they were with a fresh alpha 3 install [13:37] I dont know what changed. [13:38] with 10 they were huuuuge [13:38] yep [13:38] that's what we are discussing here [13:40] and this came after me installing updates yesterday (I do this at least every two days) and rebooting [13:42] arve@galactica:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.*.log | grep DPI [13:42] (==) intel(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [13:42] (**) intel(0): DPI set to (99, 171) [13:42] 99,171!? [13:43] [1 sec: 271944 usec](--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (93, 95); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [13:43] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (93, 95); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [13:43] (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI [13:43] (==) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (75, 75); computed from built-in default [13:43] (==) VESA(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [13:44] [2 sec: 426220 usec](==) NV(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [13:44] (**) VESA(0): DPI set to (68, 65) [13:44] (==) VESA(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [13:44] 65, aeeeeeeeeh [13:46] miik: makes sense for VESA [13:46] but I'm on NV [13:47] oh [14:05] howdy! I just upgraded my test host and dhcp seems to fail at adding the default route in Jaunty. is there any known fix? [14:06] Q-FUNK: is the interface managed or un-managed? [14:07] BUGabundo: everything is handled by n-m [14:07] ok [14:07] cable or wifi? [14:07] wifi [14:09] open, wep, wpa, wpa2, enterprise? [14:10] the interface correctly has an IP and /etc/resolv.conf shows appropriate content. however, no default route exists. manualy adding one with "route add default gw {router IP}" works. [14:10] wpa2 [14:10] I'd be lead to beleive that some dhcp3-client hook is not executed, but I'm not sure how I'd verify this. [14:11] did you find any similar bug on LP? [14:11] nothing so far. [14:11] please open a new one [14:12] and if you can, please run a live CD of a previous version [14:12] and also try the version of NM, available on the NM PPA [14:12] team NM has its own PPA? [14:13]