[00:35] <dtchen> fta: sorry, i'm traveling for a conference this weekend, so 'net access is intermittent. are you referring to themuso's ppa or mine (which no longer has the packages, since they were uploaded to jaunty)?
[00:36] <fta> dtchen, following your request for testing, i'm using Luke's ppa
[00:36] <fta> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-card-restore": file not found
[00:37] <dtchen> fta: ah, that's a packaging error
[00:37] <dtchen> thanks, will point it out
[00:38] <fta> dtchen, in the meantime, any workaround?
[00:39] <dtchen> you should be able to just comment that load-module line out
[00:40] <fta> E: module.c: Failed to open module "module-alsa-card": file not found
[00:40] <fta> twice
[00:40] <fta> but it's not fatal apparently
[00:41] <fta> dtchen, ^^
[00:42] <fta> still no sound
[00:46] <dtchen> eek, they ended up in libpulse-dev
[00:46] <dtchen> i should /ctcp trout luke ;)
[00:48] <fta> is he traveling too?
[00:48] <dtchen> he should be doing the desktop sprint thing
[00:49] <dtchen> oh dear, this source package is all sorts of glue-huffing
[00:50] <dtchen> fta: it's correct to not have a libpulsecore9 anymore; that bit is now required and part of the pulseaudio package
[00:51] <fta> i had to force it, it was blocking the upgrade
[00:51] <fta> i mean, dist-upgrade removed it
[00:52] <fta> upgrade kept pulseaudio on hold
[00:53] <dtchen> ~ppa2 or ~ppa3?
[00:54] <fta> ppa3
[00:54] <dtchen> ok
[00:54] <fta> 0.9.15~test1-0ubuntu1~ppa3
[00:57] <dtchen> ok, added missing modules to debian/pulseaudio.install
[00:58] <dtchen> fta: in the meantime, try installing libpulse-dev; those modules are in that package
[01:00] <fta> well, it's dragging a lot of other -dev with it, i can wait until tomorrow, it's already late here
[01:00] <dtchen> ok, thanks for testing!
[01:01] <fta> mplayer is fine (as always), i can finish my series and go to sleep
[01:01] <fta> flashplayer is fine too, in ff3.2 so youtube works too
[01:01] <fta> everything else is silent
[01:02] <dtchen> looks like they're going directly through alsa?
[01:11] <fta> seems so
[01:11] <fta> openarena is fine too
[01:12] <dtchen> good, at least alsa's not broken yet ;)
[05:10] <saivann> asac : Any news about bug 324635?
[09:46] <XioNoX> Hi!
[09:58] <XioNoX> Since I4ve updated firefox 3.1 on my jaunty, I've got this error : "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b2 and 1.9.1b2." Someone have an idea ?
[10:00] <XioNoX> Because only the version "
[10:00] <XioNoX> 1.9.1b3pre" is installed
[11:12] <BUGabundo> asac: FF3.1 still not fixed?
[11:24] <XioNoX> BUGabundo: Still nothing for me :)
[11:24] <BUGabundo> yeah me neither
[11:25] <BUGabundo> fta said  it already on the queue
[11:25] <BUGabundo> but he was waiting for asac ok!
[11:25] <BUGabundo> 3.2 is a bit messy this week, so I miss 3.1
[11:25] <BUGabundo> guess I'll have to downgrade
[11:25] <XioNoX> ok, good to hear that
[11:25] <XioNoX> I've download
[11:26] <BUGabundo> XioNoX: not download: DOWNGRADE
[11:26] <XioNoX> I've download firefox 3.1 b2 32bits to have a working firefox 3.1
[11:27] <XioNoX> But it is weird that there are no 64bits version on mozilla ftp
[11:29] <BUGabundo> don't use the upstream version
[11:29] <BUGabundo> either use the repos, fta PPA, or asac PPA
[15:10] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[15:10] <BUGabundo> ff 3.1   Installed: 3.1~b3~hg20090122r22900+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[15:10] <BUGabundo> I still don't get your update
[17:26] <fta2> asac, i still hate n-m
[17:27] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[17:27] <BUGabundo> what did it do now, fta2?
[17:27] <fta2> damn, i have to reboot, hibernation didn't work well. brb
[17:34] <BUGabundo> fta2 yeah sometimes NM doesn't like suspend/hibernate
[17:36] <fta2> no, back from hibernation, after a few minutes my laptop started to emit a continuous sound, almost an ultra sound
[17:36] <fta2> not related to nm
[17:36] <fta2> it's the kernel
[17:39] <BUGabundo> xiiiii
[17:39] <BUGabundo>  never seen that
[17:40] <fta2> i remember the dell guy at uds told me this was a known bug in my laptop series but it was fixed in the kernel now
[17:40] <fta2> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/nm1.png
[17:40] <fta2> @time
[17:40] <fta2> ping
[17:41] <fta2> bug 1
[17:41] <fta2> bug 1234
[17:41] <fta2> ok, i'm still there
[17:42] <fta2> gwibber crashed on startup
[17:49] <BUGabundo> ehe
[17:49] <BUGabundo> gwibber is crashing a bit
[17:49] <BUGabundo> oh about the click... today its working...
[17:49] <BUGabundo> haven't had to click twice once
[17:50] <fta2> it's not, there's no reason why it should be. the way to reproduce it is not clearly identified yet
[17:50] <fta2> webkit is the crasher here
[17:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:00] <paran> Hi, I just built the new jaunty b3 firefox-3.1,xulrunner-1.9.1 packages on intrepid. everything builds, but firefox segfaults right away
[18:01] <paran> do you know if there are any new dependencies?
[18:02] <fta2> paran, why did you build it yourself? and how?
[18:03] <paran> because I am using intrepid, and it is not in -backports. I build using prevu as that is easier than manual pbuilder :)
[18:04] <fta2> we have it in two PPAs for intrepid and hardy
[18:04] <paran> I have been using my own builds of b2+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu without any problems
[18:05] <fta2> well, without more info of how you built yours, i can't help.
[18:05] <fta2> tested binaries are there: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/ppa
[18:05] <fta2> and daily builds: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[18:05] <paran> well, I built using... prevu xulrunner-1.9.1; prevu-update; prevu firefox-3.1
[18:05] <fta2> (daily = untested)
[18:06] <paran> and prevu is really just a fancy wrapper around "apt-get source" and pbuilder
[18:07] <fta2> never heard of prevu so i can't help.
[18:07] <fta2> sorry
[18:07] <fta2> try to get a backtrace, maybe it will be helpful to understand what's going on
[18:07] <paran> as I said, downloading the source and using pbuilder _should_ be the same result. I could try and compare if you like.
[18:07] <paran> but I will see if the PPA packages works first
[18:08] <paran> I have been avoiding PPAs in the past because I don't like unsigned repos, but the launchpad team have fixed that now :)
[18:13] <BUGabundo> fta2 I've been beaching about the segfaults of 3.1 and 3.2 for weeks
[18:13] <BUGabundo> you said its just like that!
[18:13] <BUGabundo> eehhe
[18:14] <BUGabundo> humm do you need another daily build testers?
[18:14] <fta2> BUGabundo, the only crash i'm aware of is the one on shutdown, for which i filed a bug upstream and no one clearly understand what's happening
[18:15] <BUGabundo> nope
[18:15] <BUGabundo> any time a another up opens a link
[18:15] <BUGabundo> a new tab/wind is open and I  get a crash/segfault
[18:15] <fta2> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa is there for 2 reasons: some people like dailies, we need it to isolate regressions
[18:16] <BUGabundo> I even marked it as ignore on apport
[18:16] <fta2> BUGabundo, it's the same crash, it's on shutdown (from the new process that is started when you click, not from the exisiting ff window)
[18:17] <BUGabundo> starting to use mozilla daily...
[18:17] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:17] <BUGabundo> guess it's the same bug
[18:17] <BUGabundo> but its not at shutdone
[18:18] <BUGabundo> unless you count the subprocess the starts, launch, and then dies
[18:18] <fta2> gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in KJS::Lexer::lex()
[18:18] <fta2> here it is
[18:18] <fta2> webkit crash it is
[18:19] <paran> fta2: hm... your ppa illustrates one other reason I often prefer to backport myself, people throw too many packages in their ppas.
[18:20] <fta2> paran, don't use it then, i don't mind, i have enough users that are happy with it and send me feedbacks when needed
[18:20] <paran> fta2: does firefox 3.1 need a new cairo, nspr, nss, mercurial, mozilla-devscripts to work on intrepid? if so then you should probably bump the build-deps :)
[18:21] <fta2> no
[18:21] <fta2> try the daily ppa, it has none of those
[18:21] <fta2> and it's ok on intrepid, afaik
[18:22] <paran> also, I didn't mean that your ppa wouldn't work
[18:24] <BUGabundo> fta2: are you ever going to have debug builds on PPAs?
[18:25] <fta2> BUGabundo, i do, the -dbg are there
[18:26] <fta2> ppa are not creating -dbgsym so i re-added the good old -dbg
[18:28] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[18:28] <BUGabundo> is it as good for LP reports?
[18:28] <fta2> i'd say it's even better
[18:31] <BUGabundo> ohh
[18:31] <BUGabundo> everyone just asks me for dbgsym
[18:32] <fta2> the good thing about dbgsym is that it is transparently created by the builders (it's disabled for PPA)
[18:33] <fta2> while for -dbg, you need to add them in the d/control file
[18:33] <fta2> and they are carried in the archive, while -dbgsym are stored some place else
[18:35] <fta2> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: disabling for PPA build
[18:35] <fta2> dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not doing anything since NO_PKG_MANGLE is given
[18:58] <fta2> BUGabundo, please don't forward my messages without asking
[18:58] <fta2> dinner time. cu
[19:39] <asac> ola
[19:49] <BUGabundo> ola asac
[19:50] <BUGabundo> learning Portuguese?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> dinner
[21:02] <fta2> asac, here? what should i search for in the lshal output?
[21:06] <fta2> is there a way to have any kind of info about why my connection is failing? (i just see a "Disconnected" notification)
[21:06] <BUGabundo> yeah.. I need to learn how to debug NMs timeouts and segfaults
[21:06] <BUGabundo> got 2 today
[21:07] <BUGabundo> while transitioning from Open Wifi to WPA2 enterprise
[22:09] <fta2> asac, i remember from 2 UDS ago that the update manager was supposed to be disabled when using 3G, what's the status on that?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> did it?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> is it useful?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> just to save bandwight?
[22:11] <fta2> yes
[22:12] <fta2> most of the time, you have to pay for 3G/GPRS/Edge/... based on usage
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:12] <BUGabundo> here too
[22:12] <BUGabundo> ppl get 1GiB or 2
[22:15]  * BUGabundo stupid me... closed IM client
[22:15] <BUGabundo> fta about the debug packages
[22:15] <BUGabundo> if I only have the -debug, what do I need to run to start it?
[22:17] <fta2> eh?? the -dbg are only useful inside debuggers like gdb
[22:17] <fta2> which package do you want to debug?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> any lol
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I get pleanty of crashs
[22:19] <BUGabundo> ok if I can just run gdb, I guess i know all I need
[22:19] <BUGabundo> already do it daily for pidgin, kmail, etc
[22:20] <fta2> gdb myapp
[22:20] <fta2> r
[22:20] <BUGabundo> now just need to format and reinstall to get more disk
[22:20] <fta2> make it crash
[22:20] <fta2> bt
[22:20] <fta2> all thread b t
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:20] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1             9.3G  8.3G  510M  95% /
[22:20] <BUGabundo> bt full is what I do
[22:20] <fta2> 10G! small
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:20] <BUGabundo> disk is 320GiBs
[22:20] <BUGabundo> my mistake
[22:20] <fta2> dual boot?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> nope, just jaunty
[22:21] <BUGabundo>  /home is XFS and I can resize it down
[22:21] <BUGabundo> even swap is 8GiBs
[22:21] <asac> BUGabundo: how is your firefox IO on xfs?
[22:21] <asac> is that notably better than ext3?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> asac: humm how can I compare?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> LLOL
[22:21] <BUGabundo> been runinig this for an year now
[22:22] <BUGabundo> old laptop was etx3
[22:22] <BUGabundo> but was a 3 old year machine
[22:22] <BUGabundo> not fair to compare
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I want to test ext4
[22:22] <BUGabundo> no idea if I should go with one or 2 partions scheme
[22:23] <BUGabundo> asac: any sugestions on that?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> asac: do you know any !firefox addon to mesure RAM usage for each tab, like !chrome does?
[22:29] <asac> not sure ... do you see considerable IO in your gnome performance applet?
[22:30] <fta2> i remember a bug in bugzilla to provide about:memory with a pie chart
[22:30] <BUGabundo> that would be nice
[22:30] <fta2> it was supposed to land 1st as an addon
[22:30] <BUGabundo> I don't have any IO applet
[22:30] <BUGabundo> just CPU freq and temp sensors
[22:33] <BUGabundo> asac: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop/fulldesktop.png.php
[22:33] <BUGabundo> see why i can't have anything else in there
[22:55] <asac> BUGabundo: syste3m monitor applet allows to monitor io
[22:56] <BUGabundo> asac: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-SysmonitorScreenlet.py.png
[22:57] <BUGabundo> too fulled too....eheh
[22:57] <BUGabundo> and I just have it on the backgound
[22:57] <asac> i ment applet not screenlet
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:58] <BUGabundo> let me get one
[22:59] <BUGabundo> but I have no idea where to place it
[22:59] <BUGabundo> all bars are FULL
[23:01] <fta2> remove the Main Menu and add the Menu Bar (or the opposite, i don't remember which is which)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:02] <fta2> you will gain ~10%
[23:03] <BUGabundo> but I use it a bit
[23:03] <fta2> just the ubuntu logo instead of the logo + App + Places + System
[23:03] <fta2> it's the same
[23:04] <fta2> click the logo, you get the 3 menus
[23:04] <fta2> it's a compact version
[23:05] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:05] <BUGabundo> let me try
[23:06] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:06] <BUGabundo> I can leave with that
[23:13] <fta2> leave ? or live ?
[23:13] <fta2> :)
[23:14] <fta2> damn kernel, what is that sound
[23:14] <asac> not glitch free ;)?
[23:15] <fta2> it's my laptop
[23:15] <fta2> massive upgrade yesterday, now it's all different
[23:15] <fta2> and 3G is slow (i'm in the country side)
[23:16] <fta2> not sure it's even 3G, damn n-m is silent
[23:16] <fta2> gives me no clue
[23:16] <asac> did you took crimsuns changes that he said were "very intrusive" :)?
[23:16] <asac> fta2: why does nm not tell?
[23:16] <fta2> not on this laptop, but in my desktop at home, yes
[23:17] <fta2> if i'm on 3G or some lower network
[23:17] <fta2> and connection time.. it will cost me a lot
[23:18] <fta2> and i'm quite sure it locked my other SIM card (I have 2)
[23:26] <fta2> asac, ^^