[04:15] <Flannel> nickrud: I didn't know Los Angeles was a continenet ;)
[04:16] <nickrud> heh. It's a world to itself :)
[04:16] <tritium> Depending on seismic activity, it might be someday.
[04:18] <Flannel> tritium: That's just because CA is going to break off to go hang with Hawaii.
[04:18] <Flannel> And Alaska can come too.
[04:18] <tritium> Flannel: ah, is that it?  ;)
[04:19] <nickrud> yep. All the west coast will break off, and we can finally have a sane country :))))))
[04:19] <Flannel> nickrud: Yeah, west coast land.
[04:19] <tritium> nickrud: yeah, but which side are you calling sane?
[04:20] <Flannel> tritium: West Coast land.  Perhaps... The Republic of WOAH
[04:20] <nickrud> tritium, need you ask? I've lived in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Monterrey area, Ventura, Los Angeles. The whole west coast is nice
[04:20] <nickrud> we'd be what, the 5th largest economy in the world?
[04:20] <tritium> nickrud: of course I need to ask.  I lived in the Seattle area for a while.
[04:21] <Flannel> nickrud: Sixth, I believe.  Although that's just CA.  With the other states, I'm not sure.
[04:21] <nickrud> tritium, what part? Hopefully not east of the lake
[04:21] <nickrud> i'm a geographic snob, if you haven't scoped that out yet :)
[04:21] <tritium> nickrud: near Everett.  I worked at the Boeing plant for a while.
[04:22] <nickrud> ah. That makes you an honorary Washingtonian, no matter where you live or do after that. Boing Boing rules all
[04:22] <tritium> ;)
[04:23] <tritium> The left coast is too liberal for my taste ;)
[04:25] <nickrud> like they say, all the fruits nuts and flakes roll downhill till they hit the west coast. Makes for an interesting place
[04:25] <tritium> That it is.
[04:26] <nickrud> Flannel, been meaning to ask: everything still on for storage Sat night at scale?
[04:27] <Flannel> nickrud: Saturday night?
[04:27] <Flannel> oh storage
[04:27] <Flannel> yeah.
[04:27] <Flannel> Saturday night is also our in-person LoCo meeting
[04:28] <tritium> You guys have a good night.
[04:28] <Flannel> night tritium
[04:29] <nickrud> night tritium
[04:29] <tritium> Night, Flannel, nickrud.  Good luck at scale.
[04:30] <nickrud> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=5400+West+Century+Boulevard,+los+angeles+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=93.619094,111.269531&ie=UTF8&ll=33.955962,-118.370819&spn=0.024918,0.036478&z=14&iwloc=addr&source=embed Flannel 
[05:01] <Flannel> nickrud: oh, is that the location?  Nice... on the way and everything.
[05:14] <demolitian> hello so yesterday i thought the ban on my line was off when i tried but when i went on just now it wont let me send anything 
[05:16] <demolitian> why is that 
[05:20] <Flannel> demolitian: Because there's still a mute on your account.  The op who unbanend you yesterday asked you to join and say something to verify you could (exactly for this reason).  Give me a second to remove it.
[05:20] <Flannel> demolitian: Try now
[05:35] <elky_e71> myrtti, topyli... I am looking at some bags of licorice... One called 'double salt' and one called 'salmiak rockies' ... The latter is tubes of dark stuff with caramel colored stuff inside. which for salmiakkikossu? 
[06:59] <topyli> elky: a good salmiakkikossu salty liquorice is strong, and easy to break into tiny bits with a hammer. turkish peber, the "official" one, contains some liquorice powder inside the candies, which will dissolve into the vodka particularly well
[07:01] <elky> topyli, well this stuff is dutch apparently, and i got the 'double salt' one. i figure it means 'double sal ammoniac'
[07:02] <topyli> sounds strong enough, are they hard so you can smash them?
[07:03] <elky> they're hard, but bendable
[07:03] <elky> if i hit it with a hammer it probably would, but i dont have a hammer
[07:04] <elky> they list 'sal ammoniac salt' as part of the ingredients
[07:10] <elky> topyli, email address?
[07:11] <topyli> juha at siltala dot net
[07:13] <topyli> apparently sal ammoniac is ammonium chloride, which is salmiakki
[07:13] <elky> yeah
[07:14] <elky> salmiakki is the finnish lay name for sal ammoniac, according to wikipedia at least
[07:14] <elky> topyli, i sent you a photo of the back of the pack
[07:15] <elky> i'm just trying to figure how many rocks to put in
[07:15] <elky> gyah... i just licked the rock. stroooong
[07:15] <elky> and fizzy
[07:16] <topyli> good, dood :)
[07:16] <topyli> err s/dood/good/
[07:17] <elky> http://www.slashfood.com/2006/03/02/dutch-double-salt-licorice/ is exactly what it looks like
[07:18] <topyli> well if they dissolve and turn the vodka into black, it works. if they don't completely dissolve, that's probably okay too. you can't really ruin a vodka :)
[07:19] <elky> yeah, the sample i got from the stuff Monty had at LCA had a few bits of undissolved candies.
[07:20] <elky> topyli, how much though?
[07:20] <topyli> i don't know if boiling them in a little bit of water would help any
[07:20] <topyli> after cooling they might as well get together in one big lump
[07:21] <topyli> let me see how much in the original recipe
[07:22] <topyli> 30-40 of the original turkish pebers
[07:23] <elky> this pack is 100g
[07:24] <topyli> hrm
[07:25] <topyli> half at least, basically as much as the vodka will take in
[07:26] <elky> theres about 55 or so buttons
[07:26] <topyli> here are somebody's instructions, look at the candy in step 3: http://www.scene.org/~melwyn/sucemasaucisse/suce1.html
[07:26] <topyli> yours are small, they could all go in if they dissolve well
[07:27] <topyli> those are big, very tough and half empty
[07:28] <elky> so, about 30 you reckon? that'd be half a pack
[07:30] <topyli> i would think so. after tasting, you can always add some
[07:30] <topyli> i'm reading at some finnish forums. many people recommend dissolving them to a bit of hot water first
[07:31] <elky> probably because they're impatient?
[07:31] <topyli> possibly :)
[07:34] <topyli> well the main thing is to get taste and color to dissolve into the vodka. boiling might leave you with a nice thick cyrup that's easy to add in the vodka
[07:38] <topyli> someone has a nice trick: salmiakki in the bottle, seal bottle, throw in dishwasher, do your dishes
[07:38] <elky> the heat?
[07:38] <topyli> i think i've heard that before as well
[07:39] <topyli> yeah it will dissolve well
[07:41] <elky> although, this is australia, and it's summer...
[07:42] <topyli> oh yes, probably no need to heat things very much
[07:44] <elky> this stuff isn't coloured with carbon black, it's brown, so it's not going to look terribly like the stuff monty had
[07:45] <Flannel> ubottu: tell JamesMowery|away about away
[07:48] <topyli> well it doesn't have to be black as long as it's good :)
[07:49] <topyli> best if you can make the drink with something locally available, never mind a little color difference
[07:49] <elky> yeah
[07:50] <topyli> if all else fails, we'll start sending bags of turkish pebers!
[07:51] <elky> i tell you what though, licking one of these on it's own is an intriguing experience
[07:52] <topyli> heh, most finns are crazy about salmiakki, most other people don't know about it and are terrified when they taste it
[07:52] <topyli> "what? even your kids eat this?"
[07:53] <topyli> i think it's wonderful, much better than sweet candy and keeps you awake at work, or at the wheel or wherever
[07:53] <elky> well, linus wrote about it back at halloween iirc
[07:54] <topyli> on the blog?
[07:54] <elky> yeah
[07:56] <topyli> oh yes found it. a candy rant
[07:57] <elky> http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2008/10/candyland.html yeah
[07:59] <topyli> "this needs to change!" ooh linus can get political, he just needs an issue serious enough
[08:00] <elky> hehe
[08:01] <elky> hrm, there's alot of floaties in this vodka. is it supposed to have floaties?
[08:01] <topyli> i don't think so
[08:02] <topyli> hmm
[08:02] <elky> probably part of the dissolving process
[08:04] <topyli> yes something's coming off the candy
[08:04] <elky> there's a few stuck to the bottom, and they look fuzzy grey in the areas not stuck to the glass, so that'd be what it is
[08:04] <elky> where the sal ammoniac is dissolving and leaving a fur of the candy
[08:06] <topyli> at least they're dissolving, and so soon too
[08:07] <topyli> perhaps vodka is a better stuff for dissolving things than water to begin with
[08:08] <elky> alcohol is a good 'cleansing' agent, remember
[08:09] <Flannel> yay solvents!
[08:09] <elky> this ruskov vodka is good. i could have got finnish vodka, but it didnt say how many times it was distilled. this stuff is double distilled, and only $2 more than the cheap single-distilled crap
[08:09] <elky> and $10+ less than triple distilled stuff
[08:11] <topyli> yeah and if you're about to mix the vodka with something, you don't really have to get the best stuff
[08:12] <elky> well, even the uber cheap stuff has 'that taste'
[08:12] <elky> i'm talking AUD$20 bottles of vodka. it has that nasty chemical taste to it, even in OJ or whatever
[08:13] <topyli> looking at the second  photo, seems to be working
[08:13] <elky> yeah
[08:13] <elky> it clouded up after i had a dozen buttons in and whirled it around a bit
[08:15] <elky> i actually work with a turkish guy who could probably tell me where i could get the turkish pastilles
[08:15] <topyli> actually they're swedish i think, they just call them turkish :)
[08:16] <Flannel> "which step do I start"?  honestly?
[08:17] <elky> i'm sure if i asked around i could find a finn
[08:17] <Flannel> start at, that is.
[08:18] <topyli> well i do know there are lots of finns in brisbane, not sure about the rest of the country
[08:18] <topyli> wikipedia says it's "tyrkisk peber" and it's danish
[08:21] <elky> well, i'm laying it on it's side now, and i'm going to go have a bath, since i stink
[09:21] <prince_jammys> sheperd: 'linux sux' troll, #ubuntu
[09:21] <prince_jammys> oops, kicked already
[09:21] <prince_jammys> bye
[09:31]  * jussi01 waves to all!
[09:52] <topyli> o/
[11:39] <topyli> i'm pretty sure howdoidothis is failtroll, kewln00b, failfailtroll etc
[11:39] <topyli> on -ot
[11:41] <ikonia> I don't think he is as he's talking about a solid topic with reasonable information
[11:42] <topyli> more clueful perhaps, yes
[11:48] <ikonia> jpds: well spotted
[11:48] <ikonia> oops
[11:48] <ikonia> jussi01: well spotted
[11:49] <jussi01> grrr
[12:11] <jpds> Hi.
[12:12] <bazhang> o/
[12:22] <jpds> ubot2: lobs-#ubuntu-classroom
[12:22] <jpds> ubot2: logs-#ubuntu-classroom
[12:22] <jpds> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom
[12:26] <Nafallo> ehrm. say what now
[12:27] <elky> -classroom is where Open Weeks are held
[12:27] <jpds> The factoid seems to repeat itself a bit though.
[12:28] <topyli> it's a chorus
[12:37] <elky> ah
[12:37] <Escsun> elky, pm 1 min
[12:37] <ikonia> nice parting message
[12:46] <ikonia> ljl has been quite for a while, anyone know if he's ok
[12:48] <jpds> is idle : 0 days 0 hours 0 mins 3 secs
[12:48] <ikonia> not seen him speak for ages
[12:48] <bazhang> you woke him :)
[13:21] <elky> topyli, can you please explain to snuxoll what this moron is doing
[13:22] <elky> topyli, oh goodie, here comes the guilt card
[13:23] <topyli> fortunately i think snuxoll gave up
[13:25] <ikonia> eyes on tavish - he's been a problem in #ubuntu 
[13:25] <ikonia> (now in ot)
[13:25] <topyli> a bit dodgy sometimes on ot too
[13:26] <ikonia> I've given him a reasonably serious talking to in the past
[13:26] <ikonia> although I can't remember all the details
[13:27] <topyli> he doesn't do outrageously bad offenses, there's just a certain style
[13:34] <elky> topyli, he's what we call a pseudotroll
[13:36] <topyli> i call them "jerks" :)
[13:50] <stefg> someone please kick cahaya-03 from #ubuntu ... he's harrassing people with unsolicited pm requests and generally freakin
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[15:41] <bazhang> argh
[15:41]  * nickrud wishes that actually worked
[15:41] <bazhang> heh
[15:42] <bazhang> now playing in #kubuntu !!!
[15:44] <bazhang> only time I have ever been tempted to say: "man apt"
[15:45] <bazhang> err +get
[15:45] <nickrud> just in the last week, I've trained 2 beginners not to use alien. Or, they provided their own aversion therapy, I just cleaned up behind :)
[15:45] <bazhang> hehe
[18:38]  * genii brews some extra-strong coffee
[18:38]  * nickrud breaks out the antacids
[18:39] <genii> nickrud: We're all set then ;)
[20:51] <ikonia> @btlogin
[20:51] <ikonia> oops sorry jussi01 
[20:55] <stdin> ikonia: it probably won't work in /msg unless you set a hostmask
[20:55] <stdin> but then there's nothing stopping everyone setting a hostmask and not using @login at all
[20:55] <ikonia> I assume a cloak is a vald hostmask
[20:56] <stdin> yeah, it's just whatever the bot will see
[20:56] <stdin> mine is *!*@ubuntu/member/stdin
[20:57] <ikonia> I can use that niceley then
[20:57] <ikonia> nicley
[20:58] <stdin> then the bot'll recognise you whenever you connect, whatever your nick (as long as you have your cloak)
[20:58] <stdin> and you will, as the bot'll ignore you if you're not identified to NickServ anyway ;)
[20:59] <ikonia> which is handy
[21:23] <ikonia> could I post this list of users that have bans ranging from Jan 2008 to the end of November 2008 
[21:24] <ikonia> and see if anyone knows/has any objection to removing them, I've left out any I recognise as a known problem, or with obvious comments, a lot are dhcp addresses, and I've checked with chanserv on some of the nick /cloak based bans and they haven't been seen for a while, 
[21:24] <ikonia> is it acceptable to post a URL to a list of bans (knowing the channel is logged)
[21:24] <ikonia> it just contains the channel/ip of the ban
[21:25] <stdin> anyone can see the banlist in #ubuntu anyway
[21:25] <ikonia> it would be a good bit of house keeping as there are 64 bans
[21:25] <ikonia> stdin: fair point
[21:25] <ikonia> http://alesi.projecthugo.co.uk/banlist.txt
[21:25] <ikonia> I've left my own bans out as I'm dealing with them now
[21:26] <ikonia> if there are any you recognise or know are a bad idea shout in the next few days and if no-one objects and the council are happy I'll remove them
[21:26] <ikonia> most are dyanmic IP's that will have changed by now
[21:26] <ikonia> be good for the ban list
[21:47] <Flannel> Oh... that was ... the channel topic
[21:47] <ikonia> already done
[21:48] <Flannel> yeah, I saw trying to figure out if it was just a language issue or not
[21:49] <ikonia> no
[21:49] <ikonia> uk ISP - so I would expect an awareness of english
[21:49] <ikonia> (not fact - just my opinion)
[21:49] <ikonia> ooh it maybe
[21:49] <ikonia> it's not the isp I thought it was
[21:50] <Flannel> He ended up just repeating everything that was said to him in the channel
[21:51] <Flannel> but, started out with polish (??) in latin
[21:51] <ikonia> impressive
[21:51] <Flannel> latin being ASCII, of course
[21:58] <Flannel> Weeee
[21:58] <Flannel> attack
[21:58] <Pricey> We're aware and dealing with it.
[21:58] <ikonia> naughty naughty
[21:58] <ikonia> that's the same IP range as used on the bot attack channel on irc.geekpanties.com
[21:58] <ikonia> AGAIN
[21:58] <stdin> well, that's a new one
[21:59] <ikonia> that server is just a giant bot host for attacking channels on freenode and its using the same IP range/isp as that attack and the last frew
[21:59] <ikonia> few
[22:04] <tomaw> that was fun
[22:04] <tomaw> you say you've seen them before?
[22:04] <ikonia> ooh yeah
[22:04] <ikonia> irc.geekpanties.org channel #ubuntu 2000+ bots wating for an attack
[22:04] <ikonia> clone of #ubuntu on freenode
[22:04] <ikonia> roookee (user in #ubuntu) let slip about it - he's involved
[22:05] <tomaw> hrm
[22:05] <tomaw> are they still there?
[22:05] <ikonia> yup
[22:05] <tomaw> with all the bots?
[22:05] <ikonia> I'm banned so can't check 
[22:05] <ikonia> join it and look 2000+ bots 
[22:06] <ikonia> irc server hosted on a home IP, bots hosted on multiple home ISP's 
[22:06] <ikonia> got abotu 5 - 6 clones of freenode channels
[22:06] <ikonia> about
[22:06] <ikonia> all full of bots which if you wait around gets information to attack networks
[22:07] <Seeker`> ikonia: "clones"?
[22:07] <tomaw> hrm
[22:07] <ikonia> Seeker`: yup
[22:07] <Seeker`> what exactly do you mena by a clone
[22:07] <Seeker`> channel of the same name?
[22:07] <Seeker`> or more involved than that
[22:07] <ikonia> same topic, name, modes on channels
[22:07] <Seeker`> what channels?
[22:08] <tomaw> ikonia: irc.geekpanties.org does not resolve here
[22:08] <ikonia> errr, #ubuntu, #fedora and a few others
[22:08] <ikonia> tomaw: hang on 
[22:08] <ikonia> irc.geekpanties.com
[22:08] <tomaw> ta
[22:08] <ikonia> ooh it's changed address too
[22:09] <ikonia> maria is the user issuing commands
[22:10] <ikonia> my IP got banned when I busted them
[22:10] <ikonia> think ljl did too
[22:10] <Pricey> They liked me when I took a butchers.
[22:10] <Pricey> Can't rememeber the oper I talked to over there, but they were here too. Might check logs when I get access to them later.
[22:11] <ikonia> Pici: they liked you ?
[22:11] <ikonia> how nice
[22:11] <ikonia> Pricey: sorry - not pici
[22:11] <Pricey> Ah it was Maria.
[22:11] <ikonia> the comcast IP's you just banned highlighted in #ubuntu which where the same ones as the bots in geekpanties
[22:11] <Pricey> forget the nick here though
[22:12] <ikonia> rooooookeeeeeeeeeeee was one
[22:12] <ikonia> (change number of ooo's and eeee's
[22:12] <tomaw> seems they have modified things
[22:12] <ikonia> oh really
[22:12] <tomaw> all clients I could see in #ubuntu were spoofed
[22:12] <ikonia> the server IP has changed, that's for certain
[22:13] <ikonia> I'll rephrase then, the ip's being spoofed some of them showed up as geekpanties #ubuntu bot IP's
[22:13] <tomaw> 22:11 -!-    #ubuntu Kaze378   H   0  Kaze@378 [Kaze no. 378]
[22:13] <tomaw> that's all they show as now so nothing even slightly useful
[22:14] <ikonia> looks like a tidy up after being busted
[22:14] <ikonia> (in my opinion)
[22:14] <tomaw> potentially
[22:14] <ikonia> not saying it is them, but the IP's highlighted
[22:14] <ikonia> which was a match
[22:15] <tomaw> why did they ban you?
[22:15] <ikonia> because I busted them doing a bot attack
[22:15] <ikonia> I had my nick as panties4274 or some other bot nick
[22:15] <ikonia> and when they issues a command I didn't respond so they saw I wasn't a bot
[22:16] <tomaw> they do seem to have a few k clients
[22:16] <tomaw> but their ircd is hiding them addresses so it's not that useful
[22:16] <tomaw> I'll poke around and see what I can find out
[22:17] <ikonia> I've seen 2 - 3 bot attackes like that which showed a number of their IP addresses
[22:18] <Pricey> Did that website do hacked cable modems or am I imagining that?
[22:18] <tomaw> Do you have a list of hosts before they started spoofing them?
[22:19] <ikonia> tomaw: don't know, I'll have to check my logs
[22:19] <ikonia> Pricey: the website always seemed to have very little information on it when I looked
[22:28] <stdin> #ubuntu still +r ?
[22:29] <Pricey> Should ok now.
[23:49] <Seeker`> ikonia: ever get your electronics sorted?
[23:49] <ikonia> sort of, playing with it