[02:01] <MaxHavoc> Does xfce4 not allow for making selections with the mouse by drawing a box around items like on the desktop or within Thunar?
[02:09] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: only in thunar
[02:10] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: it will allow doing it on the desktop by the end of April hopefully
[02:10] <MaxHavoc> What happens then? New version?
[02:10] <TheSheep> yes, Jaunty Jackalope
[02:11] <MaxHavoc> I thought xfce was a separate development, the release of xfce might not necesarilly correlate to the release of Jaunty
[02:12] <TheSheep> yes
[02:12] <TheSheep> that's why "hopefully"
[02:12] <MaxHavoc> Ah
[02:12] <MaxHavoc> Touche
[02:12] <TheSheep> the xubuntu developers are actually collaborating with xfce devs
[02:12] <TheSheep> which is very nice
[02:13] <MaxHavoc> Good to hear
[02:13] <MaxHavoc> Hey, do you know where I can find a list of all the xfce4 applications? Like, where on the file system are they?
[02:14] <TheSheep> well, apt-cache search xfce should give you the list of package names, and dpkg -L packagename will show you the list of files
[02:15] <MaxHavoc> Does the apt-cache search only show me what I have installed?
[02:16] <TheSheep> no, it shows the conatnets of all repositories you have enabled
[02:16] <TheSheep> you could use something like dpkg -l | grep xfce | grep ii
[02:18] <MaxHavoc> Haarrumph, I can't find the showdesktop command, I want to make a keyboard shortcut for it, but I don't know the command
[02:27] <homebrewcider> anybody got a canon printer/scanner working, as in scanning in Xubuntu?
[03:09] <MaxHavoc> Does anyone know how I can modify the Default keyboard shortcuts theme rather than having to add my own?
[03:18] <MaxHavoc> er
[03:18] <rocko> you guys should use pcmanfm instead
[03:19] <rocko> thunar blows
[03:19] <rocko> it freezes a lot on me
[03:19] <rocko> I have yet to have pcmanfm to freeze on me :D
[03:20] <MaxHavoc> I just use the terminal
[03:21] <rocko> well you can not use the terminal for every thing MaxHavoc
[03:22] <rocko> like shorting out photos
[03:22] <rocko> MaxHavoc you can
[03:22] <rocko> just do custom
[03:23] <MaxHavoc> Eh?
[03:23] <rocko> the custom will have the defaults
[03:23] <rocko> until you edit it
[03:23] <MaxHavoc> Right, but then I have two keyboard shortcut themes, I only want one, I just want to edit the Default rather than adding my own
[03:24] <rocko> I see
[03:24] <rocko> just click on add right below the table that says default in it
[03:24] <rocko> and put custom
[03:24] <MaxHavoc> You're missing my point, that still creates a second theme
[03:24] <rocko> then edit the default options
[03:25] <MaxHavoc> Notice how everything in Default is greyed out? I want to be able to edit it
[03:25] <rocko> there is no way to do it the other way through the gui
[03:25] <rocko> you can not
[03:25] <rocko> only through add
[03:26] <MaxHavoc> Well then how can I do it through the CLI?
[03:28] <rocko> not sure
[03:29] <MaxHavoc> It's very annoying and anti-linuxy of them to prevent me from editing the default
[03:31] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: you can edit them. download the sources, change the defaults in them and compile
[03:31] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: is that linuxy enough?
[03:31] <MaxHavoc> Well sure there's always that option, but that's an awful lot of work for very little gain
[03:32] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: what do you expect to gain exactly?
[03:32] <MaxHavoc> Placating my OCD desire to not have unnecessary and redundant themes
[03:34] <TheSheep> where is it supposed to store the settings then?
[03:34] <MaxHavoc> Storing the settings in default is fine, but let me edit them
[03:34] <MaxHavoc> The whole idea of having defaults is something to fall back to, but why must they remain inviolate?
[03:35] <TheSheep> it can't store them in the default, they are compiled in
[03:35] <TheSheep> it can't recompile itself
[03:35] <MaxHavoc> That's silly, they should be stored in a conf file like everything else in Linux
[03:35] <TheSheep> what if the conf file is missing?
[03:35] <MaxHavoc> Then no shortcuts for you
[03:35] <TheSheep> the non-fallback ones are stored in a conf file
[03:35] <MaxHavoc> That's what backups are for
[03:36] <TheSheep> the fallback ones are compiled in
[03:36] <TheSheep> I find it sane
[03:36] <TheSheep> and sturdy
[03:37] <MaxHavoc> I suppose, I still find it annoying
[03:39] <TheSheep> it's for the Greater Good of Mankind ;)
[03:40] <MaxHavoc> Well I guess I'll let myself be mollified by that
[03:40] <MaxHavoc> And I was able to accomplish my goal even if I had to create a non default theme to do it
[03:41] <MaxHavoc> I really wish xfce4 had a keyboard shortcuts template to emulate Windows
[03:42] <TheSheep> ugh
[03:43] <TheSheep> it's enough that they've broken ctrl+w
[03:44] <MaxHavoc> Of course like an idiot I try ctrl-W and it closes the channel
[03:44] <MaxHavoc> Sigh
[03:44] <TheSheep> you just *had* to test it
[03:44] <TheSheep> in sane programs it deletes the last word you typed
[03:45] <MaxHavoc> That would be convinient
[03:45] <TheSheep> very convenient
[03:45] <MaxHavoc> That has nothing to do with emulating Windows though, ctrl-w doesn't do anything in Windows
[03:45] <TheSheep> wanna bet? :)
[03:46] <MaxHavoc> Well I'll be damned...only seems to work for certain things though, built-in Windows apps only
[03:46] <MaxHavoc> Or maybe just explorer windows
[03:47] <TheSheep> all windows that have 'close'
[03:47] <TheSheep> some have only 'quit'
[03:47] <MaxHavoc> Hmm
[03:48] <MaxHavoc> Intriguing
[03:48] <TheSheep> there are worse things
[03:48] <TheSheep> ctrl+a space swithces windows in screen
[03:48] <TheSheep> guess what it does on windows and windows-clones
[03:48] <MaxHavoc> Regardless, what I really miss is ctrl-tab and ctrl-f4
[03:49] <TheSheep> they work
[03:49] <TheSheep> ctrl+tab switches internal windows, ctrl+f4 closes them
[03:49] <TheSheep> or tabs
[03:49] <MaxHavoc> That's what they should do
[03:49] <MaxHavoc> ctrl-f4 doesn't work for me in Firefox
[03:49] <MaxHavoc> Neither work in the terminal
[03:50] <TheSheep> works for me
[03:50] <MaxHavoc> Did you change something to get them to work?
[03:50] <TheSheep> no
[03:50] <MaxHavoc> Hmm
[03:53] <MaxHavoc> Is there a way to access the menu with the keyboard? Like in Windows you could press alt to get to the menu then use the keyboard navigation keys
[03:55] <TheSheep> alt+space
[03:55] <MaxHavoc> That only seems to access the icon menu, not the application menu
[03:55] <TheSheep> alt+first letter of the menu item
[03:56] <MaxHavoc> Ah, ok
[03:56] <MaxHavoc> So, no generic alt to get to the first menu, you have to explicitly use the letter
[03:56] <MaxHavoc> Good to know, thanks
[03:56] <TheSheep> no idea, maybe there is some
[03:56] <TheSheep> shortcuts should be described in the help
[03:57] <TheSheep> it's actually useful
[03:57] <TheSheep> not like on windows
[03:58] <MaxHavoc> What a novel idea
[05:47] <lazz> Hey I'm having a little bit of trouble with my xfce panel.  For some reason my action button is only giving me the option of closing the xfce panel instead of the usual options of shutting down the computer and other such options.  Is there any way to get it back to normal?
[05:49] <lazz> Is anyone there?
[05:58] <atgarsis> hello
[05:59] <atgarsis> does anyone know how to 'get back' the squares at the bottom right (like in here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Xubuntu-6.06-pl.png) which one can click to switch between programs? they somehow disappeared from my desktop.
[06:07] <j1mc> atgarsis: are you running compiz?
[06:08] <atgarsis> what's compiz?
[06:08] <j1mc> if you have to ask, then you probably aren't using it.  :)
[06:08] <atgarsis> probably not :)
[06:08] <j1mc> i think i can help, just right-click down in the portion of the panel where you want to add the items back...
[06:09] <j1mc> ... and select "add new item"
[06:09] <atgarsis> ok
[06:09] <j1mc> then select "pager" from that menu
[06:09] <j1mc> oh, wait...
[06:09] <j1mc> sorry, wrong one
[06:10] <j1mc> you want to select "task list"
[06:10] <j1mc> so, right click on panel, add new item, "task list"
[06:10] <j1mc> that should do it
[06:10] <j1mc> that work?
[06:12] <atgarsis> no, it's different
[06:13] <atgarsis> it doesn't look like the previous one
[06:15] <atgarsis> any other ideas?
[06:17] <atgarsis> but 'pager' did it!
[06:28] <atgarsis> another quick question: how to change the number of workspaces? i have 3, but i want 2 left.
[06:30] <j1mc> atgarsis: go to applications > settings > settings manager > workspaces and margins
[06:30] <j1mc> you can change the number there
[06:30] <atgarsis> thank you!
[08:24] <mchelen> where would a digital camera be mounted after plugging in?
[08:42] <durt> mchelen: probably /media
[08:53] <charles> !auto mount
[10:02] <knome> /media yes.
[12:46] <juve> Hi, is anybody here using gome-commender under xubuntu?
[13:20] <jarnos> update-apt-xapi just does not finnish. What it is for anyway?
[13:27] <alienkid> guys my bros computer(the one that boots text based) just booted into a "maintenance shell" after [fail]ing to force run fsck on /lib/init/rw/rootdev.
[13:31] <atgarsis> is there an ability to run soulseek on xubuntu?
[13:32] <alienkid> What's that?
[13:32] <alienkid> He just rebooted into Windows.
[13:32] <alienkid> my bro is taking over talking I have to shower
[13:33] <alienkid> It just booted Windows fine.
[13:35] <alienkid> So what's "soulseek"?
[13:36] <alienkid> Darn.
[13:37] <alienkid> Should I just reinstall? 'cause I kinda' wanted to reinstall anyway. My brother says after every 23 boots it would now do that though. Would it?
[13:52] <alienkid> ok heres what it siad when it booted "/lib/init/rw/rootdev/ has been mounted 23 times and not cheeked forcing fsck. /n [FAIL] /n booting into maintenance shell filesystem is running in readonly mode run fsck on /lib/init/rw/rootdev/ then press CONTROL-D" it was then logged into root@ubuntu we installed using WUBI
[13:55] <alienkid> the above was not read from screen.
[13:59] <alienkid> can I just use WUBI to reinstall?(it was installed with it)
[14:02] <Imo> hello
[14:03] <Imo> can i start xubuntu only with black screen :) ?
[14:03] <alienkid> black screen?
[14:04] <Imo> without desktop
[14:04] <Imo> only terminal
[14:06] <Imo> ????
[14:06] <alienkid> I belive so, but can't help much right noe for I am having my own problems
[14:06] <alienkid> *now
[14:06] <knome> Imo, at least you can do that continuosly, if you remove gdm
[14:06] <knome> Imo, if you want it only one time, i suggest just killing gdm/X
[14:07] <Imo> what is gdm ?
[14:07] <knome> Imo, or you can get a CLI by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 (back to graphical: ctrl+alt+f7)
[14:07] <knome> !gdm | io
[14:07] <Imo> ahh ok
[14:07] <Imo> this i want
[14:07] <knome> it's the graphical login screen
[14:07] <Imo> i want to use xubuntu as server
[14:08] <knome> then you'll maybe want to remove all x packages, if you won't run them.
[14:09] <Imo> I would like only that my CCU extent of utilization on zero is if I does not operate
[14:09] <Imo> CCU =CPU
[14:10] <alienkid> knome/ubottu any ideas what I should do?
[14:12] <knome> Imo, having the x packages installed doesn't use your cpu if you are not running them.
[14:12] <knome> alienkid, can you pastebin the output?
[14:12] <knome> i'm not sure if i will be very helpful, but...
[14:13] <alienkid> sure
[14:13] <alienkid> I found a simaler message
[14:13] <alienkid> that with some tweeking I can paste bin
[14:16] <Imo> knome: what is the x pchages ??? sorry i installes xubuntu at the first time
[14:17] <alienkid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/115200/ here you go BTW it's installed by wubi(just iin case that helps)
[14:18] <knome> !x | Imo
[14:18] <knome> Imo, you maybe want ubuntu server.
[14:18] <knome> Imo, or alternate install
[14:19] <knome> Imo, if you're going to rip off anything graphical anyway
[14:19] <Imo>  hmm
[14:19] <knome> alienkid, what happens if you run 'fsck /lib/init/rw/rootdev' ?
[14:19] <Imo> yes mybe ubuntu server its better :D
[14:20] <alienkid> haven't tryed. Would it mess up windows if I am using wubi?
[14:21] <alienkid> Becuase I REALLY don't want to mess up windows(mom would kill me)
[14:25] <knome> alienkid, just try that command from the terminal.
[14:28] <alienkid> knome as you might be able to tell I am afraid to run it because I fear that 1. I'll mess with Windows and 2. I am new to Linux and don't what to type
[14:29] <knome> alienkid, it checks the hard drive. nothing to fear.
[14:30] <alienkid> what I've seen on other forums says that it also made a few poeple unable to boot windows(they were running from a real partition)
[14:30] <alienkid> but what IS "/lib/init/rootdev"?
[14:32] <knome> i'm not actually sure, i think it has something to do with wubi, whcih i have no experience with. but it's not going to break your windows anyway.
[14:33] <alienkid> thats odd then becuase as far as I can see rootdev isn't on my system(running wubi)
[14:36] <alienkid> why woundn't it?
[14:36] <alienkid> (harm windows)
[14:41] <knome> alienkid, it just checks the filesystem for errors.
[14:42] <alienkid> ok I'll boot into wubi later today/tomorrow
[14:43] <alienkid> and see what happens(according to the man pages for fsck exit status 2 is system needs to reboot)
[14:52] <jarnos> Does automatic installation of security updates work without update-notifier?
[16:35] <Ben_Cs> anyone knows what file i should edit instead of xorg.conf for screen resolution? cause in 8.10 dependencies of xorg.conf were reduced
[16:38] <charlie-tca> If you add to xorg.conf, the system will use it. With the automatic configuration, entries in xorg.conf are not needed for most hardware.
[16:38] <Ben_Cs> charlie-tca: tried that before without success
[16:39] <charlie-tca> have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution ?
[16:39] <Ben_Cs> before i could use: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   ,but now it doesn't ask questions about resolution
[16:39] <charlie-tca> It does tell you how to set resolution in xorg.conf
[16:40] <charlie-tca> You are correct. It no longer sets resolution, but you can set it in xorg.conf manually
[16:40] <Ben_Cs> charlie-tca: ok but if i don't know all the details about my nvidia card
[16:40] <Ben_Cs> ?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> "xrandr --verbose"  and  "get-edid | parse-edid" should help with that.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Also, if you file a bug against your video card and monitor specifically, it may get added in.
[16:52] <Pharoah001> Hi.. Can I ask questions here about eeexubuntu?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Yes, if anyone knows the answer, they will help you.
[16:53] <Pharoah001> Ok. So I installed eee xubuntu from a USB drive and then I upgraded to the newer distribution
[16:53] <Pharoah001> then my WIFI didn't work
[16:54] <Pharoah001> so I ran niceeepc
[16:54] <Pharoah001> and now not only is nothing fixed, but my windowing is screwed up
[16:54] <Pharoah001> anyone know how I can get my eeepc back to normal?
[16:58] <Pharoah001> OK well in case anyone does know I've posted the question here
[16:58] <Pharoah001> http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=59945
[16:58] <Pharoah001> bye
[17:16] <jf812> Does anyone have problems with firefox slowing down?
[17:17] <jf812> ?
[17:47] <Ben_Cs> does ubuntu still have a major advantage over xubuntu concerning gui tools?
[17:47] <chewit> its easier to edit the menu in gnome
[17:48] <Ben_Cs> chewit: but how about system configuration?
[17:49] <chewit> what type of config
[17:49] <Ben_Cs> chewit: let me be more precise: what should i recommend to someone new to linux: ubuntu or xubuntu?
[17:49] <chewit> i would say Ubuntu easier to use for newbies
[17:50] <chewit> since gnome focuses on user experience
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I recommend Xubuntu to everyone
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Meuns are more simple than Ubuntu or Kubuntu. Once it is setup, it works great. And I do NOT like the spilled paint desktop
[17:51] <Ben_Cs> charlie-tca: i recommend xubuntu to everyone who knows about linux. but to a newbie? i have doubts
[17:51] <chewit> though, xfce 4.6 should be easier to use
[17:52] <Ben_Cs> chewit: when it'll be released (soon hopefully)
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Why not? newbie is going to learn about linux, right? May as well start here.
[17:52] <chewit> the final release should have been out yesturday
[17:53] <charlie-tca> They don't know anything anyway. Why not learn Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu, it is not any harder.
[17:53] <charlie-tca> chewit: I don't think it will release for a couple of weeks, will it?
[17:54] <Ben_Cs> charlie-tca: cause my parents aren't going to CLI
[17:54] <Ben_Cs> (maybe my father will a bit, but not my mom)
[17:55] <chewit> according to the xfce wiki it should be the 6th Feb
[17:56] <charlie-tca> It was delayed. It could be 2-3 weeks yet
[17:56] <chewit> well, hopefully it will be out in time for the feature freeze of 9.04
[17:56] <charlie-tca> We already have 4.6RC in Jaunty
[17:57] <chewit> yeh, well an RC will be fine for release. Though, I think Xubuntu team have been slow putting out updates
[17:57] <chewit> cause we havn't had 4.4.3 yet and AbiWord is still broken even though there is a fix out
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Actually, jaunty did have 4.4.3
[17:58] <chewit> yeh, but why is it not on the updates yet
[17:58] <chewit> its just backport isn't?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> for intrepid, not for jaunty
[17:58] <chewit> ah
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Jaunty is in development, so it gets it first
[17:59] <chewit> any ideas when intrepid will get xfce update and abiword
[17:59] <chewit> hardy should get it as well since its an LTS
[18:00] <charlie-tca> We are working on getting it into intrepid.
[18:00] <charlie-tca> What is wrong with AbiWord?
[18:00] <chewit> the version which ships with Intrepid has a scrolling bug
[18:01] <chewit> you can not scroll fast, you have to do it slowly.
[18:01] <chewit> i think it was fixed in 2.6.5
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Really? Do you know the bug number?
[18:01] <chewit> errm, i will look
[18:02] <chewit> sorry it was 2.6.6 it was fixed
[18:02] <chewit> "Fix a bug that caused scrolling in the opposite direction when scrolling quickly"
[18:02] <chewit> on the abiword changelog there is no bug number - http://www.abisource.com/changelogs/2.6.6.phtml
[18:02] <charlie-tca> I don't remember seeing a bug on it.
[18:03] <chewit> ah, it was fixed in 2.6.5, bug 11539
[18:03] <chewit> "Fast scroll wheel usage does not change document scroll position"
[18:04] <chewit> alot of bugs was fixed in 2.6.6, any chance this update can be pushed onto the repos?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> I don't know. It should have a SRU for that
[18:06] <chewit> SRU?
[18:08] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:08] <chewit> ah
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It is how these things get put in current releases
[18:08] <chewit> ok
[18:09] <chewit> I have always wanted to know why Ubuntu as a whole has not automatically pushed out updates for applications as soon as they are released. Wouldn't the developers done testing for those updates
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Not necessarily on all the current versions. Right now, that includes 6.06, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10
[18:12] <charlie-tca> And they are working to get 9.04 ready
[18:13] <chewit> ah ok
[18:14] <charlie-tca> And, almost everybody is a volunteer. Remarkable that a version gets out every 6 months...
[18:14] <chewit> yeh
[18:15] <kora-chan> hi, im trying to get amarok play lastfm streams. mp3 and other streams like di.fm work fine. when i load a last fm stream, right after logging in i recieve a error that says: no plugin found to play media, any ideas?
[18:16] <knome> kora-chan, amarok is not really a xubuntu issue, but just reload it again a few times. most possibly it will work then.
[18:16] <knome> kora-chan, there is #amarok if you need further support
[18:16] <kora-chan> knome: the users @ #amarok dont seem to be very talkative so i looked here for some support
[18:16] <chewit> you could always use Rhythmbox or Listen. Both of those have last fm streams
[18:17] <kora-chan> knome: thanks ill try the reinstalls
[18:21] <Ben_Cs> i forgot to ask:
[18:22] <Ben_Cs> do you think there will be noticeable speed difference between xubuntu and ubuntu on a P4 2.4GHZ with 768MB RAM?
[18:23] <knome> Ben_Cs, noticeable.. well, depens on  what you think is faster and what apps are you running, but i'd say yes.
[18:24] <Ben_Cs> ok thanks
[18:43] <e01> hello
[18:43] <e01> is here somebody that uses xfce4.4.2 on ubuntu 8.10
[18:43] <chewit> everyone here should be :P
[18:43] <e01> :)
[18:44] <e01> i need from someone volenteer to check one tool for me
[18:56] <TheSheep> why can't you do it yourself?
[18:56] <e01> because i am not on ubuntu
[18:56] <TheSheep> and what stops you from being?
[18:57] <e01> slackware
[18:57] <TheSheep> you don't even have to install it
[18:57] <e01> i was informed that my plugin don`t work correctly on ubuntu 8.10 with xfce4.4.2
[18:57] <e01> and i want to check it
[18:57] <e01> can You check
[18:57] <e01> http://e01.homelinux.net/xfce4-calc-plugin/
[18:58]  * TheSheep tries
[18:58] <e01> thank you
[18:59] <e01> the problem have to be in getting focus of entry box, that apear in panel
[19:01] <TheSheep> funny, I can't seem to find libxfce4panel in the repos...
[19:02] <TheSheep> ah, got it
[19:02] <TheSheep> it's xfce4-panel-dev :)
[19:05] <TheSheep> e01: displays a white sauqre instead of the input widget
[19:06] <e01> can you show me a screenshot, if it possible
[19:06] <TheSheep> e01: the normal input popup menu appears on right-click, and I can paste some text into it
[19:07] <TheSheep> e01: http://sheep.art.pl/misc/shot.png
[19:08] <e01> but it can take focus, right?
[19:09] <TheSheep> no
[19:09] <TheSheep> let me paste the warnings I get
[19:10] <TheSheep> e01: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103089/
[19:10] <e01> ok
[19:11] <e01> many thanks for helping
[19:11] <e01> i will thinking about this bug
[19:11] <TheSheep> np
[19:11] <TheSheep> cool idea for a plugin
[19:11] <e01> it seems that working only for xfce4.6 :)
[19:11] <e01> not and with 4.4, as i thinked
[19:12] <TheSheep> well, the problem will solve itself with time :)
[19:23] <ball> I feel a Xubuntu install coming on
[19:41] <mchelen> my digital camera is not showing up in /media even though thunar automounting is enabled
[19:41] <atgarsis> hello
[19:41] <ball> hello
[19:41] <atgarsis> i can't load one website on mozilla firefox, though it does load normally on windows (the same mozilla). any ideas why this happens?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> usually a poorly written html code... What is the website?
[19:43] <atgarsis> www.manotele2.lt
[19:43] <charlie-tca> It opened here
[19:44] <charlie-tca> TELE2? I can't read the language
[19:44] <atgarsis> so maybe there's something wrong with my mozilla congif. any ideas what could be wrong?
[19:44] <ball> Bah, my Xubuntu install USB flashdrive won't boot.
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Not me. anybody?
[19:45] <atgarsis> charlie-tca: what version do you use?
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Got any plugins or extensions loaded?
[19:45] <atgarsis> yeah
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020519 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.6
[19:45] <charlie-tca> I don't have any except downthemall
[19:46] <atgarsis> how to update mozilla using terminal?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> It came with my updates to jaunty
[19:47] <atgarsis> hmm... still can't load the website...
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Try turning javascript off?
[19:53] <atgarsis> still doesn't work...
[19:53] <atgarsis> actually it does get through manotele2.lt, but when it redirects to kt.tele2.lt it shows it has 'connected to kt.tele2.lt', but it stops in the middle and doesn't show anything
[19:54] <atgarsis> and it's the only website which doesn't load
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Hey, you are right! it did do that. It apparently is a login screen.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> https://kt.tele2.lt/login/
[19:55] <atgarsis> i know, but it doesn't load for me
[19:55] <atgarsis> i guess it's some sort of encryption problem or something...
[19:55] <atgarsis> it does load on winxp though
[19:56] <atgarsis> i will try to update to 3.0.6
[19:56] <atgarsis> mines 3.0.5 now
[19:57] <charlie-tca> weird...
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Want me to try 3.0.5?
[19:57] <atgarsis> have you got it?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Think so. Is that 8.10?
[19:58] <atgarsis> my full is
[19:58] <atgarsis> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008121622 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.5
[19:59] <genii> Any way to have items selected from Applications menu give the same sort of "Use Startup Notification" which items stared directly from the panel have?
[19:59] <genii> eg: Show activity cursor when they are loading so that users don't click on them over and over
[20:00] <charlie-tca> atgarsis: are you on 64-bit?
[20:00] <atgarsis> what do you mean?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> never mind, I see it.
[20:00] <charlie-tca> give me a minute to start up
[20:01] <atgarsis> alright
[20:05] <charlie-tca> atgarsis: It loaded for me in that exact version
[20:05] <atgarsis> what config have you got in security section in preferences?
[20:06] <chewit> atgarsis, the site works fine for me
[20:06] <chewit> using Firefox 3.0.5
[20:06] <atgarsis> hmm... no idea what's wrong for me...
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Firefox version 3.0.5 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv 1.0.0.5 ) Gecko/2008121622
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Had to type it in
[20:07] <atgarsis> maybe we have different seettings in edit/preferences/advanced/encryption ?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> First 3 checked; remember passwords checked
[20:08] <charlie-tca> It's an unmodified install of 8.10
[20:08] <atgarsis> and the 'advanced' 'encryption' fields/
[20:08] <atgarsis> ?
[20:09] <atgarsis> will try that on opera in a sec
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Use SSL 3.0  Use TLS 1.0  Ask for Certificates
[20:12] <atgarsis> on opera it says:
[20:12] <atgarsis> Secure connection: fatal error (552)
[20:12] <atgarsis> https://kt.tele2.lt/
[20:12] <atgarsis> Opera was not able to connect to the server. The server may be using the unsupported SSL 2 protocol, which is not considered safe enough for secure communication. The site owner should upgrade to TLS 1.0 or newer.
[20:12] <atgarsis> Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Try Epiphany
[20:13] <charlie-tca> epiphany-gecko uses the same engine as firefox
[20:15] <atgarsis> installing, will try
[20:16] <charlie-tca> good luck. It could be something in your firefox blocking it, or your router if using one could be.
[20:16] <atgarsis> but it's clearly something with encryption
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Yeah, maybe your router is blocking SSL2?
[20:17] <atgarsis> but when i plug the same internet wire to another laptop with winxp - it does load up!
[20:17] <chewit> you could try midori. Very light WebKit browser
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Then it's firefox
[20:18] <chewit> soon to be the default in xfce, but very buggy atm. i use it for web development, since webkit is best for that
[20:18] <atgarsis> firefox and opera!
[20:18] <charlie-tca> chewit: any ideas when midori will work for the average user?
[20:19] <chewit> have not got a clue, there is a more stable version out. Crashes alot less, i think its version 0.1.12
[20:19] <chewit> the one which is in ubuntu is 0.0.18, which is very unstable
[20:19] <atgarsis> it doesn't work on epiphany either!!!
[20:20] <atgarsis> then it's not the browser, but my connection.
[20:20] <chewit> though, even if it becomes stable, its along way off challenging firefox for the default browser in Xubuntu in my opinion
[20:21] <chewit> atgarsis, use a different web browser which uses a different engine
[20:21] <chewit> may help
[20:21] <atgarsis> which one you'd recommend?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Why do think so, chewit? We considered it last release
[20:22] <chewit> it doesn't have the features. It meets the requirements to be a GTK light weight browser, but you use alot of functionality. I would only use it to test my web pages look ok
[20:23] <chewit> it maybe better to look at ways to make firefox lighter for xubuntu
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I see. My needs of features seem to be getting to the website
[20:24] <charlie-tca> We aren't allowed to modify firefox.
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Can't even fix things in firefox that are broken without Mozilla approving it
[20:24] <atgarsis> so which browser uses a different engine?
[20:24] <chewit> ok. but when you choose a web browser for default you would need to consider the avg user. I think most people like all the extra things which come with firefox, like plugins
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Oh, bookmarks are a plus, too
[20:25] <chewit> yeh
[20:25] <atgarsis> chewit, so which browser uses a different engine?
[20:25] <chewit> have u looked at the updated version of midori
[20:25] <Odd-rationale> atgarsis: midori uses webkit
[20:25] <charlie-tca> No, I haven't had a chance
[20:25] <chewit> well, there is a deb file available on getdeb
[20:25] <Odd-rationale> opera has their own web engine, too
[20:26] <atgarsis> but opera doesn't open that site either!
[20:26] <charlie-tca> chewit: tell me more. I'll try it
[20:26] <atgarsis> maybe it's wicd?
[20:26] <chewit> ah, GetDeb now has the latest version of Midori, 0.1.2, havn;t tried that version yet
[20:27] <chewit> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Midori
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Thanks. I'll get to it later.
[20:29] <chewit> what was the reason to replace risterro with gpicview for 8.10
[20:29] <chewit> cause xfce uses risterro
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I think it worked better
[20:29] <chewit> ok
[20:29] <Odd-rationale> i heard that gpicview is more lightweight...
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> this might have been due to, iirc, some memory leak in ristretto... idk if it has been fixed yet or not...
[20:32] <chewit> charlie-tca: full changelog here for all the midori versions. http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/midori/ChangeLog
[20:32] <atgarsis> doesn't work either............
[20:32] <chewit> the one ubuntu 8.10, is a very old release
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Thanks, chewit
[20:32] <chewit> np
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that happens. Maybe we can get a newer one in Jaunty
[20:34] <chewit> yeh, then it maybe much more stable to use as default
[20:35] <atgarsis> anyway, thanks charlie-tca, chewit et al for your help!
[20:35] <chewit> np
[20:35] <chewit> going back to gpicview, why didn't the team then decide to use PCManFM, since they are both very similar and made by the same dev team
[20:35] <chewit> and have more features than thunar
[20:36] <charlie-tca> I don't knwo
[20:37] <charlie-tca> s/knwo/know
[20:42] <chewit> charlie, lots of improves in features on midori 0.1.2
[20:42] <chewit> bookmarks, history, full screen, printing
[20:43] <chewit> extensions
[20:43] <chewit> though, still the random crash
[20:43] <charlie-tca> See, there is hope
[20:44] <chewit> yeh, you are right
[21:03] <arpad> any ideas why the nvidia drivers would all fail with two adapters on 8.04? using envyng the legacy and new-legacy drivers both give me rminitadapter failed and the latest driver segfaults xorg. the nvidia installer behaves like the latest envyng. i had this same setup working fine in 8.10 so i'm certain it isn't a hardware issue
[21:22] <Dream> Hi!
[21:23] <Dream> i purchase new mouse. i got 2 new button on its wheel : left & right. Does anyone know how to configurer action on them please ?
[21:24] <Dream> hey! it works on pidgin!
[21:25] <Dream> does anyone could help me to configure action for previous and next page on firefox?
[21:30] <Dream> i got the solution :) http://imaginux.com/roadtolinux/dotclear/index.php?2007/04/24/196-logitech-lx3 [FR] thanks :)
[22:03] <nikolam> Hi i have one question about memory consumption , if someone knows
[22:05] <gamerchick02> what's up, nikolam?
[22:05] <nikolam> I have like 2 gigs of ram
[22:05] <nikolam> :)
[22:05] <gamerchick02> ok
[22:05] <gamerchick02> you should have no problems running Xubuntu then
[22:05] <nikolam> And 256 dedicated of that to integrated graphics
[22:05] <gamerchick02> i'm on a gig, with no graphics card (integrated graphics)
[22:05] <gamerchick02> ok
[22:05] <nikolam> memory consumption is 1445MB of 1761MB
[22:06] <gamerchick02> wow
[22:06] <gamerchick02> what are you running?
[22:06] <gamerchick02> i'm assuming xchat or something... firefox?
[22:06] <nikolam> seamonkey takes 561.8MB with 2 dozen of tabs
[22:06] <gamerchick02> wow
[22:06] <nikolam> firefox use 108MB with only one window
[22:07] <gamerchick02> again, wow
[22:07] <nikolam> xfce4-menu-plugin uses 85MB
[22:07] <gamerchick02> any screenlets or anything going on?
[22:07] <gamerchick02> compiz?
[22:07] <gamerchick02> is your computer hanging when you try to do stuff?
[22:07] <nikolam> vlc 31MB, transmission 29MB, Pidgin 25MB xchat 23
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> firefox uses a lot with just one window, i know. but compared to other browser, the memory usage scales up quite a bit slower when you starting adding a bunch of tabs...
[22:08] <nikolam> My question is: Is it truely sum to up to 17xx
[22:08] <nikolam> ah, now i closed firefox and it dropped to 1341MB
[22:09] <nikolam> No compiz
[22:09] <nikolam> screenlets are off now. I have them installed but not on
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> i'm on gnome, and only using 200-450mb of ram...
[22:09] <gamerchick02> if you want lower mem consumption, try Opera...
[22:09] <gamerchick02> i'm on Xubuntu
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> out of 1gb.
[22:10] <nikolam> Main question is.. used memory is always bigger then sum of programs used..
[22:10] <nikolam> I mainly use Seamonkey. etc.
[22:10] <gamerchick02> you probably have background stuff running
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> nikolam: what are you using to check mem usage?
[22:11] <Odd-rationale> gnome-system-monitor?
[22:11] <nikolam> And I also don`t like when System is slow when some application uses disk. Like multitasking for Disk is not quite working well
[22:11] <gamerchick02> like, your package manager is looking for new updates. you can always tell it to look only once a week
[22:11] <nikolam> System monitor for applications
[22:11] <nikolam> system monitor uses 14MB :)
[22:12] <gamerchick02> :)
[22:12] <nikolam> gamerchick02, and system load monitor on xfce panel
[22:12] <gamerchick02> k
[22:13] <gamerchick02> is it hanging your machine?
[22:13] <nikolam> xfce4-systemload-plugin uses 12Mb itself :)
[22:13] <nikolam> gamerchick02, no. But I have problem when using disk
[22:13] <gamerchick02> hrm.
[22:13] <gamerchick02> does your disk act up or something?
[22:13] <nikolam> I think that disk access is terrebly slow when I have concurrent disk access from more then one app
[22:13] <gamerchick02> ah.
[22:14] <gamerchick02> i really don't know what to tell you, other than kill unneeded stuff
[22:14] <nikolam> I use 2 sata 7200rpm seagata 320gb and i have 2 partitions on each acting as raid1 software linux raid
[22:15] <nikolam> gamerchick02, its not actually big problem. but it is interesting..
[22:15] <gamerchick02> i've got screenlets, flock, firefox, xchat, pidgin, specto...
[22:15] <nikolam> Also when Update is doing its job other apps stugle for access to disk
[22:15] <nikolam> gamerchick02, how much ram?
[22:15] <gamerchick02> had a couple Thunar windows open
[22:15] <gamerchick02> i have 1 gb
[22:16] <nikolam> and total usag when all is working?
[22:16] <gamerchick02> my CPU is at 10%
[22:16] <gamerchick02> if i'm transferring files, the load goes up
[22:16] <nikolam> not cpu memory
[22:16] <gamerchick02> Xubuntu is pretty snappy anyway
[22:17] <nikolam> yes i use xubuntu for that, to be shure everything is as fast as possible
[22:17] <gamerchick02> :)
[22:17] <gamerchick02> if you want faster try crunchbang ;)
[22:17] <nikolam> what is specto? :)
[22:17] <gamerchick02> uses Openbox
[22:17] <gamerchick02> it's a notifier program
[22:17] <nikolam> ahh i have seen some lxde ppa
[22:17] <nikolam> looks nice :)
[22:17] <gamerchick02> for gmail. RSS, facebook, etc
[22:18] <nikolam> aha ok.
[22:18] <gamerchick02> http://specto.sourceforge.net
[22:18] <gamerchick02> i think
[22:18] <gamerchick02> i might have missed a letter in there
[22:18] <gamerchick02> no, i'm right ;)
[22:19] <nikolam> Also i am thinking about something..
[22:19] <nikolam> I would be SO happy to continue using LTS indefinately :))
[22:19] <nikolam> with New applications I want to use
[22:19] <gamerchick02> Hardy?
[22:20] <nikolam> I am on Hardy 64-bit
[22:20] <nikolam> But all newer apps are not available
[22:20] <gamerchick02> i just upgrade when the new one comes out
[22:20] <gamerchick02> true
[22:20] <nikolam> i used to use getdeb.net
[22:21] <gamerchick02> *shrug* i guess i'm not so worried about an LTS version.
[22:21] <gamerchick02> they have some good stuff on there
[22:21] <nikolam> And I learned to make newer packages if newer packages are available for jaunty
[22:21] <gamerchick02> i tend to use the repos more
[22:21] <gamerchick02> hey, if you want to use it, go ahead :)
[22:21] <nikolam> yes. I mostly use repos :)
[22:21] <gamerchick02> that's the great thing about Linux in general. you can use whatever you want, as long as it works for you
[22:21] <gamerchick02> upgrade isn't really "forced"
[22:22] <nikolam> But problem is that user mostly is locked inside application versions distributed within distribution version it use.
[22:23] <gamerchick02> true
[22:24] <nikolam> so only thing I can think off is that I must learn how to port newer programs to ubuntu
[22:24] <nikolam> and to make backports for those apps and use them
[22:24] <nikolam> I am doing that for some time now for myself with extensive installations of newer libraries
[22:25] <nikolam> Another problem is testing.
[22:25] <nikolam> How to test newest Xubuntu if I don`t actually use it? :)
[22:25] <nikolam> and applications.
[22:25] <pqb> Good evening.
[22:25] <nikolam> And i can`t use it because it is dangerous when it is unstable
[22:25] <gamerchick02> well, you could try a virtual machine
[22:25] <nikolam> pqb hello
[22:26] <gamerchick02> good evening pqb
[22:26] <nikolam> gamerchick02, I have virtualbox And dual boot
[22:26] <gamerchick02> ah
[22:26] <nikolam> but. how to test newer programs effectively if I am on Hardy all the time? :)
[22:27] <pqb> I'm running Ubuntu in VirtualBox on Mac OS X and would like to access my host via network connection. Could someone tell me where to configure this?
[22:27] <nikolam> Answer could be that maybe people should use newer packages on stable versions and test thenm in that way. with everday use
[22:27] <nikolam> pqb, safe bet is on #vbox channel
[22:27] <gamerchick02> that's a good idea nikolam. have you brought this idea to the devs?
[22:28] <nikolam> Also I think virtualbox have extensive support in help
[22:28] <pqb> nikolam thanks
[22:28] <nikolam> gamerchick02, I don`t know. I think that ansqer would be: go for it, make backports :) Do it yourself :)
[22:29] <gamerchick02> true
[22:29] <gamerchick02> if you can do it, do it yourself.
[22:29] <nikolam> pqb, also maybe you wander where to set networking Inside xubuntu? :)
[22:29] <gamerchick02> i'm not a programmer... i'm a user/promoter so i don't think i could do that
[22:30] <pqb> nikolam yes, I do...
[22:30] <nikolam> I am not also. But making packages from already existing sources for ubuntu is trivial. (see debian-reference package)
[22:30] <gamerchick02> :) thanks
[22:31] <nikolam> gamerchick02, but what is non-trivial is make those .dsc and diff file to port package to ubuntu or newer one.
[22:31] <nikolam> Per instance I use Seamonkey and I need 1.1.14 packages but only 1.1.13 is in jaunty repo
[22:32] <nikolam> so, I need to do something about that (bug exists)
[22:32] <pqb> I started with Ubuntu and then added the X desktop. That doesn't make any difference, from installing Xubuntu at first does it?
[22:32] <nikolam> pqb, in xubuntu , go to System> Network > Unlock and set it.
[22:33] <nikolam> pqb, I think it should use dhcp by default
[22:33] <nikolam> thats xubuntu side. You check virtualbox docs for other part
[22:34] <nikolam> pqb, mostly not. Some apps are not installed with xubuntu and are with ubuntu and vice versa
[22:34] <nikolam> But you can always have allpackages :)
[22:34] <pqb> nikolam, thanks very much for all the info.
[22:35] <nikolam> pqb :)
[22:36] <nikolam> gamerchick02, I think I will buy 4GB, added to current 2Gig, to run multiple virtualboxes or KVM/QEMU :)
[22:36] <gamerchick02> :)
[22:37] <gamerchick02> off for something to eat... back in a bit :)
[22:38] <nikolam> cu :)
[23:22] <dkkong> Is it possible to change desktop icons in XFCE?
[23:37] <chris_xfce> Theme-Question: hi, there, i downloaded this "theme": http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/xfce/  unzipped it and moved it to  /usr/share/themes .  The name of the theme, Mire v2 grime doesnt appear in the list of themes in the user interface preferences. but it appears in the list of available styles in the window manager. so my question: are those themes at deviantart actually just window decorations or what? when
[23:37] <chris_xfce> i inspect the zip file, there's p.ex. the wallpaper missing, etc.
[23:38] <chris_xfce> i just don't seem to understand how to use those themes from deviantart... btw. just moved from kde to xfce, so bear with me please
[23:45] <chris_xfce> answer: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[23:45] <chris_xfce> kthxbye
[23:54] <sjefen6> How do i brows harddrives using the live cd?
[23:57] <dark_abyss0> can anyone help me with XFCE?
[23:58] <sjefen6> How do I unblock a harddrive?