[02:01] Does xfce4 not allow for making selections with the mouse by drawing a box around items like on the desktop or within Thunar? [02:09] MaxHavoc: only in thunar [02:10] MaxHavoc: it will allow doing it on the desktop by the end of April hopefully [02:10] What happens then? New version? [02:10] yes, Jaunty Jackalope [02:11] I thought xfce was a separate development, the release of xfce might not necesarilly correlate to the release of Jaunty [02:12] yes [02:12] that's why "hopefully" [02:12] Ah [02:12] Touche [02:12] the xubuntu developers are actually collaborating with xfce devs [02:12] which is very nice [02:13] Good to hear [02:13] Hey, do you know where I can find a list of all the xfce4 applications? Like, where on the file system are they? [02:14] well, apt-cache search xfce should give you the list of package names, and dpkg -L packagename will show you the list of files [02:15] Does the apt-cache search only show me what I have installed? [02:16] no, it shows the conatnets of all repositories you have enabled [02:16] you could use something like dpkg -l | grep xfce | grep ii [02:18] Haarrumph, I can't find the showdesktop command, I want to make a keyboard shortcut for it, but I don't know the command [02:27] anybody got a canon printer/scanner working, as in scanning in Xubuntu? [03:09] Does anyone know how I can modify the Default keyboard shortcuts theme rather than having to add my own? [03:18] er [03:18] you guys should use pcmanfm instead [03:19] thunar blows [03:19] it freezes a lot on me [03:19] I have yet to have pcmanfm to freeze on me :D [03:20] I just use the terminal [03:21] well you can not use the terminal for every thing MaxHavoc [03:22] like shorting out photos [03:22] MaxHavoc you can [03:22] just do custom [03:23] Eh? [03:23] the custom will have the defaults [03:23] until you edit it [03:23] Right, but then I have two keyboard shortcut themes, I only want one, I just want to edit the Default rather than adding my own [03:24] I see [03:24] just click on add right below the table that says default in it [03:24] and put custom [03:24] You're missing my point, that still creates a second theme [03:24] then edit the default options [03:25] Notice how everything in Default is greyed out? I want to be able to edit it [03:25] there is no way to do it the other way through the gui [03:25] you can not [03:25] only through add [03:26] Well then how can I do it through the CLI? [03:28] not sure [03:29] It's very annoying and anti-linuxy of them to prevent me from editing the default [03:31] MaxHavoc: you can edit them. download the sources, change the defaults in them and compile [03:31] MaxHavoc: is that linuxy enough? [03:31] Well sure there's always that option, but that's an awful lot of work for very little gain [03:32] MaxHavoc: what do you expect to gain exactly? [03:32] Placating my OCD desire to not have unnecessary and redundant themes [03:34] where is it supposed to store the settings then? [03:34] Storing the settings in default is fine, but let me edit them [03:34] The whole idea of having defaults is something to fall back to, but why must they remain inviolate? [03:35] it can't store them in the default, they are compiled in [03:35] it can't recompile itself [03:35] That's silly, they should be stored in a conf file like everything else in Linux [03:35] what if the conf file is missing? [03:35] Then no shortcuts for you [03:35] the non-fallback ones are stored in a conf file [03:35] That's what backups are for [03:36] the fallback ones are compiled in [03:36] I find it sane [03:36] and sturdy [03:37] I suppose, I still find it annoying [03:39] it's for the Greater Good of Mankind ;) [03:40] Well I guess I'll let myself be mollified by that [03:40] And I was able to accomplish my goal even if I had to create a non default theme to do it [03:41] I really wish xfce4 had a keyboard shortcuts template to emulate Windows [03:42] ugh [03:43] it's enough that they've broken ctrl+w [03:44] Of course like an idiot I try ctrl-W and it closes the channel [03:44] Sigh [03:44] you just *had* to test it [03:44] in sane programs it deletes the last word you typed [03:45] That would be convinient [03:45] very convenient [03:45] That has nothing to do with emulating Windows though, ctrl-w doesn't do anything in Windows [03:45] wanna bet? :) [03:46] Well I'll be damned...only seems to work for certain things though, built-in Windows apps only [03:46] Or maybe just explorer windows [03:47] all windows that have 'close' [03:47] some have only 'quit' [03:47] Hmm [03:48] Intriguing [03:48] there are worse things [03:48] ctrl+a space swithces windows in screen [03:48] guess what it does on windows and windows-clones [03:48] Regardless, what I really miss is ctrl-tab and ctrl-f4 [03:49] they work [03:49] ctrl+tab switches internal windows, ctrl+f4 closes them [03:49] or tabs [03:49] That's what they should do [03:49] ctrl-f4 doesn't work for me in Firefox [03:49] Neither work in the terminal [03:50] works for me [03:50] Did you change something to get them to work? [03:50] no [03:50] Hmm [03:53] Is there a way to access the menu with the keyboard? Like in Windows you could press alt to get to the menu then use the keyboard navigation keys [03:55] alt+space [03:55] That only seems to access the icon menu, not the application menu [03:55] alt+first letter of the menu item [03:56] Ah, ok [03:56] So, no generic alt to get to the first menu, you have to explicitly use the letter [03:56] Good to know, thanks [03:56] no idea, maybe there is some [03:56] shortcuts should be described in the help [03:57] it's actually useful [03:57] not like on windows [03:58] What a novel idea [05:47] Hey I'm having a little bit of trouble with my xfce panel. For some reason my action button is only giving me the option of closing the xfce panel instead of the usual options of shutting down the computer and other such options. Is there any way to get it back to normal? [05:49] Is anyone there? [05:58] hello [05:59] does anyone know how to 'get back' the squares at the bottom right (like in here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Xubuntu-6.06-pl.png) which one can click to switch between programs? they somehow disappeared from my desktop. [06:07] atgarsis: are you running compiz? [06:08] what's compiz? [06:08] if you have to ask, then you probably aren't using it. :) [06:08] probably not :) [06:08] i think i can help, just right-click down in the portion of the panel where you want to add the items back... [06:09] ... and select "add new item" [06:09] ok [06:09] then select "pager" from that menu [06:09] oh, wait... [06:09] sorry, wrong one [06:10] you want to select "task list" [06:10] so, right click on panel, add new item, "task list" [06:10] that should do it [06:10] that work? [06:12] no, it's different [06:13] it doesn't look like the previous one [06:15] any other ideas? [06:17] but 'pager' did it! [06:28] another quick question: how to change the number of workspaces? i have 3, but i want 2 left. [06:30] atgarsis: go to applications > settings > settings manager > workspaces and margins [06:30] you can change the number there [06:30] thank you! [08:24] where would a digital camera be mounted after plugging in? [08:42] mchelen: probably /media [08:53] !auto mount [08:53] Sorry, I don't know anything about auto mount [10:02] /media yes. === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [12:46] Hi, is anybody here using gome-commender under xubuntu? [13:20] update-apt-xapi just does not finnish. What it is for anyway? [13:27] guys my bros computer(the one that boots text based) just booted into a "maintenance shell" after [fail]ing to force run fsck on /lib/init/rw/rootdev. [13:31] is there an ability to run soulseek on xubuntu? [13:32] What's that? [13:32] He just rebooted into Windows. [13:32] my bro is taking over talking I have to shower [13:33] It just booted Windows fine. [13:35] So what's "soulseek"? [13:36] Darn. [13:37] Should I just reinstall? 'cause I kinda' wanted to reinstall anyway. My brother says after every 23 boots it would now do that though. Would it? [13:52] ok heres what it siad when it booted "/lib/init/rw/rootdev/ has been mounted 23 times and not cheeked forcing fsck. /n [FAIL] /n booting into maintenance shell filesystem is running in readonly mode run fsck on /lib/init/rw/rootdev/ then press CONTROL-D" it was then logged into root@ubuntu we installed using WUBI [13:55] the above was not read from screen. [13:59] can I just use WUBI to reinstall?(it was installed with it) [14:02] hello [14:03] can i start xubuntu only with black screen :) ? [14:03] black screen? [14:04] without desktop [14:04] only terminal [14:06] ???? [14:06] I belive so, but can't help much right noe for I am having my own problems [14:06] *now [14:06] Imo, at least you can do that continuosly, if you remove gdm [14:06] Imo, if you want it only one time, i suggest just killing gdm/X [14:07] what is gdm ? [14:07] Imo, or you can get a CLI by pressing ctrl+alt+f1 (back to graphical: ctrl+alt+f7) [14:07] !gdm | io [14:07] Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm [14:07] ahh ok [14:07] this i want [14:07] it's the graphical login screen [14:07] i want to use xubuntu as server [14:08] then you'll maybe want to remove all x packages, if you won't run them. [14:09] I would like only that my CCU extent of utilization on zero is if I does not operate [14:09] CCU =CPU [14:10] knome/ubottu any ideas what I should do? [14:12] Imo, having the x packages installed doesn't use your cpu if you are not running them. [14:12] alienkid, can you pastebin the output? [14:12] i'm not sure if i will be very helpful, but... [14:13] sure [14:13] I found a simaler message [14:13] that with some tweeking I can paste bin [14:16] knome: what is the x pchages ??? sorry i installes xubuntu at the first time [14:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/115200/ here you go BTW it's installed by wubi(just iin case that helps) [14:18] !x | Imo [14:18] Imo: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [14:18] Imo, you maybe want ubuntu server. [14:18] Imo, or alternate install [14:19] Imo, if you're going to rip off anything graphical anyway [14:19] hmm [14:19] alienkid, what happens if you run 'fsck /lib/init/rw/rootdev' ? [14:19] yes mybe ubuntu server its better :D [14:20] haven't tryed. Would it mess up windows if I am using wubi? [14:21] Becuase I REALLY don't want to mess up windows(mom would kill me) [14:25] alienkid, just try that command from the terminal. === Meegee is now known as Weegee [14:28] knome as you might be able to tell I am afraid to run it because I fear that 1. I'll mess with Windows and 2. I am new to Linux and don't what to type [14:29] alienkid, it checks the hard drive. nothing to fear. [14:30] what I've seen on other forums says that it also made a few poeple unable to boot windows(they were running from a real partition) [14:30] but what IS "/lib/init/rootdev"? [14:32] i'm not actually sure, i think it has something to do with wubi, whcih i have no experience with. but it's not going to break your windows anyway. [14:33] thats odd then becuase as far as I can see rootdev isn't on my system(running wubi) [14:36] why woundn't it? [14:36] (harm windows) [14:41] alienkid, it just checks the filesystem for errors. [14:42] ok I'll boot into wubi later today/tomorrow [14:43] and see what happens(according to the man pages for fsck exit status 2 is system needs to reboot) [14:52] Does automatic installation of security updates work without update-notifier? [16:35] anyone knows what file i should edit instead of xorg.conf for screen resolution? cause in 8.10 dependencies of xorg.conf were reduced [16:38] If you add to xorg.conf, the system will use it. With the automatic configuration, entries in xorg.conf are not needed for most hardware. [16:38] charlie-tca: tried that before without success [16:39] have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution ? [16:39] before i could use: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,but now it doesn't ask questions about resolution [16:39] It does tell you how to set resolution in xorg.conf [16:40] You are correct. It no longer sets resolution, but you can set it in xorg.conf manually [16:40] charlie-tca: ok but if i don't know all the details about my nvidia card [16:40] ? [16:43] "xrandr --verbose" and "get-edid | parse-edid" should help with that. [16:44] Also, if you file a bug against your video card and monitor specifically, it may get added in. [16:52] Hi.. Can I ask questions here about eeexubuntu? [16:53] Yes, if anyone knows the answer, they will help you. [16:53] Ok. So I installed eee xubuntu from a USB drive and then I upgraded to the newer distribution [16:53] then my WIFI didn't work [16:54] so I ran niceeepc [16:54] and now not only is nothing fixed, but my windowing is screwed up [16:54] anyone know how I can get my eeepc back to normal? [16:58] OK well in case anyone does know I've posted the question here [16:58] http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=59945 [16:58] bye [17:16] Does anyone have problems with firefox slowing down? [17:17] ? [17:47] does ubuntu still have a major advantage over xubuntu concerning gui tools? [17:47] its easier to edit the menu in gnome [17:48] chewit: but how about system configuration? [17:49] what type of config [17:49] chewit: let me be more precise: what should i recommend to someone new to linux: ubuntu or xubuntu? [17:49] i would say Ubuntu easier to use for newbies [17:50] since gnome focuses on user experience [17:50] I recommend Xubuntu to everyone [17:51] Meuns are more simple than Ubuntu or Kubuntu. Once it is setup, it works great. And I do NOT like the spilled paint desktop [17:51] charlie-tca: i recommend xubuntu to everyone who knows about linux. but to a newbie? i have doubts [17:51] though, xfce 4.6 should be easier to use [17:52] chewit: when it'll be released (soon hopefully) [17:52] Why not? newbie is going to learn about linux, right? May as well start here. [17:52] the final release should have been out yesturday [17:53] They don't know anything anyway. Why not learn Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu, it is not any harder. [17:53] chewit: I don't think it will release for a couple of weeks, will it? [17:54] charlie-tca: cause my parents aren't going to CLI [17:54] (maybe my father will a bit, but not my mom) [17:55] according to the xfce wiki it should be the 6th Feb [17:56] It was delayed. It could be 2-3 weeks yet [17:56] well, hopefully it will be out in time for the feature freeze of 9.04 [17:56] We already have 4.6RC in Jaunty [17:57] yeh, well an RC will be fine for release. Though, I think Xubuntu team have been slow putting out updates [17:57] cause we havn't had 4.4.3 yet and AbiWord is still broken even though there is a fix out [17:58] Actually, jaunty did have 4.4.3 [17:58] yeh, but why is it not on the updates yet [17:58] its just backport isn't? [17:58] for intrepid, not for jaunty [17:58] ah [17:59] Jaunty is in development, so it gets it first [17:59] any ideas when intrepid will get xfce update and abiword [17:59] hardy should get it as well since its an LTS [18:00] We are working on getting it into intrepid. [18:00] What is wrong with AbiWord? [18:00] the version which ships with Intrepid has a scrolling bug [18:01] you can not scroll fast, you have to do it slowly. [18:01] i think it was fixed in 2.6.5 [18:01] Really? Do you know the bug number? [18:01] errm, i will look [18:02] sorry it was 2.6.6 it was fixed [18:02] "Fix a bug that caused scrolling in the opposite direction when scrolling quickly" [18:02] on the abiword changelog there is no bug number - http://www.abisource.com/changelogs/2.6.6.phtml [18:02] I don't remember seeing a bug on it. [18:03] ah, it was fixed in 2.6.5, bug 11539 [18:03] "Fast scroll wheel usage does not change document scroll position" [18:04] alot of bugs was fixed in 2.6.6, any chance this update can be pushed onto the repos? [18:05] I don't know. It should have a SRU for that [18:06] SRU? [18:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [18:08] ah [18:08] It is how these things get put in current releases [18:08] ok [18:09] I have always wanted to know why Ubuntu as a whole has not automatically pushed out updates for applications as soon as they are released. Wouldn't the developers done testing for those updates [18:12] Not necessarily on all the current versions. Right now, that includes 6.06, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10 [18:12] And they are working to get 9.04 ready [18:13] ah ok [18:14] And, almost everybody is a volunteer. Remarkable that a version gets out every 6 months... [18:14] yeh [18:15] hi, im trying to get amarok play lastfm streams. mp3 and other streams like di.fm work fine. when i load a last fm stream, right after logging in i recieve a error that says: no plugin found to play media, any ideas? [18:16] kora-chan, amarok is not really a xubuntu issue, but just reload it again a few times. most possibly it will work then. [18:16] kora-chan, there is #amarok if you need further support [18:16] knome: the users @ #amarok dont seem to be very talkative so i looked here for some support [18:16] you could always use Rhythmbox or Listen. Both of those have last fm streams [18:17] knome: thanks ill try the reinstalls [18:21] i forgot to ask: [18:22] do you think there will be noticeable speed difference between xubuntu and ubuntu on a P4 2.4GHZ with 768MB RAM? [18:23] Ben_Cs, noticeable.. well, depens on what you think is faster and what apps are you running, but i'd say yes. [18:24] ok thanks [18:43] hello [18:43] is here somebody that uses xfce4.4.2 on ubuntu 8.10 [18:43] everyone here should be :P [18:43] :) [18:44] i need from someone volenteer to check one tool for me === boerni is now known as Boerni === Boerni is now known as boerni === boerni is now known as Boerni [18:56] why can't you do it yourself? [18:56] because i am not on ubuntu [18:56] and what stops you from being? [18:57] slackware [18:57] you don't even have to install it [18:57] i was informed that my plugin don`t work correctly on ubuntu 8.10 with xfce4.4.2 [18:57] and i want to check it [18:57] can You check [18:57] http://e01.homelinux.net/xfce4-calc-plugin/ [18:58] * TheSheep tries [18:58] thank you [18:59] the problem have to be in getting focus of entry box, that apear in panel [19:01] funny, I can't seem to find libxfce4panel in the repos... [19:02] ah, got it [19:02] it's xfce4-panel-dev :) [19:05] e01: displays a white sauqre instead of the input widget [19:06] can you show me a screenshot, if it possible [19:06] e01: the normal input popup menu appears on right-click, and I can paste some text into it [19:07] e01: http://sheep.art.pl/misc/shot.png [19:08] but it can take focus, right? [19:09] no [19:09] let me paste the warnings I get [19:10] e01: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/103089/ [19:10] ok [19:11] many thanks for helping [19:11] i will thinking about this bug [19:11] np [19:11] cool idea for a plugin [19:11] it seems that working only for xfce4.6 :) [19:11] not and with 4.4, as i thinked [19:12] well, the problem will solve itself with time :) [19:23] I feel a Xubuntu install coming on [19:41] my digital camera is not showing up in /media even though thunar automounting is enabled [19:41] hello [19:41] hello [19:41] i can't load one website on mozilla firefox, though it does load normally on windows (the same mozilla). any ideas why this happens? [19:42] usually a poorly written html code... What is the website? [19:43] www.manotele2.lt [19:43] It opened here [19:44] TELE2? I can't read the language [19:44] so maybe there's something wrong with my mozilla congif. any ideas what could be wrong? [19:44] Bah, my Xubuntu install USB flashdrive won't boot. [19:44] Not me. anybody? [19:45] charlie-tca: what version do you use? [19:45] Got any plugins or extensions loaded? [19:45] yeah [19:45] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009020519 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Firefox/3.0.6 [19:45] I don't have any except downthemall [19:46] how to update mozilla using terminal? [19:47] It came with my updates to jaunty [19:47] hmm... still can't load the website... [19:51] Try turning javascript off? [19:53] still doesn't work... [19:53] actually it does get through manotele2.lt, but when it redirects to kt.tele2.lt it shows it has 'connected to kt.tele2.lt', but it stops in the middle and doesn't show anything [19:54] and it's the only website which doesn't load [19:54] Hey, you are right! it did do that. It apparently is a login screen. [19:55] https://kt.tele2.lt/login/ [19:55] i know, but it doesn't load for me [19:55] i guess it's some sort of encryption problem or something... [19:55] it does load on winxp though [19:56] i will try to update to 3.0.6 [19:56] mines 3.0.5 now [19:57] weird... [19:57] Want me to try 3.0.5? [19:57] have you got it? [19:57] Think so. Is that 8.10? [19:58] my full is [19:58] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008121622 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.5 [19:59] Any way to have items selected from Applications menu give the same sort of "Use Startup Notification" which items stared directly from the panel have? [19:59] eg: Show activity cursor when they are loading so that users don't click on them over and over [20:00] atgarsis: are you on 64-bit? [20:00] what do you mean? [20:00] never mind, I see it. [20:00] give me a minute to start up [20:01] alright [20:05] atgarsis: It loaded for me in that exact version [20:05] what config have you got in security section in preferences? [20:06] atgarsis, the site works fine for me [20:06] using Firefox 3.0.5 [20:06] hmm... no idea what's wrong for me... [20:06] Firefox version 3.0.5 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv 1.0.0.5 ) Gecko/2008121622 [20:07] Had to type it in [20:07] maybe we have different seettings in edit/preferences/advanced/encryption ? [20:07] First 3 checked; remember passwords checked [20:08] It's an unmodified install of 8.10 [20:08] and the 'advanced' 'encryption' fields/ [20:08] ? [20:09] will try that on opera in a sec [20:10] Use SSL 3.0 Use TLS 1.0 Ask for Certificates [20:12] on opera it says: [20:12] Secure connection: fatal error (552) [20:12] https://kt.tele2.lt/ [20:12] Opera was not able to connect to the server. The server may be using the unsupported SSL 2 protocol, which is not considered safe enough for secure communication. The site owner should upgrade to TLS 1.0 or newer. [20:12] Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working. [20:13] Try Epiphany [20:13]