| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| _Groo_ | can anyone help me out, im having a bad deb package day :D | 00:05 |
| _Groo_ | its a real simple question, the debhelper isnt honoring the debian/tmp dir.. it creates the package dir (in this case basket-kde4) but cant follow my basket-kde4.install | 00:06 |
| _Groo_ | anyone? | 00:09 |
| _Groo_ | i also finished the backport for intrepid of koffice2 beta6.. if anyone wants the diffs... | 00:11 |
| ScottK | calc: Riddell is at Fosdem this weekend. | 00:20 |
| ScottK | _Groo_: Are you using CDBS and kde4.mk? | 00:21 |
| _Groo_ | hi ScottK | 00:23 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK | 00:23 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: yes i am | 00:23 |
| _Groo_ | my rules file onlye have the kde4.mk inclide | 00:23 |
| _Groo_ | include | 00:23 |
| ScottK | Can you patstebin your .install file? | 00:24 |
| _Groo_ | sure just a sec | 00:24 |
| _Groo_ | http://pastebin.ca/1330369 | 00:26 |
| _Groo_ | most useful plasmoid ever :D | 00:27 |
| ScottK | And what error do you get? | 00:29 |
| _Groo_ | that it cant find usr/bin/* (or anything i put in the .install file) | 00:31 |
| _Groo_ | and he doesnt create the tmp dir, inlye the basket-kde4 one | 00:31 |
| _Groo_ | only* | 00:31 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: any ideas? | 00:32 |
| quassel17 | te | 00:33 |
| _Groo_ | dh_install: basket-kde4 missing files (usr/bin/*), aborting | 00:33 |
| === quassel17 is now known as jjesse-jaunty | ||
| ScottK | Not immediately. | 00:34 |
| ScottK | That seems to have worked in the packages I've done. | 00:34 |
| ScottK | I guess I'd look and see if there's any upstream build system tomfoollery you need to override. | 00:34 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: my rules file: http://pastebin.ca/1330375 | 00:35 |
| ScottK | Nope. No great ideas. Sorry. | 00:36 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: yes it tghe first time it doesnt work, i make koffice2, ktorrent-kde4, etc etc.. but this one is refusing the .install | 00:37 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: did you see the rules? | 00:39 |
| ScottK | I did. Didn't see anything wrong there. | 00:39 |
| ScottK | Maybe something in the CMakelists (but I've no idea what or how). | 00:39 |
| lex79 | ScottK: 4 new plasmoids are in revu :) | 00:40 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 00:41 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: ok, going to check that | 00:45 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: do you want the koffice beta6 diff? | 00:45 |
| ScottK | No. I don't really have time to review anything tonight. | 00:46 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: dont need to be tonight.. i can only contribute (aka be online for that) at weekends.. so i can send it to your mail, or just check my ppa | 00:46 |
| ScottK | Send it to Riddell or better yet attach the .diff.gz to a bug in Launchpad and subscribe him. | 00:48 |
| _Groo_ | ok | 00:48 |
| _Groo_ | gonna go now.. seeya all later.. thanks ScottK for your time | 00:49 |
| ScottK | See you later. Thanks for helping out. | 00:49 |
| lex79 | ScottK: if compat is 5, debhelper must be 5 ? | 00:56 |
| ScottK | Yes | 00:56 |
| ScottK | So, since we're stuck with PA, do we have all these Fedora patches? http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-will-not-drink-koolaide.html?showComment=1232288580000#c920616696340136807 | 00:57 |
| lex79 | I don't like pulseaudio | 01:01 |
| ScottK | I think we're past the like it/don't like it point here. It's been default in Ubuntu for two releases. | 01:06 |
| lex79 | You're right | 01:06 |
| ScottK | oooooooooooooooo-----------========]]]]]]]]] | 01:07 |
| ScottK | Oops. | 01:07 |
| ScottK | On issues like this I'm very much a pragmatisc. | 01:08 |
| === k4v is now known as m4v | ||
| vorian | Quintasan: sorry, about cut my finger off | 01:56 |
| ScottK | You OK? | 01:56 |
| vorian | yeah, | 01:56 |
| vorian | my finger bled for 45 minutes! | 01:57 |
| ScottK | Lovely. | 01:57 |
| vorian | silly me, i would lose my "totin'chip" | 01:58 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 01:59 |
| * ScottK has one of those. | 01:59 | |
| * vorian just lost a corner :( | 01:59 | |
| ScottK | I haven't heard that term in a very long time. | 01:59 |
| vorian | \o/ | 01:59 |
| vorian | I love drudging up olde stuff | 02:00 |
| ScottK | The year at Boy Scout summer camp that I got the Wood Carving merit badge I was the only one in my troop to do it without blood loss. | 02:01 |
| vorian | I always picked silly and impossible classes at camp | 02:03 |
| vorian | like: shooting, hiking, indain lore, | 02:03 |
| vorian | i can't think of any other ... I just know I was bored out of my skull, and realized half way throught there was no merit badge at the end (much more to do at home) | 02:04 |
| vorian | lex79: please set bugs to "confirmed" and unasign yourself when you are ready for sponsoring :) | 02:11 |
| lex79 | vorian: ok :) | 02:12 |
| ScottK | For me Boy Scouts ended up being an early example of me not being willing to put up with stupid crap regargless of the consequences. | 02:23 |
| ScottK | regarg/regard | 02:23 |
| ScottK | When I had everything done for Eagle Scout except getting the 'you've been a good citizen' sign off from my Scoutmaster, he told me I had to agree to be Patrol Leader for the group with all the troublemakers or he wouldn't sign. | 02:24 |
| ScottK | I was so angry I left and walked all the way home (several miles). | 02:24 |
| ScottK | I didn't go back. | 02:24 |
| ScottK | A year later I was at a scout meeting where my younger brother was being welcomed into the Boy Scouts | 02:25 |
| ScottK | The Scoutmaster indicated he was particularly glad to have my brother in the troop since his older brother was about to get his Eagle Scout. | 02:25 |
| ScottK | I took that as a hint that'd he'd given up. | 02:25 |
| ScottK | I went back and he signed it without a word being spoken. | 02:25 |
| lex79 | vorian: thanks for sponsor me | 03:36 |
| vorian | lex79: thanks for contributing :) | 03:37 |
| lex79 | vorian if you have time there are four plasmoid to review :) | 03:37 |
| lex79 | hihih | 03:38 |
| vorian | ohmy! | 03:38 |
| vorian | on revu? | 03:38 |
| lex79 | yeah | 03:38 |
| * vorian looks | 03:39 | |
| * vorian makes a note to make a plasmoid meta package | 03:41 | |
| lex79 | plasmoid meta package?? | 03:42 |
| lex79 | do you want make a meta packages that include all plasmoids? | 03:43 |
| vorian | apt-get install kubuntu-plasmoids | 03:43 |
| lex79 | excellent :) | 03:43 |
| vorian | it would pull in all 3rd party plasmoids | 03:43 |
| ScottK | vorian: I've been considering that too, although I'd call it kubuntu-universe-plasmoids as any in Main people will have already. | 03:44 |
| vorian | ScottK: good point | 03:44 |
| ScottK | If we don't disable install widgets from the internet, why package them? | 03:47 |
| ScottK | I'm wondering if we should disable that? | 03:47 |
| ScottK | Also I think we may be renaming all these things plasma-widgets-* | 03:48 |
| seele | ScottK: do you think it would be possible for quassel to check what the system user name was and try that instead of quassel1234? | 03:48 |
| ScottK | seele: Upstream has been asked about that and is looking into it. | 03:48 |
| seele | sweet | 03:48 |
| ScottK | I saw a commit hit yesterday for doing something like that in the OS X environment. | 03:48 |
| vorian | ScottK: the "get new widgets" are already in binary form | 03:49 |
| vorian | the ones we package have to be compiled | 03:49 |
| ScottK | vorian: I'm thinking package names. | 03:49 |
| vorian | hmmmm | 03:49 |
| ScottK | If the package is called plasmoid, most users are going to say WTF is that. | 03:49 |
| vorian | true | 03:50 |
| ScottK | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-widget-brother.html | 03:50 |
| ScottK | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/02/user-vs-technical-language-aka-more-on.html | 03:50 |
| ScottK | I'm more in the I don't care WTF we call it as long as Debian and us agree camp. | 03:51 |
| ScottK | (currently we don't). | 03:51 |
| vorian | ahh, fantastic | 03:51 |
| ScottK | I have this vague hope that Riddell ran into one of the Debian guys as FOSDEM and they sorted it out. | 03:52 |
| vorian | we have less then two weeks left, if we are going to do this, we should start soon (now) :P | 03:52 |
| ScottK | I can tell you from my own experience with non-technical users, widget is what they get. http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2008/10/kubuntu_intrepid_teenager_read.html | 03:53 |
| vorian | excellent point | 03:54 |
| ScottK | I'm also curious for dtchen's view on http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-will-not-drink-koolaide.html | 03:54 |
| ScottK | Since I know about zip about sound (except the one Windows guy on a project I worked on recently made fun of me because at least Skype worked for him) | 03:54 |
| ScottK | Skype worked fine for me before we switched to PA. | 03:55 |
| vorian | dtchen: (off topic) can i have a copy of your slides from OLF | 03:55 |
| vorian | please :) | 03:55 |
| vorian | i've never tried skype | 03:56 |
| ScottK | This project I was on had people working in 4 time zones from -0800 to +0200 and we had weekly status telcons via Skype. | 03:57 |
| ScottK | Before that, I hadn't either. | 03:57 |
| vorian | Oprah likes skype | 03:58 |
| vorian | hehe | 03:58 |
| vorian | Oprah likes skype™ | 03:58 |
| ScottK | Yeah, well Oprah probably voted from a different Presidential candidate than me too. | 03:59 |
| vorian | WHAAA | 03:59 |
| vorian | ☭ | 04:02 |
| vorian | oops | 04:02 |
| vorian | lex79: did you repack the plasmoid-simplemonitor tarball? | 04:04 |
| vorian | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .monitor.desktop~ | 04:05 |
| vorian | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .monitor.h~ | 04:05 |
| vorian | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .monitor.cpp~ | 04:05 |
| vorian | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .CMakeLists.txt~ | 04:05 |
| lex79 | I didn't | 04:05 |
| lex79 | uhm | 04:05 |
| vorian | the package looks good | 04:06 |
| vorian | except upstream needs to clean their tarball | 04:06 |
| lex79 | I send an email to upstream for this? | 04:06 |
| vorian | that would be wonderful :) | 04:07 |
| lex79 | I didn't repack, this is an upstream issue | 04:07 |
| lex79 | ok | 04:07 |
| vorian | lex79: while you are at it, can you expound on the long descripion? | 04:08 |
| lex79 | uhm this is a simple simple plasmoid :( | 04:09 |
| lex79 | This plasmoid shows the history of cpu usage and the disk cache memory | 04:09 |
| lex79 | and.... | 04:10 |
| vorian | how does it show it? | 04:10 |
| lex79 | http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=84933&file1=84933-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Simple+monitor | 04:10 |
| vorian | very interesting | 04:11 |
| lex79 | I can put "with graph" | 04:11 |
| vorian | yes? | 04:11 |
| vorian | that would be cool | 04:11 |
| vorian | can you change colors? | 04:11 |
| lex79 | a moment | 04:11 |
| lex79 | vorian: no | 04:11 |
| lex79 | it is very simple | 04:12 |
| lex79 | there isn't configuration, you can change only shortcut | 04:13 |
| vorian | loverly | 04:14 |
| vorian | ok | 04:14 |
| lex79 | go to bed :) | 04:37 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 14 - How are we doing -> Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | ||
| rgreening | fabo: ping | 07:16 |
| fabo | rgreening: pong | 09:11 |
| markey | heya | 09:40 |
| markey | anyone got a package for ChoqoK (for 8.10) ? | 09:40 |
| markey | it's some twitter/identica app | 09:40 |
| Riddell | markey: it's in intrepid-backports https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choqok | 09:41 |
| markey | thanks :) | 09:42 |
| markey | found | 09:43 |
| markey | ..and installed | 09:44 |
| * markey badly wants auto-mount back | 09:46 | |
| markey | sucks having to mount external HDDs manually | 09:46 |
| markey | one tends to forget about it | 09:46 |
| markey | and then amarok screws up, e.g. | 09:46 |
| markey | what is the problem with auto-mount again? | 09:46 |
| Riddell | I didn't know there was one | 09:51 |
| markey | wow, ChoqoK rocks :) | 09:51 |
| markey | really good stuff | 09:51 |
| markey | Riddell: ah sorry, I thought it was implemented at some point. at any rate, is it technically feasible? what's stopping it? | 09:53 |
| Riddell | markey: what's the problem? all plugin storage or just hard disks? | 09:54 |
| markey | Riddell: well e.g. external HDDs with music on them. you boot the computer, forget to mount it, start amarok -> BOOM | 10:00 |
| markey | also it's simply not very comfortable | 10:00 |
| markey | I don't see the point | 10:00 |
| markey | in the manual mounting | 10:00 |
| markey | it opens dolphin | 10:01 |
| markey | why? maybe I don't want dolphin | 10:01 |
| Riddell | oh so it should mount drvies at boot | 10:03 |
| Riddell | or when plugged in | 10:03 |
| Mamarok | exactly | 10:03 |
| Riddell | hmmm | 10:03 |
| Mamarok | is just a PITA when you restart and forget to mount | 10:03 |
| Mamarok | there was automount before in 8.04 | 10:04 |
| markey | both at boot, and when plugging in | 10:04 |
| Mamarok | like, CDs too, one has to mount it by hand | 10:05 |
| Riddell | this sounds like a question for hal policy | 10:05 |
| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| markey | maybe | 10:08 |
| markey | admittedly, I don't know much about HAL | 10:08 |
| markey | basically I'm just having a normal user perspective on that | 10:09 |
| markey | I would say | 10:09 |
| Riddell | yep | 10:09 |
| Riddell | i can ask our hal guy if i see him here at fosdem | 10:09 |
| markey | cool | 10:09 |
| Mamarok | anyway, one can not configure much in the current HAL GUI | 10:10 |
| Riddell | elsd probably something for ubuntu-devel mailing list | 10:10 |
| Mamarok | and some solid docu would be NTH | 10:11 |
| Riddell | kde docs need love generally | 10:12 |
| Mamarok | true, but I could not even help with solid and hal, never really understood how it's supposed to work | 10:13 |
| Mamarok | so some docu from the devs is needed first | 10:14 |
| Riddell | ~twitter update at fosdem in crossdesktop room | 10:21 |
| kubotu | status updated | 10:21 |
| markey | :) | 10:40 |
| markey | sadly, rbot does not yet support identi.ca | 10:41 |
| markey | but I think they're on it | 10:41 |
| Tm_T | ok, qt-copy is now qt 4.5rc1 | 10:57 |
| Quintasan | vorian: ping | 11:36 |
| fabo | rgreening: kdm crash with Qt 4.5 fixed in r922805 | 11:45 |
| === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde | ||
| Tm_T | fabo: rgreening: any packages from qt 4.5 yet? (;) | 11:59 |
| fabo | Tm_T: on ppa | 12:10 |
| Tm_T | in which ppa ? | 12:10 |
| fabo | Tm_T: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa | 12:11 |
| Tm_T | thanks | 12:12 |
| fabo | I'll suggest to use roderick's ppa. I'm not sure he'll merge all my changes for Ubuntu ;) | 12:12 |
| Tm_T | ouch, only jaunty... | 12:13 |
| fabo | hmm mine too. only for Jaunty. I didn't tried something else. | 12:14 |
| * Tm_T is partly in intrepid still | 12:15 | |
| Tm_T | oh well, maybe I compile myself | 12:15 |
| fabo | Tm_T: I guess if you dget from roderick's ppa and rebuild for intepid (or use PPA to build for intrepid), it should be fine. | 12:19 |
| Tm_T | fabo: I can build from qt-copy, if needed, have to wait until I get new pc | 12:26 |
| === quassel128 is now known as ulo | ||
| ulo | hi! does anyone run 9.04 successfully on amd64 with kdebase-*ubuntu4 packages? | 12:34 |
| ulo | it worked for me until two days ago when i upgraded those packages. since then i get segfaults in ksmserver and nepomukservices | 12:35 |
| ulo | like those: ksmserver[4882]: segfault at 140073010f ip 00007ff6f3bf8904 sp 00007ffffc03c528 error 4in libkdeinit4_ksmserver.so[7ff6f3be5000+38000] | 12:35 |
| ulo | and nepomukservices[4894] general protection ip:7f0f091ab7ae sp:7fff1179f970 error:0 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[7f0f09142000+230000] | 12:36 |
| neversfelde | ulo: probably bug 326344 ? | 12:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326344 in xorg-server "compiz/kwin freezes on login as of xorg-server 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344 | 12:38 |
| ulo | neversfelde: ah that looks quite matching yes. also got nvidia here and kwin+x11 use everything my two cores offer.. thanks | 12:40 |
| neversfelde | ulo: switch to nv, should work again then | 12:42 |
| ulo | neversfelde: will do that. thanks again! bye | 12:45 |
| calc | ScottK: ah ok, i'm in hamburg, didn't think i would do well with that little sleep ;-) ie berlin to brussells (friday night) to hamburg (sunday night) | 13:13 |
| Quintasan | I should add build-essential to control or its not needed? | 14:02 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: no needn't | 14:04 |
| Quintasan | freeflying: thanks | 14:05 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: welcome | 14:06 |
| Quintasan | Hmm, there is no package for monkeys audio codec. If I build I can submit it to REVU? | 14:09 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: no, this one has license issue | 14:09 |
| Quintasan | ok | 14:09 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: and the package maintained in debian-multimedia repo already | 14:10 |
| Quintasan | freeflying: not really, I've tried (amd64) and it wasn't there | 14:10 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: you sure? | 14:12 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-multimedia/pool/main/m/monkeys-audio/libmac2_3.99-u4-b5-0.0_amd64.deb | 14:12 |
| Quintasan | freeflying: maybe mt mirror was out of date | 14:12 |
| Quintasan | my* | 14:12 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: this package has not any upgrade for while | 14:13 |
| Quintasan | freeflying: thanks once more :) | 14:14 |
| freeflying | Quintasan: nope | 14:14 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing -> Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | ||
| ScottK | Got the FF date wrong last night ... | 14:15 |
| Quintasan | vorian: ping | 14:17 |
| Quintasan | kdebase4-workspace-devel is required to compile plasmoids? or I need libplasma-dev only? | 14:33 |
| a|wen | ScottK: in 8.04.2 (desktop-live) choosing the install option and then opening the release notes, after closing konqueror the installer is dead ... do we want to know if it is a regression before doing more about it? | 14:37 |
| ScottK-desktop | Yes we do. | 14:44 |
| a|wen | ScottK: do you have the time to test it? (if you have an "original" hardy cd) | 14:50 |
| Quintasan | grrr, what should I put in rules in clean section? It always throws an error no matter what I put there. I've tried rm <CMake files> | 14:57 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: isn't there some sort of cmake.mk in cdbs, that you could use ... i think it contains all the necessary clean rules for common cases | 15:35 |
| Quintasan | a|wen: I'm trying to build a plasmoid using debuild, I've added the cmake line to configure rule, debuild starts with clean so I was wondering what I'm doing wrong :D | 15:37 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: debuild always starts with a clean (it should do that) afaik | 15:38 |
| Quintasan | yep, I'm starting with a clean source. I've done nothing execpt dh_make | 15:39 |
| Quintasan | except* | 15:39 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: running clean on a clean source tree should be possible, so that is as it should be | 15:39 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: if the clean fails it is in most cases because you haven't installed (some of) the build-dependencies needed locally (eg. cdbs/cmake) | 15:41 |
| Quintasan | a|wen: Hmm I have all the required packages because I've built the package using: cmake, make and makeinstall and it worked | 15:42 |
| Quintasan | debuild tells me there are no rules to make object `clean` and throws Error 2 | 15:42 |
| a|wen | what does you debian/rules look like > pastebin | 15:43 |
| Quintasan | http://wklej.org/id/50308/ | 15:43 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: does the package use cmake? | 15:46 |
| Quintasan | a|wen: yes, it's a plasmoid | 15:46 |
| Quintasan | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Lastmoid?content=98117 | 15:46 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: instead of going through all the trouble yourself, just including /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk should get you a long way (and hopefully just minor adjustments) | 15:47 |
| Quintasan | a|wen: how do you include those? | 15:48 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk" ... but try downloading the source of one of the plasmoid-packages that already exist and look at the debian/rules from that one | 15:49 |
| Quintasan | a|wen: Thanks | 15:50 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: i can't remember if /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk works for plasmoids too ... might be that one you should use actually | 15:50 |
| mluser-home | What is the best music/media application that can sync with an ipod, amarok used to do this for me, but the new amarok does not seem to see my ipod | 15:56 |
| ScottK | kde4.mk works for plasmoids | 16:19 |
| ScottK | a|wen: I'll see what I can do about testing that (Hardy). I have a CD somewhere. | 16:19 |
| ScottK | mluser-home: Support questions in #kubuntu. You might also ask in #amarok about getting it working. | 16:20 |
| a|wen | ScottK: great (would take me 10+ hours to D/L ... so i'll rather get the alternate cd down for testing instead) | 16:20 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Agreed. That's much better. | 16:20 |
| mluser-home | ScottK: thanks | 16:20 |
| freeflying | ScottK: is ther any tools like pkg-kde-tools? | 16:20 |
| ScottK | freeflying: For what? | 16:21 |
| a|wen | ScottK: any 4.1.4 stuff turned up while i was away? or are we closing in on a possible copy to -updates... | 16:22 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Not as far as I know. I talked to pitti a bit about getting it copied last week, but he was tied up in the Canonical sprint. | 16:22 |
| freeflying | ScottK: for pakages relate to kde4 in kubuntu | 16:23 |
| a|wen | ScottK: sounds good ... oh, that is of course fair enough; we'll see about it a bit later then | 16:24 |
| ScottK | freeflying: Not that I know of. | 16:24 |
| freeflying | ScottK: pkg-kde-tools - common makesnippets and other build scripts for KDE4 related packages | 16:25 |
| ScottK | I'm aware of that one, but not any others. For all the KDE4 stuff I've done kde4.mk has done what I needed. | 16:25 |
| a|wen | we'll kde 4.2.1 be ready in time for going into updates, or will it possibly be a stock 4.2 we are releasing? | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen: we'll most likely release with KDE 4.2.2 | 16:37 |
| JontheEchidna | we pretty much have a standing FFe for KDE | 16:37 |
| ScottK | Based on our experience with 4.1, I think we should get official permission from the tech board for the post-release KDE updates. | 16:38 |
| a|wen | oh, that sounds good ... is there a release schedule for the 4.2.x releases out? (couldn't find any) | 16:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Generally they're released monthly | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | but when they get to .4 or so they're released less often because of increased focus on trunk | 16:39 |
| a|wen | so we'll hopefully have just around a month between 4.2.2 release and jaunty release, sounds reasonable | 16:40 |
| a|wen | ScottK: we plan to do the releases on the exact same way right? ... we just want to have an official agreement on it | 16:42 |
| ScottK | a|wen: That's my thought. | 16:42 |
| ScottK | We declare 4.1.x an 'experiment' that succeeded and then get official blessing to keep doing it. | 16:42 |
| a|wen | +1 for that | 16:43 |
| a|wen | do we have any aggregated status for all the projects we have work on prior to FF? | 16:59 |
| ScottK | No. | 17:00 |
| ScottK | With a week and a half to go it'd be good to have. | 17:00 |
| martijn81 | does anyone of you know how to fix this? http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2860&highlight= | 17:03 |
| a|wen | it would have been nice, yes ... seems scp-kde and kpackagekit is the big hurdles; how about the ubiquity porting? | 17:03 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 17:06 |
| ScottK | One of the big things I know we are still missing is a KDE4 k3b. | 17:07 |
| a|wen | ScottK: yeah, but the pretty much depends on upstream though | 17:07 |
| a|wen | s/the/that/1 | 17:07 |
| ScottK | That or someone getting inspired to help. | 17:08 |
| ScottK | At the very least we need to communicate issues. | 17:08 |
| ScottK | I've not followed it closely, so we may have done that. | 17:08 |
| a|wen | correct ... it seem to be a bit stucked? last update on the kde4 porting is 9 months old | 17:09 |
| a|wen | last commit is 2 weeks old though ... so that looks a bit more positive | 17:13 |
| a|wen | ScottK: but if it isn't ready, i'm of the impression that the current k3b is in a reasonable shape? ... i might be wrong, though | 17:19 |
| ScottK | It is, but our goal was no kde3 on the CD. | 17:19 |
| ScottK | That frees up a lot of space that we need for stuff like Akonadi. | 17:19 |
| JontheEchidna | does akonadi still take up a lot of space now that it doesn't bring in an entire sql server? | 17:20 |
| JontheEchidna | or is space just that tight? | 17:20 |
| a|wen | i see the point | 17:21 |
| a|wen | seems to be a lot of smaller bits in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis as well which might or might not be finished ... | 17:22 |
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| * a|wen thinks about making a status page for all the spec parts (and other bit needed before FF); any interest? ... but will need a lot of help to fill in the status of them | 17:34 | |
| rgreening | fabo: yeah, I'm going through your Qt build now and cleaning up mine to co-incide more closely. | 17:35 |
| rgreening | k3b kde4 works here. | 17:36 |
| rgreening | ScottK ^ | 17:36 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Then maybe we should just update to an svn snapshot. | 17:36 |
| ScottK | Maybe someone who's looked into it ought to discuss it with upstream? | 17:37 |
| rgreening | ScottK: seems reasonable. Tonio_ was supposedly working on packaging. | 17:37 |
| rgreening | If I can get Tonio_'s work thus far, I can clean it up if he has not the time. | 17:38 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: btw, I've just started working on making the dialog less messed up | 17:38 |
| ScottK | Hopefully he's home from FOSDEM soon and can tell you. | 17:38 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: cool. Im glad you had more succes in porting the remaining kde3 bits than I did. | 17:39 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks | 17:39 |
| rgreening | Getting this patch in would be great. | 17:39 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: If I can't get it working we should just go with your modified suse patch, since neither patch detects youtube/cnn | 17:39 |
| JontheEchidna | either way I think we'll have to put a link to kubuntu.org/getflash or something similar in the Konq start page | 17:40 |
| rgreening | Ya. | 17:42 |
| ScottK | Stand by to mass rename plasmoid-foo to plasma-widget-foo. | 18:30 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: in where? | 18:30 |
| ScottK | Package names | 18:30 |
| Tm_T | aah, roger | 18:30 |
| Tm_T | sounds good | 18:30 |
| a|wen | ScottK: found a bug about the release notes problem, so this seems to be known / no regression | 18:42 |
| Quintasan | a|wen: had some problems but it build with no errors, thanks :P | 19:07 |
| a|wen | cool :) | 19:11 |
| Quintasan | I finally build something other than hello :3 | 19:11 |
| Quintasan | built* | 19:12 |
| Tm_T | awww | 19:12 |
| * Tm_T huggles Quintasan son | 19:12 | |
| a|wen | Quintasan: welcome to the wonderful world of packaging :) | 19:13 |
| Quintasan | :D | 19:13 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Excellent. Then note the bug on the testing page and we're done. | 19:30 |
| a|wen | ScottK: i did that (together with another bug), and mentioned that neither of them we're regressions | 19:31 |
| a|wen | were* | 19:31 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Excellent. | 19:31 |
| a|wen | ScottK: the alternate cd (i386) is D/L'ing (~8h remaining), and i'll start testing that one over the next days ... but we miss some wine and 64-bit testing; i can do neither | 19:33 |
| ScottK | davmor2 (I think) said he'd do some testing once Alpha 4 was out, so maybe he can pick up 64 bit. | 19:34 |
| a|wen | that would be cool ... then we just need to find someone with windows; seems to be the hard part around here | 19:35 |
| rgreening | a|wen: good idea on the status update. Restricted install... both JontheEchidna and myself have been working on the konqueror part of this. we have a working implementation, but are looking to improve upon it. | 19:36 |
| rgreening | a|wen: Display Setup tool - was put on hold and will likely not make it into Jaunty (last I heard) | 19:37 |
| a|wen | rgreening: i'll begin on one ... any objections to calling it https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecsStatus ? | 19:37 |
| rgreening | sounds good to me | 19:37 |
| rgreening | nixternal: what's the status of spec " Front Page of Konqueror? | 19:38 |
| Quintasan | I have Window 7, what needs to be tested? | 19:39 |
| rgreening | a|wen: Firwall was put on hold in favor of getting Qt4.5.0 working. It may still make it in, but it is not critical. | 19:39 |
| rgreening | a|wen: guest account patch - no work (to my knowledge) has started on that one. | 19:40 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: see the topic ... you need to grab the 8.04.2 desktop-live testing cd and test a kubuntu install using wine | 19:41 |
| a|wen | rgreening: thx, i'll start by making the list, and filling in as much as possible | 19:41 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Don't you mean wubi? | 19:42 |
| a|wen | ScottK: yes of course ... Quintasan listen to ScottK ^^ | 19:44 |
| Quintasan | Okay, I will do it tomorrow after school :) | 19:46 |
| a|wen | Quintasan: thx a lot ... and report back on the first link :) | 19:56 |
| a|wen | ScottK, rgreening: apart from k3b do we have any other kde4 portings we "need"/are waiting for? | 20:12 |
| ScottK | Ubiquity? | 20:12 |
| a|wen | got that one, and userconfig on the list | 20:15 |
| a|wen | is everything about having powerdevil as default finished? | 20:16 |
| a|wen | ScottK, rgreening: please fill in the status / assignee of those you know: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecsStatus | 20:18 |
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| rgreening | a|wen: ty. | 20:19 |
| ScottK | a|wen: I think it needed some kind of widget for the taskbar. Dunno if that is done or not. | 20:19 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Plasmoid-network-manager needs to be on the list | 20:20 |
| ScottK | Also get a KDE4 IRC client (can be marked done) | 20:21 |
| rgreening | a|wen: IRC (Quassel) should be there too | 20:21 |
| rgreening | ya | 20:21 |
| a|wen | ScottK: it integrates with the battery plasmoid ... so we just need to have it as default in the panel i think? (that's how i use it now) | 20:21 |
| a|wen | rgreening, ScottK: i'll add the two | 20:21 |
| ScottK | a|wen: Great. We need that in the default setup then. Is the battery widget in Main? | 20:21 |
| rgreening | a|wen: yes, we need it auto added to panel (IMO) | 20:21 |
| a|wen | isn't the battery plasmoid part of some default kde package? | 20:22 |
| ScottK | Dunno | 20:23 |
| JontheEchidna | a|wen: maybe we should merge your page with this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | 20:26 |
| a|wen | JontheEchidna: yeah, we probably need to | 20:28 |
| rgreening | on simply link from the ToDO | 20:29 |
| rgreening | as this is really specific to Jaunty and not Kubuntu in general. | 20:29 |
| rgreening | only thinking out loud.. | 20:30 |
| JontheEchidna | that page is used to track series-specific todos | 20:30 |
| rgreening | It's all intrepid atm | 20:31 |
| a|wen | i'll be willing to move it, if that is the consensus? | 20:32 |
| rgreening | doesn't matter to me | 20:33 |
| martijn81 | is kpackagekit to be included in Jaunty? | 20:43 |
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| rgreening | martijn81: its the plan | 20:45 |
| martijn81 | would it be the default? | 20:46 |
| rgreening | yes | 20:46 |
| rgreening | adapt will be cut | 20:46 |
| jjesse_ | rgreening: do you know when that will happen? or did that happen on the last alpha? | 20:47 |
| rgreening | jjesse: not sure if it's done yet. I thin we are waiting on MIR | 20:47 |
| a|wen | rgreening: the MIR hasn't been approved finally (waits for an upstream issue afaik) | 20:49 |
| rgreening | thanks a|wen. | 20:50 |
| Lure | rgreening, ScottK: I think k3b package from Tonio_ is on revu | 20:52 |
| Lure | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/k3b | 20:52 |
| * jussi01 wonders if theres an intrepid version of kpackagekit to try... | 20:53 | |
| rgreening | jussi01: I don't think so (yet) | 20:53 |
| jussi01 | :( | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | Lure, rgreening, ScottK: just so I mentioned it: I am not sure we should replace k3b KDE 3 right away .... not without conducting loads of testing beforehand anyway | 20:54 |
| Lure | apachelogger: agreed - last time it did not work for me at all | 20:54 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: hmmm, any issues seen with it yet? | 20:54 |
| Tm_T | works mostly fine here | 20:54 |
| Lure | apachelogger: we need ppa with test packages, then we can get wider testing | 20:54 |
| apachelogger | aye | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: it did for you, it didn't for Lure ... that is IMHO very good indicationg that it needs more testing ;-) | 20:55 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I am running k3b kde4 and have no issues with it | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | also testing from more people | 20:55 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: aye, mostly, as I said, there's crashes | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | on different hardware | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | etc. | 20:55 |
| Lure | and we need one package that we all try | 20:55 |
| Lure | currently we have reports from various tries with different setups (kde 4.2, kde-trunk, tonio's packages...) | 20:56 |
| rgreening | I agree. We need a PPA to install/test it from. | 20:58 |
| rgreening | get common results. | 20:58 |
| a|wen | who is the packaging master for that one? Tonio? | 20:58 |
| rgreening | yus | 20:58 |
| rgreening | he's at FOSDEM | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | hm, that dood on the list talking about "we", "we" is an unknown method or variable, is awesome :D | 20:59 |
| a|wen | rgreening: but afterwards we need to have them online at his (or another personal) ppa ... and if we think it is good enough put it in kubuntu-experimental, to get it shaken a lot | 21:00 |
| apachelogger | time for bed | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | cya | 21:01 |
| a|wen | night apachelogger | 21:01 |
| a|wen | ScottK: please find your 8.04.0 cd in any case ... if you can test oem install; choose english as the language, and also choose english when prompted by oem-config; does this fail for you? | 21:24 |
| ScottK | Will do. I know there's a current Kubuntu oem-config bug. I wonder if it goes that far back? | 21:25 |
| a|wen | not impossible ... it doesn't work for english+english, but english+german works fine | 21:29 |
| a|wen | ScottK: i tried downgrading oem-config to the one shipped in hardy, but that didn't change anything | 21:30 |
| ScottK | I have a box I can try that on, probably later tonight. | 21:30 |
| ScottK | OK. | 21:30 |
| a|wen | perfect | 21:31 |
| ghostcube | ScottK, is it possible to patch the plasma cashew in the same way opensuse does it so its removable :) | 21:34 |
| a|wen | and it seriously need giving some feedback while it works (unless that is already changed) | 21:34 |
| ghostcube | the guys in plasma told me about that | 21:34 |
| ScottK | ghostcube: There's a widget floating around to remove it. Rather than patch the core system, I think it'd be better for someone to package that so people who want to remove it can do it. | 21:36 |
| ghostcube | yeah i showed it up in here but do you think this is better ? | 21:36 |
| ghostcube | i didnt look what opensuse do till now maybe i can get the changes this cant be much | 21:37 |
| ghostcube | its only tun on off : | 21:37 |
| ScottK | ghostcube: Any deviation from upstream represents a risk of sorts. If a problem can be solved without patching the core system, that's almost always better. | 21:38 |
| ghostcube | ScottK, hmm sure | 21:47 |
| a|wen | goodnight people | 21:49 |
| ghostcube | n8 | 21:54 |
| jussi01 | are there still issues with triple head setups anyone know? | 22:28 |
| rgreening | fabo: ping | 23:36 |
| rgreening | fabo: can you look at the FTBFS log of kdebindings in my PPA and this kde bug? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177842 | 23:42 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 177842 in general "smoke is incompatible with Qt 4 5 snapshots" [Normal,New] | 23:42 |
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| rgreening | Riddell: KDE 4.2.0 has been stable here with Qt 4.5.0 RC1. Only issue left is a build problem for kdebindings (see bug above). Not sure if its a KDE or Qt issue. Once a fix for that is found, I can rebuild bindings. If that works, we should be able to upload Qt 4.5.0 and rebuild KDE 4.2.0 against it successfully. | 23:54 |
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