[00:04] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [00:05] <_Groo_> can anyone help me out, im having a bad deb package day :D [00:06] <_Groo_> its a real simple question, the debhelper isnt honoring the debian/tmp dir.. it creates the package dir (in this case basket-kde4) but cant follow my basket-kde4.install [00:09] <_Groo_> anyone? [00:11] <_Groo_> i also finished the backport for intrepid of koffice2 beta6.. if anyone wants the diffs... [00:20] calc: Riddell is at Fosdem this weekend. [00:21] _Groo_: Are you using CDBS and kde4.mk? [00:23] <_Groo_> hi ScottK [00:23] <_Groo_> ScottK [00:23] <_Groo_> ScottK: yes i am [00:23] <_Groo_> my rules file onlye have the kde4.mk inclide [00:23] <_Groo_> include [00:24] Can you patstebin your .install file? [00:24] <_Groo_> sure just a sec [00:26] <_Groo_> http://pastebin.ca/1330369 [00:27] <_Groo_> most useful plasmoid ever :D [00:29] And what error do you get? [00:31] <_Groo_> that it cant find usr/bin/* (or anything i put in the .install file) [00:31] <_Groo_> and he doesnt create the tmp dir, inlye the basket-kde4 one [00:31] <_Groo_> only* [00:32] <_Groo_> ScottK: any ideas? [00:33] te [00:33] <_Groo_> dh_install: basket-kde4 missing files (usr/bin/*), aborting === quassel17 is now known as jjesse-jaunty [00:34] Not immediately. [00:34] That seems to have worked in the packages I've done. [00:34] I guess I'd look and see if there's any upstream build system tomfoollery you need to override. [00:35] <_Groo_> ScottK: my rules file: http://pastebin.ca/1330375 [00:36] Nope. No great ideas. Sorry. [00:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: yes it tghe first time it doesnt work, i make koffice2, ktorrent-kde4, etc etc.. but this one is refusing the .install [00:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: did you see the rules? [00:39] I did. Didn't see anything wrong there. [00:39] Maybe something in the CMakelists (but I've no idea what or how). [00:40] ScottK: 4 new plasmoids are in revu :) [00:41] Excellent. [00:45] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok, going to check that [00:45] <_Groo_> ScottK: do you want the koffice beta6 diff? [00:46] No. I don't really have time to review anything tonight. [00:46] <_Groo_> ScottK: dont need to be tonight.. i can only contribute (aka be online for that) at weekends.. so i can send it to your mail, or just check my ppa [00:48] Send it to Riddell or better yet attach the .diff.gz to a bug in Launchpad and subscribe him. [00:48] <_Groo_> ok [00:49] <_Groo_> gonna go now.. seeya all later.. thanks ScottK for your time [00:49] See you later. Thanks for helping out. [00:56] ScottK: if compat is 5, debhelper must be 5 ? [00:56] Yes [00:57] So, since we're stuck with PA, do we have all these Fedora patches? http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-will-not-drink-koolaide.html?showComment=1232288580000#c920616696340136807 [01:01] I don't like pulseaudio [01:06] I think we're past the like it/don't like it point here. It's been default in Ubuntu for two releases. [01:06] You're right [01:07] oooooooooooooooo-----------========]]]]]]]]] [01:07] Oops. [01:08] On issues like this I'm very much a pragmatisc. === k4v is now known as m4v [01:56] Quintasan: sorry, about cut my finger off [01:56] You OK? [01:56] yeah, [01:57] my finger bled for 45 minutes! [01:57] Lovely. [01:58] silly me, i would lose my "totin'chip" [01:59] ;-) [01:59] * ScottK has one of those. [01:59] * vorian just lost a corner :( [01:59] I haven't heard that term in a very long time. [01:59] \o/ [02:00] I love drudging up olde stuff [02:01] The year at Boy Scout summer camp that I got the Wood Carving merit badge I was the only one in my troop to do it without blood loss. [02:03] I always picked silly and impossible classes at camp [02:03] like: shooting, hiking, indain lore, [02:04] i can't think of any other ... I just know I was bored out of my skull, and realized half way throught there was no merit badge at the end (much more to do at home) [02:11] lex79: please set bugs to "confirmed" and unasign yourself when you are ready for sponsoring :) [02:12] vorian: ok :) [02:23] For me Boy Scouts ended up being an early example of me not being willing to put up with stupid crap regargless of the consequences. [02:23] regarg/regard [02:24] When I had everything done for Eagle Scout except getting the 'you've been a good citizen' sign off from my Scoutmaster, he told me I had to agree to be Patrol Leader for the group with all the troublemakers or he wouldn't sign. [02:24] I was so angry I left and walked all the way home (several miles). [02:24] I didn't go back. [02:25] A year later I was at a scout meeting where my younger brother was being welcomed into the Boy Scouts [02:25] The Scoutmaster indicated he was particularly glad to have my brother in the troop since his older brother was about to get his Eagle Scout. [02:25] I took that as a hint that'd he'd given up. [02:25] I went back and he signed it without a word being spoken. [03:36] vorian: thanks for sponsor me [03:37] lex79: thanks for contributing :) [03:37] vorian if you have time there are four plasmoid to review :) [03:38] hihih [03:38] ohmy! [03:38] on revu? [03:38] yeah [03:39] * vorian looks [03:41] * vorian makes a note to make a plasmoid meta package [03:42] plasmoid meta package?? [03:43] do you want make a meta packages that include all plasmoids? [03:43] apt-get install kubuntu-plasmoids [03:43] excellent :) [03:43] it would pull in all 3rd party plasmoids [03:44] vorian: I've been considering that too, although I'd call it kubuntu-universe-plasmoids as any in Main people will have already. [03:44] ScottK: good point [03:47] If we don't disable install widgets from the internet, why package them? [03:47] I'm wondering if we should disable that? [03:48] Also I think we may be renaming all these things plasma-widgets-* [03:48] ScottK: do you think it would be possible for quassel to check what the system user name was and try that instead of quassel1234? [03:48] seele: Upstream has been asked about that and is looking into it. [03:48] sweet [03:48] I saw a commit hit yesterday for doing something like that in the OS X environment. [03:49] ScottK: the "get new widgets" are already in binary form [03:49] the ones we package have to be compiled [03:49] vorian: I'm thinking package names. [03:49] hmmmm [03:49] If the package is called plasmoid, most users are going to say WTF is that. [03:50] true [03:50] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-widget-brother.html [03:50] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/02/user-vs-technical-language-aka-more-on.html [03:51] I'm more in the I don't care WTF we call it as long as Debian and us agree camp. [03:51] (currently we don't). [03:51] ahh, fantastic [03:52] I have this vague hope that Riddell ran into one of the Debian guys as FOSDEM and they sorted it out. [03:52] we have less then two weeks left, if we are going to do this, we should start soon (now) :P [03:53] I can tell you from my own experience with non-technical users, widget is what they get. http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2008/10/kubuntu_intrepid_teenager_read.html [03:54] excellent point [03:54] I'm also curious for dtchen's view on http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-will-not-drink-koolaide.html [03:54] Since I know about zip about sound (except the one Windows guy on a project I worked on recently made fun of me because at least Skype worked for him) [03:55] Skype worked fine for me before we switched to PA. [03:55] dtchen: (off topic) can i have a copy of your slides from OLF [03:55] please :) [03:56] i've never tried skype [03:57] This project I was on had people working in 4 time zones from -0800 to +0200 and we had weekly status telcons via Skype. [03:57] Before that, I hadn't either. [03:58] Oprah likes skype [03:58] hehe [03:58] Oprah likes skype™ [03:59] Yeah, well Oprah probably voted from a different Presidential candidate than me too. [03:59] WHAAA [04:02] ☭ [04:02] oops [04:04] lex79: did you repack the plasmoid-simplemonitor tarball? [04:05] dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .monitor.desktop~ [04:05] dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .monitor.h~ [04:05] dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .monitor.cpp~ [04:05] dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file .CMakeLists.txt~ [04:05] I didn't [04:05] uhm [04:06] the package looks good [04:06] except upstream needs to clean their tarball [04:06] I send an email to upstream for this? [04:07] that would be wonderful :) [04:07] I didn't repack, this is an upstream issue [04:07] ok [04:08] lex79: while you are at it, can you expound on the long descripion? [04:09] uhm this is a simple simple plasmoid :( [04:09] This plasmoid shows the history of cpu usage and the disk cache memory [04:10] and.... [04:10] how does it show it? [04:10] http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=84933&file1=84933-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Simple+monitor [04:11] very interesting [04:11] I can put "with graph" [04:11] yes? [04:11] that would be cool [04:11] can you change colors? [04:11] a moment [04:11] vorian: no [04:12] it is very simple [04:13] there isn't configuration, you can change only shortcut [04:14] loverly [04:14] ok [04:37] go to bed :) === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 14 - How are we doing -> Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs [07:16] fabo: ping [09:11] rgreening: pong [09:40] heya [09:40] anyone got a package for ChoqoK (for 8.10) ? [09:40] it's some twitter/identica app [09:41] markey: it's in intrepid-backports https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choqok [09:42] thanks :) [09:43] found [09:44] ..and installed [09:46] * markey badly wants auto-mount back [09:46] sucks having to mount external HDDs manually [09:46] one tends to forget about it [09:46] and then amarok screws up, e.g. [09:46] what is the problem with auto-mount again? [09:51] I didn't know there was one [09:51] wow, ChoqoK rocks :) [09:51] really good stuff [09:53] Riddell: ah sorry, I thought it was implemented at some point. at any rate, is it technically feasible? what's stopping it? [09:54] markey: what's the problem? all plugin storage or just hard disks? [10:00] Riddell: well e.g. external HDDs with music on them. you boot the computer, forget to mount it, start amarok -> BOOM [10:00] also it's simply not very comfortable [10:00] I don't see the point [10:00] in the manual mounting [10:01] it opens dolphin [10:01] why? maybe I don't want dolphin [10:03] oh so it should mount drvies at boot [10:03] or when plugged in [10:03] exactly [10:03] hmmm [10:03] is just a PITA when you restart and forget to mount [10:04] there was automount before in 8.04 [10:04] both at boot, and when plugging in [10:05] like, CDs too, one has to mount it by hand [10:05] this sounds like a question for hal policy === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [10:08] maybe [10:08] admittedly, I don't know much about HAL [10:09] basically I'm just having a normal user perspective on that [10:09] I would say [10:09] yep [10:09] i can ask our hal guy if i see him here at fosdem [10:09] cool [10:10] anyway, one can not configure much in the current HAL GUI [10:10] elsd probably something for ubuntu-devel mailing list [10:11] and some solid docu would be NTH [10:12] kde docs need love generally [10:13] true, but I could not even help with solid and hal, never really understood how it's supposed to work [10:14] so some docu from the devs is needed first [10:21] ~twitter update at fosdem in crossdesktop room [10:21] status updated [10:40] :) [10:41] sadly, rbot does not yet support identi.ca [10:41] but I think they're on it [10:57] ok, qt-copy is now qt 4.5rc1 [11:36] vorian: ping [11:45] rgreening: kdm crash with Qt 4.5 fixed in r922805 === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [11:59] fabo: rgreening: any packages from qt 4.5 yet? (;) [12:10] Tm_T: on ppa [12:10] in which ppa ? [12:11] Tm_T: https://launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa [12:12] thanks [12:12] I'll suggest to use roderick's ppa. I'm not sure he'll merge all my changes for Ubuntu ;) [12:13] ouch, only jaunty... [12:14] hmm mine too. only for Jaunty. I didn't tried something else. [12:15] * Tm_T is partly in intrepid still [12:15] oh well, maybe I compile myself [12:19] Tm_T: I guess if you dget from roderick's ppa and rebuild for intepid (or use PPA to build for intrepid), it should be fine. [12:26] fabo: I can build from qt-copy, if needed, have to wait until I get new pc === quassel128 is now known as ulo [12:34] hi! does anyone run 9.04 successfully on amd64 with kdebase-*ubuntu4 packages? [12:35] it worked for me until two days ago when i upgraded those packages. since then i get segfaults in ksmserver and nepomukservices [12:35] like those: ksmserver[4882]: segfault at 140073010f ip 00007ff6f3bf8904 sp 00007ffffc03c528 error 4in libkdeinit4_ksmserver.so[7ff6f3be5000+38000] [12:36] and nepomukservices[4894] general protection ip:7f0f091ab7ae sp:7fff1179f970 error:0 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[7f0f09142000+230000] [12:38] ulo: probably bug 326344 ? [12:38] Launchpad bug 326344 in xorg-server "compiz/kwin freezes on login as of xorg-server 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344 [12:40] neversfelde: ah that looks quite matching yes. also got nvidia here and kwin+x11 use everything my two cores offer.. thanks [12:42] ulo: switch to nv, should work again then [12:45] neversfelde: will do that. thanks again! bye [13:13] ScottK: ah ok, i'm in hamburg, didn't think i would do well with that little sleep ;-) ie berlin to brussells (friday night) to hamburg (sunday night) [14:02] I should add build-essential to control or its not needed? [14:04] Quintasan: no needn't [14:05] freeflying: thanks [14:06] Quintasan: welcome [14:09] Hmm, there is no package for monkeys audio codec. If I build I can submit it to REVU? [14:09] Quintasan: no, this one has license issue [14:09] ok [14:10] Quintasan: and the package maintained in debian-multimedia repo already [14:10] freeflying: not really, I've tried (amd64) and it wasn't there [14:12] Quintasan: you sure? [14:12] Quintasan: http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-multimedia/pool/main/m/monkeys-audio/libmac2_3.99-u4-b5-0.0_amd64.deb [14:12] freeflying: maybe mt mirror was out of date [14:12] my* [14:13] Quintasan: this package has not any upgrade for while [14:14] freeflying: thanks once more :) [14:14] Quintasan: nope === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing -> Specs! http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs [14:15] Got the FF date wrong last night ... [14:17] vorian: ping [14:33] kdebase4-workspace-devel is required to compile plasmoids? or I need libplasma-dev only? [14:37] ScottK: in 8.04.2 (desktop-live) choosing the install option and then opening the release notes, after closing konqueror the installer is dead ... do we want to know if it is a regression before doing more about it? [14:44] Yes we do. [14:50] ScottK: do you have the time to test it? (if you have an "original" hardy cd) [14:57] grrr, what should I put in rules in clean section? It always throws an error no matter what I put there. I've tried rm [15:35] Quintasan: isn't there some sort of cmake.mk in cdbs, that you could use ... i think it contains all the necessary clean rules for common cases [15:37] a|wen: I'm trying to build a plasmoid using debuild, I've added the cmake line to configure rule, debuild starts with clean so I was wondering what I'm doing wrong :D [15:38] Quintasan: debuild always starts with a clean (it should do that) afaik [15:39] yep, I'm starting with a clean source. I've done nothing execpt dh_make [15:39] except* [15:39] Quintasan: running clean on a clean source tree should be possible, so that is as it should be [15:41] Quintasan: if the clean fails it is in most cases because you haven't installed (some of) the build-dependencies needed locally (eg. cdbs/cmake) [15:42] a|wen: Hmm I have all the required packages because I've built the package using: cmake, make and makeinstall and it worked [15:42] debuild tells me there are no rules to make object `clean` and throws Error 2 [15:43] what does you debian/rules look like > pastebin [15:43] http://wklej.org/id/50308/ [15:46] Quintasan: does the package use cmake? [15:46] a|wen: yes, it's a plasmoid [15:46] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Lastmoid?content=98117 [15:47] Quintasan: instead of going through all the trouble yourself, just including /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk should get you a long way (and hopefully just minor adjustments) [15:48] a|wen: how do you include those? [15:49] Quintasan: "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/cmake.mk" ... but try downloading the source of one of the plasmoid-packages that already exist and look at the debian/rules from that one [15:50] a|wen: Thanks [15:50] Quintasan: i can't remember if /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk works for plasmoids too ... might be that one you should use actually [15:56] What is the best music/media application that can sync with an ipod, amarok used to do this for me, but the new amarok does not seem to see my ipod [16:19] kde4.mk works for plasmoids [16:19] a|wen: I'll see what I can do about testing that (Hardy). I have a CD somewhere. [16:20] mluser-home: Support questions in #kubuntu. You might also ask in #amarok about getting it working. [16:20] ScottK: great (would take me 10+ hours to D/L ... so i'll rather get the alternate cd down for testing instead) [16:20] a|wen: Agreed. That's much better. [16:20] ScottK: thanks [16:20] ScottK: is ther any tools like pkg-kde-tools? [16:21] freeflying: For what? [16:22] ScottK: any 4.1.4 stuff turned up while i was away? or are we closing in on a possible copy to -updates... [16:22] a|wen: Not as far as I know. I talked to pitti a bit about getting it copied last week, but he was tied up in the Canonical sprint. [16:23] ScottK: for pakages relate to kde4 in kubuntu [16:24] ScottK: sounds good ... oh, that is of course fair enough; we'll see about it a bit later then [16:24] freeflying: Not that I know of. [16:25] ScottK: pkg-kde-tools - common makesnippets and other build scripts for KDE4 related packages [16:25] I'm aware of that one, but not any others. For all the KDE4 stuff I've done kde4.mk has done what I needed. [16:29] we'll kde 4.2.1 be ready in time for going into updates, or will it possibly be a stock 4.2 we are releasing? [16:37] a|wen: we'll most likely release with KDE 4.2.2 [16:37] we pretty much have a standing FFe for KDE [16:38] Based on our experience with 4.1, I think we should get official permission from the tech board for the post-release KDE updates. [16:38] oh, that sounds good ... is there a release schedule for the 4.2.x releases out? (couldn't find any) [16:39] Generally they're released monthly [16:39] but when they get to .4 or so they're released less often because of increased focus on trunk [16:40] so we'll hopefully have just around a month between 4.2.2 release and jaunty release, sounds reasonable [16:42] ScottK: we plan to do the releases on the exact same way right? ... we just want to have an official agreement on it [16:42] a|wen: That's my thought. [16:42] We declare 4.1.x an 'experiment' that succeeded and then get official blessing to keep doing it. [16:43] +1 for that [16:59] do we have any aggregated status for all the projects we have work on prior to FF? [17:00] No. [17:00] With a week and a half to go it'd be good to have. [17:03] does anyone of you know how to fix this? http://ktorrent.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2860&highlight= [17:03] it would have been nice, yes ... seems scp-kde and kpackagekit is the big hurdles; how about the ubiquity porting? [17:06] Dunno. [17:07] One of the big things I know we are still missing is a KDE4 k3b. [17:07] ScottK: yeah, but the pretty much depends on upstream though [17:07] s/the/that/1 [17:08] That or someone getting inspired to help. [17:08] At the very least we need to communicate issues. [17:08] I've not followed it closely, so we may have done that. [17:09] correct ... it seem to be a bit stucked? last update on the kde4 porting is 9 months old [17:13] last commit is 2 weeks old though ... so that looks a bit more positive [17:19] ScottK: but if it isn't ready, i'm of the impression that the current k3b is in a reasonable shape? ... i might be wrong, though [17:19] It is, but our goal was no kde3 on the CD. [17:19] That frees up a lot of space that we need for stuff like Akonadi. [17:20] does akonadi still take up a lot of space now that it doesn't bring in an entire sql server? [17:20] or is space just that tight? [17:21] i see the point [17:22] seems to be a lot of smaller bits in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis as well which might or might not be finished ... === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [17:34] * a|wen thinks about making a status page for all the spec parts (and other bit needed before FF); any interest? ... but will need a lot of help to fill in the status of them [17:35] fabo: yeah, I'm going through your Qt build now and cleaning up mine to co-incide more closely. [17:36] k3b kde4 works here. [17:36] ScottK ^ [17:36] rgreening: Then maybe we should just update to an svn snapshot. [17:37] Maybe someone who's looked into it ought to discuss it with upstream? [17:37] ScottK: seems reasonable. Tonio_ was supposedly working on packaging. [17:38] If I can get Tonio_'s work thus far, I can clean it up if he has not the time. [17:38] rgreening: btw, I've just started working on making the dialog less messed up [17:38] Hopefully he's home from FOSDEM soon and can tell you. [17:39] JontheEchidna: cool. Im glad you had more succes in porting the remaining kde3 bits than I did. [17:39] thanks [17:39] Getting this patch in would be great. [17:39] rgreening: If I can't get it working we should just go with your modified suse patch, since neither patch detects youtube/cnn [17:40] either way I think we'll have to put a link to kubuntu.org/getflash or something similar in the Konq start page [17:42] Ya. [18:30] Stand by to mass rename plasmoid-foo to plasma-widget-foo. [18:30] ScottK: in where? [18:30] Package names [18:30] aah, roger [18:30] sounds good [18:42] ScottK: found a bug about the release notes problem, so this seems to be known / no regression [19:07] a|wen: had some problems but it build with no errors, thanks :P [19:11] cool :) [19:11] I finally build something other than hello :3 [19:12] built* [19:12] awww [19:12] * Tm_T huggles Quintasan son [19:13] Quintasan: welcome to the wonderful world of packaging :) [19:13] :D [19:30] a|wen: Excellent. Then note the bug on the testing page and we're done. [19:31] ScottK: i did that (together with another bug), and mentioned that neither of them we're regressions [19:31] were* [19:31] a|wen: Excellent. [19:33] ScottK: the alternate cd (i386) is D/L'ing (~8h remaining), and i'll start testing that one over the next days ... but we miss some wine and 64-bit testing; i can do neither [19:34] davmor2 (I think) said he'd do some testing once Alpha 4 was out, so maybe he can pick up 64 bit. [19:35] that would be cool ... then we just need to find someone with windows; seems to be the hard part around here [19:36] a|wen: good idea on the status update. Restricted install... both JontheEchidna and myself have been working on the konqueror part of this. we have a working implementation, but are looking to improve upon it. [19:37] a|wen: Display Setup tool - was put on hold and will likely not make it into Jaunty (last I heard) [19:37] rgreening: i'll begin on one ... any objections to calling it https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecsStatus ? [19:37] sounds good to me [19:38] nixternal: what's the status of spec " Front Page of Konqueror? [19:39] I have Window 7, what needs to be tested? [19:39] a|wen: Firwall was put on hold in favor of getting Qt4.5.0 working. It may still make it in, but it is not critical. [19:40] a|wen: guest account patch - no work (to my knowledge) has started on that one. [19:41] Quintasan: see the topic ... you need to grab the 8.04.2 desktop-live testing cd and test a kubuntu install using wine [19:41] rgreening: thx, i'll start by making the list, and filling in as much as possible [19:42] a|wen: Don't you mean wubi? [19:44] ScottK: yes of course ... Quintasan listen to ScottK ^^ [19:46] Okay, I will do it tomorrow after school :) [19:56] Quintasan: thx a lot ... and report back on the first link :) [20:12] ScottK, rgreening: apart from k3b do we have any other kde4 portings we "need"/are waiting for? [20:12] Ubiquity? [20:15] got that one, and userconfig on the list [20:16] is everything about having powerdevil as default finished? [20:18] ScottK, rgreening: please fill in the status / assignee of those you know: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecsStatus === a|wen changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing? -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecsStatus [20:19] a|wen: ty. [20:19] a|wen: I think it needed some kind of widget for the taskbar. Dunno if that is done or not. [20:20] a|wen: Plasmoid-network-manager needs to be on the list [20:21] Also get a KDE4 IRC client (can be marked done) [20:21] a|wen: IRC (Quassel) should be there too [20:21] ya [20:21] ScottK: it integrates with the battery plasmoid ... so we just need to have it as default in the panel i think? (that's how i use it now) [20:21] rgreening, ScottK: i'll add the two [20:21] a|wen: Great. We need that in the default setup then. Is the battery widget in Main? [20:21] a|wen: yes, we need it auto added to panel (IMO) [20:22] isn't the battery plasmoid part of some default kde package? [20:23] Dunno [20:26] a|wen: maybe we should merge your page with this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [20:28] JontheEchidna: yeah, we probably need to [20:29] on simply link from the ToDO [20:29] as this is really specific to Jaunty and not Kubuntu in general. [20:30] only thinking out loud.. [20:30] that page is used to track series-specific todos [20:31] It's all intrepid atm [20:32] i'll be willing to move it, if that is the consensus? [20:33] doesn't matter to me [20:43] is kpackagekit to be included in Jaunty? === quassel17 is now known as jjesse-jaunty [20:45] martijn81: its the plan [20:46] would it be the default? [20:46] yes [20:46] adapt will be cut [20:47] rgreening: do you know when that will happen? or did that happen on the last alpha? [20:47] jjesse: not sure if it's done yet. I thin we are waiting on MIR [20:49] rgreening: the MIR hasn't been approved finally (waits for an upstream issue afaik) [20:50] thanks a|wen. [20:52] rgreening, ScottK: I think k3b package from Tonio_ is on revu [20:52] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/k3b [20:53] * jussi01 wonders if theres an intrepid version of kpackagekit to try... [20:53] jussi01: I don't think so (yet) [20:53] :( [20:54] Lure, rgreening, ScottK: just so I mentioned it: I am not sure we should replace k3b KDE 3 right away .... not without conducting loads of testing beforehand anyway [20:54] apachelogger: agreed - last time it did not work for me at all [20:54] apachelogger: hmmm, any issues seen with it yet? [20:54] works mostly fine here [20:54] apachelogger: we need ppa with test packages, then we can get wider testing [20:55] aye [20:55] Tm_T: it did for you, it didn't for Lure ... that is IMHO very good indicationg that it needs more testing ;-) [20:55] apachelogger: I am running k3b kde4 and have no issues with it [20:55] also testing from more people [20:55] apachelogger: aye, mostly, as I said, there's crashes [20:55] on different hardware [20:55] etc. [20:55] and we need one package that we all try [20:56] currently we have reports from various tries with different setups (kde 4.2, kde-trunk, tonio's packages...) [20:58] I agree. We need a PPA to install/test it from. [20:58] get common results. [20:58] who is the packaging master for that one? Tonio? [20:58] yus [20:58] he's at FOSDEM [20:59] hm, that dood on the list talking about "we", "we" is an unknown method or variable, is awesome :D [21:00] rgreening: but afterwards we need to have them online at his (or another personal) ppa ... and if we think it is good enough put it in kubuntu-experimental, to get it shaken a lot [21:01] time for bed [21:01] cya [21:01] night apachelogger [21:24] ScottK: please find your 8.04.0 cd in any case ... if you can test oem install; choose english as the language, and also choose english when prompted by oem-config; does this fail for you? [21:25] Will do. I know there's a current Kubuntu oem-config bug. I wonder if it goes that far back? [21:29] not impossible ... it doesn't work for english+english, but english+german works fine [21:30] ScottK: i tried downgrading oem-config to the one shipped in hardy, but that didn't change anything [21:30] I have a box I can try that on, probably later tonight. [21:30] OK. [21:31] perfect [21:34] ScottK, is it possible to patch the plasma cashew in the same way opensuse does it so its removable :) [21:34] and it seriously need giving some feedback while it works (unless that is already changed) [21:34] the guys in plasma told me about that [21:36] ghostcube: There's a widget floating around to remove it. Rather than patch the core system, I think it'd be better for someone to package that so people who want to remove it can do it. [21:36] yeah i showed it up in here but do you think this is better ? [21:37] i didnt look what opensuse do till now maybe i can get the changes this cant be much [21:37] its only tun on off : [21:38] ghostcube: Any deviation from upstream represents a risk of sorts. If a problem can be solved without patching the core system, that's almost always better. [21:47] ScottK, hmm sure [21:49] goodnight people [21:54] n8 [22:28] are there still issues with triple head setups anyone know? [23:36] fabo: ping [23:42] fabo: can you look at the FTBFS log of kdebindings in my PPA and this kde bug? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177842 [23:42] KDE bug 177842 in general "smoke is incompatible with Qt 4 5 snapshots" [Normal,New] === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [23:54] Riddell: KDE 4.2.0 has been stable here with Qt 4.5.0 RC1. Only issue left is a build problem for kdebindings (see bug above). Not sure if its a KDE or Qt issue. Once a fix for that is found, I can rebuild bindings. If that works, we should be able to upload Qt 4.5.0 and rebuild KDE 4.2.0 against it successfully.