[00:30] <melik> so weird, half my ubuntu-desktop packages got removed :/
[00:38] <emet> !info bzr
[00:56] <kazagistar> I installed Jaunty, and I noticed that "System -> Preferences -> Sound" has disappeared... how/where can I find it? is this a bug, or a change-feature I missed? :P
[00:58] <biouser> all updates can be installed... is this something going on with large portions of early jaunty people or is this a personal problem?
[00:59] <biouser> kazagistar has to do with the new pulse stuff going on I'm thinking
[00:59] <biouser> there is the volume control in the panel
[01:00] <biouser> that should have the same functionality I guess
[01:01] <kazagistar> I want to disable beeps and replace with window-flashes, which are much less obtrusive
[01:01] <biouser> why am I running a partial distribution upgrade right now...?
[01:02] <syockit> kazagistar: now known as Notifications
[01:03] <biouser> how do you change these notifications?
[01:18] <BotLobsta> i just upgraded to the latest version of X in the jaunty repos and it seems that I no longer have 1 pixel precision for my mouse
[01:18] <BotLobsta> anyone know how I might fix that?
[03:00] <teethdood> mmm I like the potential new notifications
[03:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a known problem with iwl wifi and WPA2 TKP+AES ? The live-CD is failing to connect to a hidden network, and when it re-prompts for the key, it doesn't offer any WPA options
[04:27] <dyf> hello.. i'm trying to use smartdimmer to dim my screen, it keeps saying "init_nvclock() failed!
[04:27] <dyf> "
[04:27] <dyf> any ideas?
[04:34] <binarymutant> is ext4 stable enough to use in production?
[04:48] <rainmanp7> have they released alpha 4 yet ?
[04:49] <binarymutant> rainmanp7, ya
[04:49] <rainmanp7> ok does it have btrfs support in it ?
[04:49] <binarymutant> mp clue
[04:49] <binarymutant> no*
[04:49] <rainmanp7> crap ok
[05:39] <DanaG> ugh, stupid pop-out volume control is ... stupid.
[05:40] <DanaG> It's horizontal, and it scrolls backwards.
[05:41] <DanaG> You scroll up... it moves left, to lower volume.
[05:44] <Hew> DanaG: Haha, interesting find
[05:45] <crdlb> that seems to be normal gtk behavior
[05:45] <DanaG> It's not normal for a volume thingy to be horizontal, though.
[05:45] <crdlb> and it makes sense imho for most horizontal sliders
[05:46] <DanaG> And where's the thing to choose what volume control the hotkeys control?
[05:46] <DanaG> s/what/which/
[05:46] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the PA 0.9.15 PPA doesn't have paprefs, which is one of the big things changed in it.
[05:46] <DanaG> in 0.9.15.
[05:52] <kazagistar> in Intrepid, when I wanted to system beeps to instead cause the windows to flash, I could set that option under "System -> Preferences -> Sound". Where can I do this in Jaunty?
[05:54] <DanaG> I don't think you can.
[05:54] <DanaG> gnome-sound-preferences is gone.
[05:56] <kazagistar> I see
[05:56] <DanaG> I'm rather irked about that myself, too.
[05:56] <kazagistar> is this a bug? a regression? should I report it?
[05:56] <DanaG> No way to choose what device the volume hotkeys affect.
[05:57] <DanaG> I'd say it's a regression -- but search for an existing bug on it first.
[05:57] <kazagistar> a'ight
[05:58] <WelshDragon> DanaG, there is a vertical volume control thing
[05:58] <WelshDragon> Or at least there is for me, It's in the notification area.
[05:59] <DanaG> Not for me, oddly enough.
[06:00] <WelshDragon> gnome-volume-control-applet <-- running process
[06:01] <DanaG> aah, gnome-media package.
[06:02] <WelshDragon> but yes, not being able to choose which channels the hotkeys control is annoying >.<
[06:02] <DanaG> At least they brought back the old volume control app.
[06:03] <DanaG> PA still doesn't give any way to choose WHICH subdevice to use for capture.
[06:03] <WelshDragon> yup, i'd started using alsamixer =x
[06:03] <kazagistar> and just silencing the beeps is kinda bad... they are useful, but I would rather my screen flash then to beep at everyone around
[06:03] <DanaG> Time to dig around in regedit!
[06:03] <DanaG> s/regedit/gconf-editor/
[06:03] <DanaG> It's a joke.  =þ
[06:04] <WelshDragon> My sides are splitting O.o
[06:05] <DanaG> I also wish PA had a way to say "Use keyboard X to control volume mixer Y"
[06:06] <WelshDragon> PA needs alot really..
[06:07] <DanaG> It also needs not to <asterisks> crash on resume from suspend.
[06:07] <DanaG> That sure is an odd way of swearing.  =þ
[06:07] <WelshDragon> lol
[06:07] <DanaG> would be better as ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡!
[06:08] <WelshDragon> ø.Ø
[06:08] <DanaG> ¿?
[06:08] <WelshDragon> ··· enough! =P
[06:08] <kazagistar> what package would this bug be under, you think?
[06:09] <kazagistar> I can't find anything like it, so I am submitting a new one
[06:09] <DanaG> hmm...
[06:09] <DanaG> !find gnome-sound-preferences intrepid
[06:10] <DanaG> !find gnome-sound-properties intrepid
[06:10] <DanaG> that'd be where.
[06:20] <kazagistar> posted bug report (326778)... now I just hope this gets fixed before class on Monday, so I can type without fear during boring lectures :P
[06:23] <DanaG> bug 326778
[06:23] <DanaG> oh yeah, if it's the old PC speaker thing, you can blacklist snd_pcsp and pcspkr
[06:27]  * DanaG wishes somebody would make an array-mic plugin for ALSA.
[06:27] <DanaG> Something to do noise cancelling.
[06:28] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and even PA 0.9.15 still doesn't see my digital port on my USB sound card OR my HDMI port on my video card.
[06:28] <DanaG> er, digital on USB is not a separate device.  =þ
[06:37] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311932
[06:37]  * DanaG subscribes
[06:38]  * DanaG neeeeeds that to be fixxed.
[06:43] <DanaG> so, will Jaunty get 2.6.29?   I sure hope so.
[06:43] <DanaG> It has lots of fixes for my laptop's product line.
[06:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[06:53] <DanaG> I sure hope they'll get 2.6.29.
[07:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/326607
[07:10] <RAOF> Plese make it stay out of the notification area :)
[07:12] <WelshDragon> RAOF, agreed. But i'd rather a vertical one in the notification area than a horizontal one out of it ^^
[07:13] <DanaG> And the preferences thing is gone, too.
[07:14] <DanaG> No way to choose default mixer device.
[07:14] <DanaG> Luckily, I had it set correctly beforehand.
[07:15] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1040988&page=25
[07:16] <DanaG> HEh, question.... if you need SAK to kill Xorg when ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled... then how the heck do you SAK within a guest in a VM?
[07:16] <DanaG> Host+Backspace is ctrl-alt-backspace... but there's no guest sysrq.
[07:58] <ccooke> Okay, this is mildly freakish. A dev release with not a single package updated in more than 24 hours
[07:58] <ccooke> or is it something broken on my side?
[08:03] <Hew> ccooke: There have been no updates recently for me either, but packages are definitely being uploaded https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-February/thread.html
[08:27] <DanaG> Ooooh, my hda-intel card supports two independent capture streams at the same time.
[08:28] <Alexia_Death> Am I the only one having problems with kwin after recent updates? it gets stuck and starts eating cpu soon afte starting.
[08:30] <ccooke> Alexia_Death: when you log in, you get your wallpaper but nothing else happens?
[08:30] <ccooke> if so, that one's known.
[08:30] <ccooke> Bug 362344 I think
[08:31] <ccooke> no
[08:31] <ccooke> 326344
[08:31] <ccooke> Transposed :-)
[08:31] <Alexia_Death> I get more than wallpaper, In fact the whole plasma seems to load, but then kwin starts eating resources and thats it.
[08:31] <Alexia_Death> I can kill kwin and use the applications and the widgets but thats no fun
[08:32] <ccooke> Alexia_Death: possibly that's the difference between Gnome and KDE
[08:32] <Alexia_Death> So im back in gnome :(
[08:32] <Alexia_Death> Gnome works fine.
[08:32] <ccooke> does gnome have compiz?
[08:32] <Alexia_Death> no
[08:33] <Alexia_Death> Im using metacity in gnime
[08:33] <ccooke> that'll do it.
[08:33] <ccooke> Check out bug 326344
[08:33] <Alexia_Death> So its compositing in general.
[08:33] <ccooke> yeah
[08:34] <ccooke> what graphics card do you have?
[08:34] <Alexia_Death> nvidia
[08:34] <ccooke> it definitely affects nvidia...
[08:34] <ccooke> there's a workaround
[08:34] <ccooke> in the bug
[08:34] <Alexia_Death> ok
[08:34] <Alexia_Death> Ill see
[08:34] <ccooke> annoying, but it works
[08:34] <DanaG> PulseAudio "Network" tab is disabled with PA 0.9.15.
[08:35] <DanaG> It also still doesn't support multiple subdevices in 0.9.15-test1.
[08:39] <ccooke> Odd. There are several packages listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-February/thread.html that were changed in the last 30 hours or so... and I've seen none of them show up.
[08:39] <ccooke> (several packages that would upgrade things on this laptop, that is)
[08:40] <Alexia_Death> ccooke: any permanent workaround?
[08:40] <ccooke> Alexia_Death: downgrade the packages involved?
[08:41] <DanaG> metacity can do compositing, too.
[08:45] <DanaG> Anyone know where to get autoconf 2.63?
[08:56] <SwedeMike> DanaG: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/autoconf/ ?
[08:57] <DanaG> eeh, I just changed what version the pulseaudio source claimed to need.
[09:04] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f5f560b3
[09:05] <Alexia_Death> Hmm
[09:06] <Alexia_Death> I wonder if that bug affects anything that does direct rendering.
[09:06] <Alexia_Death> I have several 3d games installed through wine.
[09:11] <DanaG> oh...kay, so it detects the HDMI and the secondary capture stream on my hda-intel... but won't use either of them.
[09:12] <DanaG> Well, that sucks.
[09:14]  * Alexia_Death goes to file a bug with kmail about using popups that block for not being able to connect.
[09:41] <Alexia_Death> sound is broken again
[09:41] <Alexia_Death> pulseaudio is not started on login and when it starts all hardware outputs are muted again.
[10:06] <DanaG> ugh, stupid new PA shows my app at some <100% volume, AND my card at <100% volume...
[10:06] <DanaG> ... and if I increase the app volume, it increases the CARD volume!
[10:06] <DanaG> How stupid.
[10:07] <DanaG> Yeah, I know Vista does it that way... but it's no less stupid there.
[10:07] <BUGabundo> DanaG: lucky you
[10:07] <BUGabundo> I have NO sound this morning
[10:07] <BUGabundo> just beeper
[10:08] <DanaG> I think I may file a bug on that confusing volume control.
[10:09] <BUGabundo> if you do, please fw it upstream too, and link both
[10:09] <DanaG> Upstream to where?
[10:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, so now my app volume changes when I move it to a different device... and if I decrease the app volume, it turns down the device volume.
[10:09] <BUGabundo> to the trac you were seeing yesterday
[10:10] <BUGabundo> my Card volume, auto-magicly mutes
[10:10] <BUGabundo> every few minutes
[10:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:10] <BUGabundo> brb. quick brf
[10:11] <DanaG> Ugh, and it's all garbagey garbled crap.
[10:11] <DanaG> Like it's being played through a very long metal pipe.
[10:15] <DanaG> Oh, and muting the USB sound card.... doesn't mute it.
[10:15] <DanaG> oh wait, that was input tab.
[10:17] <idorock89> so guys the new volume control is going to be there in jaunty right? i read somewhere reently that it has been deferred
[10:17] <DanaG> good, because it sucks.
[10:18] <DanaG> Bad: they haven't brought back the old one, though.
[10:18] <idorock89> DanaG: but if the bugs are sorted out in the 3 months remaining then it is a good step fwd
[10:18] <idorock89> i would like to see it make it
[10:18] <DanaG> The new audio preferences thing....
[10:18] <DanaG> ... claims to replace pavucontrol, but really can't.
[10:19] <DanaG> Can you move different apps to different devices?  Nope.
[10:19] <DanaG> Over the network?  Nope.
[10:19] <idorock89> and also what about the telepathy integrating in ubuntu is it there for jaunty? on launchpad blueprints it is having status of proposed for feisty but deferred
[10:19] <idorock89> so will it be in jaunty?
[10:19] <DanaG> I'd rather have telepathy... in my brain. =þ
[10:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/322909
[10:35] <BUGabundo> I have pavucontrol installed! it give me WAY more control
[10:40] <DanaG> I do think it a bit funny that I have two "ADI198x Analog" capture devices, with no way to tell which is "Capture" and which is "Capture 1".
[10:40] <DanaG> I can capture from two different sources at the same time.
[10:40] <Cruster> I have a problem with kubuntu jaunty and composite with kwin. It crashes and I have to kill Xorg. /var/log/messages reports [ 3761.402268] nepomukservices[13237]: segfault at 4 ip b7d7b852 sp bf988f50 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.4.3[b7d28000+225000]
[10:42] <andersk> Cruster: you are probably seeing bug 326344.
[10:42] <Cruster> weird....searched for it
[10:43] <Cruster> didn't find anything
[10:43] <BUGabundo> ROFL there goes LP timeout again
[10:43]  * DanaG is using ALSA 1.0.19.
[10:43] <andersk> I really have bad luck with this bot, don't I.
[10:44] <andersk> Launchpad bug 326344 in xorg-server "compiz/kwin freezes on login as of xorg-server 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344
[10:44] <andersk> Ha.  Thanks, ubottu.
[10:44] <Cruster> thanks, i'll look into it
[10:45] <BUGabundo> damn it!
[10:45] <BUGabundo> I'm going to fix that subject
[10:45] <BUGabundo> it doesn't REALLY cover the bug
[10:45] <DanaG> Speaking of topic... I only see 1/3 of the line of text, vertically, in Pidgin.
[10:45] <DanaG> It's like they've hardcoded the size of the topic line area.
[10:46] <BUGabundo> screenshot
[10:46] <BUGabundo> I don't get what you say
[10:46] <BUGabundo> mine is horizontal
[10:46] <BUGabundo> and of course doesn't fit
[10:46] <BUGabundo> speaking of pidgin, does it crash for everyone with PA too?
[10:46] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/317897
[10:46] <DanaG> Picture taking a line of text, and then chopping it in half, along a horizontal line through the middle.
[10:47] <BUGabundo> http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop/fulldesktop.png.php
[10:47] <BUGabundo> here is mine
[10:47] <Cruster> so, is it safe to downgrade xorg-xserver?
[10:48] <BUGabundo> Cruster: if you still have -0 in cache
[10:48] <BUGabundo> sure
[10:48] <andersk> Yes, you can downgrade to 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu1.
[10:48] <DanaG> HP netbook theme: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-glassybleu.png
[10:48] <BUGabundo> otherwise, just run xfix
[10:48] <DanaG> My theme: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange.png
[10:48] <Cruster> what does xfix do?
[10:48] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/another-screenshot.png
[10:49] <DanaG> That glassy-bleu is rather nice.
[10:49] <andersk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/xserver-xorg-core/2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu1
[10:49] <andersk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/amd64/xserver-xorg-core/2:1.5.99.902-0ubuntu1
[10:50] <DanaG> High-DPI display is nice.
[10:50] <Alexia_Death> BUGabundo: pidgin crashes for me yes.
[10:51] <Alexia_Death> BUGabundo: moved back to kopete.
[10:51] <DanaG> My pidgin works.
[10:51] <DanaG> I just have sounds disabled, perhaps.
[10:51] <BUGabundo> even with that
[10:51] <DanaG> PA 0.9.15 also breaks zerconf network stuff, by the way.
[10:51] <BUGabundo> its a two part bug
[10:52] <DanaG> You see the topic line in my screenshot?
[10:52] <Alexia_Death> BUGabundo: it hangs for me when a sound is played
[10:52] <BUGabundo> exaile would still right to it, even it all music plugins disable
[10:52] <BUGabundo> and then there was a SSL prob
[10:52] <BUGabundo> and anytime pidgin makes sounds, it crass
[10:52] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I guess I'll go back to 9.14
[10:52] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:53] <DanaG> Yeah... PA 0.9.15 doesn't add anything for me.
[10:53] <BUGabundo> Cruster: xfix just reconfigures Xorg to not use prop driver
[10:53] <DanaG> The "on-the-fly profile switching" -- has no UI.
[10:53] <DanaG> The "detect more than one subdevice" does not work.
[10:54] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I don't see that line break
[10:54] <BUGabundo> humm DPI maybe?
[10:54] <BUGabundo> it can be hardcoded to pidgin
[10:54] <BUGabundo> mine is at 96
[10:54] <BUGabundo> yours?
[10:55] <DanaG> I have mine at 145.  Actual screen is 147.
[10:56] <BUGabundo> DanaG: is your GPM broken?
[10:56] <DanaG> !info gpm
[10:56] <DanaG> !info gnome-power-manager
[10:56] <BUGabundo> on that screenshot, there's the nasty stop mark over it
[10:56] <BUGabundo> yeah
[10:56] <BUGabundo> the double click bug
[10:56] <BUGabundo> eheheeh
[10:57] <BUGabundo> if you click to fast on it, it will break
[10:57] <BUGabundo> never reported it
[10:57] <BUGabundo> I guess its time for it
[10:57] <DanaG> Which thing?
[10:57] <DanaG> Oh, the exclamation point is update-notifier.
[10:57] <BUGabundo> the one between your firefox and zero conf
[10:57] <BUGabundo> no no no
[10:57] <BUGabundo> the one between your firefox and zero conf
[10:57] <DanaG> That's brightness applet.
[10:57] <BUGabundo> yep
[10:58] <BUGabundo> apporting it now
[10:58] <DanaG> For a while, I had the issue where 100% brightness would give "unable to retrieve LCD brightness"
[10:58] <DanaG> Every other increment would do that.  Brightness controls themselves worked fine, though.
[10:58] <BUGabundo> humm should I file on gpm or gnome applets?
[10:58] <DanaG> Oh, or perhaps those screenshots were taken during the time when brightness control was broken.
[10:59] <DanaG> Oooooh, shiny bleu.
[10:59] <DanaG> Publicly available... but not publicized.
[11:00] <DanaG> I prefer my bright theme, though.
[11:01] <BUGabundo> I keep changing mine
[11:03] <Cruster> ok i downgraded and works fine
[11:04] <DanaG> Another major bug I hahave aevaefasdfasdfaserasedfadararrarargh keyboard lag
[11:04] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[11:05] <DanaG> Hahahah!
[11:05] <DanaG> Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them with the "Sound Preferences" under the System-Preferences menu.
[11:05] <DanaG> HAH!
[11:07] <DanaG> Sun Feb  8 03:07:05 PST 2009
[11:07] <DanaG> TIme for bed.
[11:07] <DanaG> Waay past time.
[11:08] <BUGabundo> DanaG: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/326826
[11:09] <DanaG> Doesn't happen for me.
[11:09] <DanaG> Anyway, bedtime for me.
[11:09] <BUGabundo> I just saw on yours
[11:09] <BUGabundo> heh
[11:10] <DanaG> Old screenshot; different cause.  =þ
[11:10] <BUGabundo> okay
[11:10] <BUGabundo> go to bed
[11:10] <BUGabundo> see you in a few hours
[11:10] <DanaG> Another issue I have:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[11:10] <DanaG> The fglrx one is the biggest deal, though -- doesn't even work in Intrepid.
[11:11] <DanaG> It wouldn't be so bad if radeon at least had power management support.
[11:12] <DanaG> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20967279/fglrx-ouch.log
[11:12] <BUGabundo> dude: GO TO BED
[11:12] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:12] <DanaG> Bigger immediate bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/311932
[11:12] <BUGabundo> bug-a-wollic
[11:14] <Cruster> does anyone else has expirienced problems with ksystray? My icons seem not to update frequently...
[11:18] <BUGabundo> Cruster: gnome user here
[12:03] <legate> I installed Kubuntu Jaunty Alpha 4. But it freezes a minute or so after I start it. The only way to get out of it is to restart X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. How can I get relevant information to find an existing bug report or to file one?
[12:08] <BUGabundo> legate: no need
[12:08] <BUGabundo> known bug
[12:08] <BUGabundo> bug 326344
[12:11] <legate> ok, thanks BUGabundo
[12:26] <kristjan_> any updates on nouveau drivers status?
[12:29] <BUGabundo> not that I know kristjan_
[12:32] <kristjan_> BUGabundo, I mean can I install them in Jaunty without adding any extra repos?
[12:34] <BUGabundo> humm the nouveau are already there
[12:34] <BUGabundo> maybe not the TRUNK version, but they are there, kristjan_
[12:35] <kristjan_> BUGabundo, well ok. what's current Jaunty's version? alpha3
[12:35] <BUGabundo> humm
[12:35] <BUGabundo> daily ?
[12:36] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[12:36] <robin0800> kristjan_: as thursday alpha 4 is out
[12:36] <BUGabundo> Alpha4 is out
[12:37] <kristjan_> I think I will wait for first beta release still. Availability of nouveau drivers already is nice though.
[12:37] <Alexia_Death> kristjan_: vahivahi, eestlasi eksib kah siaa ära.
[12:38] <Alexia_Death> kristjan_: smart move. nvidia+compositing is broken in alpha 4
[12:38]  * Alexia_Death had to downgrade this morning.
[12:38] <Alexia_Death> X that is.
[12:54] <custombrush> hi
[13:37] <BUGabundo> Hew I don't think that you were all that right
[13:37] <BUGabundo> even with compiz and metacity compozite off, I can't login with NVidia
[13:38] <zniavre> i can now
[13:40] <BUGabundo> not here
[13:40] <BUGabundo> only with NV driver
[13:40] <kristjan_> will Jaunty see major ui revamp? didn't canonical hire professional designers or something?
[13:42] <BUGabundo> andersk: ping
[13:42] <BUGabundo> even with compiz and metacity compozite off, I can't login with NVidia
[13:50] <histo> ne1 elses X broke atm?
[13:51] <histo> Mines hanging after logging in.
[13:51] <histo> trying to debug now
[13:53] <histo> Ahhh looks like a problem with having the workaround for the nvidia driver.
[13:57] <Adys> histo: 180.27?
[13:57] <histo> hold on brb
[14:01] <histo> There much better. What was someone asking about nvidia driver?
[14:03] <histo> Let me check which version whoever that was earlier
[14:04] <histo> Yeah its 180.27 drivers
[14:10] <histo> all borked up I had the abi fix implemented but something with the new updates wrecked it.
[14:12] <histo> ahh looks like problem with compiz
[14:36] <failers> cant get sound working in 9.04 . in 8.10 i had to add "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1" in "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" but now it doesnt help got any ideas?
[14:36] <IntuitiveNipple> failers: Check the module in case the required parameter has changed (modinfo snd-hda-intel)
[14:38] <failers> IntuitiveNipple explain little more what you mean im half new to linux and yes i know this is alpha ^^
[14:39] <IntuitiveNipple> give me a mo... I think I misunderstood your question slightly, too! I'm looking at it in a virtual machine right now
[14:39] <failers> oki
[14:39] <failers> IntuitiveNipple http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1063382 there you have all the info i could get out of kubuntu with my knowledge :P
[14:40] <failers> (what kind of soundcard i got and alsa-base in its current state)
[14:41] <IntuitiveNipple> just checked... I was correct first time.... that setting you referred to us passed to the kernel module when it starts. "enable_msi" is no longer a valid option - it looks like it has been replaced by the "model=" option (since so many HDA chipsets require specific set-up)
[14:41] <IntuitiveNipple> let's look at what the options to 'model' are
[14:41] <failers> oki
[14:50] <failers> IntuitiveNipple is it "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1 model=hp-m4" or just options snd-hda-intel model=hp-m4"
[14:51] <IntuitiveNipple> oh hang on! lol... I read MSI as the manufacturer... it is in fact message signalling interrupt :p
[14:51] <failers> :o
[14:53] <IntuitiveNipple> and that option does still exist :)
[14:54] <IntuitiveNipple> I think the former of your two examples is correct...I'm trying to find the list of models
[14:54] <failers> ok
[15:05] <failers> IntuitiveNipple got it working thx for leading me in right direction
[15:05] <failers> :)
[15:06] <IntuitiveNipple> what was it?
[15:07] <IntuitiveNipple> I just found the models: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-jaunty.git;a=blob;f=sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c;h=82029baf3305f9afa4eef2a2c57cdd70be117090;hb=HEAD#l1765
[15:07] <failers> to make it work i added "options snd slots=snd-hda-intel" "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1 model=hp-m4" "alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel"
[15:07] <failers> found it on some opensuse forum
[15:07] <failers> :P
[15:07] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh I see
[15:09] <failers> how awesome now everything works :D
[15:09] <failers> only fstab on my ntfs drives and im done :)
[15:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Can you please post that as a bug-report in launchpad? (I'll tell you the package in a mo)
[15:10] <failers> sure
[15:11] <IntuitiveNipple> I *think* it should be against "alsa-base" since it has the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base module configuration options for the various sound tweaks.
[15:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Make sure to post the solution there too :)
[15:14] <failers> ubuntu , alsa-base , summary: no sound on kubuntu 9.04 alpha 4
[15:14] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[15:20] <failers> IntuitiveNipple https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/326896
[15:20] <failers> good enough :o ?
[15:21] <virtuelv> Noticed something weird in 64-bit
[15:21] <virtuelv> login sound is distorted
[15:23] <IntuitiveNipple> virtuelv: Yes, I noticed that too both with bare hardware and on a KVM virtual machine
[15:25] <virtuelv> and the sound preferences tool is gone?
[15:26] <failers> virtuelv its under multimedia
[15:26] <failers> or thats what it says for me in swedish language pack
[15:26] <failers> system settings -> multimedia
[15:27] <failers> there it is for me
[15:28] <virtuelv> no multimedia preferences either
[15:28] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[15:28] <BUGabundo> what are you discussing?
[15:28] <BUGabundo> PA?
[15:28] <IntuitiveNipple> There's two speaker icons showing (with live-CD) - gnome-volume-control and mixer_applet2
[15:28] <failers> hm btw IntuitiveNipple compiz window manager doesnt seem to work either in 9.04 as fast as i put it up as window manager everything except my wallpaper disapears :P
[15:28] <BUGabundo> humm regression that
[15:28] <BUGabundo> themuso had that fixed
[15:29] <BUGabundo> failers: known bug.....
[15:29] <failers> oki
[15:29] <failers> is there a workaround for it
[15:29] <BUGabundo> just wait five min, and some else will show up and say the same
[15:29] <BUGabundo> sure
[15:29] <virtuelv> hm, which package am I missing if the multimedia prefs are gone?
[15:30] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/326374
[15:30] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: I would say PA... or at very least alsa
[15:33] <virtuelv> hm
[15:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Grr! I've been messing about trying to figure out why the KVM VMs couldn't get a response from the LAN gateway... everything looked fine with routes and tap interfaces... then realised I'd swapped the VM host from eth0 to wlan0 and its IP address had changed... and in the gateway router there's a static route to the VM-net with the eth0 IP set! doh!
[15:37] <failers> BUGabundo
[15:37] <failers> the workaround is for gnome what about kde :P ?
[15:37] <failers> it wants me to add a line to a file ~/gnomerc
[15:38] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:38] <BUGabundo> the workarounds are downgrading xorg or removing proprietary driver
[15:38] <failers> putting this line in your ~/.gnomerc:
[15:38] <failers> export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1
[15:38] <failers> :S idk
[15:39] <virtuelv> BUGabundo: the multimedia stuff should've been part of gnome-control-center
[15:50] <dyf> if i want to activate ctrl-alt-backspace, do i just paste the line "dontzap --disable" in xorg.conf?
[15:51] <virtuelv> dyf: in the correct section
[15:51] <virtuelv> google it
[15:52] <dyf> virtuelv: this is from the release notes "Users who do want this function can enable it in 	their xorg.conf, or via the command dontzap --disable."
[15:53] <dyf> i don't see anything related to zap in xorg.conf
[15:53] <dyf> and who the hell thought this was a common user mistake?
[15:54] <dyf> i mean you don't hit ctrl+alt in everyday usage
[15:54] <failers> i have never misclicked ctrl+alt+backspace
[15:54] <failers> ever :P
[15:55] <virtuelv> Section "ServerFlags"
[15:55] <virtuelv> 	DontZap		"false"
[15:55] <virtuelv> EndSection
[15:56] <failers> BUGabundo when i have downgraded it just tells me compiz fails to start
[15:57] <ccooke> ... It's really odd that there have been no updated packages at all in the last 36 hours
[15:58] <BUGabundo> dyf: just run dontzap -d from console as root
[15:59] <BUGabundo> ccooke: 36 h? lol its more like 48 and counting
[15:59] <BUGabundo> failers: no idea why... ppl are saying it works. I haven't tried it yet
[15:59] <failers> ok
[16:00] <failers> tell me if you do get it work if you try it
[16:00] <failers> i will be online 24/7 :P
[16:01] <dyf> BUGabundo: there is no such command
[16:01] <BUGabundo> yes there is
[16:01] <BUGabundo> I run it
[16:01] <dyf> i don't got it
[16:01] <virtuelv> Anyone know if Sebastien Bacher hangs out here?
[16:01] <virtuelv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/314957
[16:01] <BUGabundo> The only accepted parameters are:
[16:01] <BUGabundo>   -e, --enable	Set "DontZap" to "True" (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does not restart the xserver).
[16:01] <BUGabundo>   -d, --disable	Set "DontZap" to "False" (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace restarts the xserver).
[16:01] <BUGabundo>   -h, --help	Show the help page.
[16:01] <BUGabundo> virtuelv: don't see him much here
[16:02] <virtuelv> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/326607
[16:02] <BUGabundo> try whois or #ubuntu-dev
[16:02] <dyf> sounds like a singer
[16:10] <ccooke> BUGabundo: heh. I've been busier than usual, so I only got around to installing Jaunty this weekend :-)
[16:11] <ccooke> BUGabundo: I usually install the dev release about a month earlier than this on one box
[16:13] <BUGabundo> ccooke:  I've been starting each time earlier
[16:13] <BUGabundo> this time it was just two weeks after 8.10 come out
[16:25] <gpd> My gnome sound properties is missing... and i have no sound in jaunty after upgrade from intrepid
[16:26] <BUGabundo> gpd: that either is a new bug from today (2nd person mentioning it)
[16:26] <BUGabundo> or you are still being hit by
[16:26] <BUGabundo> one of the other already existing and more expesicfic bugs
[16:27] <gpd> any obvious fixes / pointers / faqs to look at?
[16:27] <gpd> or should i give up and go back to hardy ;)
[16:27] <ccooke> BUGabundo: Heh. I don't have time for that. It's all risk management: I do need this system to be working most of the time, but I can survive a few days of it not
[16:29] <BUGabundo> guys: Devel version (jaunty right now) can and WILL cause breakage
[16:29] <BUGabundo> if some of you can't live like this, install stable releases
[16:30] <gpd> ok-- off to buy a macbook... thanks for the tip :)
[16:30] <custombrush> i have 9.04 and etch
[16:31] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[16:31] <BUGabundo> gpd: take a look on LP
[16:31] <BUGabundo> maybe there are some notes/workarounds there
[17:54] <DrHalan> did nvidia-glx break again?
[17:57] <robin0800> DrHalan: yes read the release notes
[18:08] <DrHalan> no i mean, yesterday eerything worked fine with glx now gnome doestn start properly (x does)
[18:11] <custombrush> x server starts and wallpaper and mouse ?
[18:13] <DrHalan> yes
[18:13] <custombrush> here too
[18:13] <DrHalan> but no gnome panel etc
[18:13] <custombrush> yes
[18:14] <DrHalan> so now i am runnign the "nv"-driver
[18:14] <custombrush> so it works?
[18:15] <DrHalan> yeah it seems to be an issue with glx
[18:15] <custombrush> :)
[18:18] <dyf> i can't install mplayer
[18:18] <dyf> mplayer-nogui:
[18:18] <dyf>  Depends: libx264-59 (>=1:0.svn20080408) but it is not installable
[18:18] <dyf> any ideas?
[18:19] <DrHalan> youve to wait until that lib is avaible
[18:21] <DrHalan> there was a xorg update yesterday maybe sth borke
[18:21] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: was Friday already
[18:22] <DrHalan> oh hm but yesterday it worked..
[18:23] <dyf> well, certainly something broke, i can't log in to gnome, i'm talking from fluxbox
[18:26] <zniavre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/intrepid/i386/libx264-59/download
[18:26] <zniavre> dyf i installed this one and mplayer / vlc can install
[18:26] <DrHalan> but damn now my drivers are borken again :(
[18:27] <BUGabundo> bug 326344
[18:27] <BUGabundo> and stop nagging about
[18:27] <BUGabundo> we ALL know about it, by now
[18:27] <DrHalan> sorry but thanks
[18:28] <failers> BUGabundo except in kubuntu workarounds doesnt work :P
[18:28] <BUGabundo> sure they do
[18:28] <BUGabundo> use NV
[18:28] <BUGabundo> instead of NVIDIA driver
[18:28] <failers> then no 3d effects at all
[18:28] <BUGabundo> pastebin your xorg.conf
[18:28] <failers> oki
[18:29] <dyf> zniavre: Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
[18:29] <dyf> mine is amd64
[18:29] <BUGabundo> what the heck is that?
[18:29] <BUGabundo> mine too
[18:30] <failers> http://pastebin.com/m722a4573
[18:30] <failers> using nvidia at the moment
[18:30] <dyf> i learned to not fix things if they work
[18:30] <dyf> therefore, i won't update as long as my system works
[18:32] <BUGabundo> failers:     Driver         "nvidia"
[18:33] <BUGabundo> what did I say?? NV
[18:33] <failers> I KNOW
[18:33] <failers> i said at the moment nvidia
[18:33] <BUGabundo> so I will fail
[18:33] <BUGabundo> its clear as water
[18:33] <BUGabundo> I stated that on the bug report
[18:33] <dyf> zniavre: nevermind, i got the one for my architecture, and i can install it now :)
[19:05] <zniavre> dyf:  great
[19:29] <unixdawg> hey
[19:32] <unixdawg> ok it errors about kformula
[19:33] <unixdawg> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:33] <unixdawg>   koffice: Depends: kformula (>= 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[19:33] <unixdawg> E: Broken packages
[19:33] <DanaG> Well, I figured out what was up with that screwy volume control.
[19:33] <DanaG>        flat-volumes= Enable ’flat’ volumes, i.e. where possible let  the  sink volume  equal the maximum of the volumes of the inputs connected to it. Takes a boolean argument, defaults to yes.
[19:33] <quassel61> I'm running kubuntu, and my trackpad don't work... earlier I'd look into xorg.conf, but I've understood that's not where the settings are any more... what should I do?
[19:33] <DanaG> Flat Volumes sound rather stupid to me.
[19:34] <quassel61> external mouse works fine
[19:35] <unixdawg> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:35] <unixdawg>   mythtv: Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.21.0+fixes19556-0ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed
[19:35] <unixdawg> E: Broken packages
[19:35] <unixdawg> these are my issues
[19:41] <biouser> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source; E: Package flashplugin-nonfree-pulse has no installation candidate
[19:46] <unixdawg> hmm
[19:46] <unixdawg> yeah
[19:46] <unixdawg> but you would think koffice would be there
[19:46] <unixdawg> btu I understand its still not a full release
[19:46] <unixdawg> but kde4.2 rocks
[19:49] <MarkusT> Is there a reliable source on whether 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 will be Jaunty's kernel? I found a few discussions, but nothing official.
[20:18] <ccooke> anyone else using Jaunty, gnome-terminal and a text-based irc client?
[20:20] <derekS> ccooke: me?
[20:20] <derekS> irssi?
[20:20] <ccooke> Excellent. Would you do me a quick favour?
[20:21] <derekS> ok?
[20:22] <ccooke> Try following this link by right-clicking in gnome-terminal and selecting Open Link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326965.
[20:22] <ccooke> heh. I meant the URL on my line, not ubottu's
[20:22] <derekS> ccooke: i just did
[20:22] <derekS> it worked
[20:23] <ccooke> Where does it go to in your browser?
[20:23] <ccooke> does the . get included in the URL?
[20:23] <derekS> the . doesn't get included
[20:24] <ccooke> Interesting.
[20:24] <ccooke> (it does here)
[20:41] <MarkusT> Is there a reliable source on whether 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 will be Jaunty's kernel? I found a few discussions, but nothing official.
[20:46] <martijn81> what is the command to upgrade from intrepid to jaunty?
[20:48] <centaur5> martijn81: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[20:49] <dyf> it's sudo apt-get install ubuntu
[20:50] <RAOF> martijn81: gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
[21:35] <fatbrain> Hello, I've been googling, trying to find some information about 9.04 and soundserver, any idea where I can read about it?
[21:35] <derekS> fatbrain: google for "pulseaudio"
[21:35] <DanaG> soundserver?
[21:35] <DanaG> ah, yeah.
[21:35] <BUGabundo> fatbrain: what do you want to know
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ?
[21:39] <fatbrain> BUGabundo: I have some problem with audio when I run pulseaudio, quality-wise, don't know what's causing it, so I was trying to find some information about 9.04 if there was some "poor quality" fixes for the intel hda
[21:39] <failers> BUGabundo nv just aint working :| it gives me window manager failed to start returning to kwin
[21:39] <failers> BUGabundo downgradin is same thing :P
[21:39] <failers> so the workaround do not work with my computer atleast
[21:41] <IntuitiveNipple> fatbrain: describe "quality issues" ... I think you may be experiencing something others are too
[21:41] <fatbrain> (also I don't like all the legacy crap that's visible all over the place alsa/oss craps)
[21:41] <fatbrain> IntuitiveNipple: yes, I tired to ... erm, I even downloaded and installed the newest intel-hda alsa driver, but I'm a noob when it comes to sound-configuration so.. I only made my sound problem worse :)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> fatbrain: IntuitiveNipple crisum recommend on one LP report to add a line to pulse.conf that improved a lot for those users
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I notice a some what improvement too
[21:43] <DanaG> Oh yeah, BUGabundo: I figured out what was up with that stupid volume control.
[21:43] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[21:43] <fatbrain> BUGabundo: where's that LP report?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> a good night sleep does that
[21:44] <DanaG>        flat-volumes= Enable ’flat’ volumes, i.e. where possible let  the  sink volume  equal the maximum of the volumes of the inputs connected to it. Takes a boolean argument, defaults to yes.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> fatbrain: going to take me a long to find it
[21:44] <DanaG> That flat-volumes thing is really rather stupid.
[21:44] <IntuitiveNipple> fatbrain: I have noticed that the start-up sound from the live-CD in a VM guest is very distorted, sounds like it is only playing 1 out of every 1000 samples
[21:44] <fatbrain> BUGabundo: hah, no worries, I'll pull out some of my google-voodoo, should find it in a jiffy
[21:44] <DanaG> s/voodoo/foo/ fatbrain
[21:45] <DanaG> google-foo
[21:45] <BUGabundo> fatbrain: search on LP for crisum responses to me
[21:45] <fatbrain> IntuitiveNipple: yes, I wouldn't "judge" sound-quality from running anything through a vm
[21:45] <BUGabundo> humm think it was about audacity bug
[21:45] <fatbrain> DanaG: indeed, well played
[21:45] <fatbrain> DanaG vs fatbrain: 1-0
[21:46] <fatbrain> well, I'm off for some late evning phun, wish me luck :) (will be back for more later)
[21:46] <IntuitiveNipple> fatbrain: Sound works fine for the VMs except when the guest has problems... same as on the bare iron
[21:46] <BUGabundo> found nothing on my Firefox Awesome bar cache
[21:47] <BUGabundo> greping email now!
[21:48] <BUGabundo> stupid guys, leaves while I'm looking for it?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> bah
[21:49] <DanaG> that's the way the ball bounces -- er, the cookie crumbles -- er, the cookie bounces.
[21:50] <DanaG> though if a cookie bounces... that's a bit odd.
[21:50] <pzy> i'm using jaunty and since 2-3 days i cannot login to kde4.2 .xsession-errors gives a lot of org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply errors
[22:04] <BUGabundo1> ok
[22:04] <centaur5> So apparently do-release-upgrade doesn't work on a command line system is it best to just change sources.list to jaunty instead of intrepid?
[22:04] <BUGabundo1> for ANYONE with PA probs
[22:04] <BUGabundo1> where the sound clips
[22:04] <BUGabundo1> try this
[22:05] <BUGabundo1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/295519/comments/19
[22:05] <BUGabundo1> also can someone memo fatbrain please
[22:05] <BUGabundo1> /memo fatbrain try this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/295519/comments/19
[22:51] <ccooke> ... Wow. The whole weekend, and not a single updated package. That's freaky :-)
[23:07] <failers> have fstab changed anything from 8.10 to 9.04
[23:07] <BUGabundo> not that I noticed
[23:07] <BUGabundo> why?
[23:09] <failers> going to fstab my ntfs partitions just wanted to know any changes :P
[23:10] <BUGabundo> ah?
[23:22] <DanaG> Anyone know how to use a bluetooth headset with ALSA?
[23:22] <DanaG> Or with PulseAudio?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> DanaG: hasn't work ever since the BT stack was changed
[23:23] <BUGabundo> during ibex devel
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I emailed the BT ml a month ago... no reply
[23:24] <DanaG> Righty-oh.
[23:24] <DanaG> Bluetooth audio in Linux has never worked well or correctly, if at all, for me.
[23:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and now there's no way to create an rfcomm port.
[23:25] <BUGabundo> is used to wotk
[23:25] <BUGabundo> I used it a bit "back in the day"
[23:25] <DanaG> Didn't work for me -- broke up and was all garbled.
[23:26] <DanaG> and never worked with PulseAudio.
[23:28] <DanaG> Why was it considered a "good idea" to switch, anyway?
[23:30] <maco> DanaG: because pulse lets you do a lot of the advanced stuff very very easily
[23:30] <DanaG> To BlueZ 4.x, I mean.
[23:30] <teethdood> firefox is so slow
[23:30] <maco> stuff that's total black magic in the alsa world becomes easy if you use pulse
[23:30] <DanaG> I enjoy PulseAudio,.
[23:30] <maco> oh i thought you meant why pulse
[23:30] <DanaG> But I have the "blues" about.... yeah.
[23:30] <DanaG> =þ
[23:31] <teethdood> is firefox slow for everyone or just me?
[23:31] <DanaG> It's actually funnier omitting the pun.  =þ
[23:32] <DanaG> I wish PA would use ALL of my devices, though.
[23:32] <DanaG> HDMI port is not used.
[23:32] <BUGabundo> teethdood: there are a few reports on LP about it
[23:32] <DanaG> Also not used: second capture stream of hda-intel device.
[23:32] <BUGabundo> most about IPv6
[23:33] <BUGabundo> some with DNS, etc
[23:33] <DanaG> I'd be able to capture from two separate sources at the same time.
[23:33] <BUGabundo> can you try Firefox3.1 ?
[23:33] <DanaG> Granted, that capture trick is not extremely useful.
[23:33] <teethdood> BUGabundo: good idea. Gonna apt-get it
[23:37] <maco> BUGabundo: one of my friends looked into the IPv6 stuff
[23:37] <maco> he said that there's an absurdly high timeout set for DNS lookups, and it tries twice
[23:37] <maco> so its like..10 seconds, timeout. 10 seconds second try, timeout. ipv4 first try....
[23:38] <DanaG> Reminds me of Outlook's default 60-second server timeout.
[23:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Did someone mention that jaunty freezes at the log-in screen?
[23:57] <ccooke> IntuitiveNipple: There's a problem with nvidia/X at the moment, yes
[23:58] <ccooke> IntuitiveNipple: There are workarounds posted in the report. Check bug 326344
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> this isn't nvidia... starting Jaunty in a VM guest with VGA
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Seems to be refusing to interact with mouse or keyboard, but cursor flashes... hmmm