[09:04] <jldugger> Processor	: ARM926EJ-Sid(wb) rev 0 (v5l)
[09:04] <jldugger> im assuming that's too old for ubuntu
[09:28] <Stskeeps> nah, it's armv5te
[09:29] <Stskeeps> which works with ubuntu
[09:34] <jldugger> interesting
[09:35] <jldugger> unfortunately, ive got 64 megs of RAM on it
[09:36] <Stskeeps> can probably run the base system :P which device is it?
[09:36] <jldugger> D-Link DNS 323
[09:36] <Stskeeps> well 64 mb can probably take the base system, definately :P
[09:36] <jldugger> theres a gig of swap
[09:37] <Stskeeps> we have a ubuntu base system on nokia 770's, which are 64mb ram so
[09:37] <jldugger> for the moment i'll stick with ipkg and see how that goes
[09:38] <jldugger> there's two guides out there for running debian on this thing; one is chroot and the other is not
[15:48] <ogra> hmm
[15:49] <ogra> i wonder how debian does that ... htop on the nslug actually reports only 6M of 30 being used
[15:49] <ogra> on an idling system
[15:55] <suihkulokki> ogra: no UI, no memory problems ;)
[15:55] <ogra> suihkulokki, well, i havent seen an ubuntu kernel running with 6M yet
[15:57] <ogra> we even had probs booting 32M x86 systems in ltsp 48M was the bare minimum to unpack and execute the initramfs, its pretty impressing to see a 30M system booting and then running with only 6M userspace being used
[15:57] <ogra> and i really wonder how to achieve that whithout trashing the ubuntu defaults to much
[17:49] <ogra> hmm, so running an ubuntu userspace on the nslu2 immediately kicks me out after showing motd :(
[17:55] <suihkulokki> ogra: I guess this extra ubuntu stuff is installed after debootstrap ?
[17:56] <ogra> suihkulokki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch ... calls debootstrap, switches to qemu, does the second stage, sets up a user, locales and timezone and install the set of packages you give it ... (in this case only ubuntu-minimal)
[17:57] <ogra> and yes, its a bunch more stuff being started than in the d-i lenny slug install
[17:58] <ogra> but not enough to prevent a login, i think there shoud still be enough spare ram to run bash
[17:58] <suihkulokki> because I was under the impression that debootstrap for ubuntu and debian are almost identical
[17:58] <ogra> right
[17:58] <suihkulokki> so I guess the bloat is in ubuntu-minimal
[17:59] <ogra> well, the seond stage simply installs the ubuntu-minimal metapackage in ubuntu
[17:59] <ogra> i wouldnt call it bloat :)
[17:59] <ogra> its console-setup, klogd and some other essential settings
[18:00] <ogra> the fun is that i actually see motd ... but then get bunped to login again
[18:00] <ogra> *bumped
[18:01] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/115708/
[18:01] <ogra> thats the ubuntu boot after leaving initramfs
[18:02] <ogra> not actually a lot more than the debian boot .... and no MTA
[18:03] <suihkulokki> indeed
[18:03] <suihkulokki> perhaps there is some too funky bash config there
[18:04] <suihkulokki> ie. try changing the user shell to dash
[18:04] <ogra> yeah, i'll do that
[18:04] <ogra> though it works fine on all other arms i tried it on yet ....
[18:05] <suihkulokki> slug is a bit stretch on what makes sense for running a general purpose distro
[18:06] <ogra> heh, yeah, 30M is something i havent seen in quite some time
[18:08] <ogra> nope, dash doesnt help ...
[18:08]  * ogra kills the startup links for syslog and klogd
[18:13] <ogra> aha, an error message
[18:13] <ogra> init: ttyS0 main process ended, respawning
[18:13]  * ogra checks his serial console setup again
[18:14] <ogra> heh
[18:15] <ogra> ok, its just me having been silly setting up the proper upstart stuff
[18:17] <ogra> putting -L into the getty line somewhat helps :P
[18:20] <ogra> hrm, but still doesnt let me in
[18:22] <ogra> sigh ... apex doesnt let me set init=/bin/bash ? pfft
[18:23] <ogra> grrr, what a crappy HW
[18:28] <ogra> oh
[18:28] <ogra> readonly fs ... hmm
[18:49]  * ogra adss lots of swap to exclude ram issues
[18:49] <ogra> GRRRRR
[18:50] <ogra> no go :(
[18:51] <Stskeeps> how much ram does the slug have anyway?
[18:57] <ogra> 30M
[18:57] <ogra> but it has 256M swap now
[18:57] <ogra> so its not ram thats the issue
[18:58]  * ogra curses ... i'd so love to know what that is
[18:59] <ogra> and that shitty bootloader doesnt let you change the cmdline on boot, you can only change it with apex-utils
[18:59] <ogra> from the running system ... to which i cant log in to
[19:01] <ogra> so booting with init=/bin/bash literally means to replace init each time i test something and need eth live HW
[19:01] <ogra> *the
[19:22] <ogra> hmm, so unsetting the rootpw gets me in as root
[19:22] <ogra> but still no way to do it as user
[20:46] <ogra> ah, well, so the ubuntu basic system with additionally running sshd uses up 7M
[20:46] <ogra> nt to bad
[20:46] <ogra> *not
[21:34] <ogra> root@nslu2:~# sudo -u ogra ls
[21:34] <ogra> Killed
[21:34] <ogra> hmm