[00:16] <asac> fta: sry .. i fell asleep
[00:17] <asac> fta: yes, NM cannot tell which network you are on until we have modemmanager
[00:17] <asac> the standard is just two non-standard to punch all the modems into NM core
[11:19] <paran> fta: I tried firefox 3.1 b3 from the daily PPA, same result with instant segfault.
[11:21] <paran> then I created a intrepid chroot using debootstrap, in there 3.1 b3 works.
[11:22] <paran> so now I have to try and figure out what it is on my system that triggers this :/
[14:52] <asac> fta: personally, I never had a locked SIM card in my modem though i entered wrong pin multiple times. In worst case it should ask you for PUK
[15:16] <saivann> asac : Any news about bug 324635 ?
[15:45] <asac> fta: your pic is the only one that is broken on the identi.ca subscrptions
[15:46] <asac> saivann: it looked good. unfortunately in the middle of reviewing it my system went down and i had it in /tmp ;)
[15:46] <asac> so now i have to redo stuff
[16:23] <saivann> asac : No problem, ping me if needed :)
[16:27] <asac> BUGabundo: so is ffox 3.1 working for you again?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> YAY
[16:28] <BUGabundo> thanks asac
[16:28] <BUGabundo> I'm now on daily builds too
[16:28] <BUGabundo> so I'll be nagging you guys a bit more
[16:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:28] <BUGabundo> 3.2 is starting to mess even more addons
[16:28] <BUGabundo> :(
[16:35] <asac> BUGabundo: you could help by using the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/NormalizedBugFormat when filing bugs ;)
[16:35] <asac> once i set stuff to triaged you can even forward upstream ;)
[16:35] <asac> bugzilla.mozilla.org account required for that obviously
[16:36] <BUGabundo> yay... more bug work /sarcasm
[16:36] <BUGabundo> today, even before breakfast I filled 4 bugs...
[16:36] <BUGabundo> I guess I need to catch up on a low week
[16:36] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[16:37] <asac> cool :) ... please ensure that you dont have incompatible addons enabled :) ... i guess you disabled maxversion checks, right ?
[16:37] <asac> e.g. when you see a bug check that it also happens in safe-mode
[16:37] <asac> if i know that you do that, i dont need to ask that everytime i process a bug of you ... e.g. saves us 1 round ;)
[16:38] <BUGabundo> asac: I have something like 48 addons
[16:38] <BUGabundo> most non suported
[16:38] <BUGabundo> I run nightly tools so they all work
[16:38] <BUGabundo> SPAM ALERT:
[16:38] <BUGabundo> Adblock Filterset.G Updater 0.3.1.3
[16:38] <BUGabundo> Adblock Plus 1.0.1
[16:38] <BUGabundo> Add N Edit Cookies 0.2.1.3
[16:38] <BUGabundo> Better Gmail 2 0.7.2
[16:38] <BUGabundo> Better GReader 0.5.2
[16:41] <asac> BUGabundo: yes. thats why i am saying: run in -safe-mode and reproduce your issue before filing
[16:41] <asac> that helps to keep good bug ratio higher ;)
[16:42] <BUGabundo> asac: I usually just run a new profile
[16:42] <BUGabundo> by the way
[16:42] <BUGabundo> do you have any idea what weave now uses?
[16:42] <asac> thats ok too then. if you always do that its good
[16:42] <BUGabundo> can I get it installed localy?
[16:42] <asac> BUGabundo: you mean on server side?
[16:42] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:42] <asac> BUGabundo: they have their own crappy server ... yes, you can run that locally
[16:43] <asac> BUGabundo: i just ended up in issues because i tried to use sqlite
[16:43] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:43] <asac> if you have no problem using mysql it should work
[16:43] <BUGabundo> I tried the old webdav
[16:43] <BUGabundo> but never managed to login
[16:43] <asac> that doesnt work anymore
[16:43] <asac> you need the new server which is somewhat streamlined for the weave task
[16:43] <asac> so somewhat a mix of DAV and their individual extensions
[16:44] <asac> but their server is in the weave hg repo
[16:44] <asac> so just a matter of setting it up
[16:44] <BUGabundo> you lost me
[16:44] <BUGabundo> so I'll ask again: what does it run ?
[16:44] <asac> BUGabundo: nothing to get lost
[16:44] <asac> BUGabundo: get the source code for weave
[16:44] <asac> and there is a server code directly
[16:44] <asac> then you will see
[16:44] <BUGabundo> weave server ?
[16:45] <asac> you can deploy that on apache
[16:45] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[16:45] <BUGabundo> do you have a link at hand?
[16:45] <asac> hg.mozilla.org/labs
[16:45] <asac> there is weave i think
[16:45] <asac> oh there is even weaveserver ;)
[16:45] <asac> use hg clone or use the zip/targz links on top to get a snapshot
[16:46] <asac> needs apache, python, mysql and maybe something else i cant remember
[16:46] <asac> err s/python/php/
[16:47] <BUGabundo> downloading now
[16:47] <BUGabundo> I have it all
[16:47] <BUGabundo> will it build now, on 64 bits?
[16:47] <asac> then this should be easy ;)
[16:47] <BUGabundo> I remember you patch something to help with it
[16:48] <asac> BUGabundo: yes that patch is probably still required ... not sure if someone made a package out of it now
[16:48] <asac> in firefox-extensions
[16:48] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/115675/
[16:48] <asac> BUGabundo: ^^
[16:49] <asac> if that doesnt apply cleanly anymore, just fiddle around a bit ;)
[16:49] <asac> but i guess it does
[16:49] <BUGabundo> 3UK4Lcfktk?nJi?V=tK>l_JUzQcZ?*KxGh%O^c ztv#F-z|_D7W2Z19n^(#P(GM460Sb12q~-t_Q$dU!K*mB4V;7LI7R1=oke
[16:49] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:49] <asac> BUGabundo: heh. just ingore that part
[16:49] <asac> i mean its their problem that they included a binary file in their hg tree
[16:50] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:50] <BUGabundo> weave and weave server extracted
[16:50] <BUGabundo> so I just patch the weave
[16:51] <BUGabundo> and copy the server version to my www dit
[16:51] <BUGabundo> *dir
[16:51] <BUGabundo> and then build weave addon?
[16:54] <fta2> asac, can I force n-m to ask me the PIN somehow?
[17:00] <asac> fta2: check the thread ... i would like to see the serial debug first
[17:01] <asac> BUGabundo: server side is your task to find out ... i cant remember what i did
[17:02] <asac> i think you also need to edit some php config file to tell the server where the store is etc.
[17:02] <fta2> great, at leasdt now i know how to debug nm... will try that on my own broken sim.
[17:02] <BUGabundo> and how to patch it?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I get confused by looking
[17:02] <fta2> -d
[17:02] <BUGabundo> at your diff
[17:02] <asac> fta2: yeah. some modems have wierd AT commands and responses
[17:03] <asac> BUGabundo: save stuff to file ... remove the binary part from top and run pach -p1 < /path/to/file/you/downloaded.patc
[17:03] <asac> patch
[17:03] <fta2> asac, is nm able to unlock the sim now? i mean, providing I enter the puk
[17:04] <asac> fta2: the code for asking for PUK is there ...
[17:05] <BUGabundo> weave-1de167aec23c$ patch -p1 < plain
[17:05] <BUGabundo> patching file src/Makefile
[17:05] <fta2> hmm.. the daily of gwibber is not very active.. :P
[17:05] <asac> if you hvae a provider lock (e.g. you use your SIM with a modem from a different provider) this isnt the issue at all
[17:05] <asac> BUGabundo: sounds right
[17:06] <BUGabundo> now I follow this again https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Weave/Building
[17:07] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6/sdk
[17:07] <BUGabundo> is this it??
[17:08] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6/sdk/bin/xpidl -m header -I/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6/sdk/idl IWeaveCrypto.idl
[17:08] <BUGabundo> make[1]: /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6/sdk/bin/xpidl: Command not found
[17:08] <BUGabundo> make[1]: *** [IWeaveCrypto.h] Error 127
[17:08] <BUGabundo> or not
[17:09] <BUGabundo> ln -sf `pwd`/../defaults/preferences/sync.js /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6//bin/defaults/pref/sync.js # fixme!!
[17:09] <BUGabundo> ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6//bin/defaults/pref/sync.js': Permission denied
[17:09] <BUGabundo> make[1]: *** [test-install] Error 1
[17:09] <BUGabundo> sudo it?
[17:09] <asac> [reed]: somewhat "asac" user doesnt have an email on wiki.mozilla.org
[17:09] <asac> [reed]: any chance to see if that could be me?
[17:11] <asac> BUGabundo: remove the "sdk/" ?
[17:11] <asac> from the path you pass as sdk ;)
[17:11] <BUGabundo> did it
[17:11] <BUGabundo> got the second error
[17:11] <BUGabundo> sudo it, got another
[17:11] <BUGabundo> Makefile:144: No 'sdkdir' variable given
[17:11] <BUGabundo> Makefile:145: It should point to the location of the Gecko SDK
[17:11] <asac> BUGabundo: urg. please dont sudo it ;)
[17:11] <BUGabundo> do I need to clean it?
[17:11] <BUGabundo> to late
[17:12] <fta2> lol
[17:12] <fta2> BUGabundo, didn't I say that sudo whatever was evil?
[17:12]  * BUGabundo noob efect: doesn't work: sudo it
[17:12] <asac> BUGabundo: now you need to find all the files created
[17:12] <BUGabundo> only not enough times
[17:12] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:12] <asac> and remove them manually
[17:12] <asac> to get back to a maintainable state
[17:12] <asac> ;)
[17:13] <BUGabundo> ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6//bin/defaults/pref/sync.js': Permission denied
[17:13] <BUGabundo> from here and behond?
[17:13] <fta2> it's useful when you know why you need it for, not to solve something you don't understand
[17:13] <asac> BUGabundo: yes, that link. and also what happened afterwards might be subject for removal
[17:14] <asac> BUGabundo: so what command do you run for building?
[17:14] <BUGabundo> bin
[17:14] <BUGabundo> idl
[17:14] <BUGabundo> include
[17:14] <BUGabundo> lib
[17:14] <BUGabundo> sdk
[17:14] <BUGabundo> xpcom-config.h
[17:14] <BUGabundo> what stays, what goes?
[17:14] <asac> i doubt that you run that for building ;)
[17:14] <BUGabundo> they all have todays time stamp
[17:15] <asac> BUGabundo: not sure what you pasted
[17:15] <BUGabundo>  this : !ls /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6
[17:15] <asac> BUGabundo: dirs get a timestamp
[17:15] <asac> when a file inside is modified
[17:15] <asac> you need to find which files inside where changed
[17:15] <BUGabundo> bah
[17:16] <BUGabundo> apt-get remove --purge?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:16] <asac> BUGabundo: that will not help either
[17:16] <BUGabundo> no?
[17:16] <BUGabundo> messy me
[17:16] <asac> it will only remove the files form the package ... if you manually create files they will not get removed, but stay forever
[17:17] <asac> anyway. builds for me
[17:17] <asac> without even sudo
[17:17] <BUGabundo> sure
[17:17] <asac> you didnt read the build instructions as it seems
[17:17] <BUGabundo> but then I can remove the ones that are too much
[17:17] <BUGabundo> what instructions?
[17:17] <BUGabundo> from the wiki?
[17:19] <BUGabundo> I know see I folowed the one not for ubuntu
[17:19] <asac> BUGabundo: other packages create files and links below xulrunner-1.9 too
[17:19] <asac> yes from wiki
[17:19] <asac> make sdkdir=/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0*/ xpi
[17:19] <asac> works
[17:19] <asac> i guess you didnt read the complete line ;)
[17:19] <asac> and forgot the xpi
[17:20] <asac>  make sdkdir=/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.1 xpi
[17:20] <asac> thats what is on the wiki
[17:20] <asac> you probably just did
[17:20] <asac>  make sdkdir=/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.6
[17:20] <asac> hehe
[17:20] <asac> yeah
[17:21] <asac> BUGabundo: learn to invest a bit more time up front (e.g. read details) and you will save yourself bunch of follow up work
[17:21] <asac> anyway ;)
[17:21] <asac> let me know whether the server works for you ;)
[17:22] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Weave/0.3/Setup/Server trying the server now
[17:25] <BUGabundo> adding
[17:25] <BUGabundo> Alias /0.3/user /var/www/weave/server/index.php
[17:25] <BUGabundo> Alias /weave/register /var/www/weave/server/register.php
[17:37] <fta2> bug 191889
[17:37] <fta2> hmmm
[17:40] <asac__> fta2: if you use NM that shouldnt be an issue
[17:40] <asac__> or if you dont use it at all (e.g. uninstalled)
[17:48] <asac> fta2: did you get a serial debug log yet?
[17:50] <fta2_> yes
[17:50] <fta2_> reading it right now
[17:51] <asac> fta2: you filed the jemalloc thing upstream right ... can you link that bug to bug 319480 please?
[17:53] <fta2> i'll do that from home, not very handy here, even in 1st class
[17:55] <asac> fta2: let me ponder bugzilla
[17:57] <fta2> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/115704/ (left=NOK, right=OK), that's the end of the logs, i tried with 2 different SIM cards in the same usb key
[17:58] <fta2> so it's fine up to the CHAP auth, then boom
[17:58] <fta2> ok, i have to hand up, i'm about to arrive. cu later.
[17:59] <fta2> hang
[18:00] <asac> fta2: what do you have NetworkManager: <debug> [1234114356.551458] nm_ppp_manager_start(): Command line: /usr/sbin/pppd node
[18:00] <asac> i need the full line
[18:00] <asac> also the /etc/ppp/options
[18:00] <fta2> will do, later :)
[18:00] <fta2> ++
[18:03] <asac> sure
[18:21] <surfaz> n
[18:22] <BUGabundo> asac: its not going easy
[18:22] <BUGabundo> its installed and configured
[18:22] <BUGabundo> but something is not working yet
[18:23] <asac> yeah ... i know that feeling ;)
[18:24] <asac> i think you need to create some directories and something
[18:24] <asac> and set them in config
[18:25] <BUGabundo> I followed ALL that the wiki says
[18:26] <BUGabundo> going besark here
[18:26] <BUGabundo> log show nothing
[18:26] <BUGabundo> tried both 3.2 and 3.0
[18:26] <BUGabundo> all new profiles
[18:27] <BUGabundo> I guess this is one of those things that is not meant to work
[18:28] <BUGabundo> bah
[18:29] <asac> ask on #weave on moznet
[18:30] <BUGabundo> they won't be very helpful
[18:30] <BUGabundo> but I could try
[18:32] <BUGabundo> done
[18:32] <BUGabundo> bug guys at #labs
[18:39] <asac> yeah
[18:39] <asac> #labs
[18:39] <asac> why wont they be helpful?
[18:39] <asac> their wiki instructions are outdated or bogus ;)
[18:39] <asac> or at least not deterministic ;)
[18:46] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:46] <BUGabundo> ZERO replies on #labs until now
[18:52] <asac> guess better chance to get answer on monday american business hours
[18:53] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:53] <BUGabundo> bah
[18:53] <BUGabundo> if no one replies I'm there
[18:53] <BUGabundo> I'll just forget weave
[18:53] <BUGabundo> *maybe* someday it _will_ work
[18:54] <BUGabundo> I would really like to merge all my profiles history
[18:54] <BUGabundo> but its not worth all the trouble
[18:54] <BUGabundo> I guess I could hack into the DB with sqlite, *after* I learn the DB model
[18:59] <BUGabundo> Recommended:FireFox2,Safari3,Google Chrome,InternetExplore6sp2
[18:59] <BUGabundo> LOL
[18:59] <BUGabundo> what? no FF3
[19:02] <fta> back
[19:03] <fta> asac, I do 7->9->3 instead of 7->8, so i fail something in step 7
[19:05] <fta> asac, no 'pppd mode' line
[19:05] <fta> oh, node
[19:06] <fta> asac, NetworkManager: <debug> [1234114356.551458] nm_ppp_manager_start(): Command line: /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach lock nodefaultroute ttyUSB0 noipdefault usepeerdns lcp-echo-failure 0 lcp-echo-interval 0 ipparam /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/PPP/0 plugin /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.4/nm-pppd-plugin.so
[19:06] <fta> same for both
[19:06] <fta> lcp-echo-failure 0, hmmm
[19:07] <fta> [Sun 19:00] asac: also the /etc/ppp/options <= vanilla, i never touched it
[19:07] <BUGabundo> [OT] guys check this out http://www.chamap.net/
[19:08] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/115742/
[19:13] <BUGabundo> lol fta
[19:13] <BUGabundo> coulndt find your avatar!
[19:14] <fta> asac, last time i touched ppp/options was when i was still using 56k, definitely not with this laptop :P
[19:14] <fta> BUGabundo, this service is not for me, and it looks almost empty
[19:15] <BUGabundo> sure its new
[19:15] <BUGabundo> but the geo tagging is really nice
[19:16] <fta> it's based on dns, so it's far from accurate
[19:16] <BUGabundo> well mine really close
[19:16] <fta> ff 3.1 has a geolocalization feature in it
[19:16] <BUGabundo> great
[19:16] <fta> you need to allow it to send your location
[19:17] <fta> privacy
[19:17] <fta> and it randomizes a bit the gps coordinates
[19:17] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:17] <BUGabundo> great to know
[19:18] <fta> you need to have a gps or to enter the coordinates manually
[19:20] <fta> BUGabundo, http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/09/geolocation-support-added-to-firefox-31/
[19:22] <fta> http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/10/introducing-geode/
[19:24] <fta> http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/mozilla-labs-geode-follow-up/
[19:27] <fta> this one is interesting: http://dougt.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/fuzzing-a-geolocation/
[20:05] <fta> asac, about bug 242244, you (or seb) said it's a patch we introduced in gtk2, I can't find it, do you where it is? I'd like to revert it, at least locally, to see what happens
[20:32] <fta> -thunderbird-3.0 (3.0~b1+nobinonly2-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[20:32] <fta> +thunderbird-3.0 (3.1~a1~hg20090208r1892+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[20:33] <fta> hm, it tb3 final out? or is it two branches like ff ?
[20:33] <fta> is
[20:41] <fta> mozilla bug 469835
[20:43] <fta> what a mess
[21:43] <[reed]> asac: yeah, I'll take a look in a sec
[23:25] <fta> dtchen, gasp, the sound in openarena is unbearable.
[23:25] <fta> dtchen, with luke's ppa
[23:29] <fta> dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/115804/
[23:30] <fta> dtchen, and mplayer with ao=alsa is broken. it mutes the sound applet
[23:31] <fta> dtchen, ao=pulse works slightly better than before but ao=alsa was better
[23:31] <BUGabundo> what isn't broken with sound on recent ubuntu sound servers?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:31] <BUGabundo> don't let me even start with bluetooth
[23:36] <fta> asac, looks like my SIM card is not locked after all, i put it in my cell phone, it's fine. so it's something else, n-m ? my provider ?