| fta | seems those 'events suppressed' are what's making the sound crappy /w alsa | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| fta | E: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_45e_29_noserial | 00:52 |
| fta | E: module-hal-detect.c: D-Bus error while parsing HAL data: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchProperty: No property info.capabilities on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_45e_29_noserial_if0 | 00:52 |
| asac | fta: my guess is that its ppp ... need your /etc/ppp/options and the command line arguments for pppd you see in syslog | 09:45 |
| asac | fta: so lets create thunderbird-3.1.head ;) | 10:03 |
| asac | I don't think we should build that yet daily ... but well; if its just a matter of adding a line to your build config, just do that i would say | 10:04 |
| fta | <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/115742/ | 10:09 |
| fta | asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 10:11 |
| asac | fta: and the command line? (it was cut off in the log paste you gave me) | 10:11 |
| fta | tb3 needs a better nss in hardy/intrepid | 10:11 |
| fta | asac, NetworkManager: <debug> [1234114356.551458] nm_ppp_manager_start(): Command line: /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach lock nodefaultroute ttyUSB0 noipdefault usepeerdns lcp-echo-failure 0 lcp-echo-interval 0 ipparam /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/PPP/0 plugin /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.4/nm-pppd-plugin.so | 10:12 |
| fta | <fta> same for both | 10:12 |
| fta | ..SIMs | 10:12 |
| gnomefreak | hmmmmmm | 10:14 |
| fta | asac, i guess you're not getting the error logs of the daily ppa, right? | 10:15 |
| asac | fta: seems not ... hmm | 10:23 |
| gnomefreak | was the last meeting in september? | 10:23 |
| asac | cant find anything to subscribe | 10:24 |
| asac | gnomefreak: probably yes. | 10:24 |
| gnomefreak | ok im gona clear adgenda and fix link in topic | 10:24 |
| gnomefreak | what are we doing with NCommander's Membership request? | 10:26 |
| asac | gnomefreak: drop it | 10:27 |
| asac | or ping him | 10:27 |
| asac | gnomefreak: he probably is on -motu or -devel | 10:27 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 10:27 |
| fta | asac, this is a problem then (the logs) | 10:29 |
| asac | yeah | 10:29 |
| asac | fta: asked on #launchpad | 10:31 |
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| gnomefreak | we really need tinyurl back in repos | 10:42 |
| * gnomefreak goes for smoke since nothing is working atm. | 11:02 | |
| BUGabundo | eheh gnomefreak... smoking is bad | 11:03 |
| BUGabundo | you should _want_ to stop | 11:03 |
| gnomefreak | ok now i can go for smoke and coffee and maybe breakfast ;) | 11:36 |
| asac | fta: filed a bug | 11:39 |
| asac | fta: 327134 | 11:39 |
| asac | bug 327134 | 11:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 327134 in soyuz "add support to subscribe to PPA uploads/build failures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327134 | 11:39 |
| AnAnt | Hello, why is the xulrunner package not synch'ed with Debian ? | 11:44 |
| AnAnt | I see xulrunner & xulrunner-1.9 source packages in Ubuntu | 11:44 |
| AnAnt | I see xulrunner (1.8) & xulrunner-1.9 source packages in Ubuntu | 11:44 |
| AnAnt | while the xulrunner in Debian (testing & unstable) is 1.9 | 11:45 |
| asac | AnAnt_: because xulrunner in debian is a mess ;) | 11:57 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: ok, I have a problem, I need the libmozjs 1.9 | 11:58 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: yet it does not exist in Ubuntu | 11:58 |
| gnomefreak | none of our packages are synced from debian normall we push ours to debian at lease some of them | 11:58 |
| asac | AnAnt_: yes. thats intentional. libmozjs is not a first-class lib as there are no ABI/API guarnatees upstream | 11:58 |
| gnomefreak | ok back to morning break | 11:58 |
| asac | we will work on improving that together with upstream | 11:59 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: well, is that the reason that in Debian libmozjs 1.9 is libmozjs1d (not 0d as in 1.8) ? | 12:00 |
| asac | AnAnt_: no. thats ok if it was underlined by an official upstream policy; the problem is that there is even no guarantee that 1.9.0.7 will have no ABI breakage over 1.9.0.6 | 12:01 |
| asac | so debian tries to track ABI/API (like you said with libmozjs1d ...), but nobody has a plan what happens if a security update breaks it | 12:01 |
| asac | i think its unlikely that this happens, but we have to stay hard so upstream starts thinking about proper ABI procedures for mozjs | 12:02 |
| asac | AnAnt_: didnt we talk about all this before? | 12:02 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: we did ? | 12:03 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: we talked about firefox plugins before | 12:03 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: extensions that is | 12:03 |
| AnAnt_ | so, Debian guys weren't hard about that matter, right ? | 12:04 |
| asac | AnAnt_: yes. its most likely ok. but not suitable for our main archive | 12:05 |
| asac | AnAnt_: also if we do that we break upstream binary compatibility too | 12:05 |
| asac | which debian doesnt care about either | 12:05 |
| asac | e.g. stuff build against debian mozjs wont work with upstream builds or anywhere else | 12:06 |
| asac | AnAnt_: so the goal is that upstrea mozjs gets proper so version and ABI/API policy | 12:06 |
| asac | once thats there we will make mozjs a standalone packjage | 12:06 |
| asac | AnAnt_: which app needs mozjs? | 12:07 |
| asac | AnAnt_: if its for universe you can use the approach google-gadgets took -> e.g. use a glue | 12:07 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: elinks (for javascript support) | 12:07 |
| asac | but thats not suitable for main | 12:07 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: it's a special build that I do by myself | 12:07 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: neither the debian nor ubuntu packages of elinks enable javascript support | 12:08 |
| asac | AnAnt_: i would suggest that you robb the google-gadget glue code ... in that way your builds will work on all distros that have a proper xulrunner build | 12:08 |
| AnAnt_ | asac: what do you mean by "use a glue" ? | 12:08 |
| asac | AnAnt_: look in google-gadgets | 12:08 |
| asac | and what they do | 12:08 |
| asac | AnAnt_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116019/ | 12:09 |
| asac | thats in google-gadgets. you need to steal them, build and link them statically against your stuff and maybe adjust the codec | 12:09 |
| asac | well ... most likely | 12:10 |
| asac | if you are not a developer you need to ask upstream about that | 12:10 |
| AnAnt_ | steal them ? | 12:10 |
| AnAnt_ | isn't it GPL ? | 12:10 |
| AnAnt_ | or so | 12:10 |
| asac | look at the files. stealing == copying | 12:10 |
| AnAnt_ | ok | 12:11 |
| asac | (without breaching licensing of course)= | 12:11 |
| AnAnt_ | in this case, I won't need to get mozjs 1.9 ? | 12:12 |
| asac | AnAnt_: you need to depend on xulrunner-1.9 then ... yes. | 12:15 |
| AnAnt_ | huh ? | 12:16 |
| AnAnt_ | oh, ok | 12:16 |
| asac | AnAnt_: http://identi.ca/notice/2208082 ... hope we get a solution for jaunty+1 | 12:36 |
| gnomefreak | asac: i got to thinking about patch in SM2. if i edit it in /mozilla/ it wont apply. i'm fairly sure we cant edit it in our debian/patches dir. and if so autoconf will fail(i think) is there an easy way around this? | 12:48 |
| asac | gnomefreak: sorry ... let me fix | 12:50 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 12:50 |
| asac | gnomefreak: ok committed ... rev 192 | 12:52 |
| gnomefreak | thanks. damn that was fast | 12:53 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i had it fixed here ... just forgot to committ on friday | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 12:55 |
| asac | it was just a strip-leve thing in the patch | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | ok gonna let it build ill be back to check on it in a bit. | 13:28 |
| AnAnt | asac: thanks for the help, I decided that the glue would be too much, so I fixed the upstream code to be compatible with mozjs 1.8 (I just had to comment a single line) | 13:46 |
| asac | AnAnt: well 1.8 will die now ;) | 14:07 |
| asac | it has to be removed from #jaunty | 14:08 |
| asac | actually should already have happened in intrepid | 14:08 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ping | 14:16 |
| BUGabundo | is there a wiki page I can bookmark | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo | to know EXACLY how to debug NM connection time outs? | 14:17 |
| BUGabundo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager is this it? | 14:21 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yes but that doesnt/cannot give you infos on all | 14:36 |
| gnomefreak | bug 214366 | 14:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 214366 in mozilla-thunderbird "Can't delete a folder if Trash already contains a folder of the same name" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214366 | 14:38 |
| gnomefreak | what the hell i cant put upstream tb bug on LP bug | 15:02 |
| gnomefreak | what link should i be using? | 15:02 |
| fta2 | asac: feel free to fix tb3, otherwise, it will keep failing everyday | 15:02 |
| fta2 | gnomefreak, you can't, it's not in the repo yet | 15:03 |
| gnomefreak | fta2: tb 2 is | 15:03 |
| fta2 | oh, thought you meant tb3 | 15:03 |
| fta2 | nm | 15:03 |
| gnomefreak | cant link to upstream bug report | 15:03 |
| asac | fta2: do you use .head for all ? | 15:04 |
| gnomefreak | ok that did it :) | 15:05 |
| fta2 | asac, yes, fix head, the bot will catch it | 15:05 |
| fta2 | asac, you wont see the daily bump in .head, it's in .daily | 15:06 |
| gnomefreak | asac: mark the bug you forwarded upstream from bug 214366 since mozilla bug 66763 was already reported | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 214366 in thunderbird "Can't delete a folder if Trash already contains a folder of the same name" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214366 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 66763 in Backend "Deleting a folder fails when there is already a folder with the same name in Trash" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66763 | 15:08 |
| gnomefreak | s/from/as a dupe/ | 15:08 |
| gnomefreak | i cant mark dupes upstream | 15:10 |
| asac | fta2: yeah. but i guess the build failure is not new on hardy/intrepid ... so .head will do | 15:11 |
| fta2 | yes | 15:11 |
| fta2 | well, b1 worked | 15:11 |
| fta2 | hm, maybe not, my ppa has a fresh nspr/nss couple | 15:11 |
| asac | yeah. probably | 15:15 |
| asac | i will commit the fix | 15:15 |
| asac | just want to get the proper orig ;) | 15:15 |
| fta2 | get it from the daily ppa | 15:23 |
| sveinung | Why is Firefox 3.0.6 in the jaunty archives and in the bazaar branches for Intrepid and Hardy but not in their archives (as in security) yet? | 15:24 |
| sveinung | Anywhere I can get it? | 15:24 |
| sveinung | (without building it myself from the bazaar branches) | 15:25 |
| sveinung | Or is the security problems fixed in 3.0.6 not relevant for Ubuntu? | 15:25 |
| sveinung | (Sorry if I sound inpolite, English is not my first language) | 15:26 |
| asac | sveinung: please help ou ttesting | 15:30 |
| asac | sveinung: we have a security preview archive | 15:30 |
| sveinung | where can I help? | 15:30 |
| asac | add that to your sources and keep it ... when you have issues you should always escalate here | 15:31 |
| asac | sveinung: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive | 15:31 |
| asac | sveinung: take that ... add that to sources.list | 15:31 |
| sveinung | asac: thank you | 15:31 |
| asac | sveinung: there is also a testplan | 15:31 |
| asac | sveinung: if you could run that it would be grate | 15:31 |
| sveinung | link? | 15:31 |
| * asac looks | 15:32 | |
| asac | sveinung: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA | 15:32 |
| gnomefreak | i fucking hate LP | 15:50 |
| gnomefreak | is ther eno upstream info for seamonkey? only thing i get is chatzilla when i change it to seamonkey it gives me our package | 15:53 |
| asac | gnomefreak: maybe | 15:54 |
| asac | let me check | 15:54 |
| gnomefreak | for some reason its not letting me mark it upstream | 15:54 |
| gnomefreak | bug 327214 is the problem one | 15:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 327214 in seamonkey "seamonkey does not support gpg signing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327214 | 15:54 |
| asac | fta2: can you hand over seamonkey maintainer ship to mozillateam :) ... and update the package info ;) so the bugs get automatically a good upstream target | 15:55 |
| gnomefreak | ah thatsd why | 15:55 |
| gnomefreak | i needed to report another bug but cant recall on what :( | 15:55 |
| gnomefreak | good news SM2 is still building :) | 15:56 |
| * gnomefreak wonders what i have to do to get upstream duplicate powers | 16:00 | |
| fta2 | asac, I just changed the maintainer | 16:01 |
| asac | thanks | 16:04 |
| gnomefreak | still no way to do it | 16:04 |
| gnomefreak | if i add Seamonkey it doesnt give me upstream option | 16:05 |
| asac | gnomefreak: ok i think it should work now | 16:05 |
| asac | try again | 16:05 |
| gnomefreak | nope | 16:06 |
| gnomefreak | got it | 16:06 |
| gnomefreak | took a littl etime for it to change | 16:06 |
| gnomefreak | ok off to wait for build to finish its freezing me up too much | 16:08 |
| paran | fta2: I just figured out what caused the firefox 3.1b3 instant segfault on my machine | 16:12 |
| paran | fta2: I had a pacakge named "libxul-dev" installed. after removing that it works fine, currently running 3.1 from the daily ppa | 16:13 |
| fta2 | hm, so the pkg-config files were mixed up | 16:13 |
| fta2 | asac, how come your tb3 patch will help? it will move to dep-wait, that's it. or did I miss something? | 16:15 |
| sveinung | asac: I did step 1 to 10 on the testplan on Firefox 3.0.6. Since I don't use GNOME I can't do step 11. I also tested the plugin Gnash on youtube, and VLC on Wikimedia commons. Gnash on Youtube worked, VLC worked for a time once without finishing and once crashing Firefox | 16:15 |
| sveinung | except that all worked | 16:15 |
| asac | sveinung: ok. so is vlc a regression? | 16:17 |
| asac | or did you get those with 3.0.5 too? | 16:17 |
| asac | fta2: yes you missed something ;) | 16:17 |
| asac | fta2: i touched rules not control | 16:17 |
| asac | hence, "soft-depends" like i named it in changelog | 16:17 |
| sveinung | asac: I think I also had it in 3.0.5 | 16:17 |
| asac | sveinung: thats ok then. we are mostly intersted in regressions | 16:18 |
| asac | thats the focus of all the -security testing | 16:18 |
| asac | sveinung: are you running hardy? | 16:18 |
| asac | or intrepid? | 16:18 |
| dorgan | anyone know how to get the from address of a selected message? | 16:18 |
| sveinung | asac: Intrepid | 16:18 |
| BUGabundo | asac: do you have a min? | 16:19 |
| asac | BUGabundo: ask ... and i will decide ;) | 16:20 |
| asac | i have to run to post-office as my tax declaration had missing parts which are now overdue | 16:20 |
| asac | will run in 5 minutes after this security stuff has finished and i can give it a quick test | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | just need guidelines on how to debug NM | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingNetworkManager | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | been reading this | 16:21 |
| BUGabundo | I'm at Tokamak, and the eduroam here is not connecting | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | with PPA NM | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | now a friend arrived | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | and can't connect either with interpid | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | thought you might want fresh logs | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | from ibex and jaunt | 16:22 |
| asac | BUGabundo: what type of accesspoint is that? | 16:22 |
| asac | a b g n? | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | and yes, I know u want new bugs for jaunty to new reports | 16:22 |
| BUGabundo | let me check nm-tools | 16:23 |
| asac | well nm-tools doesnt show if you are not connected i presume | 16:23 |
| BUGabundo | ah | 16:23 |
| asac | check whether iwconfig gives a hint | 16:23 |
| asac | when associated | 16:23 |
| BUGabundo | so if I can't connect (or at least autenticate) | 16:23 |
| BUGabundo | how can I know? | 16:23 |
| asac | what is that wpa-psk ? or -eap? | 16:24 |
| BUGabundo | eduroam: Infra, 00:1C:C5:7B:14:D0, Freq 2412 MHz, Rate 54 Mb/s, Strength 51 WPA WPA2 Enterprise | 16:24 |
| asac | BUGabundo: manually wpasupp works? | 16:25 |
| BUGabundo | let me ask my friend | 16:25 |
| asac | and chipset also | 16:25 |
| BUGabundo | kill NM first? | 16:25 |
| BUGabundo | intel iwl 3945 | 16:25 |
| BUGabundo | kill NM first? | 16:26 |
| asac | BUGabundo: for manually? sure | 16:26 |
| asac | kill NM and wpa | 16:26 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 16:26 |
| BUGabundo | wpa_suplicant -i ipw bla bla? | 16:27 |
| asac | BUGabundo: on that chipset for some disable_hw_scan=1 helps as module parameter | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo | where is that? | 16:28 |
| asac | BUGabundo: read the wpasupplicant README.modes.gz | 16:28 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 16:28 |
| asac | BUGabundo: add the option from above to /etc/modprobe.d/options for your chipset | 16:30 |
| asac | ok have to run now | 16:30 |
| BUGabundo | bye | 16:31 |
| dorgan | anyone know the overlay in thunderbird for viewing a message | 16:32 |
| dorgan | i am trying to extract the from/to/subject of the currently selected message | 16:32 |
| gnomefreak | asac: what is your user name on bugzilla? | 16:48 |
| * gnomefreak finally figured out how to follow you | 16:49 | |
| gnomefreak | im going to lunch. Sm 2 succeeded will push it after lunch to PPA. | 16:56 |
| gnomefreak | also does tb support hotmail, yahoo and friends? | 16:56 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | gnomefreak: asac at jwsdot.com | 17:47 |
| gnomefreak | thanks | 17:50 |
| gnomefreak | cant push unreleased to PPA :( | 18:14 |
| gnomefreak | fixing than pushing than off for a bit maybe take this afternoon and spend with amily | 18:14 |
| asac | fta: oh also if you want ppp debugging (probably one of the causes) add "debug" to /etc/ppp/options | 18:20 |
| jcastro | fta: hey, can you push your updates from now on into the "debian" branch for gwibber instead of "packaging"? | 19:18 |
| jcastro | fta: for gwibber I mean | 19:18 |
| fta | jcastro, do you mean *.packaging is dead now? | 19:18 |
| fta | i use it for the daily builds | 19:19 |
| jcastro | I didn't know you were making daily builds! | 19:19 |
| fta | jcastro, https://edge.launchpad.net/~gwibber-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:20 |
| jcastro | oh dude, neat! | 19:21 |
| jcastro | fta: if you push your changes into just "debian" then I'll make builds like weekly or something based off of it | 19:21 |
| fta | where is that branch? | 19:22 |
| fta | i need to see if my bot is able to use it | 19:22 |
| jcastro | lp:~gwibber-team/gwibber/debian | 19:22 |
| jcastro | fta: you have all this automated? | 19:22 |
| fta | yes, i'm not crazy ;) | 19:23 |
| jcastro | got all that up someplace? | 19:23 |
| jcastro | WANT. | 19:23 |
| fta | same as https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 19:23 |
| fta | i'm tired of updating my own ppa, and i'm good at scripting so here we are | 19:25 |
| jcastro | fta: have you chatted with james_w at all? He wants to do this as part of distributed development | 19:26 |
| fta | jcastro, hm, it's flat, my bot is not able to use it as it is | 19:27 |
| fta | jcastro, over gwibber, yes, when he announced he was writting a spec about the same thing | 19:27 |
| james_w | yeah, I'm still drafting it :-) | 19:27 |
| jcastro | ah, he's here. :p | 19:27 |
| james_w | I was going to chat to you when I had something ready to look at | 19:28 |
| jcastro | ok I just wanted to make sure you were both aware of each other | 19:28 |
| james_w | it sounds more and more like you've already done it all though :-) | 19:28 |
| fta | i had the daily PPA in mind for a long time, even before PPA ever existed, even before i joined ubuntu | 19:28 |
| fta | well, i have two scripts doing all the work, with a few requirements | 19:29 |
| asac | i would think that our scripts are as of now quite tailored to the way we do maintain branches and how our get-orig-source is implemented | 19:30 |
| fta | i need a package maintained in bzr, and if it's not native, it should have a get-orig-source target that knows how to fetch and name a fresh tarball, and it should be mergeable with bzr bd --merge | 19:31 |
| fta | that's all about it | 19:32 |
| asac | fta: ok. so what is next is probably a quick "probe if something new exists" | 19:32 |
| fta | it does that too | 19:32 |
| asac | so you dont need to pull full sources in case there is no fresher tarball | 19:33 |
| fta | right | 19:33 |
| asac | fta: is that probe quick? is that available as a separate "functioN" ? | 19:33 |
| fta | no | 19:33 |
| asac | no function or not quick? ;) | 19:33 |
| asac | ? | 19:33 |
| fta | not separate and in fact, it's still pulling the sources, preferably from a local branch, before it realizes there's no new snapshot available | 19:34 |
| fta | yet, it still checks for updates in the packaging branch | 19:35 |
| asac | fta: yeah. i think when thats fixed without pulling sources we could ask james_w to provide hooks so we can plug-in your logic at some point in his "full ubuntu" thing | 19:35 |
| fta | so the debian branch from jcastro doesn't fit, it doesn't work for the bzr bd --merge step | 19:35 |
| asac | james_w: in your plans: do you have a quick-probe for new stage? or are you using "get latest" and then check whether thats newer than existing? | 19:36 |
| fta | asac, not sure, my stuff is half in shell, half in perl.. I think james_w wants 100% python or something | 19:36 |
| james_w | asac: don't know | 19:37 |
| fta | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-scripts | 19:37 |
| asac | james_w: can you comment on that? do you need everything to be reimplemented in python? | 19:37 |
| james_w | preferably | 19:38 |
| asac | so preferably != mandatory ;) | 19:38 |
| james_w | it will be useful to have access to bzrlib for one thing | 19:38 |
| fta | (you can ignore build-ppa.pl for now, it's not used by the bot) | 19:38 |
| james_w | well, it's mandatory I guess | 19:38 |
| fta | yeah, i figured that out a long time ago, lp = python | 19:38 |
| james_w | thanks for the scripts though, I'll look at how they work | 19:39 |
| asac | james_w: is it realistically that we get mozilla daily builds within a year? | 19:39 |
| james_w | that's up to you guys, or someone else | 19:40 |
| asac | now that we have our own, i dont really think its urgent ;) | 19:40 |
| james_w | I'm not going to maintain them | 19:40 |
| fta | james_w, don't bother reading the code, i plan to write a small spec when i can find so time | 19:41 |
| james_w | cool | 19:41 |
| asac | james_w: ok different viewpoint: when will the framework land so someone could start to impelement the mozilla backend parts etc. | 19:41 |
| asac | ? | 19:41 |
| james_w | it's a spec for jaunty | 19:42 |
| asac | k | 19:42 |
| asac | james_w: well. the spec reads "proof of concept" ;) | 19:43 |
| asac | i would think mozilla wouldnt be part of that ;) | 19:44 |
| asac | still drafting | 19:45 |
| asac | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/daily-upstream-builds-poc | 19:45 |
| fta | asac, from UDS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty/Report/Foundations (look for "Daily Upstream Builds POC") | 19:45 |
| fta | "For 9.04, we will do a simple proof of concept with a small number (approx. 5) of upstream projects." | 19:46 |
| asac | yeah. so a year seems not that too far away | 19:46 |
| fta | "however the projects we choose will also depend on the anticipated difficulty in implementation" :) the mozilla packages are probably on the difficult side | 19:47 |
| asac | especially considering that things that involve launchpad often take ages to sink in | 19:47 |
| fta | yeah, that's why i finally decided to start with my own bot | 19:47 |
| fta | and my own server | 19:48 |
| fta | i will be limited by disk space if i start doing archives, not by bandwidth | 19:49 |
| fta | nor by cpu, unless i add a lot more packages | 19:49 |
| fta | for ff and xul, i think it's good enough, for tb (and sm, sb, chromium, ..) it needs more work as sources come for several vcs, my local branch feature is not enough | 19:51 |
| asac | ok resurrected from swap o rama | 20:07 |
| asac | reset button pushed | 20:07 |
| fta | where/when did you quit? | 20:08 |
| asac | fta: i have everything in my irssi | 20:24 |
| asac | just couldnt answer ;) | 20:24 |
| asac | i disabled swap now | 20:25 |
| asac | rather want OOM kills | 20:25 |
| fta | my desktop experience has never been so bad | 20:31 |
| fta | asac, tb3.1 means forking the tb3 branch | 20:33 |
| fta | it's the same comm-central, by different xul | 20:34 |
| fta | moz1.9.1 for tb3 and moz-central for tb3.1 | 20:34 |
| asac | fta: hmm. sounds like thats not the final setup | 20:46 |
| asac | fta: lets wait until upstream has forked comm-central or something | 20:47 |
| asac | fta: if its the same comm-central, how do you get the 3.1? thought that client.py just gets whatever is right for that branch | 20:47 |
| fta | they said they want their nightly based on moz-central | 20:47 |
| fta | mozilla bug 469835 | 20:47 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 469835 in Build Config "Change version number to 3.1a1pre for Thunderbird comm-central+mozilla-central builds" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469835 | 20:47 |
| fta | there's an ugly hack in there: version.txt vs version-191.txt | 20:48 |
| fta | so it's easy for me to use in mozclient .conf | 20:48 |
| asac | hmm | 20:55 |
| asac | ok | 20:55 |
| asac | i dont care much then for 3.1 ... i guess 3.1 will take 4 years ;) | 20:55 |
| BUGabundo | by then, I'll be using what? | 20:56 |
| BUGabundo | 5.2 ? | 20:56 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 20:56 |
| asac | only $DEITY knows that | 20:56 |
| fta | gwibber crashed, again | 21:02 |
| fta | now, i can't connect anymore | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 21:08 |
| BUGabundo | for me, its identica | 21:08 |
| BUGabundo | it won't connect | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | jaiku and tw are fine | 21:09 |
| fta | oh, good, i'm not alone then | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | but it was just now | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | in the last 2 hours | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | maybe something is bad on identica servers | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | altough XMPP works | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | identichat and gwiber don't | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | humm API change? | 21:09 |
| asac | i doubt it | 21:21 |
| asac | identi.ca is just under high load imo | 21:21 |
| asac | but #gwibber crashing isnt really good imo ;) | 21:21 |
| BUGabundo | lots of my Apps crash | 21:22 |
| BUGabundo | when I have HUGE IO | 21:22 |
| BUGabundo | pidgin, gwibber, kmail, blablalbla | 21:22 |
| BUGabundo | bad coding I guess | 21:22 |
| BUGabundo | I should file bugs against that, but it would fall under wish bugs or something | 21:23 |
| fta | that's also my view of bugs in lp, they won't move unless you move them yourself. sad | 21:24 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 21:25 |
| BUGabundo | if I really care for a bug, I have to nag the QA team or the mantainers | 21:25 |
| BUGabundo | and I really hate to nag ppl | 21:26 |
| BUGabundo | _as you have found from what I do here on the # _ | 21:26 |
| asac | errr ... "Microsoft's decision to limit Windows 7 Starter Edition to running only three concurrent applications" | 21:28 |
| fta | reminds me of windows 2 :) | 21:29 |
| asac | crazy | 21:29 |
| BUGabundo | ROFL | 21:29 |
| asac | i mean i thought windows 7 could really be a good thing and compete with ubuntu | 21:29 |
| asac | but now that i read this ;) | 21:29 |
| * asac wonders how users feel when the first dialog pops up stating: "ETOOMANYAPPSRUNNING: select which one to kill: firefox, word, skype" | 21:30 | |
| asac | or icq + skype ;) | 21:30 |
| fta | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_2.0.png | 21:31 |
| asac | the firefox/IE -> done | 21:31 |
| asac | now open word -> ETOOMANYAPPS | 21:31 |
| asac | or even chrome: open 3rd tab -> two many processes running ;) | 21:31 |
| asac | i think now i get why windows 7 will be less resource hungry and better suitable for netbooks ,) | 21:31 |
| asac | its similar to thought we had for the classmate PC and restricting ffox to just have 3 tabs ;) | 21:32 |
| asac | because 4 tabs would cause the system to lock down due to mem consumption | 21:32 |
| asac | amazing | 21:32 |
| fta | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 => that's LTS ! Release date: November 1985, Unsupported as of December 31, 2001 | 21:32 |
| asac | heh | 21:33 |
| asac | depends on what "support means" ;) | 21:33 |
| asac | most likely "hey, i have windows 1 and have this problem; A: please upgrade to windows 2" | 21:33 |
| asac | now its "hey, i have windows 1 and have this problem; a: we dont support windows 1 anymore (hangs up)"! | 21:34 |
| asac | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/246859/windows-7-a-nonstarter-on-netbooks.html | 21:34 |
| asac | "Microsoft says the restriction is designed to ensure that users get the best possible performance from limited netbook hardware." | 21:35 |
| asac | hah | 21:35 |
| asac | just like i said for the classmate | 21:35 |
| asac | just that MS is either incompetent or pretending | 21:35 |
| fta | more likely, "hold on, we're sending you a sales squad by jet" | 21:35 |
| asac | probably ... but only if you have more thatn 100 installs i guess ;) | 21:35 |
| * asac dancing | 21:50 | |
| asac | ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA is getting converted to a non-virtualized PPA ;) | 21:50 |
| asac | right now | 21:50 |
| asac | with all archs even !!!! | 21:50 |
| asac | fta: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa O_O | 21:51 |
| asac | look! | 21:51 |
| asac | hppa + powerpc sparc ia64 ... all spinning | 21:51 |
| fta | hmm | 21:52 |
| fta | it's not a regular ppa then | 21:52 |
| asac | 22:50 < asac> ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA is getting converted to a non-virtualized PPA ;) | 21:53 |
| asac | fta: ^^ | 21:53 |
| fta | oh, good for you | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo1 | humm the PPAs were/are virtual machines? | 21:55 |
| asac | yeah | 21:55 |
| asac | xen instances afaik | 21:56 |
| asac | they get trashed after every build for security reasons | 21:56 |
| fta | yep, xen | 21:56 |
| asac | sandbox etc | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo1 | great | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo1 | didn't know | 21:57 |
| fta | and the same hardware could be used for PPA or re-assigned to build other stuff, on-demand | 21:58 |
| asac | fta: what do you mean? | 21:59 |
| asac | afaik xen isnt available on all the other archs | 21:59 |
| fta | the list of ppa machines varies as they get preempted for other tasks | 21:59 |
| fta | so they come and go in the list of builders | 22:00 |
| asac | ah yeah. most likely each xen instance has a name | 22:00 |
| fta | https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds | 22:00 |
| asac | heh. everything idle except my builds | 22:01 |
| fta | but not on the ppa machines, you're in the "Official distribution build machines" | 22:01 |
| asac | right. thats what i ment | 22:02 |
| asac | well the ppa builds have bunch of idle too | 22:02 |
| fta | depends, it's sometimes crowded | 22:02 |
| asac | yeah. most likely when folks start to build their own kernels ;) | 22:03 |
| asac | oh there is a intellinuxgraphics-2008q4 ppa | 22:03 |
| fta | and they also keep dep-wait forever, there are hundreds now, retrying every 30min | 22:03 |
| asac | at least i see it building | 22:03 |
| asac | fta: how do you get that list? | 22:03 |
| fta | which list? | 22:03 |
| asac | fta: list of dep-wait packages | 22:04 |
| asac | so you can say "hundreds" | 22:04 |
| asac | or are you guessing from what you see on +builds? | 22:04 |
| fta | there's no public list, I just watch this page often enough | 22:04 |
| fta | i'm not really guessing, i can see the queue refilling itself twice per hour with the same packages | 22:05 |
| fta | and when i click, some are retrying since 2007 | 22:05 |
| fta | i asked 10+ times the lp guys to do something about it, nothing happened | 22:06 |
| fta | it's a waste of resources | 22:06 |
| fta | it's not green :) | 22:06 |
| asac | fta: yeah | 22:12 |
| asac | lets file a bug: "PPAs contribute to environmental hazard" | 22:13 |
| fta | p-a is a total mess right now | 22:30 |
| asac | hmm | 22:41 |
| asac | i have my boxes connected to PS3 ;) | 22:41 |
| asac | fta: does alsa alone work? | 22:41 |
| fta | not for everything | 22:42 |
| asac | well. i mean except for parallel streams ;) | 22:42 |
| fta | my testbed is openarena or mplayer while building something | 22:48 |
| fta | with the new p-a, the sound from openarena is being rate limited | 22:53 |
| fta | W: ratelimit.c: 305 events suppressed | 22:53 |
| fta | crazy | 22:53 |
| fta | asac, pm please | 22:56 |
| fta | gwibber still out :( | 23:32 |
| fta | boom, ff3.2 crashed | 23:42 |
| fta | 5 weeks away from work, not sure i'll be allowed to do that in one row | 23:43 |
| fta | oops | 23:44 |
| fta | gasp, the storm is close now, they announced it really bad, indeed it's bad and right on time :P | 23:53 |
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