[16:56] <FyshY> i have a 10yrd computer and need a linux distro that will work well with its epuiptment and suggestions ?
[17:00] <thorwil> FyshY: strange place to ask. but of the ubuntu flavors, xubuntu is meant to be light-weight, good for old hardware
[19:20] <toros> hi
[19:26] <qense> hello
[19:30] <toros> Ubuntu-wanted starts in 30 minutes? :)
[19:32] <qense> yes
[19:32] <toros> great \o/ - Some months ago we (hungarian loco) wanted to create a feature on our loco site similar to ubuntu-wanted...
[19:33] <toros> but we never made it
[19:34] <qense> I had thoughts for adding localisation features to Ubuntu Wanted, but I never really wrote something down, especially because of a lack of time.
[19:35] <qense> When we've got something up and running you could always set up a local instance, but we'd have to implement translation support first, although the t() function is already called most of the times.
[19:39] <toros> qense: localisation would be a nice feature later, but now I'm happy that ubuntu-wanted exists
[19:39] <toros> will be there some official announce?
[19:41] <qense> What about? The existance of UW or it's deployment?
[19:42] <qense> I'm not even sure if we'll get a subdomain, maybe it's just going to be a community project, independent from Ubuntu/Canonical's main websites.
[19:43] <toros> about the existance of UW... I would write about it on our LoCo site
[19:45] <qense> It has already been announced and I'm already working on it.
[19:45] <qense> It's just that since I'm the only developer, the development is slow.
[19:46] <qense> I do write reasonable regulary about it on my blog and new revisions in my development branch get published to Identi.ca
[19:47] <toros> and what's the actual url? still this? http://ubuntu-wanted-devel.ideatorrent.org/
[19:47] <qense> the project page is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntuwated
[19:48] <qense> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-wanted actually
[19:48] <qense> I've created some blueprints so people can see what roughly needs to eb done.
[19:49] <qense> the site at ideatorrent.org is the stable branch being apached
[20:00] <qense> who's here for the meeting?
[20:01] <MadsRH> I'm here!
[20:01] <qense> yay! the themer's here!
[20:01] <qense> /ping nand
[20:01] <qense> :)
[20:01] <qense> toros, do you want to join as well?
[20:02] <qense> OK, since MadsRH is already here I think it would be the best to start with the theme.
[20:03] <MadsRH> Would be great if nand (Nicolas Deschildre) was here to discuss the inter- menubar
[20:03] <qense> there are a lot of people on at #ubuntu-meeting, we could hijack that channel  ;)
[20:04] <MadsRH> sounds fine to me :-D
[20:04] <nand> hello?
[20:04] <toros> qense: I'm just listening... :)
[20:04] <qense> ok
[20:04]  * nand is reading the backlog
[20:05] <qense> do you know if jcastro was going to attend as well? He did said he was going to research some front page designs at the UDS, but I've heard nothing from him since.
[20:05] <qense> He is on at #ubuntu-meeting, so if we'd move to that channel we could easily ping him.
[20:07] <nand> you may just ping him, not sure he will be here
[20:07] <nand> what's the agenda?
[20:07] <qense> the new theme mock-up by MadsRH
[20:07] <qense> how to gain developers
[20:07] <qense> and the limitation of the feature scope
[20:07] <qense> I thought it would be good to finish technical discussion that we didn't finish at the UDS.
[20:08] <qense> Especially the team/LP integration needs some talking.
[20:08] <qense> I'll PM jcastro to ask
[20:08] <qense> Did you see the latest mock-up?
[20:09] <MadsRH> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg
[20:09] <jcastro> hi!
[20:09] <jcastro> sorry I am late
[20:09] <qense> welcome
[20:09] <qense> we were just starting
[20:10] <nand> waah, nice mockup
[20:10] <nand> hello
[20:10] <qense> We have three points this meeting: this mock-up: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg
[20:10] <qense> gaining manpower
[20:10] <qense> and some design discussion we didn't finish at the UDS, especially team/LP integration and permission stuff seem important to me
[20:11] <qense> What would we think of converting this mock-up to a Drupal theme for Ubuntu Wanted?
[20:11] <jcastro> I think it looks fine
[20:12] <qense> I really like it, but I'm not sure about the inter website navbar.
[20:12] <jcastro> though
[20:12] <jcastro> what do we think about having help available as the default view?
[20:12] <jcastro> I am concerned that this will just be a flood of people looking for help
[20:12] <nand> may be a better way to introduce people yeah...
[20:12] <jcastro> and not people signing up TO help
[20:13] <jcastro> otherwise I think you'll ge a bunch of "My project needs programmers"
[20:13] <qense> you could indeed question the relevance of the latest of all tasks to visitors
[20:13] <jcastro> which would be a waste because every project needs programmers, etc.
[20:13] <qense> jcastro, you said you would look into some designs for UW after the UDS. Did you find some spare time to do so?
[20:14] <jcastro> I did but they all sucked
[20:14] <jcastro> this one seems the best so far tbh
[20:14] <jcastro> though I think the simplicity of craigslist might work too
[20:15] <qense> would that be understandable for people new to contributing to Ubuntu?
[20:15] <jcastro> it might be too cluttered
[20:16] <qense> It's a bit like Gnome Do, powerful, but you have to know how to use it.
[20:16] <qense> Maybe MadsRH's style together with a small help thing at the frontpage would be the best.
[20:17] <jcastro> is there a link to what he proposed?
[20:17] <qense> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg
[20:17] <qense> that's the latest mock-up we've got
[20:17] <qense> so far only MadsRH has created mock-ups
[20:17] <jcastro> ah
[20:17] <nand> jcastro: MadsRH is here btw
[20:18] <MadsRH> :-)
[20:18] <jcastro> I think that looks great
[20:18] <qense> How would the side menus look with a small help text -- possible with nice icons -- in the centre?
[20:18] <jcastro> I would make it obvious like
[20:18] <jcastro> "Find help"
[20:18] <jcastro> and "Donate help" or something
[20:19] <qense> we don't have enough manpower for the donate help part yet ;)
[20:19] <jcastro> heh
[20:19] <qense> I'm currently the only dev
[20:19] <MadsRH> We talked about a front page long ago: http://madsrh.googlepages.com/wanted-site2.jpg
[20:19] <qense> that was also a nice design, but the three things aren't equal of sort
[20:20] <jcastro> hey I like that one
[20:21] <jcastro> I like the idea of big buttons
[20:21] <qense> hello knome
[20:21] <knome> 'lo
[20:21] <knome> hi everybody o/
[20:21] <qense> big buttons often prevent confusion\
[20:21] <nand> hey!
[20:21] <jcastro> so it's obvious that you're either looking for help, or offering help
[20:21] <qense> yeah
[20:21] <qense> we're talking about these two mock-ups: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/attachments/20090207/eedcaa67/attachment-0001.jpg and http://madsrh.googlepages.com/wanted-site2.jpg
[20:22] <knome> ok.
[20:22] <knome> maybe we could integrate these two designs.
[20:22] <qense> I think using the second one as a frontpage would be nice, once we have both parts.
[20:22] <qense> and the subparts with the first
[20:23] <qense> however, we need something to theme first
[20:23] <qense> what if we'd use the first mock-up at first and once we've got something more add the second one as a frontpage?
[20:24] <jcastro> or once we play with it add the buttons up top or somethin
[20:24] <jcastro> I think we'll figure that out as we play with it
[20:24] <qense> that's also a nice suggestion
[20:24] <knome> maybe we should just fire up an xhtml mockup of this.
[20:24] <qense> use the upper part of the second mock-up as a menu bar
[20:25] <qense> Last time I saved all theme files as HTML and sent it to MadsRH, he edited it and I converted it back to a Drupal theme.
[20:25] <qense> But I'm not sure if that's the best solution. :)
[20:26] <knome> i can do png/jpg -> drupal
[20:26] <qense> Is there someone who would be able to guide MadsRH through the process of converting the mock-up to XHTML?
[20:26] <qense> with PHP template stuff in it
[20:26] <knome> i can
[20:26] <qense> Maybe it would also be better to start over again since the current Ubuntu theme contains a lot of clutter.
[20:26] <knome> i don't know much about phptemplate, but i have quite an experience with drupal.
[20:26] <knome> however...
[20:26] <knome> i think it still would make sense to do a basic html mockup first
[20:27] <knome> because it's way easier to edit
[20:27] <qense> true
[20:27] <jcastro> I would think the theme doesn't matter, get the guts working first
[20:27] <knome> and you don't have to think about breaking things.
[20:27] <jcastro> and polish at the end?
[20:27] <knome> sure, but the theme needs to be worked on as erll.
[20:27] <knome> *well
[20:28] <MadsRH> If knome would help out that would be great :-) then qsense can focus on the code
[20:28] <qense> what if knome and MadsRH would start working on the theme alongside the development?
[20:28] <qense> I have no time for theming
[20:28] <jcastro> yeah that's fine
[20:28] <knome> that's ok, but i suppose i will be quite busy also.
[20:28] <jcastro> I was just saying, it's way too early to nitpick on the themes
[20:28] <knome> i have time next weekend.
[20:28] <knome> jcastro, you're right.
[20:28] <qense> yeah
[20:29] <MadsRH> so, we will just be using the current theme until knome and I have something new?
[20:29] <knome> but i think, to make a good site and a theme, we need to know which kind of information we want to show
[20:29] <knome> but also we have to think about the theme when we are creating the content
[20:29] <knome> so the theme has suitable places to put things in
[20:30] <qense> I created a blueprint for the task, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWanted/Tasks
[20:30] <qense> If we would use that page to document all kinds of information being shown
[20:30] <qense> there is more information in other blueprints at the LP project page
[20:31] <qense> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wanted
[20:31] <qense> do we basically agree on this subject?
[20:31] <qense> I think it's time to move on to another important subject.
[20:32] <MadsRH> agreed
[20:32] <knome> +
[20:32] <jcastro> nod
[20:32] <qense> OK, next point: gaining manpower
[20:32] <qense> especially developers
[20:33] <qense> At the moment I'm the only developer.
[20:33] <jcastro> we could post on ubuntu wanted!
[20:33] <qense> that has been suggested before.
[20:33] <knome> well, i'm open to helping out.
[20:33] <knome> (as i pointed out at UDS)
[20:33] <MadsRH> jcastro -> :P funny!
[20:33] <knome> but i've been busy and will be until april at least
[20:34] <qense> If you give me enough time it will eventually be finished some time, but its code won't have been reviewed by another person at all.
[20:34] <qense> Which isn't good practise according to me.
[20:34] <qense> We need to somehow attract more PHP developers.
[20:34] <jcastro> ok
[20:35] <jcastro> let's each blog, find people in loco's, etc.
[20:35] <qense> I already regularly blog about it and ask for help, but I didn't get much response so far.
[20:35] <jcastro> and everytime we have a meeting each of us can report
[20:35] <MadsRH> qense -> didn't you get any reply from the ubuntu-website team?
[20:35] <qense> I got a mail from one person, but he didn't reply after I had sent him a mail.
[20:36] <qense> I'm going to ask in Ubuntu NL and other people I see, but that's it.
[20:36] <qense> well, there isn't much that can be discussed about this as long as there is no Ubuntu Wanted.
[20:36] <jcastro> this should just be an ongoing effort by everyone
[20:36] <qense> yes
[20:37] <qense> ok, next point?
[20:38] <jcastro> sure
[20:38] <qense> At the UDS we didn't finish talking about team/LP integration.
[20:39] <jcastro> yeah
[20:39] <jcastro> so, I was chatting with someone this week
[20:39] <jcastro> forgot who
[20:39] <jcastro> and I think for the Wanted portion of the site
[20:39] <jcastro> (not the people donating time)
[20:39] <jcastro> that it should be tied to a /project/ in lp
[20:39] <jcastro> so when they click on "My project needs help" or whatever
[20:40] <knome> i have to go now. i'll read the log later. see you.
[20:40] <jcastro> it has to be an existing project on lp and the person requesting should be in that team
[20:40] <qense> bye knome
[20:40] <qense> thank you for attending
[20:40] <jcastro> so we don't get random "Xorg needs programmers" type stuff
[20:40] <knome> np.
[20:40] <jcastro> have a good one knome!
[20:40] <qense> what team?
[20:40] <qense> the driver?
[20:40] <jcastro> the team for the project
[20:40] <jcastro> so like, if I submit one for gwibber I would have to be in gwibber-team
[20:40] <knome> jcastro, you too.
[20:40] <jcastro> or whatever group owns "gwibber"
[20:41] <qense> that would also widen the scope from Ubuntu Community to Ubuntu and its software
[20:41] <qense> and it would make it harder for teams like the bugsquad or translation teams to post tasks
[20:41] <jcastro> hmm, I see what you mean
[20:41] <qense> but ti is an interesting idea
[20:42] <qense> I do think a lot of projects would benefit from such a service.
[20:42] <jcastro> let's keep that in our heads as a "2.0" idea or something then
[20:43] <qense> maybe we'd have to rename it to OpenWanted if we'd allow that :)
[20:43] <qense> anyway, is team integration necessary?
[20:43] <jcastro> I would think so
[20:43] <qense> Or is writing the team's name in the task's body enough?
[20:44] <jcastro> that's kind of fundamental on how ubuntu works
[20:44] <qense> yeah
[20:44] <qense> at the moment team integration would allow this: searching for tasks by team, application management for team administrators, assigning teams to tasks
[20:44] <qense> especially application management would be useful
[20:44] <jcastro> nod
[20:45] <jcastro> anything else?
[20:45] <jcastro> I need to hit another meeting here shortly
[20:45] <qense> ok
[20:45] <qense> however, at the moment the application form is a mail form and there isn't any LP integration
[20:46] <qense> I think we'd better stick witht he current idea for team integration for now
[20:46] <jcastro> I agree
[20:46] <qense> I'll have another look at the Drupal LP plugins soon.
[20:47] <qense> that's probably it
[20:47] <qense> for now I just need to start coding :)
[20:47] <qense> to code a lot
[20:47] <jcastro> \o/
[20:47] <jcastro> hero
[20:47] <qense> coffee! :P
[20:48] <qense> I'm going to finish the rewrite of the model system soon, I just have to implement updating the data in the controller.
[20:48] <MadsRH> qense -> what language should people be able to write if they want to contribute? PHP?
[20:48] <qense> after that I can work on adding LP integration
[20:49] <qense> MadsRH: You don't really need to have to write it fluently, just understanding it with help of the only code reference would be good enough
[20:49] <qense> just make sure you understand the basic logic so you can work with Drupal themes
[20:50] <MadsRH> okay
[20:50] <qense> well, lets officially end this meeting now
[20:50] <qense> thank you for attending
[20:53] <qense> the basic conclusion is: lets start to do some work
[20:53] <jcastro> heh
[20:53] <jcastro> so we can just idle in here then?
[20:54] <qense> in this channel? yes
[20:54] <qense> I'll be off soon
[20:56] <qense> I'm going offline now, bye everyone!