| RAOF | Oh, balls. | 04:43 |
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| RAOF | I'd like to sync a newer nouveau snapshot from Debian (bugfixes, ability to run without kernel component), but that requires libdrm-nouveau1 to be built from libdrm sources. | 04:45 |
| tjaalton | bryce: thanks! | 04:52 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: if you'd wrap up a patch for it.. ;) | 04:52 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: libdrm? I might. | 04:54 |
| tjaalton | yep | 04:59 |
| bryce | heya tormod | 15:18 |
| tormod | hi bryce | 15:18 |
| bryce | how goes? | 15:18 |
| tormod | well, thanks. and quite busy :) | 15:19 |
| bryce | yep, seems to be going around ;-) | 15:20 |
| tormod | did you look at my logging patch ? | 15:20 |
| bryce | I did, but only briefly (just flew home from sprint in berlin and still a bit jet lagged) | 15:21 |
| bryce | offhand it looked good, I think it can be done | 15:21 |
| tormod | u-dev sprint? | 15:21 |
| bryce | yep | 15:21 |
| tormod | did you also go to fosdem? | 15:21 |
| bryce | nope | 15:22 |
| tormod | I wanted to go this year, but - too busy | 15:22 |
| bryce | ETOOMUCHTRAVEL ;-) | 15:22 |
| tormod | well I hope you can consider my logging patch, because your log patch... how can I say it? | 15:23 |
| bryce | ?? | 15:24 |
| tormod | the log becomes a bit too scrambled | 15:25 |
| bryce | scrambled? | 15:25 |
| tormod | mixed up with timestamps everywhere in the middle of lines | 15:25 |
| bryce | hrm | 15:25 |
| tormod | maybe it's a bit ddx dependent, surely looks bad on radeon | 15:26 |
| tormod | see for example this log with my patch: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22291743/13.%20Xorg.0.log.patched.WORKING | 15:27 |
| bryce | do you have an example of a bad log? | 15:28 |
| tormod | was just looking for one, not here. must be some on launchpad? | 15:29 |
| bryce | fwiw, I can't actually take credit for the patch - it was written by canonical's oem team. but definitely something I've wanted in there | 15:29 |
| jcristau | i guess the problem is LogVWrite can be called with something that's not a full line | 15:32 |
| tormod | or worse, there was something written before LogVWrite was called | 15:32 |
| jcristau | same thing :) | 15:33 |
| tormod | jcristau, sort of :) I proposed to move the time stamp to logWriteVerb | 15:34 |
| bryce | jcristau: is x log timestamping something debian would take a patch for? | 15:34 |
| mnemo | bryce: any idea when the drm kernel patch for the "temporary intel freezes" will be commited to jaunty? --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/320813/ | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/320813/+text) | 15:35 |
| tormod | jcristau: see bug #285787 | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/285787/+text) | 15:36 |
| bryce | mnemo: yes in fact I talked with Tim about that last week; he's planning on waiting until upstream has reached a final decision on what they're going to take | 15:36 |
| tjaalton | mnemo: when linus pulls it in his tree | 15:36 |
| tjaalton | (hi) | 15:36 |
| bryce | heya tjaalton | 15:36 |
| mnemo | bryce: airlie has sent that patch to linus already | 15:36 |
| jcristau | bryce: i'd rather see it go upstream, i think. debian specific patches -> fail. | 15:36 |
| tjaalton | mnemo: yes, but linus hasn't pulled that yet | 15:36 |
| mnemo | aah okay | 15:36 |
| bryce | jcristau: fair enough | 15:37 |
| tormod | I also think ubuntu-specific X log format = fail | 15:37 |
| tjaalton | bryce: howdy | 15:37 |
| tjaalton | I can reproduce the "maxclient patch breaks compiz on nvidia" -bug | 15:37 |
| bryce | tormod: then maybe we should drop the patch at beta | 15:37 |
| bryce | tjaalton, I see coincidentally ajax has started talk of some XID fixup for 11.1 | 15:38 |
| tjaalton | bryce: where's that? | 15:41 |
| bryce | tjaalton: xorg-devel@ | 15:41 |
| tjaalton | aww, need to subscribe to that | 15:42 |
| bryce | Subject: XC-MISC / X-Resource / core protocol extension proposal | 15:42 |
| jcristau | tormod: seen my reply to your acer quirk patch? | 15:42 |
| tormod | jcristau: yes, saw it, will respond a bit later | 15:43 |
| jcristau | ok :) | 15:43 |
| tormod | bryce: apropos X startup performance, I just finished a 55 comment long debugging in bug 319363 - turned out gdm switched to failsafe because the computer took more than 10 seconds to start the mga driver... | 15:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 319363 in xorg "Can not get 1024x768 video mode by undetected monitor and Matrox G100 8MB graphics adapter" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/319363 | 15:45 |
| tjaalton | haha | 15:45 |
| tormod | 333 P2 that was :) | 15:45 |
| tormod | guess what I feel about failsafeX | 15:47 |
| bryce | patches welcomed | 15:47 |
| bryce | actually that's probably not failsafe-x but rather gdm | 15:50 |
| bryce | if not for failsafe-x, you'd end up on the old ncurses error screen | 15:50 |
| bryce | tormod: ok, your log patch fix uploaded | 15:58 |
| tormod | bryce: maybe the timeout in gdm (ok that is gdm's fault I guess) should be scaled with cpufreq :) | 15:59 |
| jcristau | tormod: maybe whatever is taking 10 seconds to start X should be fixed... | 16:01 |
| tormod | it's just that failsafeX makes debugging a bit more difficult. Maybe LP could scan the logs and mark them if they are VESA logs. | 16:01 |
| tormod | jcristau: the PC is just that old | 16:01 |
| bryce | tormod: in what way does it make it more difficult? the failsafe-x scripts are quite simple and if there are ways they can be improved, I'd love to hear | 16:02 |
| tormod | it creates misunderstandings in the bug reports - well it could be just me. So many times I have to explain that I don't want that VESA log but I need the other log and the user can't find it or create one and so on. | 16:05 |
| tjaalton | it's true.. | 16:05 |
| tormod | But I have learned as well: now I ask them to boot with "text" and run xinit | 16:05 |
| tormod | BTW a trick for getting info in the event of a "black screen" for instance: xinit -e 'sh -c "xrandr --verbose > log" ' | 16:07 |
| bryce | tormod: hrm, but I force that log to Xorg.failsafe.log. They still include that one? | 16:07 |
| bryce | tormod: cool, added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen | 16:09 |
| maco | the stuff wgrant was doing with moving features into syndaemon in october, that gets rid of the need for SHMConfig and synclient, right? | 16:30 |
| maco | (at least for the features that have been migrated, i mean) | 16:34 |
| tormod | bryce, did you notice xorg-server build broke? | 17:11 |
| tormod | libgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx (>= 7.3) but it is not going to be installed | 17:11 |
| tormod | oh I guess it only broke on anything !386 | 17:12 |
| bryce | tormod: no didn't notice that | 17:13 |
| bryce | tormod: link? | 17:13 |
| tjaalton | it has been broken for ports some time now | 17:15 |
| bryce | ah ok. amd64 too? | 17:15 |
| tjaalton | nothing to see, move along.. | 17:15 |
| tjaalton | no, amd64 is fine | 17:15 |
| bryce | seemed to build ok on amd64 | 17:15 |
| tjaalton | so is armel and lpia | 17:15 |
| bryce | ok, yeah I know about those breakages | 17:15 |
| tormod | sorry for the noise, I haven't got xorg-server build reports for a long while :) | 17:16 |
| bryce | ok no prob | 17:17 |
| bryce | better to have a few false alarms than be delayed in solving a build breakage issue | 17:17 |
| tormod | bryce, keeping the log patch until Beta sounds like a good idea | 17:19 |
| bryce | tormod: btw I booted with the original log patch and see the issues you described | 17:22 |
| tormod | bryce: you didn't test it before you uploaded it :) | 17:24 |
| bryce | tormod: you caught me :-) | 17:24 |
| tormod | ok I am not so angry at failsafeX any longer, since the original log should be in that failsafe tarball | 17:25 |
| bryce | at the sprint, with sucky wireless, was hard to do testing | 17:25 |
| maco | but easy to upload big files? ;) | 17:26 |
| tormod | you have a dev sprint without good internet connection? that's funny | 17:26 |
| bryce | maco: a) .dsc's are small files to upload, and b) I do build and upload on my home machine | 17:27 |
| tormod | probably to keep you working and not watching youtube | 17:27 |
| bryce | tormod: oh it was horrible, I was lucky to be connected most of the time | 17:27 |
| maco | i forgot only the .dsc had to go | 17:27 |
| maco | at uds, you mean? | 17:27 |
| maco | too many geeks, not enough bandwidth for all of 'em | 17:27 |
| bryce | maco, no dev sprint | 17:27 |
| bryce | yeah partly it was overloaded, partly there weren't enough AP's for all the rooms | 17:28 |
| bryce | can I complain about the chairs too? sitting in them all week + bad airplane seats on way home = threw out my back yesterday when I got home. Owwww :-( | 17:30 |
| * maco hands bryce a cookie | 17:30 | |
| maco | and a bag of ice | 17:30 |
| bryce | thanks maco :-) | 17:30 |
| bryce | oh on positive note, I got lucky and got to sit in 1st class on trip home. sat 2 seats away from Clive Owen. that was cool | 17:31 |
| maco | my version of the equivalent sort of luck is running into Dan Kaminsky on Saturday then having him join my friends and i for drinks in the hotel bar | 17:44 |
| bryce | :-) | 17:48 |
| maco | so uh, any answer to the question i asked before? | 18:06 |
| bryce | maco: I could guess but probably would be wrong | 18:09 |
| bryce | maco: best ask wgrant or tjaalton | 18:09 |
| maco | wgrant is /away right now | 18:09 |
| maco | oh. both are. | 18:10 |
| maco | ok, well i *think* based on a conversation i had with wgrant back in oct that thats how it works, i just wanted to double-check | 18:10 |
| bryce | maco: you could email them (or mail ubuntu-x@) | 18:13 |
| maco | well i was asking to double-check something i was going to say on u-d-d, but i just put in a disclaimer that i think that's how it works but wgrant was doing it so he can correct me | 18:14 |
| maco | holy screen artifacts, batman | 18:16 |
| maco | are screen artifacts in kde4 a you-guys thing or kde4-guys thing? | 18:17 |
| bryce | depends | 18:30 |
| tseliot | maco: it's something they have to deal with in Qt4 | 18:39 |
| maxb | Could someone consider reverting the "Increase MAX_CLIENTS" xorg-server patch until the problems it causes are worked out? It's the most popular problem in #ubuntu+1 right now. (bug 326344) | 19:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 326344 in xorg-server "compiz/kwin freezes on login as of xorg-server 1.5.99.902-0ubuntu2" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326344 | 20:00 |
| andersk | Packages with that patch reverted are available in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~anders-kaseorg/+archive/ppa I have confirmed that the problem is gone with the patch removed. | 20:02 |
| maxb | Whoops :-) Guess I should have searched all PPAs before uploading to my own | 20:03 |
| bryce | maxb: done | 22:03 |
| zmiq_ | hi, I have some trouble with xorg-intel driver, and found a patch that solves it; can anybody apply the patch and recompile for me? I'm using jaunty. Thanks | 22:53 |
| maxb | zmiq_: Would it not make more sense for you to do it locally? | 23:33 |
| zmiq_ | any hints about how to do it? Just download everything -devel, apply the patch and make will work? | 23:59 |
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