[00:00] sure [00:01] And obviously Wine under XCFE is lacking in this area, since the uninstallation process didn't delete the entries from the menu, and the installation process didn't put the icons associated with each program in a separate menu. Probably something to discuss on sigs with both groups. [00:03] file a bug on wine :) [00:04] Regardless of the reasoning behind using Windows programs in Linux, if you install 15 programs, there shouldn't be 15 "Readme" files listed in the same menu, with no indication as to which program they go with. So, when I get some more info, I probably will file a bug report. [00:04] hey do you use this Synaptic to install kernel packages? [00:04] G-Blunted: What do you mean by "kernel" packages? [00:05] i wanna install new kernel version... [00:05] like..whats the easiest way [00:06] G-Blunted: Well, someone else here can probably confirm this, as I'm rather new to Linux, but I'd probably use a "sudo apt-get ..." command in a shell. [00:07] G-Blunted: I don't know exactly which set of switches or options you'd need to install a kernel, though. [00:08] ya there's all kinds of kernel-headers kernel-images and stuff...im wondering if this is the easy way or if this is how you go on to compile your own..cause i don't wanna compile one yet, i just want one of these generic ones [00:08] G-Blunted: Where are you getting the kernel from [00:08] ? [00:08] !kernel | G-Blunted [00:08] G-Blunted: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages [00:09] Well, there you go, start there. [00:09] woot [00:10] i've chosen kernel-generic package to install...ill check the page make sure that's right [00:10] !help [00:10] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [00:17] well...installing kernel-generic package i think is what those instructions should say on that site... [00:18] it says to install linux-image-2.ver.sio.n but i think it's more newbie to do kernel-generic... [00:18] * G-Blunted is newbie :) [00:38] Hey what's your guys' favorite game you play? [00:38] thats on the package thingy [00:57] Question - would there be any problem with putting a command to mount a vfat drive in the startup files, if the drive isn't there all the time? [00:58] I have a little 6GB IDE drive that I swap between this machine and a Win98SE machine, and when it's not hooked up to this machine to manage files on it, I have a CD/RW drive hooked up in it's place. [01:19] pkodon: you might be better off looking at setting up autofs.. With autofs you can configure it to simply mount if available when you try and switch into the directory you want it mounted at [01:20] zoredache_: Oh? I suppose there's a man page or something for that. [01:21] I've already got a directory set up as the mountpoint, so I hope it will mount it to that directory (if available). [01:24] you would need to install the autofs package. Then you would need to adjust a couple configuration files === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [02:21] What is the difference between things installed with Synaptic versus installed with the Add/Remove Programs?? [02:23] G-Blunted, is the same [02:24] synaptic give more options [02:27] hmm [02:27] but [02:27] some of the stuff in synaptic doesn't show up in the add/remove programs huh? [02:28] hey all, got a question about x server and nvidia [02:30] i'm trying to install nvidia drivers on my computer. i know i downloaded the correct driver, but i have no idea how to "install" it to xubuntu. it's a .run file, and if i try to run it as nvidia says, it tells me that i have to shut down x server, but i'm not sure how to do that [02:35] logout and login again, reboot the system, press ctrl-alt-backspace (save everything first) [02:37] LCplPredator: You want to compile your own nvidia modules/ [02:37] LCplPredator: You want to compile your own nvidia modules? [02:37] LCplPredator: don't download the drivers, use the ones in the repositories that were prepared for xubuntu [02:37] I think all I have to do is try shutting down "X server" so that I can install graphics drivers. [02:38] Ok. Let me look around in the repositories for it... [02:38] you can shut it down with alt+ctrl+backspace or with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [02:38] !restricted [02:38] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [02:39] that's not it [02:39] !nvidia [02:39] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [02:39] no need to shutdown/ Applications->System tools->Hardware Drivers [02:39] LCplPredator: see Basic Installation Instructions there [02:40] LCplPredator: you need the restricted repository enabled [02:40] !repos [02:40] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [02:40] i tried the hardware drivers part. doesn't work. i'll look in the repositories. [02:45] the repositories are no help. all i need to do is shut down x server. and /etc/init.d/gdm stop doesn't work. tried that too. [02:50] LCplPredator: what it does then? [02:51] hang on, i think i'm onto something... the first time i tried it, everything crashed on me [02:51] LCplPredator: that's not a crash, that's the X Server shutting down [02:51] LCplPredator: X Server is the graphical environment [02:52] i couldn't enter any commands or anything [02:52] you have to log in into the text console then [02:53] you can siwtch to it with alt+ctrl+f1, f2, f3, etc. , alt+ctrl+f7 takes you back to X, if it's running [02:57] ok, well i just tried "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" and it tells me that i'm stopping it, but it hasn't stopped [02:58] do it from the text console [02:58] how do you tell it hans't stopped? [03:02] because when i try to install the nvidia driver, it tells me that it hasn't died [03:03] we can't support 3rd party scripts [03:04] i can live with that. i just need to know how to kill gdm and get a text only console running [03:05] so you see the graphical environment when you do alt+ctrl+f7? [03:05] correct [03:05] after doing that gdm stop and entering your password? [03:06] correct [03:06] HA! figured it out [03:06] so i started compiz with compiz --replace....how can i go back to xfce? [03:07] "sudo killall gdm" [03:07] G-Blunted: xfwm4 --replace [03:07] oh ok [03:07] so intuative [03:07] what is hotkey for terminal window?? [03:07] ctrl alt f7 [03:07] I don't think there is any by default, you have to set it up by yourself [03:08] what did CTRL ALT F7 do? [03:08] G-Blunted: switches you to 7th virtual console, on which normally the X Server runs [03:09] xfwm4 --replace [03:09] whoops [03:09] G-Blunted: you can get a command prompt with alt+f2 [03:10] kind [03:10] a [03:10] that gives me Run box [03:10] ctrl alt f7 messed up my gui tho [03:10] i can't click on stuff really anymore [03:10] any tips on how can....reset it? ctrl alt backspace maybe? [03:12] G-Blunted: that shouldn't happen, ctrol+alt+backspace will restart X, should help, but will kill all your running aps [03:12] is xubuntu more light weight than windows 2000? [03:13] oh god yeah [03:13] i'm running xubuntu on a computer with 933Mhz P3 cpu, and 384MB of ram [03:13] running just fine, a little slow, but that's to be expected [03:14] it's not a free and light version of Windows though, it's different [03:38] Hey, my friend did an upgrade a while back and he says XFce is all screwed up now. Shortcuts don't work, logout button doesn't work, menus changed, etc. [03:38] What's up with that? [03:38] I would've expected cleaner upgrades from the *buntu crowd... That's why I recommended it to him. [03:41] TheSheep: well, yeah. it's linux/gnu [03:41] Digital_Pioneer: he upgraded from which version to which? [03:42] I assume it was just a normal update. [03:43] Digital_Pioneer: well, if he updated to the current alpha, it would explain a lot -- pretty large parts of it may not work at the moment [03:43] I doubt it. [03:43] He says he updated 11 or so things the day it blew out, about 5 the day before. [03:44] can't really help you without more specific information [03:44] maybe he could come here? [03:44] Yeah, I feel the same way... :P [03:45] I'll try to get him on. [03:47] Digital_Pioneer: I have to go to sleep soon, so either someobody else helps him, or try in about 8 hours... [03:48] OK. [03:48] TheSheep: Riddle me this: what is xfce's config directory? Perhaps deleting that will fix it (along with resetting his entire GUI, unfortunately) [03:48] ~/.xfce? [03:49] Digital_Pioneer: ~/.config/xfce4 iirc... [03:50] Odd-rationale: OK, I'll give that a shot. [03:51] you can also try just creating a new user [03:51] lazz: This must be you. :P [03:52] TheSheep: Talk to lazz. :) [03:52] lazz: you're there? :) [03:52] yes I'm here [03:53] great, maybe pick one thing that doesn't work and we will try to see why [03:55] TheSheep: He's shy... Hahah [03:56] what's the proper way to request a package update? talk to the debian maintainer of said package, submit a "bug" report or submit your own package update? [03:56] no I just really don't know what I should say since most of the problems I've been having are not there anymore [03:56] rhavenn: I think you'd best ask that on #ubuntu-motu, that's the team that hanles most of the "universe" packages [03:57] lazz: so the yare solved? [03:57] they are solved? [03:57] lazz: Ohh, you might have mentioned that earlier.... ;D [03:57] TheSheep: For now. the problems cycle in and out [03:57] TheSheep: thanks [03:57] every time I restart something is working right and something else isn't [03:57] lazz: completely randomly? [03:58] * Digital_Pioneer bets that unless it's taking cues from /dev/random, it's not really random. :D [03:58] Digital_Pioneer: /dev/random is not that random either [03:58] TheSheep: /dev/random is supposedly very random. [03:59] TheSheep: For the most part. Sometimes my shortcuts don't work. Sometimes I can't delete anything. Sometimes the logout button doesn't work right it just shuts off my xfce panel. Today I have a new problem of it telling me that I'm not in the sudoers file. [04:00] lazz: if it comes and goes, then two possible reasons come to my mind: out of disk space in your home directory or hardware problems with hard disk drive corruption [04:00] lazz: let's try the disk space first, what does 'df' say? [04:00] lazz: in terminal [04:01] TheSheep: And I note that since /dev/random generates 'random' data from peripheral events, I would say it is extremely random. [04:01] TheSheep: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on [04:01] /dev/sda1 77695264 72506536 1241964 99% / [04:01] tmpfs 252960 0 252960 0% /lib/init/rw [04:01] varrun 252960 220 252740 1% /var/run [04:01] varlock 252960 0 252960 0% /var/lock [04:01] udev 252960 2836 250124 2% /dev [04:01] tmpfs 252960 0 252960 0% /dev/shm [04:01] lrm 252960 2000 250960 1% /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile [04:01] overflow 1024 12 1012 2% /tmp [04:01] maybe you can understand that [04:01] lazz: Ahh, best not to paste in here. Better to use http://www.rafb.net/paste or the like. [04:02] Yup, partition's full. [04:02] Wait, no... [04:02] hey is there a xubuntu for powerpc procesors? [04:02] Well, yeah... I think so. [04:02] !ppc [04:02] PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ [04:02] Stupid big numbers... LOL [04:02] .... lol i fail XD [04:02] thanks TheSheep :/ [04:03] lazz: df -h | head -n2 [04:03] :P [04:03] lazz: You can paste that in here. [04:03] lazz: the /tmp directory is very small [04:03] the pratition mounted as /tmp, I mean [04:04] TheSheep: I'm more concerned with the 99% full / [04:04] partition* [04:04] Digital Pioneer: Yeah I have one GB left [04:04] Digital_Pioneer: that's available, not full [04:04] Digital Pioneer: But why should that mess all of my stuff up [04:04] Hey where do you setup your startup apps?? [04:04] i can't find it...thought i saw a place tho [04:05] G-Blunted: settings->setting manager->autostarted applications [04:05] TheSheep: Is it? I can't tell, it's not lined up... :P [04:05] G-Blunted: and system->services [04:05] thanks thats it :) [04:05] Digital_Pioneer: no, wait, you're right [04:05] lazz: try this: sudo apt-get clean [04:06] this should delete the files it downloaded for upgrade [04:06] that are no longer needed [04:06] TheSheep: OK, I was thinking those matched up with Use%... :P [04:06] is there like a taskmanager or something you can use to see what is currently running (and maybe turn it off)? [04:06] try df again after this, and paste the line with /dev/sda1 again [04:06] G-Blunted: system->system monitor [04:06] * Digital_Pioneer likes Filelight (KDE app) -- good for figuring out what's using disk space. [04:07] thx [04:07] Digital_Pioneer: I like baobab better [04:07] TheSheep: /dev/sda1 77695264 72286936 1461564 99% [04:07] TheSheep: Don't know it, doesn't appear in my repos either... [04:08] lazz: what does 'sudo apt-get -a install' say? Just paste the last (or the relevant) line [04:09] Digital_Pioneer: it's in gnome-utils package [04:09] Bleh, GNOME. [04:09] TheSheep: It says "E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not known." [04:10] Was that supposed to be -f? [04:10] lazz: you are right, sorry, try 'sudo apt-get install' without the -a [04:10] Digital_Pioneer: -a was for dpkg, I confused them [04:10] Ohh. [04:10] TheSheep: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [04:11] ok, looks like the update did finish [04:11] let's look for hardware errors [04:11] I've got to go is this going to take a long time? [04:11] do 'dmesg | less', scroll to bottom and see if there is anything suspicious [04:12] no, I have to go to sleep too [04:12] if we won't find anythign obvious with this, I guess we will have to call it a day for now [04:13] what would be considered suspicious? [04:14] TheSheep: dmesg | less? That will take a while. :P [04:14] lazz: any 'disk error' messages [04:15] or actually anything with 'error', 'failure', or 'catastrophy' in it :) [04:16] lazz: You can search it by hitting / and entering the search term. [04:18] TheSheep: there's only one. It says usb 1-2: device not accepting address 3, error -71 [04:19] lazz: I had something like that once, turned out to be a bad cable for my scanner, shouldn't affect the rest of the system though [04:21] well I give up. Thanks for helping. [04:21] so... [04:21] no problem, don't hesitate to come again if any of the trouble comes back [04:21] we can nail it down then [04:21] my computer randomly turns itself off all the way....just random total shutdown...where could i find logs on this? [04:22] gbleezy: in /var/log/, all teh files with .0 or .1 in them are from the previous runs [04:22] thx [04:23] gbleezy: I would check memory with memtest from teh livecd, and whether your cpu is not overheating [04:23] yea how do i check my heat? [04:23] i wanna rule that out... [04:23] even though i sort of have ruled that out now that i got this fan station undernieth it [04:23] and i ran the memtest... [04:24] it came back with lots of errors [04:24] gbleezy: I think there was a panel applet that shows you the temperature [04:24] gbleezy: ah, errors in memtest --> broken memory [04:24] a panel applet...thats like...a package to install? [04:25] ya broken memory.....could be reason for completly random shutdowns...any way to confirm this is the cause? [04:25] gbleezy: it's one of those icons on your panel, but I think it's not installed by default [04:25] let me check [04:25] gbleezy: memtests giving errors confirms it [04:25] gbleezy: show the errors to the staff where you bought the ram, and they will replace it without asking [04:26] unless it's really old [04:27] ya its a really old Dell :( [04:27] do you think you could upgrade waranty and get them to replace it? :) [04:27] no idea [04:27] but old ram should be pretty cheap [04:28] ya but its in my laptop [04:28] i havn't even thought about opening this thing up...do people even do that? [04:28] after warranty expires, sure, why not [04:28] it's not rocket surgery [04:29] as long as you don't scratch anything with a screwdriver... [04:29] oh, make sure to unplug power and remove battery before you open it [04:31] hmm [04:46] TheSheep, ever figure out what that heat monitoring thing is? [04:46] anyone have any idea how to connect two ubuntu computers via crossover cable for file transfer? [04:47] connecting them isn't hard. you may need to statically assign ip addresses [04:48] will this mess up wireless? [04:49] well not if you just change it temporarily... [04:50] okay cool [04:50] i got the two eth connections set upo [04:50] *up [04:50] how do i connect to the server? [04:57] you know that is a very good question :) === gbleezy is now known as G-Blunted [04:59] gray: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-315962.html [05:02] G-Blunted: xfce4-sensors-plugin, sorry [05:02] forgot about you :) [05:07] its chill :) [05:13] where can i find log file for Synaptic installs?? [05:14] it's bugging out and i wanna put the error in pastebin [05:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/115866/ [05:48] anyone know the difference between an Internet Object Cache (WWW Cache) and a Full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP Cache)?? [05:50] in first question, synaptics logs may be in /var/log/dpkg.log ? [05:50] ya [05:50] that is what i put in the pastebin [05:50] is what i found in dpkg.log [05:50] wasn't exactly the same as output i saw in the program's window...but same issue [05:53] hmm in /usr/root/.synaptic/log some logs [05:55] sorry /root/ :) [05:55] why cant i 'ls' in /root? [05:56] and how do i get in there? :p [06:00] use sudo [06:00] or su [06:01] what password is for su? [06:01] sudo takes my password....su rejects it [06:02] su doesn't have a password [06:05] you can sudo passwd, but i make it because i work in debian, in ubuntu you can use only sudo [06:07] hmm [06:07] when i type su it asks for pword [06:07] ouch my type sudo -s -H and you root [06:07] this is G-Blunted btw...my laptop just shut itself off randomly....i think it's the bad memory [06:55] i'm trying jaunty on one of my machines, but there's seem to be a problem with xfce4-settings, it won't install [06:58] aah... the swedish mirror is borked, atleast not updated [07:41] hi all [07:41] how can I upgrade from 7.10 into 8.10 ? [07:41] my xubuntu? [07:41] !upgrade [07:41] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [07:41] thanx [07:42] I have xubuntu ? [07:42] yes, the same instrcutions apply to xubuntu. [07:42] thanx [07:42] xubuntu is basically just ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome and a bit differente set of applications. [07:52] hi [07:53] anyone knows how well xubuntu 8.10 will run on 650mhz&128mb? [07:53] 650mhz is ok but 128mb is way to low [07:54] thats what i thought. im now running 6.06 with my old laptop and that runs good enought but i got some hardware that is hard to get work with 6.06 [07:55] 6.06 is not supported anymore, no security updates [07:56] its still better than w98/w2k =) [07:56] what HW? [07:56] but supported buntus are even better [07:56] some pcmciacard and zd1102 wlan dongle [07:57] might want to try U-lite, but it's not associated with ubuntu or xubuntu [07:58] never heard abt that one [07:59] whow thats small one [07:59] based on 8.04, with lxde instead of xfce and some other different stuff to get even lighter than xubuntu [07:59] got it allready... [07:59] got it running on an old lappy with P2 and 96megs [08:03] ill give it a try. [08:05] if I were you I'd invest in more mem, 650mhz in a lappy still pretty usefulo [08:06] true, memory is not even expensive [08:06] but might be hard to find [08:06] or the laptop might not support more :P [08:10] anyway, have to go for my studies [08:10] see you. [08:10] btw. does u-lite use libata? [08:11] no clue, let me check if it's installed, two secs [08:13] sorry, does not seem available in the 8.04 repo, is there a replacement? [08:15] thats cool. my old laptop doesnt coop with libata [08:15] thx man! [08:18] did a little google and got libata replaced with ide libs, 'nother reason to upgrade to an 8.04/8.10 version [08:57] anyone know the difference between an Internet Object Cache (WWW Cache) and a Full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP Cache)?? [09:16] !squid [09:16] squid is a caching proxy for the Web. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquidGuard See: http://www.squid-cache.org [09:17] !squid3 [09:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about squid3 [09:25] xfce ftw :) [09:27] оО [09:28] nevada! [09:28] :P [09:29] nevada too ftw ? [09:30] :P [09:30] colorado ftw :) [09:31] Colorado beetle ftw :D [09:32] O.o [10:00] I wanna enable people to connect to my Xubuntu box and do some anonymous web browsing...is this possible? [10:09] G-Blunted, you mean you want to set up a proxy server? [10:09] ya but what kind? [10:09] there's so many ways to configure squid and stuff....i don't know which direction i need for the most simple just...proxying... [10:10] maybe search ubuntuforums.org [10:11] ya i just been searchin google [10:11] G-Blunted, suppose the easiest way would be just following a tutorial/howto [10:11] everyone wants to use squid for a caching accelerator...i don't really need or want that.. [10:12] i'm thinkin i could have setup apache/php by now and just made some redirect site in php :p [10:12] a-ha.. [10:12] that would give me the ip of this box right? [10:12] huh? [10:12] n/m :) [10:36] well i just realized it's pretty hopeless to try to open ports and use daemons when im on someone else's wireless router [10:39] true... [10:57] hey i've got this plugin in my panel that i can't Remove(-)...any tips? [10:57] it doesn't respond to any kind of clicking [11:08] anyone know if i can print to a printer on another computer not through LAN but through the internet?? [11:13] !vpn [11:13] From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD [12:14] any of you play any of these linux games? [12:18] I play linux games. [12:22] any multiplayer online ones? [12:23] Yup [12:23] like... [12:24] Netrek, Gate88, BZFlag, Quake 3, etc. etc. [12:44] i am running xubuntu xfce. can i install deb packages? how? [12:46] !dpkg [12:46] dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. [12:58] i am running xubuntu xfce. can i install deb packages? how? [13:00] dpkg -i packet.deb [13:01] thnks [13:06] anyone really good at html? like CRAZY html? [13:06] PLEASE pm me, if you're active, i just need like one line of code debugged [13:16] does anyone know the best way (or any way really) to create a keybinding for an app? [14:05] Hey, all [14:18] hey who wants to play a game of Open Arena?? [14:20] quake its not dead &) [14:21] not if you play me right now! [14:22] heh, i played in q3 mmm 6 or 7 years ago :) [14:22] well [14:22] this is OPEN ARENA [14:22] load it up lets go [14:22] ima frag the shit outta you :p [14:22] str8 pwnage [14:22] sorry I'm worked now :D [14:22] work* [14:24] which package for opern arena [14:24] uhh [14:24] it's called Open Arena [14:24] :p [14:25] G-Blunted: --> #xubuntu-offtopic [14:26] h8rs! :p [15:18] Hi. [15:18] When the installer on live CD reaches the partitioner, there are no partitions [15:19] all the buttons are gray [15:19] and there is a strange white box in the middle of the window [15:19] i tried logging out and back in, no help. [15:21] Which livecd? [15:21] 8.10 [15:21] xubuntu. === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo [15:23] Did you check manual partitioning? [15:24] Is this a new hard drive or does it already have something on it? [15:24]