[00:00] <TheSheep> sure
[00:01] <pkodon> And obviously Wine under XCFE is lacking in this area, since the uninstallation process didn't delete the entries from the menu, and the installation process didn't put the icons associated with each program in a separate menu. Probably something to discuss on sigs with both groups.
[00:03] <TheSheep> file a bug on wine :)
[00:04] <pkodon> Regardless of the reasoning behind using Windows programs in Linux, if you install 15 programs, there shouldn't be 15 "Readme" files listed in the same menu, with no indication as to which program they go with. So, when I get some more info, I probably will file a bug report.
[00:04] <G-Blunted> hey do you use this Synaptic to install kernel packages?
[00:04] <pkodon> G-Blunted: What do you mean by "kernel" packages?
[00:05] <G-Blunted> i wanna install new kernel version...
[00:05] <G-Blunted> like..whats the easiest way
[00:06] <pkodon> G-Blunted: Well, someone else here can probably confirm this, as I'm rather new to Linux, but I'd probably use a "sudo apt-get ..." command in a shell.
[00:07] <pkodon> G-Blunted: I don't know exactly which set of switches or options you'd need to install a kernel, though.
[00:08] <G-Blunted> ya there's all kinds of kernel-headers kernel-images and stuff...im wondering if this is the easy way or if this is how you go on to compile your own..cause i don't wanna compile one yet, i just want one of these generic ones
[00:08] <pkodon> G-Blunted: Where are you getting the kernel from
[00:08] <pkodon> ?
[00:08] <TheSheep> !kernel | G-Blunted
[00:09] <pkodon> Well, there you go, start there.
[00:09] <G-Blunted> woot
[00:10] <G-Blunted> i've chosen kernel-generic package to install...ill check the page make sure that's right
[00:10] <G-Blunted> !help
[00:17] <G-Blunted> well...installing kernel-generic package i think is what those instructions should say on that site...
[00:18] <G-Blunted> it says to install linux-image-2.ver.sio.n  but i think it's more newbie to do kernel-generic...
[00:18]  * G-Blunted is newbie :)
[00:38] <G-Blunted> Hey what's your guys' favorite game you play?
[00:38] <G-Blunted> thats on the package thingy
[00:57] <pkodon> Question - would there be any problem with putting a command to mount a vfat drive in the startup files, if the drive isn't there all the time?
[00:58] <pkodon> I have a little 6GB IDE drive that I swap between this machine and a Win98SE machine, and when it's not hooked up to this machine to manage files on it, I have a CD/RW drive hooked up in it's place.
[01:19] <zoredache_> pkodon: you might be better off looking at setting up autofs..  With autofs you can configure it to simply mount if available when you try and switch into the directory you want it mounted at
[01:20] <pkodon> zoredache_: Oh? I suppose there's a man page or something for that.
[01:21] <pkodon> I've already got a directory set up as the mountpoint, so I hope it will mount it to that directory (if available).
[01:24] <zoredache_> you would need to install the autofs package.  Then you would need to adjust a couple configuration files
[02:21] <G-Blunted> What is the difference between things installed with Synaptic versus installed with the Add/Remove Programs??
[02:23] <forces> G-Blunted, is the same
[02:24] <forces> synaptic give more options
[02:27] <G-Blunted> hmm
[02:27] <G-Blunted> but
[02:27] <G-Blunted> some of the stuff in synaptic doesn't show up in the add/remove programs huh?
[02:28] <LCplPredator> hey all, got a question about x server and nvidia
[02:30] <LCplPredator> i'm trying to install nvidia drivers on my computer. i know i downloaded the correct driver, but i have no idea how to "install" it to xubuntu. it's a .run file, and if i try to run it as nvidia says, it tells me that i have to shut down x server, but i'm not sure how to do that
[02:35] <zoredache> logout and login again, reboot the system, press ctrl-alt-backspace (save everything first)
[02:37] <durt> LCplPredator: You want to compile your own nvidia modules/
[02:37] <durt> LCplPredator: You want to compile your own nvidia modules?
[02:37] <TheSheep> LCplPredator: don't download the drivers, use the ones in the repositories that were prepared for xubuntu
[02:37] <LCplPredator> I think all I have to do is try shutting down "X server" so that I can install graphics drivers.
[02:38] <LCplPredator> Ok. Let me look around in the repositories for it...
[02:38] <TheSheep> you can shut it down with alt+ctrl+backspace or with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:38] <TheSheep> !restricted
[02:39] <TheSheep> that's not it
[02:39] <TheSheep> !nvidia
[02:39] <durt> no need to shutdown/ Applications->System tools->Hardware Drivers
[02:39] <TheSheep> LCplPredator: see Basic Installation Instructions there
[02:40] <TheSheep> LCplPredator: you need the restricted repository enabled
[02:40] <TheSheep> !repos
[02:40] <LCplPredator> i tried the hardware drivers part. doesn't work. i'll look in the repositories.
[02:45] <LCplPredator> the repositories are no help. all i need to do is shut down x server. and /etc/init.d/gdm stop doesn't work. tried that too.
[02:50] <TheSheep> LCplPredator: what it does then?
[02:51] <LCplPredator> hang on, i think i'm onto something... the first time i tried it, everything crashed on me
[02:51] <TheSheep> LCplPredator: that's not a crash, that's the X Server shutting down
[02:51] <TheSheep> LCplPredator: X Server is the graphical environment
[02:52] <LCplPredator> i couldn't enter any commands or anything
[02:52] <TheSheep> you have to log in into the text console then
[02:53] <TheSheep> you can siwtch to it with alt+ctrl+f1, f2, f3, etc. , alt+ctrl+f7 takes you back to X, if it's running
[02:57] <LCplPredator> ok, well i just tried "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" and it tells me that i'm stopping it, but it hasn't stopped
[02:58] <TheSheep> do it from the text console
[02:58] <TheSheep> how do you tell it hans't stopped?
[03:02] <LCplPredator> because when i try to install the nvidia driver, it tells me that it hasn't died
[03:03] <TheSheep> we can't support 3rd party scripts
[03:04] <LCplPredator> i can live with that. i just need to know how to kill gdm and get a text only console running
[03:05] <TheSheep> so you see the graphical environment when you do alt+ctrl+f7?
[03:05] <LCplPredator> correct
[03:05] <TheSheep> after doing that gdm stop and entering your password?
[03:06] <LCplPredator> correct
[03:06] <LCplPredator> HA! figured it out
[03:06] <G-Blunted> so i started compiz with compiz --replace....how can i go back to xfce?
[03:07] <LCplPredator> "sudo killall gdm"
[03:07] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: xfwm4 --replace
[03:07] <G-Blunted> oh ok
[03:07] <G-Blunted> so intuative
[03:07] <G-Blunted> what is hotkey for terminal window??
[03:07] <LCplPredator> ctrl alt f7
[03:07] <TheSheep> I don't think there is any by default, you have to set it up by yourself
[03:08] <G-Blunted> what did CTRL ALT F7 do?
[03:08] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: switches you to 7th virtual console, on which normally the X Server runs
[03:09] <G-Blunted> xfwm4 --replace
[03:09] <G-Blunted> whoops
[03:09] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: you can get a command prompt with alt+f2
[03:10] <G-Blunted> kind
[03:10] <G-Blunted> a
[03:10] <G-Blunted> that gives me Run box
[03:10] <G-Blunted> ctrl alt f7 messed up my gui tho
[03:10] <G-Blunted> i can't click on stuff really anymore
[03:10] <G-Blunted> any tips on how can....reset it? ctrl alt backspace maybe?
[03:12] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: that shouldn't happen, ctrol+alt+backspace will restart X, should help, but will kill all your running aps
[03:12] <keres> is xubuntu more light weight than windows 2000?
[03:13] <LCplPredator> oh god yeah
[03:13] <LCplPredator> i'm running xubuntu on a computer with 933Mhz P3 cpu, and 384MB of ram
[03:13] <LCplPredator> running just fine, a little slow, but that's to be expected
[03:14] <TheSheep> it's not a free and light version of Windows though, it's different
[03:38] <Digital_Pioneer> Hey, my friend did an upgrade a while back and he says XFce is all screwed up now. Shortcuts don't work, logout button doesn't work, menus changed, etc.
[03:38] <Digital_Pioneer> What's up with that?
[03:38] <Digital_Pioneer> I would've expected cleaner upgrades from the *buntu crowd... That's why I recommended it to him.
[03:41] <keres> TheSheep: well, yeah. it's linux/gnu
[03:41] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: he upgraded from which version to which?
[03:42] <Digital_Pioneer> I assume it was just a normal update.
[03:43] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: well, if he updated to the current alpha, it would explain a lot -- pretty large parts of it may not work at the moment
[03:43] <Digital_Pioneer> I doubt it.
[03:43] <Digital_Pioneer> He says he updated 11 or so things the day it blew out, about 5 the day before.
[03:44] <TheSheep> can't really help you without more specific information
[03:44] <TheSheep> maybe he could come here?
[03:44] <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, I feel the same way... :P
[03:45] <Digital_Pioneer> I'll try to get him on.
[03:47] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: I have to go to sleep soon, so either someobody else helps him, or try in about 8 hours...
[03:48] <Digital_Pioneer> OK.
[03:48] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: Riddle me this: what is xfce's config directory? Perhaps deleting that will fix it (along with resetting his entire GUI, unfortunately)
[03:48] <Digital_Pioneer> ~/.xfce?
[03:49] <Odd-rationale> Digital_Pioneer: ~/.config/xfce4 iirc...
[03:50] <Digital_Pioneer> Odd-rationale: OK, I'll give that a shot.
[03:51] <TheSheep> you can also try just creating a new user
[03:51] <Digital_Pioneer> lazz: This must be you. :P
[03:52] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: Talk to lazz. :)
[03:52] <TheSheep> lazz: you're there? :)
[03:52] <lazz> yes I'm here
[03:53] <TheSheep> great, maybe pick one thing that doesn't work and we will try to see why
[03:55] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: He's shy... Hahah
[03:56] <rhavenn> what's the proper way to request a package update? talk to the debian maintainer of said package, submit a "bug" report or submit your own package update?
[03:56] <lazz> no I just really don't know what I should say since most of the problems I've been having are not there anymore
[03:56] <TheSheep> rhavenn: I think you'd best ask that on #ubuntu-motu, that's the team that hanles most of the "universe" packages
[03:57] <TheSheep> lazz: so the yare solved?
[03:57] <TheSheep> they are solved?
[03:57] <Digital_Pioneer> lazz: Ohh, you might have mentioned that earlier.... ;D
[03:57] <lazz> TheSheep: For now.  the problems cycle in and out
[03:57] <rhavenn> TheSheep: thanks
[03:57] <lazz> every time I restart something is working right and something else isn't
[03:57] <TheSheep> lazz: completely randomly?
[03:58]  * Digital_Pioneer bets that unless it's taking cues from /dev/random, it's not really random. :D
[03:58] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: /dev/random is not that random either
[03:58] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: /dev/random is supposedly very random.
[03:59] <lazz> TheSheep:  For the most part.  Sometimes my shortcuts don't work.  Sometimes I can't delete anything.  Sometimes the logout button doesn't work right it just shuts off my xfce panel.  Today I have a new problem of it telling me that I'm not in the sudoers file.
[04:00] <TheSheep> lazz: if it comes and goes, then two possible reasons come to my mind: out of disk space in your home directory or hardware problems with hard disk drive corruption
[04:00] <TheSheep> lazz: let's try the disk space first, what does 'df' say?
[04:00] <TheSheep> lazz: in terminal
[04:01] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: And I note that since /dev/random generates 'random' data from peripheral events, I would say it is extremely random.
[04:01] <lazz> TheSheep:  Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[04:01] <lazz> /dev/sda1             77695264  72506536   1241964  99% /
[04:01] <lazz> tmpfs                   252960         0    252960   0% /lib/init/rw
[04:01] <lazz> varrun                  252960       220    252740   1% /var/run
[04:01] <lazz> varlock                 252960         0    252960   0% /var/lock
[04:01] <lazz> udev                    252960      2836    250124   2% /dev
[04:01] <lazz> tmpfs                   252960         0    252960   0% /dev/shm
[04:01] <lazz> lrm                     252960      2000    250960   1% /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile
[04:01] <lazz> overflow                  1024        12      1012   2% /tmp
[04:01] <lazz> maybe you can understand that
[04:01] <Digital_Pioneer> lazz: Ahh, best not to paste in here. Better to use http://www.rafb.net/paste or the like.
[04:02] <Digital_Pioneer> Yup, partition's full.
[04:02] <Digital_Pioneer> Wait, no...
[04:02] <Bensawsome> hey is there a xubuntu for powerpc procesors?
[04:02] <Digital_Pioneer> Well, yeah... I think so.
[04:02] <TheSheep> !ppc
[04:02] <Digital_Pioneer> Stupid big numbers... LOL
[04:02] <Bensawsome> .... lol i fail XD
[04:02] <Bensawsome> thanks TheSheep :/
[04:03] <Digital_Pioneer> lazz: df -h | head -n2
[04:03] <Digital_Pioneer> :P
[04:03] <Digital_Pioneer> lazz: You can paste that in here.
[04:03] <TheSheep> lazz: the /tmp directory is very small
[04:03] <TheSheep> the pratition mounted as /tmp, I mean
[04:04] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: I'm more concerned with the 99% full /
[04:04] <TheSheep> partition*
[04:04] <lazz> Digital Pioneer:  Yeah I have one GB left
[04:04] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: that's available, not full
[04:04] <lazz> Digital Pioneer:  But why should that mess all of my stuff up
[04:04] <G-Blunted> Hey where do you setup your startup apps??
[04:04] <G-Blunted> i can't find it...thought i saw a place tho
[04:05] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: settings->setting manager->autostarted applications
[04:05] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: Is it? I can't tell, it's not lined up... :P
[04:05] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: and system->services
[04:05] <G-Blunted> thanks thats it :)
[04:05] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: no, wait, you're right
[04:05] <TheSheep> lazz: try this: sudo apt-get clean
[04:06] <TheSheep> this should delete the files it downloaded for upgrade
[04:06] <TheSheep> that are no longer needed
[04:06] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: OK, I was thinking those matched up with Use%... :P
[04:06] <G-Blunted> is there like a taskmanager or something you can use to see what is currently running (and maybe turn it off)?
[04:06] <TheSheep> try df again after this, and paste the line with /dev/sda1 again
[04:06] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: system->system monitor
[04:06]  * Digital_Pioneer likes Filelight (KDE app) -- good for figuring out what's using disk space.
[04:07] <G-Blunted> thx
[04:07] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: I like baobab better
[04:07] <lazz> TheSheep:  /dev/sda1             77695264  72286936   1461564  99%
[04:07] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: Don't know it, doesn't appear in my repos either...
[04:08] <TheSheep> lazz: what does 'sudo apt-get -a install' say? Just paste the last (or the relevant) line
[04:09] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: it's in gnome-utils package
[04:09] <Digital_Pioneer> Bleh, GNOME.
[04:09] <lazz> TheSheep:  It says "E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not known."
[04:10] <Digital_Pioneer> Was that supposed to be -f?
[04:10] <TheSheep> lazz: you are right, sorry, try 'sudo apt-get install' without the -a
[04:10] <TheSheep> Digital_Pioneer: -a was for dpkg, I confused them
[04:10] <Digital_Pioneer> Ohh.
[04:10] <lazz> TheSheep: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:11] <TheSheep> ok, looks like the update did finish
[04:11] <TheSheep> let's look for hardware errors
[04:11] <lazz> I've got to go is this going to take a long time?
[04:11] <TheSheep> do 'dmesg | less', scroll to bottom and see if there is anything suspicious
[04:12] <TheSheep> no, I have to go to sleep too
[04:12] <TheSheep> if we won't find anythign obvious with this, I guess we will have to call it a day for now
[04:13] <lazz> what would be considered suspicious?
[04:14] <Digital_Pioneer> TheSheep: dmesg | less?  That will take a while. :P
[04:14] <TheSheep> lazz: any 'disk error' messages
[04:15] <TheSheep> or actually anything with 'error', 'failure', or 'catastrophy' in it :)
[04:16] <Digital_Pioneer> lazz: You can search it by hitting / and entering the search term.
[04:18] <lazz> TheSheep:  there's only one.  It says  usb 1-2: device not accepting address 3, error -71
[04:19] <TheSheep> lazz: I had something like that once, turned out to be a bad cable for my scanner, shouldn't affect the rest of the system though
[04:21] <lazz> well I give up.  Thanks for helping.
[04:21] <gbleezy> so...
[04:21] <TheSheep> no problem, don't hesitate to come again if any of the trouble comes back
[04:21] <TheSheep> we can nail it down then
[04:21] <gbleezy> my computer randomly turns itself off all the way....just random total shutdown...where could i find logs on this?
[04:22] <TheSheep> gbleezy: in /var/log/, all teh files with .0 or .1 in them are from the previous runs
[04:22] <gbleezy> thx
[04:23] <TheSheep> gbleezy: I would check memory with memtest from teh livecd, and whether your cpu is not overheating
[04:23] <gbleezy> yea how do i check my heat?
[04:23] <gbleezy> i wanna rule that out...
[04:23] <gbleezy> even though i sort of have ruled that out now that i got this fan station undernieth it
[04:23] <gbleezy> and i ran the memtest...
[04:24] <gbleezy> it came back with lots of errors
[04:24] <TheSheep> gbleezy: I think there was a panel applet that shows you the temperature
[04:24] <TheSheep> gbleezy: ah, errors in memtest --> broken memory
[04:24] <gbleezy> a panel applet...thats like...a package to install?
[04:25] <gbleezy> ya broken memory.....could be reason for completly random shutdowns...any way to confirm this is the cause?
[04:25] <TheSheep> gbleezy: it's one of those icons on your panel, but I think it's not installed by default
[04:25] <TheSheep> let me check
[04:25] <TheSheep> gbleezy: memtests giving errors confirms it
[04:25] <TheSheep> gbleezy: show the errors to the staff where you bought the ram, and they will replace it without asking
[04:26] <TheSheep> unless it's really old
[04:27] <gbleezy> ya its a really old Dell :(
[04:27] <gbleezy> do you think you could upgrade waranty and get them to replace it? :)
[04:27] <TheSheep> no idea
[04:27] <TheSheep> but old ram should be pretty cheap
[04:28] <gbleezy> ya but its in my laptop
[04:28] <gbleezy> i havn't even thought about opening this thing up...do people even do that?
[04:28] <TheSheep> after warranty expires, sure, why not
[04:28] <TheSheep> it's not rocket surgery
[04:29] <TheSheep> as long as you don't scratch anything with a screwdriver...
[04:29] <TheSheep> oh, make sure to unplug power and remove battery before you open it
[04:31] <gbleezy> hmm
[04:46] <gbleezy> TheSheep, ever figure out what that heat monitoring thing is?
[04:46] <gray> anyone have any idea how to connect two ubuntu computers via crossover cable for file transfer?
[04:47] <zoredache> connecting them isn't hard.  you may need to statically assign ip addresses
[04:48] <gray> will this mess up wireless?
[04:49] <zoredache> well not if you just change it temporarily...
[04:50] <gray> okay cool
[04:50] <gray> i got the two eth connections set upo
[04:50] <gray> *up
[04:50] <gray> how do i connect to the server?
[04:57] <gbleezy> you know that is a very good question :)
[04:59] <G-Blunted> gray:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-315962.html
[05:02] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: xfce4-sensors-plugin, sorry
[05:02] <TheSheep> forgot about you :)
[05:07] <G-Blunted> its chill :)
[05:13] <G-Blunted> where can i find log file for Synaptic installs??
[05:14] <G-Blunted> it's bugging out and i wanna put the error in pastebin
[05:20] <G-Blunted> http://paste.ubuntu.com/115866/
[05:48] <G-Blunted> anyone know the difference between an Internet Object Cache (WWW Cache) and a Full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP Cache)??
[05:50] <Reno`> in first question, synaptics logs may be in /var/log/dpkg.log ?
[05:50] <G-Blunted> ya
[05:50] <G-Blunted> that is what i put in the pastebin
[05:50] <G-Blunted> is what i found in dpkg.log
[05:50] <G-Blunted> wasn't exactly the same as output i saw in the program's window...but same issue
[05:53] <Reno`> hmm  in /usr/root/.synaptic/log some logs
[05:55] <Reno`>  sorry /root/ :)
[05:55] <G-Blunted> why cant i 'ls' in /root?
[05:56] <G-Blunted> and how do i get in there? :p
[06:00] <Reno`> use sudo
[06:00] <Reno`> or su
[06:01] <G-Blunted> what password is for su?
[06:01] <G-Blunted> sudo takes my password....su rejects it
[06:02] <forces> su doesn't have a password
[06:05] <Reno`> you can sudo passwd, but i make it because i work in debian, in ubuntu you can use only sudo
[06:07] <G-Bleezy> hmm
[06:07] <G-Bleezy> when i type su it asks for pword
[06:07] <Reno`> ouch my type sudo -s -H and you root
[06:07] <G-Bleezy> this is G-Blunted btw...my laptop just shut itself off randomly....i think it's the bad memory
[06:55] <chosig> i'm trying jaunty on one of my machines, but there's seem to be a problem with xfce4-settings, it won't install
[06:58] <chosig> aah... the swedish mirror is borked, atleast not updated
[07:41] <drcode> hi all
[07:41] <drcode> how can I upgrade from 7.10 into 8.10 ?
[07:41] <drcode> my xubuntu?
[07:41] <knome> !upgrade
[07:41] <drcode> thanx
[07:42] <drcode> I have xubuntu ?
[07:42] <knome> yes, the same instrcutions apply to xubuntu.
[07:42] <drcode> thanx
[07:42] <knome> xubuntu is basically just ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome and a bit differente set of applications.
[07:52] <mjartti> hi
[07:53] <mjartti> anyone knows how well xubuntu 8.10 will run on 650mhz&128mb?
[07:53] <durt>  650mhz is ok but 128mb is way to low
[07:54] <mjartti> thats what i thought. im now running 6.06 with my old laptop and that runs good enought but i got some hardware that is hard to get work with 6.06
[07:55] <durt> 6.06 is not supported anymore, no security updates
[07:56] <mjartti> its still better than w98/w2k =)
[07:56] <durt> what HW?
[07:56] <durt> but supported buntus are even better
[07:56] <mjartti> some pcmciacard and zd1102 wlan dongle
[07:57] <durt> might want to try U-lite, but it's not associated with ubuntu or xubuntu
[07:58] <mjartti> never heard abt that one
[07:59] <mjartti> whow thats small one
[07:59] <durt> based on 8.04, with lxde instead of xfce and some other different stuff to get even lighter than xubuntu
[07:59] <mjartti> got it allready...
[07:59] <durt> got it running on an old lappy with P2 and 96megs
[08:03] <mjartti> ill give it a try.
[08:05] <durt> if I were you I'd invest in more mem, 650mhz in a lappy still pretty usefulo
[08:06] <knome> true, memory is not even expensive
[08:06] <knome> but might be hard to find
[08:06] <knome> or the laptop might not support more :P
[08:10] <knome> anyway, have to go for my studies
[08:10] <knome> see you.
[08:10] <mjartti> btw. does u-lite use libata?
[08:11] <durt> no clue, let me check if it's installed, two secs
[08:13] <durt> sorry, does not seem available in the 8.04 repo, is there a replacement?
[08:15] <mjartti> thats cool. my old laptop doesnt coop with libata
[08:15] <mjartti> thx man!
[08:18] <durt> did a little google and got libata replaced with ide libs, 'nother reason to upgrade to an 8.04/8.10 version
[08:57] <G-Blunted> anyone know the difference between an Internet Object Cache (WWW Cache) and a Full featured Web Proxy cache (HTTP Cache)??
[09:16] <G-Blunted> !squid
[09:17] <G-Blunted> !squid3
[09:25] <xenocide21> xfce ftw :)
[09:27] <Reno`> оО
[09:28] <xenocide21> nevada!
[09:28] <xenocide21> :P
[09:29] <Reno`> nevada too ftw ?
[09:30] <xenocide21> :P
[09:30] <xenocide21> colorado ftw :)
[09:31] <Reno`> Colorado beetle ftw :D
[09:32] <xenocide21> O.o
[10:00] <G-Blunted> I wanna enable people to connect to my Xubuntu box and do some anonymous web browsing...is this possible?
[10:09] <knome> G-Blunted, you mean you want to set up a proxy server?
[10:09] <G-Blunted> ya but what kind?
[10:09] <G-Blunted> there's so many ways to configure squid and stuff....i don't know which direction i need for the most simple just...proxying...
[10:10] <knome> maybe search ubuntuforums.org
[10:11] <G-Blunted> ya i just been searchin google
[10:11] <knome> G-Blunted, suppose the easiest way would be just following a tutorial/howto
[10:11] <G-Blunted> everyone wants to use squid for a caching accelerator...i don't really need or want that..
[10:12] <G-Blunted> i'm thinkin i could have setup apache/php by now and just made some redirect site in php :p
[10:12] <knome> a-ha..
[10:12] <G-Blunted> that would give me the ip of this box right?
[10:12] <knome> huh?
[10:12] <G-Blunted> n/m :)
[10:36] <G-Blunted> well i just realized it's pretty hopeless to try to open ports and use daemons when im on someone else's wireless router
[10:39] <knome> true...
[10:57] <G-Blunted> hey i've got this plugin in my panel that i can't Remove(-)...any tips?
[10:57] <G-Blunted> it doesn't respond to any kind of clicking
[11:08] <G-Blunted> anyone know if i can print to a printer on another computer not through LAN but through the internet??
[11:13] <G-Blunted> !vpn
[12:14] <G-Blunted> any of you play any of these linux games?
[12:18] <cody-somerville> I play linux games.
[12:22] <G-Blunted> any multiplayer online ones?
[12:23] <cody-somerville> Yup
[12:23] <G-Blunted> like...
[12:24] <cody-somerville> Netrek, Gate88, BZFlag, Quake 3, etc. etc.
[12:44] <akis> i am running xubuntu xfce. can i install deb packages? how?
[12:46] <jarnos> !dpkg
[12:58] <akis> i am running xubuntu xfce. can i install deb packages? how?
[13:00] <Reno`> dpkg -i packet.deb
[13:01] <akis> thnks
[13:06] <ish2> anyone really good at html? like CRAZY html?
[13:06] <ish2> PLEASE pm me, if you're active, i just need like one line of code debugged
[13:16] <tich> does anyone know the best way (or any way really) to create a keybinding for an app?
[14:05] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all
[14:18] <G-Blunted> hey who wants to play a game of Open Arena??
[14:20] <Reno`> quake its not dead &)
[14:21] <G-Blunted> not if you play me right now!
[14:22] <Reno`> heh, i played in q3 mmm 6 or 7 years ago :)
[14:22] <G-Blunted> well
[14:22] <G-Blunted> this is OPEN ARENA
[14:22] <G-Blunted> load it up lets go
[14:22] <G-Blunted> ima frag the shit outta you :p
[14:22] <G-Blunted> str8 pwnage
[14:22] <Reno`> sorry I'm worked now :D
[14:22] <Reno`> work*
[14:24] <Reno`> which package for opern arena
[14:24] <G-Blunted> uhh
[14:24] <G-Blunted> it's called Open Arena
[14:24] <G-Blunted> :p
[14:25] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: --> #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:26] <G-Blunted> h8rs! :p
[15:18] <temp39> Hi.
[15:18] <temp39> When the installer on live CD reaches the partitioner, there are no partitions
[15:19] <temp39> all the buttons are gray
[15:19] <temp39> and there is a strange white box in the middle of the window
[15:19] <temp39> i tried logging out and back in, no help.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Which livecd?
[15:21] <temp39> 8.10
[15:21] <temp39> xubuntu.
[15:23] <charlie-tca> Did you check manual partitioning?
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Is this a new hard drive or does it already have something on it?
[15:24] <temp39> has lots on it
[15:24] <temp39> and it didnt even ask about manual partitioning
[15:24] <temp39> just goes to the editor and sorta... stays there with not much to do
[15:24] <charlie-tca> The center is a white box and below it should be several lines of text
[15:26] <temp39> At the top of the window is in bold Prepare partitions, with a horizontal rule under that, then the weird box (wide rectangle) then under that is the where the partitions usually are, under that the buttons (new partition etc) then under that Quit Back and Forward
[15:26] <temp39> I had a look around with the partition editor manually before i ran install, that might have something to do with it?
[15:27] <charlie-tca> Sure does. That image won't allow you to partition if the partitions have been mounted. you have to quit the install,
[15:27] <charlie-tca> make sure nothing is mounted, then restart the installation.
[15:29] <temp39> Yay! Thank you! It would be cool if it said something like "Please finish what you are doing and push this button to unmount everything" instead of the buggy, empty editor :)
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Yeah, we agree. I believe there is a bug filed about that.
[17:40] <ish2> finally worked my way through that problem
[17:40] <ish2> you can all relax now
[17:42] <ish2> i wuv xubuntu, and do all ubuntu have web-server running automatically?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> no
[17:42] <ish2> did xubuntu? or did i accidentally turn that on?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> You have to install a web-server if you want one
[17:43] <ish2> wow, don't remember that at all, i guess i was watching my own back
[17:43] <charlie-tca> It would have been an application you installed
[17:43] <ish2> apparently apache2
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that never comes pre-installed in Xubuntu
[17:44] <Myrtti> it usually never comes preinstalled with any Linuxes nowadays
[17:44] <zoredache> of course it could have been pulled in as a dependancy when you installed something else that isn't included by default
[17:45] <ish2> yeah, i was installing a lot, i got the space, so wry not?
[17:46] <zoredache> feel free to install anything you like.  That is what it is there for.  Do keep in mind that running servers may make you more vulnerable to network-based attacks, particularly if your system has a public ip address
[17:46] <ish2> i wish there were a greater set of repositories
[17:47] <ish2> i installed a firewall, forget the name at the moment, i've had a crazy code day going
[17:48] <ish2> are there repositories that aren't necessarily sanctioned by ubuntu? and ise gots to hunt them down?
[17:49] <ish2> do i get quicker responses when i don't talk like a retard?
[17:49] <Myrtti> yes
[17:49] <cody-somerville> lol
[17:49] <durt> ish2: only use repos you trust
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Yes, there are many out there. You already have main, restricted, universe, multiverse, medibuntu, right?
[17:50] <taw> ish2, what programs you need which aren't in ubuntu repos?
[17:50] <taw> there is also that 'partner' repo
[17:51] <ish2> i don't see medibuntu
[17:51] <charlie-tca> That is where most of the restricted codecs and stuff come from, but it is not ubuntu's
[17:52] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[17:55] <charlie-tca> ish2: this gives some information on repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[17:55] <ish2> hmm, i was able to get vlan, so maybe i do have it, might just not be listed where i'm looking
[17:56] <ish2> i like apt-get, lets me see what's going on without wrapping it in a pretty, useless shell
[17:57] <charlie-tca> It should be listed in the sources tab of 'Software Sources'
[17:57] <ish2> if it wasn't there before, it's in now, thanks
[17:58] <charlie-tca> np. It is worth reading the wiki pages on repositories, if you need to add more
[18:04] <ish2> sometimes, it's just fun to lure friends next to my bluetooth programs, try to cp their contacts
[18:05] <ish2> no one uses my proxies anymore :(
[18:05] <ish2> i like how tor setup so quickly though, tork was a POS and i had to turn it off, idk what was going on with that
[18:06] <ish2> maybe it wasn't running in super user mode, cause it wasn't able to do a darn thing
[18:07] <ish2> just crying all the time, wa wah, can't access this or that
[18:10] <ish2> anyone have experience is bbs style games? the kind you need a special client to play?
[18:11] <G-Bleezy> you mean like muds?
[18:11] <G-Bleezy> muds/mushes/muxes/moos
[18:12] <zoredache> I still login to a telnet-bbs and play LORD every once in a while... why?
[18:15] <ish2> yeah, i gotta go, drama situation, gotta pick someone up, but exactly what i mean
[18:50]  * nikolam sleepy
[18:52] <knome> !media
[18:52] <knome> !codes
[18:52] <knome> !codecs
[19:23] <ish2> !soup
[19:24] <ish2> !anything
[19:24] <ish2> !chess
[19:24] <ish2> !ubottu
[19:32] <ish2> !irc
[19:36] <xenocide21__> anyone know if its possible to install sorcery as the package manager for xubuntu?
[20:42] <jarnos> Can resolution used by gdm login window changed in gdm preferences?
[21:23] <jarnos> Applications > Quit: Unable to quit session, xfce4-session not detected. Still "ps aux" proves it is running.
[21:23] <TheSheep> it doesn't say it's not running, just that it's not detected
[21:24] <jarnos> TheSheep: why not detected?
[21:24] <jarnos> I want to save current session and quit.
[21:25] <TheSheep> jarnos: I don't know, maybe the panel crashed and was restarted, and because it wasn't started by the session it knows nothing about it?
[21:25] <zoredache> I remeber finding a tool somewhere in the past that I could use to download the source of a package by just providing the url to the package dsc.  Can someone remind me what it was?
[21:26] <G-Blunted> apt-get
[21:26] <TheSheep> zoredache: you can download source packages from packages.ubuntu.com too
[21:26] <zoredache> apt-get isn't what I want... I want to get the source package from a different repository without having to setup the repos for apt
[21:27] <jarnos> TheSheep: you can test it by killing panel and restarting it. Do you see normal quit dialog then?
[21:27] <G-Blunted> Applications -> System -> Software Sources
[21:27] <G-Blunted> is that what you want?
[21:27] <zoredache> TheSheep: I know... I jsut rember finding a tool somewhere sounce that would download the source, diff, and extract it all in a single step given only the url for the dsc.
[21:28] <TheSheep> jarnos: sorry, but I have some aaplications with important work opened right now, so I really don't feel like testing at the moment
[21:29] <jarnos> Can you launch the logout dialog from command line? I don't remember the command.
[21:29] <G-Blunted> logout
[21:29] <TheSheep> jarnos: xfce4-session with some parameter
[21:29] <zoredache> G-Blunted: not really, I don't want to setup with, since the package I want is from debian, and I am not in the mood to deal with all the pinning stuff
[21:29] <charlie-tca> jarnos: sudo shutdown -P now  shuts down the system
[21:29] <TheSheep> jarnos: or xfce4-session-logout
[21:29] <G-Blunted> zoredache, apt-get will accept a url for a source package
[21:29] <G-Blunted> and it will download and install
[21:30] <jarnos> charlie-tca: but does not save session.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> True, but I never save a broken session anyway
[21:30] <G-Blunted> whats that mean won't 'save session'?
[21:31] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: xfce can save your running applications when you log out, and restore them when you log in
[21:31] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: but only the apps that support it
[21:31] <TheSheep> G-Blunted: mostly terminal, firefox, etc.
[21:32] <TheSheep> thunar too
[21:32] <zoredache> G-Blunted: apt-get doesn't seem to accept a source... when I do ' apt-get source http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tsclient/tsclient_0.150-1.dsc'
[21:33] <zoredache> I get an error...
[21:34] <G-Blunted> ok maybe i was wrong actually...misread the man page i guess :p
[21:35] <zoredache> no worries, I guess I just have to download the files i want manually
[21:36] <G-Blunted> i think if you do:   wget http://url/to/pkg  that is pretty easy way to download
[21:36] <G-Blunted> and install
[21:36] <G-Blunted> wget http://url/to/pkg | dpkg ./wherever/that/file/landed/     <---maybe that can do it in one line
[21:36] <G-Blunted> or whatever you install with
[21:37] <G-Blunted> i actually have no idea :p
[21:38] <G-Blunted> man sessions are annoying
[21:38] <G-Blunted> every time i startup it always starts up add/remove programs, pidgeon, and something else....even though they weren't open when my computer shut down....is that some sessions thing? Cause the apps that start aren't even in the Startup Programs list...
[21:41] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: That sounds like a saved session
[21:44] <G-Blunted> sweet, where can i look at saved/default sessions and change them?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> ~/.cache/saved_sessions is where they are stored. Just delete it
[21:46] <G-Blunted> i got "Launch Gnome Services on Startup" checked....do you guys think it's okay to uncheck that?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Not sure
[21:47] <rocko> no G-Blunted it will blow up your machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:47] <G-Blunted> oh well i better leave that checked....
[21:47] <rocko> I was joking
[21:48] <rocko> well I think xubuntu comes with gnome services so that it was it is checked
[21:48] <G-Blunted> it says 'vital' system thingies are started up...but im thinkin it's considering pidgeon and add/remove applications vital?
[21:48] <zoredache> it probably won't irresabily break anything
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I don't have them starting here
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I do start firefox, claws-mail, terminal, and Thunar, though
[21:49] <G-Blunted> cause you saved it that way?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:49] <charlie-tca> That is my saved session
[21:49] <G-Blunted> any way you can see what applications are started in a particular session?
[21:50] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I only know to save the session to keep them starting, or uncheck it and delete saved sessions to make it not start them
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I'm really just a user...
[21:51] <G-Blunted> oh come on charlie-tca! we must strive to be more!!
[21:51] <charlie-tca> I'm working on it everyday.
[21:52] <G-Blunted> me too
[21:52] <charlie-tca> If you get to know too much, people want answers from you, don't they?
[21:52] <G-Blunted> im just chillin around tryin to help people with questions....lots of basic questions get asked, i should know the answers to em...so i try to look 'em up and know 'em :p
[21:52] <G-Blunted> should be easy to answer everyone's question tho
[21:52] <charlie-tca> That's what I do, besides QA, testing and bug triage
[21:53] <G-Blunted> that's when you're 31337
[21:53] <G-Blunted> ooo that's chill
[21:53] <G-Blunted> you're involved! :P
[21:53] <charlie-tca> I'm just a user...
[21:56] <G-Blunted> lol...we must strive to be more!
[21:57] <charlie-tca> I keep hoping to learn how to answer questions
[22:06] <G-Blunted> well
[22:06] <G-Blunted> i just got scolded for helping people
[22:06] <G-Blunted> damn..
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I get that about daily
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I'm on 8 mailing lists plus 12 channels here
[22:06] <G-Blunted> man that's messed up...you should just be able to try and help people....
[22:07] <G-Blunted> daaaamn
[22:07] <G-Blunted> i just got on one mailing list just for fun...i don't remember what one...
[22:07] <G-Blunted> but im excited to get mail...i don't get any really :p
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I help on ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com and xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com ; which are the user mailing lists for technical help
[22:09] <G-Blunted> thats pretty sweet
[22:09] <G-Blunted> so you just get a bunch of technical questions in emails every day and you just reply to the person?
[22:09] <G-Blunted> howcome you don't troll the forums?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> lets me think I might be helping sometimes
[22:10] <G-Blunted> 'troll' as in like...not that bad kind... :p
[22:10] <cody-somerville> :)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I don't like the format. It takes too long to find things when I have to scroll through too much
[22:11] <charlie-tca>  Yes to the bunch of tech questions
[22:11] <G-Blunted> thats chill
[22:13] <charlie-tca> You just go here to sign up for mailing lists. https://lists.ubuntu.com/ , but be prepared for a lot of email.
[22:15] <charlie-tca> We can always use help with testing and bug triage, too
[22:17] <G-Blunted> where is xorg.conf located??
[22:18] <charlie-tca> /etc/X11/
[22:44] <diginux> quick question, just upgraded to jaunty, ping can resolve ips, but ssh and firfox cannot, any suggestions?
[22:46] <zoredache> diginux: wow, that sounds unusual.  can you resolve names using the host command?
[22:47] <diginux> zoredache: yup
[22:48] <zoredache> and you are able to ssh by ip?
[22:48] <diginux> zoredache: i kind of remember something like this happening in gentoo once a long time ago, and i had to edit /etc/nssswitch.conf, but that file looks fine on here
[22:48] <diginux> zoredache: yeah, can ssh
[22:48] <diginux> by ip
[22:49] <diginux> can also telnet to port 80 by ip
[22:49] <diginux> so network seems fine except dns
[22:49] <zoredache> can you telnet by name?
[22:49] <diginux> nope, cannot resolve
[22:50] <zoredache> hrm... in the file /etc/nsswitch.conf what is on the line that starts with 'hosts: '?
[22:51] <diginux> hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[22:52] <zoredache> hrm... I would be tempted to change that to simply be 'hosts: files dns'
[22:52] <zoredache> unless you actually need/want bonjure to work
[22:53] <diginux> already tried that, didnt work either
[22:53] <diginux> and i dont care about bonjure, i use xubuntu
[22:53] <diginux> isnt bonjure a gnome thing?
[22:53] <diginux> nm, i take that back, either way, i dont care about it
[22:54] <zoredache> not really, it started off as an Apple OSX thing to make devices on local networks be able to communicate together easier without needing a local dns server
[22:54] <diginux> any other ideas?
[22:54] <diginux> i read something about maybe avahi could be to blame
[22:54] <diginux> is there an alternative to avahi?
[22:55] <zoredache> diginux: just remove avahi... you don't really need it, if you don't need local mdns aka bonjure
[22:55] <diginux> one thing i do note is i think network manager may not be working
[22:55] <diginux> my network icon has a red circle with x on it
[22:55] <diginux> but ifconfig shows its up
[22:56] <charlie-tca> diginux: that's pretty much normal. can you ping www.google.com?
[22:56] <diginux> it didnt have red square with X before i upgraded to jaunty
[22:56] <diginux> and yes, i can ping google
[22:57] <diginux> cant remove avahi, it is needed for banshee, kile, klfickr, etc.
[22:57] <charlie-tca> If you can ping google using that address, it's still working even with the red x
[22:57] <diginux> charlie-tca: so network manager is working, or something else is doing it?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> network manager should be working
[22:58] <diginux> so why would that X be there on it
[22:58] <diginux> if i open up the network manager, it doesnt list any devices under wired
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Mostly it is used by wireless networks
[22:58] <diginux> well either way, the network is working, just saying thats another odd thing happening, i just want my dns to work so i can be on my way :)
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Now I give you back to zoredache . He knows more than me
[23:00] <diginux> zoredache: help!
[23:01] <diginux> im going to try dhcp really quick just to see if that works
[23:03] <diginux> nope, that didn't help
[23:03] <charlie-tca> diginux: are you you using static IP
[23:04] <diginux> charlie-tca: i was, i switched to dhcp quickly to see if that would help, it did not
[23:04] <diginux> would rebooting in a recovery mode with netroot help me determine anything?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Okay, using static ip, you may have to add the DNS to /etc/resolv.conf yourself
[23:05] <diginux> its in there
[23:05] <diginux> like i said pinging a hostname works
[23:05] <diginux> and this all worked before i upgraded to jaunty today
[23:06] <xenocide21> how do i screenshot the desktop?
[23:06] <xenocide21> >.>
[23:06] <charlie-tca> xenocide21: add screenshot to the panel, and then click it
[23:07] <diginux> xenocide21: import -window root -display servername:0 screenshot.png
[23:08] <diginux> xenocide21: dont even need the -display i guess
[23:08] <diginux> just import -window root screenshot.png
[23:09] <zoredache> diginux: you could try rebooting into recovery mode and seeing if you can ssh...
[23:09] <diginux> ok, so booting into recovery mode didnt change anything either
[23:10] <diginux> zoredache: didnt help :(
[23:10] <diginux> this is crazy
[23:14] <charlie-tca> You did the upgrade from 8.10?
[23:15] <FactTech> Anyone know of any known issues with Network Manager in Xubuntu? I'm getting some strange behavior -- most importantly, the "shared to other computers" setting is not working.
[23:16] <FactTech> When I set the interface to use that setting, it is not initialized -- ifconfig shows no IP4 address is assigned.
[23:17] <G-Blunted> man if you were a Grub expert you could help so many people...
[23:26] <zoredache> G-Blunted: perhaps... the tricky part is that person you would be trying to help isn't an expert,  It is a challenge to get them to tell you how their system is partitioned, and what they want to accomplish
[23:26] <zoredache> Grub itself really isn't all that tricky
[23:27] <G-Blunted> ya good call
[23:28] <G-Blunted> altho...i think many people know how their drive is partitioned and stuff....they just don't know what the  root (hd0,0) lines should look like :p
[23:28] <charlie-tca> A lot of questions would not even be asked if people would just look for an answer in the help wiki
[23:28] <G-Blunted> i noticed there's a "pretty colors" section in the menu.lst.....how you turn those on?
[23:28] <G-Blunted> charlie-tca, that is very true...or use google...
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Remove the # in front of it
[23:29] <G-Blunted> google comes up with so many good [ubuntu] topics from the forums
[23:29] <G-Blunted> charlie-tca, the line is like:  color   red/green  grey/blue
[23:29] <G-Blunted> just leave it as it is or choose a color?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> I never say red/green before. mine is always cyan/blue white/blue
[23:35] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: I think the colors are frame/background text/background
[23:44] <G-Blunted> oh ok
[23:44] <G-Blunted> ya i just made up those colors  :p
[23:45] <G-Blunted> got the text background right tho
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Ah-ha, so if you can't read it, you know why
[23:52] <dimsum> hello hello
[23:52] <charlie-tca> hello, dimsum
[23:52] <dimsum> new xubuntu user here, just install one last night
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Welcome to Xubuntu.
[23:53] <dimsum> im using xchat on xubuntu right now :-D
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Which version?
[23:53] <dimsum> it's really nice. i really liked it
[23:53] <dimsum> 8.10
[23:53] <dimsum> latest one i presume.
[23:54] <dimsum> so what's next?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Great. It is the latest stable version. I am running the development version, 9.04
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Going to Jaunty Jackalope 9.04
[23:54] <dimsum> wow.
[23:54] <charlie-tca> It should be released in April
[23:54] <dimsum> i mean, after i installed xubuntu what's next ?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Use it and enjoy it
[23:55] <dimsum> any recommendation? like installing this program or anything..
[23:56] <dimsum> i have something bugging me charlie-tca
[23:56] <charlie-tca> What is it?
[23:57] <dimsum> whenever i hit backspace for too long, the pc seems to make this "beep" sound
[23:57] <dimsum> it's very annoying..
[23:58] <charlie-tca> That is usually because it got to the beginning and you kept pushing it
[23:58] <dimsum> yes but the beep sound how do i remove it ?
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Anybody know how to remove the system beeps?
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Sorry, dimsum. I can't remember.
[23:59] <dimsum> it's okay..