[00:22] vorian: http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/2008olf.odp [00:41] thanks dtchen [00:42] ScottK: kpov is up up and away [00:43] ScottK: what news on bug 323266? [00:43] Launchpad bug 323266 in krusader "Update svn snapshot - required for Jaunty" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/323266 [00:43] Was I working on that? [00:43] yeah, it shows you assigned to it :) [00:43] i can pick it up if you like [00:44] Please [00:44] you got it [00:44] * ScottK totally forgot. [00:44] Thanks. [01:01] ScottK: can you subscribe this? [01:01] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvpnc/+bug/326679 [01:01] Ubuntu bug 326679 in kvpnc "sync-request kvpnc" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:04] lex79: what are you wanting to do? [01:04] meh [01:10] lex79: what are you trying to do with that bug? [01:11] vorian: I updated the package [01:11] kvpnc in repository is for kde3 [01:11] this version is works in kde4 [01:12] hmmm [01:12] is works -> bad english :) [01:12] hehe, me too [01:12] yeah :) [01:14] lex79: so it now is made to work with kde4? [01:14] vorian: yes [01:14] or it's KDE 3, and works with KDE 4 [01:14] no [01:14] it's kde4 [01:14] ok [01:14] and works with kde4 :) [01:15] lex79: for the future: use "new upstream release" instead of "sync-request" [01:15] sync request is used when we sync a package directly from Debian (unchanged) [01:15] secondly [01:16] erm, nevermind :) [01:16] vorian: pe3k opened this bug [01:16] no me :) [01:17] * vorian looks [01:19] maybe this update, fix this bug: [01:19] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvpnc/+bug/237577 [01:19] Ubuntu bug 237577 in kvpnc "kvpnc 0.9.0 doest run as regular user" [Undecided,New] [01:20] lex79: that is debian specific - (the patch in the package) [01:22] lex79: did you test it to see if it solves that bug? [01:22] vorian: yes [01:22] now works great [01:22] and does it? :) [01:23] you can build the package and see [01:23] All i'm saying, if it closes a bug, you should close the bug in the changelog :) [01:25] yes, but I'm not sure, so I didn't close the bug :) [01:25] in changelog [01:25] * vorian tries [01:26] vorian: thanks I send you a kiss from Italy LoL :) [01:28] lex79: hmmm [01:28] I got a segfault [01:28] care to take a closer look at that package? [01:29] uhm in my system works [01:29] You have a segfault when start application? [01:30] lex79: and you have to use your sudo password [01:30] I'm trying now and works [01:31] hmm, got another [01:32] vorian: when? when it start? [01:32] I was using the wizzzzard, creating a ssh connection [01:33] You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: [01:33] libgcc1, libpq5, libasound2, libstdc++6, libpulse0, gcc-4.3-base [01:44] btw kvpnc crashes if importing an existing cisco profile [01:47] ghostcube: yes, https://gna.org/bugs/?12779 [01:48] lex79, hmm it doesnt freeze it just get killed here [01:49] can i run gdb against a super user pid [01:49] oO [01:51] vorian: the problem is in upstream, I try to build kvpnc from sources and same issue "core dumped" [01:52] I can try to take 0.9.1-rc2 instead 0.9.1 stable [01:57] uhmm no...it's for kde3 [02:03] lex79, hmm i have a backtrace for the import crash if you want it [02:07] you can also send here: https://gna.org/bugs/?group=kvpnc [02:08] :) [04:34] * ScottK starts doing plasmoid-foo -> plasma-widget-foo (doing quickaccess first). [04:34] * ScottK considers alchohol step 0. [04:34] ScottK: Are we just renaming them? Or are there more changes that need to be done? [04:37] Renaming source and binary, adding appropriate conflicts/replaces, and adding transitional packages if they existed in Intrepid. [04:38] ScottK: Is there a bug/wiki page to track this? [04:38] nhandler: No. We should probably have one (wiki I would say). [04:40] scottk: I'm about to head to bed, otherwise I would make one. As for the actual packages, I'll try and take care of spellcheck and playwolf (the two I packaged). [04:40] K [04:49] vorian: You still up? [04:49] allo [04:49] ScottK: kind of [04:50] Allo. [04:50] Looking for people to dive in and rename stuff. [04:50] k [04:50] do we have a list? [04:50] I just did quickaccess. [04:50] ok [04:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/116315/ [04:51] vorian: ^^ List [04:51] Less quickaccess it's the output of reverse-build-depends libplasma-dev|grep plasmoid [04:52] ScottK: ok, i'll start at the bottom [04:52] Great. [04:52] rgreening: Want some? [04:53] vorian: Did you see nhandler's note about the ones he'd do? [04:53] no ... [04:53] yes [04:53] * vorian just scrolled up [04:53] OK [04:53] Don't do those. [04:53] ;-) [04:55] ScottK: I'm currently working on Kpackagekit fixes [04:55] rgreening: That's definitely more important [04:56] I'm trying to get the "simplified" Add/Remove programs view from Adept_manager/Adept into Kpackagekit. Struggling a bit... but that's mostly due to my C++ rustiness [05:00] * ScottK hands rgreening a can of oil. [05:00] ty [05:00] ScottK: know any c++? [05:01] Nope. It's one of the beauties of KDE. I can't actually fix stuff so I don't need to feel guilty. [05:01] It's one reason I was so happy to see Guidance go away. I do know Python, so I could fix that. [05:02] lol [05:02] vorian: My policy for this is no transitional package if it wasn't in intrepid. Users of development releases are supposed to keep up with this stuff. [05:02] vorian: How say you? [05:02] I have two constructors, and I want one to call the other with an extra parameter [05:03] stumped [05:03] ScottK: agreed [05:03] Excellent. [05:05] vorian: Looks like descriptions will need some adjustment too. [05:05] nhandler: ^^^ [05:06] s/plasmoid/plasma widget/ ? [05:08] Yes [05:08] plasma-widget-windowslist finished [05:08] on to wifi [05:08] Oh man, don't make me race you, I've been drinking. [05:08] haha [05:11] vorian: I'm checking for new upstream releases as I go too. [05:13] alrighty [05:27] wifi done [05:28] ScottK: here is the updated list http://paste.ubuntu.com/116329/ [05:28] * vorian sleeps [05:29] vorian: Thanks. [05:29] no problemo [05:29] i have to get ready for a day of but chewing from my boss on the morrow [05:30] Lovely. [05:31] I'd have thought lack of sleep and a hangover would be perfect for that. [05:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/116332/ is updated even more. [06:06] * a|wen starts downloading hardy.1 i386 to find out if the oem issues really is a regression [06:07] rgreening: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ctors.html#faq-10.3 [06:11] ScottK: apart from oem, which i just need to check is a regression or not, wubi is the only thing missing on i386 [06:21] a|wen: Great. I keep looking for someone with windows .... [06:21] No one confesses to have it. [06:21] Not even the great Vista lover himself. [06:25] yeah, it is not that widespread, he [06:26] * a|wen confesses to have windows xp on a comp of mine... but it is more than 3500 miles away locked away in a cellar === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Plasmoid/Plasma-widget rename - http://paste.ubuntu.com/116347/ | ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing? -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [06:28] OK. New topic has the status on the plasmoid rename. Somone else's turn. [06:28] * ScottK is off to bed. [06:29] nn ScottK [09:44] morning Kubuntu [09:45] morning Mr. Riddell [09:50] morning everyone :) [09:51] Riddell: have you seen the kcometen4 screensaver ? it's a must have, really [09:51] Riddell: I can package it if you're interested [09:54] Riddell: I've seen amarok sometimes stoping at the end of a song and then unable to play anything... [09:54] you have to quit and restart [09:55] Riddell: I didn't have this problem before your last upload... don't know if there is a link or not since I can't trace what happens... [09:56] Riddell: I'm on contrib on friday... I think I'll try to work on a starting kubuntu qa process, as we discussed quickly at the UDS [09:59] Tonio_: never need kcometen4 [09:59] hmm, that's not right [09:59] Tonio_: never seen kcometen4 [10:00] Tonio_: also I've not seen amarok stopping at the end of a song, do you have the collection working? [10:00] Riddell: I'll put a little package on my ppa :) that's just fancy btw, but it's really very beautifull :) [10:00] Riddell: yeah that's inside my collection btw [10:01] Riddell: it happens quite often.... sometimes it won't even quit and I have to kill the process... [10:56] Riddell: if you want to test this little screensaver, you can install it from my ppa :) [10:56] Riddell: I'm in love with it [11:38] ~twitter update there's a thin line between blending fruit to make a nutricious smoothie and blending fruit to make baby food [11:38] status updated [11:45] * Nightrose waves @ Riddell and Tonio_ [11:45] hey Nightrose :) [11:45] how are you Tonio_? [11:46] still a bit sick.... but feeling a bit better :) [11:46] Nightrose: at fosdem arrived with a 39° fever.... [11:46] meh [11:47] Nightrose: Riddell took a photo from me sleeping in the middle of a conference :) [11:47] that was unfair hehe [11:47] hehe yea seen it [11:47] fregl and I walked around brussles yesterday before driving back home - that was fun [11:47] the drive back home not so much [11:47] train++ [11:48] :) [11:49] police stopped us for a control, it was snowing and raining all the time and there were many traffic jams because of accidents on the highway [11:49] train++ [11:49] :) [11:49] * Nightrose still wonders why were were stopped by police though [11:49] I bet it took you more than the 4 hours it took me to get from brussels to KA :) [11:49] * Nightrose stabs Sput [11:50] I also bet you didn't have a restaurant with warm foods and cold beers in walking distance for the whole trip : [11:50] :P [11:50] pffft [11:50] i had a nice travel companion though :P [11:50] and only one of them! [11:50] well, you could've concentrated much better on each other if one of you didn't have to drive! [11:51] *lol* [11:51] I love traveling between Frankfurt and Cologne with 300 km/h alongside a highway that's clogged with cars :) [11:54] Sput: since you're there, I've had a lot of question about quassel at work :) [11:55] well, best to ask them in #quassel :) [11:55] Sput: everyone's impressed, but lots of people noticed an issue with non-existent shortcuts for common tasks (aka ctrl+w -> close buffer...) [11:55] hmm, shortcuts need tons of work [11:55] Sput: yeah sure, but I don't wanna ping if that's a known issue and being in the work :) if needed to ping, I'll do, of course :) [11:56] vorian: I looked at plasmoid-flickr and I'm a bit confused where you got the update as the upstream page listed in debian/control has version 0.1, but you updated it to 0.3.1? [11:59] Tonio_: we'll get to improving shortcuts, not sure when though... [11:59] * Sime waves at Nightrose [11:59] heya Sime :) [12:00] Sput: perfectly fine :) [12:14] Riddell: is there a reason we have no phonon-backend-vlc in the archives ? [12:14] Riddell: could be usefull for legal reasons in some countries (including france...) [12:26] Tonio_: no, although it can't be part of the phonon source package since vlc is in multiverse [12:27] Riddell: yeah, but external packaging, even in multiverse, could be usefull [12:27] go ahead [12:27] Riddell: testing :) [12:27] Riddell: for MS formats support, vlc is the only legal option here for example :) [12:28] Riddell: and I guess everywhere, btw, since w32codecs is hardly deployable in corp environment :) [12:28] or on a amd64 box [12:29] vlc isn't a subscritute for w32codecs, w32codecs is only for stuff where there's no free implementation, if there's a free implementation then it can also be used by xine or mplayer [12:35] and there's w64codecs too :p [12:36] For the plasmoid renaming, after modifying the package and uploading, do I have to file a removal request for the old version of the plasmoid? [12:46] scottk: ping === nhandler changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Plasmoid/Plasma-widget rename - http://paste.ubuntu.com/116441/ | ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing? -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [12:57] scottk: Is it necessary to file removal requests for the old versions of the plasmoids? [13:03] Riddell: looks like the current git is unlikelly to build... I'll try to ping the vlc maintainer... [13:07] nhandler: Yes, but let's get them all done and then make one request. [13:08] nhandler: where I should submit renamed package? [13:29] Riddell: about vlc vs xine, I agree with you, xine could read it, but the fact is that there are proprietary formats that only vlc can handle the opensource way... [13:30] Riddell: cause xine supports w32codecs and then nobody cares an opensource implementation for those [13:30] Riddell: I'm not happy with that, but this is real life in corp env :) [13:30] Riddell: I have to do with what exists, and I'm stick with VLC atm [13:30] s/stick/stuck/ [13:33] at least vlc is now QT, better than nothing :) [13:33] Riddell: a simple example is wma support, how do you do with xine and without w32codecs -> no way... [13:34] vlc handles them [13:37] Tonio_: but vlc isnt very stable [13:37] its still buggy as hell [13:38] xine works much better [13:39] ghostcube: yep, but for example, when the french parliament wants linux, and wma support, what would you do ? ;) [13:40] ghostcube: and vlc isn't that unstable, we're using it for 2 years and had maybe 5 or 6 bug reports for it [13:40] ghostcube: I wouldn't say you about thunderbird, for example :) [13:40] lol ok 1:0 for u [13:40] seele, Riddell: I am close to getting a working Add/Remove (simplified) for KpackageKit... very close... [13:41] yay [13:41] Tonio_: but it has probs with peg files [13:41] mpeg [13:41] ghostcube: I'll always use xine on my own, but phonon + vlc is, at the moment, a great opportunity for corp environement, before people switch to open formats [13:41] Tonio_: ok thats true :) [13:41] ghostcube: switching formats is a lot longuer and harder job than switching the OS :) [13:42] hehe [13:42] if your pc is fast enough :D [13:42] rgreening: we don't believe you until you supply screenshots :) [13:42] and that because for a parliamenter, if linux can't handle a specific format, that's a bug [13:42] Tonio_: sure like politicans always do blaming things they dont really get :D [13:42] on the long term, they finally understand the real cause, and tend to understand, which is really good on the politics side, but that's a long, long story [13:43] ghostcube: not only politicians, *normal* users :) [13:43] oh ok :) [13:43] ghostcube: users just consider opening a file should work by a click [13:43] Riddell: lol [13:43] ghostcube: and they're not wrong imho [13:44] Tonio_: no thats true that vlc can handle it natively [13:44] but they still need to get the nightly build server back up and running [13:44] :D [13:44] ghostcube: but vlc UI is bad, so for example phonon-backend-vlc + amarok + kaffeine/dragonplayer [13:44] ghostcube: that would make a legal desktop, a lot more consistent and well integrated [13:44] Tonio_: one thing thats better on vlc is the mozilla plugin cause it works with midori too [13:45] Tonio_: the prob for vlc is the advanced GUI [13:45] u get lost in this one if you dont know what to do [13:45] ghostcube: and for this web problem, you then have phonon-backend-vlc + konqueror/webkit + kmplayer [13:45] and you're done [13:45] ghostcube: now you see my point :) [13:45] and still consistent web browsing with a good plugin and a legal engine [13:45] hmm yep ok makes sense [13:45] :f [13:45] :D [13:46] but for that we need the backend in the repos, hehehe :) [13:46] hi guys [13:46] Tonio_: isnt the vlc backend there i thought its available by apt-cache search oO [13:46] ghostcube: there isn't that many linux desktop in corp environments, and very few people know the real problems in there [13:46] ghostcube: was droped with 4.1 or 4.2 [13:46] oh [13:47] seele: talking about that, I reallize we discussed a potential conf for the next akademy.... would you still be interested in this ? [13:47] seele: the present discussion is exactly what I could be talking about :) [13:47] Riddell: here http://imagebin.ca/view/R25FVK.html and here http://imagebin.ca/view/JqVavc.html === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [13:48] Riddell: the empty box on the left in second shot needs to be populated (working that now). [13:49] Riddell: also, wording for Software Management needs to be changed/updated to show two different purposes (Package vs Application) [13:49] seele: ^^ [13:49] believe me now Riddell :) muhahahah === k4v is now known as m4v [14:09] Riddell: not use enough water/yogurt/ice in your smoothie? [14:10] rgreening: yay [14:10] seele: none at all actually [14:10] :P [14:10] Riddell: that's probably why it was baby food :P [14:10] hum... I'm sick of those X crashes... [14:11] my wife has just started making our own baby food for my son.... most of it looks disgusting [14:11] rgreening: what about Applications and Packages -- Management? or will that be too long? [14:11] Tonio_: i dont know what you are talking about. what conf? [14:12] ScottK: it seems there are two flickr plasmoids :/ [14:12] dunno seele [14:12] ScottK: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Flickr+On+Plasma?content=94800 [14:12] seele: when we discussed those corp things and problem, you told me it would be very nice giving a talk about that at next akademy :) [14:13] seele: sorry I used the bad word s/conference/talk :) [14:13] seele: don't you remember ? [14:13] oh yes, i do, but i meant for you to give that talk :) [14:14] seele: I know :) the thing is that I had lots of work recently and couldn't spend time thinking about that :) [14:14] Tonio_: btw.. i hear the weather sucks in paris. i'm surprised you have power now [14:14] seele: I'm sirprised too :) [14:14] Tonio_: well the call for papers hasn't been released yet so you have plenty of time to think about it :) [14:15] seele: great, I'll consider this then, cause the discussion we just had with ghostcube makes me think those issues are sometimes not understood :) [14:16] Tonio_: yeah if u live in germany like me its normal to first of all install th w64codecs [14:16] :D [14:16] then start the rest [14:16] is that legal ? :) [14:16] so i dont really have noticed its not always the best to do so [14:16] Tonio_: yep [14:17] how can it be ? the microsoft licence explicitely forbids that... was this point judged in a court ? [14:17] the only one thats discussed is libdvdcss [14:17] its not forbidden to use the codecs here [14:17] which microsoft license? :P [14:17] never seen any process talking about [14:17] the one I never agreed to? [14:17] lol [14:17] Sput: yeah, that one :) [14:18] * Sput notes that EULAs are illegal and void in the EU [14:18] * jussi01 huggles Sput [14:18] except if explicitly agreed on pre-deal [14:18] ghostcube: I can't imagin using the wma.dll for example is legal anywhere outside of the windows context... [14:18] there's no copying licence [14:18] hmm no idea but its not illegal here to use it [14:18] licenses for use are void anyway [14:19] they can only cover copyright [14:19] w32codecs don't have copying licence [14:19] Riddell, ScottK: all the hardy.2 tests should be finished soon [14:19] all german linux users first install the w32codecs without you wont be able to watch any web tv here all wmv :D [14:19] vorian: So I guess the package needs to be updated to reflect that one. [14:20] Riddell: well, they are published by mplayer, so not a downstream problem, is it? [14:20] Riddell: the package, but the files in it, at least the MS ones, are covered by the MS one [14:20] ScottK: yeah, i'm working on it now since i'm the one that changed it [14:20] Riddell: we have an advocate at work that looked at that very deeply [14:20] Sput: I think you'll find that Microsoft would still take you to court if they found you to be in breech of their EULA [14:20] Riddell: you can use and copy them if : [14:20] you have paid a Windows licence [14:20] davmor2: not the first time they'd lose that one... shrinkwrapped licenses are not valid in the EU [14:20] AND you are not using 2 copies of the same file [14:21] so bying windows, not installing it, and use w32codecs, yes that's legal [14:21] as soon as you have bought something, there is no way for the seller to impose additional restrictions on the deal [14:21] as long as you have a windows licence per computer running w32codecs. [14:21] davmor2: Great. I really appreciate all the help. [14:22] vorian: OK. [14:22] Riddell: same with ie4linux for example.... that's illegal except if you have a windows licence.... that sucks, I know :) [14:22] Sput: if the files don't have a copying licence of course its a downstream problem [14:23] davmor2: microsoft cant do anything inside EU they arent allowed to take you to court [14:23] even if you miswatch eula and use the libraries on linux [14:23] the MS Eula is pure not accepted in EU [14:23] Riddell: hmm true, mplayer seems to not add anything to their files [14:28] ghostcube: that's probably true in germany but not in france :) [14:28] yes thats true too lol [14:28] :D [14:28] but i know how to get an french win 98 to login as admin rofl [14:28] just change the speach [14:28] :D [14:28] its not allowed to crypt the passes [14:28] :D [14:29] something strange isnt it :) [14:31] i think the french pc politic isnt the best they ever done in the past haha [14:35] ghostcube: there's nothing difficult or locale specific about w32codecs, they're proprietry software without a copying licence [14:37] will guidance-power-manager still be in jaunty? and if so, with whom do I speak about a proposed change I have to the battery display? Thanks in advance [14:37] Riddell: i know was just joking a bit [14:37] :) [14:47] shtylman: jaunty will use powerdevil by default [14:47] shtylman: guidance will still be available for install, but it won't be installed by default [14:47] shtylman: afaik guidance-power-manager is still in universe, but due to the change, I'll probably stay poorly maintained in the future... [14:48] Tonio_: will powerdevel also be the frontend? or just the backend? I am reading on kde-apps that it will feature a plasmoid "soon", where can I find more information? [14:49] shtylman: the plasmoid is already in 4.2 and works like a charm :) [14:50] Tonio_: I have 4.2 installed, what would the plasmoid be called? cause I have 4.2 installed over ibex and guidance still keeps popping up [14:51] battery monitor [14:51] Tonio_: I hacked at guidance to change the battery display from the default (3 discrete bars) to a continuous display, and want to see if the new plasmoid can do the same [14:52] shtylman: the plasmoid does it ;) [14:52] Tonio_: excellent news! [14:52] :) [15:03] Tonio_: so I popped open my laptop to try the battery monitor instead, and it too seems to break the battery full indication into sections versus being continuous (is this in a new version that isn't out yet)? [15:04] Riddell, ScottK: test done :) [15:05] shtylman: it has 4 bars, but the gradiant of the bar is proportional to the battery level [15:07] Tonio_: I see, thats not very obvious to me, and I could easily see others missing it. Is that plasmoid writting in python like guidance was? or something else? and where could I grab the source for it (kde repos?), I would like to make it be a continuous battery display. Thanks [15:09] powerdevil++ [15:09] also powerdevil can display a percentage [15:10] on hover or always [15:10] Sput: yea I know about that, but I would like to make it have a continuous battery display as well..good for small icons where the percent text isn't as easy to see [15:11] The battery percentage is inherently contnuous, at least integer step, and I don't see a benefit to breaking it up into thirds or fourths, that just hides the true information (imho) [15:12] shtylman: it's C++ [15:12] Tonio_: cool, I know that too (even better than python) :) [15:14] shtylman: see with upstream first if he is interested in the change :) [15:15] Tonio_: how would I go about doing that? is there a particular person I want to talk to? Also, I am going to make the change for myself first (just to have), and can send along a patch to whomever as an example, would that be a better thing to do? [15:17] shtylman: the applet developer, probably :) [15:17] apt-get source powerdevil and look in the sources what is the maintainer e-mail address [15:18] Tonio_: thanks a bunch...will do === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Plasmoid/Plasma-widget rename - http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/116480/ | ISO testing needed for 8.04.2 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | e-mail Riddell for STICKERS | Feature Freeze Feb 19 - How are we doing? -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [15:18] shtylman: you're welcome [15:19] JontheEchidna: what's that plasmoid rename thingy? [15:19] Riddell: thinking about the topic, should we rename all plasmoid* packages to plasma-widget* ? thinking about pnm for that :) [15:21] Tonio_: yes that's what the topic says [15:22] Riddell: hum, since some of them were only existing in jaunty, should we provide the old name or not ? [15:22] Riddell: not needed for intrepid -> jaunty, but for our users,could be usefull I think, no ? [15:24] Riddell: or do we want a standard conflicts/replace ? [15:27] shrug [15:27] I probably wouldn't bother [15:30] Riddell: okay, that was my first plan, but I wanted to be sure about you on that point :) [15:31] Riddell: I'll ping you when plasma-widget-network-manager wil be in NEW [15:31] hi, do you ship any patches for kopete that add some functionality? [15:32] we in gentoo have this bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258428 [15:32] bugs.gentoo.org bug 258428 in KDE "kde-base/kopete-4.2.0 missing menu items" [Normal,New] [15:32] and i dunno if we forget something [15:32] or it is that you add something special [15:36] Riddell: hum, we probably don't want our users to complain there is a conflict with the old one so I'll keep a conflict for couple of weeks in the package, waiting for people to install it [15:39] Riddell: the jaunty users I mean... [15:41] scarabeus: I think we ship a pretty much untouched kopete, no patches aside from a string change in the "now listening" preferences [15:42] JontheEchidna: mhm, thanks, that means there is some magic elsewhere :] [15:42] scarabeus: in the help menu item there is some items pointing to launchpad, that you probably don't have ... but apart from that no [15:43] scarabeus: he seems to be talking about the shortcut configuration, and that is an upstream item [15:44] hm, we ship it unchanged i will ask for screenie and see what he means exactly then [15:44]