[00:00] <genii> !br | elton
[00:01] <elton> #ubuntu-be
[00:02] <genii> elton: eg:    /join #ubuntu-br
[00:15] <dhq> how do i use 2 internet connections togeather
[00:17] <downhill_> dhq: that's not a trivial task...
[00:18] <dhq> downhill_: its not possible
[00:19] <downhill_> it is, it's just a pain in the ass.
[00:19] <downhill_> what I'm saying is, you don't just plug in 2 wires and go.
[00:20] <genii> It is possible. Look at using ifenslave
[00:21] <LordOfDragons> hi there
[00:21] <LordOfDragons> have got a little problem
[00:21] <LordOfDragons> i want to install something in wine, an old app
[00:22] <LordOfDragons> but for some reason it keeps overwriting my drives setup which results in my memstick ending up as d:
[00:22] <LordOfDragons> winehq guys says this is not wine behavior so it must be kubuntu at fault
[00:22] <LordOfDragons> how can I disable this behavior=?
[00:25] <zaapiel-mobile> <3 kde4
[00:30] <zaapiel-mobile> how can i tell how fast my cd burner is?
[00:31] <zaapiel-mobile> like default highest speed
[00:31] <szakulec> open k3b and check what speeds it offers you
[00:33] <Mikee|> Hello -- I'm a new user and I've just installed 8.10
[00:34] <Mikee|> I'm trying to search for packages in Adept, but it doesn't seem to be working.
[00:34] <Mikee|> If I type in, say, firefox to the search bar and hit enter, nothing comes up.
[00:34] <Mikee|> Am I missing something?
[00:35] <bazhang> Mikee|, open a terminal
[00:35] <bazhang> Mikee|, konsole in kde iirc
[00:36] <Mikee|> Ok
[00:36] <bazhang> Mikee|, now type: apt-cache search firefox , or aptitude search firefox
[00:37] <Mikee|> bazhang: a few dozen packages show up.
[00:37] <bazhang> Mikee|, should be a huge list
[00:37] <Mikee|> Yes.
[00:38] <Mikee|> Hrm, I wonder why that's not happening in the GUI, though.
[00:39] <bazhang> !info firefox-3.0
[00:39] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install (packagename here)
[00:40] <Mikee|> Aha -- there are several unlabelled toggle switches under the search box. Toggling the right combination of them makes the search work.
[00:40] <bazhang> nice
[00:40] <Mikee|> :)
[00:40] <bazhang> dont use adept much
[00:40] <Mikee|> After a first glance, I don't blame you :)
[00:40] <bazhang> synaptic is for gnome but the terminal is nice if you know the package name :)
[00:41] <bazhang> Mikee|, in IRC you can /msg ubottu and find stuff fast
[00:42] <bazhang> for example /msg ubottu info (packagename)
[00:42] <bazhang> or use the find command if you are not sure
[00:42] <bazhang> !find firefox-3
[00:42] <Mikee|> bazhang: Good to know. I was hoping for a more intuitive gui though -- I'm used to gentoo's portage. The user-friendly-ness of adept is a bit troubling.
[00:43] <bazhang> then use the info on that
[00:43] <Mikee|> That's a nice bot :)
[00:43] <bazhang> Mikee|, best to just use the konsole/terminal imo :)
[00:43] <szakulec> my xrandr support isn't working now- I can't change resolutions without it kicking me out to the login screen
[00:43] <bazhang> Mikee|, you can also install synaptic package manager but it will add some gnome libs
[00:44] <Mikee|> I may just do that -- this is a friend's pc, and I don't think they'll like having to use the terminal that much :)
[00:44] <Mikee|> Thanks for the help!
[00:44] <bazhang> :)
[01:00] <Carter_> there somebody here
[01:30] <tekteen> this chan has been dead for 30 min, scary
[01:39] <mefisto__> kubuntu must be completely trouble-free now
[01:39] <darkenergy> really?
[01:40] <mefisto__> no problems reported here :)
[01:40] <darkenergy> how about the bluetooth?
[01:40] <darkenergy> stopped me from upgrading to intrepid
[01:40] <darkenergy> is it fixed now?
[01:40] <mefisto__> just joking about lack of activity in here
[01:41] <darkenergy> well i'm really considering trying fedora
[01:41] <mefisto__> what's wrong with bluetooth that's stopping the upgrade darkenergy?
[01:44] <darkenergy> i use a pand network to share an internet connection
[01:44] <darkenergy> tight budget
[01:50] <mefisto__> darkenergy: is it kbluetooth that is the problem, or is it some underlying problem?
[01:51] <darkenergy> underlying
[01:51] <darkenergy> the entire bluez implementation was changed
[01:52] <darkenergy> i think some issues have been resolved but don't think it's quite there yet
[01:52] <inanimate> Does KDE 4.2 support multi-monitor in ways other than cloning your existing screen?
[01:53] <darkenergy> i would be really surprised if it didn't
[01:53] <darkenergy> i think that's an X feature
[01:54] <inanimate> In 4.1 there was an option in Display Settings to change it, but that option has since disappeared.
[01:54] <downhill_> yeah that doesn't have much to do with desktop environments :)
[01:54] <inanimate> Yeah, that's the idea...
[01:54] <darkenergy> the problem is configuration options are not always there
[01:54] <inanimate> But chaning your xorg.conf is a hassle with multi-monitor.
[01:54] <downhill_> you're telling me.
[01:55]  * downhill_ points at his shut-off 19" CRT
[01:55]  * inanimate points at his shut off 17" LCD...
[01:55] <inanimate> Which is why 4.2 was so awesome because not only did it do it for you, but it worked magically.
[01:55] <darkenergy> i don't care for magically
[01:55] <inanimate> Except now you can only clone screens.
[01:55] <downhill_> can't you do it with amdcccle/nvidia-whatever
[01:55] <downhill_> nvidia-settings
[01:56] <inanimate> GMA 950...
[01:56]  * downhill_ shrugs
[01:56] <darkenergy> the whole reason i chose KDE over GNOME in the first place was configurability
[01:56] <darkenergy> most settings were central in kcontrol
[01:56] <inanimate> No NVIDIA settings over here... It's an integrated Intel.
[01:56] <inanimate> Yeah.
[01:57] <downhill_> that's only one small part of why I like KDE4
[01:57] <downhill_> er love, really...
[01:57] <inanimate> Definitely a small part for me, but not being able to do left of, right of, et cetera, arguably makes multi-monitor for non-presentations useless.
[01:57] <darkenergy> i should upgrade
[01:57] <inanimate> Because seeing my screen twice isn't exactly going to help productivity.
[01:58] <downhill_> typos - now in stereo!
[01:58] <darkenergy> inanimate: those configuration frontends edit the xorg.conf file anyway
[01:58] <downhill_> honestly I've yet to see anything match Windows' multi-monitor support. it's awesome.
[01:58] <inanimate> downhill_: Heh, exactly!
[01:58] <darkenergy> if you really want it, do it the old fashioned way
[01:59] <inanimate> darkenergy: I suppose...
[01:59] <inanimate> I was just curious if there was actually a documented reason why the frontend can't do it.
[01:59] <inanimate> Or, rather, can't do it *anymore*.
[01:59] <inanimate> (Could in 4.1)
[01:59] <darkenergy> hmm, can't you install kcontrol from kde3? would that work?
[02:00] <inanimate> Hmm...
[02:00] <inanimate> Perhaps.
[02:00] <inanimate> I don't even know if KDE 3 could even do anything good with multi monitor though.
[02:00] <darkenergy> it does
[02:00] <inanimate> From what I remember it was useless.
[02:00] <downhill_> well, if you make sure KDE4's doesn't try applying settings and you avoid opening the Display KCM for it ;)
[02:01] <downhill_> er applying settings at log-in*
[02:01] <inanimate> It would probably only apply the settings once you apply them in the KCM.
[02:02] <downhill_> there's an option for persistence in the KDE4 one
[02:02] <inanimate> I wonder if RandR can do it...
[02:02] <downhill_> give it a shot
[02:02] <inanimate> Persistence?
[02:02] <downhill_> yeah, keeping settings across (X server) reboots
[02:03] <inanimate> Interesting, where's that?
[02:03] <downhill_> it says "Apply these settings at log-in time" or something to that effect. uh *looks*
[02:04] <downhill_> well it *did* wtf
[02:04] <inanimate> Yeah, I didn't see it.
[02:04] <downhill_> they've moved some things around... looking
[02:04] <mefisto__> they upgraded it on you downhill_ !
[02:06] <downhill_> I can't find it anywhere anymore, inanimate >.< it was there tho, I swear
[02:06] <inanimate> So how does it reload the xorg.conf without restarting X?
[02:06] <downhill_> it doesn't. KDE stores it's own settings and appl(ied?) them on boot
[02:07] <inanimate> Oh...
[02:07] <inanimate> Because I'm wondering where the dual montior settings are stored and I want to slightly hack them to potentially position the screen.
[02:07] <inanimate> And xorg.conf definitely looks to not be the place...
[02:07] <downhill_> it is, unless you use xrandr
[02:09] <inanimate> I think KDE is using xrandr.
[02:09] <downhill_> intel stuff most probably does
[02:09] <downhill_> KDE can, yes
[02:09] <inanimate> There's the KDE krandrtray, which mirrors xrandr's output.
[02:10] <inanimate> And the KCM module looks to be in sync with xrandr.
[02:10] <downhill_> like when I used Windows, I keep that crap outta my tray :p
[02:10] <downhill_> mhmm
[02:10] <inanimate> Yeah, me too.
[02:10] <inanimate> I wanted to see if it could do non-cloning.
[02:10] <downhill_> yeah. you prolly need the command-line tool for that.
[02:12] <inanimate> Oh, I think I see what the hell is going on.
[02:12] <inanimate> So KDE *does* support the feature, but naturally the Intel drivers are sucking.
[02:12] <inanimate> And by KDE, I mean KDE's xrandr frontend.
[02:12] <downhill_> Xorg? shitty drivers? never.
[02:13] <inanimate> Blasphemy.
[02:13] <downhill_> :)
[02:13] <inanimate> But yeah...
[02:13] <inanimate> xrandr --output VGA --left-of LVDS
[02:13] <inanimate> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1400x1400 (desired size 2680x1050)
[02:13] <downhill_> hah!
[02:13] <inanimate> So that's definitely the drivers bitching.
[02:14] <downhill_> I'm gonna plug in my 2nd monitor. $5 says my system hangs. *grabs cable*
[02:15] <inanimate> Found a workaround on a blog about basically this exact issue with my hardware setup (ThinkPad T60, et cetera). I guess you lose direct rendering, but I don't really care.
[02:16] <darkenergy> how's the adhoc wireless networking in intrepid?
[02:17] <inanimate> So it looks like KDE knew the feature would fail, so didn't show the option. I suppose that's better than GNOME's implementation (shows the option but it doesn't do anything), but I feel the ideal solution would be to show the option disabled (with possibly an explanation), or even better, implement a hack to get it to work.
[02:17] <downhill_> nope, just X.org *surprise*
[02:18] <inanimate> One day KDE's frontend (and xrandr) will 1up Windows.
[02:18] <inanimate> One day...
[02:20] <downhill_> keep saying it. maybe it'll happen. *doesn't hold breath*
[02:21] <inanimate> Honestly, if your hardware doesn't suck, I'm pretty sure it basically works at this point.
[02:21] <downhill_> don't get me wrong, I love the OS, I love the desktop, but boy do I hate Xorg :p
[02:21] <inanimate> Yeah, I hear that.
[02:22] <darkenergy> inanimate: your second monitor is larger than the first?
[02:23] <inanimate> In size but not in resolution...
[02:23] <darkenergy> try specifying a size then
[02:24] <inanimate> What do you mean?
[02:24] <VioletsPie_> I have noticed that my university's computer science department uses kubuntu and not ubuntu, why is that?
[02:24] <hubar_> hmm, how do I add/remove/edit stuff that is in my favorite menu?
[02:25] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: because they chose KDE over Gnome, probably
[02:25] <inanimate> VioletsPie_: Because apparently your university is awesome. May I ask what University is that?
[02:25] <VioletsPie_> is KDE better?
[02:25] <hubar_> VioletsPie_: They probably like KDE better than GNOME.
[02:25] <inanimate> Eh...
[02:25] <VioletsPie_> i have a friend at a diff university and they use kubuntu as well
[02:25] <inanimate> Neither is "better".
[02:25] <downhill_> there is no better. there is no best. there is only the right tool for the job
[02:25] <VioletsPie_> there's a "linux lab" and they run kubuntu
[02:26] <downhill_> pretty cool. you should take some pix and upload 'em to a blog or flickr album or something =D
[02:26] <inanimate> That's a lot better than my University which uses Fedora and Gnome...
[02:26] <mefisto__> obviously using kde makes you smarter
[02:26] <downhill_> inanimate: my sympathies
[02:26] <VioletsPie_> should i switch?
[02:26] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: at home?
[02:27] <hubar_> well, it is enough for their purpose, web browsing and programming training.
[02:27] <VioletsPie_> im not a comp sci major, just noticed that when i wandered into their "linux lab"
[02:27] <HighAndDry> hello everyone
[02:27] <hubar_> I mean with Fedora/GNOME
[02:27] <inanimate> Both Gnome and KDE can accomplish the same basic stuff.
[02:27] <VioletsPie_> im not a ubuntu expert either i dual boot xp and ubuntu
[02:27] <VioletsPie_> KDE defintely "looks cooler" and it also reminded me more of windows
[02:27] <downhill_> KDE 4.2 rocks, man.
[02:27] <inanimate> VioletsPie_: If you haven't really tried KDE 4.2, I'd highly recommend it.
[02:27] <inanimate> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <VioletsPie_> that's it?
[02:28] <inanimate> That's it.
[02:28] <downhill_> eh the clean way is to reinstall with Kubuntu
[02:28] <VioletsPie_> what's the potential pitfalls
[02:28] <inanimate> Yeah, but that's a lot more work...
[02:28] <downhill_> you don't like it and wasted some time.
[02:28] <inanimate> If he doesn't have a .kde, then he's a lot better off.
[02:28] <downhill_> this is very true
[02:28] <inanimate> Unlike me, which spent two days fixing my broken .kde.
[02:28] <mefisto__> VioletsPie_: the menus in both kde and gnome become a little messy
[02:29] <VioletsPie_> ill prob just stick it on my laptop
[02:29] <hubar_> I hated KDE 4.1.
[02:29] <downhill_> moreso in KDE3 than the search-oriented KDE4
[02:29] <VioletsPie_> when i have a chance
[02:29] <hubar_> A lot of broken stuff.
[02:29] <hubar_> And things that don't make sense.
[02:29] <inanimate> Actually, it was awesome. Because I had a 3.5 .kde, and a 4.0 .kde4, and then when Kubuntu went 100% KDE 4, they changed it back to .kde. So things went insane.
[02:29] <mefisto__> 4.2 was a huge improvement over 4.1
[02:30] <slicslak> kde 4.2.  where is the screensaver setting?  screen is going dark after a period of time, i want it to keep going.
[02:30] <downhill_> inanimate: good story brah
[02:30] <downhill_> (sorry, couldn't resist)
[02:30] <inanimate> Heh...
[02:30] <inanimate> fdisk looked very, very tempting.
[02:30] <inanimate> But I resisted.
[02:30] <darkenergy> so kde4 fans, does bluetooth WORK?
[02:31] <inanimate> hubar_ and VioletsPie_: KDE 4.2 is usuable now.
[02:31] <inanimate> Like, very usable.
[02:31] <downhill_> the only thing I own bluetooth has it's own analog male end :p
[02:31] <inanimate> darkenergy: I think so.
[02:31] <inanimate> I can check.
[02:31] <hubar_> kbluetooth crashes every time when I wake up from hibernation.
[02:31] <VioletsPie_> ubuntu hates my video card
[02:31] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: which one?
[02:31] <darkenergy> inanimate: can you run 'pand' from the command line?
[02:31] <inanimate> hubar_: Yes, that happens to me too.
[02:31] <SkEmO> hey whats the command to upgrade to kubuntu 8.10?
[02:31] <hubar_> inanimate: I agree. I am using it now. :)
[02:31] <VioletsPie_> nvidia
[02:32] <hubar_> I love it. :)
[02:32] <downhill_> nvidia what
[02:32] <downhill_> inanimate: the 60hz @ 1680x1050 on the 19" CRT is getting annoying now :p
[02:32] <inanimate> hubar_: Oh, I thought you said you used KDE 4.1 and hated it so then bailed.
[02:32] <downhill_> stupid cloning >.<
[02:32] <inanimate> But don't you love watching yourself type twice?
[02:33] <hubar_> yeah that is why I upgraded to 4.2. :)
[02:33] <downhill_> I don't like watching myself type once.
[02:33] <SkEmO> will intrepid work with my atheros wireless card?
[02:33] <VioletsPie_> downhill_: not sure
[02:33] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: in a terminal: lspci | grep VGA
[02:33] <hubar_> SkEmO: what laptop? thinkpad?
[02:33] <inanimate> darkenergy: It doesn't seem to do much.
[02:34] <darkenergy> but its there
[02:34] <SkEmO> hubar_:  acer 8040-50
[02:34] <VioletsPie_> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300 GS (rev a1)
[02:34] <hubar_> I can not imagine what dark days KDE users had to go through from KDE4 (until now).
[02:34] <inanimate> darkenergy: What about that other command that searches for Bluetooth devices? (Goes along with rfcomm.)
[02:34] <darkenergy> hcitool inq
[02:34] <inanimate> Yeah.
[02:34] <downhill_> inanimate: so um, how do I get the properties (like name, available resolutions, etc) when it's not listing them from the xrander --verbose output? :S
[02:35] <inanimate> Oh, actually I was thinking of sdptool.
[02:35] <hubar_> SkEmO: hmm, I use thinkpad T61.
[02:35] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: what driver version are you using?
[02:35] <hubar_> SkEmO: which uses ath driver too.
[02:35] <darkenergy> that's to browse services on a specific bluetooth device
[02:35] <VioletsPie_> downhill_: not sure, X Server or something
[02:35] <inanimate> downhill_: Doesn't the KCM tell you?
[02:35] <hubar_> SkEmO: But it is buggy and I have to use ndiswrapper.
[02:36] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: nah, that's what your driver is *for*. open up nvidia-settings and check ;)
[02:36] <inanimate> darkenergy: Inquiry failed.: No such device
[02:36] <downhill_> inanimate: when I push "Identify Outputs" it just says both are "default"; only one "connected" device is shown
[02:36] <VioletsPie_> 177.82
[02:36] <inanimate> So that's probably not good.
[02:36] <darkenergy> yep
[02:36] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: that's probably why. you need the 180 series driver
[02:37] <inanimate> darkenergy: The problem is that generally it crashes after resuming from standby.
[02:37] <darkenergy> buggy
[02:37] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: the package is nvidia-glx-180
[02:37] <inanimate> Yep.
[02:37] <inanimate> So before it crashed, it may very well have worked.
[02:37] <darkenergy> it didn't even work at all in the initial 8.10 release
[02:37] <VioletsPie_> downhill_: what's the command?
[02:37] <zaapiel-mobile> kubuntu have webcam software?
[02:37] <inanimate> downhill_:
[02:37] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: use Synaptic or something :p
[02:37] <zaapiel-mobile> and what software do you recommend
[02:37] <inanimate> Does it list your monitors on the left?
[02:37] <VioletsPie_> downhill_: sorry im a noob
[02:37] <SkEmO> hubar_:  i tried with madwifi drivers, but it was a failure
[02:38] <downhill_> inanimate: no, just the one @ 1680x1050
[02:38] <inanimate> Oh...
[02:38] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: don't be sorry, i was once too. it's a lot to get your head around, but once you understand how it works, it's easy.
[02:38] <inanimate> Try replugging your monitor.
[02:38] <downhill_> inanimate: it's named "default", and when I push "identify", both show up as "default" in the boxes in the middle of the screen.
[02:38] <downhill_> inanimate: last time that hung my system :p
[02:38] <inanimate> Oh...
[02:38] <zaapiel-mobile> webKam is all google is telling me
[02:39] <inanimate> Hold on, pasta is boiling...
[02:39] <downhill_> any other idea to try first?
[02:39] <downhill_> np
[02:39] <downhill_> enjoy o/
[02:39] <VioletsPie_> i need to switch to kubuntu
[02:39] <VioletsPie_> this room is cooler and less hectic than #ubuntu
[02:39] <VioletsPie_> lol
[02:39] <downhill_> =D
[02:40] <VioletsPie_> do i need to get kernel-source too
[02:40] <hubar_> SkEmO: heh. :) Does it stop working after waking up frooom hibernation?
[02:40] <VioletsPie_> yeah i do. ok so it says it's going to uninstall 177
[02:40] <downhill_> honestly, VioletsPie_, it's been a while in "driver years" if you will since I've owned anything nvidia. I dunno if they've changed it since I knew last or not :p
[02:41] <downhill_> yep
[02:41] <SkEmO> hubar_:  well it never worked, system recognizes the PCI but,  it cant be activated
[02:41] <downhill_> can't run 2 versions of the same driver at the same time :p
[02:41] <VioletsPie_> k
[02:41] <hubar_> SkEmO: I strongly suggest you try out ndiswrapper
[02:41] <hubar_> It is ridiculously easyto use too.
[02:41] <VioletsPie_> so what's the easiest way to switch to kubuntu. ive got GRUB. i really need a clean reinstall?
[02:42] <darkenergy> downhill: http://uncleham.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/extend-kubuntu-desktop/
[02:42] <slicslak> is there no screensaver in kde4?  i can't find it in the System Settings
[02:42] <SkEmO> hubar_:  what is ndiswrapper?
[02:42] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: the *cleanest* way is a reinstall. the *easiest* way is installing kubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <hubar_> SkEmO: try apt-get install ndiswrapper.
[02:42] <mefisto__> VioletsPie_: not at all. you can have both gnome and kde, and choose which you want at login
[02:42] <VioletsPie_> i see so the only difference is the GUI?
[02:42] <downhill_> yeah but they're allergic to each other :p
[02:42] <downhill_> VioletsPie_: yeah
[02:42] <hubar_> SkEmO: It uses windows binaries for driving your wireless card.
[02:42] <SkEmO> hubar_:  im upgrading to intrepid, if that doesent work i will try ndiswrapper
[02:43] <SkEmO> :O
[02:43] <hubar_> SkEmO: cool, good luck :)
[02:43] <VioletsPie_> do i need to reboot for the new driver to work
[02:43] <VioletsPie_> brb
[02:43] <downhill_> darkenergy: is that your blog?
[02:43] <slicslak> wow, i can't believe slashdot is actually down.
[02:44] <darkenergy> downhill_: no
[02:44] <downhill_> well thanks for the link. that's very thorough.
[02:44] <SkEmO> thanks! :P
[02:44] <mefisto__> is intrepid going to have 4.2 in official repos? or is it too close to jaunty release for that now?
[02:45] <downhill_> mefisto__: it's not gonna happen for 8.10 prolly.
[02:46] <hubar_> you can always upgrade to jaunty afterwards.
[02:46] <mefisto__> I just feel for people who are saying "I"m upgrading to intrepid" and will get 4.1
[02:46] <downhill_> ok, time to give the X server the ol' restart. brb fellas
[02:48] <hubar_> Upgradiing in ubuntu family is easy though.
[02:50] <VioletsPie> so i cant get the kde 4.2 unless i install jaunty beta
[02:50] <scon> hi
[02:50] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: you can use the kubuntu-experimental repo to upgrade to 4.2 in intrepid
[02:51] <scon> how to install nvidia geforce 6100/ nforce
[02:51] <VioletsPie> mefisto__: what's the worst case scenario ?
[02:52] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: judging from problems I've seen people asking about here, clashing dependencies when upgrading some packages, and some people have to reconfigure X for some reason
[02:53] <hubar_> !kde4
[02:53] <mefisto__> when I say reconfigure X, I mean screenres is lost on first login
[02:54] <VioletsPie> i dont see experimental in synaptic
[02:55] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: instructions here: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[02:55] <VioletsPie> k sorry
[02:55] <hubar_> !kde4 | VioletsPie
[02:56] <mefisto__> honestly, has anyone installed from the experimental repo and regretted it?
[02:56] <hubar_> I did, I regretted that I didn't install it sooner!
[02:58] <hubar_> hmm, does anyone know what theme it is for the konsole? http://i43.tinypic.com/sddanq.png
[02:59] <e-jat> is there any new package of kopete from latest svn ?
[03:00] <VioletsPie> I know you linked the thing, but do I have to go to 4.1.3 first? I have Ubuntu
[03:00] <VioletsPie> i added the rpeos
[03:00] <downhill_> MrInternet: no
[03:01] <downhill_> er mefisto__^
[03:01] <hubar_> e-jat: I am using kopete 0.7
[03:01] <hubar_> KDE version 4.2
[03:01] <downhill_> hubar_: default in 4.2? heh
[03:01] <e-jat> hubar_: yeah right .. but its has a bugs right ?
[03:02] <e-jat> for disconnect from YM
[03:02] <hubar_> "A" bug? :)
[03:02] <e-jat> im on my way to recompiled it ..
[03:02] <hubar_> I dunno, I use MSN mostly.
[03:02] <e-jat> but .. if there is a .deb package should be nice :)
[03:02] <e-jat> i dont have to recompiled it
[03:03] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: I'm not sure since I haven't tried this, but I think if you have added the repos, then install kubuntu-desktop, it should grab them from the 4.2 repo and work. anyone see a problem with that thinking?
[03:03] <downhill_> no.
[03:03] <downhill_> that should work fine
[03:04] <mefisto__> probably less trouble than an upgrade from 4.1. no dependency probs
[03:04] <downhill_> probably, yeah.
[03:05] <VioletsPie> do i want artwork, grub splash images, kmformat, restricted extras
[03:05] <VioletsPie> it didnt check those
[03:05] <downhill_> VioletsPie: if you want them, then yes ;)
[03:05] <VioletsPie> kbfx artwork
[03:05] <VioletsPie> eh ill stick with the recommendations for now
[03:05] <VioletsPie> lol
[03:06] <mefisto__> your grub splash will be blue, with kubuntu logo
[03:07] <downhill_> VioletsPie: (this is why a reinstall is *cleaner* tho)
[03:07] <VioletsPie> eh ill give it a shot
[03:07] <downhill_> it'll work, don't get me wrong, but you see why I say that now, eh?
[03:07] <mefisto__> what's kmformat ?
[03:07] <VioletsPie> ill forgive you
[03:07] <downhill_> lol?
[03:08] <VioletsPie> i just changed the display to kdm
[03:08] <VioletsPie> from gdm. gnome to k sounded right, lol
[03:08] <VioletsPie> it's installing now
[03:08] <downhill_> either will work, but yeah...
[03:08] <downhill_> brb again, gonna try radeonhd instead of fglrx >.<
[03:08] <scon> !how to get nvidia geforce 6100/ nforce
[03:12] <hubar_> hmm what is akonadi?
[03:13] <VioletsPie> all right things are farked, lol
[03:13] <scon> how to get nvidia geforce 6100/ nforce
[03:14] <scon> driver
[03:15] <VioletsPie> im just going to clean insteall this bad boy
[03:15] <VioletsPie> install
[03:18] <ubuntu_> well im finally back, tried chown to fix my login, with no avail
[03:22] <ubuntu_> any other ideas? also genii: when i used 'exit' from console was it soposed to take me back to the login gui?
[03:23] <beachsurfin> ehci-usb before uhci-usb in the mod loading, but i can't locate the rc.conf file...
[03:23] <beachsurfin> help!!! :)
[03:26] <ubuntu_> could i create a new user/desktop from console?
[03:27] <mefisto__> sudo adduser user-name
[03:28] <VioletsPie> is there a way to safely install a fresh install of kubuntu over ubuntu ?
[03:28] <VioletsPie> i have GRUB and xp installed first then ubuntu
[03:28] <VioletsPie> i guess not eh i cant just overwrite the existing partition?
[03:29] <v3trae> Okay guys, i'm baffled, were you guys aware that Fedora Core 6 does NOT include the ifconfig command, OR the visudo command!? Do you  have any idea how irritaiting that is and how mad i am about it?
[03:29] <v3trae> not asking for help, i understand this isn't the appropriate channel
[03:29] <v3trae> i just wanted to complain
[03:29] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: it won't affect booting linux/dualboot at all, just from login you'll have an option to use kde
[03:29] <VioletsPie> prob not necessary let me reboot again
[03:29] <VioletsPie> yeah i picked the wrong thing
[03:30] <VioletsPie> im still in gnome but things look a little funky, like no username in the top right corner
[03:30] <syockit> v3trae: but fc6 is so outdated
[03:30] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: when you see the login screen, there should be a menu where you can choose between Gnome/KDE
[03:30] <v3trae> syockit: ifconfig is so old. There is no reason why it shouldn't have it
[03:30] <v3trae> syockit: it makes me so angry.
[03:32] <downhill_> inanimate: back yet? :p
[03:32] <inanimate> Yeah, just got back.
[03:32] <inanimate> OK, so what's up?
[03:32] <inanimate> It doesn't show the second monitor?
[03:32] <beachsurfin> does kubuntu use rc.d instead of rc.conf?
[03:33] <downhill_> inanimate: I'm in a Linux Console atm trying to get X to stop segfaulting with radeonhd ;)
[03:33] <beachsurfin> do i have to compile a kernel seperately?
[03:33] <VioletsPie> wow yeah
[03:33] <VioletsPie> this is way better interface
[03:33] <inanimate> beachsurfin: Yeah.
[03:33] <downhill_> =D you like it, eh VioletsPie?
[03:33] <VioletsPie> yeah
[03:33] <VioletsPie> what's the deal with that orangey bullshit
[03:33] <VioletsPie> lol
[03:33] <inanimate> VioletsPie: Oh, KDE 4.2 now?
[03:33] <VioletsPie> never again!
[03:33] <VioletsPie> i think it's 4.1, somehow.
[03:34] <inanimate> Oh.
[03:34] <inanimate> Yeah.
[03:34] <inanimate> It is.
[03:34] <VioletsPie> haha i like the bouncing logos
[03:34] <inanimate> You need to enable a separate repo to get 4.2
[03:34] <inanimate> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[03:34] <inanimate> Welcome to the Blue Side =).
[03:35] <inanimate> downhill_: All right... Let's see.
[03:35] <inanimate> Is it literally segfaulting?
[03:35] <downhill_> I get a backtrace, so
[03:35] <downhill_> wanna PM me a min?
[03:35] <inanimate> Sure.
[03:35] <downhill_> ok thnx
[03:36] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: open konqueror and look in help, about KDE to see if it's 4.2
[03:36] <VioletsPie> sweet this thing has widgets
[03:36] <VioletsPie> 4.1.3
[03:36] <inanimate> Yeah. 4.2 is only if you ask for it.
[03:36] <inanimate> It will be default in 9.04.
[03:37] <beachsurfin> inanimate: do you know what file exactly i would edit? i'm seeing rc[0-6].d and rc.local
[03:37] <mefisto__> inanimate: ask for it how? you just add the repo and do a normal upgrade
[03:37] <inanimate> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[03:37] <beachsurfin> oh wait, are you saying that i need to compile a kernel?
[03:37] <inanimate> beachsurfin: I was saying that it uses rc.d.
[03:38] <beachsurfin> ah
[03:38] <inanimate> Are you trying to change init scrips?
[03:39] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: try doing an update/upgrade to get 4.2
[03:40] <beachsurfin> inanimate: i'm trying to put ehci-usb before uhci-usb during mod loading
[03:43] <kodemunki> Hello all
[03:43] <inanimate> beachsurfin: Are you using /etc/modules?
[03:43] <VioletsPie> hmm, sound card changed somehow
[03:43] <inanimate> Because if you load them in that order in /etc/modules, that gets called by /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
[03:43] <beachsurfin> inanimate: i didn't know that existed
[03:44] <beachsurfin> i suppose i just put "ehci-usb" in there
[03:44] <inanimate>  /etc/modules is where you specify which custom modules you want to load.
[03:44] <inanimate> Yeah, that should work.
[03:45] <VioletsPie> "could not obtain a write lock on the cache"
[03:45] <VioletsPie> "it appears another process is running that holds the write lock on the database"
[03:47] <VioletsPie> there we go
[03:47] <VioletsPie> this looks like a lot of upgrades
[03:47] <VioletsPie> 150 megs
[03:47] <inanimate> Yeah.
[03:57] <VioletsPie> anyone alive in here
[03:58] <VioletsPie> i got some errors when updating
[03:58] <inanimate> What happened?
[03:58] <VioletsPie> "Commit failed" To continue, hit ok and we will try to recover. If you close the application now, we will not do anything and you may try to resolve the problem manually.
[03:58] <VioletsPie> (If you suspect this is a bug in Adept, please also provide the following exceptio
[03:58] <VioletsPie> APT Error. Context:
[03:58] <VioletsPie>     Running dpkg,
[03:58] <VioletsPie>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/strigi-daemon_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/strigi-client_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libstrigihtmlgui0_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libstreamanalyzer0_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libstreams0_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.d
[03:58] <VioletsPie> eb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libstrigiqtdbusclient0_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libsearchclient0_0.6.3-1ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5-data_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-
[03:58] <VioletsPie> 0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data-common_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_all.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_all.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libkdecorations4_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0
[03:58] <VioletsPie> -0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libkwineffects1_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/ksysguard_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libboost-program-options1.34.1_1.34.1-11ubuntu1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt
[03:59] <VioletsPie> /archives/libakonadiprivate1_1.1.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libical0_0.43-2ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepimlibs-data_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid~ppa4_all.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepimlibs5_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid~ppa4_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/phonon_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.3.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb, /var
[03:59] <VioletsPie> /cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libkonq5-templates_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/libkonq5_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-plasma_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kate
[03:59] <VioletsPie> _4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa3_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/plasmoid-quickaccess_0.7.1-0ubuntu6~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb, /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeplasma-addons_4-0x1.56ff4bfa4ca14p-1504.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_i386.deb ],
[03:59] <VioletsPie>     Sup-process returned error code 1,
[03:59] <VioletsPie>     Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager_4%3a4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7_i386.deb : trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/plasma-add-shortcut-to-menu', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin.
[03:59] <VioletsPie> whoops
[03:59] <VioletsPie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116295/
[04:00] <VioletsPie> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/116296
[04:00] <downhill_> way to go haha
[04:01] <VioletsPie> lol
[04:03] <hubar_> Yeah I had same problem before.
[04:03] <hubar_> Just ignore it.
[04:03] <hubar_> Or run the upgrade program again
[04:05] <VioletsPie> commit failed again
[04:06] <VioletsPie> there's no data in my ubuntu partition i need whatsoever
[04:06] <VioletsPie> i could do a clean install if it is possible, or is that messy
[04:08] <mefisto__> VioletsPie: this was all in adept?
[04:08] <inanimate> It's a lot less messy.
[04:08] <VioletsPie> mefisto__: yeah
[04:08] <mefisto__> close adept, and try sudo apt-get -f install (if you haven't already)
[04:10] <VioletsPie> something happened there
[04:10] <VioletsPie> but some "unknown media type" lines
[04:12] <VioletsPie> ok im in 4.2 now
[04:12] <VioletsPie> restart?
[04:16] <Danu> Hi. Someone could explain me what this means (when i try to extract one zip): file #1:  bad zipfile offset (local header sig):  0
[04:16] <SkEmO> if i kill firefox i kill adept too?
[04:18] <hubar_> SkEmO: No, they are seperate processes.
[04:19] <SkEmO> hubar_:  but i did a "killall firefox" and adept died too
[04:19] <SkEmO> hubar_:  whats the upgrade command for terminal?
[04:19] <hubar_> hmm, I dunno then. :)
[04:19] <hubar_> apt-get upgrade?
[04:20] <SkEmO> that  will upgrade me to intrepid?
[04:22] <SkEmO> hubar_ that  will upgrade me to intrepid?
[04:29] <mefisto__> SkEmO: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[04:30] <mefisto__> and to upgrade to intrepid: sudo do-release-upgrade
[04:43] <VioletsPie> yeah
[04:43] <VioletsPie> logged on from my xp partition now, lol
[04:44] <VioletsPie> kubuntu is royally messed up. keyboard doesnt work, doesnt recognize wireless card
[04:44] <VioletsPie> doh
[04:57] <SkEmO> ok
[04:58] <SkEmO> i did the sudo apt-get update
[04:58] <SkEmO> now what?
[04:59] <ripdisk> If I install kubuntu inside of windows, how do i access my windows files when booted up through ubuntu
[05:00] <mefisto__> ripdisk: probably thru networking. but I don't know for sure
[05:02] <mefisto__> SkEmO: you're upgrading to intrepid, right?
[05:02] <SkEmO> yes
[05:02] <mefisto__> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[05:03] <mefisto__> you need to do sudo do-release-upgrade
[05:03] <SkEmO> but, someone just told me its dist-upgrade
[05:03] <SkEmO> then, dist-upgrade no?
[05:03] <mefisto__> SkEmO: you can do it that way if you change your sources.list from hardy to intrepid, but it's not guaranteed to work
[05:04] <SkEmO> oh
[05:04] <mefisto__> SkEmO: or do it the gui way, as that link recommends for desktops
[05:04] <SkEmO> so, i should do the sudo do-release-upgrade better?
[05:05] <mefisto__> SkEmO: both gui or commandline should work, but both can go wrong for no apparent reason
[05:06] <mefisto__> command line at least won't crash. gui might
[05:31] <QContinueum> anyone know of an ntfs defragmenter that can be run from inside linux?
[05:48] <inanimate> QContinueum: Doubtful.
[05:48] <scon> hi
[05:49] <scon> who can help to solve a problem with my grafih card
[05:50] <tauri> I prolly cant but whats wrong
[06:01] <KoMmAnDerZ> :P
[06:02] <scon> nobody can help
[06:09] <sandGorgon> just found a cool tip - set KDE_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS to 1 in your .profile and the plasma desktop stops being laggy. You lose some of the translucency effects though
[06:10] <demarco> help
[06:11] <demarco> sound stopped working suddenly. No explanation. ubuntu 8.10
[06:11] <demarco> restart has no effect
[06:11] <kodemunki> drivers?
[06:12] <demarco> yes
[06:12] <demarco> I82801DBICH4
[06:13] <sandGorgon> type alsamixer -Dhw and see if you have anything muted
[06:14] <demarco> ok. master and master m are not muted
[06:14] <kodemunki> are you able to get any sound from any app?
[06:14] <demarco> no
[06:15] <demarco> was working fine 2 hours ago
[06:17] <sandGorgon> check /var/log/messages
[06:19] <demarco> what am i looking for
[06:19] <demarco> 4 files labeled "messages"
[06:20] <cratessoman> hi, i have a problem i installed amarok 2 but dont play mp3, i go to install amarok-xime but del the 2 and install the oldest version,
[06:20] <cratessoman> somebody can hellpme
[06:22] <PSiL0> demarco: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[06:23] <cratessoman> probe....
[06:24] <PSiL0> cratessoman: sorry, still on 1.4.10 here
[06:24] <cratessoman> ok
[06:24] <demarco> done. no change
[06:26] <cratessoman> thanks but dont work
[06:26] <PSiL0> hmmm restarting alsa didn't work... well, you can look at the messages from ksystemlog
[06:26] <demarco> i have that open. pending further instruction
[06:26] <PSiL0> ahhh...
[06:27] <PSiL0> oh.. cratessoman, you might have to install restricted drivers to playback mp3
[06:27] <PSiL0> !mp3
[06:27] <PSiL0> !audio
[06:28] <PSiL0> !mp3 | cratessoman
[06:29] <cratessoman> yeah i know that but i dont convert my 60 gb of music to freeformat,
[06:31] <demarco> last time it was a random video issue that made me reformat. this sound issue is absurd
[06:37] <mefisto__> demarco: it may be that something is/was using the soundcard and had a problem, won't release the card for use, and is still running even though the app window is closed. It sometimes happens in browsers when on a badly coded page with flash
[06:38] <demarco> mefisto__: Why would that issue carry on after a restart?
[06:38] <mefisto__> ah ok
[06:38] <mefisto__> more than one soundcard?
[06:38] <demarco> no
[06:39] <mefisto__> just onboard sound?
[06:39] <demarco> I82801DBICH4
[06:39] <demarco> one card
[06:40] <mefisto__> cat /proc/asound/modules  shows just one line?
[06:42] <demarco> cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:43] <demarco> in terminal? or system file?
[06:43] <mefisto__> do that in terminal
[06:44] <demarco>  0 snd_intel8x0
[06:44] <demarco> thats what it produces
[06:47] <K`zan> Anyone have an idea on this problem (that !~v1 kernel has been uninstalled and everything to do with it deleted):dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.27.10-v2_2.6.27.10-v2-10.00.Custom_i386.deb (--install):
[06:47] <K`zan>  trying to overwrite `/lib/firmware/emi26/firmware.fw', which is also in package linux-image-2.6.28.4-v1
[06:47] <K`zan> What that refers to has been uninstalled :-(.  Any help much appreciated.
[06:52] <K`zan> disregard, got it :-)!
[06:53] <quassel86> hi there guys :)
[06:53] <Rexelone> Hi I'm new to linux.
[06:54] <Rexelone> I'm a newbie, please don't flame me
[06:57] <demarco> figured it out!
[06:58] <wildbat> hello
[06:58] <demarco> appreciate. PCM was muted and not even on menu
[06:58] <demarco> thank you for help
[06:59] <mefisto__> demarco: someone asked you about checking that in alsamixer
[06:59] <mefisto__> :)
 type alsamixer -Dhw and see if you have anything muted
[07:00] <wildbat> I am using Kubuntu 8.10 on Compaq nc6320, do anyone know how to setup the screen so it turn off on timer and on lid close? + any tips for powersaving on Kubuntu ~ it run ~1/2 of the time compare on windows XP ....
[07:01] <mossgix> atm i'm using jaunty alpha 4 kubuntu
[07:01] <demarco> i said masters were up. in future i will be more aware of PCM
[07:01] <mossgix> have someone solved problem with nvidia drivers?
[07:01] <StR|Sangreal> greetings
[07:01] <StR|Sangreal> how can i get support for .rar archives?
[07:01] <mossgix> sudo apt-get install unrar
[07:03] <sparr> KDE seems to only recognize mouse movement when computing the time to turn on the screen saver.  Keyboard input and even mouse button events have no effect.  What could have caused that, and how do I fix it?
[07:04] <mefisto__> StR|Sangreal: if you want to create rar archives, you'll want to install rar too
[07:05] <maco> is it my imagination, or does the "more..." link in package descriptions (which i assume is meant to show the actual changelog) not actually do anything?
[07:07] <mefisto__> maco: I think it just shows you more, in case the description is very long and you can't read all of it
[07:07] <StR|Sangreal> what is msttcorefonts?
[07:07] <maco> mefisto__: so 1) how do i see changelogs and 2) why doesnt it do anything?
[07:07] <StR|Sangreal> !msttcorefonts
[07:07] <mefisto__> StR|Sangreal: microsoft true type core fonts
[07:08] <StR|Sangreal> anytime i try to install sth it calls an error since this package canot be properly set up :/
[07:08] <mefisto__> maco: you're talking about adept manager right? do you have kde 4.1? 4.2? 3.5?
[07:09] <maco> 4.2
[07:09] <maco> StR|Sangreal: the proxy error?
[07:09] <maco> where it uses http://:8080/
[07:09] <maco> ?
[07:10] <StR|Sangreal> well i have kde41
[07:10] <StR|Sangreal> and i am under proxy
[07:10] <StR|Sangreal> and it seems like i cant download the package
[07:10] <StR|Sangreal> probably
[07:11] <maco> oh you have your proxy settings configured though?
[07:12] <maco> there was a bug about that package where for some reason a proxy setting was defaulting to http://:8080/ when the user hadn't configured a proxy
[07:12] <StR|Sangreal> i have global proxy settings and the rest works fine
[07:12] <maco> er....define global
[07:12] <maco> like http_proxy= or like you did set wget_proxy and all the rest?
[07:13] <StR|Sangreal> i have set it up during installation and since then i can access any internet places
[07:13] <uga> that possibly means konqueror and firefox?
[07:13] <uga> no cmnd line apps
[07:14] <StR|Sangreal> omg it simply isnt a global error, i can install e.g wine or mc via aptitude
[07:14] <uga> heh, that's more strange
[07:15] <maco> but msttcorefonts isnt a normal package
[07:15] <maco> it doesnt actually contain the fonts, while other packages contain what they install
[07:15] <mefisto__> maco: the old adept used to show a changelog tab in the details page I think (that's where it takes you when you click more...) but in terminal: aptitude changelog <package-name>    should work
[07:15] <maco> that package downloads the fonts during it's post-install
[07:18] <mossgix> is there anyone using jaunty?
[07:18] <maco> me
[07:18] <mossgix> have you installed nvidia drivers?
[07:18] <mossgix> i got some problems with 180
[07:18] <maco> no
[07:18] <maco> i only use intel
[07:19] <mossgix> damn :/
[07:19] <mossgix> hum ok.. so...
[07:19] <mossgix> have you tried flash?
[07:19] <mossgix> i can't setup audio
[07:19] <mossgix> on youtube audio is muted
[07:19] <maco> adobe, swfdec, or gnash?
[07:19] <mossgix> adobe
[07:19] <maco> no, i use swfdec
[07:19] <mossgix> it works?
[07:19] <mossgix> audio i mean
[07:20] <maco> yes
[07:21] <maco> i suggest not asking me about anything closed source
[07:24] <mossgix> you are right
[07:24] <mossgix> how i can uninstall adobe?
[07:24] <mossgix> just every packet
[07:24] <maco> i guess using apt...?
[07:25] <mefisto__> mossgix: how did you install it?
[07:25] <mossgix> mefisto__: if you don't have flash support and try to start a video on youtube
[07:26] <mossgix> it redirects to a page where you can download it
[07:26] <mefisto__> oh really? that's new
[07:27] <maco> mefisto__: no its not. youtube has always sent you to adobe.com
[07:27] <mossgix> maco: <- he's right
[07:28] <maco> mossgix: are you saying i'm right or are you telling me that the other guy's right?
[07:28] <mossgix> exactly
[07:28] <mossgix> you are right
[07:28] <maco> ah ok. in that case s/he/she/
[07:28] <maco> makes me less confused :P
[07:29] <mossgix> lol sry :P
[07:29] <mefisto__> maco: it has not *always* sent you to adobe.com. I've never been sent there, for instance.
[07:29] <maco> mefisto__: for at least 2 years it has
[07:29] <maco> might not redirect automatically, but it definitely goes "there's no flash. go to this link and get it"
[07:30] <maco> and since it doesnt attempt to display the flash but rather gives the link, i dont think firefox has a chance to go "oh wait wait, i can get you flash!"
[07:32] <wildbat> I am using Kubuntu 8.10 on Compaq nc6320, do anyone know how to setup the screen so it turn off on timer and on lid close? + any tips for powersaving on Kubuntu ~ it run ~1/2 of the time compare on windows XP ....
[07:32] <mossgix> maco: i couldn't find swfdec on jaunty repos... :/
[07:32] <mossgix> manual install?
[07:33] <maco> libswfdec
[07:33] <maco> i think it's libswfdec-0.9
[07:33] <mefisto__> swfdec-mozilla
[07:33] <maco> libswfdec-0.9-1 and swfdec-mozilla
[07:33] <mossgix> thanks a lot
[07:34] <maco> ok this is BROKEN
[07:34] <mossgix> lol?
[07:34] <maco> you cant remove the nvidia-*-modaliases without removing nvidia common, which then removes jockey-common
[07:34] <maco> how am i supposed to get my vrms count down to 2?
[07:35] <maco> or oh wait
[07:35] <maco> it lets you leave that jockey recommending nvidia-common one unresolved since its only recommends. ok then. yay
[07:36] <maco> 2 non-free packages, 0.1% of 2639 installed packages.
[07:39] <mefisto__> and your target was 2% or 2 packages?
[07:40] <maco> 2 packages
[07:40] <Rexelone> testing
[07:40] <maco> tangerine-icon-theme and spim. spim is needed for school.
[07:40] <maco> Rexelone: boo!
[07:40] <Rexelone> lol thanks for reply
[07:41] <maco> and things break if tangerine goes away...i think
[07:42] <mefisto__> what if you leave it installed, but use another? does that count?
[07:43] <maco> no
[07:43] <maco> have to be purged from the system for vrms to not count them
[07:43] <maco> vrms = virtual richard matthew stallman
[07:44] <mefisto__> so get rid of it
[07:44] <mossgix> hum...
[07:44] <maco> tangerine breaks things if removed, i think
[07:44] <mossgix> sry for the noobity
[07:44] <mossgix> i've installed both gnash and swfdec
[07:44] <maco> at least in gnome
[07:44] <mossgix> youtube still redirect to adobe :/
[07:44] <mossgix> and no video shows up
[07:45] <maco> get swfdec-mozilla?
[07:45] <mossgix> yep
[07:45] <maco> about:plugins have any info?
[07:45] <mossgix> let's see..
[07:45] <mefisto__> you probably have 2 flash plugins. check in about:plugins
[07:46] <stanley_> hi folks
[07:46] <stanley_> my k-menu-entries are so big, 50% size would i prefer
[07:47] <mossgix> hum... lol...
[07:47] <mossgix> there arn't flash plugins installed for firefox
[07:48] <maco> O_o
[07:48] <mossgix> i've installed swfdec for firefox at 0.8.x version
[07:48] <maco> 0.8.2 was a nice release...
[07:49] <maco> made SlideShare.com work when 0.8.0 didn't
[07:49] <mefisto__> mossgix: what about the adobe one? is that not in about:plugins ? did you manage to remove it?
[07:50] <mossgix> yep. purged away
[08:03] <wildbat> I am using Kubuntu 8.10 on Compaq nc6320, do anyone know how to setup the screen so it turn off on timer and on lid close? + any tips for powersaving on Kubuntu ~ it run ~1/2 of the time compare on windows XP ....
[08:11] <maco> wildbat: kde 4.2?
[08:11] <wildbat> maco: 4.1
[08:14] <Guest50042> trying to install nvidia propriatary drivers but it keeps hanging up when it goes to download what should i do?
[08:18] <maco> wildbat: not sure in there. i only ever used 4.2
[08:25] <wildbat> :< ~ any clue y the screen isn't powering off? it just go black screen with a cursor when it's time >.<
[08:25] <wildbat> and the lid button isn't working T^T
[08:29] <Guest50042> any clue how i can download my graphics driver?
[08:30] <girevikmoto> does anyone here have experience with networking?
[08:30] <girevikmoto> im having trouble setting up my router
[08:31] <d_ronin> what trouble?
[08:31] <maco> girevikmoto: what kind?
[08:31] <girevikmoto> its an Asus wl-520gu
[08:31] <maco> i have experience with wrt54g's default firmware and dd-wrt
[08:31] <maco> ok i'm out
[08:31] <maco> unless it's running dd-wrt
[08:31] <girevikmoto> i just flashed it to Tomato actually
[08:32] <girevikmoto> problem is
[08:32] <girevikmoto> i have no internet connection now
[08:32] <girevikmoto> internet worked fine before i flashed it to Tomato
[08:32] <maco> and you're here...how?
[08:32] <girevikmoto> computer is plugged directly into the modem right now
[08:32] <maco> ah
[08:33] <girevikmoto> im assuming theres a simple setting im missing somewhere
[08:33] <maco> did you tell it to pull an ip and routing info from the isp using dhcp?
[08:33] <maco> (it might default to static ip)
[08:33] <girevikmoto> Tomato is set to DHCP mode, with DHCP server on
[08:34] <maco> what about dhcp client?
[08:34] <maco> also, assuming the modem didnt bind to your laptop's mac address and now ignoring the router's?
[08:34] <girevikmoto> dhcp client?
[08:35] <maco> yeah because the dhcp server on it hands out leases to your computers
[08:35] <maco> but how is the router configed to get its own public ip address?
[08:35] <larsivi_> can I download the key necessary for KDE 4.2 on intrepid via wget or similar? gpg seems to be blocked by the firewall
[08:35] <maco> it should probably be dhcp
[08:35] <girevikmoto> i couldnt ping any outside addresses either
[08:36] <girevikmoto> i tried releasing the connection and then renewing, but it never completed renewing
[08:36] <maco> well it cant ping til it has an ip
[08:37] <maco> somewhere in tomatos config page it should tell you the router's publically routable ip addess
[08:37] <maco> if it doesnt have one, you need to tell it how to get one
[08:37] <girevikmoto> its configured to dhcp
[08:37] <girevikmoto> but the address range is invalid it says
[08:37] <girevikmoto> for the dhcp server
[08:37] <maco> 169.x.x.x?
[08:38] <Guest50042> what should i do if my hardwre drivers keep hanging up when i try to activate them?
[08:38] <girevikmoto> 192.168.1.192.1 - 192.168.1.192.NaN
[08:38] <maco> 192.168 is for inside a NAT
[08:39] <maco> its saying that's its *external* ip?
[08:39] <girevikmoto> its the address range listed below "DHCP Server"... i dont know if that is internal or external
[08:40] <maco> server means the internal one
[08:40] <maco> find the external or public ip
[08:40] <maco> might say WAN ip?
[08:40] <maco> 192.168 is your LAN
[08:40] <girevikmoto> so my problem is probably that it doesnt have an ip address?
[08:41] <maco> well if it doesnt have one, you're definitely screwed
[08:41] <maco> so start there
[08:41] <girevikmoto> (it would help if i could be connected to irc while looking at this instead of from memory but... just one comp and internet connection
[08:41] <maco> its the first thing to check for
[08:41] <girevikmoto> okay that at least gives me a starting point
[08:41] <girevikmoto> thanks!
[08:41] <maco> can you wirelessly connect to the router?
[08:41] <maco> while wired to the modem?
[08:41] <girevikmoto> um... let me try
[08:42] <maco> er oh duh
[08:42] <maco> the router wont give useful info til connected to modem
[08:42] <maco> make sure you power cycle the modem before connecting it to the router
[08:42] <maco> because it probably wont talk to any mac address other than your laptop's right now
[08:43] <girevikmoto> ok ill do that
[08:43] <Cruster> is anyone using kde4.2 experiencing problem with icons in the tray?
[08:44] <maco> Cruster: graphical artifacts? or you mean the tray being freakishly huge?
[08:44] <Cruster> kind of artifacts
[08:44] <d_ronin> Cruster: what kind. a have 4.2 and no tr whit icons
[08:44] <maco> Cruster: normal in all of kde 4.2
[08:44] <d_ronin> with
[08:45] <maco> things arent really redrawing nicely
[08:45] <d_ronin> but a have some troubles with alsa
[08:45] <d_ronin> :(
[08:45] <d_ronin> try to fix now
[08:45] <maco> ask me in like 15 hours
[08:45] <maco> maybe i can help, but for now i have homework and sleep
[08:45] <Cruster> i'll give an example: imagine thay volume icon showing full volume. Then, if I mute sound the red x is drawn above the previous volume
[08:46] <maco> d_ronin: that was at you, regarding sound
[08:46] <d_ronin> ok
[08:46] <d_ronin> maco: tnx.
[08:47] <d_ronin> Cruster: :) i can't mute my sound at all
[08:47] <Cruster> try changing master channel
[08:47] <d_ronin> Cruster:  a have animation then volume up/down
[08:47] <girevikmoto> success!
[08:48] <girevikmoto> the modem was still bound to the computers MAC address
[08:48] <Cruster> d_ronin: didn't get that
[08:49] <girevikmoto> thank you for the help maco
[08:49] <girevikmoto> :)
[08:50] <d_ronin> Cruster: i've tried. and still have no red x
[08:50] <ct529> does anyone know how does the kicker work at lower level? where are the file that define each item in the kicker menu stored?
[08:50] <Cruster> is the sound actually muted?
[08:51] <d_ronin> Cruster: yeah. 0%. no music
[08:51] <Cruster> it's just animation problem then.....something like mine
[09:06] <aldo> hola
[09:06] <aldo> español?
[09:06] <Tm_T> !es | aldo
[09:06] <aldo> gracias
[09:06] <aldo> thanks
[09:18] <chaumurky> marco
[09:20] <d_ronin> chaumurky:  <maco> maybe i can help, but for now i have homework and sleep
[09:20] <d_ronin> chaumurky: about 30min ago
[09:22] <ct529> what is the best way to set up a vpn in kubuntu? what package do you use?
[09:25] <TeLLuS> ct529: client or static vpn?
[09:28] <ct529> TeLLuS: difference?
[09:29] <gajop> ok, i'm having some problems setting up static IP, that is, it just doesn't seem to read it...
[09:29] <gajop> and i'm pretty clueless how to add some daemons to startup
[09:30] <gajop> can anyone assist here?
[09:30] <TeLLuS> ct529: If you are moving the client you want to connect.. behind NAT and other things
[09:32] <ct529> TeLLuS: yes, this is the case .... pptp?
[09:32] <TeLLuS> gajop: Check for typo? man interfaces
[09:32] <gajop> TeLLuS: shouldn't /etc/init.d/networking [restart
[09:32] <gajop> be more verbose
[09:32] <TeLLuS> ct529: Are you setting up the server?
[09:33] <gajop> bah, sorry, new keyboard, didn't mean to use so many lines
[09:33] <ct529> TeLLuS: no .... the client to connect to my university ....
[09:33] <TeLLuS> ct529: ok
[09:33] <ct529> TeLLuS: I have no CA certificate only user / password
[09:33] <ct529> TeLLuS: do I have to use kppp?
[09:33] <gajop> anyway, the configuration is entirely in /etc/network/interfaces ? i.e i don't need to worry about KDE Network "Manager" messing things up?
[09:33] <TeLLuS> ct529: What VPN server are they using?
[09:34] <TeLLuS> gajop: Depend on the options you use in that file
[09:35] <ct529> TeLLuS: I have no idea.
[09:35] <gajop> TeLLuS: well, this is the setup that doesn't work http://pastebin.com/m500e39bb
[09:36] <TeLLuS> gajop: I just use the auto eth0  and the iface eth0 inet static   ones. and without hotplug
[09:36] <ahmed_> hi
[09:36] <ahmed_> i have s simple problem i need help to solve it
[09:36] <ahmed_> please
[09:36] <ahmed_> any one can help me?
[09:37] <gajop> TeLLuS: And I can't quite figure out why, a similar setup worked in archlinux. Well, I can't use DHCP, not reliably, I want to redirect some ports, and I have a couple of other PCs on the LAN which might just as well "take over" that IP if i don't set it a bit higher, staticly.
[09:37] <ahmed_> after install some app i can't find it
[09:37] <gajop> ahmed_:  elaborate a bit
[09:38] <ahmed_> what?
[09:38] <TeLLuS> gajop: Remeber to kill the dhcpd client or reboot, otherwise the client will still try to set the ip
[09:38] <gajop> like what application
[09:39] <TeLLuS> gajop: I see no auto eth0
[09:39] <gajop> TeLLuS: is there any place I can edit which daemons boot and in which order... since this is pretty much chaotic (i.e for some reason mpd (music daemon) boots before sound, and reports not having a viable card, yet works when i restart it)
[09:40] <gajop> TeLLuS: well, since i dont want it to be DHCP... i want it to be static, not dynamic
[09:40] <ct529> TeLLuS: it says it is a PPTP vpn service ....
[09:40] <TeLLuS> gajop: No need to put in network and broadcast
[09:40] <ct529> TeLLuS: user authentication through login and password
[09:40] <gajop> TeLLuS: yes, but surely that doesn't cause the errors...
[09:42] <TeLLuS> gajop: iface eth0 inet static tells that it is static.. auto tells it to setup this ip when the computer starts  and also that networkmanager should not touch it
[09:42] <gajop> TeLLuS: ahh, i thought auto means dynamic...
[09:43] <gajop> so like this: http://pastebin.com/m33a0435 ?
[09:44] <TeLLuS> ct529: I have not used that but this might help http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-ubuntu-fedora-linux-pptp-client.html
[09:45] <ActionParsnip1> !bum
[09:46] <ct529> !pptp
[09:48] <TeLLuS> gajop: yes
[09:52] <lokai> I can't get multiple desktops to work with KDE3.5, Ubuntu 8.04. I set my number of desktops in systemsettings and save changes, but the next time I open systemsettings it has reverted back to 1 desktop -- what's going on?
[09:56] <ActionParsnip1> lokai: make sure you have full write access to your home folder where settings are stored
[09:57] <TeLLuS> lokai: Or if they are locked by some admin..
[09:58] <mefisto__> lokai: what if you click the default button? does it still revert to 1 desktop?
[10:04] <miik> how do i sync my clock?
[10:04] <ahmed_> after install FreeHDL from Synaptic i can't find it
[10:04] <ahmed_> ?
[10:05] <miik> try find it in terminal using 'freehdl'
[10:05] <miik> maybe it didnt add menu entry
[10:05] <ahmed_> i try
[10:05] <ahmed_> but not found
[10:07] <miik> :(
[10:07] <miik> try 'whereis freehdl'
[10:07] <devhakim> I try to load the boostrap in phpunit but it does not I work with phpunit and Zend Framework for the test.
[10:07] <devhakim> I want to load the boostrap to the unit test for my class
[10:08] <devhakim> everyone help me
[10:08] <miik> never used Zend or bootstrap or phpunit
[10:08] <miik> maybe someone in #php knows
[10:09] <TeLLuS> miik: or dpkg -L freehdl  to see the files
[10:11] <devhakim> 	
[10:11] <devhakim> I need to load the zend library to be recognized during the test
[10:12] <lokai> mefisto__: about the multiple desktop problem: The default button doesn't seems to do anything (Stays at 1 desktop)
[10:12] <lokai> I administer this machine myself
[10:13] <lokai> I'm using kdesudo systemsettings. There are no errors in the output on the terminal.
[10:13] <lokai> However, I have used sudo systemsettings before I knew about kdesudo. Maybe this is the problem?
[10:13] <altrortla> Generical question: In a system that have DDR2 memory ... is correct to have a Graphical Card with DDR ? If it isn't the right forum where i can ask?
[10:14] <TeLLuS> lokai: try without sudo.. you change for another user then..
[10:15] <mefisto__> lokai: you shouldn't need kdesudo to make those changes anyway. is your home dir writeable? especially .kde and subdirs
[10:15] <altrortla> #windows
[10:16] <miik> altrortla, RAM have nothing todo with graphics card. You can have DDR2 RAM with graphics card that has GDDR5 memory.
[10:18] <altrortla> miik: But when it try work in dual data rating. It can do the same?
[10:20] <yuvraj> Hi
[10:20] <lokai> mefisto__: Still same problem. Tried doing it without running under sudo, and also doing a chmod -R +w .kde/
[10:21] <yuvraj> i have issue with synaptic .. it doesn't show packages whatever i need.. probably issue with repositary
[10:21] <yuvraj> can someone help
[10:25] <virnik> hi there
[10:26] <virnik> can somebody help me with primitive question? I have recently done some testing with python 2.6. python 2.5 is untouched
[10:26] <virnik> but shell thinks that default path to my python is in /usr/local/bin/python, while python2.5 is in /usr/bin/python. I have searched through PATH variables, and everything seems OK.
[10:27] <virnik> but still, shell sees default path for python ins /usr/local/python, and I want it to look for it in /usr/bin/python
[10:27] <mefisto__> lokai: I think the config file for it is .kde/share/config/kdesktoprc  try renaming that file (or delete it if you don't care about those settings), then try changing the settings again
[10:29] <cuznt> Random Fortune: I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few months. I just love debugging ;-) 	-- Linus Torvalds
[10:31] <vlt> Hello. Can I have KDE 3.5 in Kubuntu 8.10?
[10:34] <mefisto__> vlt: there was a 3.5 repo for intrepid, but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6210362&postcount=107
[10:35] <mefisto__> vlt: better to just use hardy
[10:36] <ActionParsnip1> vlt: you can compile it
[10:36] <miik> altrortla, yes. The system RAM have nothing todo with the graphics memory...
[10:37] <vlt> mefisto__: Ok, that's what I was going to do ...
[10:37] <vlt> ActionParsnip1: Erm, no thanks ;-)
[10:37] <ActionParsnip1> vlt: if you want it you gotta pay your dues ;)
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> vlt: theres some dudes trying to get kde3.5 for intrepid
[10:38] <linuxmce> hello
[10:39] <linuxmce> is anyone here
[10:39] <altrortla> miik: thank you...
[10:40] <linuxmce> does anyone know how to learn linux mce
[10:40] <linuxmce> or kubuntu
[10:41] <linuxmce> I want to learn how to add WPA and all how to get the tv turner cards working
[10:41] <miik> my GTK apps look like shit, is this normal?
[10:42] <linuxmce> what is GTK
[10:43] <linuxmce> is there a room for learning?
[10:44] <miik> GTK is a widget toolkit
[10:44] <miik> i found wikipedia is good for learning
[10:44] <linuxmce> i have been that
[10:44] <miik> there are books too
[10:44] <miik> and howtos, guides, manuals, news sites, forums, etc
[10:44] <linuxmce> but why isn't WPA apart of the OS kubuntu
[10:45] <ActionParsnip1> linuxmce: it is, its a package you must install
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> linuxmce: sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant kwlan
[10:46] <linuxmce> but you need to download it right
[10:46] <linuxmce> thankyou
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> yes, it will also be on the install cd
[10:47] <ActionParsnip1> !info wpasupplicant
[10:47] <yozza> i have to thank whoever told me how to fix my dns, worked a charm
[10:47] <yozza> but i got a new question
[10:47] <yozza> how do i get half-life running properly?
[10:48] <linuxmce> couldn't find package it says
[10:48] <yozza> and i have no sound
[10:48] <yozza> :(
[10:49] <linuxmce> wpasupplicant is already the newest version.
[10:49] <linuxmce> E: Couldn't find package kwlan
[10:49] <yozza> ok ill try again laters
[10:49] <linuxmce> is that the cd right
[10:51] <linuxmce> i tried with the disc in, is there another way to download ect
[10:55] <virnik> can somebody answer my previous question? please
[10:56] <drift_> can someone please help me fix a problem with viewing video clips they don't want to upload to view - i click on a clip it opens and ends straight away.
[10:56] <linuxmce> how do you turn your box from beening a DHCP server
[10:59] <linuxmce> is there classes to teach kubuntu in Australia
[11:00] <ActionParsnip1> linuxmce: you install a dhcp daemon
[11:00] <drift_> is there anybody there to help or is there another way that i can get help
[11:02] <drift_> can someone please help me fix a problem with viewing video clips they don't want to upload to view - i click on a clip it opens and ends straight away.
[11:04] <drift_> can someone please please please help me out
[11:05] <linuxmce> what graphics card drift
[11:05] <drift_> where do i check for that
[11:06] <drift_> i was told by a friend it could be becuase of the updates maybe overide the video viewing
[11:08] <linuxmce> system settings, display and monitor and then hardware
[11:10] <drift_> VESA driver (generic)
[11:10] <linuxmce> is anyone here from Sydney??
[11:10] <linuxmce> look like a issue, do you have a geforce card you can use or borrow
[11:13] <drift_> it was working before on the same card - i think the updates overide something and i have to change it back
[11:14] <linuxmce> but a generic driver doesn't sound great
[11:14] <linuxmce> Can anyone else confirm this
[11:18] <drift_> it was confirmed my older graphics card was not put in with this new motherboard just phoned to find out . thnks for you help
[11:26] <lokai>  How do I declare the following as an alias in .bashrc: echo 'somestr"' ?   Its giving me a lot of trouble with the " and/or '
[11:30] <virnik> can somebody help me with primitive question? I have recently done some testing with python 2.6. python 2.5 is untouched. but shell thinks that default path to my python is in /usr/local/bin/python, while python2.5 is in /usr/bin/python. I have searched through PATH variables, and everything seems OK. but still, shell sees default path for python ins /usr/local/python, and I want it to look for it in /usr/bin/python
[11:31] <etfb> Since the latest kernel arrived (2.6.27-11-generic) I haven't been able to hibernate or suspend my laptop reliably.  Where do I begin to fix that?
[11:32] <etfb> virnik: What do you get with <which python> and <whereis python>?
[11:32] <spectral> lokai: alias foo='echo "somestr \""'
[11:38] <etfb> How do I revert to an older kernel, say 2.6.27-9?  I stupidly apt-get autoremoved the old one, but now I realise -11 has broken a bunch of things that used to work.
[11:44] <etfb> Wow... this place is dead when the Americans are all asleep... Might have to try #ubuntu...
[11:49] <Guest85291> salve
[11:49] <Guest85291> qualcuno può aiutarmi???
[11:49] <Guest85291> sono solo....
[11:49] <Guest85291> ho paura del buio....
[11:50] <ActionParsnip1> Guest85291: espaniol?
[11:52] <etfb> ActionParsnip1: Italian.
[11:52] <etfb> !it | Guest85291
[11:54] <esdaniel> hi kubuntu friends - got a query with Kopete on KDE4.2 - having trouble connecting to the MSN service, could I get a helping hand to troubleshoot, please
[11:59] <yoyoyoyo> someone can help me?
[12:00] <esdaniel> >yoyoyo while I'm waiting for some help can you post your q as I just joined, maybe i can lend a hand
[12:00] <yoyoyoyo> Is any version of Ubuntu or Kubuntu that have Ekiga on it?
[12:00] <etfb> esdaniel: It's pretty dead here right now.  I got MSN working happily with Pidgin, which I prefer over Kopete.  What trouble are you encountering?
[12:01] <yoyoyoyo> ???
[12:01] <esdaniel> hi eftb - i have the status "connecting" but it has not got any further - my jabber IDs login fine
[12:02] <yoyoyoyo> Is any version of Ubuntu or Kubuntu that have Ekiga on it? i don`t lnow to much of linux...
[12:02] <yoyoyoyo> pls help me
[12:02] <esdaniel> sorry yoyoyo, know nothing about Ekiga
[12:02] <yoyoyoyo> Ubuntu have Ekiga?
[12:03] <yoyoyoyo> it`s like a mess... .
[12:03] <etfb> yoyoyoyo: Ekiga is available in the repositories, as far as I can see.
[12:03] <etfb> Open up Add/Remove Programs and type "ekiga" to search for it.
[12:03] <esdaniel> http://tinyurl.com/b4227q
[12:04] <esdaniel> :-)
[12:04] <etfb> esdaniel: Cruel but fair...
[12:05] <esdaniel> eftb - i must fess up that it WAS working.... upgraded to 4.2 over weekend, love it, msn was working fine then i did some housekeeping and worried i killed a lib or dependency
[12:06] <etfb> In cases like that, I'd trust apt to know what it's doing.  sudo apt-get --purge remove kopete and then reinstall it.
[12:08] <giarca> but kopete support irc protocol?
[12:08] <giarca> or I misunderstand...
[12:10] <esdaniel> ok interesting, after purging and then re-installing - when i open up config to re-add accounts it does not show me the list of services to select from
[12:10] <esdaniel> nor the plugins
[12:10] <esdaniel> so i guess besides "sudo apt-get install kopete" there's some other wonders I need to install
[12:11] <etfb> esdaniel: Really?  Weird!  Try deleting the Kopete configuration directory... if you can figure out where it is...
[12:11] <esdaniel> ./kde/share/apps/kopete as it happens, ok 2 secs
[12:12] <virnik> etfb: problem fixed... and to answer your question, which and where showed everything OK.
[12:14] <esdaniel> ahh, not entirely sure but think i found the problem - just been browsing ./kde/share/config/ and in kopeterc there's 2 entries for the msn ID
[12:15] <etfb> esdaniel: Aha!
[12:17] <esdaniel> ok, good progress - the service list is back for adding new accounts
[12:18] <esdaniel> need to delete the IM info for MSN account from kopeterc as it has not reappeared , though Jabber accounts fine
[12:23] <esdaniel> nope that didn't do it, going to kill the kopeterc file now
[12:28] <esdaniel> hmm, back to same situation - (have deleted ./kde/share/config/kopeterc & ./kde/share/apps/kopete, relaunched kopete, added the msn account info)
[12:32] <Shiva42> Hello to all
[12:32] <Shiva42> !help
[12:33] <Shiva42> when will kde 4.2 become default DE of kubuntu?
[12:34] <esdaniel> why shiva?
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> Shiva42: KDE 4.2 will become the default DE in Kubuntu 9.04
[12:37] <esdaniel> any other ideas to troubleshoot the kopete/msn thing?
[12:38] <keldrona> hello guys, just a question... I use Kubuntu, I can send file from computer to my phone with bluetooth, but I CAN'T from my phone to my computer. Have you got any idea?
[12:38] <keldrona> Thanks
[12:38] <etfb> esdaniel: That's weird.  Try installing Pidgin and see if it works.  If it does, you have the choice to (a) try to figure out what's different, or (b) just use Pidgin.
[12:39] <Shiva42> kde 4.1 was a raw version, stable ( for me) but very incomplete... 4.2 has some bug yet, but is a decent thing...
[12:40] <Tm_T> Shiva42: wouldn't say that way, but yes, some people see it so
[12:41] <Shiva42> i think that normal users will be happy to see 4.1 swithcing with 4.2, but htay have to wait for april...
[12:42] <Shiva42> maybe upgrading by the default repository in this days would be better...
[12:42] <Shiva42> IMHO
[12:43] <etfb> Shiva42: You can upgrade personally using the kubuntu-experimental repositories.  That's good enough for testing.  I REALLY wouldn't rely on 4.2 (or on 4.1, frankly) for daily use unless you're a masochist... like me...
[12:43] <Shiva42> (sorry for my poor english , i'm from italy!)
[12:45] <Shiva42> yes... it's reasonable. but when on october kubuntu upgraded with kde 4.1 i take it ( i trust kubuntu mangers)
[12:45] <etfb> Shiva42: I think they made a huge mistake.  KDE 4.1 was a disaster.  It even convinced Linus Torvalds to change over to Gnome!
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> etfb: actually KDE *4.0* made him switch
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> 'progress often has to be forced on people' :)
[12:47] <JontheEchidna> 4.2 is worlds better
[12:47] <etfb> Dr_Willis: So do thumbscrews.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[12:47] <esdaniel> 4.2 is pretty good - I like it a lot - i think it was an interesting gamble on the part of KDE team i.e. once KDE4.x is good enough will people rush back who left
[12:47] <etfb> JontheEchidna: I agree entirely.  KDE 4.2 is the first usable KDE 4.x
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> with out forceing 4.x out... then 4.2 would been slower to get here also.  thats just how things often are.
[12:48] <etfb> Although it would be nice if Hibernate and Suspend would work more than a third of the time... but I suspect that's a race condition in the kernel.
[12:48] <esdaniel> biggest mistake is confusing users who can handle unstable environments from majority of kde users
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> From the looks of it - ext4 is getting the big push next
[12:49] <etfb> Dr_Willis: I trust the disk OS team more than I trust the desktop team(s) at the moment, so that doesn't worry me.
[12:49] <etfb> Dr_Willis: I'll probably upgrade to Jaunty as soon as it's out (usually I wait a month) but if it seems to be broken, I'll probably go back to Hardy.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Pulse Audio also might of gotten pushed out a bit too fast.. but  ive have had few problems with it..   thats just how things happen when you try to stickto your release schedules.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Ive learned to wait a month - befor  upgradeing. :)
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> testing out new distros in virtualbox at the moment. just to see what else is out there.
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> None really 'stand' out  above the rest.   Found a nice little Web-browser-koisk live cd however. :)
[12:53] <etfb> Well, I was hoping to finish downloading the latest Heroes episode and have time to watch it before bed, but it's nearly midnight so I think I'll flake now.  Good luck with your various weirdnesses, all, and good night.
[12:54] <esdaniel> yep Dr.W, best way is to test in a vm to protect existing deployments
[12:55] <esdaniel> if you're doing mass rollout check out clonezilla
[12:55] <Assurbanipal> hi guys... i installed kde4 on my ubuntu machine and now i wanna get rid of gnome. is there a command i can use to uninstall it?
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Yep. I really like this  'slitaz' mini-live-cd-disrto.. but its not getting much love/updates it seems.. TInyCore is also one to watch in the future. :)
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Im Just playig with my home lan mainly
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> well time to test out this install... bbl
[12:57] <ajohnsen> Am i the only one who experience problems with the MSN-service in kopete?
[12:57] <Shiva42> i think that it would be better upgrading in this days (after 27/01 kde 4.2 release) and give users a more usable and complete DE... i'm using 4.2 and excluding some minor bugs it's a real (growing ) DE
[12:57] <Shiva42> 4.1 was a patchwork
[12:58] <Shiva42> what koepte version are you using?
[12:58] <ajohnsen> 0.70.0. But worked yesterday
[12:58] <esdaniel> hi ajohnsen, been trying to fix kopete myself today
[12:59] <Shiva42> me too...i'm not expereincing msn porblems
[12:59] <ajohnsen> can you log off and on again?
[12:59] <Shiva42> i got porblems while chatting with a friend that has emesene client
[12:59] <esdaniel> things to check... ./kde/share/config/kopeterc - you probably want to delete that as it might have duplicate instances of the msn config in the file, worth takinga look
[12:59] <ajohnsen> it could be the local server for my area that have some problems
[13:00] <esdaniel> it would be bloody typical i just lost 2 hours trying to fix this if it's the msn servers again
[13:01] <Shiva42> goodbye to all
[13:01] <esdaniel> ciao
[13:01] <ajohnsen> esdaniel: where are you from?
[13:01] <esdaniel> uk
[13:02] <ajohnsen> esdaniel: dk here. could be the same server then
[13:02] <il> hi
[13:02] <esdaniel> it was happening last night btw, the msn login problem
[13:02] <esdaniel> i had service up to 11pm-ish uk time
[13:03] <ajohnsen> I bet it is the server
[13:03] <ajohnsen> webmessenger works :P hehe
[13:03] <esdaniel> yeah, i tried that too ;-)
[13:04] <esdaniel> web works fine
[13:14] <esdaniel> ok lunch for me - will keep this open in case there's more chat about M$N
[13:19] <sandGorgon> guys, is there a way to create a lightweight Kubuntu version for use on old machines? I think all we need is a browser and OpenOffice
[13:20] <Dr_willis> I dont think you are going to get a kde 4.x 'light' :) but it depeds on what you system specs are..
[13:20] <Dr_willis> Pent II old? or  Pent I old? Or older> :)
[13:21] <sandGorgon> Pent II
[13:22] <Dario_Andres> Hi to everyone. A small question: is Adept a Qt-only app? (no KApplication) ?  Thanks in advice
[13:22] <sandGorgon> I think there is edu-nix, which is based on slax and has now KDE 4.2 ... but I want to stay within the Ubuntu family
[13:22] <Dr_willis> You may want to try out some of the very-minimal-disrtos out there sandGorgon  - or try a minimal ubuntu variant and install just what you need..
[13:22] <kuaera> Dario_Andres: Yes, it is. And I think you mean "thanks in advance".
[13:23] <Dr_willis> crunchbang = ubuntu with openbox  - that will save some.. but Openoffice will be a large hog of power/memory
[13:23] <Dario_Andres> kuaera: thanks, and yes, I meant that (sorry about my english)
[13:24] <kuaera> Dario_Andres: It's alright :)
[13:25] <Dario_Andres> see you :)
[13:33] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all, does anybody knows that where does acpi logs?
[13:33] <MetaMorfoziS> under intrepid
[13:35] <sandGorgon> Dr_Willis: im going to try getting ubuntu minimal with kde 4.2. maybe i'll just go with abiword rather than OO
[13:36] <Dr_willis> i woldent want to run kde 4.2 on a PentII system at all..  Fluxbox+abiword - would be doable. :)
[13:37] <Dr_willis> Ram will be a VERY big issue also.
[13:37] <Dr_willis> perhaps a bigger limit  = then cpu power
[13:38] <sandGorgon> today morning I was reading about KDE_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS to speed up KDE. let me see how far i can push it
[13:38] <vbgunz> in 8.10, I had a GeForce 5600 (256MB, AGP 4x) and twinview felt great. In Jaunty, using a 7900GTX,7950GX2 (2x512MB, PCI-E 16x) it feels choppy. prior I had a single core 2.6GHz. Now I have a Quad 2.6GHz processor. why does compositing feel worse in a sense now on twinview?
[13:39] <sandGorgon> vbgunz: i would say the new Xorg drivers are not stable.
[13:40] <vbgunz> but could they really cause such a huge and dramatic hit on performance?
[13:41] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[13:46] <jussi01> does anyone know where I can get the "modern no 20" font for kubuntu?
[13:49] <jussi01> also, anyone know how to put custom colours into open offices colour menus?
[13:52] <whitenexx_> hi
[13:59] <esdaniel> sandGordon - interesting tip re: ARGB_VISUALS, where do you add that? in xorg.conf?
[13:59] <esdaniel> got a link to tip?
[13:59] <an1L> need help abt visual problem...
[14:00] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | an1L
[14:00] <esdaniel> +1 ubottu
[14:01] <chaz> hello ..ppl
[14:02] <an1L> I recently installed kubuntu and without installing the display driver enabled the advanced settings...after that im not getting any display when i login
[14:02] <an1L> tried to login ussing failsafe mode...but that didnt work either
[14:03] <chaz> what graphic card dou you have?
[14:03] <an1L> geforce 7050 onboard
[14:04] <chaz21> good mobo then :)
[14:04] <esdaniel> linkage re: KDE_SKIP_ARGB - http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-kdeskipargbvisuals.html
[14:04] <chaz21> uhmm... maybe something messed up in there.. :)
[14:05] <chaz21> dunno.. tried to reinstall?
[14:05] <user_> help pls..
[14:05] <user_> i` try to install Ubuntu 8.04
[14:06] <user_> we the grafic screen open ... it`s full of lines.... many lines..
[14:06] <user_> don`t see nothing
[14:06] <user_> can anyone help me
[14:06] <user_> ?
[14:08] <user_> helloooooo
[14:08] <esdaniel> an1l, did you try the dpkg reconfigure trick from command line yet?
[14:08] <ActionParsnip1> !ask | user_
[14:08] <an1L> on it...
[14:09] <user_> ok
[14:09] <user_> i try to install Ubuntu 8.04 and wen the grafic screen open ... it`s full of lines.... many lines..  help me pls
[14:12] <an1L> i set the KDE_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS env variable to 1...
[14:12] <esdaniel> >user_ try getting a command prompt i.e. TTY1, use ALT-F1 to select, then: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:12] <ActionParsnip1> user_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:12] <an1L> but still ther's no improverment
[14:13] <ActionParsnip1> user_: run that command in recovery mode root console
[14:13] <user_> 10x
[14:13] <user_> after i install 8.04?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip1> user_: sure, just makes sure its all defaulted
[14:15] <ActionParsnip1> user_: you may want to run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:15] <ActionParsnip1> user_: if those are no good...
[14:15] <ActionParsnip1> !bootoptions | user_
[14:20] <an1L> hi that didnt help...
[14:21] <an1L> what to do??
[14:22] <an1L> hello
[14:24] <ct529> I have a problem. If I put some icons on the desktop, when I log out and then back in, the icons are moved to the top right corner of the desktop, even if I lock the widgets.
[14:24] <ct529> furthermore, if I add icons to the panel, when I log back in, they are not in the panel anymore
[14:24] <ct529> any clue?
[14:25] <an1L> hello ppl...
[14:30] <esdaniel> hi an1L, can you remind us what you've done thus far - did you try and reconfigure xorg in recovery mode?
[14:30] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: make sure you are the owner of all of ~ and make sure you have full access
[14:31] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: yes I have checked .... what do you mean by full access?
[14:31] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you could delete the plasmarc file and log off / on to get a fresh one
[14:31] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: rwx?
[14:31] <an1L> no...im quite new to linux
[14:31] <an1L> dont know those adv cmds
[14:31] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: yeah, sudo chmod -R 755 ~/; sudo chown -R <your username> ~/
[14:32] <thedark> could someone please help me, the window manager in the latest version is driving me insane
[14:32] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: yes, already done
[14:32] <esdaniel> ok, we've all been there ;-)  At the boot prompt there is choice to boot in recovery mode, lets start there, let us know when you've selected to do that and you have a login prompt
[14:32] <thedark> the panel doesn't remember anything I add to it
[14:32] <thedark> so I add the system monitor to it, but it is gone the next time I login
[14:32] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: where are the icons that you put on the desktop stored? and where are the ones that you put on the panel?
[14:33] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: I thought that .locale was the place (because of freedesktop) but it does look like
[14:33] <thedark> also, I had scim working, inputting korean... now, whenever I run scim, it crashs the panel (can't click anything, nothing happens etc.)
[14:33] <an1L> ok done...now im in the recovery menu
[14:33] <thedark> I am losing my mind, this is like the third time in a week I am having serious issues with kdm
[14:34] <thedark> is 8.10 supposed to be stable?
[14:35] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: the widgets I believe are in ~/.kde/share/config/apps or something like that in a file name plasmarc
[14:35] <an1L> esdaniel: and i selected the xfix option and its back on the recovery menu
[14:35] <ActionParsnip1> thedark: runs ok here
[14:35] <thedark> god I must have the worst luck
[14:35] <thedark> it looks really nice but I AM LOSING MY MIND
[14:36] <thedark> I already had to wipe my drive and start again after my first upgrade attempt
[14:36] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: what happens when you delete the plasmarc?
[14:36] <thedark> then KDE got messed up, had to wipe my KDE file (okay, I got to keep my files and all that)
[14:36] <thedark> now, these scim/panel problems
[14:36] <thedark> when it was working fine yesterday
[14:37] <thedark> and I made no system alterations since then!
[14:37] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you need to killall plasma first, then delete it, then relaunch
[14:37] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: plasma will see a blank config and make a new one
[14:37] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: how do you restart plasma?
[14:37] <RimFrost> hello  im running KDE 4.1.4 and i saw on kubuntu.org that 4.2 was released how do i upgrade?
[14:37] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: renaming will be a better option
[14:38] <esdaniel> an1l> re: xfix - are you following the prompts ?
[14:38] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: like any other app, plasma &
[14:38] <thedark> god, if I could just get scim working
[14:39] <ActionParsnip1> !info scim
[14:40]  * ct529 rebooting X
[14:41] <ct529> back
[14:41] <ct529> thedark: what is the problem?
[14:42] <esdaniel> RimFrost: http://tinyurl.com/alr7zy
[14:42] <RimFrost> ok thanks
[14:43] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: did not create the plasmarc
[14:44] <dhendu9411> does anyone in here use the dolphin file manager?
[14:44] <thedark> maybe this is part of the problem:
[14:44] <thedark> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[14:44] <thedark> LANGUAGE=ko
[14:44] <thedark> somehow LANGUAGE=ko
[14:44] <thedark> how do I change it to English?
[14:46] <EagleScreen> I have a dude. I am going to do a change in package qtparted, it uses dpatch patches in debian/patches, so I fisrtly will make a dpatch patch with my changes, and later a debdiff with the difference between old and new package, my question is if the changes in the changelog file must go in the dpatch patch, or only in the debdiff patch
[14:46] <thedark> as far as scim goes:
[14:46] <thedark> Loading x11 FrontEnd module ...
[14:46] <thedark> SCIM has exited abnormally.
[14:47] <thedark> that is the error I get
[14:50] <thedark> nobody uses scim?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> thedark: can you run it with some debug options. try running it from terminal so you can harvest the output
[14:50] <thedark> nobody here from Asia>
[14:51] <thedark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116470/
[14:51] <thedark> that is the output I get
[14:51] <thedark> also, how do I change the LANGUAGE=ko
[14:51] <thedark> to English?
[14:51] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: ok it works .... I removed both .locacl and plasmarc ....
[14:52] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: I find difficult to organise the desktop without the possibility to arrange icons on a grid .... :)
[14:52] <ct529> thedark: which packages did you install?
[14:53] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you may find that if you set the things up now and lock them it will be ok
[14:53] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: yes it works ....
[14:54] <ActionParsnip1> yey
[14:54] <thedark> scim-hangul
[14:54] <ActionParsnip1> if config files get damaged, stuff goes wonky
[14:54] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: thanks a lot!
[14:54] <thedark> scim-gtk2-immodule
[14:54] <ct529> thedark: what do you need to edit?
[14:54] <ct529> thedark: what applications do you need?
[14:54] <thedark> everything, but primarily mnemosyne
[14:55] <thedark> I had it working with everything yesterday
[14:55] <thedark> now it won't start
[14:55] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: the other probelm about the desktop is that I do not find a way to create a new empty icon ....
[14:55] <ct529> thedark: what version?
[14:55] <thedark> of what?
[14:56] <thedark> I got everything from the resositories
[14:56] <thedark> I am using Kubuntu 8.10
[14:56] <ct529> thedark: of Kubuntu
[14:56] <thedark> yeah Intrepid
[14:57] <ct529> thedark: do you need hangul? not pinyin?
[14:57] <thedark> yeah
[14:57] <thedark> I am learning Korean
[14:57] <thedark> not Chinese
[14:57] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: how do you mean empty icon?
[14:57] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: empty icon on the desktop
[14:57] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: not connected to anything
[14:58] <ct529> thedark: do you have the bridge packages and the skim packages?
[14:58] <thedark> yes, skim comes with Kubuntu doesn't it?
[14:59] <khalidmian> cant seem to connect to msn via koponsete any help/sugestions/recommendati
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: what would be the point?
[14:59] <thedark> brb
[14:59] <ct529> thedark: could you please pastebin dpkg -l *skim* and dpkg -l *scim*
[15:00] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: it wouldnt make any sense to have one
[15:00] <thedark> okay, doing that
[15:00] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: to connect it to a manually installed application
[15:00] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: make it when the app is made
[15:00] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: or installed
[15:01] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: if you want a link on your desktop you can create a symlink which will make life easier
[15:01] <thedark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116474/
[15:02] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: a simlink? on the kde4 desktop? how?
[15:02] <khalidmian> cant seem to connect to msn via kopote any help/sugestions/recommendations
[15:02] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: you cannot make when the application is installed
[15:03] <ct529> thedark: the scim-tables for korean are missing
[15:03] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: you can create a widget to an application or folder but it must e installed / present
[15:04] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:04] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: how?
[15:05] <esdaniel> khalidmian: it seems Kopete is broken, not yet found fix for this, best to install/use Pidgin if you're desperate to use M$N IM right now
[15:06] <ct529> ActionParsnip1: how do you create a widget to an application?
[15:06] <khalidmian> esdaniel: thanks for info i thought i was configuring it wrong or something
[15:07] <ActionParsnip1> ct529: right click desktop and run from there, i dont use thm but i know you can make them. I did it ages agao
[15:07] <ActionParsnip1> i gotta split kid
[15:07] <ActionParsnip1> s
[15:07] <ActionParsnip1> peace out
[15:07] <dreisinger> I originally installed the broken kdev4 packages, I removed and purged and updated my systems packages, and then reinstalled, it got the files it needed for plugins, but it still doesn't load them. It works fine on my laptop which never had the broken version. Any ideas?
[15:08] <thedark> how do I change my LANGUAGE= setting to English
[15:08] <thedark> it is set to KO
[15:08] <thedark> I am installing the tables
[15:08] <esdaniel> thedark: system settings / regional settings (tried there yet?)
[15:08] <thedark> and scim still doesn't start
[15:08] <thedark> yes
[15:09] <thedark> it is set to US English
[15:09] <thedark> and Korean is listed as one of the installed languages
[15:09] <ct529> thedark: wait ....
[15:09] <ct529> thedark: start skim, not scim
[15:10] <ct529> thedark: go in kicker under utilities
[15:10] <ct529> thedark: start skim
[15:10] <thedark> adept says skim is installed
[15:10] <thedark> but Skim will not start
[15:11] <ct529> thedark: are you sure there is no small icon in the system tray?
[15:12] <thedark> there is an icon
[15:12] <thedark> a question mark
[15:12] <thedark> I click it, nothing happens
[15:12] <ct529> thedark: you have to click the third button .... that is the right button
[15:13] <scarabeus> heya, do you patch up kopete to add some functionality? due to bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258428 , cause i am not sure if it is our issue or not
[15:14] <thedark> wuh?
[15:14] <thedark> there are no 3 buttons
[15:14] <ct529> thedark: go on the icon in the system tray and click the right button of the mouse
[15:15] <ct529> thedark: the right button of the mouse
[15:15] <mossgix> sry for the noobity
[15:15] <mossgix> i need to resize my partition
[15:15] <mossgix> that i'm using atm
[15:15]  * ct529 need to reboot X
[15:15] <mossgix> i've installed gparted
[15:16] <mossgix> but i guess that for resizing i should execute it without using the HD
[15:16] <mossgix> how could i do this?
[15:16] <thedark> okay I got it
[15:17] <saimir> hello @all
[15:17] <mossgix> [16:16:00] <mossgix> but i guess that for resizing i should execute it without using the HD
[15:17] <mossgix> [16:16:10] <mossgix> how could i do this?
[15:17] <genii> mossgix: The usual way is to boot a livecd and make changes from there
[15:17] <saimir> i am new in Ubuntu and need some help
[15:18] <thedark> 한국거
[15:18] <thedark> I got it
[15:18] <thedark> it works
[15:18] <mossgix> tnx
[15:18] <thedark> thanks!
[15:18] <thedark> hopefully it keeps working...
[15:19] <genii> saimir: Best to just say the specific problem you need help with and see if someone answers
[15:19] <thedark> 간삼니다
[15:20] <saimir> i use a amd64 and i have a problem if i install the new update from grub
[15:20] <ct529> thedark: good!
[15:20] <ct529> thedark: unfortunately my skim / scim does not work with konversation .... what are you using?
[15:21] <thedark> I was typing in Hangul with Skim in Konversation
[15:21] <thedark> works for me
[15:21] <ct529> thedark: it does not work for me
[15:22] <thedark> hmm... wish I could help you in return...
[15:23] <thedark> do you mean you can't read or you just can't input?
[15:23] <TeLLuS> saimir: problem is not booting?
[15:25] <saimir> TeLLuS: yes the new one is not booting
[15:25] <saimir> but i select the old one an is no problem
[15:25] <saimir> i don't understand it
[15:26] <saimir> does it have a bug for AMD64 or is this normal
[15:26] <TeLLuS> saimir: Did you run grub-install (hd0) after?
[15:27] <saimir> yes but when i reboot it i couldn't run it
[15:27] <saimir> ok this not a big problem untill i have the old one
[15:35] <Guest42524> 453994078
[15:40] <ct529> thedark: no, it does not work ....
[15:44] <ct529> thedark: 他工作！！
[15:44] <Tm_T> ct529: päivää vain sinnekin
[15:55] <cumulus007> I installed kcron, but there is no exectubale of it
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> cumulus007: it's a systemsettings module
[15:56] <cumulus007> ah
[15:56] <cumulus007> thanks
[15:56] <hyakuhei> hi all, I've just stripped out my ubuntu install, (it was a mash up of various bits of kde,gnome etc) I'm faced with installing either kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-kde4-desktop - I'm running an up to date 8.10 install with kubuntu-experimental ppa in my sources - which meta package should I install to get the KDE4 shinyness ?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> habtool: kubuntu-desktop
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> oops
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> hyakuhei: kubuntu-desktop
[15:57] <hyakuhei> Thanks JontheEchidna
[15:57] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: I can't find it in System Settings
[15:58] <JontheEchidna> cumulus007: you might need to do a kbuildsycoca4 from the console or log out/back in before it'll appear
[15:59] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: still can't find it
[15:59] <ct529> Tm_T: are you finnish?
[15:59] <Tm_T> ct529: why asking?
[15:59] <ct529> päivää vain sinnekin
[16:00] <vge> !fin prkl
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> cumulus007: maybe try kcmshell4 kcron
[16:00] <Tm_T> vge: no cursing in any language, thanks
[16:00] <vge> yeye
[16:00] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: kcron not found
[16:01] <cumulus007> found it!
[16:01] <cumulus007> Task planner
[16:01] <resno> hello guys. i am looking for help with a few terminal commands.
[16:01] <cumulus007> resno: what do you want to do?
[16:01] <Lem_> hello
[16:01] <resno> i want to use gunzip to zip some files.
[16:01] <resno> gunzip  [ -acfhlLnNrtvV ]  [-S suffix]  [ name ...  ]
[16:02] <resno> which one do i use?
[16:02] <resno> i want to keep its name, and just gunzip it
[16:03] <resno> Lem_: hello
[16:04] <Lem_> resno: Hi
[16:04] <Lem_> I follow the recommendation at the bottom of the KDE 4.2 release piece of news... :D'
[16:05] <Lem_> It says: "If you come across any issue which may be packaging related, it is recommended that you join the Kubuntu IRC channel (#kubuntu on irc.freenode.net) and query those in the channel for assistance."
[16:05] <Lem_> and you know what?
[16:05] <ct529> !widget
[16:05] <Lem_> I have got packaging issue... :D
[16:05] <ct529> !plasmoid
[16:06] <Amx_nate> hello\
[16:06] <Lem_> ct529: something already in a bot on that topic?
[16:06] <gorgonizer> Lem_: what packaging error are you getting?
[16:06] <Lem_> Amx_nate: hello
[16:06] <resno> can anyone help with running gunzip through terminal? i know its "﻿gunzip  [ -acfhlLnNrtvV ]  [-S suffix]  [ name ...  ] "
[16:09] <resno> how do you compress a directory?
[16:10] <Amx_nate> whenever i login it seems to restart x or something, i have tried to change the ownership of my home folder, and i tried to add another user, i even figured it couldn't hurt to reload kubuntu8.04, still broken and i have a buncha work to do to put my system back to the way it was.*sigh*
[16:10] <Lem_> gorgonizer: the following packages have unmet dependecies: kdebase-workspace-bin: depends kdebase-workspace-data(=4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa7) but is not going to be installed
[16:10] <Lem_> gorgonizer: thanks for your interest
[16:11] <Amx_nate> it happened after i tried to install vmware.....
[16:12] <cumulus007> JontheEchidna: my cron works, but it opens a Konsole window
[16:12] <cumulus007> I don't want that
[16:12] <cumulus007> I want it to run on the background
[16:13] <gorgonizer> Lem_: are you using command line?  if so, do sudo apt-get -f install  to see if kdebase-workspace-data is installed..
[16:13] <Lem_> resno: man gunzip
[16:13] <Lem_> that's how I do it
[16:13] <Lem_> and gunzip is easy to use
[16:13] <ct529> Lem_: sorry?
[16:14] <Lem_> ct529: nothing.. :)
[16:14] <Hexagown> Hello, i have an verry irretating issue... Im pritty new with Linux, and I'v got evrything to work (I think), exept the sound.
[16:14] <Hexagown> Iv got perfekt sound when I use the media player, Amarok, but if i want to see an vid on internet there is no sound..
[16:14] <Hexagown> someone know whats wrong?
[16:15] <cumulus007> Hexagown: are you using PulseAudio or something?
[16:15] <Lem_> gorgonizer: shall I run sudo apt-get -f install kdebase-workspace-data? or just sudo apt-get -f install?
[16:15] <Hexagown> Well, iv installed nothing like that, i have kmix, amarok and use firefox as browser,
[16:16] <Lem_> gorgonizer: I will try both ptherwise... :D
[16:16] <gorgonizer> Lem_: just  sudo apt-get -f install   initially, if that doesn't install the package, do   sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-data
[16:16] <Lem_> gorgonizer: thanks. I need a bit of time before I get back to you
[16:16] <Lem_> something came up in real life... :D
[16:16] <gorgonizer> Lem_: no problem.. :)
[16:17] <resno> Lem_: what should I do to get it gunzip a directory?
[16:18] <ruben> ehy
[16:18] <ali__> which is the best linux , having excellent looks with themes
[16:18] <ali__> I think its Mandrake Linux........
[16:19] <Hexagown> Someone have an solution for my issue?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Hexagown, no sound on firefox ? ..install flashplugin-nonfree
[16:20] <Hexagown> Okay, what is the command for that?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Hexagown , it depends on your repositories
[16:21] <BluesKaj> !repsitory
[16:21] <BluesKaj> !repository
[16:21] <Hexagown> Hmm okay..
[16:22] <Amx_nate> did i mess something up when i installed vmware
[16:23] <BluesKaj> the repos are where your packages are located , Hexagown ...open adept and and enable all third party software in the sources option
[16:25] <Hexagown> Okay...
[16:28] <Hexagown> Im at "Third-Party Software" now, how do i enable them?
[16:29] <Hexagown> ah think I found out.
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Hexagown make sure there's a checkmark inall boxes except the cdrom one
[16:30] <Hexagown> Okay, just and question, why not the cdrom? (want to learn evryting :D)
[16:31] <Amx_nate> there is no repository in your cdrom
[16:32] <Hexagown> Well, what shall I do now, when Iv enabled all of those?
[16:32] <Hexagown> Ah okay.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> because the  cdrom doesn't have third party packages you
[16:32] <BluesKaj> you see :)
[16:33] <Hexagown> No sound yet, and there is no new packages...
[16:34] <BluesKaj> ok Hexagown , now do: sudo apt-get update , in the konsole , then sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[16:35] <Lem_> resno: tar -cf archive.tar directory/*
[16:35] <Lem_> resno: gzip archive.tar
[16:36] <Lem_> resno: end of story
[16:36] <Lem_> :)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Hexagown, also; sudo apt-get install ffmpeg libxine1-ffmpeg libk3b2-mp3
[16:37] <BluesKaj> just to cover all the bases , so to speak
[16:38] <gorgonizer> Hexagown: you could try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras  too
[16:38] <maco>  /join #ubuntu-kernel
[16:38] <maco> that worked well -_-
[16:38] <Hexagown> Hmm okay, now I get a really wierd error message, when i do sudo apt-get update... It says: "E: Unable to lock the administration dierctory (var/lib/dpkg/), is another prosess using it?"
[16:39] <gorgonizer> Hexagown: is Adept still open?
[16:39] <Hexagown> Argh, yes, hehe forgot
[16:39] <maco> thats a very common error :P
[16:39] <Hexagown> :D Okay
[16:40] <Hexagown> Okay, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree Is done now...
[16:41] <BluesKaj> Hexagown , did you see my suggestion above ?
[16:42] <Hexagown> Can't use sudo apt-get install ffmpeg libxine1-ffmpeg libk3b2-mp3, but konsle suggest anotherone,  libk3b3-extracodcs, skall I install that?
[16:42] <Hexagown> ye, saw it
[16:42] <Hexagown> shall I install that*
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:43] <Hexagown> Okay
[16:43] <BluesKaj> sry , my texts are not up to date
[16:43] <lolerskater> hi guys.
[16:43] <Hexagown> Done, okay, is there annything els I need?
[16:44] <Hexagown> Its np :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> Hexagown it's , libk3b3-extracodecs
[16:44] <Hexagown> yeap, got it
[16:44] <BluesKaj> good
[16:44] <BluesKaj> lolerskater , hi
[16:45] <lolerskater> My system-harddisk is broken.. and without it, i don't really know how to access my luks-encrypted hard-disks
[16:45] <lolerskater> which were my /home.. and i'd really really like to save the data on them.
[16:45] <Hexagown> Still no sound, but I'll try to reboot and see if that helps.
[16:46] <lolerskater> so.. could anyone tell me how to recover the data? i'm on knoppix-live-disc atm
[16:50] <Hexagown> Yes, sound is working now! That you verry mutch for the help!
[16:53] <BluesKaj> cool, Hexagown
[16:53] <Hexagown> Well, actually I have 1 more problem, but I don't know if it that easy to slove it, but annyways, I get the message: "Problem with audio playback" when I try to call with skype, annyone knows whare the problem is? Iv read alot at the internet, but i just can't find a good answer...
[16:54] <Hexagown> Btw, I have skype for linux 8.04, So dont know if it will work annyway.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> Hexagown , sry i'm not a skype user
[16:56] <zerothis1> when I add a new user to my system, the new user boots to a blank tan background and nothing else.
[16:56] <esdaniel> sorry. missed that - what's the skype q hex?
[16:56] <lolerskater> what's the package name for glibc 2.4?
[16:57] <Hexagown> Oh okay Blues, well its no problem, ill try to fix it on my own then.
[16:57] <esdaniel> hex, what's the prob w/skype?
[16:57] <Hexagown> Well, actually I have 1 more problem, but I don't know if it that easy to slove it, but annyways, I get the message: "Problem with audio playback" when I try to call with skype, annyone knows whare the problem is? Iv read alot at the internet, but i just can't find a good answer...
[16:57] <Hexagown> there it is.
[16:57] <Hexagown> Btw, I have skype for linux 8.04, So dont know if it will work annyway.
[16:58] <esdaniel> i got it running fine on 8.10/4.2 amd64 - no pulseaudio though
[16:58] <esdaniel> are you on 32 or 64?
[16:59] <Hexagown> Okay, well I have 32bit
[16:59] <Hexagown> and Kubuntu 8.10
[17:02] <Hexagown> And Btw, what is pulseAudio, im pritty new with Linux...
[17:02] <zerothis1> pulseAudio is a thorn in the side
[17:02] <Hexagown> :D
[17:02] <BluesKaj> forget pulse audio
[17:04] <zerothis1> its supposed to be an all-in-one sound system to replace OSS and ALSA, from what I gather, but also run them. a neat feature is multiple apps using OSS and myltiple apps using ALSA all at once. Problem is, it doesn't always work and you need to use ALSA to get your sound back
[17:05] <Hexagown> Hmm okay, thats wierd... Well, do someone have a solution for what to do with my skype issue?
[17:07] <zerothis1> did you try going to System>Prefferences>Sound and switching everything to ALSA or to your sound devices directly. then testing each?
[17:09] <unixdawg> ok myplayer needs to be fixed for jaunt
[17:09] <Pici> unixdawg: #ubuntu+1 is the channel for Jaunty discussion fyi
[17:11] <BluesKaj> how much more jaunty can this chat be ? :0
[17:12] <chuckh1958> I just installed kubuntu 8.10 on a dell d630 dual boot laptop. I'm having trouble getting the wirless to work. It's the intel 3945abg adatper. I can list ssid's with the networking app on the tray or with "iwlist scan" but when I try to connect it does nothing.
[17:12] <chuckh1958> ^wireless^
[17:13] <esdaniel> sorry hex, was on the phone, 2 secs
[17:14] <esdaniel> k, skype is in the medibuntu repos, so you need to add that to your sources in adept package manager, will get that info now, do you know how to add sources?
[17:14] <Hexagown> Hmm, zerothis1: Im not sure Im doing this right, but Iv done like this: System propetes>Sound and there I choose Communication, and there Iv got 2 "cards" (but only have sound though my mothercard) and THey says: VIA 8237 with ALC655(VIA 8237) and the other says, HDA ATI HDMI, ATI (HDMI Audio Output)
[17:14] <Hexagown> Okay, np
[17:15] <Hexagown> Am I at the right place?
[17:15] <esdaniel> hex: see here to add medibuntu: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/29/medibuntu-the-only-3rd-party-repo-i-use/
[17:15] <esdaniel> then it's a case of: sudo apt-get install skype
[17:15] <Hexagown> Well, I'v allready got Linux.
[17:16] <Hexagown> Wopps, ment Skype :D
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Choosing the default sound card : 'asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[17:16] <esdaniel> thanks Blues :-)
[17:18] <BluesKaj> Hexagown , sometimes the BIOS has to be edited in the peripherals section to disable one card so the other has default priority , it isn't always necessary to do this in Linux , but in some cases it is.
[17:19] <Hexagown> Iv tried to use asoundconf set-default-card and both the options now, and still skype aint working.
[17:20] <BluesKaj> have you updated skype to your OS version ?
[17:20] <zerothis1> Hexagown: I don't have any elegent solutions. myself, I just mix and match all the sound entries that test successfully until it works best
[17:20] <Hexagown> and Iv allso tried sudo apt-get install skype, and the answer is that Iv got the latest version allready.
[17:21] <Hexagown> Well, evryting iv tried so far, have worked... Nothing.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> Hexagown,do  the command I gave earlier without the first quote , try this  : asoundconf set-default-card "VIA 8237"
[17:22] <Hexagown> Okay.
[17:23] <Hexagown> Nope, same issue.
[17:24] <Hexagown> or you ment like this? asoundconf set-default-card VIA 8237"?
[17:24] <Hexagown> becous now console just shoing >
[17:24] <Hexagown> showing*
[17:25] <BluesKaj> no, both quotation marks around the card name are required
[17:25] <Hexagown> ok, then nope, it dident work.
[17:25] <BluesKaj> sound is still ok in amarok and youtube etc ?
[17:25] <Hexagown> Yeap, its perfekt there now
[17:28] <Hexagown> Well, if nothing els will work, I can try to find another "Skype-Looking" programm.
[17:28] <Hexagown> Iv heard of one, ekiga, annyone haveing expirence of that?
[17:29]  * Tm_T uses mumble, great for conferences too
[17:29] <Hexagown> Hm okay, I'll try that one out then
[17:31] <Hexagown> Ehum, iv never mannige to open a .tar.bzz2 file, can someone explain, as I said before, new with Linux..
[17:31] <Hexagown> Well, open is easy, but install is harder :P
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Hexagown  Extracting tar.bz2 files to a folder:  tar -jxvf filename.tar.bz2
[17:33] <Hexagown> Okay, thnx
[17:33] <chuckh1958> Can anyone help with my wireless question?
[17:34] <BluesKaj> it will then extract the files to a folder , then find the README text file in the folder and follow the install instructions there
[17:35] <Hexagown> Hmm, get message "open" faild, can't find the file.
[17:35] <Hexagown> shall i write /home/...?
[17:36] <Hexagown> ah ye, got it now
[17:36] <BluesKaj> the folder will be in /home/yourname ..you have to have permission to execute the file , I usually just right click and open properties and check the exe box
[17:37] <Hexagown> What shall I do now? Iv extract it, whare is it saved?
[17:39] <Hexagown> Hmm, is it sudo apt-get install murmur?
[17:39] <BluesKaj> it's saved in /home/yourname
[17:40] <Hexagown> Ah ye, got it running now, thnx :)
[17:40] <BluesKaj> murmur or mumble ?
[17:40] <Hexagown> murmur.
[17:41] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj I am having an inexplicable problem with HAL.
[17:42] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj I just noticed the other day a cdrom put into one of my drives didn't do the usual automount and then put an icon on the desktop.
[17:42] <Hexagown> BluesKaj: Wopps, ment Murble.
[17:42] <compilerwriter> hald is up to date and when I did the init.d thing it told me it was already running.
[17:44] <kaddi> test
[17:44] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj the media players can seem to detect the and play the cds somehow but I am at a loss as to what is causing the trouble with hald?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter , I've noticed the same thing , I use dolphin to bring up the drive
[17:45] <compilerwriter> Are you using KDE 4.2 BluesKaj?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> however, compilerwriter , I'm checking with a pictures cd and it shows up in the devices recently plugged in dialog
[17:46] <BluesKaj> yes . 4.2
[17:48] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter , do you see the icon with a screen and usb logo ? Prolly beside your clock
[17:48] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj is there a way to get conversation to create an alias for me to make a shortcut to substitute a nickname for a certain easty to type string.
[17:48] <compilerwriter> Yes I do see that BluesKaj
[17:48] <compilerwriter> I shows my usb pendrive nicely.
[17:48] <DeadTreeHugger> hi... I'm on Intrepid and using KDE 4.2 from the kubuntu-experimental PPA...
[17:48] <Hexagown> [18.41] Opening chosen ALSA Input failed: can't find the unit           Mumble says like that... :S
[17:49] <BluesKaj> try a cd, compilerwriter
[17:49] <KandyDE> HI
[17:49] <DeadTreeHugger> can I assume that right now, there's no way that I can install the KOffice 2 betas from PPA w/o running into dependency conflicts?
[17:49] <Hexagown> I use KDE 4.2
[17:49] <KandyDE> me 2
[17:49] <compilerwriter> I have just opened and closed both cdrom drives.
[17:50] <Hexagown> Well guys, Im off for the day, Thanks to evryone that have helped me today, and hope to see you tomorrow, bye bye
[17:50] <KandyDE> bye
[17:50] <BluesKaj> bye Hexagown
[17:50] <compilerwriter> they are not showing up in the icon thing.  I wonder if my fstab that automounts my cdrom drives with filesystem auto is causing an issue with the workings of the widget BluesKaj?
[17:50] <racle> hey
[17:51] <racle> got problem
[17:51] <racle> cant set 1680x1050 resolution
[17:51] <racle> got ati's display drivers
[17:51] <KandyDE> does anybody here know about syncing mobiles with contact?
[17:51] <KandyDE> @racle does your ati driver work?
[17:52] <racle> yeah i think so
[17:52] <KandyDE> mmm..
[17:52] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter , you may have a conflict due to 2 cdrom drives...maybe one should be made the default
[17:52] <racle> at least i cacn get 1400x1050 resolution
[17:52] <racle> but that too small, i want bigger :P
[17:52] <KandyDE> ..seems that it does'nt recognize your monitor correctly
[17:53] <compilerwriter> How would one do that BluesKaj?
[17:53] <racle> yeah maybe :/
[17:53] <racle> got this problem with windows too
[17:53] <racle> but there was easy solution :P
[17:53] <KandyDE> :D tellme...
[17:53] <racle> uncheck "dont show unsupported screen modes" or something like that :P
[17:54] <racle> but @ kubuntu that harder
[17:54] <KandyDE> oh you mean THIS solution ;)
[17:54] <racle> tryed couple days to fix this
[17:55] <racle> but after what vista done, i never go back to that
[17:55] <BluesKaj> BBIAB
[17:55] <KandyDE> well I don't know on what level you're operating...
[17:56] <KandyDE> are U a User or programmer...
[17:56] <compilerwriter> What seems so odd BluesKaj is that I didn't have this problem in earlier versions.
[17:56] <racle> my vista error :
[17:56] <racle> "You cannot log on because the logon method you are using is not allowed on
[17:56] <racle> this computer. Please see you network administrator for more details."
[17:57] <racle> so i could not log to that and there is no other accounts :/
[17:57] <KandyDE> uups
[17:57] <racle> that main reason i try get kubuntu work :)
[17:57] <KandyDE> oki so what i can tell you ist try xorg.conf
[17:57] <gorgonizer> racle: what is the default resolution of your wide screen monitor (which I assume it is)?
[17:58] <KandyDE> ..it's outdated but still works.
[17:58] <racle> i have tryed confing that
[17:59] <racle> but cant se any modes or modeling that work with ati drivers :/
[17:59] <racle> and also tryed radeonhd open source drivers, with bad results
[17:59] <reagleBRKLN> when i wake up from a kpowersave s2r, my alsa settings aren't what they were. as root i've done `alsactl store` but no joy
[17:59] <KandyDE> maybe you tried HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[18:00] <racle> yeah, tryed those too
[18:00] <KandyDE> puh ..becomes more difficult..
[18:00] <racle> but cant set my resolution to 1680x1050, so i could try with that too :/
[18:00] <racle> yeah...
[18:00] <racle> ive been thinking why this doesn't work
[18:01] <racle> even aticonfig --resolution=0,1680x1050
[18:01] <racle> doesn't work
[18:01] <KandyDE> maybe you look in the definitions which range your monitor has and type these in.
[18:01] <racle> how?
[18:01] <racle> some guidebook of my monitor? :P
[18:01] <KandyDE>  HorizSync       24.0 - 80.0
[18:02] <KandyDE>     VertRefresh     50.0 - 75.0
[18:02] <KandyDE> try google :)
[18:02] <KandyDE> these are the wrong numbers but type in these of your monitor an it should work
[18:03] <KandyDE> I think that your problem is that your driver does not correctly resolve the PnP of your Monitor
[18:04] <KandyDE> Well I hope that was useful for you.
[18:04] <KandyDE> I have to leave now.
[18:04] <KandyDE> bye
[18:04] <racle> Max Sync Rate (V x H)  	 76 Hz x 83 kHz
[18:19] <Rioting_pacifist> how come i cant install python-scipy
[18:20] <binMonkey> hi, guys.  i tried to add a dirctory to PATH but everytime i shut down and start again the new directory is gone.  how do i add it permanently?
[18:20] <pablo__> hello everyone
[18:20] <pablo__> I was trying to fix chopy video in flash player yesterday, and i asked for help here
[18:21] <pablo__> unfortunately, the result is a complete corruption of my graphics set up.  so i'm stuck with a very slowly refreshing screen with no acceleration
[18:21] <pablo__> what should I do?
[18:21] <pablo__> i have an nvidia 8200
[18:22] <LuXor> guys i am new so i have a question, how to change window decorations?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> pablo__ , install the right driver for your card with adept
[18:22] <pablo__> BluesKaj: how do I know which is the right one?
[18:22] <pablo__> using the default 177 or 173 drivers in the hardware manager thing doesn't work
[18:23] <LuXor> someone will help?
[18:23] <pablo__> :(
[18:23] <pablo__> LuXor: using kde?
[18:23] <LuXor> pablo__: yes
[18:23] <pablo__> LuXor: click on the k menu
[18:23] <pablo__> click on system settings
[18:23] <BluesKaj> pablo__ are you sure the 177 is the right one for the 8200?
[18:23] <pablo__> click on appearence
[18:24] <BluesKaj> I use the 177 on a 7600
[18:24] <pablo__> BluesKaj: it's the one kubuntu reccomends.  i tried 173, and it didn't work.  previously, i was using the driver i downloaded straight from the nvidia page, but that doesn't work anymore, so i'm guessing some strange modification of some config files occured
[18:25] <LuXor> pablo__: ok, i've found one, thank you
[18:26] <pablo__> LuXor: np
[18:26] <BluesKaj> pablo__ , you have to uninstall the nvidia driver that you downloaded from their site
[18:26] <pablo__> BluesKaj: the one's ubuntu reccomended didn't work before i had installed the one from the site
[18:26] <quassel208> Does it make any different if you compile KDE from source?
[18:27] <pablo__> that said, how would i go about uninstalling something installed by a .run file?
[18:27] <pablo__> quassel208:  I wouldn't bother.  much bigger headache than it's worth
[18:27] <quassel208> ah okay I though it would be faster maby
[18:28] <pablo__> quassel208: not noticably
[18:28] <quassel208> okay i bet you would need to build everthing from source then
[18:29] <pablo__> BluesKaj:  how familiar are you with this type of problem?  unfortunately, the last guy i asked help from ended up making things worse :(
[18:29] <pablo__> !nvidia
[18:30] <BluesKaj> get rid of it pablo,uninstall everything to do with nvidia
[18:30] <BluesKaj> then start from scratch , the 8200 isn'rt listed in the 177 supported drivers \
[18:31] <BluesKaj> have to find the right driver
[18:32] <compilerwriter> pablo__ BluesKaj would tell you if he was not qualified to help you.  I will vouch that BluesKaj is certain his suggestion will be helpful to your cause and will do no harm if it does not help.
[18:33] <BluesKaj> pablo , your nvidia driver is the glx-180 ..your card is listed there
[18:33] <pablo__> compilerwriter: that's great.  I'm not saying I don't trust him.  I've just been down this path before.  of using the default reccomended driver without the custom installed one.  that said, how do i remove the driver i installed from the nvidia .run file
[18:34] <pablo__> BluesKaj: k, just a sec
[18:35] <compilerwriter> pablo__ BluesKaj wil be able to tell you best there.  My knowledge is more of the arcane administration of multiple users and fixing the things they break stuff.
[18:35] <compilerwriter> usually their own blasted accounts.
[18:35] <pablo__> BluesKaj:  k, i'm downloading the 180 package
[18:35] <pablo__> hope it works
[18:35] <compilerwriter> The user that deletes his .bash file for example.
[18:35] <pablo__> compilerwriter: lolo
[18:36] <BluesKaj> are you using a package manager pablo ?
[18:36] <pablo__> BluesKaj: i'm using apt-get
[18:36] <BluesKaj> ok good , did you uninstall the driver from the nvidia site ?
[18:36] <pablo__> BluesKaj: I don't know how to do that
[18:37] <pablo__> BluesKaj:  it was installed via a .run file
[18:37] <KEBA> hello
[18:37] <compilerwriter> hello KEBA
[18:37] <KEBA> does anyone have free kde 4.2 screenshots? i need them for a free german linux magazine
[18:37] <KEBA> hello compilerwriter
[18:38] <BluesKaj> well, don't install the new driver 'til you uninstall the .run file ... sudo dpkg -r "the nvidia.run " file whjatever it's name is
[18:38] <compilerwriter> I believe the KDE site has some they will allow you if you ask KEBA.
[18:39] <compilerwriter> KEBA has your magazine a web site?
[18:39] <KEBA> compilerwriter: hmm, i dont have time really, but i write an email
[18:39] <KEBA> www.yalmagazine.org
[18:40] <BluesKaj> pablo, sudo dpkg -r "the nvidia.run "
[18:44] <pablo__> BluesKaj: it made no difference.  probably because it made no change to my xconfig.  its still listed as using default.  what should i do?
[18:46] <vbgunz> anyone know of a font very close to segoe UI for Vista? Thats a very nice font. unfortunately it only looks nice due to ClearType. Anyone know of a nice "slim and tall" font similiar to it?
[18:48] <pablo__> BluesKaj: are you still around?
[18:48] <BluesKaj> pablo, did you sudo dpkg -r "the nvidia.run " file ..whatever it's called
[18:48] <pablo__> no, i'll try it
[18:48] <BluesKaj> you should have done that first
[18:49] <pablo__> BluesKaj: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove /home/pablo/desktop/stuff for my desktop/nvidia-linux-x86-180.22-pkg1.run which isn't installed.
[18:53] <pablo__> !ping
[18:53] <BluesKaj> pablo__, look in kmenu / settings /
[18:53] <BluesKaj> nvidia xSERVER SETTINGS
[18:54] <pablo__> BluesKaj:what am i looking for in that?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> to see if it's enabled
[18:57] <pablo__> it told me to run nvidia-xconfig
[18:57] <pablo__> so i did
[18:57] <pablo__> should i restart X?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> pablo__, or kmenu/system/hardware drivers
[18:57] <BluesKaj> no don't startx  yet
[18:58] <pablo__> BluesKaj: ok, now what?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> is there an active driver listed ?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> pablo__, is there an active driver listed in kmenu/system/hardware drivers ?
[19:04] <pablo__> BluesKaj: sorry, just a sec
[19:04] <pablo__> BluesKaj: no, nothing new
[19:05] <BluesKaj> not new , is there an active driver listed ?
[19:06] <pablo__> BluesKaj:  no
[19:07] <BluesKaj> are there any drivers listed?
[19:09] <pablo__> BluesKaj: yes, 173 and 177
[19:11] <BluesKaj> ok pablo , delete nvidia-linux-x86-180.22-pkg1.run
[19:13] <BluesKaj> pablo__, it's the same driver that you are going to install , but we'll use adept to install it so that the proper libs and dependencies are brought into the mix
[19:14] <BluesKaj> pablo__ sometimes the proprietary drivers provided by the mfg aren't properly "cooked" :)
[19:15] <jinzougen> I'm having trouble with keyboard layouts in kubuntu. I want to switch between english/korean layouts. I went into the system settings and added the korean layout and I have an icon that shows what the current layout should be but switching to korean doesn't input korean when I type.
[19:15] <jinzougen> It just defaults to qwerty.
[19:15] <BluesKaj> !scim
[19:16] <jinzougen> I thought SCIM was an alternative input method...
[19:16] <jinzougen> Like, you can type 'ga' to input a korean letter kioek
[19:16] <jinzougen> I just want th ekorean keyboard... is tha part of scim too?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> sry jinzougen, that's all i can help you with...suggest you read the tutorial
[19:17] <jinzougen> k
[19:18] <BluesKaj> jinzougen , I'm sure there are others here who can help tho
[19:19] <BluesKaj> 47F here today ...wonder if it's a sighn of an ealy spring
[19:20] <BluesKaj> oops wrong ch
[19:21] <BluesKaj> quassel237, enjoying the ckient ?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> client
[19:23] <d_ronin> what the name of russian kubuntu-channel? pls
[19:23] <d_ronin> can't find :)
[19:23] <BluesKaj> !ru
[19:23] <d_ronin> !ru
[19:23] <d_ronin> o
[19:23] <d_ronin> great
[19:23] <anilg> hi..  is there any apt repository providing KDE 4.2 packages for ubuntu 8.04 ?
[19:24] <anilg> I'm not looking for something supported.. just somethign that works
[19:24] <anilg> I'm surprized google didnt point me to any such repo.. (neon seems to be for 8.10)
[19:25] <anilg> ping
[19:27] <xNitrixx> d_ronin: are you here??? I am olso from Russia
[19:28] <d_ronin> xNitrixx: i'm on #ubuntu-ru :)  chat with you
[19:28] <d_ronin> xNitrixx: olso = also (-:
[19:47] <kanniball> hi!
[19:47] <kanniball> anybody here with problems with kopete and msn/wlm (kde 4.2)?
[19:48] <martijn81> kanniball: yeah, me
[19:48] <martijn81> it just won't send a message to another client
[19:48] <martijn81> but under jaunty it does work again
[19:48] <kanniball> martijn81: I can't connect :s
[19:49] <martijn81> i can
[19:50] <kanniball> i think I will do a downgrade, and wait for kubuntu packages in backports...
[19:52] <martijn81> kanniball: if you know howto do that.. go your gang
[19:54] <naxa> hi. i have a problem. I've just installed kubuntu 8.10 on an older amd computer.. installer told me something about that language hu or locale hu (cannot remember) or something with these words went wrong and wasn't installed and that he tries to go on. kubuntu was installed in the end but now i get a segmentation fault when trying to run sudo locale-gen when it reaches the hu_HU.UTF-8 (others says up-todate)
[19:54] <martijn81> !kde-effects
[19:54] <naxa> this is bad becouse now it's half english half hungarian... can someone help me
[19:55] <martijn81> !kdeeffecrts
[19:55] <martijn81> !kdeeffects
[19:55] <martijn81> !effects
[19:55] <martijn81> !nvidia
[19:59] <joaquinz> hi everybody! i was wondering if someone could help me please with a mozilla and kde 4.2 trouble
[20:02] <martijn81> just ask
[20:03] <joaquinz> i can't hear any sound in flash videos like youtube
[20:03] <joaquinz> is it a known bug?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> joaquinz , sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:04] <joaquinz> BluesKaj: flashplayer is installed, and work fine, but i've no sound
[20:05] <hharnisc> any suggestions on getting 64 bit flash?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> not flashplayer ,  flashplugin-nonfree
[20:05] <joaquinz> mmm let's try
[20:06] <BluesKaj> and libk3b3-extracodecs, and ffmpeg and libxine1-ffmpeg
[20:06] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | joaquinz
[20:07] <joaquinz> BluesKaj: ive installed all the packages you said but no result
[20:07] <joaquinz> i was using flashplayer non free before anyway... now i've installed those other packages that you mentioned but with no result
[20:08] <BluesKaj> joaquinz, which browser are you using?
[20:08] <joaquinz> BluesKaj: Mozilla Firefox
[20:08] <BluesKaj> 32 or 64 bit OS ?
[20:08] <joaquinz> 32 bit
[20:09] <joaquinz> but with konqueror i've the same problem, video works, sound doesn't
[20:09] <BluesKaj> aha , have you configured alsa mixer ?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> joaquinz , do you have sound otherwise , on amarok for example ?
[20:11] <joaquinz> BluesKaj: yeah amarok works fine... but i can't use it at the same time i use another soft that play sounds like xine... in that case, amarok works fine but xine doesnt for example
[20:12] <joaquinz> i think it could be a sound server problem, but i don't know where to look... i used gnome for a long time and i'm trying to change it for kde 4.2 now and it's difficult to me because there's a lot of things i've to learn again
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[20:15] <BluesKaj> joaquinz , setup alsamixer in the terminal ...your cardmay need some configuring
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> how can I stop kde4.2 showing me what desktop an app is on if i mouse over it
[20:15] <BluesKaj> hi ActionParsnip
[20:16] <joaquinz> mmm ok
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> can anyone advise at all?
[20:22] <solifugus> How can I install C++ compiler and SDL libraries?  That stupid adept thing just lists certain high level applications...
[20:23] <solifugus> even when i enter search terms
[20:23] <martijn81> solifugus: just install build-essential
[20:23] <tsimpson> use Adept manager from under System
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> sudo apt-get install build-essential in terminal
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> no need for gui
[20:26] <solifugus> martijn81: thanks.. I'm compiling now..
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> plus works on systems not running x
[20:26] <martijn81> solifugus: what are you compiling if i may ask?
[20:34] <quassel112> test
[20:40] <Guest75760> hello does anyone know of a program that can record audio from a usb
[20:41] <Guest75760> in kubutnu 8.10
[20:41] <this> hello does anyone know of a program that can record audio from a usb
[20:41] <this> in kubutnu 8.10
[20:42] <charon-at-styx> can you derscribe your problem??
[20:43] <this> i need a program other than audacity that will record audio from a usb device so i can make music
[20:43] <mathojojo> hello
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> this: lmms
[20:43] <mathojojo> i have a question
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> this: apt-cache search record | less
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> !ask | mathojojo
[20:44] <SiVA_> when I right click on knetworkmanager it says "NetworkManager is not running"
[20:44] <mathojojo> do someone knows, if kwin effects can be used with multiscreen display mode
[20:46] <jussi01> mathojojo: yes. I have dual head and desktop effects
[20:48] <mathojojo> ok, Jussi01. I had the effects this morning. But now, i have plub a screen. I had to use catalyst control center to find the 2 screens, and set them to display a wide desktop
[20:48] <mathojojo> plug*
[20:49] <mathojojo> now, my 2 screens work very well, but i can't activate the effects anymore
[20:49] <jussi01> mathojojo: Im not sure about with ati, works with nvidia here.
[20:50] <mathojojo> i get this message : Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options
[20:50] <mathojojo> Check your X configuration.
[20:50] <khalidmian> having issue with vls snapshot i have chosen jpg format saving with sequential numbering but vls doesnt save any snapshots any clue why?
[20:51] <khalidmian> vls=vlc sorry
[20:52] <mathojojo> ok, nobody with dual head on an ATI card?
[20:54] <khalidmian> sorry nvidia user here dont like ati
[20:54] <khalidmian> having issue with vlc snapshot i have chosen jpg format saving with sequential numbering but vlc doesnt save any snapshots any clue why?
[20:55] <mathojojo> ok, but i'm not sure that th ATO card is faulty
[20:55] <mathojojo> ATI (sorry)
[20:56] <mathojojo> can I get a xorg.conf from someone?
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> !dualhead | mathojojo
[21:00] <mathojojo> Thx ubottu, but my dual head works fine. The problem is that i can't activate kwin effects since i get my dual head working
[21:00] <`Alt`> who used qutIM please re:
[21:01] <mathojojo> may be catalyst control center have made some change in my xorg.conf, and i wanted to get a working worg.conf, to compare
[21:01] <`Alt`> что больше некто не юзает qutIM?//
[21:02] <Tm_T> !ru | `Alt`
[21:02] <Tm_T> `Alt`: also read channel topic
[21:02] <khalidmian> also how do i run a ps2cd using ps2 emulator
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> !info ps2cd
[21:06] <this> hello does anyone know of a program that can record audio from a usb
[21:06] <this> other than audacity
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: theres PCSX2 but you will need to dump the BIOS ROMs from your playstation
[21:09] <mihaip> ok can someone help me out here ? i have a few lil' bugs with my distro version
[21:20] <khalidmian> i figured out the vlc problem so incase somebody doesnt know the solution to the snapshots not being saved under ubunut/kubuntu refer them to me
[21:21] <khalidmian> but i still need to know how to use the playstation emulator
[21:28] <solifugus> martijn81: I was just compiling my own code, an information management system... faster and more agile than relational databases..
[21:29] <solifugus> re-installed kubuntu to get to 8.10 and things look a lot different..
[21:30] <martijn81> solifugus: yeah we now have kde 4.2
[21:30] <martijn81> but you need to have to enable experimental repo first for this
[21:30] <martijn81> kde4.2 is much more usable
[21:31] <martijn81> it is the first really usable version there is of kde
[21:31] <martijn81> i go to bed now
[21:31] <martijn81> see you
[21:33] <solifugus> martijn81: I am clearly in kde 4--but my konversation help-about says i'm in kde 3.5.something
[21:33] <HappySmileMan> solifugus: Konversation hasn't yet been ported to KDE4, it still uses KDE3.5 libraries
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> khalidmian: you need the app i said but you need to compile it yourself
[21:34] <solifugus> konqueror says I'm using KDE 4.1.3
[21:34] <solifugus> I just downloaded this install cd and installed a couple days ago.. it's kde 4.1 -- is a 4.2 install cd coming soon?  Or, at update?
[21:35] <HappySmileMan> There's an update available, but you have to add repo yourself, instructions are at kubuntu.org somewhere
[21:35] <HappySmileMan> Don't think there'll be a separate CD for it
[21:35] <solifugus> HappySmileMan: but it includes bug fixes?
[21:35] <HappySmileMan> Yes
[21:35] <solifugus> I'd love to get whatever bug fixes I can..
[21:36] <HappySmileMan> Adding the repo will get you 4.2, and then you'll get bugfix updates for 4.2 every time 4.2.* is released
[21:36] <HappySmileMan> bugfixes for 4.1 are available without even having to add repos (but 4.2 has far less bugs anyway)
[21:38] <LeeJunFan> is kmailservice broken in 4.2 on intrepid?
[21:38] <e-jat> how to make dolphin as default file manager in firefox ?
[21:49] <tyronep> hi i just switch to kde and i wanted to know how to install adove flash for konqueror
[21:50] <tyronep> can anyone help me please?
[21:57] <kanniball> acording to these bugs, kopete need beta4 version of libmsn
[21:57] <kanniball> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176703
[21:57] <kanniball> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181709
[21:57] <kanniball> anybody knows if theres any update planned?
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> kanniball: I've uploaded beta4 to the intrepid ppa just now. It should be there within an hour or two
[22:02] <tyronep> can i get help to install flash for konqueror please
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> tyronep: if you've installed it for firefox it should work in konqueror
[22:04] <tyronep> JontheEchidna: i just installed and youtube is not working
[22:04] <kanniball> JontheEchidna: thanks, I'm having problems with kopete and wlm/msn
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> tyronep: does it say that you don't have flash at youtube?
[22:05] <tyronep> JontheEchidna: yeah it says get the latest flash player
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I don't know what's wrong then
[22:06] <tyronep> JontheEchidna: maybe its the java script do you think thats possible?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[22:10] <tyronep> can i get help get flash working in konqueror please
[22:11] <genii> tyronep: You have konqueror-nsplugins installed?
[22:11]  * phobos_idle is away: Gone away for now
[22:13] <tyronep> genii, yes i do
[22:13] <genii> tyronep: Did you tell konq to scan for new plugins ?
[22:13] <tyronep> genii, no i did not how do i do that?
[22:15] <genii> tyronep: Settings...Configure Konqueror... Plugins(in left pane).. Scan For New Plugins(in right pane)
[22:15] <tyronep> genii, thank you very much
[22:16] <tyronep> genii, how can i find out exactly what version of kde i am using
[22:16] <genii> tyronep: apt-cache policy kdelibs
[22:17] <genii> tyronep: In my case I see a line in there like:  Installed: 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy1               which means version 3.5.10
[22:22] <tyronep> genii: thanks does your facebook work fine or is it different?
[22:22] <genii> tyronep: I'm not on any social networking websites. IRC is enough socializing for me
[22:39]  * genii sips and contemplates gnomestruck thunder freaks
[23:08] <zer0o> hi guys du no if theres any support channel for distro "xandros"?
[23:23] <kavurt> is there any way to see who is from which country in this room?
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> You can look at their hostname
[23:24] <kavurt> how?
[23:25] <Dragnslcr> I know /whois would show it
[23:26] <kavurt> where should I type it?
[23:32] <Shadowkllr> anyone know about the interaction between mysql and apparmor in kubuntu?
[23:47] <ubuntu_Deuk> b
[23:52] <itsatrick> Okay, so I got Red's Innocence and Instict CD today and tried to play it through Linux.  There's no music: only a Click_me.exe executable and a few more data or binary files.  How do I make the music play?  Help?
[23:53] <itsatrick> The Click_me.exe is just a full-screen page with links to web pages.