[00:00] !br | elton [00:00] elton: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [00:01] #ubuntu-be [00:02] elton: eg: /join #ubuntu-br === ami_ is now known as ami [00:15] how do i use 2 internet connections togeather [00:17] dhq: that's not a trivial task... === Rob is now known as Guest42304 [00:18] downhill_: its not possible [00:19] it is, it's just a pain in the ass. [00:19] what I'm saying is, you don't just plug in 2 wires and go. [00:20] It is possible. Look at using ifenslave === Megatherium is now known as Eremotherium [00:21] hi there [00:21] have got a little problem [00:21] i want to install something in wine, an old app [00:22] but for some reason it keeps overwriting my drives setup which results in my memstick ending up as d: [00:22] winehq guys says this is not wine behavior so it must be kubuntu at fault [00:22] how can I disable this behavior=? [00:25] <3 kde4 === steve__ is now known as szakulec [00:30] how can i tell how fast my cd burner is? [00:31] like default highest speed [00:31] open k3b and check what speeds it offers you === vv is now known as Mikee| [00:33] Hello -- I'm a new user and I've just installed 8.10 [00:34] I'm trying to search for packages in Adept, but it doesn't seem to be working. [00:34] If I type in, say, firefox to the search bar and hit enter, nothing comes up. [00:34] Am I missing something? [00:35] Mikee|, open a terminal [00:35] Mikee|, konsole in kde iirc [00:36] Ok [00:36] Mikee|, now type: apt-cache search firefox , or aptitude search firefox [00:37] bazhang: a few dozen packages show up. [00:37] Mikee|, should be a huge list [00:37] Yes. [00:38] Hrm, I wonder why that's not happening in the GUI, though. [00:39] !info firefox-3.0 [00:39] firefox-3.0 (source: firefox-3.0): safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1 (intrepid), package size 865 kB, installed size 3452 kB [00:39] sudo apt-get install (packagename here) [00:40] Aha -- there are several unlabelled toggle switches under the search box. Toggling the right combination of them makes the search work. [00:40] nice [00:40] :) [00:40] dont use adept much [00:40] After a first glance, I don't blame you :) [00:40] synaptic is for gnome but the terminal is nice if you know the package name :) [00:41] Mikee|, in IRC you can /msg ubottu and find stuff fast [00:42] for example /msg ubottu info (packagename) === steve__ is now known as szakulec [00:42] or use the find command if you are not sure [00:42] !find firefox-3 [00:42] Found: firefox-3.0, firefox-3.0-branding, firefox-3.0-dev, firefox-3.0-gnome-support, firefox-3.0-dom-inspector (and 1 others) [00:42] bazhang: Good to know. I was hoping for a more intuitive gui though -- I'm used to gentoo's portage. The user-friendly-ness of adept is a bit troubling. [00:43] then use the info on that [00:43] That's a nice bot :) [00:43] Mikee|, best to just use the konsole/terminal imo :) [00:43] my xrandr support isn't working now- I can't change resolutions without it kicking me out to the login screen [00:43] Mikee|, you can also install synaptic package manager but it will add some gnome libs [00:44] I may just do that -- this is a friend's pc, and I don't think they'll like having to use the terminal that much :) [00:44] Thanks for the help! [00:44] :) [01:00] there somebody here === luis_ is now known as tigremx [01:30] this chan has been dead for 30 min, scary [01:39] kubuntu must be completely trouble-free now [01:39] really? [01:40] no problems reported here :) [01:40] how about the bluetooth? [01:40] stopped me from upgrading to intrepid [01:40] is it fixed now? [01:40] just joking about lack of activity in here [01:41] well i'm really considering trying fedora [01:41] what's wrong with bluetooth that's stopping the upgrade darkenergy? [01:44] i use a pand network to share an internet connection [01:44] tight budget === root is now known as Guest67318 [01:50] darkenergy: is it kbluetooth that is the problem, or is it some underlying problem? [01:51] underlying [01:51] the entire bluez implementation was changed [01:52] i think some issues have been resolved but don't think it's quite there yet [01:52] Does KDE 4.2 support multi-monitor in ways other than cloning your existing screen? [01:53] i would be really surprised if it didn't [01:53] i think that's an X feature [01:54] In 4.1 there was an option in Display Settings to change it, but that option has since disappeared. [01:54] yeah that doesn't have much to do with desktop environments :) [01:54] Yeah, that's the idea... [01:54] the problem is configuration options are not always there [01:54] But chaning your xorg.conf is a hassle with multi-monitor. [01:54] you're telling me. [01:55] * downhill_ points at his shut-off 19" CRT [01:55] * inanimate points at his shut off 17" LCD... [01:55] Which is why 4.2 was so awesome because not only did it do it for you, but it worked magically. [01:55] i don't care for magically [01:55] Except now you can only clone screens. [01:55] can't you do it with amdcccle/nvidia-whatever [01:55] nvidia-settings [01:56] GMA 950... [01:56] * downhill_ shrugs [01:56] the whole reason i chose KDE over GNOME in the first place was configurability [01:56] most settings were central in kcontrol [01:56] No NVIDIA settings over here... It's an integrated Intel. [01:56] Yeah. [01:57] that's only one small part of why I like KDE4 [01:57] er love, really... [01:57] Definitely a small part for me, but not being able to do left of, right of, et cetera, arguably makes multi-monitor for non-presentations useless. [01:57] i should upgrade [01:57] Because seeing my screen twice isn't exactly going to help productivity. [01:58] typos - now in stereo! [01:58] inanimate: those configuration frontends edit the xorg.conf file anyway [01:58] honestly I've yet to see anything match Windows' multi-monitor support. it's awesome. [01:58] downhill_: Heh, exactly! [01:58] if you really want it, do it the old fashioned way [01:59] darkenergy: I suppose... [01:59] I was just curious if there was actually a documented reason why the frontend can't do it. [01:59] Or, rather, can't do it *anymore*. [01:59] (Could in 4.1) [01:59] hmm, can't you install kcontrol from kde3? would that work? [02:00] Hmm... [02:00] Perhaps. [02:00] I don't even know if KDE 3 could even do anything good with multi monitor though. [02:00] it does [02:00] From what I remember it was useless. [02:00] well, if you make sure KDE4's doesn't try applying settings and you avoid opening the Display KCM for it ;) [02:01] er applying settings at log-in* [02:01] It would probably only apply the settings once you apply them in the KCM. [02:02] there's an option for persistence in the KDE4 one [02:02] I wonder if RandR can do it... [02:02] give it a shot [02:02] Persistence? [02:02] yeah, keeping settings across (X server) reboots [02:03] Interesting, where's that? [02:03] it says "Apply these settings at log-in time" or something to that effect. uh *looks* [02:04] well it *did* wtf [02:04] Yeah, I didn't see it. [02:04] they've moved some things around... looking [02:04] they upgraded it on you downhill_ ! [02:06] I can't find it anywhere anymore, inanimate >.< it was there tho, I swear [02:06] So how does it reload the xorg.conf without restarting X? [02:06] it doesn't. KDE stores it's own settings and appl(ied?) them on boot [02:07] Oh... [02:07] Because I'm wondering where the dual montior settings are stored and I want to slightly hack them to potentially position the screen. [02:07] And xorg.conf definitely looks to not be the place... [02:07] it is, unless you use xrandr [02:09] I think KDE is using xrandr. [02:09] intel stuff most probably does [02:09] KDE can, yes [02:09] There's the KDE krandrtray, which mirrors xrandr's output. [02:10] And the KCM module looks to be in sync with xrandr. [02:10] like when I used Windows, I keep that crap outta my tray :p [02:10] mhmm [02:10] Yeah, me too. [02:10] I wanted to see if it could do non-cloning. [02:10] yeah. you prolly need the command-line tool for that. [02:12] Oh, I think I see what the hell is going on. [02:12] So KDE *does* support the feature, but naturally the Intel drivers are sucking. [02:12] And by KDE, I mean KDE's xrandr frontend. [02:12] Xorg? shitty drivers? never. [02:13] Blasphemy. [02:13] :) [02:13] But yeah... [02:13] xrandr --output VGA --left-of LVDS [02:13] xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1400x1400 (desired size 2680x1050) [02:13] hah! [02:13] So that's definitely the drivers bitching. [02:14] I'm gonna plug in my 2nd monitor. $5 says my system hangs. *grabs cable* [02:15] Found a workaround on a blog about basically this exact issue with my hardware setup (ThinkPad T60, et cetera). I guess you lose direct rendering, but I don't really care. [02:16] how's the adhoc wireless networking in intrepid? [02:17] So it looks like KDE knew the feature would fail, so didn't show the option. I suppose that's better than GNOME's implementation (shows the option but it doesn't do anything), but I feel the ideal solution would be to show the option disabled (with possibly an explanation), or even better, implement a hack to get it to work. [02:17] nope, just X.org *surprise* [02:18] One day KDE's frontend (and xrandr) will 1up Windows. [02:18] One day... [02:20] keep saying it. maybe it'll happen. *doesn't hold breath* [02:21] Honestly, if your hardware doesn't suck, I'm pretty sure it basically works at this point. [02:21] don't get me wrong, I love the OS, I love the desktop, but boy do I hate Xorg :p [02:21] Yeah, I hear that. [02:22] inanimate: your second monitor is larger than the first? [02:23] In size but not in resolution... [02:23] try specifying a size then [02:24] What do you mean? [02:24] I have noticed that my university's computer science department uses kubuntu and not ubuntu, why is that? [02:24] hmm, how do I add/remove/edit stuff that is in my favorite menu? [02:25] VioletsPie_: because they chose KDE over Gnome, probably [02:25] VioletsPie_: Because apparently your university is awesome. May I ask what University is that? [02:25] is KDE better? [02:25] VioletsPie_: They probably like KDE better than GNOME. [02:25] Eh... [02:25] i have a friend at a diff university and they use kubuntu as well [02:25] Neither is "better". [02:25] there is no better. there is no best. there is only the right tool for the job [02:25] there's a "linux lab" and they run kubuntu [02:26] pretty cool. you should take some pix and upload 'em to a blog or flickr album or something =D [02:26] That's a lot better than my University which uses Fedora and Gnome... [02:26] obviously using kde makes you smarter [02:26] inanimate: my sympathies [02:26] should i switch? [02:26] VioletsPie_: at home? [02:27] well, it is enough for their purpose, web browsing and programming training. [02:27] im not a comp sci major, just noticed that when i wandered into their "linux lab" [02:27] hello everyone [02:27] I mean with Fedora/GNOME [02:27] Both Gnome and KDE can accomplish the same basic stuff. [02:27] im not a ubuntu expert either i dual boot xp and ubuntu [02:27] KDE defintely "looks cooler" and it also reminded me more of windows [02:27] KDE 4.2 rocks, man. [02:27] VioletsPie_: If you haven't really tried KDE 4.2, I'd highly recommend it. [02:27] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [02:28] that's it? [02:28] That's it. [02:28] eh the clean way is to reinstall with Kubuntu [02:28] what's the potential pitfalls [02:28] Yeah, but that's a lot more work... [02:28] you don't like it and wasted some time. [02:28] If he doesn't have a .kde, then he's a lot better off. [02:28] this is very true [02:28] Unlike me, which spent two days fixing my broken .kde. [02:28] VioletsPie_: the menus in both kde and gnome become a little messy [02:29] ill prob just stick it on my laptop [02:29] I hated KDE 4.1. [02:29] moreso in KDE3 than the search-oriented KDE4 [02:29] when i have a chance [02:29] A lot of broken stuff. [02:29] And things that don't make sense. [02:29] Actually, it was awesome. Because I had a 3.5 .kde, and a 4.0 .kde4, and then when Kubuntu went 100% KDE 4, they changed it back to .kde. So things went insane. [02:29] 4.2 was a huge improvement over 4.1 [02:30] kde 4.2. where is the screensaver setting? screen is going dark after a period of time, i want it to keep going. [02:30] inanimate: good story brah [02:30] (sorry, couldn't resist) [02:30] Heh... [02:30] fdisk looked very, very tempting. [02:30] But I resisted. [02:30] so kde4 fans, does bluetooth WORK? [02:31] hubar_ and VioletsPie_: KDE 4.2 is usuable now. [02:31] Like, very usable. [02:31] the only thing I own bluetooth has it's own analog male end :p [02:31] darkenergy: I think so. [02:31] I can check. [02:31] kbluetooth crashes every time when I wake up from hibernation. [02:31] ubuntu hates my video card [02:31] VioletsPie_: which one? [02:31] inanimate: can you run 'pand' from the command line? [02:31] hubar_: Yes, that happens to me too. [02:31] hey whats the command to upgrade to kubuntu 8.10? [02:31] inanimate: I agree. I am using it now. :) [02:31] nvidia [02:32] I love it. :) [02:32] nvidia what [02:32] inanimate: the 60hz @ 1680x1050 on the 19" CRT is getting annoying now :p [02:32] hubar_: Oh, I thought you said you used KDE 4.1 and hated it so then bailed. [02:32] stupid cloning >.< [02:32] But don't you love watching yourself type twice? [02:33] yeah that is why I upgraded to 4.2. :) [02:33] I don't like watching myself type once. [02:33] will intrepid work with my atheros wireless card? [02:33] downhill_: not sure [02:33] VioletsPie_: in a terminal: lspci | grep VGA [02:33] SkEmO: what laptop? thinkpad? [02:33] darkenergy: It doesn't seem to do much. [02:34] but its there [02:34] hubar_: acer 8040-50 [02:34] 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8300 GS (rev a1) [02:34] I can not imagine what dark days KDE users had to go through from KDE4 (until now). [02:34] darkenergy: What about that other command that searches for Bluetooth devices? (Goes along with rfcomm.) [02:34] hcitool inq [02:34] Yeah. [02:34] inanimate: so um, how do I get the properties (like name, available resolutions, etc) when it's not listing them from the xrander --verbose output? :S [02:35] Oh, actually I was thinking of sdptool. [02:35] SkEmO: hmm, I use thinkpad T61. [02:35] VioletsPie_: what driver version are you using? [02:35] SkEmO: which uses ath driver too. [02:35] that's to browse services on a specific bluetooth device [02:35] downhill_: not sure, X Server or something [02:35] downhill_: Doesn't the KCM tell you? [02:35] SkEmO: But it is buggy and I have to use ndiswrapper. [02:36] VioletsPie_: nah, that's what your driver is *for*. open up nvidia-settings and check ;) [02:36] darkenergy: Inquiry failed.: No such device [02:36] inanimate: when I push "Identify Outputs" it just says both are "default"; only one "connected" device is shown [02:36] 177.82 [02:36] So that's probably not good. [02:36] yep [02:36] VioletsPie_: that's probably why. you need the 180 series driver [02:37] darkenergy: The problem is that generally it crashes after resuming from standby. [02:37] buggy [02:37] VioletsPie_: the package is nvidia-glx-180 [02:37] Yep. [02:37] So before it crashed, it may very well have worked. [02:37] it didn't even work at all in the initial 8.10 release [02:37] downhill_: what's the command? [02:37] kubuntu have webcam software? [02:37] downhill_: [02:37] VioletsPie_: use Synaptic or something :p [02:37] and what software do you recommend [02:37] Does it list your monitors on the left? [02:37] downhill_: sorry im a noob [02:37] hubar_: i tried with madwifi drivers, but it was a failure [02:38] inanimate: no, just the one @ 1680x1050 [02:38] Oh... [02:38] VioletsPie_: don't be sorry, i was once too. it's a lot to get your head around, but once you understand how it works, it's easy. [02:38] Try replugging your monitor. [02:38] inanimate: it's named "default", and when I push "identify", both show up as "default" in the boxes in the middle of the screen. [02:38] inanimate: last time that hung my system :p [02:38] Oh... [02:38] webKam is all google is telling me [02:39] Hold on, pasta is boiling... [02:39] any other idea to try first? [02:39] np [02:39] enjoy o/ [02:39] i need to switch to kubuntu [02:39] this room is cooler and less hectic than #ubuntu [02:39] lol [02:39] =D === zorro is now known as Guest86701 [02:40] do i need to get kernel-source too [02:40] SkEmO: heh. :) Does it stop working after waking up frooom hibernation? [02:40] yeah i do. ok so it says it's going to uninstall 177 [02:40] honestly, VioletsPie_, it's been a while in "driver years" if you will since I've owned anything nvidia. I dunno if they've changed it since I knew last or not :p [02:41] yep [02:41] hubar_: well it never worked, system recognizes the PCI but, it cant be activated [02:41] can't run 2 versions of the same driver at the same time :p [02:41] k [02:41] SkEmO: I strongly suggest you try out ndiswrapper [02:41] It is ridiculously easyto use too. [02:41] so what's the easiest way to switch to kubuntu. ive got GRUB. i really need a clean reinstall? [02:42] downhill: http://uncleham.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/extend-kubuntu-desktop/ [02:42] is there no screensaver in kde4? i can't find it in the System Settings [02:42] hubar_: what is ndiswrapper? [02:42] VioletsPie_: the *cleanest* way is a reinstall. the *easiest* way is installing kubuntu-desktop [02:42] SkEmO: try apt-get install ndiswrapper. [02:42] VioletsPie_: not at all. you can have both gnome and kde, and choose which you want at login [02:42] i see so the only difference is the GUI? [02:42] yeah but they're allergic to each other :p [02:42] VioletsPie_: yeah [02:42] SkEmO: It uses windows binaries for driving your wireless card. [02:42] hubar_: im upgrading to intrepid, if that doesent work i will try ndiswrapper [02:43] :O [02:43] SkEmO: cool, good luck :) [02:43] do i need to reboot for the new driver to work [02:43] brb [02:43] darkenergy: is that your blog? [02:43] wow, i can't believe slashdot is actually down. [02:44] downhill_: no [02:44] well thanks for the link. that's very thorough. [02:44] thanks! :P [02:44] is intrepid going to have 4.2 in official repos? or is it too close to jaunty release for that now? [02:45] mefisto__: it's not gonna happen for 8.10 prolly. [02:46] you can always upgrade to jaunty afterwards. [02:46] I just feel for people who are saying "I"m upgrading to intrepid" and will get 4.1 [02:46] ok, time to give the X server the ol' restart. brb fellas [02:48] Upgradiing in ubuntu family is easy though. [02:50] so i cant get the kde 4.2 unless i install jaunty beta [02:50] hi [02:50] VioletsPie: you can use the kubuntu-experimental repo to upgrade to 4.2 in intrepid [02:51] how to install nvidia geforce 6100/ nforce [02:51] mefisto__: what's the worst case scenario ? [02:52] VioletsPie: judging from problems I've seen people asking about here, clashing dependencies when upgrading some packages, and some people have to reconfigure X for some reason [02:53] !kde4 [02:53] kde4 is KDE 4.1.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3 | 4.2 packages http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 | Support in #kubuntu [02:53] when I say reconfigure X, I mean screenres is lost on first login [02:54] i dont see experimental in synaptic [02:55] VioletsPie: instructions here: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 [02:55] k sorry [02:55] !kde4 | VioletsPie [02:55] VioletsPie: kde4 is KDE 4.1.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3 | 4.2 packages http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 | Support in #kubuntu [02:56] honestly, has anyone installed from the experimental repo and regretted it? [02:56] I did, I regretted that I didn't install it sooner! [02:58] hmm, does anyone know what theme it is for the konsole? http://i43.tinypic.com/sddanq.png [02:59] is there any new package of kopete from latest svn ? [03:00] I know you linked the thing, but do I have to go to 4.1.3 first? I have Ubuntu [03:00] i added the rpeos [03:00] MrInternet: no [03:01] er mefisto__^ [03:01] e-jat: I am using kopete 0.7 [03:01] KDE version 4.2 [03:01] hubar_: default in 4.2? heh [03:01] hubar_: yeah right .. but its has a bugs right ? [03:02] for disconnect from YM [03:02] "A" bug? :) [03:02] im on my way to recompiled it .. [03:02] I dunno, I use MSN mostly. [03:02] but .. if there is a .deb package should be nice :) [03:02] i dont have to recompiled it [03:03] VioletsPie: I'm not sure since I haven't tried this, but I think if you have added the repos, then install kubuntu-desktop, it should grab them from the 4.2 repo and work. anyone see a problem with that thinking? [03:03] no. [03:03] that should work fine [03:04] probably less trouble than an upgrade from 4.1. no dependency probs [03:04] probably, yeah. [03:05] do i want artwork, grub splash images, kmformat, restricted extras [03:05] it didnt check those [03:05] VioletsPie: if you want them, then yes ;) [03:05] kbfx artwork [03:05] eh ill stick with the recommendations for now [03:05] lol [03:06] your grub splash will be blue, with kubuntu logo [03:07] VioletsPie: (this is why a reinstall is *cleaner* tho) [03:07] eh ill give it a shot [03:07] it'll work, don't get me wrong, but you see why I say that now, eh? [03:07] what's kmformat ? [03:07] ill forgive you [03:07] lol? [03:08] i just changed the display to kdm [03:08] from gdm. gnome to k sounded right, lol [03:08] it's installing now [03:08] either will work, but yeah... [03:08] brb again, gonna try radeonhd instead of fglrx >.< [03:08] !how to get nvidia geforce 6100/ nforce [03:08] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:12] hmm what is akonadi? [03:13] all right things are farked, lol [03:13] how to get nvidia geforce 6100/ nforce [03:14] driver [03:15] im just going to clean insteall this bad boy [03:15] install [03:18] well im finally back, tried chown to fix my login, with no avail [03:22]