[00:00] <bernz> FFForever, try using 'fdisk -l /dev/blah' where 'blah' is your Windows-containing HD
[00:00] <bernz> (it might be an 'sdx', like 'sda)
[00:00] <bernz> fdisk -l will list the partitions; from that list, you identify the types, and the first is usually windows' boot
[00:00] <FFForever> not listed =\
[00:01] <FFForever> http://pastebin.com/d7a3db613 its a 30gb partition
[00:22] <FFForver> how do i add windows 7?
[00:22] <FFForver> (2 grub)
[00:22] <|ns|nR8> install windows 7 then do a repair grub
[00:23] <FFForver> this is not working =\, title   Windows-7 root (0,6) chainloader     +1
[00:23] <FFForver> how do i repair grub?
[00:23] <|ns|nR8> boot from ubuntu cd
[00:23] <FFForver> i am in linux?
[00:24] <FFForver> i don't have the ubuntu cd @ hand but i do have my jaunty install open and running =)
[00:24] <|ns|nR8> so you installed windows first ?
[00:24] <|ns|nR8> it should of auto added windows 7 to grub
[00:24] <FFForver> |ns|nR8, nah i already reinstalled grub =)
[00:24] <maxb> FFForver: root (0,6) looks somewhat invalid to me
[00:25] <FFForver> how do i run the automatic grub thingie?
[00:25] <maxb> Which of those NTFS partitions is the one you actually want?
[00:25] <FFForver> partition 6
[00:25] <FFForver> sda6
[00:26] <maxb> That's marked as linux
[00:26] <FFForver> its ntfs windows-7 style?
[00:26] <|ns|nR8> these instructions always work for me http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[00:26] <bernz> FFForver: if the pastebin from before is still valid, your bootable Windows is on /dev/sda3
[00:27] <FFForver> how do you know
[00:27] <FFForver> and yes its still valid
[00:27] <bernz> it's the only partition marked bootable
[00:27] <bernz> (for one)
[00:27] <maxb> Thus, in grub terminology, you should say "root (hd0,2)"
[00:27] <FFForver> its a 30.5gb partition
[00:27] <bernz> and it's an NTFS file system
[00:27] <FFForver> its marked extended =\
[00:27] <bernz> doh!  :-)
[00:28] <bernz> i believe windows is not so good at starting from an ext
[00:28] <FFForver> =P
[00:28] <bernz> you should be able to move its contents to a primary partition, however
[00:28] <maxb> FFForver: huh? Yes, you have an extended partition. No, the Windows partitions aren't in it
[00:28] <bernz> (but it might require some serious juggling with dd)
[00:29] <bernz> erm
[00:29] <FFForver> maxb, it was just empty space and i let windows make the partitions it needed a 203mb and a 30.5gb partition it made
[00:29] <bernz> yeah, actually, looking at the list again, it's /dev/sda2 that's your ext
[00:29] <bernz> and /dev/sda3 isn't "in" that
[00:29] <FFForver> i don't see why i have so many partitions
[00:29] <bernz> (0, 1, 2, 3 are primaries)
[00:29] <bernz> (4+ is extendeds)
[00:29] <maxb> Whoa! dd-ing your fs-es around is *seriously* voodoo, and liable to cause extra problems for windows
[00:30] <FFForver> sda 1 should be /, sda 2 should be swap, sda 3 should be /home the rest are uhh windows?
[00:30] <bernz> maxb's caution is very a propros
[00:30] <bernz> propos even
[00:30] <FFForver> so 1-3 are linux
[00:30] <FFForver> wtf are the other 3?
[00:30] <bernz> sda1, judging by size, is probably boot
[00:31] <bernz> anyway, i gotta make dinner, good luck!  maxb knows what he's talking about
[00:31] <FFForver> would sda4 be windows (i am looking for a 30gb partition)
[00:31] <maxb> FFForver: Please could you run "blkid -g; blkid" as root, and pastebin the output?
[00:32] <FFForver> http://pastebin.com/d3068c7a8
[00:33] <maxb> FFForver: run like that, the sudo only applied to the first command - please "sudo blkid" and see if it reports any more
[00:33] <FFForver> http://pastebin.com/d6ffb1c6d
[00:34] <maxb> Right, so, you have two Linux data partitions, sda1 and sda6
[00:34] <maxb> You have one Linux swapspace partition, sda5
[00:34] <maxb> You have two Windows partitions, sda3 and sda4
[00:35] <maxb> You have one extended partition, sda2, which CONTAINS sda5 and sda6
[00:35] <FFForver> what is an extended partition?
[00:35] <maxb> The basic format of a partition table can contain only 4 partitions
[00:35] <maxb> An extended partition escapes this limit by containing other partitions
[00:36] <FFForver> cool?
[00:36] <maxb> The asterisk in the fdisk -l output shows sda3 is marked as bootable. In grub terminology this is (hd0,2)
[00:37] <maxb> Grub numbers the partitions starting at zero, hence 2, not 3
[00:38] <FFForver> title Windows-7 root (hd0, 2) chainloader +1
[00:38] <FFForver> like that?
[00:38] <maxb> there must not be a space inside the root specification
[00:38] <FFForver> so root(hd0,2)
[00:38] <FFForver> or root (hd0,2)
[00:39] <maxb> the last one
[00:40] <FFForver> kk
[00:40] <FFForver> here goes nothing =P
[00:40] <FFForver> brb
[01:47] <|newbie|> i have installed jaunty + kde 4.2, when i try to enter in KDE stop on background
[01:47] <|newbie|> i have nvidia 180
[01:50] <|newbie|> anyidea
[01:50] <|newbie|> plz help me
[01:57] <|newbie|> does anybody here....help me
[01:59] <bernz> you probably already know this, but you should be able to switch to a text terminal with ALT+Fx (1..4 or whatever)
[01:59] <bernz> and from there, of course, you can diagnose all sorts of crap
[02:00] <bernz> as for the problems you might be having, use the simplest video driver possible (vesa or something like that) and go for a low, safe resolution like 640x480/800x600/1024x768
[02:00] <bernz> but surely the best place to start digging is in a log of some sort (sorry, can't say off the top of my head where that log would be or what it would be called)
[02:02] <bernz> sorry if my suggestions are too generic, but i'm not familiar with 'nvidia 180'
[02:02] <andersk> |newbie|: bug 326344
[02:03] <andersk> This is fixed; you will just need to wait for the update to propogate to your mirror, and run an upgrade.
[02:04] <|newbie|> andersk: but effects are disable
[02:06] <|newbie|> andersk: and i don't use compiz
[02:07] <andersk> It happens with any compositing window manager.  kwin is one, possibly even if effects are disabled.
[02:07] <bernz> (note: my suggestion of ALT+Fx should instead be CTRL-ALT-Fx)
[02:08] <andersk> Try installing the xserver-xorg-core update; it is available on archive.ubuntu.com now.  Then, if you still see the problem after restarting X, you'll know it is a different bug.
[02:09] <andersk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.5.99.902-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:09] <andersk> Er, oops, wrong version!
[02:09] <andersk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.5.99.902-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[02:10] <brucealdridge> is anyone there?
[02:18] <hggdh> just about 161 people, yes
[02:21] <bernz> i think you mean "is anyone at their keyboards?" :-)
[02:42] <woody86> does anyone know why when conky starts automatically on start-up, it disappears after a second or two but keeps running behind the desktop?
[02:42] <woody86> I didn't have this problem with 8.10
[02:59] <wd4lko> ctl+alt+1 - 6 has weird looking text like binary or signs, anybody else have that ?
[03:00] <wd4lko> meant ctrl alt F1-F6
[03:14] <burner> anyone know why my twinview b0rked on an nvidia card using 180 in the past week or two?
[03:14] <burner> It just says it can't display anything on my second monitor
[03:16] <diginux> how do i disable ipv6 in jaunty?
[03:18] <IntuitiveNipple> diginux: did you see my reply in the previous channel?
[03:19] <burner> i don't think ip6 is enabled by default
[03:20] <burner> my network manager only shows ipv4 and if i do an ifconfig, i only see v4 addresses
[03:21] <IntuitiveNipple> IPV6 is enabled by default.
[03:21] <IntuitiveNipple> To disable it, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
[03:27] <diginux> IntuitiveNipple: wont that info be lost when i reboot?
[03:30] <diginux> IntuitiveNipple: root@heisenberg:/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all# touch disable_ipv6
[03:30] <diginux> touch: cannot touch `disable_ipv6': No such file or directory
[03:30] <diginux> root@heisenberg:/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all# echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
[03:30] <diginux> bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6: No such file or directory
[03:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Check the parent directories... see what's there
[03:33] <burner> sudo
[03:33] <diginux> burner: was root
[03:34] <diginux> IntuitiveNipple: root@heisenberg:/proc/sys/net/ipv6# find . -name disable*
[03:34] <diginux> IntuitiveNipple: returns nothing
[03:35] <IntuitiveNipple> strange
[03:37] <diginux> IntuitiveNipple: any other ideas?
[03:38] <brucealdridge> I think everyone is dead
[03:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, if the pwd is the ipv6 directory, there's some ipv6 there
[03:42] <diginux> yes, i need to disable it
[03:42] <diginux> can i put something in grub?
[04:16] <burner> is there a way other than ifconfig or network manager to see if ipv6 is actually running?
[04:19] <Amaranth> burner: ping ::1?
[04:19] <burner> ping: unknown host ::1
[04:20] <burner> ok, i don't need to disable it, i don't even use it?  or... I should disable because I don't even use it?
[04:20] <histo> It doesn't matter
[04:21] <histo> only .45% of the online people in the us are using it anyways
[04:21] <burner> for sure... I'd be l33t and cool if I did though right?  I doubt my netgear can kick up ipv6 dhcp though :\
[04:26] <Amaranth> burner: IPv6 slows down DNS requests
[04:29] <burner> I've had horror stories of ipv6 on Vista causing all kinds of network slowdown
[04:29]  * burner has nightmares about Vista sometimes
[04:41] <leftyfb> anyone know if compiz 0.8 will be included in 9.04?
[04:47] <spr0k3t> no clue on that one... sorry
[05:26] <SwedeMike> 2.6.28-7 has a graphics regression, so if you have intel gm4500 graphics you might want to wait. 2.6.28-6 works though.
[05:26] <SwedeMike> I have opened a launchpad bug.
[05:47] <dfgas> what is the command to start the installer program?
[06:16] <Amaranth> wow, serious io problems
[06:16] <Amaranth> heavy IO == desktop completely freezes
[06:43] <FFForever> how do i play mkv files?, the default movie player is laggy =\
[06:44] <FFForever> and vlc shows no video =(
[06:48] <FFForever> anyone know a ppa for 9.04 with vlc beta =P
[06:56] <Peddy> I'm running Alpha 4 with all the latest updates, and suspend does not work for me. pm-suspend does not return anything (it just exits), and clicking 'suspend' in Gnome does nothing. Is there a known workaround, or a bug report, or a known reason why it isn't working? Thanks.
[06:57] <SwedeMike> FFForever: 9.04 seems to have graphics performance issues, at least on my intel 4500 gfx card
[06:57] <SwedeMike> 8.10 did not exhibit these problems
[06:57] <Amaranth> SwedeMike: enable UXA
[06:58] <SwedeMike> Amaranth: add "AccelMethod UXA" to xorg.conf and that's it?
[06:58] <Amaranth> Option "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[06:58] <SwedeMike> will do that when I come home.
[06:59] <SwedeMike> thanks for the pointer
[06:59] <Amaranth> that'll get you performance improvements and redirected direct rendering (3D working great with compiz)
[07:00] <FFForever> works fine 4 me on other video formats =P
[07:00] <FFForever> ill give mplayer a shot in a moment =)
[07:01] <FFForever> mplayer: Depends: libx264-59 (>= 1:0.svn20080408) but it is not installable
[07:01] <maco> SwedeMike: well its being tested in jaunty
[07:01] <FFForever> i cant install mplayer....
[07:01] <maco> SwedeMike: theyre looking for feedback at wiki.ubuntu.com/X/UxaTesting
[07:02] <Peddy> My problem above also occurs in Hibernate.
[07:03] <SwedeMike> maco: I'll do that as well!
[07:03] <SwedeMike> Peddy: what hardware is this?
[07:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[07:04] <Peddy> SwedeMike, Nvidia 8800 with nvidia-glx-173 (180 doesn't work either), both suspend and hibernate worked out-of-the box in Intrepid. Do you want to know any other h/w specs?
[07:05] <DanaG> Happens with Intrepid.
[07:05]  * DanaG joins #ubuntu, too.
[07:06] <SwedeMike> Peddy: ah, I thought it was a laptop, sorry, I don't have any experience with desktops in that aspect.
[07:06] <Peddy> SwedeMike, no problem. I found something obscure, and it looks like the bug's only affecting 64-bit.
[07:07] <maco> Peddy: check for bios updates
[07:07] <Peddy> maco, for the video card or motherboard?
[07:07] <maco> mobo
[07:08] <maco> mobo bios bugs can cause weird things, and 32v64 hardware incompatibility falls into that category
[07:08] <Peddy> maco, my mobo BIOS rev is the latest :/
[07:10] <Peddy> the suspend 'quirk-checker' says nvidia binary driver is unsupported, but it's always worked in previous releases. Also, when I use nv instead of nvidia, it still fails.
[07:13] <Peddy> Yep, 'nv' definitely doesn't work either.
[07:16] <maco> also possible for there to be a bios bug that hasnt been fixed by the bios vendor yet
[07:17] <maco> for ex, there's a bug where certain machines reboot during booting on 64bit if there's exactly 4gb of memory.
[07:17] <maco> for *some* affected machines, there's a new bios. the others are SOL
[07:18] <Alexia_Death> SOL?
[07:19] <DanaG> **** out of luck.
[07:19] <DanaG> asterisks are me typing asterisks.  =P
[07:59] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[07:59] <DanaG> argh.
[08:01] <DanaG> Should I mark that confirmed?
[08:35] <c_korn> hello. why is there no current daily image? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[10:36] <Oli``> firefox intermittently locking up for anyone else at the moment?
[10:59] <robin0800> Oli``: No
[11:59] <thehook> is it possible to dist-upgrade to jaunty? or do I have to make a fresh install?
[12:02] <ikonia> thehook: you can upgrade
[12:02] <ikonia> !upgrade
[12:04] <thehook> ikonia: thanks :)
[12:04] <thehook> and then I get alpha4 or nightly build?
[12:05] <ikonia> alpha4
[12:06] <thehook> ikonia: on the upgrade page it says no
[12:07] <thehook> well not exactly no, but don't mention it
[12:07] <ikonia> thehook: where (sorry not got it open)
[12:07] <ikonia> thehook: because that update site is for "stable" release details
[12:07] <thehook> ok, ill try anyway ;)
[12:09] <thehook> but how do I force it to upgrade when it tells me "No new release found" ?
[12:10] <thehook> aah :) -d
[12:11] <kuaera> Oou, another update to the fglrx driver! I wonder if it works yet.
[12:16] <thehook> how is it with the nvidia driver and the new xserver in jaunty now?
[12:16] <BUGabundo> thehook: if you mean if it is broken: YES
[12:16] <BUGabundo> lol
[12:17] <thehook> BUGabundo: hehe, thats what I meant :P
[12:17] <Sebastian> Since yesterday I only get a blank screen after boot and Xorg eats 100% CPU.
[12:18] <Sebastian> Intel chip with Intel driver.
[12:18] <thehook> Sebastian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/304871
[12:19] <thehook> Sebastian: Users of Intel i845 or i865 video chipsets are unable to load X, getting an error message of "Fatal server error: Couldn't bind memory for BO front buffer". Users on these systems are advised to wait for a resolution to this bug before upgrading.
[12:19] <Sebastian> How can I downgrade?
[12:21] <BUGabundo> Sebastian: open synaptic look for that package
[12:21] <BUGabundo> ctrl+e and choose older version
[12:22] <BUGabundo> if you still have it on cache
[12:22] <ali1234> i'm getting the same thing, it isn't that bug but another
[12:22] <ali1234> yesterday X was working fine with latest packages, today - black screen
[12:23] <ali1234> X is loading, i hear the startup sound - but no display
[12:23] <ali1234> i found that if i select recovery mode, then "resume boot" (without actually doing anything) then X works
[12:24] <thehook> BUGabundo: how can he open synaptic without X? :P
[12:25] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[12:25] <ali1234> this with i945 chipset btw
[12:25] <BUGabundo> you can use apt
[12:25] <thehook> hehe
[12:25] <BUGabundo> but I don't know the exact sintax
[12:25] <thehook> me neither..
[12:25] <BUGabundo> you have to use --force and the name and version of the package
[12:25] <BUGabundo> maybe maco knows? ping
[12:26] <thehook> i can do a quick check if not :)
[12:26] <BUGabundo> cwillu is sleeping too
[12:26] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-devel
[12:26] <BUGabundo> or even on  #ubuntu
[12:27] <thehook> quick read here http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/113053-apt-get-older-versions-applications.html
[12:28] <thehook> should help you with the syntax at least
[12:28] <BUGabundo> me? you are the one who needs it
[12:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:29] <thehook> BUGabundo: no not you, Sebastian :p
[12:30] <BUGabundo> oops
[12:31] <Sebastian> thehook: I was more wondering which package to downgrade. Because it does not seem to be xserver-xorg-video-intel. I just got a new version of that package and still have the same issue.
[12:34] <thehook> Sebastian: I guess their testing it out, try to get a even older version of that
[12:34] <thehook> BUGabundo1: you're using nvidia graphics?
[12:34] <BUGabundo1> y
[12:35] <thehook> BUGabundo1: how bad is it? I'm arguing with my self about trying alpha4 on my laptop :P
[12:37] <BUGabundo1> thehook: you can try the livecd
[12:37] <BUGabundo1> but wait a few more days until the bug is fixed
[12:37] <BUGabundo1> using NV suck
[12:37] <BUGabundo1> SUCKS big time
[12:37] <BUGabundo1> video is CPU intensive, screen flickrs
[12:37] <BUGabundo1> stuff like that
[12:38] <thehook> I just nuoght a new laptop with geforce 9600 gt
[12:39] <thehook> BUGabundo1: no matter what or? cause that is exactly why i bought a new laptop with 512mb dedicated ddr3 on graphics
[12:39] <ali1234> Sebastian: try booting in recovery mode then selecting the first option from the menu (resume booting)
[12:49] <oCean_> hi, is there somewhere one can confirm successful installation (i.e. hardware/components used etc)?
[12:51] <dns> system > administration > hardware testing ?
[12:54] <oCean_> I mean somewhere to share I just installed alpha4.. Network works, (after minor fix) - sound works, etc. Others might be interested?
[12:55] <dns> post the info on the wiki perhaps
[12:55] <bardyr> Hey, i have a problem with network-manager not managing my lan interface, how can i tell it to manage eth0?
[12:56] <oCean_> dns: something like that indeed. I just wondered if there is an appropriate place to do so
[12:56] <dns> bardyr i believe nework manager does not touch any interfaces that have been configured with the /etc/network/interfaces config file, if you want network manager to manage your card remove it from that file
[12:58] <dns> oCean_ i have no idea myself, but if it is a popular off the shelf piece of hardware it may be useful to have a page on the wiki and your hardware submitted to the hardware database
[13:01] <oCean_> dns: I agree. Would be a useful database I guess. Just to specify the machine (laptop in this case) it's main components/chipsets (sound,video,wlan) and whether is worked out of the box, or (if fixed) what the fix was
[13:04] <mrp> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha4
[13:04] <mrp> oops
[13:04] <dns> oCean_ that's what the wizard does, i think there where some brainstorm ideas of intergrating the hardware db closely with launchpad so you could submit your hardware and file bugs against what doesn't work
[13:04] <mrp> is there a way to use the alternate cd to install without a network?
[13:05] <dns> yes, it will install a basic system like the live cd, it just does it by installing the debs instead of copying the cd itself
[13:06] <dns> it is only that if you have the network you can also apply updates on the fly
[13:06] <mrp> every time and i run "Selec and install software" it fails
[13:06] <mrp> is there a log i can look at
[13:07] <dns> /var/log/installer  or it may be /target/var/log/installer
[13:10] <mrp> hrmmm
[13:11] <mrp> ill try alpha 4 tomorrow
[13:12] <dns> don't try it on your main/production machine unless you know how to fix it
[13:25] <BonezAU> i just pulled out an old IBM T40 from the cupboard and installed Jaunty Alpha 4 on it. Can't get the IBM trackpad to work... anyone experienced this? Google and launchpad make no mention of it
[13:25] <BonezAU> Touchpad always has worked in previous versions of ubuntu
[13:34] <vbgunz> It feels like right when performance was great, its starting to take a nose dive
[13:35] <vbgunz> in regards to nvidia and compositing in jaunty on twinview...
[13:38] <vbgunz> in 8.10, I had a GeForce 5600 (256MB, AGP 4x) and twinview felt great. In Jaunty, using a 7900GTX,7950GX2 (2x512MB, PCI-E 16x) it feels choppy. prior I had a single core 2.6GHz. Now I have a Quad 2.6GHz processor. why does compositing feel worse in a sense now on twinview?
[13:40] <idorock89> hi
[13:45] <mrp> BonezAU: check the release notes under known issues
[13:46] <mrp> vbgunz: in jaunty they have upgraded X server but they say it will take while for drivers to catch up
[13:47] <mrp> vbgunz: "The latest X.Org server, version 1.6, is available in Jaunty. In the short term, this will again cause increased instability for some users while the proprietary video drivers catch up. "
[13:53] <vbgunz> its not unbearable. its just really wierd how such an improved system feels about 10% of a 100% working system with far less power, etc.I hope I this doesn't stay like this
[13:54] <Pici> Thats how alphas are.  They are a work in process.
[13:55] <jron> anyone here of people losing their close, minimize, and maximize buttons after updating?
[13:55] <jron> just installed 70 or so packages and now my buttons are gone... but they still work if i guess where they are heheh
[13:55] <jron> tried changing the theme and it is still the same way
[13:56] <kristjan> I couldn't resist installing Jaunty - is it safe to install nvidia as of today with all updates?
[13:56] <kristjan> jron, what gtk style?
[13:56]  * surfaz is away: Estoy comiendo, escribir mi nombre para que el Xchat me avise
[13:57] <vbgunz> kristjan: if you can bear a performance hit, other than that, they seem stable so far. try them and tell me if you experience a hit in your performance
[13:58] <kristjan> vbgunz, well with nv I can't play even medium sized video well
[13:58] <wd4lko> Ctrl Alt F1-F6 has weird looking text like binary or signs, anybody else have that ? The screen looks like its moved to the left !
[13:58] <kristjan> wd4lko, same here - try booting without  'splash'
[13:59] <jron> kristjan: all of them are not working
[13:59] <wd4lko> kristjan: take splash out of grub ?
[14:00] <Pici> jron: Is compiz enabled? Have you tried disabling it?
[14:00] <kristjan> wd4lko, yes.
[14:00] <wd4lko> ok THANKS ill try it
[14:02] <jron> Pici: lol, it was enabled. I feel like an idiot. =)
[14:02] <kristjan> does totem crash for anybody today?
[14:02] <jron> thank you for the help; i didn't know that was default now
[14:20] <bardyr> Hey, i keep getting no space left on device errors is this a known error?
[14:23] <billybigrigger> anyone having a problem on the server install not being able to select anything??? i boot the .iso, then select install ubuntu server, then i get to the screen where i select my language and i cant do anything...no up or down, and cant select english, but the keyboard works on the screen before it where i select install, boot first hard disk, or check the cd??? nothing on google about this...
[14:41] <mvo> apt transition in jaunty in progress, please be a bit careful with the upgrades just now
[14:46] <Pici> mvo: Thanks for the heads up
[14:57] <jpedroza> Good morning, Can anyone tell me the status of getting nvidia-glx-180 working under Jaunty?
[14:57] <bardyr> jpedroza, its working
[14:57] <kristjan_> vbgunz, nvidia drivers seem to be fine (but I haven't tested compiz or anything 3d cause I hate effects)
[14:58] <jpedroza> bardyr: So I can install nvidia-glx-180 without it removing my X server?
[14:58] <bardyr> yea
[14:58] <billybigrigger> anyone having a problem on the server install not being able to select anything??? i boot the .iso, then select install ubuntu server, then i get to the screen where i select my language and i cant do anything...no up or down, and cant select english, but the keyboard works on the screen before it where i select install, boot first hard disk, or check the cd??? nothing on google about this...
[14:58] <bardyr> jpedroza, you have been able to do that for a while now
[14:58] <vbgunz> you dont have to enable any kind of special effects. if your system can handle it, you should feel an immediate performance boost from just picking opengl over anything else you may get natively
[14:59] <jpedroza> bardyr: When I run sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 I still get the message that all my xorg packages will be removed.
[14:59] <bardyr> jpedroza, sudo apt-get update ?
[14:59] <jpedroza> bardyr: done
[15:00] <jpedroza> bardyr: and upgrade as well
[15:00] <jpedroza> bardyr: sO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE CURRENT
[15:00] <jpedroza> Sorry, caps lock
[15:00] <gnomefreak> wait for updated nvidia packages
[15:01] <diginux> how do i disable ipv6 in jaunty?
[15:01] <bardyr> gnomefreak, i have been able to install nvidia-glx-180 without any problems
[15:01] <jpedroza> I have installed the binary drivers from nvidia's site and set IgnoraABI in my xorg.conf file, but I am getting an X freeze when I try and launch any apps.
[15:02] <diginux> and why would anyone ever build ipv6 into the kernel instead of having it as a module like it was before?
[15:02] <bardyr> jpedroza, use the 180.27 driver it supports the new x server
[15:02] <jpedroza> bardyr: Do I still need to set IgnoreABI?
[15:02] <bardyr> jpedroza, no
[15:03] <jpedroza> bardyr: I installed 180.27 and that is what started the freeze issue.
[15:03] <bardyr> jpedroza, what gfx card do you have?
[15:03] <jpedroza> bardyr: 8600M
[15:03] <bardyr> jpedroza, weird 180.27 has been the best driver for my 7.6k go card ever
[15:04] <BUGabundo> diginux: to improve speed, MOST modules are getting into the kernel
[15:05] <jpedroza> bardyr: Did you install from nvidia script or apt?
[15:05] <diginux> BUGabundo: but like 1% of the population probably uses ipv6 ?
[15:05] <diginux> BUGabundo: and there should at least be a simple way to disable it
[15:08] <jpedroza> diginux: IF I remember correctly, you can disable IPv6 in the config scripts for the interface
[15:09] <diginux> jpedroza: any idea where to look? i have tried everything, asked here, on #ubuntu, on forums, googled, etc.
[15:09] <Pici> !ipv6
[15:09] <diginux> ubottu: that doesnt talk about jaunty, that article assumes ipv6 is a module, not built in like it is now
[15:10] <diginux> ughh
[15:10] <diginux> Pici: ^^
[15:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:10] <diginux> i need to talk to an intelligent person and not a bot
[15:10] <jpedroza> diginux: Look in /etc/sysconfig/netwrok-scripts
[15:10] <BUGabundo> diginux: even if just 1% uses it, in the future more and more will use it
[15:11] <BUGabundo> if some user in two years gets his hands on a Jaunty CD, why shouldn't he have ipv6
[15:11] <BUGabundo> ?
[15:11] <BUGabundo> and what do you have against it ?
[15:11] <diginux> BUGabundo: it broke my system, that's what :)
[15:11] <Pici> How so?
[15:11] <diginux> Pici: dns won't work because my isp's dns doesn't support ipv6
[15:12] <BUGabundo> diginux: file a bug then
[15:13] <BUGabundo> it *should* work
[15:13] <BUGabundo> actually there's alredy a bug opened for that
[15:13] <diginux> BUGabundo: im not sure its a bug, but rather my isp not playing nicely
[15:13] <Pici> ipv6 being enabled shouldn't break anything if your isp doesn't support it.
[15:13] <BUGabundo> pici but it does
[15:13] <BUGabundo> there have been _several_ users reporting so
[15:13] <bardyr> jpedroza, apt
[15:13] <diginux> Pici: well if i change to a diff dns server that supports ipv6, everything works, if i use my usual dns but do something like wget -4, or change firefox to use ipv4 then everything works too
[15:14] <BUGabundo> I think its more routers then ISPs
[15:14] <BUGabundo> but still
[15:14] <diginux> BUGabundo: disagree, my testing would say otherwise
[15:14] <BUGabundo> okay
[15:14] <BUGabundo> comment that on the bug then
[15:14] <diginux> i will, do you have a link?>
[15:15] <BUGabundo> google ?
[15:15] <diginux> ive actually found another major bug, kernel 2.6.28-7-generic does not work with encrypted filesystems, when it boots it just sits there and doesnt give a password prompt
[15:15] <BUGabundo> http://www.google.com/search?q=bugs+launchpad+ipv6&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[15:15] <diginux> BUGabundo: ok ill google, you made it sound like you had it handy :)
[15:15] <BUGabundo> bug 155393
[15:16] <BUGabundo> bug 313218
[15:16] <BUGabundo> bug 291085
[15:16] <BUGabundo> bug 313218 jaunty
[15:16] <BUGabundo> its even nominated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+nominations
[15:18] <jpedroza> bardyr: Looks like whatever update happened to xorg this morning (on my machine anyway) has fixed the issue I was having. kde is working great now,a nd apps will launch. This is with nvidia 180.27 and IgnoreABI switched off.
[15:19] <bardyr> jpedroza, their was a problem with xorg/compiz and the nvidia driver that got fixed with todays updates
[15:22] <BUGabundo> looking for an app that allow me to broadcast my desktop! suggestions?
[15:23] <nicomen> libcaca + twitter?
[15:23] <genii> BUGabundo: I have a friend who just points his webcam at the monitor, then streams that
[15:24] <BUGabundo> @genii cool idea! but not what my friend is looking for
[15:25] <jpedroza> bardyr: Looks like that was my prob, cause once again it is rock solid. :)
[15:25] <bardyr> BUGabundo, VLC
[15:26] <DanaG> Woah, 118 updates.
[15:34] <billybigrigger> anyone having a problem on the server install not being able to select anything??? i boot the .iso, then select install ubuntu server, then i get to the screen where i select my language and i cant do anything...no up or down, and cant select english, but the keyboard works on the screen before it where i select install, boot first hard disk, or check the cd??? nothing on google about this...
[15:34] <DanaG> yay, fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/291543
[15:42] <UncleG> anyone familiar with pbm2g3?
[15:47] <genii> UncleG: I've used some of these converters before when I had mgetty-sendfax on a dedicated box as a fax gateway
[15:47] <UncleG> awesome
[15:48] <UncleG> well, my problem being when I convert to g3 and send the faxes come out 1/3 the normal size
[15:48] <genii> UncleG: Work needs me. I'll be back in 3-5 minutes
[15:49] <UncleG> ty
[15:49] <UncleG> ill wait
[15:54] <genii> UncleG: There aren't many options for sizing in that app, unfortunately. They have a width option -w    which you could try
[15:54] <UncleG> the only one I can use is 1728
[15:54] <genii> UncleG: Setting to 0 will try to use the original page width
[15:55] <UncleG> otherwise sendfax will not work
[15:55] <genii> Ah, sendfax then
[15:55] <UncleG> I tried that too
[15:55] <UncleG> still no luck
[15:55] <gnomefreak> bardyr: with last nvidia-common might have messed it up. i was able to install 173 a few weeks ago i havent tried since
[15:55] <BUGabundo> bardyr: does VLC capture desktop???
[15:56] <BUGabundo> diginux: I see you comment on the bug
[15:57] <genii> UncleG: sendfax knows about regular tiff files and will try on-the-fly conversion to g2/g3
[15:57] <genii> (g2/g3 is just actually a tiff file really)
[15:57] <UncleG> ohh
[15:57] <UncleG> I see.
[15:58] <UncleG> How would I know what width to make it
[15:58] <UncleG> is the 1728 pixels?
[16:00] <genii> UncleG: 1728 is what sendfax can send when it is piped to it. If you send directly a tiff to sendfax it tries on-the-fly to resize it to what it can use
[16:00] <UncleGemc> i see
[16:00] <genii> UncleG: You could use convert or pnmtotiff and experiment with resizing
[16:01] <UncleGemc> I will attempt it, my only problem is that I can't actually see what it looks like since the fax machine is in town and im at home.
[16:01] <UncleGemc> unless you have a fax machine and live in the US :P
[16:09] <UncleGemc> file may be 'tiffg3' - TIFF file format is *not* supported!
[16:09] <UncleGemc>          Thus, fax transmission will most propably fail
[16:24] <DrHalan> have there been any news about the new notification system that may go into jaunty?
[16:25] <BUGabundo> DrHalan: yeah
[16:25] <BUGabundo> I've seen some ballons behaving diferently
[16:25] <BUGabundo> and asac is working hard on Firefox lib
[16:25] <BUGabundo> welcome maco
[16:30] <DrHalan> hm i can choose between two themes but tehy dont behave like the proposal..
[16:31] <zdobersek> Using Belkin Wireless USB adapter and Thomson router with SpeedTouch, I cannot open pages in Firefox or get Weather Report updated. I can, however, browse speedtouch.lan and change router's settings. NetworkManager is also connectedto the wireless network and receiving satisfying signal strength.
[16:31] <zdobersek> I've noticed some recent changes browsing jaunty-changes archive that mention SpeedTouch. Is this the reason for this issue? In Intrepid, everything works fine, of course.
[16:34] <UncleGemc> genii: can you pm me?
[16:34] <UncleGemc> does anyone in here live in the USA and are willing to accept a fax from me and tell me if it sent correctly?
[16:38] <UncleGemc> does anyone in here live in the USA and are willing to accept a fax from me and tell me if it sent correctly?
[16:39] <billybigrigger> anyone having a problem on the server install not being able to select anything??? i boot the .iso, then select install ubuntu server, then i get to the screen where i select my language and i cant do anything...no up or down, and cant select english, but the keyboard works on the screen before it where i select install, boot first hard disk, or check the cd??? nothing on google about this...
[16:39] <UncleGemc> sorry~ wrong room
[16:41] <FFForever> Sup people?
[16:41] <FFForever> does anyone have a ppa for jaunty with the latest ffmpeg and vlc?
[16:53] <FFForever> yo DanaG u around?
[16:54] <FFForever> mplayer: Depends: libx264-59 (>= 1:0.svn20080408) but it is not installable E: Broken packages
[16:54] <DanaG> Oh yyyyyyyyyyyyyeah,
[16:54] <zniavre> bug 326098
[16:54] <DanaG> sorry, my keyboard is feeling a bit squishy, so I was trying to hold down a key to fix it.
[16:55] <FFForever> DanaG, can i ignore the x264 dependency for now?
[16:56] <DrHalan> hm...engimail is only avaible for thunderbird2? :(
[16:56] <DanaG> Beats me -- I haven't dealt with those packages.
[16:56] <gnomefreak> FFForever: libx264-59 is already the newest version. is mine
[16:56] <FFForever> gnomefreak, i just want player =)
[16:56] <FFForever> mplayer*
[16:56] <DanaG> I'm not an official Ubuntu dev; I'm just a savvy user.
[16:56] <FFForever> i upgraded from 8.10 though
[16:57] <gnomefreak> FFForever: in jaunty mplayer installs fine
[16:57] <zniavre> FFForever: i installed this lib found in ubuntu-packages for intrepid and it works quite well
[16:57] <FFForever> zniavre, wanna email me da package =)
[16:58] <FFForever> gnomefreak, i think its because i upgraded from an 8.10 install....
[16:58] <FFForever> could it be my repo?
[16:58] <zniavre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/intrepid/i386/libx264-59/download
[16:59] <gnomefreak> intrepid is in #ubuntu please
[16:59] <gnomefreak> FFForever: this is upgrade as well
[16:59] <zniavre> just for this libs im sorry
[16:59] <zniavre> a kind of workaround   :o)
[17:01] <FFForever> do u guys happen 2 know a ppa with vlc 0.9.9 or higher? (for jaunty)
[17:01] <FFForever> zniavre, nice =)
[17:01] <zniavre> great
[17:02] <FFForever> =(
[17:02] <FFForever> Opening video decoder: [realvid] RealVideo decoder
[17:02] <FFForever> Error: /usr/lib/codecs/drvc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:02] <mahfiaz> I'm getting empty window manager bars with compiz on  nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M, is this known problem?
[17:03] <FFForever> i gave up with compiz =P
[17:03] <mahfiaz> :)
[17:04] <ali1234> does anybody else have the problem that the gnome shut down and log out screens are not themed the same as the rest of gnome? they have the default buttons, fonts, and icons
[17:05] <mahfiaz> are these driver or compiz problems?
[17:05] <ali1234> mahfiaz: i'm getting the same thing with today's compiz update and intel graphics
[17:05] <kristjan_> ali1234, not really - after all it's alpha.
[17:06] <ali1234> kristjan_: not really what?
[17:06] <mahfiaz> kristjan, selge see, et alfa, aga tore ju oleks, kui miskit töötaks
[17:06] <kristjan_> ali1234, " does anybody else have the problem that the gnome shut down and log out screens are not themed the same as the rest of gnome?"
[17:07] <henke> anybody else having problems with dbus-daemon along with a few other processes sucking up 100% cpu?
[17:07] <kristjan_> Ymahfiaz,
[17:08] <mahfiaz> henke, I have gnome-thumbnail-font eating CPU every time it is started, but nothing else
[17:11] <henke> mahfiaz: that's not it.. my dbus-daemon is stuck doing something, and I think it drags other processes with it
[17:11] <unixdawg> ok few apps not working : myth mplayer kmplayer
[17:14] <henke> also my gvfsd leaks memory so after some day it takes over 3 gb
[17:14] <mahfiaz> that sounds bad
[17:16] <bardyr> BUGabundo, vlc can capture the desktop and stream it in any format
[17:17] <BUGabundo> bardyr: yes... I just manage to make it work
[17:17] <bardyr> BUGabundo, hows it working? im planning to use it myself
[17:20] <henke> by doing a strace I can see that dbus-daemon and a few other processes seem to get EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) when reading a socket and falling through the 'poll' calls immediately, thus using lots of cpu. Is there some way to figure out what the culprit could be?
[17:20] <BUGabundo> ogg/theora
[17:20] <BUGabundo> at 10FPS
[17:21] <unixdawg> how do I find what apps use oss
[17:21] <unixdawg> I am having issues with oss/alsa fighting over ports
[17:22] <unixdawg> and I cant get my voip software to work correctly its not picking up audio from the mic
[17:22] <bardyr> unixdawg, select the correct input source in gnome mixer?
[17:23] <bardyr> unixdawg, thats the common problem for me
[17:23] <unixdawg> not on knome
[17:23] <unixdawg> on kde
[17:23] <unixdawg> kde 4.2
[17:23] <bardyr> unixdawg, same shit different interface
[17:24] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[17:24] <unixdawg> its only a issue with it not getting audio from the mic
[17:24] <Amaranth> unixdawg: aoss will make oss apps use alsa
[17:24] <Amaranth> !info aoss
[17:24] <bardyr> sorry
[17:24] <Amaranth> hrm
[17:25] <Amaranth> !info alsa-oss
[17:26] <unixdawg> ok installed let me test
[17:27] <unixdawg> brb
[17:29] <Chriz2> anyone know how i can access my ubuntu install from windows 7?
[17:30] <mahfiaz> what filesystem?
[17:30] <Chriz2> ext3
[17:30] <Chriz2> i tried the fs-driver.org one but well uhhh no go windows wants 2 wipe it
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah, then you're probably out of luck.
[17:30] <Amaranth> You're going to need the userland one
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> fs-driver is the only method I know of to get to an ext2/3 filesystem from windows.
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> userland?
[17:30] <Chriz2> userland one?
[17:30] <Amaranth> I wouldn't trust the kernel driver in Vista or Win7
[17:31] <Chriz2> where do i get it =)
[17:31] <mahfiaz> Amaranth, there is no microsoft driver for ext2, stop worrying
[17:31] <Amaranth> mahfiaz: ....
[17:31] <Chriz2> lol!
[17:31] <Amaranth> *headdesk*
[17:32] <Amaranth> Anyway... http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
[17:33] <ali1234> ext2 ifs (fs-driver.org) doesn't work with very large ext3 partitions (like 1TB)
[17:33] <Chriz2> no dice =(
[17:33] <ali1234> as i found out recently :(
[17:33] <Chriz2> its only 80gb....
[17:34] <ali1234> oh that should work fine
[17:34] <ali1234> note that it adds a control panel icon that you have to use to mount the device, the regular windows disk manager still wont recognize it
[17:34] <Amaranth> Chriz2: explore2fs doesn't work either?
[17:35] <Chriz2> nope
[17:35] <Amaranth> Chriz2: Did you safely unmount this partition in linux? You didn't hibernate it or anything, did you?
[17:35] <Chriz2> it found the partitions just wouldn't show the files....
[17:35] <Chriz2> Amaranth i did a full reboot into windows =P
[17:35] <Amaranth> Chriz2: And this is ext3 in "ext2 with a journal" mode?
[17:36] <Amaranth> You're not using ext4, you didn't turn on any of the features in ext3 that aren't compatible with ext2?
[17:36] <Chriz2> Amaranth this was an upgrade from 8.10 =)
[17:36] <Chriz2> so no ext4 even if i wanted....
[17:37] <Amaranth> Chriz2: If neither one of those tools work I'd say the answer is "you can't do that"
[17:37] <Chriz2> =(
[17:43] <billybigrigger> anyone having a problem on the server install not being able to select anything??? i boot the .iso, then select install ubuntu server, then i get to the screen where i select my language and i cant do anything...no up or down, and cant select english, but the keyboard works on the screen before it where i select install, boot first hard disk, or check the cd??? nothing on google about this...
[17:53] <unixdawg> ok alsa-oss fixed the issue
[17:53] <unixdawg> I now have softphoine
[18:04] <unixdawg> other then mythtv what is a good app for using a pc tvtunercard
[18:05] <bardyr> unixdawg, i like me tv for all tour dvb needs
[18:13] <unixdawg> xawtv works
[18:13] <unixdawg> I need to get a newer card thou
[18:36] <bardyr> Hey, i get [13560.600107] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 9
[18:36] <bardyr> but isnt /dev/sr0 my cdrom drive with no cd in it?
[18:51] <maco> anyone getting 404s on a bunch of packages in main?
[18:59] <unixdawg> ok mplayer is still borked
[18:59] <unixdawg> grrr
[19:00] <CarlFK> this still works in 8.4, but a recient  jaunty update 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[19:11] <cwillu> maco, your package list is probably out of date
[19:39] <Wizzup> Hello there. I have just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha, and I am having problems with nvidia drivers
[19:39] <DrHalan> how can i remove gedits backups?
[19:39] <Wizzup> The update seems to have removed the drivers
[19:39] <Pici> Welcome to Jaunty
[19:39] <TheInfinity> Pici: :D
[19:40] <Wizzup> I don't think I should even respond to that...
[19:41] <idleone> Wizzup, jaunty is still very very fresh so there are going to be issues
[19:42] <Wizzup> I understand, but such a comment isn't really appreciated.
[19:42] <idleone> Alpha 4 means that this is the 4th attempt at not screwing things up lol well guess what....
[19:43] <idleone> Wizzup, Pici was just trying to lighten the mood. you will find that Pici is a very helpful and funny person at times when he isnt being a tool lol
[19:43] <Pici> Wizzup: I didn't mean it in a bad way. Its just that we get a lot of people here assuming that the alphas will work. /me points at topic
[19:43] <burner> Wizzup: que pasa?  they're working for me
[19:44]  * burner installed via a binary from nvidia.com awhile back when the nvidia-180 drivers weren't working
[19:44] <burner> but all seems with well the disto packs for me currently except for twinview
[19:46] <Wizzup> I'll mess with it some more and report back
[19:46] <burner> Wizzup: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 work?
[19:46] <Wizzup> Doing that atm
[19:46] <Wizzup> I first though we were supposed to use nouveau
[19:46] <Wizzup> thought*
[19:46] <burner> you have a newer card?
[19:46] <Wizzup> 9600GT
[19:47] <burner> yeah cool... 180 should work
[19:47] <burner> nouveau is neat in being open, but I like compiz & opengl
[19:47] <Wizzup> Same. :p
[19:47] <Wizzup> let's try
[19:47] <Wizzup> brb
[19:47] <burner> best of luck
[19:48] <burner> Wizzup: i'm curious if you have dual-head?
[19:50] <unixdawg> anyone working to fix kssh
[19:51] <unixdawg> I miss xmms why would they kill such a great project
[19:51] <zniavre> you should hav a try to audacious
[19:52] <zniavre> xmms clone
[19:52] <burner> yeah, audacious is gtk2... xmms is tooooo old skewl for my tastes
[19:52] <cwillu> !xmms
[19:53] <Wizzup> burner: I do not think so. TwimView works for me, by the way
[19:53] <Wizzup> I do recall that Seperate X Screen did not work for me @ Intrepid
[19:53] <unixdawg> it lacks alot of the functionality and plugins
[19:54] <unixdawg> xmms was/is still better
[19:54] <unixdawg> it should be put back in
[19:54] <cwillu> unixdawg, which?
[19:54] <Wizzup> Uhmm..
[19:54] <cwillu> unixdawg fails :(
[19:54] <Wizzup> I have been using ps xua | grep compiz
[19:55] <Wizzup> Wait, nevermind.
[19:55] <cwillu> Wizzup, nvidia-180 is missing alot of functionality and plugins ;p
[19:55] <Wizzup> Compiz seems to get new process id's all the time
[19:56] <Wizzup> 6660  0.0  0.0   3292   784 pts/2    R+   20:55   0:00 grep compiz
[19:56] <Wizzup> 6662  0.0  0.0   3292   800 pts/2    S+   20:55   0:00 grep compiz
[19:56] <Wizzup> Oh...
[19:56] <Wizzup> I am an idiot.
[19:56] <Wizzup> Nevermind me.
[19:57] <burner> nvidia-180 is missing functionality and plugins?  like what??
[19:59] <unixdawg> sorry fell off
[19:59] <Wizzup> Well, at the moment I fear that glxgears for example still uses my CPU. What was the easy way to find out if direct render was on?
[19:59] <cwillu> burner, I was mocking unixdawg in his absence :p
[19:59] <cwillu> unixdawg, hi :)
[19:59] <unixdawg> thanks
[19:59] <cwillu> unixdawg, "xmms was/is better" than which?
[19:59] <burner> Wizzup: glxinfo |grep direct
[20:00] <Wizzup> Seems to be on.
[20:00] <burner> bueno
[20:00] <Wizzup> It still eats my CPU though
[20:00] <unixdawg> audacious
[20:00] <Wizzup> (glxgears)
[20:01] <unixdawg> it has alot more plugins and it played by dir so you could just choose a dir and play it
[20:01] <unixdawg> audacious does not seem to have this function
[20:01] <burner> unixdawg: have the -plugins and -plugins-extra packages?
[20:01] <cwillu> unixdawg, did you see the other options?
[20:01] <cwillu> !xmms
[20:02] <unixdawg> I do not see the plugings in jaunty repos
[20:02] <zniavre> unixdawg:  there is a lot os nautilus script play/enqueue with audacious
[20:02] <zniavre> os> of *
[20:02] <burner> unixdawg: add files, find a directory and click the add button?  how hard is that?
[20:03] <unixdawg> it needs the ability to play whole dir
[20:03] <burner> unixdawg: it can
[20:03] <Wizzup> I fear that even though you have helped me alot, I will just reinstall Ubuntu 8.10. Thanks though
[20:03] <burner> unixdawg: instead of double-clicking... highlight a directory and click add
[20:03] <burner> Wizzup: best of luck... you could always try the nvidia.com drivers
[20:03] <cwillu> burner, gah
[20:03] <cwillu> burner, don't suggest that :p
[20:04] <Wizzup> burner: the 180's seem to work, sort of, but sound doesn't work either
[20:04] <Wizzup> and compiz won't even start
[20:04] <burner> cwillu: mind your own business :P  nvidia.com is where the nvidia-180's are created from
[20:04] <Wizzup> hey.. it just statred.
[20:04] <burner> is metacity compositing started?
[20:04] <burner> oh, awesome :)
[20:04] <cwillu> burner, yes, of course, but repackaged, and not doing things that our devs dislike
[20:05] <burner> cwillu: maybe that's why my dual-head is busted ;)
[20:05] <cwillu> burner, did you know that installing the nvidia.com driver and removing it can break nvidia-glx-* even after purging?  (a symlink gets screwed up)
[20:05] <cwillu> (bug's been reported, and the maintainer doesn't care:  "you installed nvidia.com, you're on your own, we can't support it")
[20:05] <Wizzup> ok
[20:05] <burner> cwillu: works here... i did just that before teh nvidia-180s worked in alpha3
[20:06] <Wizzup> Thanks guys!
[20:06] <Wizzup> afk
[20:06]  * burner is content being on his own... viva freedom!
[20:06] <cwillu> burner, okay, but that doesn't mean that recommending it to others is a good thing :)
[20:06] <cwillu> !wfm
[20:07] <burner> cwillu: if he's going back to 8.10 anyway, who cares... it might have fixed things!
[20:07] <SwedeMike> Amaranth / maco: oki, I have UXA enabled now, mplayer still behaves identically (jerky playback), should I do some special -vo mode in mplayer?
[20:07]  * burner concedes the point and refrains from advising nvidia binaries
[20:08] <cwillu> SwedeMike, running compiz?
[20:08] <SwedeMike> cwillu: yes.
[20:08] <cwillu> is sync to vblank on?
[20:08] <SwedeMike> how can I tell?
[20:08] <cwillu> do you have the compiz settings manager installed?
[20:09] <SwedeMike> compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[20:09] <cwillu> yes
[20:09] <SwedeMike> no, installing
[20:09] <custombrush> i also
[20:10] <cwillu> in the general section, under the display-settings tab, check refresh rate and sync to vblank.
[20:10] <cwillu> SwedeMike, if sync to vblank is on, you can either:  turn it off, and deal with display tearing (try this first, just to see if it solves your jerky playback)
[20:10] <SwedeMike> sync to vblanc is off, refresh rate is 50hz
[20:11] <cwillu> okay, probably not the cause then
[20:11] <cwillu> (I had to turn my refresh rate way up to smooth out video when vblank was on)
[20:12] <unixdawg> where can I get the osx bar widget for kde 4.2 it seems not to be included
[20:13] <burner> unixdawg: pardon?  you can just resize the kicker so it's not fulllength.  I bet that's what you mean by OS X bar
[20:14]  * burner wonders if it's still called kicker
[20:15] <zniavre> hey just updated meatcity seems broken ?
[20:15] <zniavre> metacity *
[20:16] <burner> zniavre: wfm :)
[20:17] <Waelwulf> Hello. Does anyone know why networkmanager doesn't appear to be included in the latest alpha of Ubuntu Studio?
[20:17] <cwillu> zniavre, more specific?
[20:17] <Waelwulf> I should mention it doesn't appear to be included in the 8.10 either.
[20:17] <zniavre> metacity is loaded but blank > no color no buttons
[20:17] <blizzle> Hello there. I'm not able to boot my antiquated system (running jaunty) with any of the 2.6.28.x kernels. Is this a known issue with older hardware?
[20:19] <cwillu> Waelwulf, clear out /etc/network/interfaces, leaving only the lo block
[20:19] <Waelwulf> cwillu, I'm not so Linux-savvy to understand that instruction. :P
[20:19] <cwillu> Waelwulf, it's a text file, nicely indented
[20:20] <cwillu> Waelwulf, I might also note that if you're not fairly comfortable with linux, you probably shouldn't be running an alpha release :p
[20:20] <Waelwulf> cwillu, okay, so if I install Ubuntu Studio, then clear out the text save the block of text with "lo" in it, that should fix it on reboot?
[20:20] <cwillu> Waelwulf, no.
[20:20] <cwillu> Waelwulf, every section _but_ the 'lo' section
[20:20] <zniavre> cwillu: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/187396/Capture.png
[20:21] <cwillu> Waelwulf, my bad, yes, that's right
[20:21] <Waelwulf> cwillu, oh I'm aware but the 8.10 release didn't have networkmanager installed either and also had an x crash on reboot so I figured I'd try 9.04
[20:22] <cwillu> zniavre, seems like it might be a broken theme, dunno.  You're running metacity and not compiz, right?
[20:22] <blizzle> If the truth be known, I've tried 2.8.28.x kernels on 2 older systems, and 2 newer ones. The older systems both freeze during boot.
[20:22] <Waelwulf> cwillu, I'm going to clear out that block of text now and reboot, will let you know if it fixes it.
[20:22] <cwillu> Waelwulf, k
[20:22] <zniavre> metacity + compiz
[20:22] <cwillu> zniavre, so, compiz
[20:22] <zniavre> gwd
[20:22] <cwillu> (metacity isn't used with compiz)
[20:22] <zniavre> gtk window decorator ?
[20:23] <carl0s-> Anybody know of an issue with the latest jaunty updates on X Intel video ? I'm getting a blank screen on bootup, I can here the gdm jingle sound but can't see anything. If I start in rescue mode, and then choose "resume startup" it seems to start up OK. Also, with Desktop Effects enabled, the window decorations/borders are all blank white, or mostly blank.. they're actually a gradient white.
[20:23] <carl0s-> s/here/hear
[20:23] <zniavre> cwillu: right metacity alone without compiz works normally
[20:23] <cwillu> zniavre, what chispet?
[20:23] <cwillu> chipset rather
[20:24] <blizzle> Anyone have any idea what switches I might try to get 2.8.28.x kernels booting on older hardware?
[20:24] <ali1234> carl0s-: blank screen is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/327230
[20:24] <zniavre> chipset of ?
[20:24] <cwillu> zniavre, video
[20:24] <zniavre> i guess it's nvidia fx 5500 drivers 173 .xx.Xx
[20:25] <carl0s-> ali1234, thanks. I did read today of a problem where the ttys are blank, which happens to be a problem I have on my Thinkpad T43p (FireGL v3200).. but here I have total blankness :) I'll head over to the bug report, cheers.
[20:25] <ali1234> carl0s-: the blank window borders i havn't figured out yet :)
[20:25] <cwillu> !info nvidia-glx-173
[20:25] <zniavre> this one yes
[20:26] <Waelwulf> cwillu, okay, here's the text I see below the commented out lines: "auto lo" then on the second line, "iface lo inet loopback"
[20:26] <cwillu> zniavre, might try 180 (apt-get install nvidia-glx-180), fixed alot of render bugs for me, but I don't know that it's the source of your trouble
[20:26] <carl0s-> ali1234, ah, but you've seen the problem? :)
[20:26] <zniavre> cwillu:  i can not my graphic card is too old
[20:26] <ali1234> carl0s-: yes since today's compiz update
[20:26] <cwillu> Waelwulf, that's all?
[20:26] <Waelwulf> cwillu, yes.
[20:27] <carl0s-> ali1234, well here's another one for you.. When I grab a window (desktop effects enabled), and drag the window towards the top of the screen, the window bounces/wobbles like crazy on this Samsung Netbook (i945). On my T43p (FireGL v3200), it also wobbles, but not so it's a problem, i.e. it doesn't wobble incessantly by itself, just for a moment.
[20:27] <carl0s-> ali1234, lovely, glad I'm not alone anyway. It's fun being cutting edge :)
[20:27] <Waelwulf> cwillu, but when I look at Add/Remove and search for networkmanager, the block's not filled in as installed. This is the same issue on 8.10. Could it be a package overlooked in Ubuntu Studio?
[20:27] <ali1234> carl0s-: somebody mentioned it happening on nvidia earlier so i guess it's a compiz bug not a driver bug
[20:27] <Waelwulf> cwillu, others have posted the same issue in the Ubuntu forums.
[20:28] <cwillu> Waelwulf, no idea, sorry
[20:28] <Waelwulf> cwillu, okay, thanks for taking the time.
[20:28]  * cwillu can't account for what packages studio has installed :p
[20:28] <cwillu> !ubuntustudio
[20:29] <carl0s-> ali1234, yup. I noticed it right away with this Samsung NC10. It's unusable in fact. Fedora 10 doesn't have similar problem but maybe it's an older X server on there. The FireGL has the same problem but much less so. I wonder if the fact that this netbook as such a low screen res (1024x600) plays a part in it, i.e. the vertical resolution may be lower than the size of the window or something.
[20:29] <Waelwulf> cwillu, I would be in that channel right now but unfortunately it's deserted of anyone but thank you very much for the help.
[20:29] <ali1234> carl0s-: hmm the blank window titles i mean... crazily bouncing windows is something i just put up with... sometimes it happens sometimes it doesnt
[20:29] <carl0s-> ali1234 ah ok.
[20:30] <carl0s-> right well I'm off to reboot this netbook without splash kernel parameter and see if it's alive again. cheers
[20:30] <ali1234> carl0s-: it does seem to happen a lot when the window is almost the same size as the screen, like the window is trying to snap to two places at once
[20:30] <carl0s-> ali1234, yes that sounds reasonable.
[20:30] <ali1234> carl0s-: by booting recovery mode and resuming, that's what you are doing
[20:31] <cwillu> zniavre, 180 supports the 5500
[20:31] <ali1234> so it should work :)
[20:31] <carl0s-> fair enough. that makes sense, cheers.
[20:31] <carl0s-> :)
[20:31] <cwillu> zniavre, give me the output of lspci|grep -i vga
[20:31] <cwillu> zniavre, actually, I lied, nvm
[20:34] <zniavre> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
[20:38] <unixdawg> ok I am not finding  opengl
[20:38] <blizzle> Not getting much response to my kernel issue on older hardware. None of the 2.6.28.x kernels work for me. Is there any fix, or is the issue known?
[20:40] <SwedeMike> cwillu: when enabling vblank I got like 1/2 fps in the gui, so that was total fail
[20:48] <mahfiaz1> what to do to get synaptic to work on my T61? cat /dev/input/mouse1 produces output, but ''xinput set-pointer "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint"'' returns: ''X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device''
[20:48] <carl0s-> so removing "splash" worked nicely, thanks.
[20:48] <carl0s-> The keybindings in vi seem to be broken in Jaunty too, in case anybody hadn't noticed.
[21:33] <SwedeMike> so... I was so fascinated by the nice colors when the gfx bug occurs that I made a youtube video of it, it doesn't really reflect all the nice colors shown, but look 0:35 into this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa1ujuePpjM
[21:34] <SwedeMike> is that what happens for everybody or do your screens only go black?
[21:36] <mahfiaz> SwedeMike, do you have external monitor working? (not debugging, trying to get help myself)
[21:36] <maxb> Huh. I've seen that weird effect on my own thinkpad in the past
[21:37] <mahfiaz> i get something similar, when the lcd is switched off, but its not so neat, because it does it without backlight on
[21:38] <mahfiaz> has anyone got the external monitor working with nvidia on thinkpad?
[21:39] <mahfiaz> I found today, that with nv drivers it cannot come back from sleep (or remains blank, doesn't know)
[21:41] <SwedeMike> mahfiaz: I havent tried.
[21:42] <SwedeMike> I'd like a screen saver using the same color happening :P It's even nicer than that macintosh one with the white dot in the middle with the colors eminating like flames
[21:42] <mahfiaz> sure it would be nice :)
[21:45] <mahfiaz> for trackpoint the emulate3d button feature is nice, but I would like it more with *middle* and right button
[21:53] <unixdawg> will ubuntu self detect a card change if I swap video cards
[21:54] <unixdawg> want to swap from nvidea 64 to a ati 128
[21:55] <blizzle> unixdawg, Should do.
[21:55] <unixdawg> ok
[21:55] <crdlb> yes, although proprietary driver interactions can cause issues
[21:55] <unixdawg> so rm the nvida driver
[21:55] <crdlb> but 2d should work immediately in some form
[21:55] <unixdawg> then swap the card
[21:56] <crdlb> it's probably not necessary to, but yeah, I'd disable the nvidia driver in jockey first
[21:56] <unixdawg> jockey  ?
[21:56] <crdlb> the hardware drivers manager
[21:58] <unixdawg> ok
[22:10] <unixdawg> ok I had to edit xorg it did nto auto detech the card change
[22:10] <unixdawg> but I want to add the ati custom driver
[22:11] <unixdawg> so I run the hardware tool and it says no drivers are in use
[22:11] <unixdawg> what driver do I have to loa dfor ati
[22:12] <unixdawg> ?
[22:13] <unixdawg> what do I run to make it reconfigure for ati
[22:13] <unixdawg> correctly
[22:20] <unixdawg> ok got the radeon driver working
[22:20] <unixdawg> but I want the extra driver I saw in the list earlier
[22:20] <unixdawg> for ati
[22:27] <unixdawg> ok found it
[22:40] <unixdawg> fglrx drive crashes
[22:40] <unixdawg> for ati
[22:40] <cwillu> unixdawg, fglrx hasn't been updated for the new xorg yet afaik
[22:40] <unixdawg> ok
[22:40] <unixdawg> then I will rm it
[22:44] <unixdawg> so then I am stuck with radeon-128 driver for now