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kolbydirecthex: Can I borrow it?00:00
directhexjms@orac:~> grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo00:00
directhex25600:00
maxb!00:00
kolbyI like00:00
LaneyBut I don't know why you'd deliberately introduce a known broken hashing algorithm00:00
Laneykolby: If you want an educational tool then make a nice GUI for learning with it00:00
* kolby runs "grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo" returning 4.00:01
directhexjms@orac:~> free -g | grep Mem00:01
directhexMem:           985         30        955          0          0         1900:01
kolby4<256... except today. It's opposite day00:01
kolbyLaney: what would possibly be the benefit of adding a GUI to a hashing algorithm program?00:02
Laneyto make it an educational tool00:02
Laneywhich is the use you want it for00:02
kolbyexample use:  gdb md4sum *.avi hashy00:03
directhexthing is, the day md4sum hits the archive, the security team launches a tactical nuke at your house00:03
kolbyeducation is therefor born.00:03
Laneythis is most unconvincing00:03
kolbyIt's a great package!00:04
kolbymd4sum is faster.00:05
kolbymost people don't know how to break it.00:05
kolbymost people have _no_idea_ what it is.00:05
Laneywho cares about most people?00:05
kolbyso it's fine to include in the repos00:05
Laneymost people don't want to break your software00:06
kolbyYes, further justifying our point.00:06
Laneybut the fact is you cannot trust md4 because it is *so easily broken by anyone who takes two seconds to find out how*00:06
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kolbydirecthex has a super-computer.  He doesn't count.00:07
directhex7 seconds was on my laptop.00:07
directhexi don't feel like vexing the itaniums this evening.00:07
kolbydirecthex: laptop with 256 processors...00:08
kolbydirecthex: try breaking md4sum's daughter: md5sum with your mighty processing power.00:08
directhexno, laptop with a core 2 duo. office machine with 256 cores.00:09
kolbyIf PS3s can do it, your set up should work.00:09
directhexand i think you underestimate the cost of electricity00:09
kolbydirecthex: I don't have to pay it actually.00:09
kolbydirecthex: I'm living on a military base.00:09
kolbydirecthex: good luck with your bomb00:09
Laneyask them about using md400:10
Laneythey should know a thing or two00:10
kolbywhy bother the IT dep. over something so abviously simple?00:10
kolbymd4sum is a great experience.00:10
kolbylike swimming.00:11
kolbyhow are you not convinced?00:11
LaneyWe are not about to deliberately introduce a program with security flaws00:11
* Laney -> shower00:11
kolbylol.00:11
kolbyfine...  md4sum breaker-ers00:12
kolbyI'll go bother debian.00:12
Laneyhaha00:12
Laneygood luck!00:13
kolbyit's not like I packaged a virus.00:13
kolbyjust a great historical application.00:13
kolbywho will know of md4sum and it's wonderful eDonkey powers now?00:13
kolby...debian...00:14
kolbylol00:14
kolbyalright that was my last try.  Thanks for participating.  Sincerely.00:14
kolbyI was packaging this program to learn how to make Ubuntu packages.00:15
kolbyI realized it could be part of Jaunty and it made feel a great sense of pride in my labor.00:16
kolbyI'm pretty sure the packaging is flawless by now, though.00:17
ScottKkolby: You do realize the arguments against it have nothing to do with the quality of your packaging, right?00:17
kolbyScottK, *sigh* yes.  I just want someone to review it.00:18
ScottKkolby: I'll look at it to give you feedback on your learning experience, but I won't advocate it goes in the archive.00:18
kolbyScottK thanks. ^^00:19
kolbyScottK, where will it go?  Bad-package heaven?00:19
kolbyit will more than likely stay on my hard-drive.00:20
kolbyI should probably uninstall it.00:20
kolbyweak-hashing-algorithm-haters...00:21
kolbythank you all.00:21
directhexall the cool kids use quadruple rot13 these days00:22
kolbydirecthex: thanks for your feedback, btw00:23
ScottKkolby: Reviewed.  Generally technically good, but licensing is a disaster.00:48
* ScottK needs to run.00:48
kolbythank you00:48
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Dante_JGreetings room.03:25
nhandlerHello Dante_J03:28
Dante_JI have a question regarding patches. I'm using 8.04.2 and wondering why are the patches so delayed? None a all or February so far.03:29
Dante_JUnder Fedora there has been the security patch for Firefox, sudo & Nss. For Ubuntu so far nothing. Is there a problem? Here's an example:03:29
Dante_Jhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2009-January/date.html03:29
Dante_Jhttps://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2009-February/date.html03:29
Dante_JI'm just curious and a little concerned, not attempting to apportion blame.03:30
Dante_JPlease do let me know if this question should be addressed elsewhere. I was thinking of preparing a Digg story about this situation, but wanted to understand it first before posting anything.03:33
Dante_JI really hate being the whiner, seriously. I'd just like to get a handle on the current status.03:41
Dante_Jnhandler: Thank you for your greeting.03:42
Dante_JI guess I should leave you all in peace. Cheers. :/03:42
* RAOF has obviously missed the start of this.03:43
nhandlerDante_J: I would suggest coming back here at a different time. Most developers are gone right now03:43
Dante_Jthanks nhandler03:43
nhandlerRAOF: He is wondering why fedora got a security update for sudo and we haven't03:43
* nhandler doesn't know enough about the update03:43
Dante_Jthat was my question03:43
* RAOF doesn't know _anything_ about the update.03:46
RAOFBut sudo's firmly in main; #ubuntu-devel should contain more people who know about it; there might even be an #ubuntu-security.03:46
Dante_JAlso under Ubuntu is Firefox is unpatched at 3.0.503:47
Dante_Jamong other packages.03:47
RAOFIt's _actually_ unpatched, or just doesn't have a version bump?03:47
Dante_JNot patched.03:47
nhandlerDante_J: firefox 3.0.6 is actually in jaunty03:47
Dante_JInsecure.03:47
Dante_Jhttp://secunia.com/advisories/33799/03:47
Dante_Jnot patched in Hardy03:48
Dante_Jwhich is often used in labs, & by corporates.03:48
nhandlerDante_J: I would talk to some of the people on the security team. They would have more knowledge about this stuff03:48
Dante_Jthank you nhandler03:49
RAOFBoth firefox & sudo are in main; #ubuntu-devel is where you'll have people who deal with main.03:49
Dante_Jthanks RAOF :)03:49
afnerhi03:50
Dante_JHello afner03:50
nhandlerHi afner03:50
Dante_JHave a great day.03:50
* Dante_J waves03:50
afnerhow are you?03:50
afneryou too have a grat day03:51
afnergreat03:51
afnernhandler hi03:51
jmarsdenAnyone able to review webgui for me please?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/webgui03:53
nhandlerjmarsden: I'll take a look03:54
jmarsdenThanks!03:54
chrismurfIf someone has a chance to look at pyproj (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyproj) I'd appreciate it - I believe I resolved issues that fabrice_sp identified this afternoon.04:03
dholbachgood morning05:28
ScottKGood morning.05:31
dholbachhi scottK05:32
fabrice_spGood morning dholbach. Morning ScottK05:50
dholbachhiya fabrice_sp05:50
ScottKo/05:53
* nixternal hugs dholbach 06:21
* dholbach hugs nixternal back :)06:22
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didrocksgood morning :)07:08
c_kornhello. is it likely that scilab-5 makes it into jaunty? https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/scilab/+bug/27226408:38
ubottuUbuntu bug 272264 in scilab "Please sync scilab-5.0.3 (multiverse) from PPA" [Wishlist,Confirmed]08:38
c_kornthere are a few missing dependencies which have to be synced before (jeuclid for example which is not in debian, yet)08:38
directhexc_korn, NEW joy? that one rings a bell08:40
directhexyeah. 7th in NEW08:40
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c_kornjeuclid, xmlgraphics-common, fop and java-wrappers would need to be synced before scilab-5 can be used.08:42
c_kornFF is not far off. that is why I ask08:42
directhexNEW is also going to kick my ass r.e. FF08:50
directhexyay for NEW08:50
directhexhanska, shouldn't you be in class, learning about teeth?08:52
hanskadirecthex: no, I'm home to study -- and am studying really :)08:52
RAOFYou can fakesync from NEW, right? :)08:52
savvashuman teeth or animal? :P08:53
directhexRAOF, depends on whether those happy slappy MOTUs will let a little thing like "not going through REVU" happen08:53
RAOFWhat's in NEW that needs revu?08:54
* RAOF notes that _he_ is a slap-happy motu, should push come to shove.08:54
directhexRAOF, the main items stuck in limbo are moon and sublib.08:55
directhexsublib is needed to finish the mono 2.0 transition08:55
hanskasavvas: human ;)08:56
savvashanska: I really hope it's not histology or anatomy and doesn't involve innervations and their pathway/origin (been there :P) Good luck, I won't disturb anymore! :)09:07
hanskasavvas: well, I already gave those two :)... and yes, I know what you're talking about :P. No, I'm doing gastroenterology, internal medicine, haematology, odontostomatologic pathology.09:09
hanskasavvas: exam is on Thu :/09:09
* hanska goes to study Scleroderma.09:09
DktrKranzscleroderma, medical stuff. let's call dr. house (tm)09:11
hanskaDktrKranz: /me is House. :P09:12
DktrKranzcool, dr. house is a Debian Maintainer! \o/09:12
hanska\o/09:13
hanskaDktrKranz: if you happen to come in Palermo, come to Policlinico and I'll see your teeth :P09:13
DktrKranzquite far away for a dentist's checkup :)09:16
hanskaDktrKranz: we could sign each other's GPG keys. ;)09:17
* iulian looks around.09:18
DktrKranzhanska: ping me if you come near reggio em., mantua, bologna or thelike :)09:36
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savvashanska: I'm studying medicine as well, 3rd year.. and still hating the long hours I have to sacrifice :p10:18
savvason the other hand, it really pays back in more ways than one10:19
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savvasA question about libmtp merge bug #315679 - debian/control file says "Breaks: udev (<< 136-1)" which makes libmtp work only for 9.04 jaunty or later releases. In libmtp postinst and preinst scripts there are some checks for older libmtp versions, which are for ubuntu hardy or older. Should those libmtp older version checks be removed?10:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 315679 in libmtp "Please merge libmtp 0.3.0-1ubuntu3 (main) to 0.3.6-1 from Debian (experimental)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31567910:29
mok0savvas: sounds like you could remove them10:40
mok0savvas: what does the package history say about the reasons for adding these checks?10:42
Tonio_mok0: I'll have all the points you noticed with skrooge fixed today, fyi10:58
mok0Tonio_: super10:59
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Vest84Can anybody who is free now review my package? (gnome-quod) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gnome-quod11:23
Tonio_mok0: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/skrooge <- should be okay now11:37
Tonio_and if anyone has a couple of minutes for a very quick revu -> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcometen411:38
Tonio_just a screensaver, so that's very basic kde packaging11:38
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mok0Tonio_: I'm busy atm, will look later12:04
Tonio_mok0: thanks :)12:06
quadrisprocould someone take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/nfoview ?12:16
mruizhi all12:25
EagleScreenhello12:31
EagleScreeni want to fix a bug in QtParted, for it i am goingo to make a patch, qtparted has seven patches in debian/patches in dpatch format, i dont know if I must make a dpatch patch or a debdiff patch12:34
directhexmake a dpatch first & foremost. then consider making a debdiff of your new package which contains the dpatch12:36
EagleScreenokay, I need to learn how to apply and make dpatch patched then, any guide?12:37
dholbachEagleScreen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems#dpatch12:39
mruizif I want to upgrade a package, do I need to prepare a Freeze Exception?12:41
dholbachmruiz: we're not in Feature Freeze yet12:41
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule12:41
mruizdholbach, hi !12:41
dholbachhiya12:42
mruizI have a package to review : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtranslator/+bug/292253 . It would be great if someone could give me a comment13:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 292253 in gtranslator "Gtranslator is too old in Ubuntu, please upgrade it" [Undecided,In progress]13:04
* surfaz is away: Estoy comiendo, escribir mi nombre para que el Xchat me avise13:56
Pici!away > surfaz13:57
ubottusurfaz, please see my private message13:57
sven777I just need one more advocate for my package - would a MOTU be so kind as to review it? Thanks in advance! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lmalinux14:31
quadrisprohi guys! anyone on this? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/nfoview14:40
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EagleScreenI have a dude. I am going to do a change in package qtparted, it uses dpatch patches in debian/patches, so I fisrtly will make a dpatch patch with my changes, and later a debdiff with the difference between old and new package, my question is if the changes in the changelog file must go in the dpatch patch, or only in the debdiff patch14:46
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mterryEagleScreen: only in debdiff14:52
mterryEagleScreen: Ideally nothing under debian/ will go in the dpatch14:52
EagleScreenthanks14:53
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bddebianHeya gang15:06
Juli__Hi MOTUs, thank you for spending your time making Ubuntu better! It would be great if someone could help me with updating netbeans package to a new upstream version - 6.5:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbeans/+bug/251173 . I've got many requests for this update from Ubuntu users and now all needed diff files (for netbeans and corresponding libs) are ready. Please, have a...15:10
Juli__...look. Thanks in advance!15:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 251173 in netbeans-ide "Update NetBeans to 6.5" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:10
postalchrisIs there a way to get debuild to fork multiple compile processes, like "make -j 2"?15:16
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mok0postalchris: I believe there is some environmental variable you can set15:30
mok0postalchris: ah, no it's a switch: dpkg_buildpackage -j215:34
mok0postalchris: or use parallel=jobs in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS ... my memory is not completely off15:35
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arahey guys, I am packaging ldtp1.5 to be included in jaunty, and I have some questions about the process. I hope that you will be able to help.15:45
arathe changes include a new upstream version (jaunty now contains ldtp 1.4) and some basic changes in the control file: new dependency and original-maintainer field15:45
arathe package builds correctly and it has been successfully tested15:46
araI will file now a bug in LP requestion the upgrade15:46
aramy question is:15:46
arawhat should I add as attachment to the bug? the debdiff with the former version?15:46
hyperairara: diff.gz15:47
jpdsara: Debdiff, .diff.gz, and .dsc.15:47
hyperairjpds: eh? the other day someone told me all i needed was a diff.gz15:47
jpdshyperair: Today someone told me I needed those three.15:47
hyperairbah15:48
hyperairwell my debdiff is miles long, including a few unrepresentable changes15:48
jpdshyperair: debdiff makes viewing upstream changes easier to see if it's worth the update.15:48
hyperair.png stuff15:48
arajpds, hyperair: the .diff.gz between 1.4 and 1.5 upstream? and what about the packaging changes?15:48
jpdsara: No, the .diff.gz for the 1.5 source package.15:49
hyperairjpds: are sponsors really going to stare at a mile-long debdiff?15:49
jpdshyperair: Possibly.15:49
hyperairjpds: good grief.15:49
arajpds: ah, ok, thanks :)15:49
arahyperair: thank you too15:49
hyperairara: np15:49
jpdshyperair: bug #319182 was where I was asked.15:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319182 in python-gdata "Package Update Request: python-gdata" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31918215:50
jpdsara: De nada.15:50
hyperairbug #327216 -- a package update request. i didn't attach a debdiff15:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 327216 in codelite "[needs-upgrade] CodeLite 1.0.2759" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32721615:51
LaneyI find it hard to believe that anyone is going to review that debdiff15:51
Laneythe NEWS file would be more useful15:51
hyperairLaney: lol yeah15:51
hyperaireventhough launchpad is being a bitch over here so i can't see it15:51
jpdsI didn't want to upload the debdiff really.15:51
james_w.diff.gz allows us to sponsor the update15:51
james_wanything else that makes it easy to review is more likely to get your package sponsored sooner15:52
james_wa mile long debdiff doesn't really fall in to that category, but the NEWS file might15:52
jpdspossibly wanted to diffstat it or something.15:55
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arawell bug is now there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldtp/+bug/32766615:57
ubottuUbuntu bug 327666 in ldtp "Please upgrade to LDTP 1.5" [Undecided,New]15:57
araI guess next step would be to subscribe to sporsors, isn't it?15:57
jpdsYes; ubuntu-main-sponsors.15:58
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arajpds: well, universe, in this case ;-)16:00
jpdsara: Oh, I thought it was in main...16:00
jpdsThat would be ltsp confusing me.16:01
henrik-hw0need a MOTU to look at libmirage.16:41
huatsLaney: I am handling the bakery update16:50
huats(just so that you know=16:50
huats)16:50
huats:)16:50
Laneywhat update?!16:50
Laneyin debian?16:50
huatsLaney: a new release has been done today by the upstream16:53
Laneyoh cool16:53
huatscannot do it in debian because of the freeze...16:53
brooniehabtool: You can upload to experimental.16:54
brooniehuats: You can upload to experimental.16:55
Laneyonly a few days left16:55
huatsbroonie: I know16:55
huatsbut I 'd rather wait...16:55
huatsLaney: yep16:55
huatsLaney: be sure I'll put the bakery2.6 in debian too (so that you can put glom)16:56
huats:)16:56
Laney\o/16:56
* broonie uploaded some stuff anyway, it'd never have time to migrate and the chances of a RC bug that needed fixing in testing were minimal.16:56
jdongdirecthex: man I'm getting itchy enough that I want to fix monodevelop-boo upstream :)16:58
cedricvoh guys, if you could have a look to include boo 0.9 before feature freeze too that would be awesome!! :)16:58
jdongcedricv: doesn't it require Mono 2.x?17:00
cedricvno 1.9 is ok17:00
jdongah ok, well the only other concern I'd have is about all the apps that use Boo scripting17:01
jdongBanshee I believe is one of em17:01
jdongwhether or not this change breaks anything17:01
cedricvyeah, well 0.9 broke not much (the main potential issue would be the enforcement of the earlier only-recommended syntax for generic definitions..)17:03
cedricvbut then of course i'm not even sure banshee plugins use generics in the first place, even less defined them with the 'not-recommended' syntax17:03
jdongright17:04
jdongdirecthex would probably be the mono wrangler to speak with on this matter17:04
jdongbut yes, it would be nice to get 0.9 in safely :)17:04
cedricvindeed! well actually we could even release in time a 0.9.1 with the latest bugfixes17:04
cedricvas a maintenance release17:05
cedricvwhat is the problem you have witn monodevelop-boo btw?17:07
jdongcedricv: mainly code completion support / stetic support17:07
jdongand in the process I understand there's some nastiness in how Boo loads assemblies into the MD process17:07
cedricvhmm so in the end is it crashing? or having incorrect behavior?17:08
jdongcedricv: incorrect behavior; see monodevelop-list archives today, I seem to have started a dirty laundry list about the Boo binding17:09
jdongbtw I just recently started playing with Boo and I absolutely love it. Keep up the great work17:09
cedricvgreat! welcome then :)17:11
cedricvjdong: have read the thread on the list, not sure i get the prb though, is it boo that is loading the assemblies? or the md addin itself that is?17:13
jdongcedricv: oh sorry for the unclear explanation; it's the implementation of the MD addin, not anything wrong with Boo itself :17:19
cedricvjdong: yeah I think Luiss pointed out the issue correctly (addin using BooCompiler API directly instead of forking another process (or AppDomain maybe))17:20
jdongcedricv: yeah the compiler part looks simple to solve, though I'm not so sure aout the parser side for codecompletion.17:21
jdongI don't understand enough about Boo's interactive abilities to know the best approach for this :)17:21
jdongI understand the interactive interpreter has a suggest code complete API call but that probably needs to load referenced assemblies to know what it's talking about?17:22
cedricvyeah, so it would have to be done out-of-MD-process too (maybe you can have a look at the [something]Messenger.boo that Monolipse [the boo plugin for eclipse] is using)17:24
jdongk, I'll look at that17:24
jdongspeaking of Monolipse, does it have code completion for Boo right now? I was playing with it and couldn't find that ability17:24
cedricvjdong: yeah it has a *very limited* one.. you have to press alt+/            monolipse is really in pre-pre-alpha stage ;)17:27
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jdongcedricv: yeah it was playing mind tricks on me, sometimes alt/ does something, other times it just sits there :)17:52
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* hyperair has just noticed the shiny new revu graph18:41
hyperairpretty cool18:42
Chris`Laney: "Stage"?18:42
Laneyplace18:42
Laneyinstall them into debian/package/18:42
Chris`Oh right I'll give it a shot18:43
Chris`Laney: So apply a quilt patch I'm guessing?18:43
chrismurfAnybody able to review pyproj for me? I've made revisions suggested by fabrice_sp_, and hoping for more feedback.  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyproj18:45
fabrice_sp_Hi chrismurf, did you succeed in getting the correct diff file?18:58
fabrice_sp_about the point 2, the warning is because you have to change the content of the compat file to match the required debhelper version18:59
fabrice_sp_I have seen your comments. Trying to build the package (and crossing the finger :-) )19:01
chrismurffabrice_sp_, I believe I did19:01
chrismurfThanks :-)19:01
fabrice_sp_s/finger/fingers/19:01
chrismurffabrice_sp_, so I guess the question is whether or not I should need a specific compat level19:02
fabrice_sp_you should lower it, anyway19:04
chrismurfokay - to what? 6? 5?19:04
fabrice_sp_chrismurf, to 6, at least (last package I did, I put 5, because of dh_icons)19:05
fabrice_sp_the lowest you can, the better19:05
chrismurfokay -- I'm doing nothing special, so I shouldn't need particularly advanced versions19:05
chrismurflooks like python-support requires debhelper >=519:05
chrismurfso I'll switch to that19:05
fabrice_sp_great19:07
chrismurfso -- education question; is this because I'm making a source DEB which ideally will be usable with as old a version of debian as possible -- ie, this has little to do with targetting Jaunty specifically19:10
chrismurfIt's just good practice to not require things that aren't required19:11
fabrice_sp_both :-) It's good to package something that can be more 'easily' backported and also, it's good practice to use the minimum19:12
fabrice_sp_required19:13
chrismurfnoted19:13
chrismurffabrice_sp_, dputting version with new compat / debhelper version.19:18
chrismurfand... fantastic - .diff.gz is getting creamed by dput again19:19
chrismurfwhat is with that?19:19
chrismurfhas anybody else ever had their .gz get corrupted to binary junk during upload?19:19
jpdsChris`: You have mail.19:22
chrismurfjpds, my .diff.gz is fairly consistently being corrupted upon upload.  If I look at a diff of the binary streams, it's actually only in a few places.  I have the actual copyright sign in the file -- is it possible that either dput or revu is not handling utf-8 characters well?19:27
chrismurfdoes REVU unpack/repack the .gz at all, or would any bug have to be in dput?19:28
fabrice_sp_chrismurf, the same old problem with matching size...19:31
chrismurffabrice_sp_, fixed now19:31
chrismurfI think I figured out what it is19:31
chrismurfI switched the UTF-8 copyright signs in 'copyright' to be (C)19:32
chrismurfproblem now gone19:32
chrismurfso... maybe dput or REVU has unicode issues? ASCII only?19:32
chrismurfthe one up there  now should be good19:32
jpdsG'evening mrooney19:35
mrooneyjpds: allo!19:35
mrooneyit is morning for me :)19:35
jpdsmrooney: You're in SF now, right?19:36
chrismurffabrice_sp_, better?19:38
Chris`jpds: Thanks for the mail btw, how do I patch without using cdbs (There is no  configure) ?19:39
jpdsChris`: Use quilt, see: pidgin-facebookchat for example.19:40
Chris`jpds: Heh you always refer to facebookchat, thanks again19:40
mrooneyjpds: I am indeed!19:41
jpdsmrooney: Nice.19:41
* fabrice_sp_ try again to build pyproj19:41
jpdsChris`: Because it has an example rules file with patching, no configure and example patches in debian/patches :)19:42
macocan anyone tell me why spim mysteriously disappeared after Hardy?19:43
quadrisprohi guys, could someone review this? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/nfoview19:44
Laneymaco: It was removed from Debian19:44
macoLaney: any idea why *that* happened?19:44
LaneyThe maintainer orphaned it19:44
macoand can we get it back?19:44
Laneyand nobody wanted to maintain19:44
maco:(19:44
Laneysure, if you want to maintain it19:45
jpdsmaco: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spim19:45
macojpds: oh i installed from hardy's binary19:45
chrismurfmaco, http://wiki.debian.org/NonFreeTrackingSystem/SourcePackage/spim19:45
macobut it used to be that if your school made you learn mips it was a nice apt-get away...now it's a hunt19:45
chrismurfmaco, sounds like gxemul may do what you want19:46
macooooh ok19:46
macois gxemul by any chance Free (with a big F) too?19:46
chrismurfmaco, yes, see http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Emulators19:47
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macook so i guess i ought to figure out how to use this thing, then tell the TA19:50
macothanks19:50
fabrice_sp_Do someone else have a problem with building a package with 404 error on autoconf ?  (Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/autoconf/autoconf_2.63-2ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80])19:51
iulianfabrice_sp_: Try to update your pbuilder.19:52
Chris`jpds: "debian/rules:12: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory" yet quilt is in the build-deps :-/19:52
macoactually it doesnt look like gxemul does what spim does at all...19:53
macogxemul seems to be more like a vm19:53
macospim is for running or stepping through assembly files19:53
macogxemul's docs say you need to cross-compile code to run it, and you're supposed to install a guest OS19:53
fabrice_sp_iulian, it's with sbuild, and I autoupdate before building. I've checked, and in packages.ubutnu.com, I have 2.63-2ubuntu1, but in archive.ubuntu.com, it's not greater than 2.61-719:54
jpdsChris`: Weird.19:54
Chris`jpds: I've debuilded several times just to make sure, shall I upload to see if you can spot anything?19:54
fabrice_sp_Chris`, if you get this error when building the source package, it's because you miss quilt in your computer19:55
Chris`fabrice_sp_: It is installed both locally and via pbuilder19:55
Chris`Using control for pbuilder ofc ^19:55
jpdsChris`: Sure.19:55
iulianfabrice_sp_: That's odd.  I've also got some 404s when building packages with pbuilder.  After updating, it worked.19:56
fabrice_sp_iulian, yeah. The same for me. In this case, it seems that archive is not in sync19:56
fabrice_sp_or some chacing with my internet provider19:57
fabrice_sp_caching19:57
Chris`http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4981 -- Uploaded jpds19:58
Chris`Oh snap19:59
Chris`I see what I did wrong!19:59
Chris`I put in depends not build-depends19:59
jpdsChris`: http://tinyurl.com/ao8q5b19:59
Chris`jpds: What am I looking for in that link?20:00
jpdsChris`: It's $(DESTDIR). Not: {DESTDIR}.20:00
Chris`Oh OK20:00
jpdsChris`: And you've modified the source: +++ star-merchant-1.1/Makefile20:01
Chris`I haven't touched that dir :-/20:01
Chris`Is that an effect of quilt?20:02
fabrice_sp_chrismurf, still having the same pb with sizes20:02
chrismurfseriously?!20:02
Chris`jpds: Locally .orig.tar.gz is the same as upstream20:03
fabrice_sp_yeah. I'm closing my browser, just to avoid caching problems20:03
chrismurffabrice_sp_, with which file20:03
fabrice_sp_chrismurf, diff file20:03
chrismurfif I wget the latest .diff.gz, it's the correct size20:03
chrismurfwhoah... but if I download it through firefox it's wrong20:04
jpdsChris`: Oh, yeah, you have to add to rules: "clean: unpatch" and "build-stamp: patch".20:04
* Chris` will look into it :)20:05
jpdsChris`: You might want to remove th configure: and configure-stamp: rules cos they're not doing anything.20:05
fabrice_sp_chrismurf, i'm downloading through firefox :-/20:05
chrismurffabrice_sp_, yeah - clicking on the link in the browser ensures that it's the wrong size.  wget gets the right size.20:05
fabrice_sp_ok20:05
chrismurfthis is bad magic20:05
fabrice_sp_strange, isn't it?20:05
chrismurfREVU admin, help?20:06
jpdsAgain? :)20:06
fabrice_sp_yeah. I think RainCT was updating REVU some time ago20:06
chrismurfjpds, yeah, I'm hopeless20:06
chrismurfjpds,  the .diff.gz file from http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pyproj downloads incorrectly through firefox for both fabrice_sp_ and I, but correctly with wget20:06
chrismurfany ideas?  headers / content-type badness?20:07
chrismurfit gets corrupted during transfer20:07
jpdsHmm, odd.20:07
chrismurffabrice_sp_, it does work with wget for you, correct?20:08
fabrice_sp_I'm trying with another package :-)20:09
fabrice_sp_but yes: sze is correct with wget20:10
fabrice_sp_size20:10
fabrice_sp_and I'm having also that problem with another package (Chris`'s one)20:10
chrismurfworks through links too.  So... yeah.  ;-)20:11
chrismurffabrice_sp_, firefox 3?20:11
chrismurf3.0.520:11
jpdsHmm, maybe it's something with mod_deflate.20:11
fabrice_sp_3.0.5, yes20:11
* Chris` is trying to fight the errors like a good detective20:11
chrismurfjpds, that seems not unreasonable20:11
fabrice_sp_jpds, is it something RainCT changed few tiem ago?20:11
jpdsfabrice_sp_: Yes.20:12
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RainCTchrismurf,fabrice_sp_: What's up?20:12
Chris`make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/star-merchant-1.1'20:12
Chris`cp starmerch /tmp/buildd/star-merchant-1.1/debian/star-merchant/usr/bin/starmerch20:12
Chris`cp: cannot create regular file `/tmp/buildd/star-merchant-1.1/debian/star-merchant/usr/bin/starmerch': No such file or directory20:12
Chris`jpds: Same error diff dir20:12
fabrice_spHey RainCT!20:12
chrismurfRainCT, wget on http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/pyproj-0902102030/pyproj_1.8.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz is the correct size, downloading through firefox is not.20:12
chrismurfHi :-)20:13
jpdschrismurf: Hmm, freaky.20:13
Chris`I've been having lots of Firefox errors lately when downloading20:13
Chris`Sometimes the download does not even start20:13
Chris`and refuses to20:13
chrismurfBeen kicking myself for incompetence with creating .diff.gz20:13
chrismurfI feel slightly better now :-)20:14
fabrice_splol20:14
RainCTWeird.. Now that I think about it, it can't be mod_deflate as it doesn't touch .gz files20:14
chrismurfRainCT, we're both running FF 3.0.520:14
fabrice_spit only affect diff file20:14
chrismurfbut I can't imagine what the bug would be20:14
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RainCTyeah, I can reproduce it20:15
chrismurfwget or links works fine20:15
chrismurfkk20:15
fabrice_spand was working fine one week ago, I think20:15
RainCTmust be some Firefox weirdness..20:15
RainCTuhm20:15
RainCT(to be sure, I've just tried disabling deflate - still doesn't work)20:16
chrismurfkk20:16
fabrice_spis there a way to compare to binary files?20:17
chrismurffabrice_sp, I did using diff20:18
chrismurfit's only a couple of places it gets mangled20:18
chrismurfRainCT, I thin it's on the server20:18
chrismurfbecause I'm getting sent a Content-Encoding of gzip20:18
chrismurflooking at the header20:18
RainCTchrismurf: .diff.gz is a gzip encoded file20:19
RainCT:P20:19
chrismurfbut wouldn't that be content-type, not content-encoding?20:20
RainCTUhm.. Right :P20:21
chrismurfhttp://pastebin.ca/133300520:21
chrismurfFirefox Live HTTP Headers for the download20:22
chrismurfso - the server is listing the content-length as 2691 for firefox20:22
chrismurfRainCT, http://pastebin.ca/133300620:25
porthoseiulian: the requested diff.gz has been posted for Bug #300445, if you have some spare time would you please have a look , thanks ;-)20:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 300445 in qtsmbstatus "Updating QtSmbstatus" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30044520:25
chrismurfRainCT, fabrice_sp, wget has different headers sent to it than Firefox does20:25
fabrice_spchrismurf, I'm trying to build with the wget version of diff file20:27
chrismurffabrice_sp, I'll leave you alone then ;-)20:27
Chris`Before I cry -- Can someone have a look at this for me? -- http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=499120:28
RainCTwith epiphany it also fails..20:29
* Laney gets gnome-shell20:30
LaneyI spied your name there RainCT20:31
RainCTLaney: :)20:31
Laneyis it usable?20:31
alex_muntadajames_w: I was asking RainCT about bug #280381 and he suggested that I should better ask you20:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280381 in bzr-builddeb "fails to import vlc 0.9.4 into ~lp:motumedia/vlc/vlc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28038120:31
fabrice_spChris`, what do you want others to look at?20:32
alex_muntadajames_w: how can i bzr import-dsc a debian .dsc on a previous ubuntu branch (no upstream-debian tag exists)20:32
chrismurfRainCT, only difference I can see (besides length) is the ETag + Content-Encoding are .gzip20:33
chrismurfwhich seems like mod_deflate (?)20:33
RainCTLaney: Depending on the graphics card, perhaps (although I wouldn't recommend you to replace compiz/metacity with it :)). Here it runs rather slow.. :(20:34
Laney:<20:34
RainCTLaney: according to the developers it works best with Intel 9xxx cards20:35
* Laney has ATI20:35
RainCTchrismurf: About point 2 on REVU, you have to specify a minimum debhelper version, but it can be >= 5.x, 6 or 720:37
chrismurfRainCT, thanks :-) It's now 520:38
chrismurfRainCT, Also, I just realized that if I gzip -d the downloaded file, I get the correct file20:38
chrismurfso - it's getting gzipped twice20:38
chrismurfand not ungzipped once by the browser20:38
hyperairis it me or is revu down?20:49
hyperairno wait, it's up again20:49
LaneyRainCT: Oh my god it's ruined my desktop!20:50
* Laney wonders how to get back to metacity20:50
RainCTLaney: LOL. Just Ctrl+C20:50
Laneyhaha20:50
RainCThyperair: I'm restarting Apache ^^20:51
LaneyI could barely even read the text20:51
Laneythat was fun20:51
hyperairRainCT: lol20:51
hyperairRainCT: why?20:51
hyperairRainCT: should be force-reload20:51
hyperairalso i'm curious to know where jpds got my surname from =O20:51
chrismurfhyperair, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/hyperair? ;-)20:52
RainCThyperair: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/hyperair20:52
RainCTheh20:53
hyperairhuh why edubuntu O_o20:53
Laneygoogle20:53
hyperairlol20:53
hyperairhuh there's a hyperair on lenovo forums20:55
hyperairidentity theft!20:55
EagleScreeni want to submit a bug to Universe Sponsors Queue20:56
RainCTEagleScreen: just subscribe ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors to it20:58
quadrisprohi RainCT, could you take a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/nfoview ? :)21:00
sorenhyperair: It's in your GPG key.21:03
chrismurfRainCT, any luck?21:07
alex_muntadajames_w: i figured it out... "bzr tags" shows upstream-1.32 so i copy it to the expected tag "bzr tag upstream-debian-1.32 -r tag:upstream-1.32" and then the "bzr import-dsc --distribution debian ...." runs smoothly21:07
Laneyomg sabnzbd got in21:15
Laneynice one jcfp!21:16
jcfpwow it actually did happen21:17
macowhat's the maintainer supposed to be on packages in multiverse which are not in debian?21:24
RainCTmaco: MOTU21:24
macobut i mean whats the actual line supposed to say then?21:24
LaneyUbuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>21:25
macoand where can i find info about Standards-Version?21:25
mok0maco:  google21:26
macoheh ok21:26
mok0:-)21:26
mok0maco: current version is 3.8.0.121:27
mok0maco: specified as 3.8.021:27
macoso thats the one in use for jaunty?21:27
mok0maco: yep21:27
macosince im not sure how this works...if i set it to 3.8.0 and it turns out the package im working on *doesn't* comply properly, does lintian tell me that?21:28
chrismurfRainCT, any luck on the gzip bug, or should I file something in LP for Revu(?)21:29
RainCTchrismurf: I'm trying, but no luck so far :/21:29
chrismurfRainCT, anything I can do to help?  Happy to peek at the apache.conf site if that's shareable information.21:30
RainCTchrismurf: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/pyproj-0902102030/pyproj_1.8.5-0ubuntu1.diff.gz21:30
RainCTerr21:30
RainCTchrismurf: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/~rainct/revu  :)21:31
chrismurfheh21:31
mok0chrismurf:  what bug is that?21:31
RainCTmok0: .diff.gz is compressed twice (once because it already is, and apparently a second time by Apache)21:32
chrismurfa wget downloaded version is fine21:32
chrismurfbut a firefox downloaded version is too big and compressed twice.21:32
chrismurf(as a result)21:32
mok0weird21:32
mok0is it some apache plugin?21:33
mok0Well as long as dget works I don't care :-)21:33
chrismurfmok0, how do you use dget with REVU?21:37
RainCTchrismurf: dget <url of the .dsc>21:38
RainCTchrismurf: and there's even a deb-src repository :)21:38
mok0chrismurf: dget -u -x http://.... path to .dsc file21:39
chrismurfRainCT, I see :-)  I'm very new to all of this.21:39
chrismurfand the current documentation is no replacement for experience ;-)21:39
mok0chrismurf: I just copy-paste the URL from the browser to the terminal21:39
chrismurfkk21:39
mok0The person that writes a plugin for firefox to do it will be a hero21:40
chrismurfRainCT, what's in /etc/apache2/mods-available/deflate.conf ?21:44
RainCTchrismurf: AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/html text/plain text/xml21:44
chrismurfdo you know offhand how apache determines MIME type?21:44
RainCTnope21:45
chrismurfwonder if it sees the .diff.gz as text/plain or something21:45
mok0AFAIK the new strategy is to snoop the first bytes of the file21:45
chrismurfis lp:revu trunk the version that's running atm?21:46
RainCTchrismurf: yes21:46
RainCTchrismurf: but there isn't anything related to this there21:46
chrismurfok - not familiar with revu, so I wasn't sure if these files were static or not21:46
chrismurfI take it they are21:47
chrismurfno headers being sent by revu21:47
RainCTchrismurf: yes, they are put into revu1-incoming when the upload is processed21:47
chrismurfk21:47
RainCTquadrispro: looking21:54
quadrisproRainCT: thanks, I'm going away now, if you will finding some issue, please add a comment :)21:55
quadrisprobye!21:55
RainCTsee you21:56
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postalchrisAnybody free to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cvc3 ?22:38
maxbpostalchris: There are lintian warnings....22:40
postalchrisIt's just the short description of 2 binary packages. Fixed in my wd22:41
RainCTkirkland: Hey. I've just installed screen-profiles from your PPA :)22:43
maxbyeah, but an upload to revu is cheap (unless you're particularly bandwidth restricted) and the first thing a potential reviewer is going to notice is that big red !22:43
* RainCT notices that kirkland is away and saves his complaints for another day :P22:46
postalchrismaxb: OK, I fixed that one. I still have a warning about not closing a LP bug23:01
maxbI'm uncertain whether people really care about that one23:04
postalchrisI fixed that and reuploaded, but now I get "This package could not be extracted"23:09
maxbdid you forget to include the orig.tar.gz in the upload?23:10
postalchrismaxb: No, it got uploaded.23:11
postalchrismaxb: I'm doing a version bump and re-upload.23:12
maxbMOTUs, where is it documented that a REVU package should contain only a single debian/changelog entry and not document its history in REVU? I'm sure I've read that somewhere but can't find the reference to back it up.23:12
pochumaxb: not sure if it's documented, but that's indeed pretty much a requirement for it to be uploaded23:13
pochufor the REVU history, you can look at the debdiffs REVU offers23:13
postalchrisOK, now it's clean, no lintian warnings... Anybody free? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/cvc3 (CVC automated theorem prover)23:13
maxbThere's absolutely no difference between ${source:Version} and ${binary:Version} except in the case of Debian automatic binary rebuilds, right?23:21
maxbREVU seems to be down?23:45
maxbpostalchris: I wrote you some comments but REVU seems to have broken23:48
maxbSo they're here instead: http://rafb.net/p/cyfdDd76.html23:48
maxbOh, it's back23:49
maxbcomments posted23:49
porthosewould a kind motu have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/quickplay :)23:51
CaesarHi23:55
CaesarWe've got three backport requests for Hardy that we're interested in getting some movement on23:56
CaesarWe're happy to do as much of the labour as possible23:56
maxbAre they filed yet?23:56
CaesarYes23:56
Caesar#320220 #320656 #32066023:57
pochuScottK: ^23:57
maxbbug 320220 bug 320656 bug 32066023:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320220 in hardy-backports "Please backport trousers from Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32022023:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320656 in hardy-backports "Please backport xl2tpd from Intrepid/Jaunty to Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32065623:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 320660 in hardy-backports "Please backport opencryptoki from Jaunty to Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32066023:57
pochuCaesar: the work basically involves building/installing/testing the package in the requested release, but I'm not a backporter...23:58
maxbCaesar: Have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports ?23:58
Caesarmaxb: yep23:58
pochuand I'm off to bed... good night all!23:59
CaesarWe're currently running the packages23:59
CaesarWe'll rebuilding them in pbuilder just to follow the steps as documented23:59
Laneyhuh23:59
maxbLooking at the trousers one - a sourceful backport is not required for that. hardy-backports has debhelper 723:59

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