[00:09]  * Madpilot smells car-computer troll in -ot
[00:09] <Madpilot> or at least someone daft enough to possibly need an educational kicking...
[00:09] <bazhang> yep
[00:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Madpilot better in -ot than in ubuntu
[00:11] <Madpilot> true, that.
[00:18] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[00:18] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[00:20] <Madpilot> troll, honestly ignorant, or just daft? (WRT our carputer chap in -ot...)
[00:21] <nickrud_> a bit of both.
[00:21] <bazhang> troll
[00:21] <nickrud_> or all three that is.
[00:21] <nickrud_> mangling stallman's name was intentional trolling, but uncertainty about hardware control from linux is real i think
[00:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Madpilot Should I not have told that user you had specific knowledge in that area?
[00:22] <Madpilot> I don't even own a car :)
[00:22] <Jack_Sparrow> See, you are an expert
[00:22] <Madpilot> pointless things, only good for getting to and from airports
[00:22]  * nickrud_ breaths a sigh of relief that canada does psych tests
[00:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Ah, so having 5 of them is.. redundent
[00:23] <nickrud_> yes. absolutely. no more than 3 (off road, long trip, and local)
[00:24] <nickrud_> or a 4th, if you often need a pickup
[00:24] <Madpilot> nickrud, there's a lovely quote from one of the FAA's former Chief Medical Examiners, something like, "We still have no reliable methods for ensuring pilots are sane." :)
[00:24] <nickrud_> Sure there is:  "I quit" :)
[00:24] <Madpilot> meh, have one discount card w/ a decent car rental outfit. End of driveway clutter.
[00:25] <Madpilot> nickrud, Catch 22
[00:25] <nickrud_> yep
[00:25] <nickrud_> glad you noticed :)
[00:25] <nickrud_> I have one, get around town car. Rent anything else
[00:26] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud_ Pickup, convertible and a couple lincoln mark VIII's and the rolling couch.. erm.. Towncar
[00:26] <jdong> ok heads up I might be banning Grant-A from #ubuntuforums shortly
[00:26] <jdong> for about one month's worth of spewing factually inaccurate nonsense and then creating a ruckus in the channel
[00:26] <Madpilot> jdong, is he/she likely to attempt to spread the love to other #u channels?
[00:26] <jdong> he's been known to pop into here almost instantly we raise our voices :)
[00:26] <nickrud_> yep, redundant. (the warning as well, it's obvious)
[00:27] <jdong> Madpilot: I hope not, I dont' think so
[00:27] <jdong> but he will almost sturely come in here and make claims against me
[00:27] <nickrud_> he's common in #ubuntu
[00:27] <nickrud_> s/common/often/ (been reading too much austen recently)
[00:28] <Madpilot> Hmm, an IRC channel that enforced Victoria English. That'd be awesome.
[00:29] <bazhang> grant-a has been spending alot of time in Arch channel
[00:29] <nickrud_> it would most definitely raise the level of discourse immediately
[00:29] <Madpilot> Or Shakespearean. You could get really, really picturesque trolling in a shakespearean channel. So good you'd want to not ban them...
[00:29] <bazhang> haha
[00:30] <nickrud_> half the time we wouldn't recognize quality trolling ;)
[00:31] <Madpilot> carputer troll seems to have restarted his trollscript from the top...
[00:33] <Madpilot> there
[00:33] <bazhang> did that output do what I think it does
[00:33] <bazhang> err terrible grammar
[00:33] <Madpilot> no idea, and I'm not about to open a term and try it
[00:34] <bazhang> oh it was __mikem who suggested it via PM
[00:35] <Madpilot> hmm
[00:39] <Madpilot> apparently it spawns an infinite number of processes and keeps going until the machine is rebooted
[00:40] <Madpilot> mikem and I just had a chat in PM on the importance of not being kickbanned for posting noob-eating terminal commands
[00:41] <nickrud_> no matter how justified?
[00:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Madpilot that should have been his second waring on that
[00:41] <Pricey> what's the command?
[00:41] <Madpilot> Pricey, see -ot a little while ago
[00:41] <Pricey> bah was looking at #ubutnu
[00:42] <Madpilot> "Try running in a terminal :(){ :|:& };:"
[00:42] <Pricey> Madpilot: ah yeah, lovely
[00:42] <vorian> :o
[00:42] <Pricey> Madpilot: btw, the end of mibbit hosts are randomly generated on each connection
[00:42] <Pricey> Madpilot: ban instead the ident
[00:43] <Pricey> mode +b *!?=47e84e24@*
[00:43] <Madpilot> lazy op takes lazy scripted way to kickban. If he was going to come back and keep trolling, he'd likely have tried to come back right away.
[00:47] <Flannel> Or you can ban the IP
[00:47] <Flannel>  /wii the mibbit user and you get the real IP
[00:47] <Flannel> (as the realname) you can then ban it (just like normal) and floodbots won't allow them exceptions
[00:48] <Flannel> I suppose in -ot that won't work with the exceptions.  But a +d on the realname (which is actually the IP) should work
[02:15] <bazhang> psufan (i=47e84e24@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bd004bf5fa919dc0) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic  back in -ot
[06:37] <prince_jammys> nick:bruenig at #ubuntu. trolling hard, as usual
[06:37] <prince_jammys> adios
[06:37] <nickrud> Madpilot, you read back faster than I 
[06:38] <prince_jammys> heh, everyone but the real troll got booted
[06:40] <Madpilot> bugger, now mindrape is bandodging
[06:40] <Madpilot> I'd kb just on that nick, almost...
[06:40] <bazhang> its him
[06:40] <prince_jammys> he was being pretty helpful. bruenig likes to start these fights. i've seen it many times. also on other channels
[06:40] <nickrud> bruenig can also be very much an instigator
[06:40] <bazhang> they are laughing about it in arch-ot
[06:40] <prince_jammys> nickrud: he's an expert
[06:41] <bazhang> including bruenig
[06:42] <bazhang> mindrape_ is thewizord
[06:42] <bazhang> not mindrape who just got kb;d
[06:44] <bazhang>  <bruenig> we got a srs contributor banned
[06:44] <Madpilot> bleh
[06:45] <nickrud> yeah, I recognized two of them as often useful, why I started with talk
 as if both of you were tag team trolling me 
[06:45] <Madpilot> I may have jumped the gun w/ a quick look thru scrollback
[06:45] <Madpilot> and that unpleasant nick...
[06:46] <prince_jammys> he was clever. he made it look like he was the victim
[06:46] <nickrud> yeah, it rubs me wrong as well.
 we need to get a paste of that whole thing 
[06:47] <bazhang> from arch-ot ^^
[06:48] <bazhang> thewizord is a regular in #ubuntuforums as well
[06:49] <nickrud> bazhang, how many channels you in normally?
[06:49] <bazhang> nickrud, 13-14
[06:49]  * nickrud thinks age must be the cause of his inability to pay usable attention to that many
[07:25] <Myrtti> morning
[07:31] <Flannel> Panty raid?  Serioiusly?
[07:32] <Myrtti> what where
[07:35] <Flannel> next thing he gets is a forward here.
[07:35] <Flannel> or a ban I suppose, depending on said actions
[07:35] <Myrtti> yup
[07:38] <nickrud> is that failfailtroll again?
[07:42] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[07:42] <Myrtti> I'd say IdleOne is now the unflexible one
[07:43] <nickrud> no, I understand completely. My boss is the same. 
[07:43] <Flannel> nickrud: I just don't see how they're inable to run a different program, but he's going to try and convince them to install something.
[07:44] <Flannel> (and then run that other different program)
[07:44] <nickrud> that was miscommunication there, I think more than anything. Probably means he'd be better off driving 500 miles to configure it himself rather than walking the guy through it
[07:46] <nickrud> my boss still thinks the 'internet' is windows explorer. I've gone over and over it, but the 'internet' is explorer and email is express
[07:46] <Flannel> yep.  Blue E to get to the internet
[07:46] <Flannel> Lets just be thankful they don't spell it enternet.
[07:46] <nickrud> oh god
[07:47] <Flannel> "Why is it an 'e'? why not an 'i' for internet?"
[07:47] <Myrtti> because at 1995 eAnything was hip
[07:47] <Flannel> "because it stands for internet Exploder, not just internet"
[07:48] <Flannel> Myrtti: the eInternet? ;)
[07:48] <Myrtti> that too
[07:48] <nickrud> still uses a 6 year old version of nikon's photo management software. That constantly forgets its settings. Which I have to go fix regularly.
[07:59] <Flannel> Hi Digital7, how can we help you?
[08:00] <Digital7> ah, thanks for the warm welcome -- i was actually just coming to scope this channel out after a little event went down in #ubuntu
[08:01] <Flannel> Which event is that?
[08:01] <Digital7> if you would like to know though, it was because of someone named mindrape getting banned
[08:01] <Digital7> there was a scuffle between three or four people
[08:02] <Digital7> how long are bans enforced there?
[08:03] <Flannel> Depends on the incident and the attitude of those involved, etc.  We don't generally comment on other people's bans, as thats a private issue.
[08:03] <Digital7> understood, i was just curious because he said he would be returning tomorrow -- and would assist me if his ban was lifted
[08:04] <Digital7> the only reason i took interest in this particular incident is because he was a relatively helpful person
[08:04] <Flannel> If you're here by proxy for one of the parties involved, its best if they come and we can discuss it, etc.
[08:04] <Digital7> i am not affiliated with him..and have no means of contact
[08:04] <Flannel> Digital7: Well, the best thing to do in the meantime is to ask your question in #ubuntu, and see if someone else can help you.  I'd fathom a guess that someone would.
[08:05] <Digital7> certainly..i'm sure i can resolve the issue without him
[08:06] <Flannel> Digital7: Bans are certainly not forever (unless you're a perpetual repeat offender), I know some people apparently come from communities where they are, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me personally.
[08:07] <Flannel> but I wasn't around earlier so I haven't any specifics to give.
[08:07] <Digital7> i had someone dig up the log and pastebin it for me if you care to look
[08:07] <Digital7> i don't doubt the banning op's motives though, he did retaliate
[08:08] <Digital7> but it's just a shame
[08:08] <Digital7> http://pastebin.com/m3df62f18 if you would like to see it
[08:08] <Digital7> sorry--wait just a second, i believe i pasted the wrong pastebin
[08:08] <Flannel> Digital7: sometimes people get caught up in the moment or whatnot, it happens; and bans are a tool we can use to diffuse that situation and allow parties involved some time to cool off, etc.
[08:09] <Flannel> Digital7: It's alright.  I've got the logs in my buffer.
[08:09] <Digital7> it was definitely one of those moments
[08:10] <Flannel> Digital7: Is there anything else we can help ou with today?
[08:12] <Digital7> that's all for now, unless you would like to elaborate on the requisites to be an op here
[08:12] <Digital7> this is actually the first time i have ever seen admin intervention in the ubuntu channel, so i'm unfamiliar with the ops concept
[08:13] <Flannel> Pretty standard, you have to be a respected member of the community, you're asked to become one, etc.  The normal stuff (and no, that's not exhaustive, I just can't come up with anything good at the moment)
[08:13] <Flannel> Digital7: In a perfect world, you'd never have to see ops doing anything.
[08:14] <Digital7> does !ops broadcast in this channel then?
[08:14] <Digital7> to summon help
[08:15] <Flannel> wEll, it highlights us all in the respective channels, that's generally the most direct result.
[08:15] <Digital7> ah, i do recall seeing the list of names come up
[08:15] <Digital7> nice concept
[08:16] <Digital7> basic and powerful
[08:21] <Flannel> Digital7: If there's nothing else, we ask you don't idle in here, so we can keep track of who has and hasn't been helped.  Thanks.
[08:23] <Digital7> Flannel: sure thing. take care
[10:17]  * Myrtti yawns
[10:23] <Myrtti> I should get some coffee going
[10:23] <Myrtti> and milk
[10:23] <Tm_T> Myrtti: come and bring milk with you, so I'll make coffee
[11:25] <Gary> coffee!
[11:26] <ikonia> morning ladies and gents
[11:35] <Myrtti> tuna sammich ♥ 
[11:35] <ikonia> nice
[12:04] <ikonia> another gentle nudge while others are awake, can you check this list http://alesi.projecthugo.co.uk/banlist.txt to see if any of these bans should NOT be removed
[12:07] <Myrtti> whoa.
[12:07] <Myrtti> http://i.gizmodo.com/5150341/the-complete-animated-history-of-the-internet
[12:08] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[12:08] <Myrtti> I wonder if is.trapped.in.themetaverse.org is one of the subhosts of silenceisdefeat
[12:08] <ikonia> jussi01: pong
[12:08] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[12:08] <ikonia> already there
[12:14] <Myrtti> ikonia: for some reason I'd prefer we'd keep is.trapped.in.themetaverse.org banned as well.
[12:15] <Myrtti> I just checked 'whois themetaverse.org' and I'm not happy with what I see
[12:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: some of them have bad sites - but some of them have not been active for 6+ months
[12:16] <Myrtti> the contact info for registrant, admin or tech contacts doesn't make me happy
[12:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: just trying to balance an old ban that's not been seen for a long time against what's still active
[12:16] <ikonia> must dash, chat in 20
[12:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: any your unhappy with I'll remove 
[12:16] <Myrtti> "
[12:16] <Myrtti> Tech Street1:123 Sesame St
[12:16] <Myrtti> Tech Street2:
[12:16] <Myrtti> Tech Street3:
[12:16] <Myrtti> Tech City:Gayville
[12:17] <Myrtti> "
[12:17] <Myrtti> Admin Phone:+1.8005551212
[13:04] <jussi01> rofl
[13:59] <Myrtti> @bansearch spook
[13:59] <Myrtti> @bansearch *!*@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au
[13:59] <Myrtti> he's going to fly soon
[14:00] <Pici> Indeed.
[14:02] <Pici> Muted. and he left.
[14:32]  * genii makes a triple-strength pot of coffee, for the brave
[14:32] <ikonia> I'm in 
[14:32] <Myrtti> +1
[14:33]  * genii hands ikonia and Myrtti large mugs of the rocket-fuel
[14:34] <genii> I left work at 1:15am, got home ~2, slept around 3 and woke up again for work at 8 .... so I'm kinda punchy until I drink a few of those
[14:35] <Pici> Hrm. 14 people connected from the same IP idling in #ubuntu...
[14:36] <genii> Some proxy?
[14:36] <Myrtti> Pici: which ip?
[14:36] <Pici> 81.57.251.185
[14:36] <Pici> They're all in #TSIGA too
[14:36] <ikonia> can we look at the vbox factoid
[14:36] <ikonia> referencing gutsy 
[14:36] <Pici> gutsy is still supported.
[14:36] <ikonia> totally
[14:37] <ikonia> but shouldn't be "gutsy onwards"
[14:37] <Pici> sure
[14:59] <Pici> @login
[15:01] <ikonia> Pici: can you also check http://alesi.projecthugo.co.uk/banlist.txt please
[15:02] <ikonia> Pici: see if there are any obvious ones in there that you'd like to keep 
[15:02] <ikonia> I think a few where yours
[15:04] <Pici> ikonia: I'll take a look
[15:04] <ikonia> no rush, not doing anything for a while
[15:04] <ikonia> just didn't think I'd spoke to you about it
[15:05] <Pici> You hadn't :)
[15:06] <Pici> ogmz
[15:06] <Myrtti> ogmzzzz
[15:09] <genii> The devolution begins...
[15:09] <nickspoon> The question is, why would you gzip an ogm?
[15:25] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu infokill trolling
[15:25] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu infokill411 trolling
[15:32] <Pici> ikonia: fyi. removes don't trigger people's autorejoin scripts
[15:33] <ikonia> thats handy to know
[15:33] <ikonia> I actually hope a few of them come back but a kick wakes them up
[15:33] <Pici> Agreed.
[15:40] <ikonia> @btlogin
[16:33] <Myrtti> ikonia: does your list include bans of Floodbots?
[16:34] <Myrtti> there's lots of banforwards to #ubuntu-read-topic from ages long gone
[16:35] <Myrtti> which I think could be safely assumed that they will not even try to rejoin #ubuntu and should be removed
[16:35] <ikonia> Myrtti: no
[16:35] <ikonia> Myrtti: all manmade or "automated addition"
[18:03] <Myrtti> hello wikkedfin 
[18:04] <wikkedfin> hi
[18:04] <wikkedfin> sup
[18:05] <Myrtti> was just wondering what you were trying to achieve by versioning #ubuntu
[18:05] <wikkedfin> i didnt andhow did i get in this chan i should be in #ubuntu
[18:06] <wikkedfin> hmmm
[18:06] <Myrtti> you're here just so we can satisfy our curiosity
[18:06] <Myrtti> [06:43] wikkedfin [n=wikkedfi@75-170-237-59.desm.qwest.net] requested CTCP  VERSION from #ubuntu
[18:07] <Myrtti> that's 0443 UTC time
[18:07] <wikkedfin> so you forced me in here?
[18:07] <Myrtti> yup. We'd like to know if it was accidental or what were you trying to achieve
[18:07] <wikkedfin> i didnt mean to do it
[18:08] <wikkedfin> is it a bad thing i did?
[18:08] <Myrtti> to do it on the whole channel, yes.
[18:08] <wikkedfin> how so?
[18:08] <Myrtti> you can ask people, and they'll answer if they want to
[18:09] <wikkedfin> so who are you?
[18:09] <Myrtti> me specifically or everyone on this channel?
[18:09] <wikkedfin> both?
[18:10] <Myrtti> for the latter the answer lies in the channel topic, which you can see with typing /topic in your irc client
[18:10] <Myrtti> for the afforementioned, I'm one of the people taking care of #ubuntu
[18:10] <wikkedfin> oic
[18:11]  * Myrtti pokes Pici 
[18:11] <wikkedfin> so i cant go in ubuntu anymore eh?
[18:11] <Myrtti> that remains to be discussed
[18:12] <wikkedfin> with whom?
[18:12] <Myrtti> in general, issuing ctcp commands to a whole channel is not a good idea
[18:12] <Myrtti> if you're not familiar to your IRC client, you're welcome to ask on #ubuntu or the channel of the client itself what they do
[18:13] <wikkedfin> so im ban from a chan due to a ctcp of a channel
[18:13] <Myrtti> doing so will prevent you from doing stuff that might be embarassing, unsafe or both.
[18:14] <wikkedfin> what is it gonna hurt tho?
[18:14] <wikkedfin> i mean why did they build it into the irc client if its so bad?
[18:15] <Myrtti> why do they manufacture machine guns if its so bad?
[18:15] <Myrtti> hunting deer isn't the correct answer
[18:15] <wikkedfin> thats not answering my question
[18:15] <wikkedfin> you cant answer a question with a question
[18:16] <Myrtti> no, but it gives you something to think about which will ultimately bring you to the correct answer through your own insight
[18:17] <wikkedfin> so your telling me you all have to "talk" about letting me back in?
[18:17] <Myrtti> the real answer is: I don't know. However, CTCPing a whole channel, especially the size of #ubuntu, is frowned upon and has been considered bad behaviour since early days of IRC
[18:17] <wikkedfin> well like i said i didnt mean to
[18:17] <wikkedfin> so you cant leave it at that an let me back in?
[18:18] <Myrtti> what I'd like to hear from you is a promise that you will not do it again in any of the Ubuntu IRC channels.
[18:18] <wikkedfin> thats funny
[18:19] <Myrtti> oh? we have this policy about escalation
[18:19] <wikkedfin> ?
[18:20] <Myrtti> your ctcp and the subsequent banning has been logged. If you want to get back into #ubuntu, you'll have to promise not to do it again, and if you do, you'll be banned again, and that time the unbanning will not happen this fast.
[18:21] <wikkedfin> well like i said i didnt mean to do it
[18:21] <wikkedfin> i wont do it again...
[18:21] <wikkedfin> i dont even know how i did it to tell you the truth
[18:21] <Myrtti> and you also acknowledge that if you do, you will be banned again?
[18:21] <wikkedfin> ya
[18:21] <Myrtti> thank you.
[18:21] <Myrtti> hold on...
[18:22] <wikkedfin> r u server admin?
[18:22] <Myrtti> try joining #ubuntu now
[18:22] <wikkedfin> thx
[18:22] <Myrtti> no, I'm not
[18:22] <wikkedfin> so like
[18:22] <wikkedfin> if you ban how do you transfer ppl?
[18:23] <wikkedfin> hello
[18:23] <Myrtti> wikkedfin: if you want to know, some of the magic is on http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[18:24] <Myrtti> if there's anything else, you're free to leave the channel now
[18:24] <Myrtti> s/there's/there's not/
[18:25] <wikkedfin> i cant idle ?
[18:25]  * wikkedfin lol
[18:25] <Myrtti> nope
[18:25] <Myrtti> !idle
[18:25] <wikkedfin> ha
[18:25] <wikkedfin> !help
[18:25] <wikkedfin> u a programm for ubuntu?
[18:26] <Myrtti> huh?
[18:28] <Myrtti> do explain
[18:28] <wikkedfin> you aprogrammer for ubuntu?
[18:29] <Myrtti> no? what does that have to do with Ubuntu IRC channels?
[18:31] <Myrtti> hello
[18:31] <wikkedfin> umm
[18:31] <wikkedfin> c ya
[18:32]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[18:49] <mneptok> missed saving throw. you're blind.
[20:03] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[22:32] <Myrtti> I'm so going to kick that inkvisitor guy from -ot soon
[22:33] <topyli> heh, go ahead
[22:33] <topyli> not a very long lasting joke
[22:34] <jussi01> he is annoying...
[22:34]  * genii sips
[22:35] <topyli> i do think there's some struggling going on with a cyrillic keyboard or something
[22:35] <Myrtti> sure - but it still doesn't take away HIS BLATANT TROLLING
[22:36] <topyli> nope
[22:36] <jussi01> lets jsut see where it goes...
[22:37] <Myrtti> jussi01: are you serious?
[22:38] <jussi01> Myrtti: yes. for a ittle while. if it doenst continue alls good. 
[22:50] <Myrtti> right - I'm definitely too tired for this
[23:27] <jdong> yes it is
[23:30] <nickrud_> I bet a lot of people go all red when they realize those 'private' messages weren't so private
[23:32] <jussi01> arrrrghhh, this is really beginning to annoy me :(
[23:33]  * jussi01 doesnt understand why this is: ? MetaMode 1 of Screen 0 has more than two active display devices.
[23:33] <jussi01> I mean, why its not allowed?
[23:33] <jussi01> sorry, should grumble too much here :/