[00:00] Let me see if I have an 8.10 I can look in [00:00] thx, charlie [00:00] In Gnome it is in system sounds [00:01] no problem, I keep several versions on hard drives [00:01] is it just the terminal you are wanting to de-beep? put "set bell-style visible" in your ~/.bashrc [00:03] no it's in every textbox [00:04] hmm [00:04] wait a minute, i haven't heard any sounds besides this beep [00:04] ah, well, you still may want that change in your bashrc so that you get a visual alert [00:04] what kinds of things are good to do to your Xubuntu install to make it 1337?? :p [00:05] What is a 1337? [00:05] dude... [00:05] ...you don't know what 31337 is? [00:05] charlie-tca: are you serioous? it is noob speak for elite [00:05] I don't know these things [00:06] well... [00:06] 31337 = really cool [00:06] I never most of the shortcut speak [00:06] or like...really good i guess? [00:07] 31337 == ELEET == Elite :) [00:07] s/never most/never learned most/ [00:07] 3E...wow those are totally backwards...i never realized that [00:07] ah, well then I was wondering if you where asking for a definition or philosophical discussion [00:07] haha [00:08] yeah, definition [00:08] oh-oh, cody-somerville just went away... [00:08] get out... [00:09] he's our develment leader, and upgrading to Jaunty today [00:09] what is Jaunty? [00:09] s/develment/development [00:09] the name of the upcoming version [00:09] Jaunty is the next version of Xubuntu to be released [00:10] ooOOOoo [00:10] * charlie-tca must be tired, getting slow and can't spell [00:10] who's 'our' ? [00:10] Xubuntu [00:10] oh [00:10] i just realized. i don't have any sound.. [00:11] Oh, good. That should be normal with 8.10 [00:11] so...what do you mean he's upgrading to Jaunty today? [00:11] he is upgrading one of his workstations, to the alpha versions [00:11] He's going to run the development version to help him get it ready [00:11] charlie, how do you check the name of your soundcard ? [00:11] ahh [00:11] i can't remember mine [00:11] lspci [00:12] The card drivers are probably loaded, you need to turn it on in [00:12] the L's in XChat look really weird [00:12] lllll [00:12] alsa-mixer? [00:13] okay i don't see any soundcard at all.. [00:13] but i'm sure it's there haha [00:13] Hi there. Is anyone on the channel that has taken part in the CD Distribution discussion on the mailing list? [00:13] G-Blunted: You are using monospaced font [00:13] lcafiero: I have been following it [00:13] is that bad? [00:13] G-Blunted: no, it just has letters designed to be easy to tell what they are [00:14] charlie-tca: Okay. [00:14] lI1; note the differences [00:14] charlie, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [00:14] charlie-tca: Do you think it's okay to continue on the mailing list, since it seems to be a developer list? [00:14] wha??? [00:14] Yes, I think that is the best place for it [00:14] hmm [00:14] well that sound like a good thing... [00:15] okay, thanks. [00:15] i hate getting I l and 1 mixed up [00:15] lcafiero: If it were in off-topics or users support, the devels won't know what is happening there [00:15] G-Blunted: Many fonts make them look the same [00:15] but you're right...this one doesn't :) [00:15] Monospaced makes it different [00:15] that is good...i like it :) [00:16] no more trickery [00:16] It's easy to use when you are looking at the screen a lot [00:16] |l1i <--oh what character did i really put there? [00:16] i hate that [00:16] Looks like the pipe, small ell, number 1, little i. [00:16] yup! [00:17] you must be using a monospaced font [00:17] I use the DejaVu Monospace [00:17] what is that? [00:17] !dejavu [00:17] Sorry, I don't know anything about dejavu [00:17] I use the DejaVu fonts for almost everything. It is one of the font styles [00:18] Almost the same as the defaults [00:18] hmm..how can i try those? [00:18] charlie-tca: got it. [00:18] :-) [00:19] G-Blunted: click on Settings, Preferences, Text box. Browse the fonts choices [00:19] okay [00:19] dimsum: You don't have an audio or multimedia card in lspci? [00:19] hi there [00:19] nope [00:20] what to do? what to do? [00:20] hi, cell [00:20] is there anyway to check what soundcard is really plugged in? [00:20] so then maybe i can download and install the drivers [00:21] Try here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound [00:21] Under Old Sound Cards [00:21] last time i remember this is soundblaster awe 64 [00:21] yes, this is old skool stuff haha [00:22] Yeah, the awe64 doesn't detect [00:22] aww crap. so what now ? [00:22] Still running an ISA card [00:22] when i set up xubuntu in "virtual box" it runs good. but after reset xubunu run not frum virtual disk in "virtual box" can any body help me on this subject [00:22] dimsum: the wiki page... [00:22] what ISA btw? it's not PCI ? [00:23] Mine is ISA, which came out first, then PCI, then PCIE [00:23] Well, AGP, then PCIE [00:23] cell: Are you running virtualbox in linux? [00:23] if you look at it, is there any difference between PCI and ISA ? [00:24] charlie-tca, no virtual box isrunning on windows xp [00:24] i know AGP had a slightly bigger port. [00:24] dimsum: yes, ISA connector edge has contacts about 1/8" wide, PCI has contacts about 1/32" wide. They are very noticeable [00:25] charlie: good god, you remember the dimensions? [00:25] PCI contacts are about the thickness of the tip of the ball-point pen [00:25] No, I'm guessing. [00:26] It's just so visible when you see them [00:26] cell: are you getting any error messages? [00:27] it is so suprisig.. i have gat no error. [00:27] dimsum: when you set all the cards side-by-side, you can tell each one by the contacts [00:27] but same i can run wn98 on virtual box [00:28] same way [00:28] yes, i remember. [00:28] cell: so win98 works, but xubuntu can't find the hard drive? [00:29] charlie: is there anyway to be sure that my soundcard is really awe64 ? [00:29] charlie: like a hardware detection or something ? [00:29] then can we not run xubuntu in virtually? [00:29] It would say it right on the card. But it probably is. [00:30] cell: yes, I do it all the time. but if it tells you it can't find the hard drive, perhaps something happened to the virtual dirve [00:30] s/dirve/drive [00:31] cell: did you create two separate drives, one for windows 98 and one for xubuntu? [00:32] charlie: heyy what do you know "sudo modprobe snd-sbawe" seems to have done it.. [00:32] Isn't that help wiki nice? [00:32] charlie-tca, yes, each one has different virtual disk on host disk [00:33] cell: I'm out of ideas. You could try the VirtualBox forums [00:33] charlie: yes, it's really nice [00:34] thanks charlie-tca [00:34] Wish I could have helped you. [00:34] screw utorrent USE DELUGE [00:34] transmission [00:35] cell: you could also try #vbox [00:40] charlie: how do i test u i have a working sound ? [00:40] charlie-tca, hmm thank again i ll look there now [00:40] charlie: how do i test that i have a working sound ? [00:41] transmission is ok [00:41] I like deluge better [00:41] to get the latest version you have to go to its site [00:41] though [00:43] dimsum: I go to /usr/share/sounds/purple and click on each one [00:47] charlie: crap, still no sound [00:47] you still gotta turn in on. [00:47] do you have the volume control on the panel? [00:49] yes but it's empty [00:50] just a rectangular gray box [00:50] how do i turn it on ? [00:50] Then alsa-mixer doesn't know about the card yet [00:51] ahh the beep is back.. [00:51] how do i tell it then ? [00:51] Try Applications -> Multimedia -> Alsamixergui , maybe [00:52] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [00:52] -_-.. [00:52] did you restart after adding it? [00:52] ahh [00:52] should i? [00:52] Yes, makes the modprobe take effect [00:53] see you after the jump then charlie. [00:53] okay [00:57] charlie-tca [00:57] charlie-tca: it's not working..-_- [00:58] The card shows up now, right? [00:58] no [00:58] huh? [00:59] i tried the alsamixergui and it still shows the same error [01:00] charlie [01:00] Your card is not showing up in the system, is it? [01:00] but if i try sudo alsamixergui it shows up [01:01] yeah? [01:01] make sure nothing is muted [01:03] Also, turn the volume up on the panel volume control [01:05] i can't do that [01:05] if i click on let say half-a-bar [01:06] does it go up [01:06] no [01:06] Time for this one then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting [01:06] the bar goes empty rightaway [01:06] open a terminal and type 'alsamixer' and hit enter. no quotes [01:07] If it opens, it is all keyboard, not mouse [01:07] i need sudo to do that [01:07] not supposed to [01:08] if im not using sudo it will go like this [01:08] that would mean the module is loaded wrong [01:08] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [01:08] Then something is not right. [01:08] Time for the Troubleshooting page [01:08] will do [01:09] bingo [01:09] * adamm9 (n=adam@68-116-201-58.dhcp.oxfr.ma.ch [01:09] oops [01:09] heh [01:09] aplay: device_list:215: no soundcards found... [01:09] Then it is not loaded right [01:10] sorry adamm9 i hit the ctrl+c at the wrong window [01:10] np [01:12] charlie: how do i do this "If the modules are already installed, check to see whether your hardware is recognizing the sound card as installed " ?? [01:12] what you did with aplay [01:12] still no soundcards found [01:12] now you should do the sudo aptitude line, and restart [01:13] ok it's installing [01:13] "After installing the modules, you will need to reboot. " is a restart, not even just a logout. [01:13] will do [01:13] >.> or go buy a sound card that is supported with your system when you first install it [01:13] Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.27-11-generic [01:13] Yeah, that too [01:14] xenocide: any good recommendation? [01:14] wait a minute [01:14] the Yamaha series equivilant to the Sound Blaster PCI 512 is compatable (as is the sound blaster PCI 512) [01:14] i use a Yamaha XG724 or something like that [01:15] most built in sound cards like the AC'97 is compatable [01:15] xeno: this pc doesnt have any built in soundcard [01:16] built in = on board right ? [01:16] ebay.com is your friend [01:16] a yamaha XG724 is like 5 bucks [01:16] yeah [01:16] its a good sound card, has a midi/game port [01:17] maybe i'll buy some memory also. mine only got about 300mb ram [01:18] 312 or so.. [01:18] dimsum: they really don't exist [01:18] model is Yamaha XG YMF724F-V and it was plug and play [01:18] installer recognised and installed proper drivers [01:19] charlie: what ? [01:19] xeno: i'll jot that down. [01:19] The linux modules don't exist in 8.10 [01:19] ive had this sound card for years, its just as good as current on board sound cards [01:20] charlie: so what can i do ? [01:20] on windows it has some synthesizers specifically for this sound card, im sure linux has a synthesyzer that would work with it, if you cared to get one :P [01:20] nah [01:21] this pc is only used for facebook and youtube [01:21] i was almost not surprised this sound card was compatable upon installer [01:21] I don know. I have used up my knowledge. It may be because of that kernel. [01:21] I have seen a lot of bugs for sound in intrepid [01:21] so that's it then? buy a new soundcard ? [01:22] charlie: thanks a lot for your help [01:22] might be easier if you have tried to get your current one working properly with the drivers it should have [01:22] np, Wish we could make it work [01:22] a sound blaster PCI 512 is the standard sound card and im sure its compatable, it might be easier to find than my yamaha [01:23] i believe mine is ISA bus card.. [01:23] ISA? the black one? [01:23] O.o [01:24] ISA bus was located at the bottom of the motherboard correct ? [01:24] oh yeah good luck finding an ISA sound card that you dont have to go through hell to run on linux, better off getting PCI [01:24] its a long black port, as aposed to the short white ones [01:24] this is a 10 year old pc xeno. [01:24] mine is too [01:24] Hey how do you do like....zoom...? [01:25] i have a P2 which originally had a 266MHz cpu [01:25] i need a magnifying glass type of thing [01:25] its upgraded to a 333 [01:25] for my desktop [01:25] i have ISA ports [01:25] computer [01:25] two of them [01:25] 333? goood god, mine is 500 [01:25] and they are located at the bottom of the board [01:25] ;) [01:25] xeno, how bout ram ? [01:25] i have AGP 2x, 4 PCI and 2 ISA [01:25] 192 :P [01:25] 192 ?!?!?! [01:25] max of 768, i just cant afford it [01:26] kinda slow i presume ? [01:26] not bad on xubuntu [01:26] * charlie-tca wonders if his antique all ISA board is worth anything yet [01:26] compared to kubuntu [01:26] what CPU charlie? [01:26] is it a 386 or 486 [01:26] i was using xp, tinyxp, ubuntu and at last xubuntu [01:26] 33MHz [01:27] or *cough* 286 [01:27] No, not 386 or 486 [01:27] well of course its 33MHz [01:27] its a 286? [01:27] yeah, an old NEC [01:27] hmm [01:27] I think it has a total of 8MB RAM [01:27] removable or soldered cpu [01:27] my god.. i thought a had the oldest pc around [01:27] soldered [01:27] prolly not worth much [01:28] Uses SIMMS [01:28] if it was a 386 slot cpu it might be worth a bit [01:28] Even got the daughterboard [01:28] those can be upgraded to an 80MHz 486DX2 which can be overclocked to run at 160MHz [01:28] but you guys have more respectable pc for work don't you ? [01:28] id say [01:28] of course. Can't really use that one [01:29] Yeah, they were a speed demon in comparison [01:29] put a running dos 6.22 or old linux OS (maybe with a simple x or similar gui) supply a 4MB graphics card, word processor, and you might be able to sell it as a glorified type write [01:29] r [01:29] But this one was faster than my 25MHz [01:30] Fits right in with what a lot of people use their latest thing cpu's for, doesn't it [01:30] im not sure what linux distro would run on a 33MHz 286 [01:30] I don't know, might be worth looking into for fun, though [01:30] you could set it up as a kids computer :) lol [01:30] They can't play games on it. [01:31] yea they can! [01:31] theres plenty of games a 33MHz 286 can run [01:31] such as ? [01:31] Well, that's true. I forgot. [01:31] and a child 3 to 5 probably wouldnt know the difference [01:31] look up dos games on google [01:31] ahh dos games [01:31] :) [01:31] lots of dos games available [01:31] as well [01:32] i remember playing paratrooper when i was younger [01:32] any QBasic game [01:32] Hey, it did run windows, too [01:32] win 3.11 [01:32] it run windows?! [01:32] thats all it could have run [01:32] but [01:32] you need the turbo button on to be able to use it properly [01:32] Yeah, early windows... but it ran it. [01:32] 33 to 66MHz [01:32] hahahaha the turbo button [01:32] :D [01:32] I ran with turbo on full time [01:32] i have a pentium pro dual cpu unit over here [01:33] dual 200mhz cpu's [01:33] Yes, cpu's higher than the hard drives were back then [01:33] it's like living in the past doesn't it ? [01:33] charlie [01:33] dos 6.22 and windows 3.11 is freeware [01:34] I did not think microsoft released 3.11 from licenses, even though they won't support it. [01:34] if it uses 30 pin simm it can run up to 64 or 128mb ram via 16mb simms (4 or 8 slot configurations) [01:34] well [01:34] I have both here, but haven't loaded them [01:35] google it [01:35] oh [01:35] lol [01:35] 30 pin? It was 72 pin [01:35] install it :P [01:35] its got 72pin simms? [01:35] I believe so [01:35] that doesnt make sense [01:35] 72 pin simms go up to 512 with 8 256 with 4 [01:35] It was a new system [01:36] my pentium pro uses 72 pin simms [01:36] they are oh... lemmi check' [01:36] No, you got 72 pin dimms [01:36] lol i promise they are simm [01:36] simms sat at an angle on the motherboard, and did not use the snap locks on the sides [01:37] they are bout 4 inches long [01:37] wow, you guys were like talking about rocket science to me. [01:37] you install simms at an angle, and pop them into metal prongs [01:37] and simms, too? My memory is faded, maybe [01:37] Yeah, and be careful you don't break them [01:37] lol [01:37] Hated em [01:38] simms come in configurations of 30 and 72 pins [01:38] the earliest comps using 30 pins [01:38] such as the old apple classic series [01:38] and they did not come cheap, either [01:38] and the SE SE/30 [01:38] nope [01:39] they arent too bad today [01:39] you can pick up 8 16mb simms for ~35 bucks on ebay [01:39] I hadn't even tried. This system has 3 GB in it. [01:39] 72 pin simms i have no idea [01:39] lol [01:39] They cost a lot, even now. [01:39] the joys of today :D [01:40] :P [01:40] does it use the old ATA or SCSI? [01:40] ATA, 65MB [01:40] ahh [01:40] first gen IDE [01:40] and that was big [01:40] brb guys i need a restart.. [01:40] you can get about 2GB on that system [01:40] Yeah, today [01:40] fat16 (aka fat) doesnt support more than 2GB [01:41] I have a couple, too [01:41] though you could partition a larger drive several times i believe [01:41] Used to use the Maxtor Disk Manager to partition the big drives [01:41] :D [01:42] I think Western Digital had one too [01:42] you can do it on any windows 98 system [01:42] XP drops fat16 format completely [01:42] I couldn't do it with DOS. [01:42] nope [01:42] Yeah, but I never got past windows 3.1 [01:42] fdisk will not format a drive larger than 2gb other than to 2gb [01:42] you have to do it under a windows 98 system [01:43] That's why you use the Disk Manager [01:43] you can format a 200GB IDE drive 100 times to 2GB partitions and put it in there [01:43] ahh [01:43] so you ran this disk manager under a newer windows system so you could format to fat16? [01:43] Yes, I remember doing that to a 20GB, I think it was [01:44] ah [01:44] yes i did that once too [01:44]