[00:00] <charlie-tca> Let me see if I have an 8.10 I can look in
[00:00] <dimsum> thx, charlie
[00:00] <charlie-tca> In Gnome it is in system sounds
[00:01] <charlie-tca> no problem, I keep several versions on hard drives
[00:01] <zoredache> is it just the terminal you are wanting to de-beep?  put "set bell-style visible" in your ~/.bashrc
[00:03] <dimsum> no it's in every textbox
[00:04] <G-Blunted> hmm
[00:04] <dimsum> wait a minute, i haven't heard any sounds besides this beep
[00:04] <zoredache> ah, well, you still may want that change in your bashrc so that you get a visual alert
[00:04] <G-Blunted> what kinds of things are good to do to your Xubuntu install to make it 1337?? :p
[00:05] <charlie-tca> What is a 1337?
[00:05] <G-Blunted> dude...
[00:05] <G-Blunted> ...you don't know what 31337 is?
[00:05] <zoredache> charlie-tca: are you serioous?  it is noob speak for elite
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I don't know these things
[00:06] <G-Blunted> well...
[00:06] <G-Blunted> 31337 = really cool
[00:06] <charlie-tca> I never most of the shortcut speak
[00:06] <G-Blunted> or like...really good i guess?
[00:07] <G-Blunted> 31337 == ELEET == Elite :)
[00:07] <charlie-tca> s/never most/never learned most/
[00:07] <G-Blunted> 3E...wow those are totally backwards...i never realized that
[00:07] <zoredache> ah, well then I was wondering if you where asking for a definition or philosophical discussion
[00:07] <G-Blunted> haha
[00:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, definition
[00:08] <charlie-tca> oh-oh, cody-somerville just went away...
[00:08] <G-Blunted> get out...
[00:09] <charlie-tca> he's our develment leader, and upgrading to Jaunty today
[00:09] <G-Blunted> what is Jaunty?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> s/develment/development
[00:09] <zoredache> the name of the upcoming version
[00:09] <charlie-tca> Jaunty is the next version of Xubuntu to be released
[00:10] <G-Blunted> ooOOOoo
[00:10]  * charlie-tca must be tired, getting slow and can't spell
[00:10] <G-Blunted> who's 'our' ?
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu
[00:10] <G-Blunted> oh
[00:10] <dimsum> i just realized. i don't have any sound..
[00:11] <charlie-tca> Oh, good. That should be normal with 8.10
[00:11] <G-Blunted> so...what do you mean he's upgrading to Jaunty today?
[00:11] <zoredache> he is upgrading one of his workstations, to the alpha versions
[00:11] <charlie-tca> He's going to run the development version to help him get it ready
[00:11] <dimsum> charlie, how do you check the name of your soundcard ?
[00:11] <G-Blunted> ahh
[00:11] <dimsum> i can't remember mine
[00:11] <charlie-tca> lspci
[00:12] <charlie-tca> The card drivers are probably loaded, you need to turn it on in
[00:12] <G-Blunted> the L's in XChat look really weird
[00:12] <G-Blunted> lllll
[00:12] <charlie-tca> alsa-mixer?
[00:13] <dimsum> okay i don't see any soundcard at all..
[00:13] <dimsum> but i'm sure it's there haha
[00:13] <lcafiero> Hi there. Is anyone on the channel that has taken part in the CD Distribution discussion on the mailing list?
[00:13] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: You are using monospaced font
[00:13] <charlie-tca> lcafiero: I have been following it
[00:13] <G-Blunted> is that bad?
[00:13] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: no, it just has letters designed to be easy to tell what they are
[00:14] <lcafiero> charlie-tca: Okay.
[00:14] <charlie-tca> lI1; note the differences
[00:14] <dimsum> charlie, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[00:14] <lcafiero> charlie-tca: Do you think it's okay to continue on the mailing list, since it seems to be a developer list?
[00:14] <dimsum> wha???
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Yes, I think that is the best place for it
[00:14] <G-Blunted> hmm
[00:14] <G-Blunted> well that sound like a good thing...
[00:15] <lcafiero> okay, thanks.
[00:15] <G-Blunted> i hate getting  I l and 1 mixed up
[00:15] <charlie-tca> lcafiero: If it were in off-topics or users support, the devels won't know what is happening there
[00:15] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: Many fonts make them look the same
[00:15] <G-Blunted> but you're right...this one doesn't :)
[00:15] <charlie-tca> Monospaced makes it different
[00:15] <G-Blunted> that is good...i like it :)
[00:16] <G-Blunted> no more trickery
[00:16] <charlie-tca> It's easy to use when you are looking at the screen a lot
[00:16] <G-Blunted> |l1i  <--oh what character did i really put there?
[00:16] <G-Blunted> i hate that
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Looks like the pipe, small ell, number 1, little i.
[00:16] <G-Blunted> yup!
[00:17] <G-Blunted> you must be using a monospaced font
[00:17] <charlie-tca> I use the DejaVu Monospace
[00:17] <G-Blunted> what is that?
[00:17] <G-Blunted> !dejavu
[00:17] <charlie-tca> I use the DejaVu fonts for almost everything. It is one of the font styles
[00:18] <charlie-tca> Almost the same as the defaults
[00:18] <G-Blunted> hmm..how can i try those?
[00:18] <lcafiero> charlie-tca: got it.
[00:18] <charlie-tca> :-)
[00:19] <charlie-tca> G-Blunted: click on Settings, Preferences, Text box. Browse the fonts choices
[00:19] <G-Blunted> okay
[00:19] <charlie-tca> dimsum: You don't have an audio or multimedia card in lspci?
[00:19] <cell> hi there
[00:19] <dimsum> nope
[00:20] <dimsum> what to do? what to do?
[00:20] <charlie-tca> hi, cell
[00:20] <dimsum> is there anyway to check what soundcard is really plugged in?
[00:20] <dimsum> so then maybe i can download and install the drivers
[00:21] <charlie-tca> Try here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound
[00:21] <charlie-tca> Under Old Sound Cards
[00:21] <dimsum> last time i remember this is soundblaster awe 64
[00:21] <dimsum> yes, this is old skool stuff haha
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Yeah, the awe64 doesn't detect
[00:22] <dimsum> aww crap. so what now ?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Still running an ISA card
[00:22] <cell> when i set up xubuntu in "virtual box" it runs good. but after reset xubunu run not frum virtual disk in "virtual box" can any body help me  on this subject
[00:22] <charlie-tca> dimsum: the wiki page...
[00:22] <dimsum> what ISA btw? it's not PCI ?
[00:23] <charlie-tca> Mine is ISA, which came out first, then PCI, then PCIE
[00:23] <charlie-tca> Well, AGP, then PCIE
[00:23] <charlie-tca> cell: Are you running virtualbox in linux?
[00:23] <dimsum> if you look at it, is there any difference between PCI and ISA ?
[00:24] <cell> charlie-tca, no virtual box isrunning on windows xp
[00:24] <dimsum> i know AGP had a slightly bigger port.
[00:24] <charlie-tca> dimsum: yes, ISA connector edge has contacts about 1/8" wide, PCI has contacts about 1/32" wide. They are very noticeable
[00:25] <dimsum> charlie: good god, you remember the dimensions?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> PCI contacts are about the thickness of the tip of the ball-point pen
[00:25] <charlie-tca> No, I'm guessing.
[00:26] <charlie-tca> It's just so visible when you see them
[00:26] <charlie-tca> cell: are you getting any error messages?
[00:27] <cell> it is so suprisig.. i have gat no error.
[00:27] <charlie-tca> dimsum: when you set all the cards side-by-side, you can tell each one by the contacts
[00:27] <cell> but same i can run wn98 on virtual box
[00:28] <cell> same way
[00:28] <dimsum> yes, i remember.
[00:28] <charlie-tca> cell: so win98 works, but xubuntu can't find the hard drive?
[00:29] <dimsum> charlie: is there anyway to be sure that my soundcard is really awe64 ?
[00:29] <dimsum> charlie: like a hardware detection or something ?
[00:29] <cell> then can we not run xubuntu in virtually?
[00:29] <charlie-tca> It would say it right on the card. But it probably is.
[00:30] <charlie-tca> cell: yes, I do it all the time. but if it tells you it can't find the hard drive, perhaps something happened to the virtual dirve
[00:30] <charlie-tca> s/dirve/drive
[00:31] <charlie-tca> cell: did you create two separate drives, one for windows 98 and one for xubuntu?
[00:32] <dimsum> charlie: heyy what do you know "sudo modprobe snd-sbawe" seems to have done it..
[00:32] <charlie-tca> Isn't that help wiki nice?
[00:32] <cell> charlie-tca, yes, each one has different virtual disk on host disk
[00:33] <charlie-tca> cell: I'm out of ideas. You could try the VirtualBox forums
[00:33] <dimsum> charlie: yes, it's really nice
[00:34] <cell> thanks charlie-tca
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Wish I could have helped you.
[00:34] <rocko> screw utorrent USE DELUGE
[00:34] <Mood> transmission
[00:35] <charlie-tca> cell: you could also try #vbox
[00:40] <dimsum> charlie: how do i test u i have a working sound ?
[00:40] <cell> charlie-tca, hmm thank again i ll look there now
[00:40] <dimsum> charlie: how do i test that i have a working sound ?
[00:41] <rocko> transmission is ok
[00:41] <rocko> I like deluge better
[00:41] <rocko> to get the latest version you have to go to its site
[00:41] <rocko> though
[00:43] <charlie-tca> dimsum: I go to /usr/share/sounds/purple and click on each one
[00:47] <dimsum> charlie: crap, still no sound
[00:47] <charlie-tca> you still gotta turn in on.
[00:47] <charlie-tca> do you have the volume control on the panel?
[00:49] <dimsum> yes but it's empty
[00:50] <dimsum> just a rectangular gray box
[00:50] <dimsum> how do i turn it on ?
[00:50] <charlie-tca> Then alsa-mixer doesn't know about the card yet
[00:51] <dimsum> ahh the beep is back..
[00:51] <dimsum> how do i tell it then ?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Try Applications -> Multimedia -> Alsamixergui , maybe
[00:52] <dimsum> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[00:52] <dimsum> -_-..
[00:52] <charlie-tca> did you restart after adding it?
[00:52] <dimsum> ahh
[00:52] <dimsum> should i?
[00:52] <charlie-tca> Yes, makes the modprobe take effect
[00:53] <dimsum> see you after the jump then charlie.
[00:53] <charlie-tca> okay
[00:57] <dimsum> charlie-tca
[00:57] <dimsum> charlie-tca: it's not working..-_-
[00:58] <charlie-tca> The card shows up now, right?
[00:58] <dimsum> no
[00:58] <charlie-tca> huh?
[00:59] <dimsum> i tried the alsamixergui and it still shows the same error
[01:00] <dimsum> charlie
[01:00] <charlie-tca> Your card is not showing up in the system, is it?
[01:00] <dimsum> but if i try sudo alsamixergui it shows up
[01:01] <charlie-tca> yeah?
[01:01] <charlie-tca> make sure nothing is muted
[01:03] <charlie-tca> Also, turn the volume up on the panel volume control
[01:05] <dimsum> i can't do that
[01:05] <dimsum> if i click on let say half-a-bar
[01:06] <charlie-tca> does it go up
[01:06] <dimsum> no
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Time for this one then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[01:06] <dimsum> the bar goes empty rightaway
[01:06] <charlie-tca> open a terminal and type 'alsamixer' and hit enter. no quotes
[01:07] <charlie-tca> If it opens, it is all keyboard, not mouse
[01:07] <dimsum> i need sudo to do that
[01:07] <charlie-tca> not supposed to
[01:08] <dimsum> if im not using sudo it will go like this
[01:08] <charlie-tca> that would mean the module is loaded wrong
[01:08] <dimsum> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[01:08] <charlie-tca> Then something is not right.
[01:08] <charlie-tca> Time for the Troubleshooting page
[01:08] <dimsum> will do
[01:09] <dimsum> bingo
[01:09] <dimsum> * adamm9 (n=adam@68-116-201-58.dhcp.oxfr.ma.ch
[01:09] <dimsum> oops
[01:09] <adamm9> heh
[01:09] <dimsum> aplay: device_list:215: no soundcards found...
[01:09] <charlie-tca> Then it is not loaded right
[01:10] <dimsum> sorry adamm9 i hit the ctrl+c at the wrong window
[01:10] <adamm9> np
[01:12] <dimsum> charlie: how do i do this "If the modules are already installed, check to see whether your hardware is recognizing the sound card as installed " ??
[01:12] <charlie-tca> what you did with aplay
[01:12] <dimsum> still no soundcards found
[01:12] <charlie-tca> now you should do the sudo aptitude line, and restart
[01:13] <dimsum> ok it's installing
[01:13] <charlie-tca> "After installing the modules, you will need to reboot. " is a restart, not even just a logout.
[01:13] <dimsum> will do
[01:13] <xenocide21> >.> or go buy a sound card that is supported with your system when you first install it
[01:13] <dimsum> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.27-11-generic
[01:13] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that too
[01:14] <dimsum> xenocide: any good recommendation?
[01:14] <charlie-tca> wait a minute
[01:14] <xenocide21> the Yamaha series equivilant to the Sound Blaster PCI 512 is compatable (as is the sound blaster PCI 512)
[01:14] <xenocide21> i use a Yamaha XG724 or something like that
[01:15] <xenocide21> most built in sound cards like the AC'97 is compatable
[01:15] <dimsum> xeno: this pc doesnt have any built in soundcard
[01:16] <dimsum> built in = on board right ?
[01:16] <xenocide21> ebay.com is your friend
[01:16] <xenocide21> a yamaha XG724 is like 5 bucks
[01:16] <xenocide21> yeah
[01:16] <xenocide21> its a good sound card, has a midi/game port
[01:17] <dimsum> maybe i'll buy some memory also. mine only got about 300mb ram
[01:18] <dimsum> 312 or so..
[01:18] <charlie-tca> dimsum: they really don't exist
[01:18] <xenocide21> model is Yamaha XG YMF724F-V and it was plug and play
[01:18] <xenocide21> installer recognised and installed proper drivers
[01:19] <dimsum> charlie: what ?
[01:19] <dimsum> xeno: i'll jot that down.
[01:19] <charlie-tca> The linux modules don't exist in 8.10
[01:19] <xenocide21> ive had this sound card for years, its just as good as current on board sound cards
[01:20] <dimsum> charlie: so what can i do ?
[01:20] <xenocide21> on windows it has some synthesizers specifically for this sound card, im sure linux has a synthesyzer that would work with it, if you cared to get one :P
[01:20] <dimsum> nah
[01:21] <dimsum> this pc is only used for facebook and youtube
[01:21] <xenocide21> i was almost not surprised this sound card was compatable upon installer
[01:21] <charlie-tca> I don know. I have used up my knowledge. It may be because of that kernel.
[01:21] <charlie-tca> I have seen a lot of bugs for sound in intrepid
[01:21] <dimsum> so that's it then? buy a new soundcard ?
[01:22] <dimsum> charlie: thanks a lot for your help
[01:22] <xenocide21> might be easier if you have tried to get your current one working properly with the drivers it should have
[01:22] <charlie-tca> np, Wish we could make it work
[01:22] <xenocide21> a sound blaster PCI 512 is the standard sound card and im sure its compatable, it might be easier to find than my yamaha
[01:23] <dimsum> i believe mine is ISA bus card..
[01:23] <xenocide21> ISA? the black one?
[01:23] <xenocide21> O.o
[01:24] <dimsum> ISA bus was located at the bottom of the motherboard correct ?
[01:24] <xenocide21> oh yeah good luck finding an ISA sound card that you dont have to go through hell to run on linux, better off getting PCI
[01:24] <xenocide21> its a long black port, as aposed to the short white ones
[01:24] <dimsum> this is a 10 year old pc xeno.
[01:24] <xenocide21> mine is too
[01:24] <G-Blunted> Hey how do you do like....zoom...?
[01:25] <xenocide21> i have a P2 which originally had a 266MHz cpu
[01:25] <G-Blunted> i need a magnifying glass type of thing
[01:25] <xenocide21> its upgraded to a 333
[01:25] <G-Blunted> for my desktop
[01:25] <xenocide21> i have ISA ports
[01:25] <G-Blunted> computer
[01:25] <xenocide21> two of them
[01:25] <dimsum> 333? goood god, mine is 500
[01:25] <xenocide21> and they are located at the bottom of the board
[01:25] <xenocide21> ;)
[01:25] <dimsum> xeno, how bout ram ?
[01:25] <xenocide21> i have AGP 2x, 4 PCI and 2 ISA
[01:25] <xenocide21> 192 :P
[01:25] <dimsum> 192 ?!?!?!
[01:25] <xenocide21> max of 768, i just cant afford it
[01:26] <dimsum> kinda slow i presume ?
[01:26] <xenocide21> not bad on xubuntu
[01:26]  * charlie-tca wonders if his antique all ISA board is worth anything yet
[01:26] <xenocide21> compared to kubuntu
[01:26] <xenocide21> what CPU charlie?
[01:26] <xenocide21> is it a 386 or 486
[01:26] <dimsum> i was using xp, tinyxp, ubuntu and at last xubuntu
[01:26] <charlie-tca> 33MHz
[01:27] <xenocide21> or *cough* 286
[01:27] <charlie-tca> No, not 386 or 486
[01:27] <xenocide21> well of course its 33MHz
[01:27] <xenocide21> its a 286?
[01:27] <charlie-tca> yeah, an old NEC
[01:27] <xenocide21> hmm
[01:27] <charlie-tca> I think it has a total of 8MB RAM
[01:27] <xenocide21> removable or soldered cpu
[01:27] <dimsum> my god.. i thought a had the oldest pc around
[01:27] <charlie-tca> soldered
[01:27] <xenocide21> prolly not worth much
[01:28] <charlie-tca> Uses SIMMS
[01:28] <xenocide21> if it was a 386 slot cpu it might be worth a bit
[01:28] <charlie-tca> Even got the daughterboard
[01:28] <xenocide21> those can be upgraded to an 80MHz 486DX2 which can be overclocked to run at 160MHz
[01:28] <dimsum> but you guys have more respectable pc for work don't you ?
[01:28] <xenocide21> id say
[01:28] <charlie-tca> of course. Can't really use that one
[01:29] <charlie-tca> Yeah, they were a speed demon in comparison
[01:29] <xenocide21> put a running dos 6.22 or old linux OS (maybe with a simple x or similar gui) supply a 4MB graphics card, word processor, and you might be able to sell it as a glorified type write
[01:29] <xenocide21> r
[01:29] <charlie-tca> But this one was faster than my 25MHz
[01:30] <charlie-tca> Fits right in with what a lot of people use their latest thing cpu's for, doesn't it
[01:30] <xenocide21> im not sure what linux distro would run on a 33MHz 286
[01:30] <charlie-tca> I don't know, might be worth looking into for fun, though
[01:30] <xenocide21> you could set it up as a kids computer :) lol
[01:30] <charlie-tca> They can't play games on it.
[01:31] <xenocide21> yea they can!
[01:31] <xenocide21> theres plenty of games a 33MHz 286 can run
[01:31] <dimsum> such as ?
[01:31] <charlie-tca> Well, that's true. I forgot.
[01:31] <xenocide21> and a child 3 to 5 probably wouldnt know the difference
[01:31] <xenocide21> look up dos games on google
[01:31] <dimsum> ahh dos games
[01:31] <xenocide21> :)
[01:31] <xenocide21> lots of dos games available
[01:31] <xenocide21> as well
[01:32] <dimsum> i remember playing paratrooper when i was younger
[01:32] <xenocide21> any QBasic game
[01:32] <charlie-tca> Hey, it did run windows, too
[01:32] <xenocide21> win 3.11
[01:32] <dimsum> it run windows?!
[01:32] <xenocide21> thats all it could have run
[01:32] <xenocide21> but
[01:32] <xenocide21> you need the turbo button on to be able to use it properly
[01:32] <charlie-tca> Yeah, early windows... but it ran it.
[01:32] <xenocide21> 33 to 66MHz
[01:32] <dimsum> hahahaha the turbo button
[01:32] <xenocide21> :D
[01:32] <charlie-tca> I ran with turbo on full time
[01:32] <xenocide21> i have a pentium pro dual cpu unit over here
[01:33] <xenocide21> dual 200mhz cpu's
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Yes, cpu's higher than the hard drives were back then
[01:33] <dimsum> it's like living in the past doesn't it ?
[01:33] <xenocide21> charlie
[01:33] <xenocide21> dos 6.22 and windows 3.11 is freeware
[01:34] <charlie-tca> I did not think microsoft released 3.11 from licenses, even though they won't support it.
[01:34] <xenocide21> if it uses 30 pin simm it can run up to 64 or 128mb ram via 16mb simms (4 or 8 slot configurations)
[01:34] <xenocide21> well
[01:34] <charlie-tca> I have both here, but haven't loaded them
[01:35] <xenocide21> google it
[01:35] <xenocide21> oh
[01:35] <xenocide21> lol
[01:35] <charlie-tca> 30 pin? It was 72 pin
[01:35] <xenocide21> install it :P
[01:35] <xenocide21> its got 72pin simms?
[01:35] <charlie-tca> I believe so
[01:35] <xenocide21> that doesnt make sense
[01:35] <xenocide21> 72 pin simms go up to 512 with 8 256 with 4
[01:35] <charlie-tca> It was a new system
[01:36] <xenocide21> my pentium pro uses 72 pin simms
[01:36] <xenocide21> they are oh... lemmi check'
[01:36] <charlie-tca> No, you got 72 pin dimms
[01:36] <xenocide21> lol i promise they are simm
[01:36] <charlie-tca> simms sat at an angle on the motherboard, and did not use the snap locks on the sides
[01:37] <xenocide21> they are bout 4 inches long
[01:37] <dimsum> wow, you guys were like talking about rocket science to me.
[01:37] <xenocide21> you install simms at an angle, and pop them into metal prongs
[01:37] <charlie-tca> and simms, too? My memory is faded, maybe
[01:37] <charlie-tca> Yeah, and be careful you don't break them
[01:37] <xenocide21> lol
[01:37] <charlie-tca> Hated em
[01:38] <xenocide21> simms come in configurations of 30 and 72 pins
[01:38] <xenocide21> the earliest comps using 30 pins
[01:38] <xenocide21> such as the old apple classic series
[01:38] <charlie-tca> and they did not come cheap, either
[01:38] <xenocide21> and the SE SE/30
[01:38] <xenocide21> nope
[01:39] <xenocide21> they arent too bad today
[01:39] <xenocide21> you can pick up 8 16mb simms for ~35 bucks on ebay
[01:39] <charlie-tca> I hadn't even tried. This system has 3 GB in it.
[01:39] <xenocide21> 72 pin simms i have no idea
[01:39] <xenocide21> lol
[01:39] <charlie-tca> They cost a lot, even now.
[01:39] <xenocide21> the joys of today :D
[01:40] <xenocide21> :P
[01:40] <xenocide21> does it use the old ATA or SCSI?
[01:40] <charlie-tca> ATA, 65MB
[01:40] <xenocide21> ahh
[01:40] <xenocide21> first gen IDE
[01:40] <charlie-tca> and that was big
[01:40] <dimsum> brb guys i need a restart..
[01:40] <xenocide21> you can get about 2GB on that system
[01:40] <charlie-tca> Yeah, today
[01:40] <xenocide21> fat16 (aka fat) doesnt support more than 2GB
[01:41] <charlie-tca> I have a couple, too
[01:41] <xenocide21> though you could partition a larger drive several times i believe
[01:41] <charlie-tca> Used to use the Maxtor Disk Manager to partition the big drives
[01:41] <xenocide21> :D
[01:42] <charlie-tca> I think Western Digital had one too
[01:42] <xenocide21> you can do it on any windows 98 system
[01:42] <xenocide21> XP drops fat16 format completely
[01:42] <charlie-tca> I couldn't do it with DOS.
[01:42] <xenocide21> nope
[01:42] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but I never got past windows 3.1
[01:42] <xenocide21> fdisk will not format a drive larger than 2gb other than to 2gb
[01:42] <xenocide21> you have to do it under a windows 98 system
[01:43] <charlie-tca> That's why you use the Disk Manager
[01:43] <xenocide21> you can format a 200GB IDE drive 100 times to 2GB partitions and put it in there
[01:43] <xenocide21> ahh
[01:43] <xenocide21> so you ran this disk manager under a newer windows system so you could format to fat16?
[01:43] <charlie-tca> Yes, I remember doing that to a 20GB, I think it was
[01:44] <xenocide21> ah
[01:44] <xenocide21> yes i did that once too
[01:44] <charlie-tca> No, disk manager ran under DOS to format "big" drives, all the way to about 20GB
[01:44] <xenocide21> i set up a pentium 1 66MHz with a 20 gig with 10 2GB partitions for windows 3.11
[01:45] <dimsum> ahh.. no luck
[01:45] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that kind of fun. The "good old days", huh
[01:45] <xenocide21> no luck on what?
[01:45] <dimsum> the sound
[01:45] <xenocide21> time to munch
[01:45] <charlie-tca> system won't recognize the sound card.
[01:45] <dimsum> yes
[01:46] <xenocide21> afk :) good talk charlie :) hold on to that 286, its not worth much more than a toy but its fun to have ;)
[01:46] <dimsum> i always having trouble with sound on linux
[01:46] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone else will know something, dimsum
[01:46] <xenocide21> i never did ;) lol
[01:46] <xenocide21> afk
[01:46] <charlie-tca> xenocide21: I am. got a commodore 128 here too. Just sitting on them for now
[01:47] <charlie-tca> bbl, gotta go eat
[02:15]  * xenocide21 has an Apple Lisa
[02:15] <xenocide21> (aka Macintosh XL
[02:27] <rocko> I see
[02:28] <rocko> what size is the hard drive?
[03:29] <kamlapati> hello everyone!
[03:30] <zoredache> hello
[03:31] <kamlapati> I am trying to use a GUI to connect via ssh to another PC. In GNOME I could use Places -> Connect to Server. Any idea how to do that in Xubuntu?
[03:32] <kamlapati> Or in general,  how do I connect to a LAN for file shares and so forth in Xubuntu?
[03:35] <Mood> vpn?
[03:36] <Mood> or you could just mount it in fstab
[03:36] <charlie-tca> I use ssh in a terminal
[03:36] <Mood> if you want a gui, and you don't need security (like all the computers are in the same LAN), just mount the drive using mount
[03:37] <Mood> in terminal, sudo mkdir /mnt/shareddrive
[03:37] <Mood> sudo mount 192.168.x.x/share /mnt/shareddrive
[03:41] <kamlapati> I've been using SSH it in a terminal and it works fine, but was looking for a way to "spruce it up"
[03:41] <kamlapati> Thanks for the great advice.
[03:42] <kamlapati> BTW, I have the RAS public key authentication set up, so I thinking I'm pretty secure.
[03:54] <keres> when installing ubuntu on my very old p3 laptop i get a bunch of input/output errors on my HDD when loading the LiveCD or just the installer. I select it from the menu and it just goes black and lists these errors?
[03:54] <keres> i mean xubuntu
[04:00] <Pres-Gas> keres, have you tried selecting the option of checking the media?
[04:00] <keres> Pres-Gas: wheres' that?
[04:01] <Pres-Gas> Should be on the first screen where you usually select
[04:01] <Pres-Gas> whoops
[04:01] <Pres-Gas> "Run without modifying the hard drive or something like that
[04:01] <keres> Pres-Gas: the live disk or is that a main option in itself?
[04:02] <Pres-Gas> keres, I guess I would like to see a line of it to make sure
[04:04] <keres> Pres-Gas: thanks, regardless. I will have to go to sleep soon, and i won't have internet access then
[04:04] <keres> i'll write the  error down if it persists
[04:05] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, it usually means you have a bad hard drive or bad optical drive...either is not good
[05:06] <dark_abyss0> can someone help me set up a network form my XP comp to my linux comp?
[05:08] <forces> dark_abyss0, with samba?
[05:09] <dark_abyss0> I got samba I just have no Idea what to do from there
[05:18] <forces> !samba | dark_abyss0
[06:39] <G-Blunted> hey i got a question...
[06:39] <G-Blunted> what is the path to the Terminal application in the Applications -> Accessories menu?
[07:00] <taw> G-Blunted, run 'which xfce4-terminal'
[07:08] <G-Blunted> !gutsy
[07:08] <G-Blunted> !hardy
[07:10] <G-Blunted> thanks taw !!
[07:41] <G-Blunted> PERL vs. TCL vs. Python  <----can anyone tell me when is it best to use each one? And what is each one best suited to accomplish?
[07:50] <volo> hi
[07:58] <edvard1> heya
[07:59] <edvard1> gots a question
[07:59] <edvard1> when I tried to install 9.04 to a different hard disk, somehow the install got borked
[08:00] <edvard1> now, when I try to boot to my 8.10 install, it shows a VERY different boot process and it hangs at "loading manual drivers" and the screen background turns green
[08:01] <Reno`> !9.04
[08:01] <edvard1> I can get it started if I boot to 'Rescue Mode' and select 'continue to boot normally'
[08:02] <edvard1> ok, i understand.
[08:02] <edvard1> but it did something to my 8.10 install
[08:03] <edvard1> i'll ask somewhere else
[10:25] <rocko> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/12_year_old_boy_scouts_volunteer
[10:39] <RAVTUX> hello
[10:58] <rocko> n.\\\\
[10:58] <rocko> hello
[10:58] <rocko> fello
[10:59] <rocko> jello
[10:59] <rocko> kello
[10:59] <rocko> bello
[11:01] <user_> wilsud
[11:07] <rocko> g\\\
[11:07] <rocko> hello user_
[11:07] <rocko> how are you?
[12:19] <dimsum> hello fellow xubuntu users..
[12:19] <dimsum> i'm having problem with alsa, can someone help me?
[12:20] <Reno`> here all dead :)
[12:20] <dimsum> i just want remove all alsa drivers, library and utilties
[12:20] <Myrtti> why?
[12:21] <Reno`> use synaptic
[12:21] <dimsum> i've tried
[12:21] <dimsum> but it seems that all modules are marked for removal also
[12:21] <dimsum> i've tried to reinstall everything that has the name alsa in it
[12:21] <dimsum> but my drivers won
[12:21] <dimsum> won't come back
[12:22] <Reno`> mark for complete removal
[12:22] <dimsum> Myrtti: i accidentally remove my drivers while playing with it
[12:23] <Myrtti> and this requires you to uninstall your alsa drivers, because...?
[12:23] <dimsum> i want to reinstall it again
[12:23] <Myrtti> sudo aptitude reinstall <package>
[12:24] <dimsum> can i just put alsa in replacement of <package> ??
[12:24] <dimsum> there seems to be lots of package related to alsa i don't know which is the one..
[12:25] <Myrtti> sudo aptitude reinstall alsa alsa-base alsa-utils
[12:25] <Myrtti> for starters I think
[12:25] <dimsum> will do..
[12:25] <dimsum> reno: completely removing alsa-base require me to remove xubuntu-desktop
[12:26] <dimsum> which is my whole pc, correct ?
[12:26] <dimsum> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:26] <dimsum> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:26] <dimsum> Myrtti: what is happening ?
[12:26] <Reno`> sudo
[12:27] <Reno`> or open synaptic
[12:27] <Reno`> close synaptic
[12:27] <Myrtti> dimsum: you've got another application using package management open
[12:27] <Myrtti> probably synaptic, as Reno` said
[13:31] <akis> i installed a deb package and althought the package was succesfully installed i cannot find the executable file in /usr/bin directory. Any idea on what do i have to do?
[13:31] <Pres-Gas> akis, what package was it?
[13:34] <akis> they were 2 games packages: 2h4u & openalchemist. Both are versions of the known game of tetris.
[13:36] <Pres-Gas> akis, did you install it via synaptic?
[13:37] <Reno`> whereis 2h4u work ?
[13:37] <akis> i just double-clicked them and i installed them
[13:37] <Myrtti> akis: double clicked where?
[13:38] <akis> i put them in a temporary directory and then doul clicked them and they have been succesfully installed
[13:39] <Myrtti> so you downloaded the packages from somewhere?
[13:39] <Myrtti> with your browser?
[13:39] <akis> then i found them in synaptic in the group of games already installed.
[13:39] <Myrtti> ok
[13:40] <akis> yes from here http://www.getdeb.net/
[13:41] <Myrtti> if you check the package information in synaptic, you should be able to see the list of files and their locations
[13:41] <akis> my desktop manager is xcfe. is that matters?
[13:42] <Myrtti> akis: no, it doesn't matter
[13:42] <Reno`> why no use whereis and which
[13:42] <Reno`> or find
[13:42] <akis> i found the files but i cannot find any executable file.
[13:43] <TheSheep> Reno`: because he doesn't know the file name :)
[13:43] <Myrtti> Reno`: find isn't the easiest software to use in this case
[13:44] <Reno`> http://find.unixpin.com/ i use it ))
[13:44] <akis> after a succesful installation always the system creates an executable file or do i have to do something manually?
[13:44] <TheSheep> akis: are you sure you installed both 2h4u and 2h4u-data, and not just one of them?
[13:45] <Myrtti> Reno`: "works for me" doesn't apply to every user. Commandline tools aren't the only way to do stuff.
[13:46] <akis> oh my God. i installed the big one file *-data only. do i have what more?
[13:46] <Myrtti> akis: so you've got only the data for the game, not the game itself
[13:46] <TheSheep> akis: yes, the -data only contains levels and stuff, the executable is in the other one
[13:46] <Reno`> hmm commandline should know everybody, because x-server may crashed... okey it's only phylosophy :)
[13:47] <akis> yes i saw that it contains pictures, sounds and more.
[13:47] <TheSheep> Reno`: no reason to force it, they will get to the command line when they want
[13:48] <TheSheep> akis: when you go to getdeb's page for these games, you will see there are two links for download for each of them
[13:48] <akis> i am downloadin know the small files too. they 're also *.deb packages. do i have to install them in the same way i install *-data files?
[13:49] <TheSheep> yes
[13:50] <akis> ok. i 'll do it. one more question. can i run from xcfe desktop games made for gnome?
[13:50] <Myrtti> why not?
[13:51] <Myrtti> you can run kde desktop games from gnome too
[13:52] <akis> thank you a lot. I love Linux!
[14:38] <cell> hi everybody
[14:39] <cell> does anybody try to install xubuntu as virtual mashine on virtual box ?
[14:46] <Odd-rationale> cell: i have before... it worked quite well...
[14:52] <cell> Odd-rationale, thanks god :), can you help me?  i install xubuntu as virtual on virtual box 2.1.1 version and run well. but after resetting VBox doesnt run xubuntu on boot. do you hve any idea?
[14:53] <Odd-rationale> cell: might want to try asking in #vbox
[14:54] <Odd-rationale> that might now that stuff better than i do...
[14:55] <cell> i didng get enough asnwer.. thats because asked here
[14:56] <Odd-rationale> cell: so when you boot up your vm, it doesn't boot?
[14:58] <cell> yes you got me right
[14:59] <Odd-rationale> cell: did the vm boot before?
[14:59] <cell> yes
[14:59] <Odd-rationale> cell: when did it stop booting?
[14:59] <cell> yes
[14:59] <cell> ha sory first stage
[15:00] <Odd-rationale> cell: did you check your boot order of the vm?
[15:01] <cell> yes and the order is like disk , cd rom and floppy
[15:01] <Odd-rationale> cell: when was the last last time it booted properly?
[15:03] <cell> Odd-rationale, the most importen point is my problem is that i can install xubuntu as usual. there is not problem.. xubuntu runs well. but after reset vbox doesnt see xubuntu's virtual hardisk..
[15:04] <cell> at the boot time.. that is the my confusing in my mind
[15:04] <Odd-rationale> hmm... well, idk either...
[15:07] <cell> what is the mean of idk.. my english s little poor
[15:07] <Odd-rationale> it stands for "i don'
[15:07] <Odd-rationale> t
[15:07] <Odd-rationale>  know
[15:07] <cell> hmm ok. thanks again
[18:31] <jxander> how could i tell xfce not to use the second screen? when i don't use 2 monitors, i change the xorg.conf file for one monitor, i unplug the secondary monitor from my lappy, but xfce still thinks it has two monitors (mouse moves out of screen and there is the secondary panel and applets in memory). is there a way to tell xfce to use only one monitor and not to load stuff that would go to the second?
[18:32] <TheSheep> xrandr --output <OUTPUT NAME> --off
[18:34] <TheSheep> you can get the list of outputs by just running xrandr without any parameters
[18:34] <jxander> TheSheep: should i run that in rc.local so that xfce won't load stuff for the second monitor?
[18:35] <TheSheep> no
[18:36] <zoredache> jxander: have you permanently gotten rid of the second display?
[18:37] <jxander> zoredache: no, I just unplug it sometimes...
[18:37] <zoredache> you might want to remove all the config for the second display in your xorg.conf and see if you can get xrandr to expand to the second screen when you are connected
[18:38] <jxander> it expands...
[18:38] <jxander> i got rid of all the 2nd display configuration
[18:40] <jxander> xrandr says 2560x800... and sees only the default screen 0...
[18:47] <jxander> TheSheep: i don't see the second monitor. xrandr expands to the 2nd lcd as zoredache said. Is there a way to force xrandr not to expand?
[18:47] <TheSheep> wait, you set up your monitors to be one large screen?
[18:47] <TheSheep> with xinerama or nvidia?
[18:48] <jxander> i'm on ati. i used aticonfig, but now i've set xorg.conf for just a single monitor. The only problem was that xfce still sees two...
[18:49] <jxander> and i used dual-head
[18:49] <jxander> before
[19:22] <chewit> charlie-tca, do u know if Abiword update will be put onto the repos
[19:27] <Mood> Abiword has a highlighter color bug w/ default theme on xubuntu 8.10
[19:28] <Mood> theme-MurrinaStormCloud
[19:29] <chewit> yeh, i have seen that. but the bigger bug is the scrolling one
[19:29] <Mood> chewit: what's the scrolling bug?
[19:29] <chewit> if you scroll to fast, the page will scroll the backwards or not scroll at all
[19:30] <chewit> have u not noticed it
[19:30] <chewit> it affects 2.6.4
[19:30] <Mood> i thought it was my proc
[19:30] <chewit> but fixed twice in 2.6.5 & 2.6.6
[19:30] <chewit> nah
[19:30] <Mood> scroll using the mouse wheel, right?
[19:31] <chewit> yeh
[19:31] <Mood> yeah i see it. there's no workaround?
[19:31] <chewit> not that i have seen
[19:31] <chewit> well, its fixed now
[19:31] <chewit> its just not been put on 8.10 yet
[19:32] <Mood> ah
[19:32] <chewit> or 9.04 alpha 4
[19:32] <Mood> know if the highlight color bug is fixed in 2.6.4+?
[19:32] <chewit> i dont know
[19:32] <Mood> well, there's a workaround for it using a grkrc override, in case anyone cares
[19:33] <jxander> how do i run a command after x starts but before xfce4 loads?
[19:39] <rdehler> i'm using xubuntu desktop, 400MB/1024MB memory utilized on boot, so this thing goes into swap pretty fast.  any suggestions for minimizing RAM used on boot?
[19:41] <zoredache> rdehler: where are you looking at these numbers?
[19:42] <zoredache> are you subtracting out the memory that gets used for cache/buffers?
[19:42] <rdehler> 11:43 < zoredache> rdehler: where are you looking at these numbers?
[19:42] <rdehler> top/free
[19:43] <rdehler>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[19:43] <rdehler> Mem:       1031960     579200     452760          0      16504     293860
[19:44] <zoredache> so see the 'cache' column, you understand that cache will be made available to applications if they need it right?  ~300mb used by cache isn't really used
[19:45] <zoredache> the cache is just linux using your memeory that isn't doing anything anything to make disk access faster
[19:46] <GreenBA> Does anyone know if there is a way to get a list of all installed packages in a "tree" view with dependencies?
[19:46] <zoredache> if you wanted to get a better idea of how much memory is being used by applications you should look at the number (used - buffers - cached)
[19:48] <zoredache> GreenBA: in this hypothetical application, what do you think the root of the tree would be?
[19:48] <GreenBA> There would be no root, each application would be an independent branch with all dependencies in subbranches
[19:48] <GreenBA> Each package rather
[19:49] <zoredache> so you would want a list of all packages, and then when you select that package, it would show you the dendancy tree for that package?
[19:49] <GreenBA> Sure, that would work for me
[19:52] <zoredache> I am trying to remeber... I know I have seen a script at some point in time that would recursively show you dependancy for a given package... I can't remeber what it was though...
[19:54] <zoredache> maybe take a look at apt-rdepends ?
[19:55] <johan12> what's the default font used in xubuntu?
[19:56] <rdehler> 11:47 < zoredache> the cache is just linux using your memeory that isn't doing anything anything to make disk access faster
[19:56] <rdehler> so you're saying actual utilized is used - cached
[19:57] <zoredache> GreenBA: it even appears to generate graphs
[19:57] <zoredache> rdehler: yes
[19:57] <rdehler> k, so about 100mb used isn't bad then
[19:57] <rdehler> thanks
[19:58] <vinnl> joakim12, "Sans", which I believe is DejaVu Sans, but I'm not sure
[19:59] <GreenBA> zoredache, I'll try that, thanks
[19:59] <johan12> vinnl: thx
[20:43] <Mood> wow, vlc is huge....
[20:43] <Mood> 75 MB
[20:47] <chewit> it doesn't help that it uses qt now :(
[20:47] <chewit> i want 0.8.6 back
[20:49] <Mood> there's all sorts of strange, extraneous things, like xml, mysql, etc
[20:49] <Mood> network support
[20:50] <Mood> isn't there just a standalone player?
[20:50] <chewit> why not use totem
[20:50] <chewit> & rhythmbox for your music
[20:50] <Mood> cause i didn't know about it til now... :-)
[20:51] <chewit> does anyone use listen music player?
[20:51] <knome> tried it.
[20:51] <knome> it's quite ok, but not for my needs.
[20:51] <chewit> i couldn't get it to find all my music
[20:52] <chewit> only picked up 5 music tracks
[20:52] <knome> mm-hm.
[20:52] <chewit> but i prefer rhythmbox :P
[21:05] <rob79> i'm using audacious with streamtuner ^^
[21:06] <rob79> and totem 4 vids
[23:24] <dimsum> hi guys..-_-
[23:25] <dimsum> someone alive in here ?
[23:25] <zoredache> perhaps, but you'll never know until you ask a question that they wish to answer
[23:26] <dimsum> haha, true..
[23:26] <dimsum> ok here's my question: what
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I'm not being alive today
[23:27] <dimsum> *what's on your lib/modules/2.6.7.11-generic/kernel/sound/core directory contains ?
[23:27] <dimsum> charlie: too bad.
[23:28] <zoredache> eh?  2.6.7    I think most people are using a much newer kernel...
[23:28] <dimsum> how do i update my kernel ?
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Ain't that 27.11?
[23:29] <charlie-tca> 8.10, right
[23:29] <dimsum> 8.10
[23:29] <charlie-tca> run uname -a in a terminal to verify it
[23:29] <dimsum> my bad it's supposed to be 2.6.27-11-generic
[23:30] <charlie-tca> yeah, that should be the latest 8.10 kernel
[23:30] <dimsum> well i can't seem to do this: sudo modprobe snd-sbawe
[23:30] <zoredache> ah, well if you wat 2.6.27-11, I have http://pastebin.com/f4834b9fc
[23:31] <dimsum> aha! i lost all that snd- files ?
[23:31] <dimsum> how do i get that ?
[23:32] <dimsum> i've tried reinstalling alsa a thousand times already
[23:32] <dimsum> i only got /seq and /oss
[23:33] <Myrtti> they come with the kernel
[23:33] <dimsum> so you can't install this .ko files?
[23:34] <Myrtti> "apt-file search snd-page-alloc.ko" tells me that it has come with package linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic
[23:34] <zoredache> I guess you could force a reinstall with something like sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image
[23:35] <dimsum> so im doing a reinstall on the whole system ?
[23:35] <Myrtti> no
[23:35] <zoredache> no, that would just reinstall the linux-image package....
[23:35] <dimsum> aha
[23:35] <dimsum> will do
[23:36] <zoredache> but actually, the package you may want is linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic
[23:36] <dimsum> isn't it a little too late ?
[23:36] <dimsum> i already hit the command
[23:36] <Myrtti> as reinstalling the virtual package of linux-image would do nothing
[23:36] <Myrtti> IIRC
[23:36] <dimsum> hey it's done
[23:37] <dimsum> so it's the generic this time ?
[23:37] <Myrtti> sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic
[23:37] <Myrtti> I assume that's what you have
[23:37] <Myrtti> you could check
[23:37] <Myrtti> aptitude search linux-image |grep ^i
[23:38] <dimsum> i   linux-image                     - Generic Linux kernel image.
[23:38] <dimsum> i   linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic   - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.27 on x
[23:38] <dimsum> i   linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic    - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.27 on x
[23:38] <dimsum> i   linux-image-generic             - Generic Linux kernel image
[23:38] <Myrtti> yeah.
[23:38] <dimsum> okie dokie
[23:40] <dimsum> wow, so i assume this is the equivalent of reinstalling my C:/windows ?
[23:41] <dimsum> and i'm still here chatting about it. linux is damn powerful..
[23:41] <zoredache> not really, it would be more like replacing your c:\windows\kern32.dll
[23:42] <dimsum> which is doable on windows ?
[23:42] <dimsum> hey, i already got some of my .ko files back..
[23:42] <zoredache> no, not at all, I am just saying that the scope of your change is much smaller then a complete replacement of \windows
[23:43] <zoredache> trying to replace that file can be very tricky
[23:43] <dimsum> ok i got my .ko files back
[23:44] <dimsum> lemme try to sudo modprobe snd-sbawe again
[23:44] <zoredache> good, you may need to reboot, reinstalling a kernel like that may prevent you from loading stuff until your System.map is rebuilt
[23:44] <dimsum> it's there! thank you Myrtti!
[23:44] <dimsum> ok wait around guys
[23:45] <zoredache> I can't understand why those files would disappear... that sounds kinda odd
[23:46] <Myrtti> yeah, neither do I
[23:46] <Myrtti> he must have done something really weird
[23:46] <charlie-tca> He's been trying for two days now to get the sound working
[23:50] <dimsum> is holding his breath
[23:51] <dimsum> i can see my master volume is not empty anymore..
[23:51] <dimsum> testing with youtube
[23:52] <dimsum> I HAVE SOUUUUUUUND!!!!!
[23:52] <charlie-tca> :-)
[23:52] <dimsum> I LOVE YOU GUYS!
[23:52] <dimsum> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!
[23:54] <dimsum> thank you charlie-tca, xenocide21, zoredache, Myrtti and Reno`
[23:54] <dimsum> i will not forget this.. :-D