[00:12] <jtechidna> Hmm, Konversation-kde4 doesn't seem half bad
[00:14] <jtechidna|konvi> my kde3 settings seem to have survived
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you sponsor https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk ? It's got a somewhat-important bugfix
[01:37] <lex79> there are six plasma-widget in revu :)
[01:38] <nhandler> lex79: Could you maybe pastebin a list of URLs? I'll look through them sometime this week
[01:39] <lex79> ok
[01:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: can you look into Kopete under Intrepid. It is broken for MSN now I believe and requires libmsn bete4 I am guessing
[01:41] <lex79> nhandler: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116658/
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: updated that an hour or two ago actually
[01:41] <rgreening> w00t
[01:42] <nhandler> lex79: I'll try and look them over by the end of the week.
[01:42] <lex79> nhandler: ok thanks
[02:05] <shtylman> sebas: I have made some changes to the battery monitor plasmoid (added continuous mode for the battery icon) would you be the person to send the patchfile/changes to? or someone else?
[02:07] <nhandler> scottk: I just finished renaming the last plasmoid. Should I file a removal bug now?
[02:09] <shtylman> will there be any more changes to the main kde plasmoids accepted into jaunty? or have those undergone a freeze?
[02:22] <LaserJock> who's been doing artwork for Kubuntu these days?
[02:25] <nhandler> No clue LaserJock
[02:26] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:26] <nhandler> Do you know a way to check the rdepends of a package that is in jaunty from Intrepid?
[02:27] <LaserJock> a jaunty pbuilder/chroot is how I do it
[02:27] <nhandler> I used to use apt-cache rdepends, but that only works if you have the jaunty repos in your sources.list
[02:29] <LaserJock> if we were smart we'd have a service that let you access the full set of Sources/Packages files remotely
[02:29] <nhandler> Do you mean like Debian's ultimate datebase that has information on all of the packages/bugs?
[02:33] <LaserJock> I was thinking along the lines of a remote apt-cache
[02:34] <LaserJock> or remote dctrl-tools
[02:37] <nhandler> Does anyone have a link to the upstream decision that resulted in the renaming of the plasmoids?
[02:44] <lex79> nhandler: maybe this? http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-widget-brother.html
[02:44] <lex79> and http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/02/user-vs-technical-language-aka-more-on.html
[02:45] <nhandler> lex79: Wouldn't it be from kde.org?
[02:46] <lex79> uhm...I suppose no
[02:50] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks for the wiki edit, had  to go to flyball class, didn't get back till late
[02:52] <vorian> yo!
[02:52] <vorian> nhandler: iirc, we are matching Debians naming of widgets
[02:53] <nhandler> vorian: Ok, I thought it upstream referred to kde.
[02:53] <nhandler> Think it is safe to file the removal request now? Or should I wait until the renamed packages clear New?
[02:54] <vorian> that was the source, but not the deciding factor
[02:54] <vorian> erm, wait
[02:54] <ScottK-desktop> claydoh: Thanks for catching the LTS thing.  I thought I'd gotten them all.
[02:54] <ScottK-desktop> nhandler: Wait until after New.
[02:54] <vorian> i think they all cleared, did they not?
[02:55] <ScottK-desktop> The other big factor was getting agreement with Debian.
[02:55] <nhandler> vorian: I'm not sure. Let me check
[02:55] <ScottK-desktop> vorian: Dunno.
[02:55] <vorian> i know the 3 I did got accepted
[02:55] <ScottK-desktop> The ones done last night I know got accepted.
[02:55] <ScottK-desktop> Dunno about any after.
[02:55] <nhandler> It looks like there are 2 that are still in New: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=plasma-widget
[02:56] <nhandler> network-manager and memusage
[02:56] <ScottK-desktop> claydoh: BTW, after having gotten zero support for the raving hordes of Kubuntuforums KDE3 lovers I'm seriously considering an eff you very much post as a followup to my request for help with testing.
[02:57] <vorian> lol
[02:57] <ScottK-desktop> Is Kubuntuforums covered by CoC?
[02:57] <nhandler> I don't think so
[02:57] <vorian> doubt it, they are not under the *buntu umbrella
[02:58] <vorian> which is funny, because Ryan was basically forced to transfer ownership of ubuntuforums.org over to canonical
[02:58] <LaserJock> I thought the CoC did cover the forums
[02:58] <vorian> Ubuntu forums, yes
[02:59] <vorian> Kubuntu forums is a seperate thing completely
[03:00] <claydoh> yes, kfn is totally separate, and largely unmaintaied
[03:01] <claydoh> and loosely modded
[03:02] <claydoh> by yours truly
[03:02] <vorian> \o/
[03:02] <vorian> claydoh can haz MOD-POWAS
[03:03] <nhandler> Could someone here check for rdepends on the plasmoids? I would, but I don't know how to use apt-cache rdepends without adding the jaunty repos to my sources.list
[03:03]  * claydoh should kick some stuff arounf with the owner and the couple mods we do have, but we never get anywhere
[03:03] <ScottK-desktop> nhandler: Just pbuilder login to your Jaunty pbuilder chroot and do it from there.
[03:04] <claydoh> but honestly, other than the usual kde3 fanbois holding grudges it is a nice laid back place
[03:04] <nhandler> ScottK-desktop: I'm on a live cd right now. My Ubuntu laptop died
[03:04] <ScottK-desktop> Oh.
[03:04] <claydoh> no different in the kde3 situation than the nmailing list
[03:05] <ScottK-desktop> claydoh: I don't pay attention to that either.
[03:10] <claydoh> ScottK: no responses dooesn't mean no reads or testing
[03:10] <claydoh> I wouldn't want an f-u post myself, but I understand your reasoning :)
[03:12] <ScottK> claydoh: All the test results in the iso tracker are from known developers/testers.
[03:13]  * claydoh just looked :(
[03:13] <claydoh> ill do an f-u post then
[03:13] <claydoh> well not really
[03:13] <claydoh> but something
[03:14] <ScottK> Well I'm pretty well done.
[03:14] <claydoh> did you have to get permission, or whatever to get a kubuntu 8.04.2?
[03:15] <ScottK> Yes.  Slanagesk went to the Ubuntu Tech Board to get it authorized after I made the request.
[03:15] <ScottK> Normally non-LTS releases don't get point updates.
[03:15] <ScottK> No other derivative got one this time.
[03:15] <claydoh> I will note that
[03:16] <ScottK> I packaged KDE 3.5.10, got it approved into hardy-updates (and not just backports) (note with lots of help from a|wen), pushed for Kubuntu to get an 8.04.2, and finally asked for some help.
[03:17] <ScottK> I did it because it was the right thing to do, not for any particular accolades, but some willingness to lift a finger from the user community would have been nice.
[03:41] <claydoh> ScottK: the april 2010 is the correct support life for .2?
[03:42] <ScottK> Oops
[03:42] <ScottK> 10/09
[03:42] <claydoh> that would have been nice :)
[03:42] <ScottK> Plz fixor
[03:44] <claydoh> done
[03:44] <ScottK> Thanks
[03:46] <claydoh> I stickied the testing request post (shoulda done that to begin with)
[03:47] <claydoh> shuld I change my sig back?
[03:47] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101429.msg169229#msg169229
[03:51]  * claydoh should take typing lessons as well
[03:59] <nhandler> Were all of the plasmoids meant to have dummy transitional packages added?
[04:07] <vorian> nhandler: if they existed in intrepid
[04:09] <ScottK> claydoh: Thanks.
[04:12] <ScottK> BTW, in related news, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu could really do with some update.
[04:24] <nhandler> vorian: Oops. I added them for all of the plasmoids I renamed. Should I remove them?
[04:26] <vorian> nhandler: which ones did you do?
[04:27] <nhandler> vorian: Most of them
[04:29] <nhandler> The transitional package isn't hurting anything, it just isn't needed, correct?
[04:30] <vorian> right
[04:30] <vorian> i'm thinking it through
[04:33] <nhandler> IMO, it would make the most sense to just leave the packages as they are, and just remove the unneeded transitional packages the next time the package is touched
[04:36] <ScottK> Agreed.
[04:37] <nhandler> I'm going to head off to bed. I'll keep an eye on the New queue, and once all of the plasma-widget-* packages clear, I'll file a removal request for the old plasmoid-* packages
[04:37] <ScottK> nhandler: You did add .install files for all of them so you don't get empty binaries, right?
[04:38] <nhandler> F***. Now you tell me. /me was just making the changes you said.
[04:38] <ScottK> My debug quassel build doesn't produce proper symbols in backtraces.  I got the suggestion that one or more of http://paste.ubuntu.com/116688/ compiler flags is the problem.
[04:38] <ScottK> Suggestions?
[04:39] <nhandler> I guess I'll have a fun day tomorrow fixing up the plasma-widget-* packages again. Although this time, they won't need to go through New
[04:40] <ScottK> nhandler: I can reject them if you want.
[04:40] <nhandler> scottk: It doesn't really matter. The old plasmoid-* packages are still in the repos, so this won't mess up any systems. The advantage to accepting them is that I can upload the fixed versions without going through new
[04:41] <ScottK> nhandler: Or I can reject them all and you can fix them and they go through New once when correct.
[04:41] <ScottK> If they've got emptpy binaries they should get rejected anyway.
[04:42] <vorian> nod
[04:42] <nhandler> scottk: Whatever you want to do is fine. It is no more work on my part. But I guess you are right about rejecting them
[04:42] <ScottK> nhandler: Please give me a list.
[04:42] <ScottK> BTW, I had to reject one of my own last night.
[04:42] <nhandler> scottk: Give me a second, I have to go through my emails to find them
[04:43] <ScottK> OK
[04:44] <nhandler> scottk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116691/ those are all of the plasmoids I touched
[04:44] <ScottK> nhandler: OK.  Looking.  I'll reject those
[04:44] <nhandler> Ok, andI'll push updated versions tomorrow
[04:45] <ScottK> nhandler: Clarification ...  If they're still Source New I'll reject them.  If the source has already been accepted, I'm not sure you can reuse the revision.
[04:45] <ScottK> I'll leave those and let Riddell decide (if any)
[04:46] <nhandler> scottk: If they are already accepted, I'll just push a new version with a bumped ubuntu revision
[04:46] <ScottK> OK
[04:48] <nhandler> Night
[04:54] <ScottK> nhandler: tvprogramme, toggle-compositing, teacooker, system-status, stockquote, kbstate, weather, weatherforecast, memusage all rejected.
[04:55] <ScottK> spellcheck and playwolf are already Source accepted, so I didn't touch those.
[05:02] <lex79> ScottK: I have this warning: dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file BIB_ManSlide/Help/doc_en.html~
[05:02] <lex79> How to fix please?
[05:02] <ScottK> Did you make the tarball yourself?
[05:02] <lex79> I downloaded from kde-apps
[05:03] <ScottK> I'm guessing you can ignore it.
[05:04] <lex79> ScottK: ok I ignore it, btw can I remove doc_en.html~ and repack tarball?
[05:04] <ScottK> Shouldn't repack the tarball just for that.
[05:05] <lex79> ok
[05:05] <lex79> thanks
[09:44] <agateau> rgreening: ping
[09:44] <Tonio_> hi agateau :)
[09:45] <agateau> hi Tonio_
[09:45] <Tonio_> ScottK, Riddell: plasma-widget-network-manager is waiting in NEW fyi
[10:10]  * jussi01 wishes someone would want to do some work on kwin... for separate xscreen support. I want my triple head!
[10:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: accepted, please change the seeds
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks ! doing this right now
[10:23] <Sput> jussi01: #kwin and #plasma, bring a cookie factory :)
[10:23] <jussi01> Sput: yeah, Im in #kwin ... who do I send vodka to there? :D
[10:24] <Sput> dunno the bods
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: seeds updated
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed there are pending changes waiting for a new kubuntu-meta upload...
[10:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that wanted purpose ? or could I upload ? I see adept droped ans so on...
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway I have to wait for the package to build since it won't be added since then :)
[10:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes that should be updated
[11:22] <ScottK> I'd suggest drop adept to the DvD for now.
[11:24] <ScottK> There's a 4.2.x schedule now?
[11:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I accepted the binaries
[11:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you take a look at bug 325138 ?
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did the patch and wstefens commited it, so I can close :)
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've seen an interesting one
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: about gtk-qt-engines...
[11:58] <Riddell> ...
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: Bug 327741
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: the idea is to use gtk-qt-engines for fonts and so on, but qtcurve for the teme
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is a lot better since there are now known problems with the bindings and qt4 theme
[12:00] <Riddell> what's the advantage of that?
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: look at the screenshots, you'll see the bugs fixed
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm the all thing
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is the bunch of dependancies that might come with it
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the technical points of using this are valid
[12:03] <Riddell> qtcurve doesn't fit in at all artisticly
[12:03] <Riddell> but if it fixes the many bugs we should consider it
[12:04] <Riddell> but why qt curve?  there's loads of themes
[12:04] <Riddell> probably even gtk oxygen ones that would fit in
[12:04] <Tonio_> because it "ressembles" to qt
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree that any other theme would probably fix
[12:05] <Tonio_> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
[12:05] <Tonio_> that's the problm with it I guess :)
[12:05] <Riddell> it doesn't resemble qt, it resembles qtcurve which we don't use
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: more than pango, I meant
[12:06] <Riddell> dependencies can be removed, that's what we do with gtk-qt-engine
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: our gtk-qt-engines is pretty old, we first can look at updating it if possible
[12:08] <Tonio_> hum unmaintained...
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll keep the bug opened and will try to figure out what to do...
[12:21] <Riddell> nixternal: do you know this guy? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184012
[12:24] <ghostcube> hello who is doing the kde 4.2 windows releases
[12:24] <ghostcube> :)
[12:24] <Riddell> nixternal: actually I mean this guy http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181048
[12:25] <ghostcube> ups its not kde dev channel sorry lol
[12:29] <ghostcube> btw kmail isnt in the windows ports :) i think Tonio_ you askd about :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> ghostcube: :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> ghostcube: it was super experimental last time I tested, therefore that doesn't surprise me much :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> ghostcube: but that sadens me btw
[12:30] <ghostcube> hehe i thought it has been ported many tools are ported
[12:30] <Tonio_> s/d/dd/
[12:30] <ghostcube> but maybe its in the latest unstable release i havent tested
[12:33] <ghostcube> nope :) its not in there
[12:33] <ghostcube> hehe
[13:02] <rgreening> OMG, my development laptop lid won't open. it's seezed up!
[13:03] <rgreening> I wonder if WD40 would work?
[13:03] <rgreening> \
[13:07]  * ScottK hands rgreening a hammer.
[13:08] <rgreening> ya. holy crap. im on the atom now. no compiling here
[13:09] <rgreening> I really need a remove system to dev from...hmmm...
[13:09] <rgreening> s/remove/remote/
[13:09] <ScottK> ssh from the atom?
[13:10] <rgreening> if I had somewhere to ssh to. can't open my other system lid to boot (in fear of lid breaking
[13:10] <ScottK> Ah.  Powered down.
[13:10] <rgreening> yup
[13:11] <ScottK> I've got a five year old here who when she was three managed to make the lid on a macbook so it wouldn't close that I can send you.
[13:11] <rgreening> lol
[13:11] <ScottK> She's got a proven performance record in this area.
[13:11] <rgreening> the 5yr old or the mac? :) hashaha
[13:11] <rgreening> hehe
[13:11] <ScottK> The mac is powerpc, so it wouldn't help you much.
[13:12] <rgreening> true dat
[13:12] <ScottK> speaking of which ...
[13:13] <ScottK> Riddell: The latest attempt at linux-ports built on powerpc.  If you could accept that out of binary New, I could get started seeing if we can get 4.2 to build on power pc ...
[13:14] <rgreening> I guess I'll have to go and get some grease or wd40 to see if I can coax the lid up without damaging it further.
[13:17] <Riddell> hmm, there's a script to do that, I wonder if I can work it out
[13:28] <ScottK> Which *parted library are we using these days?
[13:35] <Riddell> ScottK: libparted1.8-10 ?
[13:36] <ScottK> Just following the ext4 discussionon #ubuntu-devel and wondering if we need to update for ext4 too.
[13:37] <Riddell> ScottK: which we?
[13:37] <ScottK> Kubuntu we.
[13:37] <Riddell> ScottK: what do we have that cares about filesystems?
[13:38] <ScottK> Way back in ancient history I thought we used qtparted for something.
[13:38] <Riddell> only in dapper
[13:38] <ScottK> OK.
[13:38] <agateau> rgreening: ping
[13:39] <ScottK> I just thought I'd ask so we didn't end up with another "Ubuntu has it but Kubuntu doesn't" because we forgot to update something.
[13:39] <Riddell> ScottK: linux-ports accepted
[13:39] <Riddell> that overrides script takes ages to run
[13:39] <ScottK> Is it done?  Because LP shows i386 accepted, but powerpc still New.
[13:40] <Riddell> ScottK: try refresh?
[13:40] <ScottK> Tried.  Will try again.
[13:41] <ScottK> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux-ports/2.6.28-1.3 still says New for ppc here.
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: did you get my ping about update-notifier-kde?
[13:42] <Riddell> ScottK: hrm, wait a bit I guess, it's definately not in the soyuz queue now
[13:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: don't think so
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> I have a semi-important crash fix:
[13:43] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Will do.  Thanks for looking after it.
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> ironically, whenever apport is used it'll crash update-notifier-kde. Well, it won't any more since it got fixed. :P
[13:46] <rgreening> agateau: pong
[13:48] <agateau> rgreening: how did it go with the listview width?
[13:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: super, I'll upload after I have this soup
[13:53] <rgreening> agateau: I haven't tried it yet. my laptop broke. using a differnet one now
[13:53]  * rgreening is off to buy a new laptop...
[13:53] <agateau> rgreening: oh I see
[14:12]  * ScottK likes the sound of the Qt 4.5/KDE 4.2 discussion in http://dot.kde.org/2009/02/11/plasma-team-looks-future
[14:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-meta uploaded
[14:14] <Riddell> thanks
[14:15] <cbr> so we will have qt 4.5 soon?
[14:17] <ScottK> I think it depends on resolution of the question of the KDE upstream position on it.
[14:18] <ScottK> See the blog post I linke to a few minutes ago.
[14:18] <rgreening> ScottK: cool. does look like they may address our concerns
[14:18] <ScottK> rgreening: It does.  I hope so.
[14:19] <rgreening> me v2
[14:19] <ScottK> Qt and KDE are our major upstreams and it'd be REALLY handy if they could agree on this.
[14:19] <rgreening> agreed
[14:20] <ScottK> rgreening: It occurs to me that if you're looking for some remote place to do building of stuff the Amazon EC2 setup stuff that Ubuntu Server team is doing might give you an easy path to an affordable solution.
[14:21] <ScottK> Not a bad resume bullet either.
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: did you see the blog from the trolls? Nice discussion going there too
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> Ah, Thiago's blog
[14:24] <Riddell> which puts the burden on us distros
[14:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: the stickers are free, just send me your postal address
[14:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yeah.  I saw that.
[14:31] <Riddell> Tonio_, JontheEchidna: no stickers for you?
[14:31] <Riddell> jjesse__: ?
[14:32] <jjesse__> Riddell : i senet you an email
[14:32] <Riddell> jjesse__: I've not received one
[14:33] <jjesse__> i'll resend it today after this conference call
[14:35] <Riddell> seaLne: want stickers?
[14:35] <Riddell> txwikinger, Sime, sebas: last call for stickers, e-mail me your postal addresses
[14:36] <Riddell> freeflying, allee ^^
[14:36] <rgreening> ScottK: Is it Intel Core 2 Duo that allows use of the x64 arch?
[14:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I liked the KDE guys "maybe we'll do some patches for it" way better than the Troll's "let the distros sort it out"
[14:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: Core 2 is 64 bit
[14:36] <shtylman> stickers?!
[14:37] <ScottK> rgreening even ^^
[14:37] <rgreening> lol
[14:37] <rgreening> ty Riddell
[14:37] <freeflying> Riddell: how can I get the stickers? :)
[14:37] <seaLne> Riddell: stickers?
[14:37] <Riddell> freeflying: e-mail me your postal address
[14:37] <Riddell> seaLne: lovely Kubuntu ones
[14:37] <rgreening> Riddell: my lappy died :( so buying a replacement ASAP
[14:37] <seaLne> Riddell: ok, need my address again?
[14:37] <Riddell> seaLne: yes please
[14:38] <shtylman> Riddell: country specific? or anywhere? (I am in the US)
[14:38] <Riddell> shtylman: anywhere, if you're a kubuntu contributor
[14:38] <shtylman> gotcha
[14:49] <sebas> Riddell: sent
[14:49] <sebas> thanks
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: no thanks, I'm fine :)
[14:54] <Riddell> NCommander: stickers?
[14:55] <NCommander> huh?
[14:55] <ScottK> Riddell: LP is still showing the ppc kernel New here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue - No idea what's up with that.  I'm heading out for a few hours and I'll check back then.
[14:55] <Riddell> NCommander: e-mail me your postal address if you want kubuntu stickers
[14:55] <NCommander> Sure
[14:56] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell: isn't plasma-widget-network-manager wrong name (after recent rename upstream to network management). I would think that plasma-widget-networkmanagement would be more accurate
[14:59] <freeflying> Riddell: how many stickers can I have, beijinglug will hold a install fest for girls next month
[15:00] <Riddell> freeflying: just one sheet I'm afraid
[15:00] <Riddell> freeflying: it includes about 10 stickers I think
[15:01] <Lure> freeflying: get more addresses to Riddell ;-)
[15:01] <Riddell> freeflying: what's "Pockey Lam" ?
[15:05] <freeflying> Riddell: a girl :)
[15:23] <jjesse> Riddell: best address for stickers
[15:26] <jjesse> Riddell: i can haz stickers pleaze email on way
[15:30] <Riddell> jjesse: got it
[15:48] <ScottK> Riddell: The mysterious kernel finally appeared.  Thanks if you gave it another push.
[15:48]  * ScottK has mesa requeued now and we'll see how far we get on Power.
[15:49] <Riddell> when did PowerPC become just Power?
[15:50] <ScottK> When I got tired of typing the whole thing.
[15:50] <ScottK> I guess ppc would be clearer and shorter.
[15:51] <Riddell> well it often is just called Power
[15:52] <ScottK> Then I guess I got lucky.
[15:53] <ScottK> Once again, I'd really appreciate it if someone with 4.1 could verify Bug #318866 as it's the last thing blocking the 4.1.4 transition to intrepid-updates.
[15:54] <ScottK> I double checked last night and my printer is parallel only and my laptop that has 4.1.4 has no parallel port, so I can't test it ...
[15:56] <Riddell> it'll need a USB printer
[15:57] <Riddell> asking in #kubuntu
[16:00] <Riddell> we are supposed to have a sru-verification team for this sort of thing...
[16:16] <nixternal> Riddell: never head or saw of that guy in my life...that is a first
[16:17] <nixternal> never seen him on the docs mailing list or the docs channel either
[16:17] <Riddell> nixternal: want to contact him and bring him in?
[16:17] <nixternal> ya I will respond to that bug for more info
[16:17] <vorian> Riddell: with kolourpaint, do we just need to move kolourpaint4 > kolourpaint (with appropriate Replaces/Conflicts)?
[16:18] <Riddell> vorian: what's the issue?
[16:18] <vorian> there is no issue, I was looking at the "to-do" list
[16:20] <Riddell> vorian: it's a qustion of if we want it on the CD, I think we don't, others think we do
[16:21] <vorian> Riddell: ok
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> ktorrent needs updating/merging btw
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> A while back I almost got it working but it failed trying to install an .xpm icon, and we had KDE packaging work to do
[17:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about Lure proposal ? plasma-widget-networkmanagement ?
[17:05] <Tonio_> would make sense, since indeed upstream renamed it 3 weeks ago
[17:05] <jussi01> Tonio_: you looking for a name for the plasma nm-applet?
[17:05] <Tonio_> jussi01: well Lure proposed this, and this would make sense in my opinion...
[17:05] <Tonio_> on the other hand, it is a frontend for network-manager
[17:06] <jussi01> Tonio_: at least I would propose: plasma-widget-networkmanager
[17:06] <Tonio_> so..... I think I prefer the current name, but I'm not the only one choosing :)
[17:06] <Tonio_> jussi01: and as part of kubuntu-desktop, most people will never figure out the name of the package :)
[17:07] <jussi01> or even better I would say, network-manager-plasma-widget, following on from network-manager-gnome
[17:07] <Riddell> seems like a bad choice of upstream not to call it something related to network-manager
[17:07] <jussi01> even network-manager-plasma ?
[17:08] <jussi01> or network-manager-plasmoid ?
[17:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: the plasmoid for powerdevil isn't called powerdevil-something, but simply "battery monitor"
[17:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think the "network management" name comes from the same principle...
[17:09] <Tonio_> considering people don't have to know it is a frontend for something called network-manager
[17:10] <Tonio_> which makes sense imho :)
[17:14] <Riddell> people searching for the package may well know about network manager
[17:15] <Riddell> anyway, I don't have an opinion
[17:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: it'll be installed by default
[17:17] <smarter> it needs to indicate in the long desc that it's a network-manager frontend at least
[17:18] <ScottK> jussi01: Debian has settled on plasma-widget-foo for a naming scheme and we are following in that.
[17:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: and well.... we can learn them to use : apt-cache rdepends network-manager | xargs apt-cache show | grep kde
[17:18] <Tonio_> :)
[17:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: seriously, I was wondering about something...
[17:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: alt+space is unused, right now, and used to be the default for katapult
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: it also is the default for osx and windows launchers...
[17:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we consider enabling krunner on alt+space ?
[17:19] <Tonio_>  Riddell also, that's a lot easier to type in than alt+f2
[17:25] <shtylman> I change the binding to alt+space
[17:25] <shtylman> cause I was used to katapult
[17:26] <shtylman> easier on the hands too, cause your thumb is generally already on spacebar and the other one is near the alt key, just my $0.02
[17:27] <Riddell> shrug, alt+f2 is common across KDE and GNome
[17:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm talking about an alternative shortcut :) not a replacement
[17:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: so that it can be called with alt+f2 or alt+space
[17:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't that make sense ?
[17:35] <Riddell> again, no opinion, do it if you like :)
[17:47] <Riddell> allee: my e-mail doesn't do UTF 8, what are the characters I can't see?
[17:48] <allee> Riddell: ü or write 'ue' instead
[17:49] <Riddell> allee: your address makes it sound like you work with aliens :)
[17:49] <allee> Riddell: some scientist here are like them ;)
[18:10] <shtylman> does work still need to be done on the ubiquity installer? I am reading the todo list and I see that has 'none' next to it...
[18:14] <Riddell> shtylman: yes
[18:14] <Riddell> shtylman: the easy item is to change it to a KApplication from a QApplication
[18:14] <Riddell> shtylman: harder stuff includes the new timezone map
[18:23] <vorian> there's a crapton of plasmiods needing a second review on REVU, if someone has time
[18:24] <shtylman> Riddell: ok, I would like to tackle the easy item first, and then move onto the harder item schedule permitting. Where should I get started? and who should I submit patches to?
[18:25] <Riddell> shtylman: have you ever done python and/or pykde programming before?
[18:26] <shtylman> Riddell: python yes...pykde not really
[18:28] <Riddell> shtylman: may want to start by looking over http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Languages/Python/PyKDE_WebKit_Tutorial
[18:29] <Riddell> then you can branch ubiquity and see if you can change it from a Qt app to a KDE one  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk
[18:29] <Riddell> ubiquity is a large and complex application though
[18:29] <Riddell> and of course it's an installer so don't go past the final stage or it'll wipe your hard drive and generally don't run it on a machine that you don't mind being wiped
[18:30] <Riddell> generally I  apt-get install ubiquity   and edit the files from the package, then copy the files back to the bzr archive
[18:32] <shtylman> Riddell: heh, noted. And I assume I should be using the current ubiquity package from jaunty?
[18:34] <Riddell> shtylman: yes
[18:36]  * Riddell out for a few hours
[20:37] <Quintasan> umm I have a wierd problem. Fist time I uploaded changes file to PPA it was accepted, now it gets rejected because of "Unhandled exception processing upload: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0142' in position 71: ordinal not in range(128)" Anyone can tell me whats going on?
[20:43] <smarter> Quintasan: increments the version number and reupload
[20:43] <smarter> seems to be a transient bug with LP
[20:44] <Quintasan> smarter: thanks
[21:04] <Sime> OMG, the wife was almost 3 hours without internet... call about a survival situation...
[21:06] <Sime> talk about
[21:09] <Tscheesy> Sime: time for an Openmoko ;) but not longer :D
[21:10] <Tscheesy> btw KDE4 for ARM? is this an option?
[21:12] <ScottK> Yes
[21:12] <ScottK> In Jaunty, which is the first release which has ARM, KDE 4.2 is fully built.
[21:12] <ScottK> It could stand some testing ....
[21:12] <ScottK> None of the regularly active developers has arm ...
[21:12] <Tscheesy> hmm
[21:13] <seele> ugh, i meant to test that the last time you asked about it
[21:13]  * seele has homework to do first. boo inferential statistics :(
[21:14]  * Tscheesy needs some lectures..
[21:14] <ScottK> seele: We have full CD images on armel now.
[21:14] <ScottK> lpia too (alternate only) for those with an atom.
[21:14] <Tscheesy> How big? unpacked?
[21:15] <seele> hmm.. i wonder if my SD card just needs reformatted or if it's fried
[21:15]  * seele isn't a big fan of sd media
[21:15]  * Tscheesy has a 8GB microSD 
[21:16] <ScottK> Tscheesy: Dunno unpacked.  Packed it fits on a CD, so I'd guess you're OK.
[21:16] <ScottK> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-armel.iso
[21:16] <Tscheesy> so i now what to .. thanks ScottK
[21:17] <ScottK> Tscheesy: If you figure out how to do it, a how-to would be greatly appreciated.
[21:17] <Tscheesy> any chance for a *buntu Touch-Screen Client?
[21:19] <Tscheesy> ScottK: i'll give it a try acc. the Android. way of install.. hope the Bootmanager wil work.. cause it's surly a large kernel..
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 924880
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> doesn't seem to have been backported to 4.2 yet...
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> I might have to backport it to 4.1 and 4.2
[21:24] <rgreening> ScottK: I got a new laptop
[21:24] <rgreening> Keyboard is icky...
[21:25] <rgreening> international one, and the left shift is half size
[21:26] <rgreening> Can I remap the caps lock and shift key easily?
[21:35] <Sime> does anyone where know if the Python marble bindings have been packaged? or will be packaged?
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> Sime: I seem to recall that they aren't at the moment
[21:42] <Sime> JontheEchidna: yeah, I couldn't find them. bummer
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> they're in kdebindings, correct?
[21:43] <Sime> JontheEchidna: they are part of kdeedu/marble, and need to be turned on during the build.
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> just need to know which module to cmake to find out why we aren't building them
[22:21] <Quintasan> night guys (and girls if any ;)
[22:27] <Tm_T> if?!
[22:36] <ghostcube> hi folks are there still any daily 8.10 alternate releases for kubuntu ?
[22:47] <ScottK> ghostcube: You mean 9.04?
[22:47] <ScottK> 8.10 is done.
[22:48] <ghostcube> ScottK, hmm ah i only know from debian that there are daily updated release cds with all fixes till then
[22:48] <ghostcube> i thought this is for ubuntu too
[22:48] <ScottK> No.
[22:49] <ScottK> We do dailies for the development release.
[22:49] <ScottK> For released versions CD images don't normally get updated.  LTS releases are the exception.
[22:49] <ghostcube> ah ok ScottK thx :)
[22:50] <ScottK> We also did an exception for Hardy Kubuntu because although not LTS, it's the last KDE3 release.
[23:13] <Riddell> new system-config-printer-kde is up in jaunty and in my ~jr PPA in intrepid
[23:13] <Riddell> testers welcome
[23:14] <Riddell> seele: you may take a look, it's pretty rough still but at least it shows progress
[23:14] <Riddell> you can say what area you think needs work first :)
[23:17]  * seele fires up virtualbox
[23:17] <Riddell> seele: not on 4.2 yet?
[23:18] <seele> Riddell: oh, your ppa has a build for intrepid?
[23:18]  * seele just assumes everyone is working in jaunty by now
[23:18] <Riddell> seele: yes, it needs kubuntu-experimental for 4.2
[23:19] <ghostcube> whats this doing guys :)
[23:19]  * jussi01 sighs... :(
[23:20] <seele> Riddell: ah, well i gots that
[23:21] <ghostcube> what is this package replacing inside of kde ?
[23:21] <ghostcube> the dialog if i start print job ?
[23:24] <seele> the printer configuration ui, not the printer ui
[23:24] <Riddell> it's part of KDE
[23:24] <ghostcube> ahh ok btw where is it gone lol is there any in kde 4.2 or is this the first one cause i just looked into systemsettings and cant find it :D
[23:25] <ghostcube> i always config my printers by cups web interface
[23:25] <ghostcube> ah got it
[23:25] <ghostcube> sorry iam blind
[23:30] <seele> Riddell: is there anything that doesnt work or I should try to click before i break something?
[23:31] <seele> Riddell: you want feedback here, in email, or wikie page, etc.?
[23:33] <nhandler> We are meant to remove THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE and modify plasmoids to use the version of kde.mk that ships with cdbs, right?
[23:36] <ScottK> nhandler: kde.mk/kde4.mk, but yes.
[23:37] <nhandler> ScottK: Yeah, that is what I meant.
[23:38] <nhandler> Can debian/cdbs/dh_sameversiondeps also be removed?
[23:42] <ScottK> All the debian/cdbs stuff can go AFAIK.
[23:45] <nhandler> One last question, for the .install files, they are only for packages with the transitional packages to avoid empty binaries. I looked at the .install file in some of the other plasma widgets, and they had usr/share/kde4/services/* and usr/lib/kde4/*. For one of the plasma widgets I was working on, it installs files in a different sub directory of usr/share/kde4. Is it fine to add usr/share/kde4/* to the .install file?