[00:00] <Shadowkllr> how do I edit an apparmor profile?
[00:01] <cuznt> !apparmor
[00:18] <barry_> poop
[00:30] <dashcloud> hi, is there a known issue with switching resolutions in 8.10? it keeps dropping me to the login screen if I try to change it
[00:31] <Shadowkllr> woot
[00:31] <Shadowkllr> i think i fixed my apparmor problems w/ mysql
[00:34] <kaddi> dashcloud I have the same issue. IMHO X crashes which takes you back to the login scrren
[00:34] <kaddi> screen
[00:34] <dashcloud> I'm quite sure 8.04 didn't have that issue
[00:34] <_Trepan_> I've had that happen when trying to go into PlaneShift in fullscreen mode
[00:35] <_Trepan_> I wonder if it's a KDE thing.. I had it happening a lot more often in 4.1
[00:35]  * kaddi is waiting for dashcloud to come back :D
[00:35] <_Trepan_> now that I've got 4.2 it happens less
[00:36] <kaddi> I can't tell... I only realised this after moving to 8.10 and kde 4.2
[00:36] <kaddi> never tried to change the settings with 4.1
[00:37] <mado> oi guys and gals ... hello there ... i read that kde4.2 was out ... erm ... would it be good if i installed it too? ...
[00:38] <kaddi> anyone worked through adding different backgrounds on different desktops?
[00:39] <mado> i'm asking because i saw that it in a place something called like "kubuntu-experimental" ... and well ... i don't want experimental stuff ... i want some stuff that doesn't freeze and such things
[00:39] <kaddi> i don't really understand how the activities are supposed to work and whether i need to save them separately befor modifying plasmarc
[00:42] <mits> hi... could anyone tell me what speeds should i expect for a large file copy between disks? i get something like 15-25mb/s
[00:42] <kaddi> mado: experimental means thet it's experimental. i myself am seeing fewer problems with 4.2 than with 4.1 but i can crash plasma whenever i want to ;)
[00:43] <kaddi> that
[00:43] <khalidmian> im facing issues in trying to connect to messenger  plugin via kopete
[00:45] <kaddi> khalidmian: google says a reinstall might help: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3100809
[00:45] <mado> kaddi, and what do you think? ... should i try and install kde4.2?
[00:45] <mado> it can't get worse can it? :)
[00:45] <kaddi> mado: i'm in no way an experienced user. this is my home machine. i don't do really important stuff on it and i save my documents frequently
[00:46] <kaddi> so i don't mind if it crashes frequently
[00:46] <kaddi> :p
[00:46] <mado> :)
[00:46] <mado> well ... i don't do important things too ... just the usual office-internet-emails-and such things-stuff
[00:47] <syockit> mado: well, if you insist, back up your .kde stuff
[00:47] <syockit> mado: let me remind though: downgrading afterwards is painful
[00:47] <mado> oh! ... :|
[00:48] <mado> ok ... *thinking*
[00:48] <syockit> keep log of what it's trying to install when installing kde4.2 . then you'll know what to remove
[00:48] <mado> how do i go about backing up all the stuff i've done so far syockit ?
[00:49] <mado> and what can i back up? ...
[00:49] <syockit> ummm...... maybe as simple as cp -r ~/.kde ~/.kdebackup ?
[00:49] <mado> syockit, ... i didn't know because i'm new to linux :)
[00:49] <syockit> since it's only kde, and not full distro upgrade, I suppose that should be enough
[00:50] <syockit> it doesn't matter if you're new. If you are adventurous, this might prove a thrilling experience
[00:50] <syockit> just be sure to take safety precautions
[00:50] <kaddi> khalidmian: the link worked for me, uninstall, reinstall and recreate your messenger account... your others account shouldn't be touched (they weren't in my case)
[00:50] <mado> erm ... ok ... and erm ... is there a way to back up my whole system?
[00:50] <kaddi> backup would be good anyways ;)
[00:51] <mado> i thought it would be a nice thing if i could just save the actual status of my system and programs and so on ...
[00:51] <syockit> mado: I'm not so sure. I'veheard of many backup methods, something like using a time machine
[00:52] <syockit> it's like the apple thing
[00:52] <syockit> you can copy the whole /home/<user name> folder to somewhere, if it's not that big
[00:52] <syockit> then in case the os fails, you can reinstall the system, and copy back the home directory
[00:54] <mado> *thinking*
[00:55] <kaddi> anyone worked through adding different backgrounds on different desktops?
[00:55] <kaddi> i don't really understand how the activities are supposed to work and whether i need to save them separately befor modifying plasmarc
[00:55] <syockit> kaddi: on kde 4.2?
[00:55] <kaddi> yes
[00:55] <kaddi> i found some directions online, but i don't really understand them / they aren't working for me
[00:55] <syockit> actually activities and virtual desktops are made different
[00:56] <syockit> and you have to enable it by a tweak
[00:56] <syockit> note: it's easier to start with a fresh plasmarc
[00:56] <kaddi> ok, so i don't select any preferential plasma theme or anything?
[00:56] <syockit> kaddi: it also involves editing plasma-appletsrc
[00:57] <kaddi> should i move plasmarc to a backup and let plasma recreate the default one?
[00:57] <syockit> kaddi: um, I suppose you can do that after you completed the transition
[00:57] <kaddi> syockit: i'm willing to try. :)
[00:57] <syockit> kaddi: plasmarc AND plasma-appletsrc
[00:57] <syockit> kaddi: copy them somewhere
[00:57] <kaddi> ok. :)
[00:57] <syockit> kaddi: have your terminal ready
[00:58] <syockit> kaddi: we gonna kill your plasma
[00:58] <syockit> kaddi: at terminal: xquitapp plasma
[00:58] <syockit> kaddi: *kquitapp
[00:59] <kaddi> was just going to say ;)
[00:59] <kaddi> RIP plasma :(
[00:59] <kaddi> ;)
[00:59] <kaddi> plasma is dead
[01:00] <syockit> kaddi: plasma-appletsrc's content can be recovered later if you want. now let's delete both plasmarc and plasma-appletsrc
[01:00] <syockit> kaddi: then make a new plasmarc, with this content:
[01:01] <syockit> kaddi: (line 1) [General] (line2) perVirtualDesktopViews=true
[01:01] <syockit> kaddi: then restart plasma
[01:02] <kaddi> syockit: done :)
[01:02] <kaddi> second screen is now completely black and no rightclick is possible
[01:02] <syockit> kaddi: please tell me the current condition of plasma? what's on desktop 2/3
[01:02] <syockit> kaddi: ok
[01:02] <kaddi> (no third desktop present ;) )
[01:03] <syockit> kaddi: now kquitapp plasma again. we gonna edit plasma-appletsrc this time
[01:03] <kaddi> syockit: plasma is dead :)
[01:03] <syockit> kaddi: edit plasma-appletsrc, locate the containment that has plugin=desktop
[01:04] <syockit> kaddi: there should be 2 of them
[01:04] <syockit> (in my case, 4)
[01:04] <kaddi> syockit: found them
[01:04] <kaddi> syockit: there are more than 2
[01:04] <syockit> kaddi: 3?
[01:05] <kaddi> yes
[01:05] <syockit> kaddi: I don't know why it does that. it did that on mine too.
[01:05] <kaddi> in containments [1] [14] and [15]
[01:05] <syockit> kaddi: anyways, checkout the dekstop= entry
[01:06] <syockit> kaddi: you can delete containment[15] and its children
[01:06] <kaddi> syockit: for [1] desktop=1, for [14] and [15] desktop=-1
[01:06] <kaddi> ok, i'll do that :)
[01:06] <syockit> kaddi: okay. for [1], desktop=0 . [2], desktop=1
[01:07] <kaddi> syockit should i rename 14 into 2 or does this make no difference?
[01:07] <ott0> find /usr/bin  -type l  -name "z*" -exec ls  -l {} \;                 what are the {} and \; for in that?
[01:07] <syockit> kaddi: no difference. you can rename if you want, but make sure it does not conflict with existing plasmoids
[01:07] <syockit> kaddi: next, is to check whether it has wallpaper plasmoid or not
[01:08] <kaddi> syockit: they're staying as they are... :D
[01:08] <syockit> kaddi: is there a [Containments][14][Wallpaper][image] there?
[01:08] <syockit> kaddi: if not, copy [1]'s, then rename to 14
[01:09] <kaddi> syockit: doing this right now :)
[01:09] <syockit> kaddi: can you tell me the screen= entry for [1] and [14] as well?
[01:10] <kaddi> syockit: screen is 0 for [1] and -1 for [14]
[01:10] <mado> syockit, ... ok ... i guess i will wait for a more stable version of 4.2 ... erm ...
[01:10] <mado> can you help me with that too -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/116646/ ?
[01:10] <syockit> kaddi: give [14] a screen=0 as well
[01:11] <mado> i tried to install syockit this -> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+(Yet+Another+Weather+Plasmoid)?content=94106
[01:11] <kaddi> syockit: done. :) and thanks so much. :D
[01:11] <syockit> kaddi: now probably you can start plasma
[01:12] <syockit> kaddi: if it succeeds, you can kill it again, and copy paste the children plasmoids from old plasma-appletsrc
[01:12] <syockit> mado: hmm, needs builder stuff
[01:12] <mallize> can someone tell me how to make compiz my default windows manager in kubuntu8.10
[01:12] <kaddi> syockit: success :)
[01:12] <mado> builder stuff? ...
[01:13] <mado> anything special?
[01:13] <kaddi> syockit: thanks so much. :) i got stuck after inserting "perVirtualDesktopViews=true" inte the plasmarc :D
[01:14] <syockit> kaddi: yeah me too. I got it by starting clean
[01:14] <mado> kaddi, ... am i allowed to know what you did? :)
[01:14] <kaddi> would never have found the solution on my own :p
[01:14] <mado> what kind of stuff do i need to install syockit ?
[01:15] <kaddi> mado: from what I understand I manually activated a feature which will only be available from the GUI in kde 4.3
[01:16] <kaddi> mado: i'm now able to customize each virtual desktop independently :)
[01:16] <syockit> mado: no, it's not on kde4.1
[01:16] <khalid> hello
[01:16] <kaddi> !hi |khalid
[01:16] <mado> so you now can do stuff that others like me have to wait for kaddi ... :)
[01:16] <khalid> algien sabe hablar espñol
[01:17] <kaddi> !es |khalid
[01:17] <mado> :)
[01:17] <khalid> gracias
[01:17] <khalid> es que soy nuvo en linux
[01:18] <kaddi> mado: it really depends on what you want.. i destroyed my plasma settings twice yesterday trying to do this on my own :)
[01:19] <mado> well ... i don't really know what i want :) ... but ...
[01:19] <mado> here ... have a look at that
[01:19] <mado> for example ... http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/yaWP+(Yet+Another+Weather+Plasmoid)?content=94106
[01:19] <mado> i thought it would be nice to have such a thing on the desktop kaddi
[01:20] <mado> or the weather-tool in this image -> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Arezzo?content=84403
[01:20] <syockit> mado: try sudo apt-get install libplasma-dev
[01:21] <syockit> mado: then retry the installing
[01:21] <khalid> ubottu no se como puedo entrar a la sala de ubuntu-es
[01:21] <mado> ok ... i will syockit
[01:22] <mado> khalid, ... "/join #kubuntu-es" ?
[01:22] <mado> do you need this kind of information?
[01:22] <kaddi> next thing i'll do is a backup of the working plasmarc&appletsrc just in case :D
[01:22] <mado> :)
[01:23] <mado> syockit, -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/116651/
[01:24] <mado> oops
[01:24] <khalid> pueden explecarme como puedo desgargar python
[01:24] <mado> wait a sec ... i guess i copied to much :)
[01:24] <mado> yeah ... it is too much
[01:24] <mado> syockit, -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/116652/
[01:25] <syockit> heck, I wonder if it doesn't install everything needed
[01:26] <syockit> mado: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[01:26] <kom6> low
[01:26] <kom6> apaan tuch
[01:26] <mado> there's no "build-essentials" syockit
[01:27] <syockit> mado: sorry, no s at the end. build-essential
[01:27] <_Trepan_> anyone know of some good wifi tools I could use to get realtime stats on a wifi connection?
[01:27] <mado> uh! :) ... thanks
[01:27] <_Trepan_> I want to set up an antenna and need to see where the signal is strongest
[01:29] <mado> there's an error-message showing me that i should install "msgfmt" but i can't find it in my sources
[01:29] <khalidmian> ubottu: ne comprendo espagnol
[01:29] <khalidmian> im facing issues in trying to connect to messenger  plugin via kopete
[01:30] <mado> syockit, ... msgfmt is not in my repositories :)
[01:31] <syockit> what's that? why's it needed?
[01:31] <syockit> mado: have you enabled universe & multiverse?
[01:31] <mado> as far as i know ... yes
[01:31] <syockit> mado: who asked for msgfmt?
[01:31] <mado> yes ... it's enabled
[01:32] <mado> CMake Error at po/CMakeLists.txt:6 (MESSAGE):
[01:32] <mado>   Please install the msgfmt binary
[01:32] <mado> that's one error
[01:32] <mado> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/116652/ ... line 15
[01:33] <kaddi> khalidmian: what kde are you using?
[01:33] <_Trepan_> how do I do a mass partial rename of files?  eg I want to change filenames that have 'ted' in it to have 'bob' in place of 'ted'
[01:35] <mado> wasn't there a menu-entry in dolphin _Trepan_ ? *thinking*
[01:35] <syockit> mado: and you retried? then sudo apt-get install cdbs
[01:37] <_Trepan_> not that I've seen, but I could be wrong
[01:37] <mado> well ... i'm not sure too _Trepan_ ... i'm just new to kubuntu and linux ... but i think that i saw or read of one
[01:38] <mado> syockit, ... that's it ...
[01:38] <mado> now it installed
[01:38] <mado> erm ... all i have to do now is to find that thing so that i can place it on the desktop
[01:38] <_Trepan_> mado:  If I select all and then hit Rename, it will name them all the same with an incremental number, but that's not quite what I'm looking for
[01:39] <_Trepan_> it might still be there somewhere though
[01:39] <salamandra> hola alguien que hable español?
[01:39] <legodude> !es
[01:39] <salamandra> ohh bin gracias
[01:39] <legodude> de nada
[01:40] <mado> _Trepan_, ... uhuu ... i see ... ... if i find it before you ... i will tell you :)
[01:40] <mado> but maybe one of the other guys or gals can help you out before :)
[01:40] <mado> syockit, ... found it ... now i try to configure it
[01:42] <mado> syockit, it works :)
[01:42] <mado> it can also find the small town i live in :)
[01:42] <mado> thank you for your help ... thank you very much!
[01:45] <syockit> _Trepan_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=389667 might give a clue
[01:45] <maco> how do i turn off kwin's compositing in kde 4.2?
[01:46] <syockit> maco: in system settings>desktop
[01:47] <meistroli> evening all..
[01:48] <maco> syockit: would that be "enable desktop effects"?
[01:48] <meistroli> Have question.. Am about to buy a AMD athlon 64 duel core processor running at 4.8GHz.. Will Ubuntu 8.10 run on it
[01:49] <syockit> maco: uncheck that box
[01:49] <syockit> maco: and apply
[01:49] <maco> ok
[01:49] <maco> so now to run a test
[01:50] <syockit> meistroli: yes it supports dual core. but don't forget other hardwares!
[01:51] <maco> woohoo
[01:51] <maco> woohoo
[01:51] <syockit> meistroli: lan, wifi, graphics, sound
[01:51] <meistroli> nods..
[01:51] <syockit> maco: what wer you trying? some game?
[01:51] <syockit> maco: or 3dmark?
[01:51] <maco> syockit: no, im using uxa acceleration and it crashes X when compiz is enabled and you resume from suspend
[01:52] <meistroli> no mostly some programming and go into SL
[01:52] <maco> on saturday, it worked fine with kwin's acceleration. today it does the same as with compiz
[01:52] <_Trepan_> syockit: thanks that was exactly what I needed
[01:52] <maco> so yay for consistency, and yay for a workaround to the thing where i get logged out on resume, but boo to the inconvenience
[01:52] <syockit> maco: on intel or something? I was considering uxa too, but now that you said it...
[01:52] <maco> (this is a jaunty bug with experimental uxa support in the -intel driver)
[01:52] <maco> oh it makes the compositing all fast and smooth
[01:53] <maco> it works really well
[01:53] <maco> but if compositing is enabled when you suspend, you'll resume to your login manager
[01:53] <syockit> meistroli: if the box isn't self assembled, you gonna have to check each hardware it has
[01:54] <syockit> meistroli: an unofficial list: http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/
[01:54] <meistroli> Nods comes assembled.. G-Force graphics card and DVD-RW
[01:55] <meistroli> nods thanks will check the site
[01:55] <meistroli> Thanks for the help syockit
[01:56] <syockit> meistroli: since that site isn't really that big, I suggest you search ubuntuforums.org too
[01:56] <syockit> meistroli: and search for thread 6 months or newer
[01:56] <syockit> I wish google allows for more custom date search
[01:57] <syockit> just as I said that.... http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/useful-google-feature-better-date-search/
[01:58] <kaddi> syockit: just wanted to let you know, that you rock. :D you have an answer for everything... even your own wishes :D
[01:58] <syockit> kaddi: :)
[01:58] <triph> Hiya Folks
[01:59] <TripH> Ditched by a channel? >.>
[01:59] <meistroli> nods.. Let me get to reading.. Night All and thanks again
[02:08] <kaddi> how do i install further window decoration for kde4.2 ? are there any more than the default ones?
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache search kwin-style
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> should list all the available ones
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> there should be like 4 in Jaunty
[02:10] <kaddi> i'm still on intrepid :)
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> oh, then maybe not :P
[02:11] <kaddi> i was just going to ask if i could find them in some superexperimental rep :p
[02:11] <kaddi> would it be a good or a bad idea to install compiz and try to customize windows with that?
[02:15] <salamandra> hi!  wich is the best ftp server?
[02:23] <salamandra> a
[02:27] <kaddi> as nobody protested i naturally assumed, that it would be a great idea to install compiz as well. i get an option "compiz desktop effects" in my system.
[02:27] <kaddi> jet i can't select anything, to i have to do somehting else to make this work=
[02:27] <kaddi> ?
[02:28] <kaddi> restart X or anything?
[02:51] <kc8tpz> what could cause the installer to fail to install grub with a dual boot with vista64?
[02:51] <kc8tpz> it didn't really give any information when the installer crashed
[02:57] <tekteen> has it crashed multable times?
[02:57] <tekteen> I suggest you try #ubuntu
[02:57] <tekteen> this place looks emty
[03:03] <blueraven> anyone here seen those new external harddrives that can fit in your pocket?
[03:04] <blueraven> essential portable or whatever
[03:06] <Reed_Solomon> thats nothing new
[03:09] <kaddi> heya :D it's me again again: I'm trying to use the compiz destop effects. When I open the desktop windows effect from compiz in the system-menu I get an totally grayed out application
[03:09] <kaddi> it then asks me to hit "install pakets" which tries to install compiz-kde and 2 more packages
[03:10] <kaddi> compiz-kde depends on libplasma2 which is not installed with kde4.2 so what can I do?
[03:10] <kaddi> can I force compiz to use libplasma3?
[03:13] <ubuntu_> hi i just tried to upgrade to kde4.2 but i some some error and now my kde is not working is there any way i can try to reinstall all the kde4.2 packages
[03:14] <ubuntu_> anyone please
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> ubuntu_: can you log in to the console?
[03:15] <ubuntu_> JontheEchidna: yes i can do that
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> ok, if you could do a sudo apt-get install -f and pastebin the error?
[03:16] <ubuntu_> there is no error anymore i did it once and i got an error but now it doesn't say anything is bad
[03:16] <ubuntu_> i am on the livecd now
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> so, did you do an install and then try upgrading to 4.2?
[03:19] <ubuntu_> no i tryed upgrading and i got and error and it told me to type sudo apt-get install -f to see what went wrong
[03:19] <ubuntu_> but i don't recall the output so i did it again and i got nothing
[03:22] <ubuntu_> JontheEchidna: what do you think i should do? is there a way of reinstalling it?
[03:25] <sep1318> so, a recent X update doesn't play nice with proprietary drivers, which means it reboots every time i try to login, and crashes when i log into the console and startx manually. does anybody know how to roll back the update via the terminal, or how i can connect to the net to see if there's been a further update that fixes it?
[03:26] <maco> sep1318: dpkg -i --force-downgrade using the older packages from /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:26] <sep1318> maco: do i need to specify what to downgrade?
[03:27] <syockit> sep1318: check the logs
[03:27] <maco> sep1318: yes, you have to give it the package you want to install that's older than your current one
[03:27] <maco> like, the actual deb
[03:27] <sep1318> right, i figured that. so i'll have to hunt around for it the the archive/log?
[03:27] <sep1318> fun.
[03:28] <sep1318> thanks, i'll reboot and try it. (on my windows partition right now, uggh)
[03:28] <maco> sep1318: can also grab it from launchpad librarian
[03:28] <syockit> sep1318: sudo less /var/log/apt/term.log
[03:28] <sep1318> o? that might be easier
[03:28] <sep1318> oki.
[03:29] <maco> eh, i think /var/cache/apt/archives/ is easier
[03:29] <maco> its already there, dont need to do anything internet-y
[03:29] <syockit> dunno if he cleaned once
[03:29] <sep1318> i don't remember when i last cleaned.
[03:29] <syockit> ah, oh well. the updated packages are there
[03:30] <syockit> so just need to check the names of the packages remainning, and install older version
[03:30] <maco> yeah
[03:30] <sep1318> uhhuh
[03:30] <maco> do a ls -lArt | grep xserver-xorg*
[03:30] <syockit> nevertheless, sudo less /var/log/apt/term.log is the most powerful solution, you get to see everything it installed!
[03:30] <maco> should put the newest things at the bottom of your screen, only the X-related ones
[03:31] <syockit> in the /var/cache/apt/archives/ folder
[03:32] <sep1318> cool.
[03:32] <sep1318> i'll reboot and try those out, then. see you in a bit, hopefully. thanks for the help.
[03:38] <administrador> hhñ
[03:55] <tommy> is there a easy way to install googleearthlinux.bin I downloaded it on desktop but thats it
[03:55] <tommy> i got ubuntu 8
[04:05] <tommy> is there a way in terminal to see others pcs
[04:05] <badpc> how do you manage themes in kde?
[04:10] <khalidmian> looking to see an answer or solution for kopete inability to connect to messenger plugin
[04:11] <khalidmian> kopete says status as connecting and never online
[04:15] <sep1318> maco \ syockit: it didn't work.
[04:15] <zeroforce> buenas?
[04:15] <zeroforce> ola a todosss
[04:15] <mr-t---> !es
[04:15] <zeroforce> como van
[04:15] <zeroforce> this is not a problem for me...
[04:16] <mr-t---> bien
[04:16] <zeroforce> jejeje
[04:16] <zeroforce> que se dice por aca eh?
[04:16] <mr-t---> no se
[04:16] <mr-t---> !en
[04:17] <maco> sep1318: what all did you install of the old stuff?
[04:17] <maco> just your driver, or -core as well?
[04:17] <zeroforce> tengo un pregunta sobre kubuntu me puedes ayudar?
[04:18] <mr-t---> #kubuntu-es
[04:18] <syockit> sep1318: you downgraded or not?
[04:18] <sep1318> maco: nothing. i tried looking around for -core like you guys suggested, but even though locate said that /var/cache/apt/archives/...-core existed, dpkg and ls didn't think it did.
[04:18] <syockit> sep1318: also, does internet work? if so, consider installing irssi for text based irc
[04:18] <sep1318> syockit: nope. running finch, hard-lined into my router.
[04:19] <syockit> sep1318: so you still on ubuntu, or other os?
[04:19] <maco> sep1318: did you give it the full path?
[04:19] <maco> sep1318: wait, do you have apt set to auto-clean?
[04:19] <sep1318> maco: yeah, full path.
[04:20] <sep1318> i might, which is would explain. dunno.
[04:20] <maco> in your synaptic settings
[04:20] <sep1318> syockit: still/back in kubuntu
[04:21] <syockit> sep1318: it probably has been cleaned somehow
[04:21] <syockit> sep1318: now needs redownloading
[04:21] <sep1318> yeah, that's what i'm guessing.
[04:21] <sep1318> but where from?
[04:21] <maco> you can use apt-get with a version= thing i think...
[04:21] <syockit> syockit: you wanted to reinstall what again
[04:21] <tommy> whats the easiest way to install google earth on kubuntu 8
[04:22] <maco> or if you go to launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg/ debs should be findable
[04:22] <sep1318> syockit: X
[04:22] <mr-t---> 8.04 or 8.10
[04:22] <sep1318> maco: that'd depend on how well launchpad plays with lynx
[04:22] <sep1318> :P
[04:23] <maco> oh. right.
[04:23] <sep1318> but doesn't mean its not an option, necessarily.
[04:23] <tommy> its ubuntu 8.04
[04:23] <BluesKaj> sep1318  http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[04:23] <syockit> sep1318: no just check that apt log
[04:24] <syockit> sep1318: and use apt-get install <package name>=<version>
[04:24] <sep1318> yeah, i think that might be my best option.
[04:24] <syockit> sep1318: sudo less /var/log/apt/term.log
[04:24] <mr-t---> !googleearth
[04:24] <syockit> Yayy freeee!
[04:24] <sep1318> heheh i agree.
[04:25] <sep1318> bbiab, gonna see what works.
[04:25] <tommy> i downloaded googleearthlinux.bin its on the desktop but I do not know how to install it
[04:25] <Natanaiel> I have only gnome, for install kde 4.2 I should to run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:26] <maco> tommy: i think theres a package available in multiverse
[04:26] <maco> or in medibuntu
[04:26] <mr-t---> medibuntu
[04:26] <tommy> it that a website?
[04:27] <mr-t---> click the link i gave you   ...it's a repository
[04:27] <mr-t---> saves you compiling a binary to get the package
[04:28] <maco> medibuntu.org
[04:28] <tommy> I am seeing it as !googleearth
[04:28] <maco> its also where you get stuff to decrypt dvds
[04:28] <tommy> ok
[04:28] <syockit> Natanaiel: for kde 4.2, you must enable kubuntu-experimental repo as well
[04:28] <syockit> Natanaiel: of course, kubuntu-desktop is a prerequisite
[04:28] <syockit> Natanaiel: but I don't guarantee the safety using 4.2
[04:29] <Natanaiel> syockit: why?
[04:29] <mr-t---> !googleearth
[04:29] <syockit> Natanaiel: Of late, I keep hearing how 4.2 keeps breaking their intrepid kubuntu
[04:29] <mr-t---> you don't see the link there?
[04:29] <syockit> Natanaiel: from people in this channel
[04:29] <syockit> Natanaiel: I use jaunty though. no problem with 4.2
[04:29] <maco> its really nice on jaunty...but then jaunty itself likes to break, so...
[04:30] <sep1318> Natanaiel: its good, but b0rked right now.
[04:30] <sep1318> at least for me
[04:30] <sep1318> true, but that's cuz its still alpha
[04:30] <syockit> :) WFM ＼(^o^)／
[04:30] <sep1318> <.< >.>
[04:31] <sep1318> maco: i tried apt-get'ing -core with a couple version numbers, but it couldn't find them for some reason.
[04:31] <mr-t---> tommy: ?
[04:31] <tommy> I am looking here and there lots to read there
[04:31] <maco> sep1318: must be already removed from the archive then. launchpad librarian it is.
[04:32] <mr-t---> cool
[04:32] <mr-t---> reading is good
[04:32] <sep1318> huh.
[04:32] <sep1318> i'll see what i can find there.
[04:33] <syockit> couldn't be that soon
[04:33] <syockit> it's not jaunty, is it?
[04:34] <sep1318> maco: lynx doesn't play with https. :(
[04:35] <maco> k hold on
[04:35] <syockit> ouchie
[04:36] <mr-t---> w?
[04:36] <syockit> sep1318: if you want to, you can swim through the directories of your repo
[04:36] <sep1318> syockit: how so?
[04:37] <maco> syockit: its not in there anymore
[04:37] <maco> old versions get deleted
[04:37] <maco> sep1318: which do you need? xserver-xorg-video-??
[04:37] <syockit> ayy
[04:37] <maco> intel, nvidia, fglrx?
[04:37] <sep1318> maco: i think core?
[04:37] <sep1318> o, video is nvidia
[04:37] <sep1318> srry
[04:39] <syockit> maco: hmm, you're right. I can only find the latest deb for each distro in the pool
[04:39] <maco> ok
[04:40] <maco> sep1318: 32 or 64 bit?
[04:40] <sep1318> 32, maco
[04:41] <maco> try http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22047817/xserver-xorg-core_1.5.99.902-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[04:42] <sep1318> apt-get'ing it?
[04:42] <maco> wget
[04:42] <maco> then dpkg -i --force-downgrade xserver-xorg-core_1.5.99.902-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[04:43] <sep1318> ah. oki.
[04:44] <arrrghhh> so i installed ubuntu on this dell gx260.  another 260 took ubuntu fine, but this one is just being weird.  i get a brown bg and a mouse icon with nothing else.  the mouse works, but the keyboard doesn't seem to respond to any input.  ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-del, nothing.
[04:44] <maco> arrrghhh: boot to single user mode and compare their lspci outputs from there?
[04:45] <arrrghhh> i can boot recovery mode
[04:45] <arrrghhh> lspci doesn't seem to produce any errors... dmesg neither.
[04:45] <arrrghhh> i've done memtest
[04:45] <arrrghhh> and fsck
[04:45] <syockit> 13:44 < arrrghhh> so i installed ubuntu on this dell gx260.  another 260 took ubuntu fine, but this one is just being weird.  i get a brown bg and a mouse icon with nothing else.  the mouse works, but the keyboard doesn't seem to respond to any input.  ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-del, nothing.
[04:45] <arrrghhh> nothing *seems* wrong.
[04:45] <syockit> 13:44 < maco> arrrghhh: boot to single user mode and compare their lspci outputs from there?
[04:45] <syockit> 13:45 < arrrghhh> i can boot recovery mode
[04:45] <syockit> sheet happens again
[04:45] <maco> arrrghhh: lspci doesnt do errors
[04:45] <maco> it tells you what hardware you have
[04:45] <arrrghhh> sorry dmesg then
[04:45] <maco> see if the hardware's not-quite-identical
[04:46] <arrrghhh> well everything's intel.
[04:46] <maco> if you can, send both of their "sudo lshw" outputs to a flash drive, then run "diff" on them
[04:46] <arrrghhh> intel vid card, sound, ethernet controller
[04:47] <sep1318> maco: dpkg won't allow it, say it conflicts with a bunch of already installed input packages
[04:47] <maco> which? might need to downgrade those too then :-/
[04:47] <maco> (i'm giving you the feb 6 version, by the way)
[04:48] <sep1318> mrrrr. uhhuh. kbd, mouse, vmmouse, synaptics, evdev..
[04:48] <maco> oh gosh
[04:48] <sep1318> i think there might've been another, but you get the idea
[04:48] <sep1318> yeah
[04:48] <maco> i have an idea
[04:49] <maco> there was a new batch of X packages an hour ago
[04:49] <maco> wanna try to do an upgrade instead?
[04:49] <sep1318> o?
[04:49] <sep1318> sure
[04:50] <arrrghhh> well i guess what i would like is ideas as to why it's freezing on boot.  or what i could do to trouble shoot it.... i'm at a loss.
[04:50] <maco> arrrghhh: not talking about 9.04 are ya?
[04:50] <arrrghhh> 8.10
[04:50] <arrrghhh> maybe i should try 8.04...
[04:50] <sep1318> i mean, i've got next week off from school, so i'm contemplating reinstalling the whole OS just to avoid using my windows for longer than necessary.
[04:50] <tyrone_p> I have added the repos to my source lists to install kde4.2 but when i do apt-get upgrade i get 78 packages not installed why is this?
[04:51] <tyrone_p> i am in kubuntu 8.10
[04:53] <syockit> there was a new batch of X packages an hour ago
[04:53] <sep1318> syockit: right, that's what maco said.
[04:54] <maco> syockit: were you quoting me? because that's the exact phrasing...
[04:54] <syockit> no something's wrong with my client
[04:54] <sep1318> oy.
[04:54] <syockit> it's reacting to my mouse selects
[04:54] <maco> ooooh
[04:55] <arrrghhh> so what could i try?  i've never had it freeze like this before.  usually a reboot fixes it or at least produces something different.
[04:56] <syockit> arrrghhh: at what point does it freeze?
[04:56] <maco> arrrghhh: try getting rid of quiet so you can see when the boot dies
[04:56] <arrrghhh> well i don't really get a boot screen.  i get grub, says it's booting from hd(0,4) etc
[04:56] <arrrghhh> then a black screen, no loading screen
[04:56] <arrrghhh> then i get the brown background like ubuntu is loading, a mouse cursor.... then nothing.
[04:57] <sep1318> maco: i just tried updating, and there wasn't anything new.
[04:57] <arrrghhh> i usually ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a terminal to troubleshoot.
[04:57] <maco> sep1318: did you apt-get update first?
[04:57] <arrrghhh> but that's not working.  the mouse does work... doesn't make sense.
[04:57] <maco> arrrghhh: did the terminal flash then head back to the brown?
[04:57] <maco> arrrghhh: if so, do it twice
[04:57] <arrrghhh> maco, no flash at all.
[04:57] <arrrghhh> ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing
[04:57] <arrrghhh> ctrl-alt-del does nothing.
[04:57] <sep1318> yeah, that's what i just did, update then upgrade.
[04:58] <sep1318> what repo are they in?
[04:58] <maco> sep1318: wait we are talking about jaunty right?
[04:58] <maco> just to double check
[04:58] <sep1318> no, i'm still on intrepid
[04:58] <syockit> arrrghhh: I suppose at that point you no longer have control of the keyboard
[04:58] <sep1318> :\
[04:58] <maco> doh im an idiot
[04:59] <sep1318> no, just confused :)
[04:59] <maco> the package i gave you was a jaunty one
[04:59] <arrrghhh> syockit, i guess.  i figured i could always get kicked to a terminal with the ctrl-alt-f keys.
[04:59] <maco> i mixed up #kubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[04:59] <sep1318> oh.
[04:59] <syockit> arrrghhh: you have to start on recovery instead
[04:59] <maco> arrrghhh: not if VT switching is broken...as it often is for me
[05:00] <syockit> arrrghhh: and figure out what's wrong with x
[05:00] <arrrghhh> i can start in recovery
[05:00] <arrrghhh> and get a root terminal that way.
[05:00] <syockit> arrrghhh: during recovery, read what's on /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:00] <syockit> arrrghhh: and look for anomalies
[05:01] <syockit> arrrghhh: but you're not used to seeing that...
[05:01] <syockit> arrrghhh: I'm suspecting another compiz error
[05:01] <k-stamp> hello, i am having issues configuring
[05:02] <k-stamp> i get an error: checking for jpeg_start_compress in -ljpeg... no
[05:02] <k-stamp> configure: error: zm requires libjpeg.a
[05:03] <sep1318> maco: syockit just gave me an idea, do you know how to not have X request the GLX extension? i think that might solve it
[05:03] <syockit> sep1318: ummm, you have to create a xorg.conf for that
[05:04] <syockit> sep1318: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:04] <syockit> sep1318: wait, i wonder if I can tell it to DISABLE instead...
[05:04] <sep1318> syockit: yeah, i've done that multiple times, and it still requests it.
[05:04] <sep1318> that's a good thought.
[05:05] <arrrghhh> syockit, compiz?  it shouldn't use compiz on this old slug.
[05:05] <syockit> sep1318: you've put disable "glx" in "module"?
[05:05] <arrrghhh> this computer is like 5 years old.
[05:05] <maco> syockit: hasnt worked since gutsy...
[05:05] <sep1318> syockit: no, i've dpkg-reconfigure'd
[05:05] <maco> sep1318: sudo dexconf -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf <-- thatll recreate a default semi-empty xorg.conf
[05:06] <sep1318> oki..
[05:06] <syockit> dexconf eh, I'll man that
[05:06] <maco> syockit: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg since gutsy has simply made a backup of the existing xorg.conf and exited
[05:07] <maco> i had to ask in #ubuntu-x a few days ago so i could test uxa since my system didnt have an xorg.conf at all
[05:07] <syockit> maco: actually I made mine with Xorg -configure
[05:08] <maco> syockit: is that the one that outputs a HUGE config file?
[05:08] <maco> i remember a gentoo user demonstrating something like that
[05:08] <maco> dexconf is a debian extension though, i think
[05:08] <syockit> maco: yes, verrryyy biggg.
[05:08] <syockit> maco: with so many display entries
[05:08] <sep1318> maco: it still says it can't do it.
[05:08] <maco> sep1318: cant do what?
[05:09] <sep1318> maco: "failed to initialize GLX extension"
[05:09] <syockit> sep1318: what it says?
[05:24] <DrMrHorse> i guess i should ask again since we were split
[05:24] <DrMrHorse> i want to copy a bunch of jpegs from a tree of directories into one dir. how do i do that?
[05:28] <syockit> DrMrHorse: does the directory structure have to stay?
[05:29] <wrinkliez> hey guys, I've installed kubuntu after seeing 4.2, and I really like it.
[05:29] <DrMrHorse> no. i want to take files in a structure and copy them to one directory
[05:29] <syockit> DrMrHorse: if not, command: find <path> -name '*.jpg' | xargs -xiii cp iii <new dir>
[05:29] <wrinkliez> but can someone tell me how to get my graphics working right?  in ubuntu when i did grep render, it told me the graphics card. now it says unable to open display
[05:30] <DrMrHorse> cool thanks. what is the iii part?
[05:31] <syockit> it's how xargs work. -i tells it that the argument from stdin is represented by the letters followed after -i
[05:31] <DrMrHorse> ah, thanks again
[05:32] <syockit> DrMrHorse: try this. ls *.jpg | xargs -ixxx echo "Helloxxx and xxx"
[05:34] <mefisto__> thanks syockit. I've just learnt something very useful
[05:34] <DrMrHorse> no such file or directory on the second
[05:35] <syockit> DrMrHorse: try it somewhere where a jpg file is inside
[05:36] <elizeuoffshore> Hi Everibody!
[05:36] <elizeuoffshore> Iḿ from Manaus Amazon Brazil
[05:36] <elizeuoffshore> This is my first time using Kubuntu 64 bits
[05:37] <elizeuoffshore> Who help me about instal drivers in my noteook
[05:37] <elizeuoffshore> i need wireless and webcam drivers
[05:37] <DrMrHorse> the first command also does not work
[05:37] <elizeuoffshore> Iḿ using Acer
[05:38] <DrMrHorse> its appending an "i" to the end of the file name and saying it cant find the file
[05:38] <elizeuoffshore> Aspire 5315-2698
[05:39] <elizeuoffshore> Can you help me Mr. Horse
[05:40] <DrMrHorse> im struggling with the cp command; you probably dont want me messing with your drivers
[05:40] <syockit> DrMrHorse: is the new directory available? if not, mkdir first
[05:40] <DrMrHorse> yes, i did mkdir
[05:40] <elizeuoffshore> HUmmmmmmmmmmmm
[05:40] <mefisto__> syockit: man page says "-i is deprecated. use -I instead" could that impact what DrMrHorse is trying to do?
[05:40] <elizeuoffshore> Iḿ sorry
[05:41] <elizeuoffshore> this is my first time using Linux
[05:41] <elizeuoffshore> Iḿ a new user
[05:41] <DrMrHorse> mefisto__: the man for xargs?
[05:41] <syockit> no, deprecated means still usable, but will be gone someday
[05:41] <mefisto__> DrMrHorse: yes xargs
[05:41] <syockit> yeah, I should've used -I instead
[05:41] <DrMrHorse> ty
[05:41] <DrMrHorse> look at this:
[05:42] <syockit> DrMrHorse: what does find <the path you want> -name '*.jpg' give?
[05:42] <DrMrHorse> cp: cannot stat `/home/drmrhorse/Pictures/VillageLadies/4Village_Ladies_-_Jo/Jo5127.jpgi': No such file or directory
[05:42] <DrMrHorse> thats from the first command
[05:42] <elizeuoffshore> hum
[05:43] <DrMrHorse> note the jpgi
[05:43] <elizeuoffshore> k
[05:43] <syockit> DrMrHorse: your command probably has an extra i in the second iii
[05:44] <elizeuoffshore> Iḿ using Kubuntu 64bits
[05:44] <elizeuoffshore> ok
[05:44] <DrMrHorse> so i should drop one
[05:44] <syockit> DrMrHorse: wait probably wrong command
[05:44] <elizeuoffshore> kubuntu 7.10 version 64bits
[05:44] <DrMrHorse> k
[05:44] <elizeuoffshore> ok
[05:45] <syockit> DrMrHorse:  find <path> -name '*.jpg' | xargs -Ixxx cp xxx <new dir>
[05:45] <syockit> I was wondering where the xxx went
[05:46] <syockit> that should do?
[05:46] <elizeuoffshore> you know a site to download this drivers by apt
[05:47] <DrMrHorse> it appears to be dumping it to a file, hold on
[05:47] <elizeuoffshore> I can't find this drivers in Brazilian Ubuntu home page
[05:47] <elizeuoffshore> ok
[05:47] <elizeuoffshore> I will check
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> its 2:00 over here
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> I need wwork early
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> Bye
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> thanks
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> God blessyou
[05:48] <ubuntu_> hello
[05:48] <syockit> elizeuoffshore: drivers don't usually easily come with apt, as they are built into kernel
[05:48] <DrMrHorse> isnt there a portuguese channel for kubuntu?
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> yes
[05:48] <elizeuoffshore> isnt
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> Bye
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> please keep my e-mail
[05:49] <DrMrHorse> i dont know if that would be easier
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> elizeuoffshore@msn.com
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> bye
[05:49] <syockit> there's #ubuntu-pt
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> bye
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> yes
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> ubuntu pt
[05:49] <elizeuoffshore> night
[05:50] <ubuntu_> whenever i login it seems that x restarts, any ideas?
[05:51] <DrMrHorse> syockit: success!!
[05:52] <syockit> DrMrHorse: yay! sorry for the mistake earlier
[05:52] <DrMrHorse> ty and np
[05:52] <DrMrHorse> xargs converts the output of something and puts it into a form that another command can read
[05:52] <ubuntu_> maybe its an xorg thing?
[05:53] <JohnFlux> ubuntu: it means that it crashed.  I've had that happen if I've run out of disk space
[05:54] <ubuntu_> i reloaded everything but my home drive
[05:54] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: are you using restricted drivers? is X really restarting, or is login failing and sending you back to the login screen?
[05:56] <ubuntu_> i believe i am using nvidia, tried changing ownership of home/user. tried add new user, dont know how to check the rest
[05:58] <ubuntu_> how can i use a dif driver
[05:58] <wrinkliez> does anyone know why only the start up sound plays?  if i look at flash videos or listen via amarok, no sound?
[05:59] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: you could specify a driver in xorg.conf
[06:01] <wrinkliez> nevermind
[06:01] <wrinkliez> im silly :)
[06:02] <ubuntu_> i pasted my xorg http://paste.ubuntu.com/116701/
[06:02] <ubuntu_> was it muted
[06:03] <ubuntu_> does that look right
[06:04] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: that's normally what xorg.conf looks like these days, but you can still edit it to fine tune things.
[06:05] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: what I had in mind though was to try login with vesa driver or open source nvidia driver to see if it really is a problem with X or something else
[06:05] <ubuntu_> how abouts do i do that
[06:06] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116702/    (not absolutely sure about "nv" but I think that's the open source nvidia driver)
[06:07] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: so if you edit your xorg.conf so that section looks like one of those 2 examples...
[06:07] <maco> wrinkliez: try killing and restarting pulseaudio?
[06:08] <wrinkliez> maco:  i figured it out, thanks though :D
[06:08] <dolt_> does any body know about accessing desktops from terminal
[06:08] <maco> huh?
[06:10] <ubuntu_> mefisto__: im gonna try the vesa be back as ubuntu or nate
[06:10] <mefisto__> dolt_: you need to explain what you mean by "accessing" and "desktops"
[06:10] <dolt_> the other day there was someone talking in another konversation and said could access anyones desktop with linux
[06:11] <dolt_> using terminal
[06:12] <dolt_> I was just wondering how
[06:14] <dolt_> another question
[06:14] <mefisto__> dolt_: why? do you want step-by-step instructions? :)
[06:14] <dolt_> sure
[06:15] <dolt_> another question is how do i install google earth on kubuntu easy
[06:16] <dolt_> i downloaded googleearthlinux.bin to desktop there it sits
[06:16] <mr-t---> !googleearth
[06:16] <mr-t---> use the package
[06:17] <dolt_> i went to medibuntu and did some gget or something like it said and then did not know what to do I will try again
[06:18] <mefisto__> dolt_: what you have now is probably easier (since you already have it) but installing from medibuntu repo will keep it up to date, and gives you easy access to lots of other things you may want too
[06:20] <dolt_> i will try it let you know
[06:21] <mefisto__> dolt_: if you've added the medibuntu repo correctly, to install you can sudo apt-get install googleearth (or install from adept)
[06:26] <beachsurfin> i think kubuntu updates by itself in the background...
[06:26] <beachsurfin> i just don't know about it until i see specific bugs that are fixed and other surprises...
[06:27] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: you can set it to automatically update/upgrade, but I think the default is to just notify you of updates
[06:27] <beachsurfin> how to check for this...
[06:27] <beachsurfin> mefisto__: how do you tell if you have it updating in the background?
[06:28] <beachsurfin> i think i may have specified to do this at some point
[06:28] <beachsurfin> which i don't mind, it's very convenient, but i'd like to look @ the settings now
[06:29] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: kde 4?
[06:34] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: kde 4?
[06:36] <zer0o> hi guys im about to buy an external hard drive, is there any known issue? shall i buy a particular one instead of another? thanks
[06:36] <beachsurfin> mefisto__: sorry, yes
[06:36] <beachsurfin> kde4
[06:36] <beachsurfin> zer0o: i think anyone should work
[06:37] <zer0o> beachsurfin: ok thx
[06:37] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: start adept manager, click sources, then "edit software sources" button, then the updates tab
[06:37] <dolt_> my usb one works great in windows or linux
[06:37] <beachsurfin> zer0o: np, gl
[06:37] <dolt_> its called simpletech
[06:37] <beachsurfin> mefisto__: argh, i knew this! :P
[06:38] <beachsurfin> thanks mefisto__
[06:39] <dolt_> buy one from ebay for 50.00 or less
[06:40] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: to get to the "software sources" section without opening adept: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[06:40] <beachsurfin> now that i didn't know
[06:41] <someguy> Hey guys and gals, should I stick with 32bit or is it finally time to upgrade to 64?
[06:42] <beachsurfin> someguy: depends on what your needs are
[06:42] <beachsurfin> for professional multimedia editing, definitely
[06:42] <someguy> just for everyday use, basicly firefox, openoffice, and kate
[06:43] <DreadKnight> i use 64 for years
[06:43] <beachsurfin> otherwise, there's not much of a point unless you just want to
[06:43] <beachsurfin> someguy: then there's not much of a point
[06:43] <mefisto__> someguy: if you want to use more than 4GB of ram, that's a reason
[06:43] <beachsurfin> not many reasons* then :)
[06:43] <someguy> ah, then there really is no point, this is on a laptop. Thank guys. I guess i'll try again in a few years ;)
[06:44] <mefisto__> no real reason not to use 64 bit though, I think
[06:45] <beachsurfin> this is true
[06:45] <someguy> hmmmm
[06:46] <someguy> are there any compatibility issues with programs using 64bit?
[06:48] <beachsurfin> someguy: indeed
[06:48] <beachsurfin> look here: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17322/
[06:48] <beachsurfin> "Some software doesn't have 64bit packages, or it's rather hard to get those. For example just to install skype on a 64bit ubuntu system, the user must go through a guide on how to add medibuntu to the list of repositories, or download a version of skype that doesn't require installing. Other software has only been packaged for 32bit systems."
[06:48] <mefisto__> someguy: I think there are ways to use 32 bit programs on 64 bit, but I could be wrong. never tried 64bit myself
[06:49] <beachsurfin> i've yet to try it, saving up for such a machine right now though :)
[06:49]  * beachsurfin needs it
[06:49] <mefisto__> needs 64 bit?
[06:49] <beachsurfin> yup
[06:50] <mefisto__> what are you doing?
[06:50] <someguy> yeah i think I'll just stick to 32 for now, until 64 is more mainstream :)
[06:50] <beachsurfin> this machine is my server and i'm starting to get serious about using blender
[06:50] <beachsurfin> a few friends and i are making some shorts this year
[06:50] <mefisto__> as in 3d graphics/animation?
[06:50] <beachsurfin> yup
[06:50] <mefisto__> ok, cool
[06:51] <someguy> anyways i'm out, thanks for the advise
[06:51] <mefisto__> I should have tried it by now, but I'm too lazy and everything is working fine atm. I do audio/recording stuff
[06:52] <beachsurfin> np, gl someguy
[06:52] <someguy> :)
[06:52] <beachsurfin> mefisto__: do you audacity for this?
[06:53] <beachsurfin> blender's audio sequencer is a lot more powerful than i originally thought it was
[06:53] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: yes, for simple editing. but most recording happens in ardour
[06:53] <beachsurfin> i use it for video sequencing as well now
[06:53] <beachsurfin> ah
[06:57] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: I installed ubuntustudio, and I'm still working my way through the software that installs
[06:59] <beachsurfin> mefisto__: i might download the ubuntu-desktop package, but it could be awhile before i go through the packages.. i've promised a friend that i would refactor some of his messy php code
[06:59] <beachsurfin> that will be consuming a lot of my time soon
[07:02] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: ubuntustudio-desktop will probably mess up something in kde 4 and make it ugly or install a ubuntu splash or something. I just installed ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-video
[07:10] <beachsurfin> mefisto__: good idea, thanks
[07:12] <mefisto__> beachsurfin: you might want ubuntustudio-graphics too. see all the ubuntustudio metapackages with apt-cache search ubuntustudio
[08:07] <RurouniJones> !jp
[08:18] <wrinkliez> hmm, whats the difference between powersave, extreme powersave, and advanced powersave?
[08:25] <maco> wrinkliez: spelling? its how you configure it that matters
[08:25] <wrinkliez> oh right on
[08:25] <wrinkliez> sorry this whole kde thing is blowing my mind
[08:26] <wrinkliez> so many options. o_o gnome has nulled my senses
[08:26] <maco> wrinkliez: ive been using kde for 2 weeks :P
[08:26] <maco> wrinkliez: i asked the same question
[08:26] <mefisto__> wrinkliez: I think they are just pre-set power settings profiles, and the advanced settings let you choose your own settings
[08:27] <wrinkliez> coool
[08:41] <puneeth> !kde
[08:42] <puneeth> !desktop
[08:43] <puneeth> can someone tell me how to upgrade to KDE 4.2 without the adept
[08:44] <puneeth> i cant do a continuous download
[08:45] <puneeth> !gnome
[08:45] <puneeth> !terminal
[08:45] <puneeth> !google
[08:52] <jiikilo> I have ubuntu 8.10 and I am having a problem left and right alt keys seem to be activating exactly every 30 seconds (alternating each time) Its not the keyboard I unpluged it and it still occurs. Anyone have any ideas on how to figure out the problem?
[09:32] <mefisto__> jiikilo: what's happening exactly. if I hold down left and right alt keys, nothing noticeable happens
[09:34] <jiikilo> mefisto__ : Basically I figured out the problem was occuring when using virtualbox and running XP the menu bars would seem to always activate so I ran xev and its reporting left/right alt (alternativly so first left then right then left again) every 30 seconds
[09:34] <jiikilo> even when the keyboard is not attached it still occurs
[09:40] <mefisto__> jiikilo: always? or only with virtualbox running?
[09:40] <jiikilo> mefisto__ : always
[09:41] <mefisto__> odd
[09:41] <jiikilo> its happening pretty much exactly every 30seconds as well
[09:48] <Novalgina2Fast> hi guys,when i power on the pc the brightness of the screen is really down,so i have to go to the symbol of battery every time and take it up...why?ç_ç
[09:51] <mefisto__> Novalgina2Fast: sounds like it's trying to conserve battery power. are you plugged in to AC or on battery when this happens?
[09:52] <Novalgina2Fast> mefisto_ in to AC,and the setting of brightness is in the top,but i have to move it to works
[09:57] <mefisto__> Novalgina2Fast: look in power management settings, edit profiles. there's an option to dim the display
[09:59] <Novalgina2Fast> mefisto__: sorry i don't understand,i have to look in power ecc... where is the symbol of battery?because there isn't edit profile there
[10:02] <Novalgina2Fast> mefisto__:ok i have find it^^thanks!
[10:22] <jiikilo> well that was weird I updated to latest kernel in the reps 2.6.27-11 and now its just left shift that is activating >_<
[10:22] <maco> jiikilo: any chance someone got a Phantom Keystroker from ThinkGeek and plugged it in?
[10:23] <jiikilo> if I have a split personality maybe?
[10:44] <drew_>  how do i forward the port on a wrt54g for ktorrent
[10:45] <drew_> thats the same answer i got yesterday
[10:46] <maco> drew_: original firmware or dd-wrt?
[10:46] <volunteer> k
[10:46] <drew_> i reakky dont know
[10:46] <maco> drew_: might help if you asked at a time that's not omg-early in the US too
[10:47] <drew_> very true
[10:47] <maco> im going to guess tht means original...in which case...havent used it in years so i dont know
[10:48] <drew_> ok ill look it up thx
[10:48] <maco> drew_: you know how to login to the router and all that, right?
[10:48] <maco> should just be able to click around wherever your NAT settings are in there
[10:49] <mefisto__> drew_: I think ktorrent has a plugin that will do the port forwarding for you
[10:50] <mefisto__> drew_: the UPnP plugin
[10:50]  * maco shudders at the thought of having UPnP enabled on a router
[10:50] <drew_> ok tyt
[10:51] <maco> at least if there are any win-boxes or macs on the LAN
[10:51] <drew_> really is it not good
[10:51] <maco> its possible for windows viruses to screw up your router so that it's insecure regardless of what OS you're browsing with
[10:52] <drew_> can it be bad
[10:52] <maco> if UPnP is enabled or if you leave the default password on
[10:52] <maco> well if you dont let your windows or mac get viruses, you're fine
[10:52] <drew_> i think ill turn that off
[10:53] <maco> but i know there's a trojan that claims to be codecs for a video file. when installed on mac or windows, itll try to login to your router with the default password or UPnP then set the DNS to cracked boxes so you can be redirected to phishing sites
[10:55] <drew_> i just got rid of vista couldnt update Trend micro, AAAVG, Defender or windows i think it was virus
[10:55] <maco> or it was vista
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[10:56] <Walzmyn> I got rid of Vista because NOTHING would run on it
[10:56] <Walzmyn> Will there be a direct upgrade path from 8.04 to 9.04 or will I have to go though 9.10?
[10:57] <maco> er well 9.10 wont exist yet...
[10:57] <maco> but you will have to go through 8.10
[10:57] <maco> skipping releases is only supported when going from LTS -> LTS
[10:57] <maco> and those are every 2 yers
[10:58] <mefisto__> 2 years? I thought it was 3
[10:58] <Walzmyn> ok. Thanks
[10:58] <Walzmyn> I was trying to decide on going ahead and upgrading to 8.10
[10:58] <Walzmyn> or just waiting until april
[10:58] <mefisto__> or is it 3 years support on LTS releases?
[10:58] <maco> mefisto__: supported for 3yr desktop, 5yr server, but new LTS every 2yr so you have 1yr overlap for testing and deployment
[11:00] <Walzmyn> I guess I might as well go ahead and make the transsition and be ready for the 9,04 release
[11:01] <Walzmyn> I'm running several KDE4 apps now - is there any special procedure for keeping my configs on those, or just need to copy the folders over from .kde4?
[11:02] <maco> from .kde4?
[11:02] <maco> jaunty is running kde4
[11:03] <Walzmyn> i'm on 8.04 - i'm running KDE3.5 with several kde4 apps
[11:13] <Walzmyn> Is 4.2 in the main repo for Intrepid, or just the PPA?
[11:15] <maco> Walzmyn: ppa
[11:16] <Walzmyn> maco, thanks - any idea when it's coming out?
[11:16] <maco> er, it is out
[11:16] <maco> kde 4.2 was released 2 weeks ago
[11:16] <Walzmyn> out of ppa and into the main repo
[11:16] <maco> in jaunty
[11:16] <Walzmyn> ok
[11:27] <irrdev1> I'd like to see image editing program with Kubuntu Jaunty
[11:28] <irrdev1> maybe on DVD if there is not enough room on LiveCD?
[11:29] <maco> irrdev1: krita's not on there?
[11:29] <irrdev1> no
[11:29] <irrdev1> space is the problem i think
[11:30] <irrdev1> hence why I think Kubuntu should focus on dvd
[11:35] <mefisto__> I can't seem to install krita on 4.2 intrepid
[11:38] <mefisto__> or any koffice app for that matter
[11:41] <ct529> I need to add a certain directory to everybody's path .... where should I change it?
[11:51] <quassel73> hi, can you helpmewith this: http://pastebin.ca/1333977 ?
[11:51] <piponazo> Hi people, I have a problem with kde 4.2. I just install it and when I go to "System Settings" I can't change any stuff that requires root privileges. Any could help me ? (Sorry for my bad english)
[11:51] <ct529> how do you add a local directory full of deb packages to the list of repositories?
[11:52] <ct529> quassel73: is in check!!!!
[11:58] <voicu> hey guys, anyone else having problems with the wired RTL8101E network card?
[12:00] <voicu> the builtin driver r8169 is slow and has weird behaviour and the one from realtek's site is worse
[12:00] <voicu> anyway, how can i remove a module that i insterted with insmod?
[12:00] <voicu> rmmod is only temporary (that is until reboot)
[12:01] <voicu> modprobe -r seems to do the same
[12:01] <spectral> blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[12:02] <voicu> ok, trying that
[12:02] <francisc1701> hi
[12:02] <francisc1701> konqueror just crashed. I had a few tabs open -- is there any way to get them back?
[12:03] <voicu> did you try to open konqueror back? doesn't it have that thing that saves the session?
[12:04] <francisc1701> it opened like it usually does -- one tab with google in it
[12:04] <voicu> hm, i got nothing :P
[12:06] <spectral> i only use firefox, and then there is a setting to open it with the tabs open that you had open when you exited (also helps restoring after a crash). maybe there's a similar feature for konqueror.. never use it myself
[12:07] <francisc1701> I can't find anything like that in konqueror
[12:07] <voicu> if i have a local network with a NAT router (ip 192.168.1.1) what should the routing table look like on a client?
[12:07] <voicu> 0.0.0.0 routes on 192.168.1.1 with genmask 0.0.0.0 and metric 100, is that all right?
[12:08] <voicu> does the metric matter anyway?
[12:11] <voicu> also, is there any way to remove a builtin module without recompiling the kernel?
[12:11] <voicu> i tried blacklisting, rmmod, modprobe -r
[12:12] <voicu> or where could i ask this?
[12:12] <voicu> i looked everywhere but they all say blacklist
[12:12] <voicu> which really doesn't work
[12:25] <Machtin> hi guys.. my harddisk broke down yesterday, and i reinstalled 8.10.. and now - if i play sound - i have annoying whitenoise..
[12:25] <Machtin> i still can clearly hear the original sound, but there is a lot more whitenoise than there should be
[12:26] <mefisto__> there should be no white noise
[12:26] <Machtin> indeed
[12:26] <Machtin> i already eliminated some of it, by unchecking the "capture"-checkbox of the "capture"-control in kmix
[12:26] <mefisto__> is it there when silence is playing? (if you know what I mean)
[12:27] <Machtin> oh, gimme a moment
[12:27] <Machtin> well i think yes
[12:28] <Machtin> it's only there when i play something
[12:28] <piponazo> Hi people, I have a problem with kde 4.2. I just install it in my Ubuntu distribution and when I go to "System Settings" I can't change any stuff that requires root privileges (like the login manager). Anyone could help me ? (Sorry for my bad english)
[12:28] <mefisto__> Machtin: any other inputs you can mute?
[12:28] <Machtin> mefisto__: i don't think so
[12:28] <Machtin> mic is muted.. lines are muted
[12:29] <Machtin> aux is muted..
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:30] <Machtin> mefisto__: i just noticed.. if i mute "PCM" there still is whitenoise, but very little original sound
[12:31] <francisc1701> Machtin: try putting master and pcm as low as you can, especially master
[12:31] <mefisto__> Machtin: muting PCM, you should get no sound. It seems you've got some other source creating the noise. CD maybe?
[12:32] <Machtin> francisc1701: can't find "Master" within all my channels
[12:32] <Machtin> mefisto__: just muted CD.
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> I have a Q (shock) How can I prevent kwin from telling me what desktop an app is running on if i mouse over its icon in the application list (minimsed apps etc)
[12:34] <francisc1701> Machtin: I dunno, I have Master, it's the first on the left, under Output. It's the one that you can adjust when you single click on the speaker in the system tray
[12:34] <Machtin> that's PCM for me, francisc1701.. but i never had "master"
[12:35] <francisc1701> Machtin: sorry
[12:35] <Machtin> think that's soundcard-specific
[12:35] <francisc1701> Machtin: must be
[12:36] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: don't know, but you could try naming the desktops with whitespace so it would say "Konqueror on "
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: yeah it says that sort of stuff but im trying to suppress. do you run compiz?
[12:37] <Andrew``> hey all
[12:37] <Andrew``> can anyone tell me what program I need to stream a .ram file?
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: realplayer
[12:37] <Machtin> mefisto__ francisc1701 found it :D
[12:38] <Machtin> SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack <-
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> good ol creative :(
[12:38] <Machtin> yup.. *sigh*
[12:38] <Machtin> but i have that live! 5.1 for years now
[12:39] <francisc1701> Machtin: excellent :)
[12:39] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: no. but I think you misunderstood my suggestion. instead of leaving the desktop names Destop 1, Desktop 2, etc, just rename them all by removing the name. but it will stiil say "on  "
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: yeah i gotcha. Just wondered if it was kde or compiz so i know where to hunt, yours does it with no compiz so it must be kde
[12:41] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: the kwin desktop effects I suppose
[12:41] <Machtin> well well, thanks guys!
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: makes sense, i'll hack it out later
[12:41] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: you can disable the popup altogether. I remember seeing that option somewhere. But that's not what you want, is it?
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: yeah just nuke it, i have the windows previews which goes over the top so the dekstop notifier thing is kinda pointless
[12:43] <wilfried> I recently came on an application under Gnome which included a big list of settings under Gnome, but i forgot the program. I think it is a basic Gnome program.
[12:43] <wilfried> Does anyone know the program?
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> wilfried: did you install it with terminal or synaptic?
[12:44] <wilfried> ActionParsnip: not at all, it was already installed basic, but maybe it came with the instalation of ubuntu studio
[12:44] <wilfried> then it would be synaptci
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> wilfried: all i can suggest is that you read the output of: dpkg -l | less
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> wilfried: "basic gnome program" doesnt give us a lot to go by
[12:46] <wilfried> ActionParsnip: i used it to disable legacy fullscreen and a workaround for compiz
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> wilfried: if its a gnome app, i'd ask in #ubuntu
[12:47] <wilfried> thx
[12:47] <wilfried> that would be better
[12:48] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: rightclick panel, task manager settings. then turn off "show tooltips"
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: awesome, let me try :)
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: you are a genius...cheers duder
[12:52] <xp-killer> what download manager i can use to download streaming videos?like from youtube
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: all systems go now
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> !info youtube-dl
[12:53] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: i dont understand
[12:53] <Dr_willis> xp-killer:  he gavbe you the name of the package/program :) via the bot commands
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: that package will allow you to download the flv file form a youtube url
[12:53] <Dr_willis> Or use some of the many firefox extensions out.
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: if you want to view them in your browser rather than download them, you will need flash
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: if you use youtube-dl you can script it to autoconvert to whatever you want once its downloaded :D
[12:54] <mefisto__> xp-killer: Description: youtube-dl is a small command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> I like the web sites that let you download/convert them  to avi and so forth.. but i rarely find any flash videos worth watching.
[12:55] <Andrew``> well ActionParsnip  I downloaded realplayer... whenI went to install it, it tells me wrong architecture... I am using 64 bit.. any ideas?
[12:55] <Dr_willis> I miss stage6.com :()
[12:55] <xp-killer> but can it download from other websites?
[12:55] <Dr_willis> Why do you need reaplayer Andrew`` ?  You may be out of luck
[12:55] <Andrew``> Dr_willis,  I need real to play a stream file (.ram)
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: you need to run: sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: then you can install 32bit deb files on your 64bit OS
[12:56] <Dr_willis> Ive managed to play my .rmvb files in mplayer + thew32codecs
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: RealPlayer is proprietary so its down to Real to make a 64bit player which they havent
[12:56] <Dr_willis> it pay be possible to play .ram files in mplayer also.. (never tried)
[12:56] <Dr_willis> or in vlc
[12:57] <xp-killer> Dr_willis: i neede to also download realplayer to read my rmvb files
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> worth a try
[12:57] <xp-killer> Dr_willis: and vlc didnt do the work
[12:57] <mefisto__> Dr_willis: I can get kaffeine, mplayer, vlc all playing .ram files
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> if you have the codec, any player can play anything
[12:57] <Dr_willis> I did NOT need to use realplayer to play rmvb files. :)
[12:58] <Dr_willis> vlc dident work however...  :) neither did totem, or  the other players i tried..
[12:58] <mefisto__> xp-killer: this firefox extension works well: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006
[12:58] <Dr_willis> I dont have any .ram files to test
[12:58] <Andrew``> ok I installed ia32 libs but it still wont allow me to load real :(
[12:58] <Dr_willis> actually id never had any .rmvb files till just the other day
[12:59] <Dr_willis> i was suprised they played in mplayer for me.
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: sudo dpkg --force-all -i <deb file name here buddy>
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: thats coss mplayer is the daddy
[12:59] <Dr_willis> the 'realplayer' guys really have follen  from  popularity it seems. :) they were the big guys.. and now whats the main playe on web sites.. FLASH.. UGH
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis: cant win eh :(
[13:00] <Dr_willis> I miss stage6.com :(
[13:00] <spectral> well even though i hate flash i still prefer it over real
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> they should just stream avi and be done
[13:01] <mefisto__> the mplayer plugin is awesome I must say
[13:01] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: avi to big
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Im geting sick of the 'lets see how many ways we can slip commercials into the videos'  they are doing now.
[13:01] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip: loading ....
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: not if you make the quality garbage like the stuf on youtube
[13:01] <xp-killer> lol
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Ive seen a few web sites that worked in linux, then break the video playback in flash when they incoperate some 'commercial break' stuff :(
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> or use mp4
[13:03] <xp-killer> mefisto__: the link u give me for firefox its a .xpi how am i sopose to install it?
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: open it with firefox
[13:04] <mefisto__> xp-killer: are you using firefox?
[13:04] <Dr_willis>  .xpi = firefox extension
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> xp-killer: firefox /path/to/file.xpi
[13:05] <xp-killer> mefisto__: no i was on konqueror when i download it
[13:06] <mefisto__> xp-killer: if you go there with firefox, you just click the "add to firefox" button
[13:06] <Andrew``> ActionParsnip,  it says it needs lsb... any ideas as to where I can get it from?
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: can you give the full error in  a pastebin please
[13:07] <Dr_willis> yea -much easier to just go to the url wth firefox :)
[13:08] <mefisto__> xp-killer: or you could drag the xpi file you downloaded into the firefox window. that works too
[13:08] <Andrew``> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/116801/
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> Andrew``: apt-cache search lsb | less
[13:10] <Dr_willis> !info lsb
[13:11] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install lsb
[13:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:11] <Dr_willis> a HUGE 44kB! :)
[13:11] <mefisto__> strange it didn't just install it, since it's a dependency
[13:12] <Dr_willis> Im not sure what hes doing.. double clicking on a .xpi file?
[13:13] <mefisto__> the xpi thing was someone else I think. lsb is for realplayer
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> its a 32bit app so i dunno if thats gonna work
[13:14] <xp-killer> ActionParsnip:  mefisto__ tanks.where do firefox save the videos?
[13:15] <mefisto__> xp-killer: you can set that in the extension's preferences
[13:16]  * Dr_willis scoffs at realplayer
[13:17] <xp-killer> mefisto__: ok,how do i find the history konversation?i want to write down how u told me to install realplayer
[13:18] <mefisto__> xp-killer: they're in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[13:19] <mefisto__> xp-killer: but you can see the #kubuntu log from the Window menu
[13:22] <xp-killer> mefisto__: where is the kubuntu log folder?like the website looking one
[13:24] <mefisto__> website looking?
[13:24] <rmrfslash> Hey all. I upgraded my 8.10 to Intrepid and now I'm wondering why there have been no updates. So I rand apt-get update and I'm noticing at the end it says GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.ner intrepid release ... NO_PUBKEY
[13:24] <rmrfslash> sorr to KDE 4.2
[13:25] <rmrfslash> not "to Intrepid"
[13:25] <xp-killer> mefisto__: the kubuntu one not the one that is on my pc
[13:25] <rmrfslash> :-\
[13:25] <rmrfslash> I had to run the key-add command to get KDE 4.2
[13:25] <rmrfslash> and I ran it again to see if perhaps something happened
[13:25] <rmrfslash> but nope... I still see this error
[13:26] <JuJuBee> adept crashed on me.  How to I repair it so it finishes what it started.
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> !fixapt | JuJuBee
[13:26] <mefisto__> xp-killer: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/02/  should be somewhere in there
[13:26] <Andrew``> yay!! it works! :)
[13:27] <rmrfslash> ActionParsnip: running apt-get update gives me the GPG error
[13:27] <Andrew``> thanks guys
[13:27] <rmrfslash> upgrade does nothing
[13:27] <rmrfslash> well, I shouldn't say "nothing" if says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed...
[13:27] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: dpkg: unable to fill /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i with padding: No space left on device
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: run: sudo apt-get clean
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: then retry
[13:28] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: that mean I have to re-select my packages or re-run your prev. command?
[13:29] <rmrfslash> Part of the update error is "GPG error ...: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY..."
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: rerun the aptfix command
[13:29] <JuJuBee> My /var is 2G partition.  Is that big enough?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-315528.html
[13:30] <rmrfslash> JuJuBee my /var is 615M
[13:30] <rmrfslash> (no partition, just the actual size)
[13:34] <rmrfslash> ActionParsnip: any other ideas?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> rmrfslash: you need to get the gpg key for the server you are accessing
[13:35] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: does apt use /var/cache when doing an update of 269 packages via Adept-updater?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: yep, its all a bit umbrella for apt and uses the same folder
[13:36] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: have you run    gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 493B3065 && gpg --export -a 493B3065 | sudo apt-key add -
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> gorgonizer: nice :)
[13:36] <JuJuBee> ActionParsnip: so will updating that many packages fill up a 2G partition?
[13:36] <xp-killer> mefisto__: k i found it tanks
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> JuJuBee: depends how much fluff you download
[13:36] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: read up
[13:37] <gorgonizer> ActionParsnip: I never had to run it myself, but I did eventually so I didn't have to type an additional y during an upgrade ;)
[13:37] <JuJuBee> I just re-installed my OS (8.04.1) and it is trying to do the updates.
[13:37] <sdafasdfa> i installed vista SP1 and than install kubuntu, after kubuntu restart, my PC wont boot or load
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> gorgonizer: can be risky, packages may be UNINSTALLED to make the install pass
[13:37] <sdafasdfa> i tried kubuntu live disc, it oso wont boot
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> gorgonizer: i use it though but i dont care about my system too much in that sense
[13:38] <gorgonizer> ActionParsnip: I always check if packages are going to be uninstalled before performing an upgrade...
[13:38] <rmrfslash> gogrginizer: basically, I did this to install KDE 4.2
[13:38] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: and I've run it since then, but I still recieve this error when running apt-get update
[13:38] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: it worked at one point, I was able to get KDE 4.2.... but Ive received no updates, probably because of this
[13:39] <JuJuBee> Holly batpies... why is my xorg.0.log 196M ??
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> gorgonizer: i have a cron'd jobthat runs at 5am and pulls down anything i have that can be updated
[13:39] <sdafasdfa> how do wpie my hard disk to  install kubuntu as non of the boot disc would boot
[13:39] <rmrfslash> wait
[13:39] <rmrfslash> .....
[13:40] <rmrfslash> fixed
[13:40] <rmrfslash> that was not the key I was missing
[13:40] <rmrfslash> for kde 4.2
[13:40] <xp-killer> how to delete azureus log file cause i reinstall it and it came back with the same default option i change
[13:40] <JuJuBee> My Xorg.0.log file is getting errors regarding the fglrx DRI Unlocking inconsistency.
[13:40] <rmrfslash> I noticed NO_PUBKEY: and string of chars/nuimbers
[13:40] <rmrfslash> I put that into the gpg command and imported an RSA key
[13:41] <rmrfslash> now it does not result in an error
[13:41] <rmrfslash> :)
[13:41] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: have you added the Project-Neon repository as well?
[13:41] <rmrfslash> i don't think so.
[13:42] <aPpLeSiA> hello
[13:42] <rmrfslash> I added only what was on the kubuntu site for kde 4.2
[13:42] <gorgonizer> hmmm..
[13:42] <aPpLeSiA> can anyone help me
[13:42] <rmrfslash> oh, and perhaps some stuff for Amarok
[13:42] <aPpLeSiA> my laptop wont boot
[13:42] <rmrfslash> so I take it back... I think I did
[13:43] <aPpLeSiA> my vista disc and kubuntu live disc wint boot, how do i mak it boot???
[13:43] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: I have as well, had to do the same thing, convert the gpg command to use the key string from the error message to fix it..
[13:43] <aPpLeSiA> BIOS is set to boot CD ROM 1st
[13:43] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: that was prolly it then
[13:43] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: sounds likely, glad you fixed it..
[13:43] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: now I have all the latest bugs <-- happy
[13:44] <JuJuBee> Can someone help me try to fix/find what is causing my kdm.log and Xorg.0.log file to grow exponentially?  More specifically, what is causing http://paste.ubuntu.com/116829/ in both those files.
[13:44] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: I am glad to have the latest Amarok 2, as the database doesn't seem to go wrong as often as with the 2.0.1.1 release..
[13:44] <voicu> hey, without bugs everyone would use linux and we would have nothing to rant and bitch about :P
[13:44] <mefisto__> aPpLeSiA: is your cd drive working?
[13:44] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: I don't use it... I'm waiting for the day when wine works w/ iTunes
[13:45] <aPpLeSiA> mefisto   yes
[13:45] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: ....again
[13:45] <aPpLeSiA> mefisto.. it is working
[13:45] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: right now it installs right up until the last step, then fails.
[13:45] <aPpLeSiA> this happen right after kubuntu restart my PC
[13:45] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: I never liked iTunes, only needed it for my iPod, which works in Amarok/gtkpod :)
[13:46] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: what error does it give?
[13:46] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: right, but I use an Airport Express at home which has AirTunes which I've grown to LOVE
[13:46] <gorgonizer> ahhh... well that explains that then :)
[13:46] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: not sure, I just see the installer and then iTunes says "Failed to install"
[13:47] <aPpLeSiA> i believe is the mbr causin the problem
[13:47] <rmrfslash> If amarok took advantage of airtunes I would totallly switch
[13:47] <gorgonizer> hmmm.. give me a min, will have a go myself :)
[13:47] <aPpLeSiA> but my lenovo 1 key recovery also failed to work
[13:47] <rmrfslash> i do like the itunes store though
[13:47] <aPpLeSiA> it wont run
[13:47] <rmrfslash> though amazon mp3 is pretty extensive
[13:48] <aPpLeSiA> can anyone help me?
[13:48] <mefisto__> aPpLeSiA: if you've set it to boot from CD first, it should do that. It won't look at the hard disk's mbr when booting from CD
[13:50] <aPpLeSiA> mefisto__ : yes, but it wont boot after kubuntu restart my PC, i will tell u how i install kubuntu with vista
[13:51] <ubuntu_> hi everyone
[13:51] <voicu> hi ubuntu_ :D
[13:52] <JuJuBee> how do I stop Xorg and KDM from logging?
[13:52] <ubuntu_> i m new to linux . i will install kubuntu 8.04 . how can i update it
[13:52] <aPpLeSiA> mefisto__ : 1st i install vista using clean installation, ( C drive, D drive and e Drive was created ) using vista, i left 15 GB freed space) after tat i update to SP1 and install all my application
[13:53] <Pici> !upgrade | ubuntu_
[13:53] <ubuntu_> thanks
[13:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:54] <aPpLeSiA> mefisto__: than i put in kubuntu live disc and install it into the freed space of 15 GB, after installation finish, it restarted my PC and it hang at black screen after loading BIOS
[13:55] <voicu> if a network device returns "destination host unreachable" when trying to ping something that should be accessible, does that rule out a driver problem?
[13:55] <aPpLeSiA> i cant do anything, i tried puttin Kubuntu live disc and vista disc, it wont boot
[13:55] <JuJuBee> voicu : do you have any routes in your routing table?
[13:55] <JuJuBee> route -n
[13:55] <rmrfslash_> God I hate ppp
[13:55] <aPpLeSiA> mefisto__: when i press the power button, it cut the power
[13:56] <aPpLeSiA> it just jam after loadin BIOS
[13:56] <voicu> jujubee: i'm trying to ping the gateway which works on other computers
[13:56] <rmrfslash_> I mean, we've been to the moon and yet I'm riding on a crappy train with a ppp connection
[13:56] <voicu> jujubee: anyway, i have 0.0.0.0 routed on 192.168.1.1 with genmask 0.0.0.0 and metric 100
[13:56] <rmrfslash_> something is wrong here
[13:57] <JuJuBee> is 192.168.1.1 your gateway?
[13:57] <voicu> jujubee: yeah, the computer i'm talking from now is routed through that computer
[13:57] <BluesKaj> aPpLeSiA,  you prolly need to move your cdrom up into first in the BIOS boot sequence ...since you installed kubuntu , it looks like the bootloader has disappeared due to the vista mbr
[13:58] <voicu> jujubee: and i'm sure the cables and card on the other computer are ok
[13:58] <JuJuBee> voicu : what is the output of route -n on the "non working" computer?
[13:59] <aPpLeSiA> BluesKaj, how do i solve it?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> aPpLeSiA the vista mbr wipes the Linux grub bootloader at boot
[13:59] <voicu> jujubee:
[13:59] <voicu> 192.168.1.0  0.0.0.0   255.255.255.0   U   0    0   0 eth0
[13:59] <voicu> 169.254.0.0  0.0.0.0   255.255.0.0    U    1000  0  0  eth0
[13:59] <voicu> 0.0.0.0    192.168.1.1   0.0.0.0  UG 100  0  0   eth0
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !vista
[14:00] <rmrfslash_> JuJuBee, what is the output of "whoami" and "passwd" after you type your password and username twice
[14:00] <aPpLeSiA> but non of my vista disc and kubuntu disc would boot up
[14:00] <rmrfslash_> :D
[14:00] <JuJuBee> :P
[14:00] <JuJuBee> hang on, i'll go check...
[14:01] <BluesKaj> aPpLeSiA, that's because your BIOS is set to look at the Hard drive first and when it doesn't see the Vista mbr then it stops ..do you know how to edit your BIOS
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> k I'm bored here... you guys are just asking appropriate questions for the kubuntu channel.
[14:02] <rmrfslash_> cya :)
[14:03] <aPpLeSiA> BluesKaj: i have et to 1st boot from CD ROM, 2nd SATA HARD DISK, 3rd REMOVEABLE DISK
[14:03] <aPpLeSiA> it still wont boot
[14:03] <JuJuBee> voicu, can you ping the ip of your nic?
[14:03] <vbgunz> can someone help me "reset" all of my global shortcuts? they seemed to be botched on KDE4 :/
[14:04] <voicu> JuJuBee: yeah
[14:04] <JuJuBee> voicu but not the gateway?  strange.  100% sure the cable is fine?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> aPpLeSiA , are you at the TTY prompt right now ?
[14:05] <JuJuBee> voicu : using DHCP or static IP?
[14:05] <aPpLeSiA> TTY??
[14:05] <BluesKaj> !TTY
[14:06] <voicu> jujubee: static ip: router is 192.168.1.1 everything else is manually set to whatever
[14:06] <voicu> jujubee: the light on the switch is on for the broken computer
[14:06] <JuJuBee> voicu :  what kind of router?
[14:06] <voicu> jujubee: also, it worked ok until i messed with the drivers but now i can't be sure what's ok and what not
[14:06] <voicu> jujubee: a debian computer
[14:07] <aPpLeSiA> noop
[14:07] <aPpLeSiA> tty wont start
[14:07] <JuJuBee> Ah.  Have you tried dhcp?  Are you running dhcp on router?
[14:07] <aPpLeSiA> BluesKaj: still at black screen
[14:07] <voicu> jujubee: no, it was too complicated :P
[14:08] <JuJuBee> voicu : well, since you can ping your card's IP, the drivers must be working.
[14:09] <aPpLeSiA> i dun wan to bring to lenove service center to reapir
[14:09] <voicu> jujubee: is there a way to find out how far does it go until it breaks? i mean on the network layers or something
[14:09] <JuJuBee> Are you connected to a switch with a management interface?
[14:10] <voicu> JuJuBee: I don't think so...
[14:10] <JuJuBee> Did you try tracepath 192.168.1.1
[14:11] <voicu> 1: voicu-laptop.local (192.168.1.5) 0.2 ms pmtu 1500
[14:11] <voicu> 1: voicu-laptop.local (192.168.1.5) 2000ms   !H
[14:11] <voicu> resume: pmtu 1500
[14:12] <voicu> what does !H mean?
[14:12] <max__> hi can anyone tell me how i can mount my encrypted drive
[14:13] <voicu> max__: what kind of encrypted drive?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !encrypt
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !find encryp
[14:15] <ct529> how do you modify the PATH variable to add a path (for example /opt/cuda/bin), for all users?
[14:16] <JuJuBee> Not certain
[14:16] <max__> i got the option when installing, to encrypt one partition
[14:16] <max__> now i dont know how to find it
[14:18] <aPpLeSiA> ?
[14:19] <voicu> ct529: isn't /etc/bash.bashrc the file that gets executed at logon for all users?
[14:19] <ct529> voicu: what if you do not use bash?
[14:20] <voicu> ct529: lemme think :D
[14:20] <ct529> voicu: I thought it was /etc/environment, but it is not
[14:20] <ct529> voicu: /etc/profile is only read by people using bash
[14:21] <voicu> ct529: did you relog to check if it works?
[14:21] <Aidono> looking for help : i'm newbie running kubuntu; how do i select multiple items in filemanager (windows : shift select) ?
[14:21] <Aidono> hi by the way
[14:21] <Aidono> in kde , if you want to select 10 items that are listed together, can you do that with two key-click combinations ?
[14:21] <aPpLeSiA> is there any vista IRC here?
[14:21] <voicu> aidono: you can disable single click execution i think
[14:22] <ct529> voicu: no, it is /etc/environment!
[14:22] <voicu> ct529: hehe, so it works?
[14:22] <voicu> ct529: what did you do?
[14:22] <voicu> aidono: what kde do you have?
[14:23] <ct529> voicu: I added /opt/cuda/bin to /etc/environment definition of PATH
[14:23] <Aidono> ct529 : thx, but i'm starting to like single klick
[14:23] <ct529> voicu: strangely, if you su -, then PATH is not defined from /etc/environment
[14:23] <Aidono> i have 8.10
[14:23] <Aidono> kde 4.1
[14:23] <ct529> voicu: which is kind of weird
[14:23] <voicu> aidono: then you can use the small pluses/minuses to the left of the files which select/deselect them
[14:23] <Aidono> voicu, sorry, i meant y
[14:24] <Aidono> yeah, i noticed those, but then you still need to do the files one by one ?
[14:24] <voicu> aidono: well not really, once you select one you can shift+click to select the next N files and so on
[14:25] <voicu> aidono: you just need to use the pluses to avoid executing the file
[14:25] <voicu> aidono: hm, i just tried it and ctrl+click also works
[14:25] <Aidono> so do one with the plusses and then shift click ? the tenth plus ?
[14:25] <Aidono> for ten files
[14:25] <voicu> aidono: no, the tenth file down
[14:26] <voicu> aidono: but ctrl+click and shift+click work like on windowz
[14:26] <voicu> aidono: wasn't sure about it till now
[14:26] <Aidono> yes, i just tried, and it does
[14:27] <Aidono> but the first is on the plus that you click and the tenth you shift click on the filename (not the plus)
[14:27] <Aidono> that's where i went wrong
[14:28] <voicu> ct529: i suppose it's kind of a security measure such that you won't execute stuff from other dirs when using root
[14:28] <ct529> voicu: clever
[14:29] <Aidono> it's working but still having some trouble changing the selection once you made one and want to do another in the same directory; the first file seems sticky
[14:30] <Aidono> :) you don't have this trouble in konsole
[14:30] <Aidono> thx guys
[14:30] <voicu> hehe, np
[14:31] <Azzco> Would anyone happen to know if it's possible to enable mouse gestures in konqueror (about kde says kde 4.2.0)
[14:31] <Azzco> And of course I forgot the question mark as allways..
[14:32] <askin_> hi
[14:32] <askin_> alarm
[14:32] <iargue> hello
[14:32] <alarm> ja?
[14:33] <iargue> would somenone be so kind and help me build a network between two pcs?
[14:33] <voicu> Azzco: are they not enabled in kde 4.1? I found the settings but didn't try it
[14:33] <Azzco> voicu, I found the setting but I never got it to work (there's no "apply" as there was in kde 3.5.x).
[14:33] <voicu> azzco: lemme see
[14:34] <BluesKaj> !network | iargue
[14:34] <Azzco> I looked a bit on the kde forums (the official one) and it looked like it would be fixed in 4.2
[14:34] <voicu> Azzco: then I guess it will be fixed in 4.2 :P
[14:34] <iargue> i use wire...UTP/STP
[14:35] <JuJuBee> iargue, with a switch or not?
[14:35] <Guddisi> pff
[14:35] <voicu> iargue: what exactly do you need help with?
[14:35] <Azzco> voicu, and that's why I mentioned what my about KDE said. ;)
[14:35] <voicu> Azzco: oh, lol, i read that wrong
[14:35] <voicu> anyway, i'm still on 4.1 so i can't really know, sorry
[14:36] <Azzco> I'll just hit google again. :)
[14:36] <ct529> oh! How do you create an icon on the desktop that points to an application that has been installed manually? that is an "empty" icon, that you can then fill with the command to launch the application.
[14:36] <Brondan> messenger user ?
[14:36] <Cerberus_1746> hi all
[14:37] <voicu> ct529: just make a link to application and edit the command text in the application tab?
[14:37] <voicu> ct529: and check "run in a console" from advanced options if required
[14:38] <iargue> the main problem is setting the ip addresses. though i gave 192.168.0.5 for the sever and 192.168.0.3 for tha recepient. I use vodafone 3G mobile net which i'd like to share...for my laptop by utb(cross cable)
[14:38] <iargue> utp, that is
[14:38] <ct529> voicu: do you mean creating a link to another application, and then modify the link?
[14:38] <ct529> voicu: this is the only solution I have found as well ....
[14:38] <Brondan> ct529
[14:39] <Brondan> http://google.com
[14:39] <ct529> voicu: I thought there was a way of doing it, without using tricks
[14:39] <Azzco> voicu, in case anyone else asks the bug report says it'll be implemented in 4.3 and no backport is planned..
[14:39] <JuJuBee> iargue, so you want one computer to act as a router/gateway to do internet sharing?
[14:39] <voicu> ct529: when I select create a link to an application i get the config window
[14:40] <iargue> yes, maybe something like that.
[14:40] <voicu> azzco: huh, bummer :P
[14:41] <iargue> i must have a router or a gateway to make my connection?
[14:41] <voicu> iargue: yes, one computer gets the connection from whatever device and routes it to other computers
[14:41] <ct529> voicu: you see I cannot do that .... I cannot do create a link to an application
[14:42] <voicu> ct529: why? what window manager are you using?
[14:42] <ct529> voicu: I do not know whether there is something wrong with my installtion
[14:42] <ct529> voicu: kde 4.1.3 on kwin
[14:43] <JuJuBee> iargue : /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward must be set to 1 and /etc/sysctl.conf must uncomment line about forwarding for ipv4.
[14:43] <Brondan> ct529
[14:44] <Brondan> pm: julia
[14:44] <zedoctor> usershare owner only = False *YESSSSSSSSS* *scream"ureaka"
[14:45] <Brondan> Free 8.10 KDE 4 CD ??
[14:45] <Brondan> Free 8.10 KDE 4 CD ??
[14:45] <Brondan> Free 8.10 KDE 4 CD ??
[14:45] <Brondan> hoşgeldin gardaş..
[14:45] <zedoctor> yes, free 8.10 kde 4... ?
[14:45] <voicu> JuJuBee: is that enough to enable routing?
[14:45] <Brondan> yes
[14:46] <zedoctor> yes.. :-)
[14:46] <Brondan> yes
[14:46] <mefisto__> ct529: try this: add a folder view widget, then create a link to application in there, then drag that icon onto the desktop
[14:46] <JuJuBee> iargue : should be
[14:46] <Brondan> jujube: sie
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Brondan, http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[14:47] <JuJuBee> of course your routing tables must be correct also on each computer.
[14:47] <iargue> well, what i have is...a pc (which would be the sever) it runs linux, and a laptop with windows xp. I want to share to net between these two. why can i not share my mobile-net throught this method? simply be crosscable?
[14:47] <Brondan> Ty ~
[14:47] <Brondan> :S:S
[14:47] <Brondan> :s:S
[14:47] <Brondan>  Free 8.10 (KDE 4) CDs https://shipit.kubuntu.org |
[14:48] <iargue> well, what i have is...a pc (which would be the sever) it runs linux, and a laptop with windows xp. I want to share that net between these two. why can i not share my mobile-net throught this method? simply be crosscable?
[14:48] <JuJuBee> iargue : on winxp default gateway is ip of other end of crossover cable.
[14:48] <JuJuBee> ?
[14:48] <ct529> mefisto__: thanks, that sounds a very nice idea
[14:48] <Brondan> Linux :( kubutu :'(
[14:48] <BluesKaj> what do you want Brondan ...if you want to order a free cd , go to that site
[14:48] <iargue> what do you mean abaout that?
[14:49] <iargue> -a
[14:49] <iargue> what do you mean about that?
[14:49] <mefisto__> ct529: it worked for me on 4.2, hopefully it works on 4.1 too
[14:49] <JuJuBee> your laptop is a host on a network.  Set the default gw on the winxp computer to be the IP of the interface it connects to on the linux box.
[14:50] <iargue> all the two of  the computer have lan card
[14:50] <squid0> hi. where is a good c++ tutorial?
[14:50] <JuJuBee> iargue: i figured that.
[14:50] <iargue> sorry,
[14:50] <iargue> so?
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:47] <Brondan> :s:S
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:47] <Brondan>  Free 8.10 (KDE 4) CDs https://shipit.kubuntu.org |
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <iargue> well, what i have is...a pc (which would be the sever) it runs linux, and a laptop with windows xp. I want to share that net between these two. why can i not share my mobile-net throught this method? simply be crosscable?
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <JuJuBee> iargue : on winxp default gateway is ip of other end of crossover cable.
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <JuJuBee> ?
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <ct529> mefisto__: thanks, that sounds a very nice idea
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <Brondan> Linux :( kubutu :'(
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <BluesKaj> what do you want Brondan ...if you want to order a free cd , go to that site
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:48] <iargue> what do you mean abaout that?
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:49] <iargue> -a
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:49] <iargue> what do you mean about that?
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:49] <mefisto__> ct529: it worked for me on 4.2, hopefully it works on 4.1 too
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[14:51] <Brondan> [16:49] <JuJuBee> your laptop is a host on a network.  Set the default gw on the winxp computer to be the IP of the interface it connects to on the linux box.
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[14:51] <Brondan> [16:50] <iargue> all the two of  the computer have lan card
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:50] <squid0> hi. where is a good c++ tutorial?
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:50] <JuJuBee> iargue: i figured that.
[14:51] <Brondan> [16:50] <iargue> sorry,
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[14:51] <Brondan> [16:50] <iargue> so?
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[14:51] <vlad> ???
[14:52] <voicu> whoa what the hell
[14:52] <iargue> yes, and?
[14:52] <JuJuBee> iargue : your laptop should forward any requests to the linux box.  (default route).  Your linux box then needs to know to how to deal with the requests from the laptop (in comes ip_forward).
[14:53] <iargue> yep, and how do i do that?
[14:53] <ct529> can any operator please kick?
[14:53] <iargue> i figured that to
[14:53] <JuJuBee> How do you do what?  Set up ip_forward?
[14:53] <iargue> okay, i went lunch
[14:54] <iargue> bye..
[14:54] <iargue> ham-ham
[14:54] <ct529> mefisto__: yes it worked .... thanks a lot! I thik we should really find something less convoluted though! i immagine there is pleanty of people who would like to put thinsg on the desktop but not in the kicker
[14:57] <vbgunz> does nvidia sli work on intrepid/jaunty?
[14:58] <mefisto__> ct529: in 4.2 you can also set the whole desktop to folder view mode, so it behaves just like the old kde 3, but you can still add widgets from the cashew button
[14:59] <neothecat> don't hate for this question... but i havebeen using codeblocks for a while, and i decided to look at kdeveloper kde4.  netbeans and eclipse are WAY to slow.  any opinions?
[14:59] <ct529> mefisto__: I have not tried, it is a production machine
[14:59] <ct529> mefisto__: not tried 4.2 I mean
[15:00] <ct529> by the way, I have a 40 seconds startup from kdm login to kde up and running (kde 413 on kubuntu 810). Is that normal or is there a bug?
[15:03] <mefisto__> ct529: 40 seconds doesn't sound normal. I've always found every kde4 I tried to be faster than kde3, but I know others find it slow. maybe I'm just lucky with my hardware?
[15:06] <ct529> mefisto__: I think there is a problem .... my hardware is very fast
[15:07] <vbgunz> does nspluginwrapper come installed on Kubuntu by default?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> ct529, the tests ai've read about linux bootup times averages about 38secs for most installations
[15:08] <BluesKaj> the Linux Journal had an article back in june or july '08
[15:08] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: but 40 seconds from *login* to desktop!!!
[15:09] <BluesKaj> hmm, must have a lot of apps
[15:09] <mefisto__> ct529: try turning off session restore and see if it makes any difference?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> mefisto__ , the xorg.conf in 8.10 is terrible, practically uneditable. I think it's responsible for a lot of slow starts due to it's reliance on generic drivers
[15:12] <BluesKaj> due to it's dependency on HAL
[15:13] <ct529> mefisto__: where do I find session restore?
[15:13] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: you mean the edits to xorg.conf don't make a difference?
[15:13] <ct529> BluesKaj: I have modified it and loaded very last nvidia drivers (180.29)
[15:14] <ct529> BluesKaj: no difference
[15:14] <mefisto__> ct529: in 4.2 it's in systemsettings, advanced tab, session manager
[15:14] <BluesKaj> mefisto__ , the edits I've tried to do like ctrl:nocapslock etc even freeze the screen
[15:15] <ct529> mefisto__: what happens without session restore?
[15:16] <mefisto__> ct529: after login, it will start with a new session instead of re-opening what you had opened when you last logged out
[15:17] <ct529> mefisto__: ok
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ct529 , what's your graphics card model # ?
[15:17] <ct529> mefisto__: I also have the comic strip widget .... may that be it?
[15:17] <iargue> ham-ham
[15:17] <ct529> BluesKaj: Quadro FX 1600 M
[15:17] <iargue> came back from lunch
[15:18] <ct529> BluesKaj: I have the very last driver installed, it can not be that
[15:19] <iargue> how do i share my net the most easiest way between two pc-s 1. linux 2. xp
[15:19] <iargue> ?
[15:19] <vbgunz> anyone know how I can get my keyboard shortcuts to work in 4.2 jaunty? it seems they're shot. print doesn't print *but* its listed in global shortcuts. whatsup?
[15:20] <genii> iargue: Which one is connected to the internet?
[15:21] <iargue> the pc with the linux
[15:21] <genii> !ics
[15:22] <genii> iargue: The link from the bot explains how to set up that part on the linux box. The client then in this case can be running whatever OS
[15:23] <an1L> hi...need help.
[15:23] <an1L> i've got geforce onboard graphics and without installing the driver enabled the advanced settings from the sys settings menu...
[15:23] <an1L> after that when i login i get a white screen...i can see the outlines of the plasma component but its unusable...
[15:24] <iargue> thank you all! vereee much :)
[15:24] <an1L> hello...
[15:25] <an1L> anybody there??
[15:25] <voicu> an1L: you could try a more generic driver to see if that works
[15:25] <voicu> like Vesa
[15:25] <ghostcube> an1L: u installed nvidia drivers ?
[15:26] <an1L> nope...
[15:26] <ghostcube> nope for what
[15:26] <ghostcube> :)
[15:26] <iargue> weeeee...
[15:26] <an1L> havent installed the driver...
[15:26] <iargue> this is helpfull
[15:26] <iargue> :)
[15:27] <ghostcube> an1L: ok then what grafic card is it
[15:27] <voicu> an1L: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:27] <an1L> geforce 7050 onboard
[15:27] <an1L> 8.10 kubuntu
[15:27] <vbgunz> anybody know how I can **reset** khotkeys?
[15:28] <ghostcube> an1L: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[15:28] <vbgunz> I have multiple shortcuts that are the same and I think they're messing with me :/
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ct529 , I have nvidia 7600GT , and the same driver you have is supposed to work for it , but I haven't tried "the latest driver" the glx-180  because the 177 works just fine for my card. Latest isn't always the greatest .:P
[15:29] <Basem> now i need program that can run voice and cam for yahoo and msn
[15:30] <ct529> BluesKaj: I tried to install the latest to see if there was a solution to the problem .... but no improvement
[15:30] <ct529> BluesKaj: I also need > 180.22 for cuda
[15:32] <BluesKaj> cuda?
[15:34] <mefisto__> hehe I just looked it up in wikipedia :P
[15:34] <an1L_> ghostcube: it says"couldnt find package"
[15:35] <ct529> BluesKaj: http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html#
[15:35] <ct529> BluesKaj: mefisto__: no improvment anyway
[15:35] <ghostcube> an1L can u pastebin pls your sources.list to pastie.org
[15:35] <an1L_> where do i find that file??
[15:36] <ghostcube> /etc/apt
[15:40] <BluesKaj> ct529, it may not be X or the graphics at all ..it could be other drivers
[15:40] <an1L_> im sorry im not able to access net thru my desktop...currently using laptop.i've opened it and see a list of repositories
[15:40] <an1L_> should i add anything
[15:42] <an1L_> ghostcube: ^^
[15:42] <ghostcube> an1L: hmm check if the intrepid-backports is opened
[15:44] <ct529> mefisto__: BluesKaj: which drivers for example? how do I debug the startup sequence, to understand which part of the startup sequence has the problem?
[15:45] <ct529> mefisto__: if the icons that appear between login and the desktop (the five flicking icons) mean anything, the last one is the one that gets stuck ....
[15:45] <an1L_> sorry power down...i'll try it later.
[15:47] <thor> hi
[15:47]  * ct529 rebooting X
[15:48] <thor> what piece of software can i use to record (video) what i'm doing ? need for a demo/
[15:49] <ct529> BluesKaj: mefisto__: it is the flipping comic strip widget!!!!
[15:50] <BluesKaj> bah ! widgets
[15:50] <ct529> BluesKaj: :(:(:(:(
[15:50] <BluesKaj> stupid cartoony stuff IMO
[15:50] <ct529> I cannot believe .... does any widget generate the same problem?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> I just put up with it cuz i must
[15:50] <cheata> someone could help me how to install my drivers for my intel graphic card ?
[15:50] <cheata> I just have logged in
[15:51] <cheata> and when doing "startx" to start KDE the screen gets blue or any other colors and nothing goes on
[15:51] <BluesKaj> cheata , lspci | grep VGA to find your card and model
[15:51] <cheata> I have already found the driver for my graphic card, it's "xf86-video-intel"
[15:53] <BluesKaj> cheata , then open adept and type it into the searchbar , then choose the driver that's listed under properties and install it
[15:54] <vbgunz> where can I get the plasma widget "spacer" ?
[15:56] <mefisto__> kde-look.org ?
[15:57] <cheata> BluesKaj grep VGA hangs
[15:57] <Riddell> ** testers needed, anyone using KDE 4.1 in intrepid with a printer
[15:57] <cheata> and lspci gives input/ouput error
[15:57] <BluesKaj> cheata , pls run the command in the terminal to make sure : lspci | grep VGA
[15:57] <cheata> but I know which card is inside
[15:58] <cheata> I can't find the | on the laptops keyboard
[15:58] <cheata> I tried everything :)
[15:58] <cheata> I think it's english keyboard, but I have german keyboard
[15:59] <thor> so, anyone can tell me what software to use for recording a video demo from my computer ?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> it doesn't matter if you know what the card is , the pc has to know the right name for it
[16:00] <mefisto__> thor: you mean record a video of the desktop?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> i don't see xf86-video-intel,listed in adept , cheata
[16:00] <thor> yes
[16:00] <cheata> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/index.html
[16:00] <cheata> thats the page of the driver.
[16:00] <mefisto__> cheata: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:02] <cheata> problem is I have no idea what to do :(
[16:02] <cheata> I try to find the "|" on the keyboard..
[16:02] <genii> BluesKaj: In *buntu the same intel driver is named xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:03] <genii> cheata: Apologies, didn't see your correction :)
[16:03] <thor> mefisto_: yes. to record a video of the desktop
[16:03] <mefisto__> thor: istanbul, krecordmydesktop, xvidcap
[16:03] <mefisto__> cheata: what is the \ key with shift?
[16:03] <thor> merfisto_: thanks
[16:04] <cheata> mefisto__ it's #
[16:04] <cheata> but without shift
[16:10] <genii> Riddell: Does it matter what kind of printer?
[16:14] <downhill_> garri: boo
[16:14] <daffi> hey someone able to help me with a egrep command?
[16:14] <cheata> so what should I do ?
[16:15] <daffi> echo hahahahuhu > dat1 then egrep 'ha{2,3}' that doesn't work but egrep '(ha){2,3}' wroks
[16:15] <daffi> why
[16:15] <downhill_> AlanasAnikonis: was it you who helped me with my X-Fi/ALSA driver problem?
[16:15] <Riddell> genii: any USB printer
[16:16] <hp> please help on adept crash bug
[16:17] <genii> Riddell: Ah. I have only a TCP printer atm :(
[16:17] <mefisto__> cheata: is this what your keyboard looks like: http://carbon.cudenver.edu/~tphillip/GermanKeyboardLayout.html
[16:17] <cheata> xf86-video-intel-2.6.1.tar.gz  is this the right one I should get for installing my intel graphic card ?
[16:17] <cheata> mefisto__ the keyboard yes
[16:17] <hp> is there anyone that could help me???
[16:17] <cheata> but I think it is configured as english keyboard in my usb stick version
[16:18] <AlanasAnikonis> downhill_: no? :)
[16:18] <downhill_> ok n/m
[16:19] <hp> pleassssssssssssssssssssse!!!
[16:19] <mefisto__> cheata: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel   should install it
[16:19] <downhill_> hp: explain it in a useful manner and perhaps someone can help ya
[16:20] <downhill_> we're not psychic, man
[16:20] <hp> ok man thnx
[16:20] <mefisto__> I knew he was going to say that
[16:20] <downhill_> who what?
[16:21] <mefisto__> I'll tell your fortune for 50 bucks :)
[16:22] <downhill_> mefisto__: do you have a money-back guarantee
[16:22] <downhill_> ?
[16:23] <downhill_> heh
[16:23] <downhill_> apparently hp's problem wasn't all that important
[16:24] <mefisto__> I can only tell influences and tendencies in your life. I can't guarantee what you will do with those influences :P
[16:24] <mefisto__> the free will defence
[16:25] <badpc> anyone know how to change the appearance of windows in kde 4.1
[16:26] <downhill_> badpc: look in System Settings > appareance
[16:26] <downhill_> er appearance* my spelling is awful today.
[16:26] <badpc> downhill_: yeah i did that i meant to say how to add more windows to that panel
[16:27] <downhill_> more windows?
[16:27] <badpc> downhill_: yeah you know the border around everything
[16:28] <downhill_> you're confusing the crud out of me, bud
[16:28] <downhill_> the window decorators?
[16:28] <cheata> mefisto__ for apt-get I need an internet connection ?
[16:28] <downhill_> cheata: yeah. or download the .deb and use dpkg -i on it locally
[16:29] <cheata> and where can I download the .deb ?
[16:29] <badpc> downhill_: yes thats it how do i add to the list
[16:29] <cheata> problem is, I just have a live linux on my usb stick, and no connection to internet..
[16:30] <cheata> so I need to download it on pc and put it on usb stick somehow
[16:30] <mefisto__> cheata: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:30] <downhill_> badpc: install kwin styles... but there aren't a boatload of them, not like Emerald
[16:31] <badpc> downhill_: thought emerald was no longer supported?
[16:31] <mefisto__> badpc: apt-cache search kwin-style
[16:32] <downhill_> yeah well since when have the Compiz devs realized what's good and what's bad?
[16:32] <downhill_> hurr hurr let's fork and merge from now 'til forver!
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: hey man you about?
[16:33] <cheata> ok I got the .deb
[16:34] <mefisto__> ActionParsnip: yep
[16:34] <downhill_> cheata: and it's dependencies?
[16:34] <cheata> just the .deb
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: I spreaded the word about the tooltip thing to #compiz so they can tell folks if they ask :)
[16:34] <downhill_> well you'll need it's deps if you don't have them already
[16:35] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: tooltip thing?
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: kde + compiz + window previews
[16:35] <cheata> downhill_ you mean like libc6, or libdrm-intel1 ??
[16:35] <downhill_> oh, ok, n/m
[16:35] <denis__> !de
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: if you have those 3 things, the preview goes over the tooltip used in kde so I turned it off
[16:36] <downhill_> sucks
[16:37] <cheata> downhill_ you mean like libc6, or libdrm-intel1 ??
[16:37] <downhill_> cheata: I mean whatever's listed on the packages page ;)
[16:37] <downhill_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[16:37] <cheata> ok I will get them
[16:38] <Pet^Aw> hi, there is a textual editor C/C++ for Xubuntu ??
[16:38] <downhill_> a lot of the deps of the 'intel' Xorg driver are installed by default, including the 'intel' X.org driver normally. why don't you have it? :O
[16:38] <Tm_T> Pet^Aw: leafpad, kate and more
[16:38] <downhill_> Pet^Aw: why are you asking in #kubuntu? #xubuntu
[16:38] <Pet^Aw> oh sorr
[16:38] <Pet^Aw> downhill_ , sorry
[16:39] <ct529> I have solved the problem ....
[16:39] <downhill_> it's straight
[16:39] <ActionParsnip> Pet^Aw: source code is text so any text editor will fly
[16:39] <Omegaist> !cz
[16:39] <ct529> I have to say that I do not like some of the widget having the big black square background .... I wonder if it possible to avoid it!
[16:40] <cheata> downhill_ I got them all
[16:40] <cheata> and now ?
[16:41] <cheata> where do I have to put it on my usb stick ?
[16:41] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: anywho, I thought it might pertain to the tooltip corruption I get now. if you enable tooltips with Dolphin, things get nasty quickly (at least with kwin w/o compositing)
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> i dont use dolphin
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> or any file browser
[16:41] <downhill_> cheata: yeah, then boot into your install and use dpkg to install them (man dpkg). if you're still missing deps... well, yeah, rinse and repeat heh
[16:41] <downhill_> ActionParsnip: hardcore.
[16:42] <uros_> hi all. i would like to add a new user in 8.10 but i cant find the users&groups category in the system settings
[16:42] <mefisto__> ct529: in 4.2 there is Desktop theme details, in systemsettings, where you can choose which theme widget backgrounds use (as well as other desktop elements)
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> downhill_: no i just like speed
[16:42] <downhill_> heh, no comment
[16:42] <cheata> downhill_ I downloaded the .debs on a pc which has internet connection, now I have to put them on my usb stick where my live linux is located
[16:42] <cheata> but where do I have to put them ?
[16:43] <brunes> Hey all. I am trying to get Google Gadgets working in Plasma in KDe 4.2 (Intrepid). I installed the kde-nightly-google-gadgets package, but all that seems to do is create a bunch of stuff under /opt/project-neon. If I run ggl-qt from there, Google Desktop gadgets *does* work - but it doesn't integrate into Plasma at all
[16:43] <downhill_> cheata: you're using a LiveCD? O_o
[16:43] <cheata> yes
[16:43] <BluesKaj> I've decided to use dolphin due to thefact that copying and pasting, finding file pr perties etc is easier with it than konq. Konq no longer copies and pastes from one folder to another without both being open
[16:43] <cheata> live linux on usb
[16:43] <ct529> mefisto__: I would rather do it for each widget .... :D
[16:43] <downhill_> well, hope you have enough RAM :p
[16:43] <mefisto__> ct529: so how much difference in startup after removing the comic strip widget?
[16:43] <cheata> 2gb or 4gb
[16:43] <ct529> mefisto_: kde people never stop complaining about the configuration possibilities .... :D
[16:43] <downhill_> cheata: anywhere will do. desktop is easy ;) or perhaps your homedir
[16:43] <gorgonizer> uros_: there should be a program called kuser in the System submenu in Applications..
[16:44] <ct529> mefisto__: from 40 sec to less than 4 sec ....
[16:44] <ct529> mefisto__: :)
[16:44] <commander_> i'm loving this 8.10 in Kubuntu.
[16:44] <mefisto__> ct529: that's more like it
[16:44] <quassel208> does someone know if the caon pixma mp 140 all-in-one printer works under kubuntu
[16:44] <uros_> gorgoniser: tnx !!
[16:44] <gorgonizer> BluesKaj: you should be able to get Move To/Copy To options in the sub-menu in konqueror..
[16:45] <mefisto__> quassel208: look in ubuntu forums. I think people have had trouble with pixma
[16:45] <ct529> mefisto__: I have not measured it exactly now .... but now it looks normal, even very fast :)
[16:45] <downhill_> quassel208: http://tinyurl.com/b96wk6
[16:46] <badpc> downhill_: ok i downloaded the windows now were do i find them?
[16:46] <cheata> downhill_ I have no desktop or any other directory, I put it in rootcopy..
[16:47] <mefisto__> downhill_: that was very nice
[16:47] <downhill_> badpc: under appearance, bud. look around, it's not complicated.
[16:47] <downhill_> cheata: no idea what that means. you have a desktop directory if you're running a liveCD
[16:47] <badpc> downhill_: im looking in appearance but the new ones are not there
[16:48] <cheata> I want to put the files on the same usb stick as my linux is located..
[16:48] <ct529> downhill_: how di you make the screencast?
[16:48] <downhill_> badpc: what did you install exactly?
[16:48] <ct529> downhill_: s/di/did
[16:48] <uros_> one more thing - switched back to kde from gnome and see that adept6 has changed (no toolbar / huge icons sources/search...) on the side) is there any way to get the old look back?
[16:48] <downhill_> ct529: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/
[16:48] <downhill_> why is everyone talking to just me >.<
[16:48]  * downhill_ points at mefisto__
[16:49] <ct529> because everything has been downhill_ since you ever arrived
[16:49] <ct529> :D:D:D:D
[16:49] <mefisto__> downhill_: you have real answers
[16:49] <downhill_> at least you didn't make an uphill joke
[16:49] <badpc> downhill_: kwin-styles
[16:49] <ct529> downhill_: :)
[16:49] <downhill_> badpc: then um, yeah, they should be in "Windows"... try logging out and in? :S
[16:50] <denis__> Hello, my opera 9.63 doens't display flash content even after reinstalling the actual flash.deb
[16:50] <downhill_> badpc: are you on 8.10 or newer? (Kubuntu release number)
[16:50] <ct529> denis__: ubuntu version?
[16:50]  * phobos_idle is away: Gone away for now
[16:50] <ct529> denis__: (architecture as well)
[16:50] <ActionParsnip> denis__: symlink the .so file in /usr/lib/opera/plugins
[16:51] <denis__> ct529: intrepid 8.10 on x86
[16:51] <denis__> ActionParsnip: I don't know how to do that
[16:51] <denis__> but I coud look it up...
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> denis__: find the libflashplayer.so file in your system, yuo can then run: cd /usr/lib/opera/plugins; sudo ln -s /path/to/libflashplayer.so
[16:53] <denis__> ActionParsnip: btw, my opera plugin folder is empty
[16:53] <downhill_> denis__: then that's why it's not playing ;) ;)
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> denis__: do you have one in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins  ?
[16:53] <denis__> ActionParsnip: but it opened pdf
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> denis__: thats fine it wont be soon
[16:54] <denis__> ActionParsnip:  there is a flashplugin-alternative.so
[16:55] <ct529> denis__: alternatively go with opera on www.adobe.com and install the plugin from there
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> denis__: try:: sudo find / -name *.so | grep flash
[16:55] <downhill_> protip: won't work on 64-bit
[16:55] <denis__> ct529:  I already did that yesterday! It always says that the operamotifwrapper is missing
[16:55] <mefisto__> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so or /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so ?
[16:55] <ct529> talk to you in a short while sorry
[16:56] <denis__> mefisto__:  first one is there
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> denis__: perfect
[16:56] <denis__> ct529:  no problem
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: ty man
[16:56] <denis__> so what am I supposed to do now?
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> denis__: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so  /usr/lib/opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> denis__: run that and close all operas
[16:57] <denis__> done
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> denis__: run opera
[16:57] <denis__> let's try it
[16:57]  * ActionParsnip plays a drumroll
[16:57] <willDH> Hello everyone.
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> !hi | willDH
[16:58] <denis__> ActionParsnip:  It works! Thanks guys!
[16:58] <willDH> Could i seek help for usage with my new Kubuntu unstallation here?
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> denis__: bam
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> denis__: same with any browser you install
[16:58] <denis__> but why doesn't adept  automatically set it up?
[16:58] <ActionParsnip> denis__: its not adepts job
[16:58] <denis__> the others work, firefox and konqueror
[16:59] <downhill_> yeah but they're also from the Ubuntu repos
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> denis__: adept installs the browser, if teh package has the plugin in it, it would work
[16:59] <downhill_> glad it's working for ya, denis__ ^_^
[16:59] <denis__> hmm, as far as I remember it always worked automatically
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> denis__: then they are configured for plugin folders to read all the plugin folders and grab them.
[17:00] <denis__> yes, right
[17:00] <denis__> one second
[17:00] <willDH> Could someone tell me if i'm experienceing a bug issue, or if this is normal.
[17:01] <denis__> great!  Eveb veetle should work!
[17:01] <willDH> I have an Intel 945GMA vga chipset in my laptop.
[17:01] <willDH> Every time my resolution changes i get booted back to the login screen.
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> willDH: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/266965
[17:01] <cheata> willDH me too
[17:01] <denis__> willDH:  me too
[17:01] <denis__> lol
[17:01] <willDH> D=
[17:01] <cheata> lol
[17:01] <denis__> what's your problem?
[17:01] <willDH> I guess it's a bug then, haha.
[17:01] <cheata> xorg
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> willDH: try a different res
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> willDH: or try the i810 driver
[17:02] <willDH> How would i go about switching driver's?
[17:03] <cheata> my problem is, I'm using a live distro, and when doing startx to start KDEit hangs up
[17:03] <cheata> screen shows just some colors and stripes
[17:03] <phitoo> Hello! I have downloaded the PPA packages of 4.2. I'm having a few problems. One of them is that the flash plug in no longer loads. Any clues?
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> willDH: edit xorg.conf
[17:04] <willDH> I get that flashing color's screen as well.
[17:04] <denis__> phitoo:  reinstall?
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: reinstall it and make sure there is a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[17:05] <phitoo> You mean reinstall kde?
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: no, just reinstall flash
[17:06] <phitoo> Ha! I don't have a .mozilla/plugins
[17:07] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: Tried that already.
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: sudo apt-get --reinstall install flashplugin-nonfree
[17:07] <genii> phitoo:  ~/.mozilla   not  just .mozilla
[17:07] <willDH> ActionParsnip Do i run Edit Xorg.conf in my terminal?
[17:07] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: That symlink should be to where?
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: then: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins; ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[17:08] <phitoo> genii: Sorry. That's what I meant.
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> willDH: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:09] <mefisto__> apparently adobe-flashplugin is the new package name in intrepid
[17:10] <willDH> ActionParsnip: I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg for an automatic update for my current vga driver's correct?
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> willDH: ive never used that
[17:11] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: No go. The symlink is created. I reloaded Konqueror but all I get is the same thingie that says Start Plugin.
[17:11] <phitoo> Will try reinstalling Flash again.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> willDH, normally that's just to update any xorg.conf  edits afaik
[17:12] <willDH> ActionParsnip: That is the option that came up when i ran the command you gave me.
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> mefisto__: doesnt show up in my apt-cache search
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> willDH: you need to edit the file to be similar to the link i sent
[17:13] <mefisto__> phitoo: make sure konqueror is set to search for plugins in the right paths
[17:13] <gorgonizer> willDH: afaik, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg no longer allows the selection of specific drivers for the xserver... though it did on previous xserver releases..
[17:13] <cheata> willDH what's your problem with the intel graphic card ?
[17:14] <willDH> I get kicked back to the login screen upon the change of resolution's. Gaming. Video's.
[17:15] <maco> isnt there only 1 driver for intel anyway....called -intel
[17:15] <maco> i thought the old -i945 and -i855 ones were gone
[17:16] <willDH> ActionParsnip: I am afraid to touch this edit in the terminal. I'm completely new to Linux BTW.
[17:17] <cheata> willDH I'm new to linux too
[17:17] <cheata> I can't even get in KDE
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> willDH: its the best way to learn, the file only defines display and mouse / keyboard settings so it wont break anything
[17:18] <willDH> cheata: I'm glad i'm not the only one.
[17:19] <willDH> All i know at the moment, is that i am having problem's with VGA and sound.
[17:19] <mefisto__> willDH: you can back up your current xorg.conf, so it's easy to restore if you want to
[17:20] <willDH> Can't seem to get my sound back.
[17:20] <shutdown> Hello, I'm from Poland. Pleas give me polish channel support for kubuntu. My engilish is very bed.... sorry :P
[17:20] <maco> shutdown: #ubuntu-pl
[17:20] <shutdown> fot kubuntu...
[17:20] <chucky> hi
[17:20] <shutdown> for kubuntu
[17:20] <ubuntu_> hello
[17:21] <BluesKaj> !pl
[17:22] <shutdown> ok, bay
[17:22] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: Sorry! I was cut off for a few minutes. Have I missed anything? I am reinstalling Flash now.
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: you need a symlink to ~/.mozilla/plugins  did you get that line?
[17:23] <ubuntu_> i have been trying for days to get past the login screen, most recently i have tried to change my xorg drivers, tried vesa and nv.
[17:23] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: Did that and there was no change.
[17:24] <willDH> Does Kubuntu come with LIBDRM pre-installed?
[17:24] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: Just reinstalled Flash. Restarted Konqueror and I still have Start Plugin instead of Flash.
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: can you give the output of: file ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> oh konqueror...?
[17:25] <phitoo> ActionParsnip: Oops! Where you expecting something else?
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> i dont use konqueror so wouldnt know where its plugins folder is
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> phitoo: most users are firefo brainwashed
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> *firefox
[17:26] <gorgonizer> phitoo: there is an option within Konqueror settings to search for plugins within various folders, ensure that ~/.mozilla/plugins is listed...
[17:26] <willDH> How do i open a .deb file?
[17:27] <mefisto__> phitoo: make sure konqueror is set to search for plugins in the right paths
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> willDH: do you want to extract it? or install it as a package?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | willDH
[17:27] <phitoo> gorgonizer: been there done that. And it finds the plugin.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[17:27] <BluesKaj> !drm
[17:28] <willDH> It's a set of test driver's for intel VGA.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> !info drm
[17:28] <willDH> https://edge.launchpad.net/~intel-gfx-testing/+archive/ppa
[17:29] <mefisto__> phitoo: is ~/.mozilla/plugins at the top of the list of paths? konqueror uses the first one it finds
[17:30] <BluesKaj> willDH , open or install .. right click on the .deb file , option to install with the "deb installer"
[17:30] <gorgonizer> phitoo: which flash plugin are you using, as I use the flashplugin-nonfree package, and flash works in Konqueror for me (4.2)
[17:32] <phitoo> mefisto_: Yes, it is. And konqueror finds the actual path in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so.
[17:32] <phitoo> gorgonizer: same as you. From multiverse, I believe.
[17:33] <gorgonizer> phitoo: yep, the package is from multiverse repo, do you have the version 10.0.15.3ubuntu1~intrepid1?
[17:34] <mefisto__> phitoo: should be libflashplayer.so
[17:35] <phitoo> gorgonizer: Correct. Perhaps it's a 64bit problem. I'm using arch amd64.
[17:35] <gorgonizer> phitoo: ahhh, I am using 32bit...
[17:36] <mefisto__> phitoo: there is a 64bit flash plugin at adobe.com
[17:36] <phitoo> mefisto__: I've always seen that alternative so there, I think.
[17:37] <phitoo> mefisto__: If it's not packaged, I don't use it. I don't want to create more problems around me. :-)
[17:38] <maco> i use swfdec and swfdec-mozilla
[17:38] <willDH> Error: Dependancy is not satisfiable: Libdrm-intel1
[17:38] <willDH> Well, i guess that is out of the question.
[17:39] <mefisto__> phitoo: you just need the .so file to try it. deleting that file from wherever you want to put it is all you have to do to uninstall it
[17:41] <phitoo> mefisto__: hang on! Just found something peculiar.
[17:42] <siekacz> hi
[17:44] <HEP85> Will enabling compositing reduce battery life?
[17:45] <genii> HEP85: All other things being equal, yes
[17:45] <Pici> Yes. Since it will be using your video card more, which requires power, fans running, etc.
[17:46] <mefisto__> HEP85: there are power profiles that canswitch off things like compositing when on battery power
[17:46] <HEP85> I have only a small on-chip gfx from intel, but I guess it will also use more power, right?
[17:46] <phitoo> mefisto__: Well, maybe not so peculiar. The usr/lib location is a pointer to another symlink in /etc/alternatives which in turn point to /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper-libflashplayer.so.
[17:47] <phitoo> OK, guys! I think I'm going to file that one as a bug. Thanks for trying.
[17:47] <HEP85> I am thinking about setting all battery power profiles to disable compositing, because my the battery in my new laptop currently lasts only almost 3 hours, while 4.5 were advertised
[17:48] <mefisto__> phitoo: take a look at man update-alternatives
[17:48] <phitoo> Now, there is that little problem with kontact crashing on startup....?
[17:48] <HEP85> I will see how much this will do
[17:48] <maco> 4.5??
[17:48] <HEP85> Thanks
[17:48] <maco> wow
[17:48] <maco> my battery was advertised at 2 and i get 2.5
[17:49] <maco> (with compiz)
[17:49] <HEP85> I got a HP 550
[17:49] <commander_> i need help. i'm trying to get the copmpiz effcts like  rotating cube,window shifter ,etc on here
[17:49] <HEP85> it's only 350€
[17:49] <pulaski> hello, has anyone experienced problems loading local html pages containing simple pages with embedded javascipt with the recent firefox update? I can loadother remote pages ok except gmail.
[17:49] <mefisto__> HEP85: batteries usually don't last as long as advertised. maco is the lucky exception
[17:50] <maco> commander_: kwin has those built-in
[17:50] <HEP85> mefisto__: I thought so, but I didn't expect such a big difference. More like about 3.5 or so
[17:50] <commander_> kwin/
[17:51] <commander_> ?
[17:51] <maco> commander_: kde's window manager. it does compositing and it does the most known features from compiz
[17:51] <commander_> maco where's that?
[17:51] <maco> commander_: just go to system settings -> desktop and check the "enable desktop effects" box.
[17:52] <maco> the tabs in there let you set such things
[17:53] <commander_> how do i get to that?
[17:53] <maco> if you want the window switcher where it shows a big rectange with previes of the windows, choose "box switch" (you can type into the "search plugins" box to get it easily)
[17:53] <maco> commander_: with a mouse?
[17:53] <maco> its in the menu
[17:53] <maco> as soon as you open the menu, system settings is on the first page
[17:54] <mefisto__> commander_: here's a quick way: right-click any window titlebar, configure window behaviour
[17:54] <commander_> ok i did that but i don't see nothign for the cube effect,etc.
[17:55] <mefisto__> commander_: do you have kde4?
[17:56] <phitoo> Is there a way to test Flash on kubuntu outside of konqueror?
[17:56] <mastersanta> ??
[17:57] <BluesKaj> phitoo , firefox
[17:58] <mastersanta> firefox + mplayer plugin :)
[17:58] <phitoo> BluesKaj: Yes, but how much of KDE would that use?
[17:58] <commander_> kde4.1/kubuntu 8.10
[17:59] <mefisto__> commander_: in the "all effects" tab
[18:00] <BluesKaj> phitoo, what exactly are you trying to test with flash ?
[18:00] <gorgonizer> commander_: I think the desktop cube effect was only added for KDE 4.2
[18:01] <mefisto__> ahh, I think gorgonizer is right
[18:01] <commander_> can i get kde4.2
[18:01] <BluesKaj> gorgonizer, I was using the cube in 4.1
[18:01] <phitoo> BluesKaj: konqueror does not seem to load the plugin.
[18:01] <gorgonizer> commander_: yes, it is in an experimental repository.. http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2
[18:01] <BluesKaj> phitoo, youtube ?
[18:02] <gorgonizer> BluesKaj: according to the 4.2 Feature Plan it was added fpor 4.2, it may have been backported, I am unsure...
[18:03] <BluesKaj> yeah, it was, gorgonizer
[18:04] <phitoo> BluesKaj: No flashplayer loaded no youtube. But as I said previously I'll file a bug.
[18:04] <whut> What's the best software to try and restore a corrupted flash-card?
[18:04] <genii> phitoo: Ask them in #arora about a deb for kubuntu (arora is a qt based browser with nsplugin support, but it is currently not included in stock repos)
[18:04] <BluesKaj> phitoo ,  flashplugin-nonfree installed ?
[18:04] <phitoo> genii: now that sounds like what's need.
[18:05] <phitoo> BluesKaj: Yes. And we just went through the exercise.
[18:05] <BluesKaj> ! flashplugin-nonfree
[18:05] <BluesKaj> !flashplugin-nonfree
[18:06] <mefisto__> phitoo: try putting /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ at the top of the list of paths in konq plugin settings
[18:06] <BluesKaj> ok , phitoo test it with firefox , just to make sure
[18:07] <badpc> how do you change the login screen in kde 4.1?
[18:08] <nashk> Hi, I'm having a very hard time letting kubuntu see my cdrom. Is there some module I need to load for it to see it?
[18:08] <giarca> badpc: it's called splash screen and you can find it in system setting - apparenace - splash screen
[18:09] <Ga_Boi> hey
[18:09] <mefisto__> no, it's not splashscreen
[18:09] <mefisto__> systemsettings, advanced tab, login manager
[18:09] <badpc> giarca: no im talking about the login screen not the splash
[18:09] <phitoo> mefisto__: I think it needs that npwrapper file. After all the player is supposed to be for mozilla so konqueror most likely needs to do some mapping.
[18:10] <Ga_Boi> hey is there any particular reason an nc8430 wouldn't be able to read an 8 gb sdhc card with its built in reader? :X
[18:10] <giarca> badpc: ah sorry, misunderstand
[18:10] <ct529> hi
[18:10] <FatBoy> Hey dudes
[18:11]  * Ga_Boi sighs
[18:11] <maco> Ga_Boi: maybe the reader only does normal SD?
[18:11] <ct529> I have plugged in a camera .... it is properly recognised but does not request installing drivers .... :(
[18:11] <maco> Ga_Boi: or the hardware can do SDHC but the driver can't...
[18:11] <FatBoy> anyone knows where to get the best ATI drivers for Kubuntu 8.10
[18:11] <Ga_Boi> well the issue is i could swear i got it to read it once.
[18:11] <maco> ct529: does it work?
[18:11] <Ga_Boi> but, now the card won't get read by my comp or my n810
[18:11] <maco> ct529: usually usb cameras just come to life on their own
[18:12] <Ga_Boi> i've tried up grading drivers, i've tried every work around on the net X.x
[18:12] <phitoo> BluesKaj: Installing firefox would pull in 77 new packages...
[18:13] <Ga_Boi> the wierdest damn thing is it registers in my phone
[18:13] <Ga_Boi> and in most peoples phones
[18:13] <Ga_Boi> it jsut won't format in the phones.
[18:13] <Ga_Boi> it doesn't appear at all when i put it in my comp or n810
[18:13] <ct529> maco: skype does not recognise it
[18:14] <downhill_> Ga_Boi: restart hal
[18:14] <Ga_Boi> how would i do that?
[18:14] <downhill_> /etc/init.d/hal restart #as root
[18:14] <downhill_> I even made that copy & paste friendly :p
[18:15] <ct529> maco: actually there should be a device
[18:15] <Ga_Boi> ah.. well i'll try]
[18:15] <ct529> maco: like /dev/video .... but it is not there
[18:15] <maco> ct529: nothing with Cheese either then?
[18:16] <maco> some cameras work with some apps but not all
[18:16] <ct529> maco: Creative Technology, Ltd Live! Cam Video IM Pro is the camera
[18:16] <Ga_Boi> operation  not permitted
[18:16] <downhill_> then it's probably using V4L 1 instead of 2 or something
[18:16] <downhill_> Ga_Boi: as root.
[18:16] <maco> but if there's no device, then yeah you probably need a driver. one may exist on the internet somewhere. or one may need to be written.
[18:16] <Ga_Boi> i thought i had root >.<
[18:16] <maco> Ga_Boi: did you use sudo?
[18:17] <Ga_Boi> doh' i'm a linux newb >.<
[18:17] <downhill_> sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[18:17] <Ga_Boi> i know lol
[18:17] <Ga_Boi> i just ment i forgot sudo >.<
[18:17] <Ga_Boi> anyway the hard drive is spinnin now lol
[18:18] <ct529> maco: cheese says no camera found
[18:18] <maco> ct529: in that case: google. maybe someone wrote a driver, maybe they didn't
[18:18] <downhill_> Ga_Boi: you can hear the HDD?
[18:18] <Ga_Boi> cd drive my bad >.<
[18:18] <downhill_> oh, right
[18:18] <Ga_Boi> terribly sorry i'm so far gone.. last weeks been hell lol
[18:19] <Ga_Boi> anyway  it responded  * Restarting Hardware abstraction layer hald                            [ OK ]
[18:19] <downhill_> ya huh
[18:19] <downhill_> try plugging in your whateverthehell card
[18:19] <Ga_Boi> nothing x.X
[18:20] <downhill_> you're using a USB card reader?
[18:20] <mefisto__> phitoo: do you have linux32 installed?
[18:20] <Ga_Boi> built in reader
[18:20] <Ga_Boi> sd*sc
[18:20] <downhill_> ok, so is it persistent? like, does the device show up regardless of whether or not there's a card plugged in physically?
[18:20] <commander_> ok i really need help insstalling KDE 4.2!!!
[18:20] <Ga_Boi> no
[18:21] <Ga_Boi> nothing shows up at all
[18:21] <downhill_> commander_: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!say!!!!!!your!!!!!question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:21] <downhill_> um, I dunno Ga_Boi...
[18:22] <commander_> I WANT TO GET KDE 4.2 BUT THE WAY THEY SHOWING IT I CAN'T GET IT THRU ADEPT MANAGER
[18:22] <downhill_> well maybe but frankly I don't have the energy atm to go through the routine of finding out what drive it is (in /dev) blah blah
[18:22] <downhill_> commander_: what's the problem?
[18:22] <Ga_Boi> oh well thanks man preciate it.
[18:22] <commander_> GETTING THE KDE 4 UPDATE
[18:22] <downhill_> Ga_Boi: if you can figure out what drive it is, try using "mount" to ...
[18:22] <downhill_> or not
[18:23] <downhill_> commander_: specifically...
[18:23] <SilentDis> hello.  i just plugged in a USB headset, it was recognized, the 'test' button works.  I've promoted it to the main device to use in the multimedia settings... yet nothing is using it.  How do i switch to using it (kubuntu 8.10)
[18:23] <commander_> 4.2.0
[18:23] <commander_> i guess
[18:24] <gorgonizer> commander_: the update is easier to perform via the command line..
[18:24] <downhill_> commander_: what's the problem? what error are you getting? what are you doing?
[18:24] <commander_> a lot of errors
[18:24] <commander_> and i'm doing exactly want it tells me
[18:24] <gorgonizer> commander_: is it complaining about an problem overwriting a file?
[18:24]  * downhill_ gives up
[18:25] <commander_> i think so
[18:25] <mefisto__> commander_: why don't you just tell us what the errors are?
[18:25] <gorgonizer> can you locate in the error which package is causing the overwirte issue?
[18:26] <gorgonizer> if so, you will need to do sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite [Packagename]   where packagename also includes the path to the package..
[18:32] <matveev> Hi! What is the easiest way to generate a random number from command line?
[18:36] <SilentDis> hello.  i just plugged in a USB headset, it was recognized, the 'test' button works.  I've promoted it to the main device to use in the multimedia settings... yet nothing is using it.  How do i switch to using it (kubuntu 8.10)
[18:36] <matveev> never mind, this works fine: echo $(($RANDOM % 10))
[18:44] <vbgunz> kubuntu does not come with a spacer plasma widget correct?
[18:47] <blahjake> matveev: nice to know, is that a bash-ism or more general?
[18:50] <matveev> blahjake: doesnt work in "tcsh" so it must be
[18:58] <sorset> hi, im using kubuntu 8.10, KBluetooth4 is already running but GUI doesnt appear.... i didnt have this problem in previous kubuntu..
[18:59] <vbgunz> anybody have a widescreen? anyone have any idea why the oxygen greeter does not scale width wise? I have these black bars on left/right side of my greeter
[18:59] <nizertop> Hello
[19:00] <vbgunz> hello, and welcome again to the apertue science enrichment center
[19:00] <nizertop> Does anybody know how to add extra repositories in kubuntu 8.04
[19:00] <Bauldrick> Hi - whats the best way to `join` 2 .avi files? I have done "cat file_1.avi fle_2.avi > file.avi" and then "mencoder file.avi -o file_output.avi -forceidx -ovc copy -oac copy" but the second half comes out scrambled
[19:00] <maco> nizertop: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:00] <vbgunz> nizertop: /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:01] <maco> Bauldrick: thats probably because there are start of video headers in there. try kdenlive, maybe?
[19:01] <nizertop> I'd like to add repositories for openoffice.org and firefox but I'm not sure what they are?
[19:01] <maco> nizertop: er...they're in the ubuntu repositories already
[19:01] <gorgonizer> vbgunz: I have a widescreen monitor, and a number of prompts/greeters are not correctly aligned horizontally, but I don't think I get black bars during login...
[19:02] <vbgunz> gorgonizer: they go away and flip back/forth after logging in. I mean the greeter screen. the background image is a svg but it doesn't scale width wise
[19:03] <uman_> Hey guys. I changed mobos so now i only have 2 nics instead of 3.. The thing is i really need to change the name of eth1 to eth2. how can i do that? Thanks
[19:03] <nizertop> If they
[19:04] <nizertop> If they're in their already, then how come I can't upgrade openoffice to 3.0?
[19:04] <maco> nizertop: becaue 8.10 only has 2.4
[19:04] <gorgonizer> nizertop: OO3 is in a different repo..
[19:04] <nizertop> ok
[19:04] <maco> nizertop: if you want 3.0, follow the directions on https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa
[19:04] <nizertop> what can I say, I'm a newbie
[19:04] <mefisto__> nizertop: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[19:05] <gorgonizer> vbgunz: I am unsure as to which screen you mean, the one for grub (which always sits on the left for me) or the Kubuntu loading screen (which is central for me)
[19:05] <vbgunz> gorgonizer: the KDM greeter screen
[19:06] <uman1> Hey guys. I changed mobos so now i only have 2 nics instead of 3.. The thing is i really need to change the name of eth1 to eth2. how can i do that? Thanks
[19:06] <maco> uman1: i can only think of the red hat way to do that :(
[19:06] <gorgonizer> vbgunz: the login screen?  That is central for me (or do you mean the post login/pre-desktop screen)?
[19:07] <vbgunz> gorgonizer: the KDM greeter screen. its the X screen you use to log in
[19:07] <gorgonizer> ah, that is correctly positioned for me..
[19:08] <vbgunz> gorgonizer: not the position. the background scale
[19:08] <gorgonizer> wel, ht is what I meant, it fits the entirity of my 1680x1050 dispay..
[19:08] <mefisto__> uman1: it's a script in /etc/udev/rules.d/   somewhere that sets the name
[19:09] <vbgunz> mines was 1920x1080 and now 2048x1120 ... the greet screen never fits either one
[19:10] <maco> uman1: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persisten-net.rules
[19:10] <uman1> maco mefisto thanks, i found out how, had to change 70-persistent-net.rules
[19:10] <uman1> maco, haha thanks anyway, gonna logout or reboot to see if the changes are applied
[19:10] <gorgonizer> vbgunz: no black bars either side, I did have it where the greeter screen was bigger than my desktop, but that was due to a virtual desktop entry in xorg.conf..
[19:10] <maco> reboot i think
[19:10] <maco> OH! figured out why my NICs start at eth1 and wlan1
[19:11] <maco> it ties to mac address, and i swapped the hard drive between 2 computers
[19:11] <vbgunz> well, I got it to fit just right by editing the oxygen.xml file and setting the height to 125%
[19:11] <gorgonizer> vbgunz: will have to remember that when I get a larger widescreen monitor
[19:12] <vbgunz> now where can I find the post login/pre desktop theme settings?
[19:13] <mefisto__> vbgunz: you mean the splash?
[19:13] <vbgunz> yeah, I need to edit something
[19:14] <mefisto__> systemsettings, appearance, splash screen
[19:14] <planB> can someone tell me what command is to mount the encrypted partition?
[19:14] <vbgunz> mefisto__: I mean the actual hard files.
[19:15] <mefisto__> vbgunz: oh. no idea
[19:16] <x_> ?
[19:17] <mefisto__> vbgunz: /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/
[19:18] <planB> anyone?
[19:18] <planB> i cant find where the encrypted drive is
[19:19] <planB> can someone help?
[19:19] <vbgunz> mefisto__: thanks but that doesn't exist for me
[19:19] <vbgunz> will try something
[19:19] <ghostcube> planB, if someone seees it and knows it he will help
[19:19] <planB> thanx
[19:19] <maco> planB: are you on jaunty with an encrypted disk and its not auto-setting it up for you when you boot?
[19:19] <mefisto__> vbgunz: usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes
[19:19] <maco> if so, you need to look at the LuksOpen command
[19:20] <vbgunz> mefisto__: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes
[19:20] <maco> and i dont use an encrypted drive, so i cant get any further than that
[19:20] <planB> im on trepid - when installing i did an encrypted partition
[19:20] <vbgunz> mefisto__: thank you very much!
[19:20] <maco> planB: er...it should unlock and mount when you give it the passphrase on boot
[19:20] <planB> i dont know how to open/mount it
[19:21] <planB> its a seperate partition right - thats how i did it
[19:21] <vbgunz> 1920x1200 seems to be the max resolution
[19:21] <maco> it should still prompt for a passphrase automatically, if it's for / or /home, i think...
[19:21] <maco> but anyway, LuksOpen is the command you need, check the manpage because i dont use it
[19:22] <planB> ok cool
[19:51] <vbgunz> I think I may have solved my woes here... if I did, I will post back some results
[19:55] <gwhip> need help! no nvidia driver after todays upgrades
[19:56] <BluesKaj> which card?
[19:56] <gwhip> 180.*
[19:56] <gwhip> that wasdriver it was using
[19:57] <BluesKaj> driver may hve to be updated orchanged depending on the model
[19:58] <gwhip> i tried the hardware drivers program to reinstall and it wouldn't go through
[19:59] <gwhip> should i use envy instead
[19:59] <Tm_T> gwhip: what upgrades?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> no,use adept,,, theright driver will be in properties list if you type in the model #
[20:00] <gwhip> upgraded about 2 hours ago it uninstalled nvidia
[20:00] <Tm_T> gwhip: intrepid?
[20:01] <gwhip> sorry, jaunty
[20:01] <Tm_T> gwhip: erm, you use jaunty, because...
[20:01] <gwhip> i know i should expect it with alpha
[20:02] <gwhip> becuase it was working so good with new kde4
[20:02] <BluesKaj> want jaunty advice ,goto kubuntu+1
[20:02] <gwhip> BluesKaj: thanks
[20:03] <Tm_T> gwhip: FYI: with alpha software, you will get breakages, and you should be ready to fix stuff (:
[20:03] <BluesKaj> err #kubuntu+1
[20:03] <Tm_T> root: hi, are we rooted now?
[20:04] <gwhip> yea i know that's why all files i need are on separate data partitions
[20:05] <Tm_T> gwhip: which might not save you from breakages that leads to dataloss (:
[20:06] <gwhip> #kubuntu+1 just takes me to #ubuntu+1
[20:07] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is there a way to stop middle-click from pasting? Its getting annoying to have stuff like "fetti Pasta Course list last upda" randomly inserted into documents and emails :/
[20:11] <willHD> Is there a bug in everyone's VGA driver set?
[20:11] <willHD> Such as reolution glitching out.
[20:11] <CoJaBo-Aztec> ?
[20:12] <willHD> My VGA driver send's me back to the login screen when i change resolution's.
[20:13] <CoJaBo-Aztec> willHD: lol I couldn't even figure out how to change the resolution.
[20:14] <willHD> Application's > System > Screen size & Rotate.
[20:14] <willHD> It will open an icon in your systray to change yoru resolution.
[20:15] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Aztec: there is a way to make the middle-click emulated with simultaneous left+right click. that might work, but not sure what it will do when you do a normal middle-click
[20:15] <willHD> I have no clue.
[20:15] <willHD> I'm new to Kubuntu myself.
[20:15] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Aztec: might not make any difference, but you could try
[20:16] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Aztec: in xorg.conf add this in mouse section: Option "EmulateWheelButton"	"2"
[20:16] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Aztec: in xorg.conf add this in mouse section: Option     "EmulateWheelButton"    "2"
[20:16] <CoJaBo-Aztec> mefisto__: Does that still keep it working in other programs tho?
[20:16] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Aztec: not really sure
[20:17]  * CoJaBo-Aztec is suprised at the number of simple things that still require editing config files to fix :/
[20:17] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Aztec: but probably not :(
[20:18] <cjae> can someone please test a web page for me report how it shows up? text is all scrambled and hard to read http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/news/
[20:18] <cjae> tried in ff and konq too
[20:18] <cjae> and opera
[20:19] <SlimeyPete> cjae: Same in IE6.
[20:19] <CoJaBo-Aztec> mefisto__: Any other ideas? Surely this can't be something that can't be done??
[20:20] <cjae> SlimeyPete: whats up with that you think a would w3b standard?
[20:20] <cjae> being a lin page and all
[20:22] <cjae> w3c opps
[20:24] <willHD> How wouls i check for new hardware updates?
[20:24] <willHD> Sources > Feth current package lists?
[20:26] <gorgonizer> willHD: do you mean software updates?  if so, yes...
[20:28] <Quicken2k> Hi
[20:32] <willHD> gorgonizer: How would i check to see if there is an updated driver for -intel?
[20:34] <jim_p> hello people of kde
[20:34] <gorgonizer> from the command line, do    apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel  should tell you the version you have installed, and the newest one available from the repositories..
[20:34] <jim_p> can you tell me why kopete does not log me it my msn account?
[20:35] <gorgonizer> jim_p: have you upgraded since yesterday?  A new version of libmsn has been released, it fixed issue for me..
[20:35] <jim_p> gorgonizer, yes. its the same situation since last week
[20:36] <gorgonizer> oh, I can log in to my WLM account without issue today after updating this morning (as MSN is now called)...
[20:36] <jim_p> let me retry and see for the update
[20:42] <jim_p> gorgonizer, are you sure about the package name?
[20:43] <gorgonizer> jim_p: package name is libmsn0.1
[20:46] <jim_p> libmsn0.1 is installed and at the latest version
[20:50] <bubba> hi, what program do you prefer to rip cd to mp3?
[20:51] <Tm_T> bubba: I use Konqueror
[20:52] <bubba> Tm_T, ok, how then?
[20:52] <gorgonizer> jim_p: my kopete failed to work yesterday, updated this morning and have been able to login all day to my MSN/WLM account(s)..
[20:53] <jim_p> gorgonizer, all i have to do is wait then
[20:53] <jim_p> thanks
[20:53] <jim_p> bubba, i use k3b
[20:53] <noaXess> with the system monitor widgets i can't get the termal of my nvidia card..
[20:53] <noaXess> is there any solution to get the nvidia termal?
[20:54] <gorgonizer> bubba: I tend to use soundKonverter..
[20:55] <noaXess> with gkrellm i get nvidia temps
[20:55] <noaXess> is there a widget for this?
[20:58] <alexei> Hi, how do I find out what ports are forwarded by an SSH session. I seem not to be able to interpret output of "~#" sequence
[21:01] <dust> tail -f /home/dust/tiny.log |grep -e "tells you" |osd3 &
[21:01] <dust> why does this not work?
[21:01] <dust> it works without |osd3 &
[21:01] <bubba> gorgonizer,  soundKonverter seems ok. However, when I try to rip nothing happens. Should I install some packages?
[21:03] <jim_p> noaXess, i thing nvidia-settings +some parameter will get you the temperature
[21:03] <jim_p> anyways, you can always search kde-look.org for some widget
[21:04] <jim_p> goodnight
[21:04] <noaXess> jim_p: jep that i know... but easy will be a widget ;)
[21:04] <Bipolar> I'm using the kde 4.2 packages, but having an issue with Akonadi. what options is /usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi run with? I'm getting this error http://pastebin.com/m54673428 but I don't know what directory it's looking for.
[21:17] <kaddi> evening :)
[21:17] <cjae> does anyone have separate x screens working with 8.10 (nvidia) yet, I tried a use the the built in GUI in nvidia I had something on my tv, but just a x mouse and rest of screen black, I also tried copying an old xorg.conf that I worked with pervious  versions of ubuntu
[21:17] <gorgonizer> bubba: in Soundkonverter, go to Settings -> Configure Soundkonverter -> backends.. there is an impressive amount of programs it can use, and you can select which programs you want Soundkonverter to use from waht you have installed..
[21:18] <cjae> I mean twinview is ok but it is annoying having my apps I open on my tv come up on my monitor
[21:21] <bubba> gorgonizer, now it is set to ffmpeg, is there any option?
[21:22] <hubar> err, I pissed off my wife by having kubuntu on my laptop and she formatted it. :(
[21:23] <mefisto__> whose laptop?
[21:23] <hubar> Mine.
[21:23] <cjae> hubar: sometimes takes a long time to convert g/f's and wives
[21:23] <cjae> mine took 6 months
[21:24] <cjae> now she loves it
[21:24] <mefisto__> hubar: so she prefers gnome?
[21:24] <hubar> I am going to buy an apple next time. err
[21:24] <hubar> mefisto__, she prefers a platform she can watch her desperate housewives episodes on.
[21:24] <gorgonizer> bubba: if you have different programs installed, you should be able to use the drop down menu to select another..  for MP3, I am using lame..
[21:24]  * cjae punched last fruit machine he used
[21:24] <ronny_> i'm confused, i have a 64bit core2duo CPU, why cant i install the 64bit version ?
[21:25] <bubba> gorgonizer. what is that?
[21:25] <mefisto__> hubar: does that require IE or something?
[21:25] <Tecumseh> what makes you think you can't install the 64-bit version?
[21:25] <cjae> hubar: $500 dual core lappy w/k-x-ubuntu = $500 and good, dual core mac = good but broke
[21:25] <martijn81> when i connect two usb hard disks, only one is recognized by kde
[21:26] <martijn81> what can i do about this?
[21:26] <cjae> broke and in bank
[21:26] <cjae> -and +as
[21:26] <gorgonizer> bubba: lame is a program to encode music in mp3 format...
[21:27] <gorgonizer> although if I remember correctly lame = Lame Ain't an Mp3 Encoder...
[21:27] <Tecumseh> hubar: you did tell your wife that you put kubuntu on it didn't you?
[21:27] <bubba> gorgonizer, ok, however. lame doesnt resolve the problem. I click "start" but all I get is "waiting" an nothing happens (0%)
[21:28] <niels_> can somebody help me with my xp-kubuntu dual boot problem please?
[21:28] <hubar> mefisto__, I dunno about IE, but it says only windows and Mac.
[21:28] <mefisto__> doesn't konqueror make ripping CDs ridiculously easy?
[21:28] <hubar> Tecumseh, yeah she does know.
[21:28] <hubar> Tecumseh, but woman and technology are...
[21:28] <bubba> niels_, what is the problem ( hard to tell how to solve it otherwise)
[21:29] <niels_> i want to uninnstall kubuntu with grub and all, but i don't know how and for some reason i can't boot into xp
[21:29] <cjae> niels_: just tell the channel, ppl asking to ask makes irc ppl mad
[21:29] <MrMattux> Mbr probs niels_
[21:29] <Tecumseh> hubar: I know it took me a while convincing my wife. But after I got through to her that IE != internet but for example Firefox also gets you there I was half way ;)
[21:30] <cjae> niels_: dl a win98 boot disk with .iso extension on another computer
[21:30] <cjae> niels_: then boot with cdrom support
[21:30] <gorgonizer> bubba: for me, it does take a while whilst the CD/DVD drive gets to start reading the disc, but it does begin ripping..
[21:30] <cjae> niels_: at prompt type fdisk/mbr
[21:31] <bubba> gorgonizer, my cd rom doesnt even start spinning (although I have no problem listening to the CD)
[21:31] <gorgonizer> are the tracks added to soundKonverter?
[21:32] <gorgonizer> bubba: as I had to go to File -> Add CD tracks..
[21:32] <niels_> @cjae, thx i'll try that
[21:32] <bubba> gorgonizer, As far as I know they are all added
[21:33] <gorgonizer> have you selected the correct Output Format on the Simple/Detailed tabs?
[21:34] <cjae> niels_: that rewrites the master boot record for xp, it is the same on 98 as xp, then you can get partition app for windows and get ypur space back easeus partition manager is free
[21:34] <cjae> niels_: http://www.allbootdisks.com/downloads/ISO/AllBootDisks_ISO_Image_Downloads25/Win98SE_bootdisk.iso
[21:35] <cjae> niels_: http://www.download.com/Easeus-Partition-Manager/3000-2248_4-10863346.html
[21:38] <cjae> niels_: you can also use super grub boot disk but is a little advanced but teaches u stuff too
[21:38] <mefisto__> niels_: or do it with linux tools: http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/
[21:38] <niels_> cjae: thx, but i'll try the 98 boot disk
[21:40] <cjae> niels_: easiest way ive saw, don't let ppl tell you that xp and 98 mbr are diff cause it is BS, the xp boot disk is not nearly as easy
[21:43] <niels_> cjae: are you sure i'll be able to boot into xp (since i can't right now)
[21:43] <cjae> niels_: btw for fututre reference, ubuntu FAQ or something easy like that, has steps to remove ubuntu in simple terms, I think you even find it by searching Opps I uninstalled ubuntu and now I can't boot windows lol
[21:45] <cjae> niels_: if windows was on the computer first no doubt in my mind, but should work on any setup since it rewrites the MBR at (hd0,0)
[21:45] <cjae> and I think windows doesnt like it if you install anywhere else
[21:45] <stephen_> .
[21:46] <mefisto__> if you have a windows boot floppy, FDISK /mbr  works too
[21:48] <kaddi> anyone worked with the new windows live messenger plugin with kopete?
[21:48] <kaddi> i have friends telling me they got download links about something concerning msn 2009 from me
[21:49] <kaddi> and i don't know what this is supposed to mean
[21:51] <hubar> probably a link to redirect to a chinese website
[21:51] <hubar> that gives you a trojan in its iframes.
[21:51] <stephen_> you got trojan or something on your pc
[21:52] <ubuntu_> test
[21:52] <bmunger> i dont like quassel.. i wonder if anyone actually does
[21:53] <berserker> hi everybody
[21:54] <Mi> hi berserker
[21:55] <Walzmyn> I'm running 8.04 - I'm looking in adept for the place to turn on the upgrade to 8.10 as is shown in the wiki, but I can't find it.
[21:55] <berserker> Hi, Mi
[21:56] <kaddi> hubar: this is why i'm so confused: 1) i pride myself to have a certain knowledge concerning malware, 2) haven't gotten those redirects with windows, 3) haven't used a windows box in weeks and the  link jist appeared
[21:56] <kaddi> so its either something to do with the new wlm-plugin in kopete or i don't know
[21:56] <kaddi> he hasn't saved the link, so I can't tell if its legit or not
[21:56] <Mi> Wher you from ? berserker
[21:57] <berserker> spain, and you??
[21:57] <Mi> germany
[21:59] <berserker> some spanish, Mi??
[22:00] <Mi> no only german and a litle english
[22:00] <berserker> ok
[22:02] <berserker> what does 'Mi' mean??
[22:02] <Mi> last year in the spring i was in spain with my motocycle
[22:02] <jussi01> Can anyone tell me how to install silverlight in firefox?
[22:02] <jussi01> never mind, found it :)
[22:04] <berserker> good season to visit spain
[22:04] <berserker> what cities did you visit??
[22:05] <berserker> I live in Barcelona
[22:06] <jussi01> !ot | berserker
[22:07] <berserker> ok, ubottu
[22:07] <berserker> I didn't realize of it
[22:08] <mrS> how to install kubuntu 8.10 on a P-ATA system ? it keeps using /sda instead off /hda ?
[22:08] <Mi> is anybody here ther can speak german ?
[22:08] <mefisto__> !de
[22:09] <mrS> or better asked: how can i enter kernel parameters on fisrt install disk boot >
[22:09] <mefisto__> mrS: /sd* is normal
[22:10] <mrS> nope I have onli old IDE it has to be hda
[22:10] <mrS> grup wil redirect to sda while system will see onlu hda
[22:10] <mefisto__> mrS: no it will be sda anyway
[22:10] <mrS> mefisto > trust mne it will not work and and with kernel panic
[22:11] <mefisto__> mrS: well it works here with a very old laptop, much older that SATA existed
[22:11] <mrS> kubuntu will still use sata_sil driver. this is the worng one
[22:12] <mefisto__> mrS: so I don't trust you :)
[22:12] <mrS> nice:)
[22:12] <mrS> but honost it will not boot and will always end in kernel panic or sumply freez up
[22:13] <mrS> been using slackware for many years bit this is getting my knockers off
[22:17] <mrS> i will need to parse some kernel paramertes on fisrt install dvd boot to make sure the correct ata driver is loaded. But there seems nothing ....}
[22:20] <mefisto__> mrS: here's a discussion of a bug where upgrading to feisty failed to update fstab from /dev/hd* to the new /dev/sd* https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/93655
[22:20] <mefisto__> mrS: that was 2 years ago
[22:21] <mefisto__> mrS: is grub failing to boot?
[22:22] <PhilippeP> hmmmm is there a way to test a plasmoid other than plamoidviewer : the weather plasmoid crashes plasma after configuration when the mouse hover over it ... Tried in the viewer, does not crash ...
[22:24] <psychosmose> Hi community !
[22:24] <mrS> that bug i have encounterd with 8.04 : my solution:: a second limux os with the same kernel and no sata_sil driver compiled, edited the fstab file etc .. worked( was starnge i have to admit )
[22:25] <mrS> but thi threat dows not apply to 8.10 anymore. Other distro do install fine, but ot 8.10 ... :(
[22:25] <psychosmose> Can anyone tel me what is the real name of the «create usb startup disk» tools available in Ubuntu ? I went to install kubuntu and I don't find it in application menu ....
[22:26] <psychosmose> What is the name of this package ?
[22:26] <mrS> ps: i fired up 8.04 with link to teh special compiles kernel ...
[22:27] <psychosmose> I am french so please to agree my apologies for my incorrect language expression ...
[22:28] <mefisto__> mrS: so you haven't installed yet?
[22:28] <mrS> oh yes 8.q10 for teh 4th time always the same issue
[22:28] <mrS> cant even start it on my laptop ( 4 diffrent iso downloads )
[22:29] <psychosmose> Please, I need this tool today .. you don't know about my problem ?
[22:30] <mrS> wait have an idea: its wired, but i'll give it a try. Will ley you know
[22:36] <mefisto__> psychosmose: usb-creator           it is ubuntu/gnome and not installed with kubuntu, so I never even heard about it till now
[22:38] <emil> yo
[22:38] <emil> Anyone got a similar problem like me?
[22:39] <emil> I tried to open a photo from the net in GIMP.
[22:39] <emil> the photo had an Adobe RGB colorspace
[22:39] <emil> GIMP hanged up
[22:40] <emil> and now I cannot open any photo in GIMP, Krita...
[22:40] <emil> Kubuntu 8.10 + KDE 4.2
[22:40] <ghostcube> emil, this sounds strange
[22:40] <emil> I know
[22:40] <ghostcube> have u checked that gimp isnt still running in processes
[22:41] <emil> well.. actually the window of GIMP shows up
[22:41] <emil> when I click a menu - it quits
[22:41] <emil> I launched it from the console
[22:41] <emil> when it hangs I get:
[22:41] <emil> he program 'gimp' received an X Window System error.
[22:42] <emil> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[22:42] <emil> The error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'.
[22:42] <emil>   (Details: serial 12442 error_code 9 request_code 55 minor_code 0)
[22:42] <emil>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[22:42] <emil>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[22:42] <emil>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[22:42] <emil>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[22:42] <emil>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[22:42] <emil> (script-fu:11352): LibGimpBase-WARNING **: script-fu: gimp_wire_read(): error
[22:43] <mefisto__> !paste
[22:44] <gumpert345> hi Im running 8.10 with a pinnacle dvb-t stick, which worked some time ago pretty well, I can see it with lsusb but there is no /dev/frontend whatsoever, the driver comes with the kernel, what may I do to find the reason, why it doesnt work?
[22:44] <ghostcube> gumpert345, what is dmesg telling if u eject and then reconnect it to usb can u pastebin this lines to pastie.org
[22:45] <gumpert345> first eject then reconnect then dmesg, right?
[22:45] <ghostcube> emil, what distrie and what gimp version is this
[22:45] <ghostcube> gumpert345, yes put it off then put it in
[22:45] <ghostcube> then post dmesg after reattaching
[22:46] <gumpert345> http://pastebin.com/d75343cec
[22:47] <ghostcube> dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw) Please se
[22:47] <ghostcube> u need to get th efirmware and put it into the fw folder
[22:47] <gumpert345> /lib/firmware ?
[22:48] <ghostcube> http://www.wi-bw.tfh-wildau.de/~pboettch/home/files/dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw
[22:48] <emil_> guys.. are you running kubuntu 8.10 + KDE 4.2?
[22:49] <krom> yes
[22:49] <gumpert345> emil yes but I run trunk    ghostcube thanks for the link!
[22:49] <emil_> maybe you could check the photo if you have problems as well
[22:49] <emil_> http://blog.silive.com/latest_news/2008/04/04-15-pope.jpg
[22:49] <emil_> download it to your desktop
[22:49] <emil_> and try to open with GIMP or Krita
[22:49] <emil_> please..
[22:50] <emil_> well.. try to save it as PNG or TIFF or sth
[22:50] <gumpert345> ghostcube /lib/firmware is right?
[22:50] <ghostcube> yes u can do a locate for *.fw
[22:50] <ghostcube> it should be inside the kernel version
[22:50] <emil_> if it works at your machines theni have a mess with my OS
[22:50] <ghostcube> /lib/firmware/kernelversion
[22:51] <ghostcube> if not just into /lib/firmware
[22:51] <ghostcube> both should work
[22:52] <emil_> BTW Krita crashing with the following:
[22:52] <emil_> QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.
[22:52] <emil_> QGArray: Cannot allocate array with negative length
[22:52] <emil_> QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.
[22:52] <emil_> KCrash: Application 'krita' crashing...
[22:52] <emil_> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
[22:52] <ghostcube> !paste | eMaX
[22:52] <ghostcube> damn
[22:52] <ghostcube> emil,
[22:52] <emil_> sorry
 i have no problem with my GIMP
[22:53] <emil_> i need to do some photo retouching and I'm left with no tools.. ;(
[22:53] <gumpert345> ghostcube works thanks a lot!
[22:53] <ghostcube> np
[22:54] <ghostcube> emil, tried reinstalling gimp or tried the version from getdeb.net ?
[22:55] <haribo> hello, can anybody offer some advice on how to update to kde 4.2 on a fresh installation of kubuntu 8.04? Adept gave me an error message "commit failed ...", related to kdebase-workspace-libs... trying to overwrite /usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/krdb_clearlibrarypath
[22:55] <ghostcube> 8.04 ?
[22:55] <emil_> reinstalled GIMP and Krita
[22:55] <emil_> version from official repository
[22:56] <haribo> eh, 8.10, that is
[22:56] <krom> emil, or u can try to run gimp from console
[22:56] <krom> and u see gimp error on stderr
[22:56] <emil_> I just run GIMP from the console
[22:57] <ghostcube> haribo, www.kubuntu.org
[22:57] <ghostcube> this should work fine
[22:57] <emil_> I see three default windows now
[22:57] <emil_> let me click on File menu
[22:57] <emil_> bang
[22:57] <emil_> output from console
[22:57] <emil_> The program 'gimp' received an X Window System error.
[22:57] <emil_> This probably reflects a bug in the program
[22:57] <emil_> The program 'gimp' received an X Window System error.
[22:58] <emil_> This probably reflects a bug in the program
[22:58] <emil_> he error was 'BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)'.
[22:58] <emil_>   (Details: serial 12606 error_code 9 request_code 55 minor_code 0)
[22:58] <emil_> etc.
[22:58] <haribo> emil_: I followed the instructions on kubuntu.org, but ran into errors
[22:58] <emil_> and I'm fairly sure it happened when I tried to open the afforementioned picture
[22:58] <haribo> ghostcube: the instructions on kubuntu.org gave me the problems I described
[22:58] <emil_> I believe GIMP asked me to convert the colorspace from Adobe RGB to sRGB
[22:59] <emil_> hanged up and Krita and Gwenview would hang up
[22:59] <emil_> I know it's weird
[23:00] <ghostcube> haribo, no bugs related to this in tracker ?
[23:00] <haribo> hmm, I dont know tracker
[23:01] <haribo> I saw some people on ubuntuforums with the same problem, but without solution
[23:01] <ghostcube> is this all that you can post for error
[23:01] <ghostcube> it should end up with which is also in
[23:01] <mefisto__> haribo: try uninstalling that package, upgrade to 4.2, then install the package after the upgrade
[23:02] <emil_> I guess I'd better reinstall the system tomorrow...
[23:03] <emil_> if I was sure the problem was in damaged config file I'd delete the .kde directory
[23:03] <emil_> but somehow I feel that's not the problem
[23:03] <mefisto__> emil_: gimp settings are not in .kde
[23:03] <emil_> krita and gwenview hang as well
[23:04] <emil_> that's why it doesn't make sense
[23:04] <ghostcube> emil_,  you tried a clean session
[23:04] <mefisto__> emil_: have you tried restarting X, or reboot?
[23:04] <emil_> yep
[23:04] <emil_> restarted X
[23:04] <emil_> reinstalled GIMP
[23:04] <ghostcube> you tried with a new user ?
[23:05] <emil_> restarted a PC (5 times in different configs)
[23:05] <emil_> still the same
[23:05] <ghostcube> or just set session management to start a blank kde session
[23:05] <emil_> hmm
[23:05] <emil_> no
[23:05] <emil_> good point
[23:05] <emil_> I hope these are local settings gone wrong
[23:06] <emil_> cheers ghostcube!
[23:06] <emil_> I'll certainly try it
[23:06] <ghostcube> try if a blank session works first before adding new user
[23:06] <emil_> now I need to go to sleep
[23:07] <emil_> thanks guys for all your help!
[23:07] <mefisto__> gimp won't open urls for me on kubuntu
[23:07] <emil_> CU
[23:07] <emil_> URLs?
[23:07] <emil_> :)
[23:07] <mefisto__> file, open location...
[23:07] <emil_> ah
[23:07] <krom> gimp can use gnome vfs
[23:08] <mefisto__> krom: but it won't install on kubuntu
[23:08] <emil_> never tried this feature
[23:08] <krom> yes
[23:08] <emil_> ping
[23:08] <mefisto__> but I can copy image from browser, then just paste in gimp :)
[23:08] <krom> kde applications can use kio
[23:09] <krom> it's simulare gnome vfs but gimp is not kde application
[23:10] <mefisto__> gimp-libcurl used to work, in gutsy I think
[23:16] <cjae> !krdp
[23:16] <cjae> !krdc
[23:16] <mefisto__> !info krdp
[23:17] <mefisto__> !info krdc
[23:18] <cjae> mefisto__: I ve used vnc and all that before but its been a long time, my sister is home and by the phone she is unfirewalled too btw I should just be able to use kdrc to login into her box
[23:18] <cjae> she needs some stuff installed
[23:19] <cjae> does kdrc use encryption?
[23:19] <cjae> or so I have to get her to enable ssh?
[23:19] <somenick__> hi
[23:20] <mefisto__> cjae: I've only ever played with it on a local network, one time. sorry I can't help
[23:21] <alexei> HI, in firefox if I specify both HTTP and SOCKS proxy it seems to do HTTP directly and not over SOCKS? Is this a bug or a feature?
[23:21] <cjae> mefisto__: thanks anyway, its very hard to get ppl to help cause they always think your up to no good
[23:34] <jimdb> shhhh
[23:34] <jimdb> anyone alive in here?
[23:39] <_2> i can't get kcontrol to go to admin mode. it loops back to the welcome page.
[23:41] <_2> error message is "the kde libraries are not designed to run with suid privledges"
[23:41] <mefisto__> !info krfb
[23:41] <_2> would that be refering to /usr/bin/kdesu_stub  ???
[23:42] <mefisto__> _2: try kdesudo kcontrol
[23:43] <_2> mefisto__ there is no kdesudo  kdesu works
[23:43] <mefisto__> gutsy?
[23:43] <_2> but kdesu_stub doesn't   as far as i can tell.
[23:43] <_2> dapper
[23:43] <mefisto__> ok
[23:44] <mefisto__> so kdesu kcontrol doesn't work?
[23:45] <usuario> hello
[23:45] <angeline> hi
[23:46] <_2> mefisto__ sudo kcontrol does.  that will work around the problem   but i was trying to get the admin button in kcontrol to work.    not just bypass it.
[23:51] <mefisto__> !sudo
[23:51] <mefisto__> !kdesudo
[23:51] <mefisto__> _2: look at that last link. you shouldn't be using sudo for graphical apps
[23:53] <_2> mefisto__ i shouldn't be using sudo.   but thanks just the same.
[23:55] <_2> krap.  still not printing.
[23:55] <mefisto__> _2: have you tried kcmshell <modulename> to start individual kcontrol modules?
[23:56] <_2> mefisto__ nah   but the fact that i use blackbox might have something to do with it.
[23:56] <_2> when i use a gui
[23:57] <mefisto__> eg, kcmshell printers
[23:57] <_2> err i'm  >| |< this close to reinstalling cupsys
[23:58] <mefisto__> is the administrator button dimmed out?
[23:58] <_2> nope
[23:58] <_2> it just fails.