[00:26] <setuid> When did Linux start requiring a GUI and a logged-in user to start networking? Did I miss a meeting on this?
[00:26] <setuid> I need wireless to start up when the machine boots, regardless of whether or not a GUI is installed, running or a user is logged in. How can I do that?
[00:26] <Amaranth> setuid: NetworkManager is doing it, not "the computer"
[00:26] <setuid> This "used to" work, but has since been removed over the last 2 releases of Ubuntu
[00:27] <Amaranth> I think the answer is "use the new gdm where NetworkManager will run and get you connected"
[00:27] <setuid> Amaranth, Ok, so how do I neuter NetworkManager, and get networking back the way it was before?
[00:27] <Amaranth> Still requires a GUI but...
[00:27] <Amaranth> setuid: edit /etc/network/interfaces to setup your network
[00:27] <setuid> Amaranth, gdm no longer works in Intrepid or Jaunty, I'm stuck booting to CLI, and using startx.
[00:27] <maxb> NetworkManager does not require a logged in user
[00:28] <setuid> If I try to start gdm, it just tries to reload X a bunch of times, and defaults to some very basic level of capability (320x480 or something)
[00:28] <maxb> Log in, edit the connection, and set it to be a system-wide one
[00:28] <setuid> Ok, let me try that
[00:28] <setuid> This all used to work cleanly with wpa_supplicant
[00:29] <maxb> setuid: You're free to abandon NM and use wpa_supplicant if you wnat
[00:29] <setuid> I also noticed that Intrepid runs my T61p a *LOT* hotter than Hardy did, which causes the physical hardware to hard-lock a dozen times a day.
[00:29] <setuid> If I pull the Intrepid drive out, put in Hardy (same exact package list installed), it never overheats
[00:30] <setuid> it's pretty maddening when I've got dozens of apps loaded, to have the laptop just hard-lock on me
[00:30] <setuid> So I have to OC the fan, which makes the system LOUD... just to keep it from overheating under Intrepid
[00:30] <maxb> Interesting, can't say I kept an eye on the temperature hardy vs. intrepid
[00:31] <maxb> This is a channel for Jaunty, btw :-)
[00:31] <setuid> I know
[00:31] <setuid> I was trying Jaunty to see if it was any better than Intrepid
[00:31] <Amaranth> hehe, the apply button in Edit Connections doesn't work
[00:31] <setuid> Aside from no sound, wireless, video or WWAN support... it isn't.
[00:31] <Amaranth> so if I tick "Make available to all users" it won't do it because I can't apply the changes
[00:32] <maxb> Yeah - I find I have to mess with another setting (e.g. Connect automatically) before it will be willing to save the change
[00:32] <maxb> setuid: Well, I'm sorry you're suffering so, but my Z61p likes Jaunty just fine
[00:32] <setuid> I've had trouble in Intrepid and Jaunty with the sierra driver... never comes out of suspend. Hardy's version works fine, however.
[00:32] <maxb> What's a sierra?
[00:33] <setuid> seems like we've de-evolved though, from Hardy (rock-solid, everything worked out of the box), to Intrepid (trouble with video and wireless) to Jaunty (almost nothing works right)
[00:33] <setuid> sierra is my onboard WWAN card.. not wifi, but the wirleess broadband card.
[00:33] <maxb> setuid: You're moaning a little too aggressively to generate sympathy
[00:33] <Amaranth> maxb: Nope, the problem is it wants to use PolicyKit for the all users setting but seems to be failing
[00:33] <setuid> If I suspend (Intrepid or Jaunty), and resume... wifi comes back, but sierra does not. Requires a power off, power on (not just a reboot)
[00:34] <maxb> Amaranth: different bug, I guess
[00:34] <Amaranth> maxb: Doesn't matter what else I change, once I change that setting I can't apply
[00:34] <Amaranth> yeah
[00:51] <maxb> Today's updates have caused all my compiz window decorations (title bars, etc.) to turn into a featureless light grey, anyone else seeing this?
[00:56] <crdlb> yes, everyone is setting that
[01:17] <Amaranth> maxb: downgrade metacity
[01:20] <gourgi> or just use emerald :D
[01:23] <Amaranth> gourgi: Yeah, say that again in 6 months :P
[01:24] <Amaranth> (emerald is going away)
[01:24] <gourgi> Amaranth in six months i'll say "or just use jasper" :-P
[01:24] <RAOF> Amaranth: Is that emerald not being ported to compiz++, or you writing a shiny new lecacyless decorator? :P
[01:24] <Amaranth> RAOF: emerald is not being ported
[01:24] <Amaranth> and jasper is kind of dead too (and probably not the way to go)
[01:25] <gourgi> Amaranth that's not what i 've heard about jasper ;)  http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/woah-what/
[01:26] <crdlb> heh -_-
[01:26] <Amaranth> gourgi: that really means nothing
[01:27] <Amaranth> gourgi: that's "hopefully this happens"
[01:27] <gourgi> so it is something
[01:27] <Amaranth> gourgi: You should really ignore that
[01:27] <crdlb> you could make a blog and it would have just as much importance
[01:28] <syockit> no, it ain't gonna kill you
[01:29] <syockit> but merging compiz++ is pure destruction!
[01:29] <Amaranth> The jasper code base might be a good place to pull stuff from when doing a different decorator
[01:30] <maxb> Amaranth: metacity is fine for me... compiz isn't
[01:30] <gourgi> i thought sam was talking as part of the compiz developers not just expressing his own points
[01:31] <gourgi> anyway Amaranth will talk about it in six months :)
[01:31] <Amaranth> gourgi: The point is no one is working on jasper so whatever he says is kind of...yeah
[01:31] <gourgi> true
[01:33] <gourgi> it was the first thing i asked myself when i heard the news about the future of compiz " what about emerald?" i hope someone will give emerald/jasper some love too ...
[01:34] <unixdawg> ?
[01:34] <unixdawg> whats happening to compiz ?
[01:34] <gourgi> unixdawg Planet Compiz Fusion
[01:34] <gourgi>  there are several posts there
[01:35] <gourgi> http://planet.compiz-fusion.org/
[02:13] <maxb> Compiz/Metacity titlebar malfunction is at Bug 327861
[02:15] <kazagistar> wow, the bleeding edge is FUN!
[02:16] <kazagistar> is it normal for alphas to grow slowly more broken as time goes on?
[02:17] <maxb> No, it's normal for alpha to grow differently broken as time goes on :-)
[02:17] <crdlb> I would say that's perfectly reasonable, as new upstream versions are not always introduced at the beginning of the development cycle
[02:17] <syockit> kazagistar: i guess so. it's always like normal breakage on a1,2, then more breakage on a3,4, then superbreakage on a5!!
[02:18] <kazagistar> I can't log in through normal boot (only rescue works) the window decorator stopped drawing, and just now, Gnome-do decided to quit after every command I give it (kinda defeating the point) :D
[02:18] <syockit> then suddenly everything becomes fine again on beta
[02:18] <kazagistar> haha
[02:18] <kazagistar> the great thing is, it is all perfectly useable
[02:18] <syockit> kazagistar: your kernel/xorg update, maybe?
[02:18] <kazagistar> maybe
[02:19] <kazagistar> but, I just use rescue, and then hit continue boot, and it load fine
[02:19] <kazagistar> plus, when I ctl-alt-f1, the screen stays blank
[02:20] <kazagistar> it is something with display... it all works, I just cannot see it if I use default boot
[02:21] <kazagistar> does that sound like xorg? if so, I will report it, but I thought tty was separate from xorg
[02:21] <kazagistar> it seems kernel related to me
[02:22] <syockit> kazagistar: ahh, I remember there's something with putty not running at startup... a rare case, that was
[02:22] <kazagistar> um... the thing is, it still works... I can log out, and execute commands
[02:23] <DPic> so adobe released flash for 64-bit linux, but is that what's included in jaunty or does it still just use the 32-bit version?
[02:25] <kazagistar> i dunno, but it looks from bugtracker like it does?
[02:25] <kazagistar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/310031
[02:27] <DPic> when i installed flash it said it also needed nspluginwrapper
[02:27] <DPic> is there a way i can tell which version of flash i have?
[02:27] <legodude> ugh, jaunty really hates my desktop
[02:27] <legodude> now KDE will load, with no plasma, desktop, anything
[02:27] <DPic> lol really? it's been working great for me
[02:28] <DPic> oh i'm using gnome
[02:28] <legodude> total fail
[02:28] <DPic> yeah i tried KDE and it failed on me so i decided to give up for a couple weeks
[02:28] <kazagistar> I guess mine works
[02:29] <kazagistar> I can still close windows, I just have to guess where the buttons are, because it isn't rendering decorations
[02:29] <legodude> totally broken
[02:30] <legodude> can't even log out of it
[02:30] <maco> that thing where you get a black screen before gdm comes up. i thought that was supposed to be limited to nvidia users? i'm getting it on intel
[02:30] <kazagistar> I am too
[02:31] <kazagistar> does it also happen if you enter tty?
[02:31] <maco> i cant get to the tty once it does that
[02:31] <legodude> won't detect my other monitor either :(
[02:31] <maco> it kills VT switching
[02:31] <kazagistar> ah, mine doesn't
[02:31] <legodude> yeah, my VT does not work
[02:32] <maco> eh well vt switching has never worked consistently for me
[02:32] <kazagistar> I can't SEE the terminal, but I can still log in and execute commands
[02:32] <maco> for the last 2 weeks it was doing great!
[02:32] <kazagistar> er, that is, in normal login
[02:32] <maco> the last day's updates sent me back to "my TTYs are blank" mode
[02:32] <legodude> I almost wonder if this machine needs to be reinstalled
[02:32] <legodude> that it got sick somewhere along the way
[02:32] <kazagistar> naw
[02:33] <kazagistar> it just needs a quick beta fix :P
[02:33] <legodude> I don't understand though
[02:33] <legodude> it is bog standard
[02:33] <legodude> I am not doing anythign funky on it
[02:33] <legodude> all latest updates
[02:33] <legodude> and KDE is unusable
[02:35] <legodude> KDM login screen is in middle of two monitors now
[02:35] <kazagistar> that sounds like a pretty easily fixable bug
[02:36] <legodude> sure, but that is the least of all of the problems
[02:36] <legodude> I log in, get a bunch of messages about various programs including plasma have crashed
[02:36] <legodude> then a black screen with a cursor
[02:39] <legodude> I think I'm just going to turn it off until the beta
[02:40] <kazagistar> you could hack at you kdeinit file and force it to start xterm or something
[02:41] <legodude> well, it came up with konsole
[02:41] <legodude> but was unusable
[02:41] <legodude> didn't actually show the terminal
[02:41] <kazagistar> ah
[02:42] <unixdawg> ok I have had 4 lockups today
[02:42] <unixdawg> hmmm
[02:42] <legodude> I mean, I understand this is life on the bleeding edge
[02:42] <unixdawg> yes
[02:42] <legodude> but I don't know how these packages can be pushed out if they simply don't work
[02:42] <unixdawg> but the blade is cutting to deep
[02:42] <kazagistar> ...but the edge is decapitating you
[02:42] <kazagistar> :P
[02:42] <Pici> We get bleeding edge packages.  Then we file bugs.  Then we get the bugs fixed.
[02:42] <legodude> like the recent xserver bug
[02:43] <unixdawg> but how can you file a bug when your whole system locks up and there is nothing in the log to explain why
[02:44] <kazagistar> and no common thread?
[02:47] <DPic> ubuntu should have a repo of extra themes and stuff
[02:47] <DPic> just sayin'
[02:50] <DPic> kazagistar, you could write it by hand and mail it in!
[02:50] <|ns|nR8> someone tell me why ubuntu needs to send packets to 224.0.0.251
[02:52] <legodude> isn't that non-routed?
[02:52] <legodude> nope
[02:53] <legodude> nm
[02:53] <d1b> isn't that the multicast ?
[02:53] <d1b> i suppose it is avahi
[02:53] <|ns|nR8> yeah its multicast
[02:53] <|ns|nR8> i notice windows does it aswell
[02:54] <d1b> |ns|nR8: where ? haven't seen windows do it much
[02:54] <d1b> unless you have installed bonjour ...
[02:54] <legodude> ah, multicast
[02:54] <|ns|nR8> it sends to a multicast address when your network connection first goes up
[02:54] <legodude> knew it was some magic
[02:54] <|ns|nR8> not sure if its the exact same adress
[02:55] <|ns|nR8> i was running a packet sniffer over ppp on windows
[02:55] <|ns|nR8> soon as dialup connects it sends to all routers multicast or something
[02:56] <|ns|nR8> googling has lots of people with the same question
[02:56] <|ns|nR8> but no one has a real answer
[02:59] <|ns|nR8> hmm i think i found some answers
[02:59] <|ns|nR8> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_DNS
[03:01] <|ns|nR8> now i just wonna know how to turn it off
[03:16] <maco> d1b: bonjour is only on mac
[03:17] <maco> so yeah, itd be avahi on linux
[03:17] <maco> i thought multicast was all terribly broken on ipv4 though
[03:20] <d1b> maco: no you can use bonjour on windows
[03:20] <d1b> see apple
[03:21] <maco> huh?
[03:21] <d1b> http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows
[03:21] <maco> yes, apple makes bonjour, but i thought that client was only for osx
[03:21] <d1b> it exists
[03:21] <maco> weird
[03:21] <d1b> notreally
[03:22] <cwillu> drat, suspend is broken again
[03:23] <syockit> maco: you must have forgotten all the ruckus apple caused the windows iTunes update some months ago
[03:23] <maco> syockit: no, i knew about that. i didnt think they sent bonjour with it though
[03:24] <syockit> maco: yup they did. evil apple ;)
[03:24] <maco> er, at least, assuming you mean the "if you install quicktime, we force you to get itunes, and if you install that, we force you to get safari"
[03:24] <syockit> maco: no, it was the apple updater
[03:25] <maco> right if you install any updates, they force that crap on your
[03:25] <maco> cant update quicktime without getting itunes, period
[03:25] <syockit> maco: there was an update for the updater, and the updater tries to install bonjour when updating itunes
[03:25] <maco> safari might be optional...
[03:25] <maco> oh
[03:25] <syockit> everything was optional, but nowadays optional seems to mean default
[03:31] <kazagistar> obnoxious browser-pushing defaults differ from wise paternalistic defaults
[03:32] <kazagistar> like, if it only installed Safari by default if IE was the only detected browser, that would be just fine by me :)
[03:35] <d1b> syockit: neat i like bonjour
[03:35] <syockit> what does it do anyway
[03:36] <maco> syockit: service auto-discovery
[03:36] <maco> it can tell you "hey, this LAN includes a printer and a set of speakrs!"
[03:37] <maco> and autoconfig the wireless printer and let you automagically play your music through the house speakers
[03:38] <syockit> hmm? how is that supposed to work with windows
[03:38] <syockit> it seems os-centric
[03:38] <syockit> oic, all the apps who knows it will use it
[03:39] <maco> yeah im not sure how auto-config it can get on a system like windows
[03:39] <maco> but you can tell windows media player "hey, go play through the LAN speakers instead of the onboard ones"
[03:39] <syockit> "A full installation of Bonjour for Windows will include a plug-in for Internet Explorer, a printer wizard and the network communication services."
[04:40] <andrew__> i upgraded to 9.04 and now i have no minimize/maximize/close buttons on my gnome windows
[04:40] <andrew__> any ideas
[04:40] <andrew__> its just one grey bar
[04:40] <andrew__> not even the orange human color
[04:40] <andrew__> everything eelse seems ok
[04:41] <RAOF> That's the new metacity messing with Compiz.
[04:42] <SwedeMike> I have the same problem with a fresh 9.04, so it seems to be a common problem
[04:43] <maco> RAOF: why are *both* running?
[04:44] <RAOF> They're not; this is (IIUC) a change in libmetacity; gtk-window-decorator uses libmetacity to draw metacity themes, and doesn't like the change.
[04:44] <crdlb> by metacity, he means libmetacity-private
[04:47] <maco> oh
[04:48] <crdlb> RAOF: hey, you're smart; why is gwd creating a new colormap in create_pixmap? :D
[04:49] <RAOF> crdlb: Because it'd like a colourmap with an alpha channel?
[04:49] <Amaranth> bingo
[04:49] <crdlb> gdk_screen_get_rgba_colormap?
[04:50] <RAOF> SCORE!  What a guess.  I've never even read any of the gwd code :)
[04:50] <crdlb> I mean, isn't it perfectly adequate to use that function?
[04:51] <crdlb> that's what's upsetting metacity (creating a new one with gdk_colormap_new)
[04:52] <tarheelcoxn> could someone please point me to the most appropriate channel to ask questions about using PPA?
[04:52] <maco> tarheelcoxn: #launchpad
[04:52] <tarheelcoxn> maco: thank you
[04:53] <Amaranth> crdlb: Is that new?
[04:55] <crdlb> the gdk_colormap_new has been there forever
[04:56] <RAOF> gdk_screen_get_rgba_colormap is newish, I believe.
[04:57] <RAOF> gwd probably predates it.
[04:57] <crdlb> 2.8
[04:58] <crdlb> and gwd already uses that function in a couple of places
[04:58]  * RAOF has got nothing
[04:59] <crdlb> well, it definitely works when I change it to set the colormap of the pixmap to that of the style window (which has already been made rgba via that function)
[05:31] <tarheelcoxn> perhaps somebody here knows offhand since #launchpad seems to be dead... <https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Copying packages> points to <https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive/+copy-packages>
[05:31] <tarheelcoxn> but the latter is not a valid page
[06:08] <DanaG> grr:
[06:08] <DanaG> (EE) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device has changed - disabling.
[06:08] <DanaG> Lovely.
[06:08] <DanaG> Makes me have to SAK Xorg.
[06:13] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/267495
[06:13] <DanaG> Same happens for me.
[06:13] <DanaG> Completely different laptop.
[06:22] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/325560
[06:22] <DanaG> er
[06:22] <DanaG> er
[06:22] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[06:22] <FFForever> what is a good ffpeg movie player?
[06:23] <FFForever> DanaG, can i turn the lights off on the media panel on hp notebooks
[06:26] <DanaG> I don't think you can.
[06:26] <FFForever> cool
[06:26] <FFForever> any idea about an ffmpeg/ffplayer that is better then ffplayer?
[06:26] <FFForever> (with a seeker?)
[06:30] <DanaG> I use mplayer, myself.
[06:30] <DanaG> I don't know anything about ffmpeg.
[06:30] <RAOF> mplayer uses ffmpeg.
[06:30] <RAOF> I tend to use Totem, myself :)
[06:34] <DanaG> Odd..... the HAL fdi file for the HP laptop maps e008 to "presentation" -- which is an invalid key name.
[06:35] <DanaG> running strings on the hald-addon-input gives no such string.
[06:36] <FFForever> mplayer won't play this mkv =P
[06:39] <DanaG> ugh, this "flat volumes" misfeature is really stupid.
[06:40] <DanaG> If only one app is playing audio, then the indicated volume of the stream matches the indicated volume of the device....
[06:40] <DanaG> ... and if you move the stream, it arbitrarily changes to match the other device.
[07:37] <cwillu> btw, anyone with decoration issues, if you don't already have a workaround, "compiz-decorator --replace --theme blah"
[07:38] <cwillu> --metacity-theme blah, rather
[07:41] <crdlb> what happens if you do that, exactly?
[07:41] <crdlb> (I don't want to rebreak my gwd to test)
[07:43] <cwillu> crdlb, you know the default compiz window theme?  It'll just fallback to that
[07:44] <cwillu> probably a more direct way of achieving that, and it's not even close to a fix, but I don't feel like patching gwd myself, so it'll do until the fix finds its way in :p
[07:49] <crdlb> cwillu: ah, I see
[07:49] <crdlb> there's also a gconf key
[07:51] <cwillu> crdlb, bug #327793 if you haven't seen that already
[07:52] <crdlb> yah
[07:52]  * cwillu pokes crdlb and his patch with a stick in the general direction of the comment field :p
[07:52] <crdlb> it didn't occur to me that using a bogus theme name would actually disable metacity theme rendering
[07:53] <crdlb> cwillu: upstream :>
[07:53]  * cwillu pokes crdlb with a stick in the general direction of the 'link to upstream bug' field
[07:54]  * cwillu huggles his poking-stick
[07:54]  * crdlb nurses his bruises
[07:56] <digger3> I've got greyish border surrounding my windows when enabling compiz. Maximize buttons etc are responsive though. intel X4500, any tips on where to look for a fix?
[07:56] <crdlb> heh
[07:58]  * cwillu hits rewind for a moment, and hits play
[07:58] <cwillu> """btw, anyone with decoration issues, if you don't already have a workaround, "compiz-decorator --replace --theme blah""""
[07:58] <cwillu> """--metacity-theme blah, rather"""
[07:58]  * cwillu hits stop
[07:58] <cwillu> digger3, in a terminal, run:  compiz-decorator --replace --metacity-theme blah
[07:59] <cwillu> digger3, as a workaround
[07:59] <cwillu> digger3, https://launchpad.net/bugs/327793
[07:59] <crdlb> what if he has a theme installed called 'blah'!?
[08:00] <cwillu> crdlb, then he's silly, and we can't believe a word he says
[08:00]  * cwillu pokes crdlb with a stick
[08:01] <digger3> cwillu: thanks, I was looking using the wrong search terms :)
[08:07] <digger3> cwillu: hmmm, your suggestion only works when I specify some non-existing theme. If I try to load clearlooks (for example) the problem remains.
[08:07] <crdlb> yes, that's the point
[08:08] <crdlb> the metacity theme rendering support is broken, so, by specifying a non-existent theme, the default "cairo" theme is used
[08:08] <digger3> crdlb: ah, ok, I tried to fullin the blah part, but it was meant litteraly :) nm then
[08:08] <digger3> I did not understand the underlying cause
[08:14] <zniavre> hello
[08:15] <zniavre> i heard about this project>http://www.clutter-project.org/
[08:15] <zniavre> is it yet inclued in metacity ?
[08:15] <cwillu> digger3, had I meant 'blah' as a meta variable, I'd have said <blah> :p
[08:15] <zniavre> included *
[08:17] <crdlb> zniavre: no
[08:21] <nurettin> hello
[08:22] <nurettin> tsclient locking screen how can i resolve this ?
[08:57] <DanaG> What a hideous hack: I got fglrx to work by downgrading X server yet again... and then switching to the XFCE session manager.
[08:57] <DanaG> ... and then running everything Gnome under it.  =P
[09:08] <cwillu> crdlb, has anyone ever asked you why you're named after a carriage return database with an extra 'l'?
[09:09] <DanaG> carriage return database?  means nothing to me.  Seems like two completely unrelated things smacked together.
[09:09] <crdlb> yes, you did just now
[09:10] <DanaG> Yay, I have-eth my Compiz back.
[09:10] <cwillu> honestly, that's how I've always read your nick as far back as I can remember
[09:10] <DanaG> Quite very hackishly.
[09:10] <cwillu> only noticed the 'l' just now
[09:10] <crdlb> not using a monspace font? :)
[09:10] <crdlb> monospace*
[09:11] <cwillu> monospace fonts, how ugly
[09:11]  * cwillu likes his typography
[09:12] <crdlb> but that breaks figlet and cowsay!
[09:12] <DanaG> And sl.
[09:12] <DanaG> !info sl
[09:13] <cwillu> silly trains
[09:13] <DanaG> while (sl -e); do sl -le; done
[09:13] <cwillu> your shell?
[09:14] <DanaG> bash.
[09:14] <cwillu> not that bash script?
[09:14] <DanaG> huh?
[09:14] <DanaG> Not sure I get the question.
[09:14] <cwillu> #!/bin/bash\nwhile (sl -e); do sl -le; done
[09:15] <crdlb> I don't think too many people use a proportional font in a terminal
[09:15] <DanaG> Nah, I just ran that line manually.
[09:16] <crdlb> lol at the bugs section of the manpage
[09:20] <DanaG> I wonder if that's true.
[10:41] <virtuelv> did decorations in compiz just break
[10:41] <virtuelv> ?
[10:41] <virtuelv> (As in, they are there, but are always grey on grey for me)
[10:41] <cwillu> virtuelv, https://launchpad.net/bugs/327793
[10:42] <cwillu> workaround:  compiz-decorator --replace --metacity-theme blah
[10:42] <cwillu> (literally, blah, doesn't matter what you put there as long as it _isn't_ a valid theme)
[10:44] <virtuelv> I guess I can live with that fix for now
[10:45] <virtuelv> what seems positive after this morning's update, is that intel+xorg+compiz no longer equals "slow"
[10:46] <mnemo> virtuelv: that bug only happens after vt-switch, suspend/resume or after xorg has been running for a long time usually
[10:46] <mnemo> i dont think it's fixed
[10:46] <virtuelv> hmph
[10:47] <mnemo> virtuelv: the third patch proposed for it seems to improve the situtation though, but that patch hasnt been commit to ubuntu yet --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/320813
[10:47] <virtuelv> dunno what's different today then, but compiz has been OK for me so far today, which is quite unlike what I've experiencing any other day when coming in to work
[10:47] <cwillu> virtuelv, there's another bug with 945's+gem, if that's what you're seeing, there's a few workarounds.  There may even be a fix :p
[10:48] <virtuelv>  product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[12:09] <mnemo> is the release after jaunty going to be a long term support release??
[12:10] <SwedeMike> no, it's only the .04 releases that are LTS
[12:11] <mnemo> but jaunty isnt LTS right?
[12:11]  * Assid waits patiently to use up his net connection
[12:11] <Assid> cmon man.. im itching to use my network
[12:13] <SwedeMike> corret, 9.04 isn't LTS
[12:13] <SwedeMike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy_Heron#Ubuntu_8.04_LTS_.28Hardy_Heron.29
[12:13] <SwedeMike> 6.06 and 8.04 is LTS, so I guess 10.04 will be LTS again
[12:15] <mnemo> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
[12:15] <mnemo> "we can commit that the next LTS release of Ubuntu will be 10.04 LTS, in April 2010."
[12:17] <Assid> in all honesty. i ust want a new release so i can stretch my bandwith
[12:17] <Assid> :P
[13:34] <zniavre> !compiz
[14:41] <eXlin> I have problems to do anything with jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso disk (burned in tao mode). I cant do anything (install, livecd, check cd...) without that i goes to BusyBox. i hava alpha4. my hardware is Athlon 64 3000+, 2Gb, 200G maxtor ata, nvidia 6600 256Mt....
[14:42] <eXlin> any suggestions why it wont work? i tryed safe graphics mode. i checked few files and they all matched to md5 checks
[14:47] <charlie-tca> eXlin: I would ask that in #ubuntu+1, maybe. They deal with jaunty
[14:48] <eXlin> eh, istn this ubuntu+1?
[14:48] <Assid> charlie-tca:  stopdrinking!!!
[14:52] <charlie-tca> Me just waking up. Sorry for the bad information
[15:04] <eXlin> So any suggestion what could cause that installation problem in jaunty-amd64?
[15:06] <ikonia> eXlin: burn it with a supported application ?
[15:07] <eXlin> k3b
[15:07] <ikonia> run the verification check on the cd ?
[15:07] <ikonia> check the md5's on the image before you burn ?
[15:08] <eXlin> but i mean, it boots from that disk, gives start navigation and i checked few random files after burn and their md5 was correct. and .iso image has correct md5
[15:09] <eXlin> it gives graphical loading window of ubuntu but falls to BusyBox
[15:09] <ikonia> do the checks I suggested first
[15:09] <ikonia> just because it boots does not mean it's fine
[15:10] <eXlin> can run verification check on the cd because it goes to BusyBox also
[15:11] <eXlin> and i have done md5 check to image on my hd
[15:11] <eXlin> burned it to cd-rw. didnt validate burned data but it rarely fails
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Is that running the "Install Ubuntu" directly or through the desktop after running the liveCD?
[15:12] <ikonia> eXlin: if that goes to busy box the cd has a problem
[15:12] <ikonia> eXlin: that's %100 run in memory
[15:12] <eXlin> ok
[15:13] <eXlin> hmm... well i am doing usb-installation image atm so maybe that will help on that
[15:13] <eXlin> ok, well i reboot now. thx so far ;)
[15:26] <danbhfive> !schedule
[15:38] <thehook> any news about the nvidia driver?
[15:40] <ikonia> in what respect
[16:41] <cypherdelic> hello, can somebody please prove me wrong that gnome-calculator can't calculate 2,54*1680 or even 2,54 *3 ???
[16:42] <cwillu> cypherdelic, as in 2.54?
[16:42] <cwillu> 4267.2?
[16:42] <cwillu> works for me
[16:42] <charlie-tca> 4267.2 here
[16:42] <cypherdelic> wait i get a ridicolus products when multiplying inch
[16:42] <cwillu> inch?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Mine doesn't have inch
[16:44] <cypherdelic> 2,54*3=762 ; yes inch (2,54cm) ; 2,54*1680=42672
[16:44] <cwillu> cypherdelic, gnome calc doesn't have unit conversions that I know of
[16:44] <cypherdelic> I use the unit as i input *2,54 ;)
[16:44] <cwillu> cypherdelic, your locale may not be set right, in which case you'd need 2.54
[16:44] <charlie-tca> But perhaps it is because it calculates in tenths, and inches are usually measured in eighths or sixteenths
[16:44] <cypherdelic> cwillu: I clicked onKommatar
[16:45] <cwillu> cypherdelic, no idea, works fine for me though
[16:45] <cypherdelic> i just want to calc 2,54*3 ok and i dont get the correct procuct
[16:45] <cwillu> 762 or 7.62?
[16:45] <bluesmoke> cypherdelic: try 2.54*3
[16:45] <cypherdelic> my result is 762 :(
[16:46] <bluesmoke> just like that
[16:46] <cypherdelic> when i just calc 2,5 *3 it is correct :(
[16:46] <cwillu> cypherdelic, is the ',' actually showing up when you type it?
[16:46] <cypherdelic> i dont type it i clicked it in the gui, yes it is shown :/
[16:46] <cypherdelic> its just the result is wrong
[16:47] <cypherdelic> when floating point goes finer than x,x
[16:47] <cypherdelic> i just upgraded to jaunty
[16:48] <cypherdelic> should ill file a bug report or should i wait, has anyone got a solution or similar problem?
[16:48] <cwillu> none of us see the problem :(
[16:49] <cwillu> ya, file the bug
[16:49] <cwillu> (hell, file the bug first, worst case, somebody answers immediately, and google records it for the next person)
[16:49] <cypherdelic> you want to see it, i can make a screenshot of how i input it graphically and clicked on =
[16:49] <cypherdelic> showing the result
[16:49] <cwillu> file the bug
[16:50] <cwillu> include the screenshots :)
[16:50] <cypherdelic> ill try it via console and look for any output
[16:52] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalctool/+bug/324451 is the closest I can find, but it's dropping a zero, not dropping a decimal point
[16:56] <cypherdelic> no console-output even with -D -E, and no correct result with -a 9; still 2,54 * 1680 = 42672 :(
[16:56] <cwillu> cypherdelic, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalctool/+bug/318300
[16:56] <cypherdelic> hm
[16:56] <cwillu> allow me to express my appreciation for allowing me the opportunity to do your launchpad search for you :p
[16:57] <cypherdelic> ;)
[16:57] <cypherdelic> you're such a nice dude :D
[16:57]  * cwillu pokes cypherdelic with a pointy stick
[16:58] <cypherdelic> mine version is to old i guess
[16:58] <cypherdelic> yap
[17:00]  * cwillu cheers, his window decorations are back!
[17:02] <cypherdelic> damn 5.25.91 is not available in jaunty yet due fix was released yesterday
[17:02] <cypherdelic> :(
[17:03] <cwillu> the fix was released upstream.  Give it some time :p
[17:03] <cwillu> they're not going to apply the fix directly here, and then back it out in two days when the upstream package is synced
[17:04] <cypherdelic> can somebody calc something for me?
[17:04] <cypherdelic> :D
[17:04] <cypherdelic> just a joke
[17:07] <cwillu> cypherdelic, 42
[17:07] <cwillu> cypherdelic, could just use a python prompt though
[17:07] <cwillu> (python, and then regular math)
[17:24] <asdfs> Anyone else getting this when trying to check the calendar in intrepid? evolution: /build/buildd/libical-0.43/src/libical/icalerror.c:106: icalerror_set_errno: Assertion `0' failed.
[17:27] <ethana2> anybody here have gconf-editor installed on Jaunty that could tell me if it can edit <schema>s?
[17:29] <fosco__> ethana2, don't understand
[17:29] <cypherdelic> Has anybody experienced choppy audio especially the login-sound?
[17:30]  * charlie-tca forgets to turn the speakers on
[17:32] <asdfs> cypherdelic: indeed
[17:34] <cypherdelic> at least pidgin sound is not choppy, hmm totem played videos laggy.
[17:34] <christophsturm> hey, what desktop search engine does kubuntu jaunty use?
[17:34] <cypherdelic> vlc is crapped :D
[17:34] <cypherdelic> damn
[17:35] <maco> christophsturm: er...strigi?
[17:35] <maco> i think?
[17:36] <christophsturm> ok, just wanted to check that it doesnt use tracker instead of strigi before I try to find out why search doesnt work
[17:38] <maco> no, tracker's a gnome thing, pretty sure
[17:47] <ethana2> fosco_: usually when one opens gconf-editor, they can edit all kinds of variables
[17:47] <ethana2> but there are these <schema> values that you just can't do anything with
[17:48] <Turl> hi there
[17:48] <Turl> can you help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328156 ?
[17:49] <Turl> this is a regression from intrepid
[18:06] <askand> Is anyone here able to start evolution and click on the calendar?
[18:07] <marijus> askand: me yes...
[18:08] <Turl> anyone experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/328156 ?
[18:51] <Bipolar> I'm just curious... has anyone else had an issue with the KDE desktop not comming up after a login? The splashscreen disapears and I'm left with a mouse cursor, and nothing else.
[18:52] <Bipolar> It's been like this for a few days. I keep hoping the next set up updates will magicly fix it. :P
[18:56] <maco> Bipolar: turn off compositing
[18:56] <maco> compiz and kwin-with-compositing are doing that
[18:56] <Bipolar> maco: ahh... ok. just uninstall the package?
[18:57] <maco> no
[18:58] <maco> lemme find the setting...
[18:58] <Bipolar> maco: thank you :)
[18:58] <maco> in ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[18:58] <maco> in the [Compositing] section
[18:58] <maco> set Enabled=false
[18:59] <maco> i *think* you should be able to login then
[18:59] <Bipolar> awesome. thanks!
[18:59] <Bipolar> I'll give it a shot as soon as the updates are done.
[18:59] <maco> Bipolar: i havent actually tried it, but its the most logical setting in the most logical config file :P
[18:59] <Bipolar> heh.. ok.
[19:13] <Bipolar> maco: interesting.... I added the section and the setting, and kde came up. then I reenabled it, and it still works.
[19:14] <maco> Bipolar: oh yeah it just hangs the login. its fine after that
[19:14] <maco> Bipolar: disable it before you log out again :P
[19:16] <Bipolar> nono, I mean I enabled it, then logged in again.
[19:16] <Bipolar> there are still issues though.
[19:16] <Bipolar> somehow half my desktop is black. :P
[19:17] <Bipolar> oh well. I'll disable it again :)
[19:17] <maco> O_o
[19:20] <Bipolar> yeah. odd
[19:24] <Bipolar> Wow... look at all the work thats been done on the networkmanager. holy crap.
[19:25] <Aondo> Bipolar  what stuff?
[19:27] <Bipolar> Aondo: all the settings for connections. Setting MAC addresss for wired connection. Too much to list.
[19:28] <Bipolar> The layout is much simpler too
[20:09] <gwhip> need help! upgraded about 2 hours ago and no nvidia driver now
[20:21] <rainmanp7> .
[20:22] <rainmanp7> Anyone using Alpha4 ?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> If you are running Jaunty and updating, you went past it, but the answer is sure.
[20:34] <charlie-tca> rainmanp7: this channel is users running jaunty
[20:34] <rainmanp7> yes
[20:34] <rainmanp7> What level ius jaunty at right now because I got lost by a huge update
[20:35] <charlie-tca> between alpha4 and 5
[20:35] <charlie-tca> the updates the last couple of days have been difficult
[20:35] <rainmanp7> I love jaunty and want to help lol but scared of the Alphas lol
[20:35] <rainmanp7> I mean there still massive >?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> will be for a while... It is still alpha
[20:36] <rainmanp7> ok
[20:36] <rainmanp7> they need to put a option in there to switch sound devices from usb to onboard etc..
[20:37] <rainmanp7> You think they might shoot for btrfs ?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> That should be in your bios, shouldn't it?
[20:37] <rainmanp7> I will be willing to sacrifice a hard drive to it :)
[20:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know btrfs
[20:38] <rainmanp7> No the operating system knows there are 2 sound devices it depedns on the operating system of wich to play from
[20:38] <bacaci|work> hi
[20:38] <bacaci|work> I'm starting an instance on EC2 and I noticed the jaunty release
[20:39] <bacaci|work> How stable is it?
[20:39] <rainmanp7> Btrfs Is a file system the fedora is including into there Alpha 11 thing I'm hoping that the jaunty will have it (please)
[20:39] <rainmanp7> Alphas are crazy :)
[20:40] <charlie-tca> !topic | bacaci|work
[20:41] <bacaci|work> sry
[20:41] <charlie-tca> rainmanp7: I haven't seen anything about it
[20:41] <Pici> bacaci|work: I wouldn't reccomend it to anyone that isn't very capabale fixing their own problems :)
[20:41] <bacaci|work> I know a little bit
[20:41] <bacaci|work> however dont have the time
[20:42] <bacaci|work> 8 weeks for this project
[20:42] <bacaci|work> so i'm going to stick with intrepid
[20:42] <Pici> Good idea
[20:43] <rainmanp7> Pici I completely agree :)
[20:43] <rainmanp7> on the whole thing if you try it you better be able to handle things breaking and fix it ya self
[20:52] <rainmanp7> 177 people and growing
[21:03] <duncan-nz> Can someone check something ridiculously easy for me? There's something funny happening with the calculator.
[21:07] <rainmanp7> ok?
[21:08] <duncan-nz> can you tell me what 87.50+87.50 is in your standard gnome calculator?
[21:09] <duncan-nz> rainmanp7, what's your locale?
[21:09] <danbhfive_jaunty> 175
[21:09] <duncan-nz> I'm getting 1750!
[21:10] <duncan-nz> danbhfive_jaunty, what's your locale?
[21:10] <danbhfive_jaunty> i dunno, US?
[21:10] <Tecumseh> I have a strange annoying error on kubuntu jaunty latest alpha. I finally got my display running at a proper resolution with the driver supplied through the hardware drivers panel (nvidia v180). Now the widgets on my screen seem to be restricted to the area of 1024x768 on the upper left side of the screen. My current resolution however is 1280x1024. Anyone noticing simular behaviour?
[21:10] <virtuelv> anyone seen some applications' entries in the window list on all workspaces, even if the app is only visible on one?
[21:10] <virtuelv> started happening after my last update
[21:11] <virtuelv> in particular with xchat
[21:11] <duncan-nz> danbhfive_jaunty, thanks
[21:12] <duncan-nz> virtuelv, sorry, not happening here.
[21:13] <virtuelv> odd, it's just xchat
[21:15] <Z_God> is there a way to get debug symbols of ia32-libs?
[21:31] <Tecumseh> does anyone have a clue for me about the plasma glitches that I have?
[21:55] <andersk> Is it known that ssh-agent (seahorse-agent?  gnome-keyring-agent?) stopped working recently in Jaunty?
[21:55] <andersk> I get "Agent admitted failure to sign using the key." errors when trying to use an SSH key.
[22:12] <maxb> andersk: I got that in intrepid too. I ditched the imitations and went back to good old reliable ssh-agent
[22:55] <Tecumseh> I have a strange annoying error on kubuntu jaunty latest alpha. I finally got my display running at a proper resolution with the driver supplied through the hardware drivers panel (nvidia v180). Now the widgets on my screen seem to be restricted to the area of 1024x768 on the upper left side of the screen. My current resolution however is 1280x1024. Anyone noticing simular behaviour?
[23:07] <Commie_Cary> are the ATI property drivers work with juanty
[23:09] <cwillu> Commie_Cary, not yet that I know
[23:11] <Commie_Cary> cwillu, isnt jaunty xorg 7?
[23:11] <Commie_Cary> X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, or 7.4
[23:11] <Commie_Cary> sccording to ATI
[23:11]  * cwillu checks the release notes
[23:12] <cwillu> """A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha 4. The binary proprietary fglrx driver is not yet supported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it. Users of this driver are encouraged to wait or to switch to the open source -ati driver in the meantime. #308410"""
[23:13] <cwillu> it could be working since alpha4 was released though
[23:13] <cwillu> I just haven't heard anything
[23:14] <RAOF> No; there's not yet a working fglrx driver.
[23:14] <Commie_Cary> X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, or 7.4 <---- from the ati website
[23:14] <Commie_Cary> cwillu,
[23:17] <Commie_Cary> cwillu, according to ATI they support 1:7.4 isnt that what jaunty uses
[23:18] <cwillu> #308410
[23:22] <cwillu> Commie_Cary, this isn't complicated :p  If you have new information, then you have new information, but as far as I know, the packaged driver isn't working yet.  If ati released something today, don't be surprised if you have to wait half a day until it's been updated
[23:23] <Commie_Cary> let me use ndiswrapper and see
[23:23] <cwillu> I'm looking at the changelog of xorg-driver-fglrx, last update was on the 9th
[23:23] <cwillu> ndiswrapper?
[23:26] <Commie_Cary> cwillu, it allows you to "install" a OS onto a disk, your hardrive, etc
[23:27] <RAOF> You're thinking of something that isn't ndiswrapper :)
[23:27] <Commie_Cary> cwillu, according to ati its working so ill try it
[23:27] <Commie_Cary> oh not ndiswrapper
[23:27] <Commie_Cary> why am I thinking that
[23:27] <Commie_Cary> whats it called
[23:28] <Commie_Cary> cwillu, unetbootin
[23:28] <Commie_Cary> :P
[23:43] <lamalex_3> hey, is anyone having a broken ssh latest updates?
[23:44] <lamalex_3> buffer_get_ret: trying to get more bytes 4 than in buffer 0 buffer_get_int: buffer error
[23:44] <lamalex_3> ^^ that's the error I keep getting