[00:26] When did Linux start requiring a GUI and a logged-in user to start networking? Did I miss a meeting on this? [00:26] I need wireless to start up when the machine boots, regardless of whether or not a GUI is installed, running or a user is logged in. How can I do that? [00:26] setuid: NetworkManager is doing it, not "the computer" [00:26] This "used to" work, but has since been removed over the last 2 releases of Ubuntu [00:27] I think the answer is "use the new gdm where NetworkManager will run and get you connected" [00:27] Amaranth, Ok, so how do I neuter NetworkManager, and get networking back the way it was before? [00:27] Still requires a GUI but... [00:27] setuid: edit /etc/network/interfaces to setup your network [00:27] Amaranth, gdm no longer works in Intrepid or Jaunty, I'm stuck booting to CLI, and using startx. [00:27] NetworkManager does not require a logged in user [00:28] If I try to start gdm, it just tries to reload X a bunch of times, and defaults to some very basic level of capability (320x480 or something) [00:28] Log in, edit the connection, and set it to be a system-wide one [00:28] Ok, let me try that [00:28] This all used to work cleanly with wpa_supplicant [00:29] setuid: You're free to abandon NM and use wpa_supplicant if you wnat [00:29] I also noticed that Intrepid runs my T61p a *LOT* hotter than Hardy did, which causes the physical hardware to hard-lock a dozen times a day. [00:29] If I pull the Intrepid drive out, put in Hardy (same exact package list installed), it never overheats [00:30] it's pretty maddening when I've got dozens of apps loaded, to have the laptop just hard-lock on me [00:30] So I have to OC the fan, which makes the system LOUD... just to keep it from overheating under Intrepid [00:30] Interesting, can't say I kept an eye on the temperature hardy vs. intrepid [00:31] This is a channel for Jaunty, btw :-) [00:31] I know [00:31] I was trying Jaunty to see if it was any better than Intrepid [00:31] hehe, the apply button in Edit Connections doesn't work [00:31] Aside from no sound, wireless, video or WWAN support... it isn't. [00:31] so if I tick "Make available to all users" it won't do it because I can't apply the changes [00:32] Yeah - I find I have to mess with another setting (e.g. Connect automatically) before it will be willing to save the change [00:32] setuid: Well, I'm sorry you're suffering so, but my Z61p likes Jaunty just fine [00:32] I've had trouble in Intrepid and Jaunty with the sierra driver... never comes out of suspend. Hardy's version works fine, however. [00:32] What's a sierra? [00:33] seems like we've de-evolved though, from Hardy (rock-solid, everything worked out of the box), to Intrepid (trouble with video and wireless) to Jaunty (almost nothing works right) [00:33] sierra is my onboard WWAN card.. not wifi, but the wirleess broadband card. [00:33] setuid: You're moaning a little too aggressively to generate sympathy [00:33] maxb: Nope, the problem is it wants to use PolicyKit for the all users setting but seems to be failing [00:33] If I suspend (Intrepid or Jaunty), and resume... wifi comes back, but sierra does not. Requires a power off, power on (not just a reboot) [00:34] Amaranth: different bug, I guess [00:34] maxb: Doesn't matter what else I change, once I change that setting I can't apply [00:34] yeah [00:51] Today's updates have caused all my compiz window decorations (title bars, etc.) to turn into a featureless light grey, anyone else seeing this? [00:56] yes, everyone is setting that [01:17] maxb: downgrade metacity [01:20] or just use emerald :D [01:23] gourgi: Yeah, say that again in 6 months :P [01:24] (emerald is going away) [01:24] Amaranth in six months i'll say "or just use jasper" :-P [01:24] Amaranth: Is that emerald not being ported to compiz++, or you writing a shiny new lecacyless decorator? :P [01:24] RAOF: emerald is not being ported [01:24] and jasper is kind of dead too (and probably not the way to go) [01:25] Amaranth that's not what i 've heard about jasper ;) http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/woah-what/ [01:26] heh -_- [01:26] gourgi: that really means nothing [01:27] gourgi: that's "hopefully this happens" [01:27] so it is something [01:27] gourgi: You should really ignore that [01:27] you could make a blog and it would have just as much importance [01:28] no, it ain't gonna kill you [01:29] but merging compiz++ is pure destruction! [01:29] The jasper code base might be a good place to pull stuff from when doing a different decorator [01:30] Amaranth: metacity is fine for me... compiz isn't [01:30] i thought sam was talking as part of the compiz developers not just expressing his own points [01:31] anyway Amaranth will talk about it in six months :) [01:31] gourgi: The point is no one is working on jasper so whatever he says is kind of...yeah [01:31] true [01:33] it was the first thing i asked myself when i heard the news about the future of compiz " what about emerald?" i hope someone will give emerald/jasper some love too ... [01:34] ? [01:34] whats happening to compiz ? [01:34] unixdawg Planet Compiz Fusion [01:34] there are several posts there [01:35] http://planet.compiz-fusion.org/ [02:13] Compiz/Metacity titlebar malfunction is at Bug 327861 [02:13] Launchpad bug 327861 in compiz "compiz no longer decorates the window (solid grey titlebars)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327861 [02:15] wow, the bleeding edge is FUN! [02:16] is it normal for alphas to grow slowly more broken as time goes on? [02:17] No, it's normal for alpha to grow differently broken as time goes on :-) [02:17] I would say that's perfectly reasonable, as new upstream versions are not always introduced at the beginning of the development cycle [02:17] kazagistar: i guess so. it's always like normal breakage on a1,2, then more breakage on a3,4, then superbreakage on a5!! [02:18] I can't log in through normal boot (only rescue works) the window decorator stopped drawing, and just now, Gnome-do decided to quit after every command I give it (kinda defeating the point) :D [02:18] then suddenly everything becomes fine again on beta [02:18] haha [02:18] the great thing is, it is all perfectly useable [02:18] kazagistar: your kernel/xorg update, maybe? [02:18] maybe [02:19] but, I just use rescue, and then hit continue boot, and it load fine [02:19] plus, when I ctl-alt-f1, the screen stays blank [02:20] it is something with display... it all works, I just cannot see it if I use default boot [02:21] does that sound like xorg? if so, I will report it, but I thought tty was separate from xorg [02:21] it seems kernel related to me [02:22] kazagistar: ahh, I remember there's something with putty not running at startup... a rare case, that was [02:22] um... the thing is, it still works... I can log out, and execute commands [02:23] so adobe released flash for 64-bit linux, but is that what's included in jaunty or does it still just use the 32-bit version? [02:25] i dunno, but it looks from bugtracker like it does? [02:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/310031 [02:25] Ubuntu bug 310031 in flashplugin-nonfree "[jaunty] Ubuntu should install 64bit flash when installing flashplugin-nonfree on 64bit systems" [Undecided,Invalid] [02:27] when i installed flash it said it also needed nspluginwrapper [02:27] is there a way i can tell which version of flash i have? [02:27] ugh, jaunty really hates my desktop [02:27] now KDE will load, with no plasma, desktop, anything [02:27] lol really? it's been working great for me [02:28] oh i'm using gnome [02:28] total fail [02:28] yeah i tried KDE and it failed on me so i decided to give up for a couple weeks [02:28] I guess mine works [02:29] I can still close windows, I just have to guess where the buttons are, because it isn't rendering decorations [02:29] totally broken [02:30] can't even log out of it [02:30] that thing where you get a black screen before gdm comes up. i thought that was supposed to be limited to nvidia users? i'm getting it on intel [02:30] I am too [02:31] does it also happen if you enter tty? [02:31] i cant get to the tty once it does that [02:31] won't detect my other monitor either :( [02:31] it kills VT switching [02:31] ah, mine doesn't [02:31] yeah, my VT does not work [02:32] eh well vt switching has never worked consistently for me [02:32] I can't SEE the terminal, but I can still log in and execute commands [02:32] for the last 2 weeks it was doing great! [02:32] er, that is, in normal login [02:32] the last day's updates sent me back to "my TTYs are blank" mode [02:32] I almost wonder if this machine needs to be reinstalled [02:32] that it got sick somewhere along the way [02:32] naw [02:33] it just needs a quick beta fix :P [02:33] I don't understand though [02:33] it is bog standard [02:33] I am not doing anythign funky on it [02:33] all latest updates [02:33] and KDE is unusable [02:35] KDM login screen is in middle of two monitors now [02:35] that sounds like a pretty easily fixable bug [02:36] sure, but that is the least of all of the problems [02:36] I log in, get a bunch of messages about various programs including plasma have crashed [02:36] then a black screen with a cursor [02:39] I think I'm just going to turn it off until the beta [02:40] you could hack at you kdeinit file and force it to start xterm or something [02:41] well, it came up with konsole [02:41] but was unusable [02:41] didn't actually show the terminal [02:41] ah [02:42] ok I have had 4 lockups today [02:42] hmmm [02:42] I mean, I understand this is life on the bleeding edge [02:42] yes [02:42] but I don't know how these packages can be pushed out if they simply don't work [02:42] but the blade is cutting to deep [02:42] ...but the edge is decapitating you [02:42] :P [02:42] We get bleeding edge packages. Then we file bugs. Then we get the bugs fixed. [02:42] like the recent xserver bug [02:43] but how can you file a bug when your whole system locks up and there is nothing in the log to explain why [02:44] and no common thread? [02:47] ubuntu should have a repo of extra themes and stuff [02:47] just sayin' [02:50] kazagistar, you could write it by hand and mail it in! [02:50] <|ns|nR8> someone tell me why ubuntu needs to send packets to 224.0.0.251 [02:52] isn't that non-routed? [02:52] nope [02:53] nm [02:53] isn't that the multicast ? [02:53] i suppose it is avahi [02:53] <|ns|nR8> yeah its multicast [02:53] <|ns|nR8> i notice windows does it aswell [02:54] |ns|nR8: where ? haven't seen windows do it much [02:54] unless you have installed bonjour ... [02:54] ah, multicast [02:54] <|ns|nR8> it sends to a multicast address when your network connection first goes up [02:54] knew it was some magic [02:54] <|ns|nR8> not sure if its the exact same adress [02:55] <|ns|nR8> i was running a packet sniffer over ppp on windows [02:55] <|ns|nR8> soon as dialup connects it sends to all routers multicast or something [02:56] <|ns|nR8> googling has lots of people with the same question [02:56] <|ns|nR8> but no one has a real answer [02:59] <|ns|nR8> hmm i think i found some answers [02:59] <|ns|nR8> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_DNS [03:01] <|ns|nR8> now i just wonna know how to turn it off [03:16] d1b: bonjour is only on mac [03:17] so yeah, itd be avahi on linux [03:17] i thought multicast was all terribly broken on ipv4 though [03:20] maco: no you can use bonjour on windows [03:20] see apple [03:21] huh? [03:21] http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows [03:21] yes, apple makes bonjour, but i thought that client was only for osx [03:21] it exists [03:21] weird [03:21] notreally [03:22] drat, suspend is broken again [03:23] maco: you must have forgotten all the ruckus apple caused the windows iTunes update some months ago [03:23] syockit: no, i knew about that. i didnt think they sent bonjour with it though [03:24] maco: yup they did. evil apple ;) [03:24] er, at least, assuming you mean the "if you install quicktime, we force you to get itunes, and if you install that, we force you to get safari" [03:24] maco: no, it was the apple updater [03:25] right if you install any updates, they force that crap on your [03:25] cant update quicktime without getting itunes, period [03:25] maco: there was an update for the updater, and the updater tries to install bonjour when updating itunes [03:25] safari might be optional... [03:25] oh [03:25] everything was optional, but nowadays optional seems to mean default [03:31] obnoxious browser-pushing defaults differ from wise paternalistic defaults [03:32] like, if it only installed Safari by default if IE was the only detected browser, that would be just fine by me :) [03:35] syockit: neat i like bonjour [03:35] what does it do anyway [03:36] syockit: service auto-discovery [03:36] it can tell you "hey, this LAN includes a printer and a set of speakrs!" [03:37] and autoconfig the wireless printer and let you automagically play your music through the house speakers [03:38] hmm? how is that supposed to work with windows [03:38] it seems os-centric [03:38] oic, all the apps who knows it will use it [03:39] yeah im not sure how auto-config it can get on a system like windows [03:39] but you can tell windows media player "hey, go play through the LAN speakers instead of the onboard ones" [03:39] "A full installation of Bonjour for Windows will include a plug-in for Internet Explorer, a printer wizard and the network communication services." === custombrush_ is now known as custombrush [04:40] i upgraded to 9.04 and now i have no minimize/maximize/close buttons on my gnome windows [04:40] any ideas [04:40] its just one grey bar [04:40] not even the orange human color [04:40] everything eelse seems ok [04:41] That's the new metacity messing with Compiz. [04:42] I have the same problem with a fresh 9.04, so it seems to be a common problem [04:43] RAOF: why are *both* running? [04:44] They're not; this is (IIUC) a change in libmetacity; gtk-window-decorator uses libmetacity to draw metacity themes, and doesn't like the change. [04:44] by metacity, he means libmetacity-private [04:47] oh [04:48] RAOF: hey, you're smart; why is gwd creating a new colormap in create_pixmap? :D [04:49] crdlb: Because it'd like a colourmap with an alpha channel? [04:49] bingo [04:49] gdk_screen_get_rgba_colormap? [04:50] SCORE! What a guess. I've never even read any of the gwd code :) [04:50] I mean, isn't it perfectly adequate to use that function? [04:51] that's what's upsetting metacity (creating a new one with gdk_colormap_new) [04:52] could someone please point me to the most appropriate channel to ask questions about using PPA? [04:52] tarheelcoxn: #launchpad [04:52] maco: thank you [04:53] crdlb: Is that new? [04:55] the gdk_colormap_new has been there forever [04:56] gdk_screen_get_rgba_colormap is newish, I believe. [04:57] gwd probably predates it. [04:57] 2.8 [04:58] and gwd already uses that function in a couple of places [04:58] * RAOF has got nothing [04:59] well, it definitely works when I change it to set the colormap of the pixmap to that of the style window (which has already been made rgba via that function) [05:31] perhaps somebody here knows offhand since #launchpad seems to be dead... points to [05:31] but the latter is not a valid page [06:08] grr: [06:08] (EE) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Device has changed - disabling. [06:08] Lovely. [06:08] Makes me have to SAK Xorg. [06:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/267495 [06:13] Ubuntu bug 267495 in hal-info "Dell Precision M90 hotkeys not working" [Undecided,Incomplete] [06:13] Same happens for me. [06:13] Completely different laptop. [06:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal-info/+bug/325560 [06:22] Ubuntu bug 325560 in hal-info "Backlight keys FDI addition for HP 6730b" [Undecided,Fix released] [06:22] er [06:22] er [06:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 [06:22] Ubuntu bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] [06:22] what is a good ffpeg movie player? [06:23] DanaG, can i turn the lights off on the media panel on hp notebooks [06:26] I don't think you can. [06:26] cool [06:26] any idea about an ffmpeg/ffplayer that is better then ffplayer? [06:26] (with a seeker?) [06:30] I use mplayer, myself. [06:30] I don't know anything about ffmpeg. [06:30] mplayer uses ffmpeg. [06:30] I tend to use Totem, myself :) [06:34] Odd..... the HAL fdi file for the HP laptop maps e008 to "presentation" -- which is an invalid key name. [06:35] running strings on the hald-addon-input gives no such string. [06:36] mplayer won't play this mkv =P [06:39] ugh, this "flat volumes" misfeature is really stupid. [06:40] If only one app is playing audio, then the indicated volume of the stream matches the indicated volume of the device.... [06:40] ... and if you move the stream, it arbitrarily changes to match the other device. === [pErry] is now known as [perry] [07:37] btw, anyone with decoration issues, if you don't already have a workaround, "compiz-decorator --replace --theme blah" [07:38] --metacity-theme blah, rather [07:41] what happens if you do that, exactly? [07:41] (I don't want to rebreak my gwd to test) [07:43] crdlb, you know the default compiz window theme? It'll just fallback to that [07:44] probably a more direct way of achieving that, and it's not even close to a fix, but I don't feel like patching gwd myself, so it'll do until the fix finds its way in :p [07:49] cwillu: ah, I see [07:49] there's also a gconf key [07:51] crdlb, bug #327793 if you haven't seen that already [07:51] Launchpad bug 327793 in metacity "Window decorations in title bar missing with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327793 [07:52] yah [07:52] * cwillu pokes crdlb and his patch with a stick in the general direction of the comment field :p [07:52] it didn't occur to me that using a bogus theme name would actually disable metacity theme rendering [07:53] cwillu: upstream :> [07:53] * cwillu pokes crdlb with a stick in the general direction of the 'link to upstream bug' field [07:54] * cwillu huggles his poking-stick [07:54] * crdlb nurses his bruises [07:56] I've got greyish border surrounding my windows when enabling compiz. Maximize buttons etc are responsive though. intel X4500, any tips on where to look for a fix? [07:56] heh [07:58] * cwillu hits rewind for a moment, and hits play [07:58] """btw, anyone with decoration issues, if you don't already have a workaround, "compiz-decorator --replace --theme blah"""" [07:58] """--metacity-theme blah, rather""" [07:58] * cwillu hits stop [07:58] digger3, in a terminal, run: compiz-decorator --replace --metacity-theme blah [07:59] digger3, as a workaround [07:59] digger3, https://launchpad.net/bugs/327793 [07:59] Ubuntu bug 327793 in metacity "Window decorations in title bar missing with compiz enabled" [Undecided,New] [07:59] what if he has a theme installed called 'blah'!? [08:00] crdlb, then he's silly, and we can't believe a word he says [08:00] * cwillu pokes crdlb with a stick [08:01] cwillu: thanks, I was looking using the wrong search terms :) [08:07] cwillu: hmmm, your suggestion only works when I specify some non-existing theme. If I try to load clearlooks (for example) the problem remains. [08:07] yes, that's the point [08:08] the metacity theme rendering support is broken, so, by specifying a non-existent theme, the default "cairo" theme is used [08:08] crdlb: ah, ok, I tried to fullin the blah part, but it was meant litteraly :) nm then [08:08] I did not understand the underlying cause [08:14] hello [08:15] i heard about this project>http://www.clutter-project.org/ [08:15] is it yet inclued in metacity ? [08:15] digger3, had I meant 'blah' as a meta variable, I'd have said :p [08:15] included * [08:17] zniavre: no [08:21] hello [08:22] tsclient locking screen how can i resolve this ? [08:57] What a hideous hack: I got fglrx to work by downgrading X server yet again... and then switching to the XFCE session manager. [08:57] ... and then running everything Gnome under it. =P [09:08] crdlb, has anyone ever asked you why you're named after a carriage return database with an extra 'l'? [09:09] carriage return database? means nothing to me. Seems like two completely unrelated things smacked together. [09:09] yes, you did just now [09:10] Yay, I have-eth my Compiz back. [09:10] honestly, that's how I've always read your nick as far back as I can remember [09:10] Quite very hackishly. [09:10] only noticed the 'l' just now [09:10] not using a monspace font? :) [09:10] monospace* [09:11] monospace fonts, how ugly [09:11] * cwillu likes his typography [09:12] but that breaks figlet and cowsay! [09:12] And sl. [09:12] !info sl [09:12] sl (source: sl): Correct you if you type `sl' by mistake. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.03-15 (jaunty), package size 24 kB, installed size 192 kB [09:13] silly trains [09:13] while (sl -e); do sl -le; done [09:13] your shell? [09:14] bash. [09:14] not that bash script? [09:14] huh? [09:14] Not sure I get the question. [09:14] #!/bin/bash\nwhile (sl -e); do sl -le; done [09:15] I don't think too many people use a proportional font in a terminal [09:15] Nah, I just ran that line manually. [09:16] lol at the bugs section of the manpage [09:20] I wonder if that's true. [10:41] did decorations in compiz just break [10:41] ? [10:41] (As in, they are there, but are always grey on grey for me) [10:41] virtuelv, https://launchpad.net/bugs/327793 [10:41] Ubuntu bug 327793 in compiz "Window decorations in title bar missing with compiz enabled" [Medium,Fix released] [10:42] workaround: compiz-decorator --replace --metacity-theme blah [10:42] (literally, blah, doesn't matter what you put there as long as it _isn't_ a valid theme) [10:44] I guess I can live with that fix for now [10:45] what seems positive after this morning's update, is that intel+xorg+compiz no longer equals "slow" [10:46] virtuelv: that bug only happens after vt-switch, suspend/resume or after xorg has been running for a long time usually [10:46] i dont think it's fixed [10:46] hmph [10:47] virtuelv: the third patch proposed for it seems to improve the situtation though, but that patch hasnt been commit to ubuntu yet --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/320813 [10:47] Ubuntu bug 320813 in linux "[drm] compiz animations cause temporary freezes with vblank" [High,Fix committed] [10:47] dunno what's different today then, but compiz has been OK for me so far today, which is quite unlike what I've experiencing any other day when coming in to work [10:47] virtuelv, there's another bug with 945's+gem, if that's what you're seeing, there's a few workarounds. There may even be a fix :p [10:48] product: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [12:09] is the release after jaunty going to be a long term support release?? [12:10] no, it's only the .04 releases that are LTS [12:11] but jaunty isnt LTS right? [12:11] * Assid waits patiently to use up his net connection [12:11] cmon man.. im itching to use my network [12:13] corret, 9.04 isn't LTS [12:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy_Heron#Ubuntu_8.04_LTS_.28Hardy_Heron.29 [12:13] 6.06 and 8.04 is LTS, so I guess 10.04 will be LTS again [12:15] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146 [12:15] "we can commit that the next LTS release of Ubuntu will be 10.04 LTS, in April 2010." [12:17] in all honesty. i ust want a new release so i can stretch my bandwith [12:17] :P === [perry] is now known as [pErry] [13:34] !compiz [13:34] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion === hiredgoo1 is now known as hiredroon === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo === hiredroon is now known as hiredgoon === mvo_ is now known as mvo [14:41] I have problems to do anything with jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso disk (burned in tao mode). I cant do anything (install, livecd, check cd...) without that i goes to BusyBox. i hava alpha4. my hardware is Athlon 64 3000+, 2Gb, 200G maxtor ata, nvidia 6600 256Mt.... [14:42] any suggestions why it wont work? i tryed safe graphics mode. i checked few files and they all matched to md5 checks [14:47] eXlin: I would ask that in #ubuntu+1, maybe. They deal with jaunty [14:48] eh, istn this ubuntu+1? [14:48] charlie-tca: stopdrinking!!! [14:52] Me just waking up. Sorry for the bad information [15:04] So any suggestion what could cause that installation problem in jaunty-amd64? [15:06] eXlin: burn it with a supported application ? [15:07] k3b [15:07] run the verification check on the cd ? [15:07] check the md5's on the image before you burn ? [15:08] but i mean, it boots from that disk, gives start navigation and i checked few random files after burn and their md5 was correct. and .iso image has correct md5 [15:09] it gives graphical loading window of ubuntu but falls to BusyBox [15:09] do the checks I suggested first [15:09] just because it boots does not mean it's fine [15:10] can run verification check on the cd because it goes to BusyBox also [15:11] and i have done md5 check to image on my hd [15:11] burned it to cd-rw. didnt validate burned data but it rarely fails [15:12] Is that running the "Install Ubuntu" directly or through the desktop after running the liveCD? [15:12] eXlin: if that goes to busy box the cd has a problem [15:12] eXlin: that's %100 run in memory [15:12] ok [15:13] hmm... well i am doing usb-installation image atm so maybe that will help on that [15:13] ok, well i reboot now. thx so far ;) [15:26] !schedule [15:26] A schedule of Jaunty Jackelope (9.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule [15:38] any news about the nvidia driver? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:40] in what respect === KterinK is now known as dou213 [16:41] hello, can somebody please prove me wrong that gnome-calculator can't calculate 2,54*1680 or even 2,54 *3 ??? [16:42] cypherdelic, as in 2.54? [16:42] 4267.2? [16:42] works for me [16:42] 4267.2 here [16:42] wait i get a ridicolus products when multiplying inch [16:42] inch? [16:43] Mine doesn't have inch [16:44] 2,54*3=762 ; yes inch (2,54cm) ; 2,54*1680=42672 [16:44] cypherdelic, gnome calc doesn't have unit conversions that I know of [16:44] I use the unit as i input *2,54 ;) [16:44] cypherdelic, your locale may not be set right, in which case you'd need 2.54 [16:44] But perhaps it is because it calculates in tenths, and inches are usually measured in eighths or sixteenths [16:44] cwillu: I clicked onKommatar [16:45] cypherdelic, no idea, works fine for me though [16:45] i just want to calc 2,54*3 ok and i dont get the correct procuct [16:45]