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ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, meoblast001 said: !meoblast001 is 00100100101:13
tritiumjrib: ping01:47
jribtritium: hey01:50
tritiumHi jrib.  Do you still need those logs?01:50
jribtritium: bazhang had them, thanks01:50
tritiumjrib: ok, cool.01:50
jribDoes anyone have any opinions on bruenig?  iirc I've banned him once before and he was unbanned.  But he has always been a troll who knows how to stay close to the line.  If you check logs from about 20 hours ago, you'll see he was up to no good.  He's a regular and should know better.  Here's the conversation happening in #archlinux-offtopic at the same time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116662/01:54
jribI will be banning him unless anyone can give me a good reason not to01:55
tritiumjrib: do you have logs from #ubuntu for the same time period?02:00
jribtritium: sure, give me a sec02:00
tritiumjrib: looks like bruenig pasted a link to a log himself, actually02:02
jribhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/116665/02:03
jribyes, that too02:03
Picijrib: I have no problem with a ban.02:04
tritiumjrib: no problem here either.  Looks like we should keep an eye on a few others as well.02:09
jribindeed, alright I'll ban now02:10
tritiumjrib: how long you think that will last?  Should it be based on nick, perhaps?02:24
jribtritium: sure, at least it will make it harder for him I suppose02:27
tritiumjrib: it's up to you02:29
nickrudnice call jrib 02:50
tritiumjrib: he's active now02:58
* tritium waits for DigitalKiwi to follow...03:18
bruenigexcuse me dear fellows, I find that my subnet has a mode +b attached to it in channel proper, I do not know what caused such a mode to be placed on it and so I inquire03:19
jribbruenig: scroll up a few lines in #archlinux-offtopic, I think it should be pretty clear03:19
bruenigthis is merely fan fiction03:19
bruenigwhat's more03:19
bruenigyou will find that mindrape being the aggressor got his comeuppance thus providing the aforementioned win03:20
jribbruenig: your ban will not be lifted anytime soon03:20
bruenigthis is foolish sir03:20
bruenighow do I get +b by responding to criticism of myself03:21
bruenigwhen have I ever gone into #ubuntu for some purposes? I merely idle and every so often in channel lulz look for the ability to help. When out of nowhere someone makes some comment about me while I have clearly done nothing to him, I respond03:22
bruenigthis elicits a ban?03:22
bruenigof all things, I idle, someone attacks me, and I respond03:22
jribbruenig: how did you respond?03:22
bruenigin channel lulls03:22
bruenig*03:23
bruenigwell I told him he should mind his own business03:23
bruenigthen he called me retarded03:23
bruenigthen I said he was dropped on his head03:23
bruenigthis sort of spiraled until I called the ops on him03:23
tritiumbruenig: but you've admitted before to trolling in the channel03:23
bruenigtritium: I specifically told you that I do not troll in the channel03:24
bruenigthat I trolled in #crunchbang03:24
bruenigbecause I mean let's be honest crunchbang is a joke03:24
tritiumbruenig: that's not how I recall it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there03:24
bruenigwell I have logs03:24
bruenighttp://rafb.net/p/Q3F7QH63.html03:25
tritiumbruenig: as I said, I gave you the benefit of the doubt03:26
bruenigwell you needn't give only that!03:26
bruenigevidence!03:26
bruenigin any event, this is a bizarre ban, I thought it was hilarious that I got a dude banned after he went after me for ircing as root, as if here were some sort white knight brain trust of linux knowledge03:27
tritiumbruenig: you've produced yours.  So, +1 for you.  My recollection is from #archlinux-offtopic, but I cannot produce a link at present.03:27
bruenighmm03:27
jribbruenig: the ban is related to your actions, not that of others03:27
bruenigall I am seeing in archlinux-offtopic is me referring to it as a win03:28
bruenignot as a troll03:28
bruenig21:11        bruenig DigitalKiwi: did you see #ubuntu win yet?03:28
tritiumbruenig: it was days, possibly weeks, ago03:28
bruenigoh I see03:28
bruenigwell this is a strange time to pull the trigger on that03:29
tritiumI didn't.03:29
bruenigoh03:29
bruenigjrib: explain!03:29
bruenigsurely actions must be understood in context, perhaps not the best course of action, but I think at least someone understandable given the provocation03:30
jribhttp://rafb.net/p/SNsYjV26.html is not acceptable and you know it.  On top of that, you treat what you've done as some sort of show for #archlinux-offtopic 03:31
jribWhich make your intentions quite clear03:31
bruenigyes it is a show because this aggressive idiot got nailed03:31
jribmakes even03:31
bruenigintentions?03:32
bruenigI pursued him to come after me?03:32
bruenigthis is entirely a responsive thing on my end03:32
bruenigthat is the sense in which it is a show03:32
bruenigor a win03:32
jrib00:21 *     mindrape stares at bruenig and contemplates a don't IRC as root rant...03:32
jrib00:22        bruenig mindrape: mind your own business moron03:32
jribthose are the first two lines03:32
bruenigindeed03:32
bruenighe starts03:33
jribseems clear who provoked who03:33
bruenighe starts, what do you mean who provoked who, I was just idling along03:33
jriband you make comments in #archlinux-offtopic before anyone was banned03:33
bruenigyeah I said that there was a flame fest going on in there03:33
jribnot ircing as root is sane advice03:33
bruenigI did not pursue that advice and to present yourself like that is clearly condescending03:34
bruenigto present himself like that03:34
bruenig*03:35
bruenigin any event, the point is, I was provoked initially, this is entirely atypical of me03:36
bruenigas you are well aware03:36
jribno, your name is not new here03:36
bruenigI was not looking for a fight, I wasn't even looking at the channel03:36
bruenigthe last time I was in here was because I pinged the channel03:36
bruenigbig woop03:36
bruenigthat must have been 5 months or so ago03:37
jribI don't mean new in this channel.03:37
bruenigit was before I was banned from #archlinux which was a long time ago03:37
jribIn any case, it's clear to me you could have stopped the event early on but didn't and instead tried to continue it when you know that this is not the purpose of #ubuntu03:38
bruenighmmm03:40
bruenigwell03:40
bruenigobviously there are things I could have done, I eventually got around to doing the right thing03:40
bruenigI think given that I was not the instigator and that there is no track record of anything like this, that it is a bit of an overreach based almost purely on your bad interpretations of my talking about the incident in archlinux OT03:41
jribYou *were* an instigator03:44
jribThis is the problem.03:44
jribAnd you were fully aware of it.  Just as you are now03:44
jribAgain, this is made even clearer from your comments in #archlinux-offtopic.  Both at the time it was happening and more recently03:45
bruenigmy comments recently talk of win03:48
bruenigwin in the sense that mindrape came after me and I defeated him03:48
jribbruenig: do you have anything else to add?03:49
brueniglulz?03:49
bruenigyou guys are quite absurd03:50
bruenigto think that this one incident after months and years of nothing is just strange03:50
bruenigwas I trolling for him to criticize me? no of course not03:50
jribwell the troll raids from #archlinux-offtopic have gotten quite annoying03:50
bruenigI just think that in terms of prevention03:51
bruenigthis doesn't make sense03:51
bruenigjrib: when have I ever been involved?03:51
jribother than this past time, I don't know03:51
bruenigI am not ever, I mean other people do it, I don't do it03:51
bruenigI think it is silly to troll a channel like ubuntu like my tritium paste explained03:51
bruenigall you ever get is confusion03:52
tritiumLoCo meeting nearly done.  I'll be back shortly.03:52
bruenigjrib: and this paste time was not a "troll raid" I was idling minding my own business and was confronted by someone03:52
bruenigyou say the confrontation wasn't as bad as I think it was, but still, this was not me pursuing something, it was reactive03:52
bruenigpast*03:53
tritiumOK, I'm back.03:55
bruenigwoot!03:55
* nalioth runs03:56
tritiumjrib: anything to address?03:56
jribbruenig: do you have any questions I didn't answer?03:57
jribbruenig: I didn't say anything about how bad you thought the confrontation was, but I did say that your response was unacceptable and that I believe, as a regular, you were aware of this03:58
tritiumHi nalioth.03:59
tritiumIt's amazing to read some of what skyopomp, thewizord, and Ferrenrock have to say about #ubuntu, and yet they continue to /join.04:00
bruenigjrib: but I don't understand your criteria that makes you think this makes sense04:01
bruenigdo you feel that I am somehow a threat to the channel and disruptive?04:01
jribbruenig: last night, you were very disruptive, yes04:01
bruenigon the occasion that I say anything in #ubuntu, it is usually in quick spurts of helping04:01
bruenigjrib: yes but is this ban meant to be a preventative thing?04:01
naliothtritium: you skiing yet?04:01
bruenigor is this just like a revenge thing04:01
jribbruenig: revenge?04:01
tritiumnalioth: no, but I should be04:01
jribis there something I should know about? 04:02
bruenigjrib: revenge may not be the right word04:02
bruenigyou understand that there are different theories of punishment. For instance some people say jails should exist to rehabilitate criminals and make them able to work better outside whereas others think it should just punishment pure and simple and it doesn't matter04:02
bruenigso what I am confused by is what this ban is supposed to do? If you do not think I am likely to do anything like this, the ban is rather pointless in terms of what is beneficial to the channel04:03
brueniggiven that I either 1) don't say anything or 2) help04:03
JamesMoweryHey, what's this channel for?04:03
JamesMoweryI can't get into the ubuntu channel.04:03
JamesMoweryI don't really undestand why, I haven't really ever said anything in #ubuntu, I just go there to read.04:03
jrib@bansearch JamesMowery 04:04
ubottuMatch: *!*@pool-71-253-251-130.nrflva.east.verizon.net!#ubuntu-ops by Flannel in #ubuntu on Feb 08 2009 21:53:03 (ID: 9847)04:04
JamesMoweryI'm new to this IRC thing. I'm mainly in #django, but I'm planning on running on #ubuntu04:04
JamesMowerySo I have questions in the future about the OS.04:04
tritium@btlogin04:04
bruenigif I were at all interested in disrupting #ubuntu, I would participate in these famed raids you all tell me about04:05
bruenigthis was more a bruenig v. mindrape thing than anything to do with the channel, the channel was purely coincidental04:05
tritiumJamesMowery: you're in the bantracker more than once.04:05
JamesMoweryWhat does that mean?04:05
JamesMoweryI don't really understand...04:05
tritiumJamesMowery: it appears you've been warned multiple times about /away messages spamming the channel.04:06
JamesMoweryWhat are /away messages?04:06
JamesMoweryI don't send any messages in there though.04:07
tritiumJamesMowery: when you set yourself away, you change your nick.  I see Flannel has asked you on multiple occasions to disable that.  It spams the channel unnecessarily.04:07
jribbruenig: your ban is a combination of the following: 1) You responded inappropriately.  2) You advertised the situation to #archlinux-offtopic and then continued non-support discussion with them once they joined.  3) You prolonged the discussion that wasn't at all related to support and was inappropriate at times.  If just one of these things had happened and if you were new and were not aware that all 04:07
jribof these things are unacceptable, then I would not ban you, but just warn you.  But this is not the case.04:07
tritiumJamesMowery: e.g., JamesMowery|away04:07
JamesMoweryHow do you disable that?04:07
JamesMoweryI didn't even know.04:08
tritiumJamesMowery: in your irc client.04:08
JamesMoweryI just installed this new IRC program on my Mac called Linkinus.04:08
JamesMoweryDon't really know what to look for.04:08
tritiumJamesMowery: sorry, can't help you there.04:08
JamesMoweryWell, that kinda blows. I was banned forever, and I didn't even know I was doing anything wrong.04:09
JamesMoweryWas hoping to learn from the #ubuntu room.04:09
tritiumJamesMowery: I understand.04:09
tritiumHave you seen the requests from Flannel before?04:10
nickrudJamesMowery, look through the settings for Away Message, or something to that effect04:10
JamesMoweryIs Flannel a person?04:10
tritiumJamesMowery: yes, one of the ops.04:10
bruenigjrib: do you believe those things are likely to happen again though04:10
JamesMoweryOn the settings, it says "When going away... " Use message: "Be back later"04:11
bruenigthat is the chief question to me, is this a ban to prevent me from the inevitable havoc I am meant to wreak or is this just punishment04:11
tritiumJamesMowery: this is what happens when you do that:04:11
tritium2009-01-20T02:33:45 *** JamesMowery is now known as JamesMowery|away04:11
naliothJamesMowery: please disable that setting04:11
nickrudJamesMowery, I discussed it with him when he set it; he thought it likely you didn't realize it was happening but since ubuntu is a busy channel we try to keep out the extraneous lines/comments/etc04:11
JamesMoweryOh, it says "Append suffics to preferred nickname: |away04:11
JamesMowerysuffix*04:11
JamesMoweryI didn't know about that.04:11
tritiumJamesMowery: please disable that one too.04:11
JamesMoweryI've never even messed with any of them settings, but I just turned them all off.04:11
jribbruenig: the ban serves to ensure that 1) you do not disrupt the channel again and 2) it becomes clear that coordinated efforts to disrupt #ubuntu from other channels (such as #archlinux-offtopic) result in bans04:12
tritiumbruenig: I didn't think you cared so much about being in #ubuntu, actually.04:12
JamesMowerySo, hopefully it is fixed now.04:12
tritiumJamesMowery: thank you.04:12
JamesMoweryHopefully it won't bug anyone else in any rooms now :)04:12
bruenigjrib: ok so you do honstly believe that I disrupt the channel04:12
brueniglike often04:12
JamesMoweryI still got a lot to learn about this IRC stuff.04:12
bruenigthat is bizarre04:13
tritiumFlannel: ping04:13
tritiumJamesMowery: please sit tight for a bit.  We typically respect each other's bans, and don't remove them without concurrence.04:13
nickrudtritium, if you can't reach flannel, I'm sure he won't have a problem with this ban being lifted. Like I said earlier, we had discussed it04:14
tritiumnickrud: you had?  OK.04:14
nickrud@btlogin04:14
nickrud@login04:14
ubottuThe operation succeeded.04:14
nickrud@btlogin04:14
bruenighow much do you guys get paid for this?04:14
jribbruenig: we are volunteers04:15
bruenig0_004:15
naliothwe get paid with loooove04:15
bruenigseems a bit of an overwhelming situation for no pay04:15
tritiumbruenig: what was that for?04:15
JamesMoweryThat's fine tritium, I just wish I would have known about all these settings before I started on the IRC. I had trouble enough trying to figure out how to register my nickname. :D04:15
tritiumJamesMowery: I'm working on it now.04:15
* nickrud kicks nalioth 04:16
* nalioth bites nickrud's leg off04:16
tritiumJamesMowery: please try to join now.04:16
nickrudtypical texan, no sense of proportion ;)04:16
tritiumbruenig: 21:14 bruenig [n=root@12.159.29.3] requested CTCP PING from tritium: 04:16
JamesMoweryAwesome, it worked :D04:16
tritiumJamesMowery: good.  Thanks for changing those settings.  Good luck to you.04:17
bruenigtritium: you pinged so I thought I would ping04:17
JamesMowerythanks for the help tritium, much appreciated :)04:17
tritiumbruenig: I pinged?04:17
bruenigpeople get really fired up about pings and versions, it is kind of strange I don't think anyone of them knows why either04:17
bruenigtritium: your highlight ping for Flannel 04:17
tritiumYes, that was to address JamesMowery's issue.  It had nothing to do with you.04:18
bruenigI know04:18
tritiumBizarre response on your part, if you ask me.04:18
bruenigI was just playing around04:18
bruenigdo you know why people go so crazy about that though, is there some explanation to the pinging paranoia?04:19
naliothbruenig: are we assisting you with something?04:19
bruenigwell I got banned for some crazy trumped up stuff04:19
bruenigit seems like the main reason was a misinterpretation of something that happened on an entire other channel, which I find a rather weak reason to +b someone, especially someone who has no record of doing anything04:21
tritiumbruenig: it's disappointing to see you stand by idle, while your #archlinux-offtopic counterparts troll raid #ubuntu04:22
bruenigthey don't even tell me04:23
bruenigI swear they are launching that stuff from #archlinux04:23
bruenigI mean like ushdf or whatever, he didn't say anything at all to anyone, he just went up and did it04:23
bruenighe is banned from #archlinux too so I don't know what he was doing04:24
bruenigjust personal laughs I guess04:24
tritiumWhere does this hostility from arch come from?04:25
bruenighonestly I think it is just boredom04:26
bruenigno one comes into #archlinux ever for questions04:26
bruenigI mean it is an advanced distro and all of that jazz, so the channel just doesn't go anywhere04:26
bruenigI personally try to fix that by going offtopic, but then they ban me for being OT in the support channel, so whatever04:27
jribI'm off to bed, night04:33
bruenigjrib: u's crazy04:34
tritiumjrib: good night04:34
tritiumI'm heading to bed soon as well.04:35
tritiumWho's responsible for Ertyle?  He's not working at the moment.04:35
tritiumLjL: ping04:37
Flanneltritium: I'll comment on my bans if I have issues with others removing them.  I don't think there's any reason bans that are mostly clerical (like that one) need to really be discussed anyway.06:10
tritiumFlannel: fair enough.  I just didn't want to step on your toes.06:12
tritiumI did in fact remove the ban.06:12
FlannelThat's good.  He just needed something more noteworthy than repeated ubottu messages and removals, apparently.06:13
tritiumI guess so.06:13
FlannelGlad he got it all figured out finally.06:15
tritiumMe too.06:16
tritiumHow's school?06:16
FlannelGood.  Somewhat busy so far.  But it hasn't really gotten busy yet.  I imagine I'll wind up exploding circa late April.  Although I'm trying to frontload all of the work in my design classes so that's mitigated.06:17
tritiumI hope it all goes well for you.06:18
FlannelI'm going to run off this weekend and go backpacking, which should be good.  Although it just means SCaLE planning is going to be crazier this and next week :)06:18
tritium:)06:18
FlannelOh, I'll definately get through it.  It'll just be the difference between 2 and 4 hours of sleep a night for a few months.06:19
FlannelI'm hoping for four, in case anyone was wondering :)06:19
tritiumThat would be preferable ;)06:20
tritiumSpeaking of sleep, I think I'll get some.  Have a good night.06:21
FlannelNight06:22
prince_jammyscoolguy-89, megaspammer #ubuntu07:31
ubottusuigeneris called the ops in #ubuntu (coolguy891)07:32
prince_jammysUbuntuWifiFails, general troll, #ubuntu07:32
prince_jammysenjoy07:32
Flannelerm08:05
FlannelOh!08:05
FlannelHere we go!08:12
Myrttihello08:33
FlannelHowdy Myrtti08:34
* Panarchy says Hi08:35
PanarchyCan I please be unbanned from the #ubuntu channel?08:35
PanarchyThanks in advance.08:35
MyrttiJamesMowery: you can leave the channel now08:41
PanarchyCan I please be unbanned from the #ubuntu channel?08:41
PanarchyThanks in advance.08:41
* Myrtti checks08:42
Myrttioh my08:43
MyrttiPanarchy: sorry08:43
MyrttiPanarchy: not going to happen anytime soon08:43
FlannelPanarchy: I believe the last time you were in here, you were asked to come back when you could demonstrate sufficient reason for us to allow you back in.08:43
Panarchyah08:43
PanarchyWell I've made process on almost every project I'm working on. And think that with my now sufficient knowledge that I will have a lot to give back to the Ubuntu community08:44
Myrttiikonia: ^08:45
FlannelPanarchy: I believe the matter at hand isn't a knowledge issue, but a disciplinary and/or self control issue.08:47
FlannelWe certainly don't screen people in #ubuntu based on their knowledge08:47
PanarchyBut by learning what I have learnt I have shown discipline08:53
FlannelPanarchy: Unfortunately we have evidence to the contrary, which is why, if I remember correctly, you were asked to come back with a 'sponsorship' from an Ubuntu member.08:56
elkya discipline, but not the discipline we are looking for.08:56
PanarchyIf you like, I can show you my TODO list and how much progess I have been making08:56
elkyPanarchy, this isnt about achievement. this is about behaviour.08:56
elkyPanarchy, basically we need something other than a 'F minus' in the box that says 'plays well with others'08:57
Panarchylol09:00
* Panarchy goes back to working on his Linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -]09:00
* elky is tempted to mark that as spamming09:01
ikoniafor the logs do not unban panarchy please09:01
ikoniahe spammed 11 channels the other day because it was "funny" 09:01
ikoniahis response to the people in #solaris who tried to help him was "fuck you"09:01
ikoniahe has been a pain flooding/spamming ##linux and ##windows09:02
elky@mark09:02
ubottu(mark [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<comment>]) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if <nick|hostmask> was kicked from <channel> with the comment <comment>, if <comment> is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, <channel> is only needed when send in /msg09:02
Flannelelky: I said the same thing last time!09:02
ikoniahe is not showing he can grasp the concept of irc or other channels topic's rules, I have no reason to think he can grasp ubuntus09:02
elkyikonia, which is exactly why i placed the conditions on him that i did09:02
Flannelikonia: Oh, don't worry about me.  He'd have to have some pretty solid evidence.09:03
elkyikonia, we are not preventing him getting back in. his continued bad behaviour is.09:03
ikonianope, just making it clear for the recording he's a real pain and cannot participate in any channel - not just ubuntu09:04
elky@mark Panarchy see the log snapshot for spam and history of behaviour elsewhere09:04
ubottuThe operation succeeded.09:04
Flannelelky: It's actually already in the BT09:04
elkyFlannel, oh, i know, but i'm just reinforcing now09:05
ikonianow in ##apple asking about virtualization on hackintosh 09:05
elkywell, i'm quite envious of vmware fusion...09:06
ikoniahe just left after being busted09:07
elkyheh09:07
jussi01ikonia: pm09:12
ikoniayou got it09:12
* tonyyarusso 's mind is being slowly crushed by users with poor English skills :(10:27
* jussi01 crushes tonyyarusso with a failblog conspiracy theory - Rainbows in sprinklers! :P10:28
tonyyarussohehe10:29
jussi01that just cracked me up...10:29
tonyyarussoIt makes me sad that we let that lady vote.10:29
jussi01yeah10:29
Myrtti@bansearch Daemonic 10:54
ubottuNo matches found for daemonic!n=daemonic@adsl-69-154-31-162.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net in any channel10:54
ikoniaMyrtti: I removed him as he managed to even make a slur in his apologies10:55
ikonia"sorry Russian"10:55
Myrttiikonia: ...10:55
Myrttierm10:55
ikoniajust not acceptable10:56
Myrttiikonia: that was the other guys nickname10:56
ikoniaI know10:56
topylistrangely coherent and nice in pm11:01
ikoniareally - been a bit of a jerk in ##linux11:02
ikonianot as bad as in #ubuntu11:02
ikoniaand his real name is "jackass"11:02
ikoniajust seems to mess around11:02
* jussi01 prods ikonia11:06
ikonianickrud: a prime bullguard example in #ubuntu now12:13
Jack_Sparrowyep12:15
MyrttiI reckon it's time for spinach pancakes12:16
ikoniaMyrtti: wow, nice12:16
Jack_SparrowSpinach Pasta maybe, but pancakes?12:16
ikoniacould work, savoiury12:16
Myrttibasic stuff in Finland12:19
Myrttithey sell them in packs, ready made. microwave for two minutes, enjoy with lingonberry jam.12:19
Myrttiomnomnom12:19
ikoniaMyrtti: thats a finish dish ?12:21
ikoniatraditional or just popular12:21
Myrttiboth12:24
Myrttioriginal recipe is with nettles12:24
ikonianever heard of it12:24
ikoniamakes my tastebuds tingle though, fancy trying it12:24
topylieasy enough to make and try12:31
ikoniatrue12:31
topylimake pancake dough, apply spinach until healthy12:32
ikonia"buy" pancacke dough12:33
topyliclose enough12:33
ikoniagood good12:33
ikoniaI'll try it12:33
ikoniapankakes ala Myrtti 12:34
Myrtti150 g frozen spinach, 1 egg, 3 dl skimmed milk, 1.5 dl wheat flour, 2 tbsp butter, 0.25 teaspoon salt, frying: 2 tbsp butter12:34
Jack_SparrowChop the spinach .. alot12:35
Myrttiyup12:35
elkyonly wheat flour?12:35
Myrttielky: that's the basic recipe, feel free to adjust to own taste and palate :-)12:36
Myrttihttp://plaza.fi/ellit/ideakeittio/ruokaohjeet/helpot-pinaattiletut12:36
elkybuckwheat ftw12:36
topylii should be writing but i keep opting for xgalaga12:36
ikoniaahhh elky I meant to ask you yesteday, now time has past what good applications hav eyou found for the e7112:36
elkyikonia, havent added anything else really. you?12:37
ikonianot so much, finding choice of "main" apps limited, 12:37
topylifrozen bubble!12:37
elkytopyli, that was either the first or second thing installed12:37
elkyif not the first, the first was putty12:38
topyli:)12:38
elkyactually, i'm pretty sure the first thing was putty12:38
topyliputty has copy/paste now, and white-on-black scheme12:38
topylithis makes me happy12:38
elkyindeed it was, putty, fr.bubble, mirggi12:39
ikoniaI've got putty - that's pretty solid12:39
topylii wish we had scp though12:40
ikoniayes, that would be cool to get data/on off12:40
ikoniaI was dicussing with someone yesterday (which prompted me to think of elky) about how some of the core "apps" that other smart phones such as iphone/blackberry/HTC etc where covering, flickr/facebook/myspace etc etc12:42
ikoniait was suprising that nokia/open community hadn't put anything together12:44
elkyyeah, thats a sore point12:45
elkyflickr it does have12:45
elkybut only kinda12:45
elkyfacebook's m.facebook.com is satisfactory, but not as good as an actual app could be12:45
elkymyspace can diabcf12:46
Myrttix.facebook.com12:46
elkyoh?12:46
Myrttiyup12:46
ikoniajust odd that the open platform is the one that is lacking the most12:47
ikoniaI had no argument to defend my discussion12:47
Tm_Tmaybe I should not help you on that either (;)12:47
elkyMyrtti, that fails for me... i get the top blue bar, then half the menu bar, and nothing is clickable12:48
Myrttielky: might be that you don't have javascript enabled?12:49
elkyhow do i check?12:49
Tm_Tjavascript is often not very good solution, as it tends to be buggy in some layer12:49
elkyTm_T, you're telling this to the ajax-hater who has spent the past 3 months coding ajax apps12:50
Tm_Telky: muhahahahahaha12:51
* Tm_T hides12:51
Tm_Twhat happened to good old plaintext, meh12:51
elkyno kidding12:51
elkyMyrtti, works fine in opera, just not the s60 browser12:54
Myrttiweird.12:54
Myrttiworks fine for me though12:54
elkyoh well. i'm falling asleep here, so i'm going to head bedwards12:58
Tm_Telky: sleep well and see fluffy sheeps12:59
* elky goes off to cuddle a pillow12:59
Myrttinini elky 12:59
PiciSleep well elky13:02
* jussi01 huggles his 10/10 connection :) kubuntu cd downloads are _soo_ fast...13:07
jussi01torrents ftw!!13:08
ikoniajussi01: re-test please13:13
topylii have to invent a job for myself in some company. the university is turning me into a depressed xgalaga player13:38
topylinot a very good one either! i'm slow :(13:39
Picioops. Accidentally kicked a canonical employee from #ubuntu.14:13
ikoniaI'm sure they will be cool14:13
jussi01ikonia: *prod*14:33
* genii makes more coffee14:33
* Myrtti drinks more coffee14:34
jdongoh don't tempt me :)14:34
geniiHeh, hi Myrtti14:34
* jdong got one of those Bunn 10-cup brewers that make the coffee as fast as you pour in the water :)14:34
geniijdong: Ooooooo14:35
jdongprobably the worst thing I've done to my health the whole term :D14:35
ikonia@mark #ubuntu darkknight repeat questions - refusing to accept fact (been told the answer many times but keeps asking)15:05
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mneptoknalioth: meep15:46
ikoniadon't cry 15:48
mneptokdoes my emotional sensitivity arouse you?15:51
mneptok'cause it sure ain't my rugged good looks.15:52
nickrudikonia, was a truly burning question from bullgard15:52
* nickrud wipes the muck in the channel from his shoes15:53
ikonianickrud: ha ha, another odd one15:54
ikoniahe's re-jigged it and just asked again in ##linux, even more randomly odd this time15:54
ikoniaPici: are you understanding this ???? I'm not15:57
Piciikonia: Not at all.15:58
* Pici gives up16:00
PiciThis firefox thing has really be bothering me lately.16:00
ikoniain what way ?16:01
PiciThe sheer number of people who claim they need 3.0.6... and don't know why.16:01
ikoniaahhh the users, not the product16:01
ikoniayes, about the 3rd one I've seen today16:01
ikoniaI think it's because someone made a big deal on the security advisory for it16:02
ikoniaI couldn't make head nor tail of what he'd done16:03
Myrttihum16:03
Myrttiweird16:03
MyrttiI just today upgraded my firefox to 3.0.6...16:04
* Myrtti shrugs16:04
ikoniame too16:05
ikoniaI wonder what is tar files and repo messing has done16:05
* genii waits for firefox-3.0.6-qt to get finished16:05
ikoniaunlucky 16:06
naliothmneptok: meep?16:20
mneptoknalioth: ping when you have 10m or so for some channel reg issues?16:24
mneptok(not urgent)16:24
ikoniawhy is someone using letmegooglethatforyou.com - either google it or don't, don't ask a website to do it for you ???16:26
ikoniaam I missing the point of it ?16:27
Tm_Tikonia: prolly it's making the hint in url-form16:27
mneptokad revenue juice16:27
geniiikonia: I'm with Tm_T on the why16:27
MyrttiI agree with Tm_T16:27
nickrudTm_T, I think you're probably right; mneptok is just too  mercenary16:28
MyrttiI've thought of "why can't you use google for that instead of making me google it for you" but I've never said it like that16:28
Myrttisometimes people just don't think before asking in IRC/forums/whatnot16:29
ikoniait's the worst tool I've seen 16:29
* Tm_T hides16:29
naliothmneptok: MEEP16:30
ikoniayou put the text in a box, then it gets submited to google and returns the Url exactly the ssame as google would if you just typed it in direct16:30
Picimeep meep16:33
* tritium slaps mneptok with a chile relleno16:34
mneptoktritium!16:35
tritiummneptok: hello!  Good news?16:36
mneptoktritium: so ubuntu-us-nm needs hosting?16:36
tritiummneptok: aye, captain.  Request has been submitted to rt.ubuntu.com16:36
mneptoktritium: i may be able to do one better16:36
tritiummneptok: ooh, really?16:36
Myrttioh, btw17:07
MyrttiI just realised something17:08
Myrttiwhat have you people done to ASUS-tek :-D17:08
Myrttinot that I *want* him back17:09
Myrttijust wondering what has happened17:09
Tm_TMyrtti: perhaps he is collecting some strength17:10
MyrttiTm_T: don't even suggest that17:10
geniiI didn't think he was so horrible. Just too excitable and wanting to make buddies with everyone, etc17:11
MyrttiI agree17:13
MyrttiI feel like there's a mad house going on in #ubuntu18:01
Myrttiok, I must have overworked or something18:05
MyrttiI have the distinct urge to scream "I'm with stupid" and I fear I'm about to say it aloud at #ubuntu18:05
PiciMy brain hurts too18:09
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MyrttiI seriously suck in making a deb package18:54
Tm_TMyrtti: just train18:54
* Tm_T hides18:54
Tm_TMyrtti: please make jaiku and identica post, so I see if bots are really not reachable for me18:55
Myrttihth, hand18:56
Tm_Tdanke18:56
Tm_Tso I get messages but I see them offline18:57
Myrttiso nothing new there18:58
Tm_Tit's new for me18:58
MyrttiPici: you use irssi, right? (*I'm having a slow day today*)19:35
PiciMyrtti: Indeed I do.19:36
Myrttihow did you get the information he was from Brazil so quickly?19:36
ikoniaMyrtti: I use colour hilighting for domains sometimes19:37
PiciMyrtti: I use geoip.pl19:37
MyrttiI cut and paste the IP addresses and do a whois on them on another terminal window...19:38
PiciMyrtti: http://pastebin.com/f73b711719:38
MyrttiPici: thanks19:38
Myrttiyou're a lifesaver19:38
PiciMyrtti: You'll need libgeoip1 and also to /set geoip_dat within irssi19:39
Picioh, I guess the latter is explained in the file.19:40
PiciI suppose you could append it to your onjoin stuff too if you felt like hacking that in.19:40
topyliMyrtti: please figure out a consulting job for me, via coss or something. i'm a demotivated, tired, bs distributed work expert :(19:47
ikoniatopyli: what would you like to do 19:47
Tm_Ttopyli: I second that =)19:47
Tm_Ttopyli: and I'm only student, already mentally raped by univ-bs19:48
topyliikonia: i would like to smooth out distributed, internet-mediated workplaces where commerce and free communities interface19:49
ikoniatopyli: you want to be paid to be on irc ?19:49
topylithat's where i've done some research and i pretend to know19:49
topyliikonia: yes, with hugs19:49
topyli:\19:49
ikoniasome of the companies I work for write into my contract that they will pay for X ammount of IRC time 19:50
ikoniait is out there19:50
MyrttiI guess that geoip thingie wont work then19:51
PiciMyrtti: Why not?19:51
MyrttiI don't have geo/ip.pm installed on kapsi and I have no idea how to get cpan to install it for me19:51
ikoniatopyli: as in companys want/will allow people to partipate in internet mediated workplaces19:51
Myrttiand I'm tired19:51
topyliwell i'm willing to do more. i would like to figure out potential problems between upstream and companies, communicate the company's commercial goals to communities and the community's goals to the company19:51
Myrttilooks like I've tried to make it work earlier19:51
Picioh :(19:51
topylithen figure out how to do this effectively without forking anything19:52
topylithe problem is, i'm working full time with my dissertation right now, just to get my phd, and i'm very frustrated with that. i want real work19:53
topyliMyrtti: personal cpan installs should work on kapsi's servers. i'm not sure19:54
topyliikonia: yeah i believe Myrtti is working pretty much on the internet atm19:55
Myrttitopyli: unfortunately I don't have the energy to work it out19:55
mneptokcrazy Finns. *grumble*19:55
Myrttitopyli: say that again?19:56
topyliMyrtti: well it is about perl, you need a fully-aware zen mind to figure it out19:56
Myrttiyeah19:56
topyliMyrtti: you're working predominantly from home aren't you?19:56
mneptoktopyli: "When you can take the pebble from my hand, grasshoper, you will gain access to CPAN."19:56
Myrttivery much so19:56
topylimneptok: something like that :)19:56
topyliMyrtti: you're a bad example though, your company is only two hours away and only a few people. sorry about that19:59
Myrttihey, we've got about 60 people!19:59
Myrttinot fair!19:59
PiciI didn't do anything special to get geoip working here (ubuntu 8.10), just installed that one library I mentioned earlier... I think19:59
Myrttiand we've got people in Brussels too19:59
Myrttiand Vietnam20:00
PiciMyrtti: oh.. libgeo-ip-perl exists on 8.1020:00
PiciThe package20:00
Tm_TMyrtti: Brussels/Joensuu/something in that particular case20:00
topyliwhat i'm interested in is hierarchies being replaced by distributed projects of hundreds of people, organized mostly around tools, the object of work and perhaps some common goal20:00
PiciIts on gutsy +20:00
MyrttiPici: sure - but it doesn't help me because I'm not administrator of the server20:00
PiciMyrtti: oooh20:00
topylilike free software projects. companies can be an important part of that20:01
Tm_TPici: you know, we have some 2000 users in these servers20:01
topylioh it's more distributed and mediated than i though20:02
topylit20:02
Tm_TPici: 2500+ lines in /etc/passwd actually (:20:02
topylithere's no job i could apply for. "guy who tries to grok commercial open source" doesn't come up much20:05
topylimaybe i should just go talk to someone and say "let's figure out what i could do"20:05
Myrttitopyli: tekes?20:05
Myrttitopyli: sitra?20:05
topyliMyrtti: i would prefer a company actually in this business20:06
topyliotherwise i might as well go on with research20:06
Myrtti*shrug*20:06
topyliright now, i think i'm going to need a long sick leave. as it is, i can't work. i'm playing xgalaga and drinking beer at the pub20:08
mneptoktopyli: sudo apt-get install maelstrom20:09
topylimneptok: yes i play maelstrom too :)20:09
mneptoktopyli: been addicted since c1993.20:09
Picigweled20:09
mneptok(boys and their toys, doanchya know)20:09
topyliPici: i did play gweled but i got tired of it. too much brain required20:09
topylimneptok: i learned both xgalaga and maelstrom around 2000 or so, they were big hits when i was writing my masters thesis in 200220:10
topylii forgot both for a long time, but now they're making a comeback20:11
topylii guess they're something "else" to do when work sucks20:11
mneptoktopyli: i tend to game on the PS3. but Maelstrom is an old, relaible friend.20:12
topyliisn't maelstrom originally for the apple <something>?20:13
topyliwhatever had the wonderful graphics needed20:13
topylii also play super mario in zsnes20:14
Myrttimneptok: this better be a good game20:14
topylihehe20:14
Myrttioh, right20:15
Myrttiit's this one20:15
* Myrtti uninstalls20:15
mneptokMyrtti: best Asteroids clone EVAR20:15
topyli:(20:15
MyrttiI can barely play klondike20:15
topylithis is a real man's game20:15
mneptoktopyli: and yeah, it was originally a Mac classic game by Andrew Welch/Ambrosia20:16
MyrttiI think I'll go back to coding20:16
Piciyay20:16
Myrttithat's enough of games for me20:16
topylimneptok: yes ambrosia is of course still in the credits20:16
topylimneptok: have you ever read the README for xgalaga?20:16
topyliif not, do it :)20:17
topylithe author talks about the wonderful graphics he was able to create thanks to this great library20:17
topylihe also warns that it is a memory hog20:17
jussi01ikonia: pm?20:17
* mneptok gets a src .deb20:17
topylimneptok: it's in blah/blah/doc/xgalaga20:18
MyrttiI should reconfigure mpd20:18
* jussi01 just learnt a stupidly basic thing on the guitar... but it makes songs sound _much_ better :D20:18
jussi01btw topyli, when are you coming to visit me?20:19
topylihmm20:19
topylithere's a money problem. i should create an important business trip20:20
jussi01hehe20:20
jussi01topyli: where do you work again?20:20
mneptoktopyli: i think that's one of those README files that just made it to UTF-8 from cuneiform and clay. ;)20:21
Myrttijussi01: cs.helsinki.fi20:21
jussi01heh20:21
topylii work at the goddamn university, writing that stupid dissertation so that they can get their money, while doing research at this damn project studying knowledge production within diabetic peer groups20:21
topylidamn it!20:22
topyliMyrtti: not cs20:22
Myrttitopyli: somewhere there anyway20:22
* jussi01 huggles topyli20:22
* Myrtti waves her hands20:22
Myrttilet's all get recruited by jussi01's employer20:22
* Tm_T dies20:22
topylijussi01: hire me to a sane job20:22
jussi01topyli: if the damned credit crunch didnt come, I would!!20:22
* Myrtti grunts something inaudible about writing yet another goddamn prestudy20:23
topylijussi01: oooo the perfect excuse! :)20:23
jussi01hehe20:23
PiciCan I be annoyed too?20:23
topyliPici: please do20:23
jussi01topyli: well luxury goods are the first to suffer...20:23
jussi01Pici: no, wait your turn!20:24
jussi01:P20:24
topylii can hardly afford beer!20:24
* Myrtti says nothing20:24
* jussi01 goes to play more bob dylan...20:24
Tm_Ttopyli: well, I haven't got any income since last month20:25
topyli:(20:26
Tm_Tdid I won something?20:26
PiciI'm just annoyed that I was asked to do the same exact (sql)report that my coworker was asked to do.  Supposedly mine was supposed to be the 'quick and dirty' version... but they never told me that.20:26
jussi01Pici: that sucks20:27
topylii have project money until the end of may. then i will likely get a small grant that will last 3 or 4 months20:27
jussi01Tm_T: you won the right to have no cash20:27
topylithen i'll hopefully have the damn book and get the magic phd20:27
topylithen i'll have to get a job or have a pretty good research plan. a job would be more sane20:28
MattJAmy_Swallows is spamming people who join #ubuntu20:28
jpds!staff | [ ~Amy_Swallows!n=DarrenJo@77-99-168-121.cable.ubr04.camd.blueyonder.co.uk  ] watch me swallow all that yummy spunk on my cam xXx 20:29
ubottu[ ~Amy_Swallows!n=DarrenJo@77-99-168-121.cable.ubr04.camd.blueyonder.co.uk  ] watch me swallow all that yummy spunk on my cam xXx: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could  use a bit of your time :)20:29
SportChickjpds: what chan?20:29
jpdsSportChick: #ubuntu20:30
tomawfixed already20:31
SportChickyeah I saw, thanks tomaw 20:31
tomawit spammed me when I joined one if its channels20:32
MattJThanks :)20:32
naliothjpds: that isn't necessary20:36
naliothshooting a cop in the head while demonstrating what you witnessed is NOT how to do things20:36
jdonglol I like that analogy20:41
mneptoknalioth: wait .... really?20:44
* mneptok has been doing it wrong20:44
* nalioth NOTs mneptok 20:44
topylii believe a fist fight is now the only way20:45
mneptokmake it clothing-optional and i'll consider it.20:46
Myrttiyou lost me there fellers20:51
MyrttiOH COOL I'VE MISPLACED MY INTERNET BANKING KEYS20:52
topylithere you go20:54
jdonglol21:05
jdongI love the bank of america thing that gives you the "security picture"21:05
jdongmy label on it is always "This ain't the right one. TAKE THAT HACKER"21:06
MyrttiFAIL.21:13
Myrtti*sigh*21:14
Myrttiguess what I just realised21:23
MyrttiI was in FOSDEM, right? there was this fellow who was at LUGRadio Live last summer. He didn't have Debian Women shirts then, and he forgot to make them.21:23
Myrttiso I saw him now in FOSDEM and poked him21:24
Myrtti"where's me shirts"21:24
MyrttiI now realised *who* I poked.21:24
* Myrtti facepalms and blushes21:24
Myrtti*whistle*21:25
mneptokSteve Ballmer?21:27
MyrttiSteve McIntyre21:28
ikoniawhat's the format for removing multiple bans in one go21:48
ikoniaI can never remember this21:48
Myrtti/mode -bbb ban1 ban2 ban321:49
jussi01ikonia: -bbbb ban ban ban ban iirc (test I *might* be worng)21:49
MyrttiI think three is the maximum21:49
Myrttimight be wrong21:49
jussi01I thought it was 421:49
Myrtti:-P21:49
ikoniaI'll play safe with 321:50
ikoniathere we go, that should clean up a bit21:58
mneptokikonia: most ircd's define 5 as a max21:59
ikoniamneptok: good to know22:00
mneptokm4v: how may we help you?22:00
m4vmneptok: nop, sorry. I'm leaving.22:01
naliothit is as many as you want22:02
ikonianalioth: or really, cool22:02
Jack_SparrowThat sources list is a disaster....... http://paste.ubuntu.com/117035/22:11
mneptokomg22:13
Jack_SparrowAnd he wonders why he has issues22:13
Myrtti"oops"22:13
mneptokall it's missing is: deb http://windows.microsoft.com/vista sp1 main22:13
Jack_Sparrow:)22:15
Jack_Sparrowtoo funny22:15
Myrtti3AHAAA22:16
Myrttifound it22:16
jussi01mneptok: rofl...22:17
ikonianot good22:18
Myrttioh carp and other fishes22:19
* Myrtti didn't realise her phone/adsl bill was due today too22:24
Jack_SparrowMyrtti Time for me to go outside in shorts and t-shirt and light the BBQ and get dinner started ..  :)22:34
* Myrtti 's head implodes22:34
ikoniawho's a know web "goto" guy who's trusted22:34
Myrttiubottu: tell RAMDAC about pm22:35
Seeker`ikonia: ?22:36
ikoniaSeeker`: getting stuck in a rut doing some html stuff22:38
ikoniaI have a crappy design eye22:38
Myrttiikonia: as weird as it may seem, you might want to poke snuxoll if you can't find anyone else. He knows his stuff22:39
ikoniano, he's been useful in the past22:40
ikoniahe just didn't appear active22:40
ikonianothing odd about snuxoll's web ability22:40
mneptokikonia: he was active a few hours ago.22:40
mneptokikonia: 15:40 in his aprt of the world22:40
mneptok*part22:40
ikoniahe's there22:41
Myrttigraaah lag I hates it22:45
ubotturww called the ops in #ubuntu ()23:19
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)23:20
topylii'm going to bed. i'm leavng mikem, nbeebo and a couple of paranoid users on -ot23:20
topyligood night 23:20
=== jdong_ is now known as jdong
PiciPricey: May we set -r on #ubuntu now23:55
Priceysure23:55
Priceywas just about to during the shameless break 8-)23:55

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