[01:13] In #ubuntu-offtopic, meoblast001 said: !meoblast001 is 001001001 [01:47] jrib: ping [01:50] tritium: hey [01:50] Hi jrib. Do you still need those logs? [01:50] tritium: bazhang had them, thanks [01:50] jrib: ok, cool. [01:54] Does anyone have any opinions on bruenig? iirc I've banned him once before and he was unbanned. But he has always been a troll who knows how to stay close to the line. If you check logs from about 20 hours ago, you'll see he was up to no good. He's a regular and should know better. Here's the conversation happening in #archlinux-offtopic at the same time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116662/ [01:55] I will be banning him unless anyone can give me a good reason not to [02:00] jrib: do you have logs from #ubuntu for the same time period? [02:00] tritium: sure, give me a sec [02:02] jrib: looks like bruenig pasted a link to a log himself, actually [02:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/116665/ [02:03] yes, that too [02:04] jrib: I have no problem with a ban. [02:09] jrib: no problem here either. Looks like we should keep an eye on a few others as well. [02:10] indeed, alright I'll ban now [02:24] jrib: how long you think that will last? Should it be based on nick, perhaps? [02:27] tritium: sure, at least it will make it harder for him I suppose [02:29] jrib: it's up to you [02:50] nice call jrib [02:58] jrib: he's active now [03:18] * tritium waits for DigitalKiwi to follow... [03:19] excuse me dear fellows, I find that my subnet has a mode +b attached to it in channel proper, I do not know what caused such a mode to be placed on it and so I inquire [03:19] bruenig: scroll up a few lines in #archlinux-offtopic, I think it should be pretty clear [03:19] this is merely fan fiction [03:19] what's more [03:20] you will find that mindrape being the aggressor got his comeuppance thus providing the aforementioned win [03:20] bruenig: your ban will not be lifted anytime soon [03:20] this is foolish sir [03:21] how do I get +b by responding to criticism of myself [03:22] when have I ever gone into #ubuntu for some purposes? I merely idle and every so often in channel lulz look for the ability to help. When out of nowhere someone makes some comment about me while I have clearly done nothing to him, I respond [03:22] this elicits a ban? [03:22] of all things, I idle, someone attacks me, and I respond [03:22] bruenig: how did you respond? [03:22] in channel lulls [03:23] * [03:23] well I told him he should mind his own business [03:23] then he called me retarded [03:23] then I said he was dropped on his head [03:23] this sort of spiraled until I called the ops on him [03:23] bruenig: but you've admitted before to trolling in the channel [03:24] tritium: I specifically told you that I do not troll in the channel [03:24] that I trolled in #crunchbang [03:24] because I mean let's be honest crunchbang is a joke [03:24] bruenig: that's not how I recall it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there [03:24] well I have logs [03:25] http://rafb.net/p/Q3F7QH63.html [03:26] bruenig: as I said, I gave you the benefit of the doubt [03:26] well you needn't give only that! [03:26] evidence! [03:27] in any event, this is a bizarre ban, I thought it was hilarious that I got a dude banned after he went after me for ircing as root, as if here were some sort white knight brain trust of linux knowledge [03:27] bruenig: you've produced yours. So, +1 for you. My recollection is from #archlinux-offtopic, but I cannot produce a link at present. [03:27] hmm [03:27] bruenig: the ban is related to your actions, not that of others [03:28] all I am seeing in archlinux-offtopic is me referring to it as a win [03:28] not as a troll [03:28] 21:11 bruenig DigitalKiwi: did you see #ubuntu win yet? [03:28] bruenig: it was days, possibly weeks, ago [03:28] oh I see [03:29] well this is a strange time to pull the trigger on that [03:29] I didn't. [03:29] oh [03:29] jrib: explain! [03:30] surely actions must be understood in context, perhaps not the best course of action, but I think at least someone understandable given the provocation [03:31] http://rafb.net/p/SNsYjV26.html is not acceptable and you know it. On top of that, you treat what you've done as some sort of show for #archlinux-offtopic [03:31] Which make your intentions quite clear [03:31] yes it is a show because this aggressive idiot got nailed [03:31] makes even [03:32] intentions? [03:32] I pursued him to come after me? [03:32] this is entirely a responsive thing on my end [03:32] that is the sense in which it is a show [03:32] or a win [03:32] 00:21 * mindrape stares at bruenig and contemplates a don't IRC as root rant... [03:32] 00:22 bruenig mindrape: mind your own business moron [03:32] those are the first two lines [03:32] indeed [03:33] he starts [03:33] seems clear who provoked who [03:33] he starts, what do you mean who provoked who, I was just idling along [03:33] and you make comments in #archlinux-offtopic before anyone was banned [03:33] yeah I said that there was a flame fest going on in there [03:33] not ircing as root is sane advice [03:34] I did not pursue that advice and to present yourself like that is clearly condescending [03:34] to present himself like that [03:35] * [03:36] in any event, the point is, I was provoked initially, this is entirely atypical of me [03:36] as you are well aware [03:36] no, your name is not new here [03:36] I was not looking for a fight, I wasn't even looking at the channel [03:36] the last time I was in here was because I pinged the channel [03:36] big woop [03:37] that must have been 5 months or so ago [03:37] I don't mean new in this channel. [03:37] it was before I was banned from #archlinux which was a long time ago [03:38] In any case, it's clear to me you could have stopped the event early on but didn't and instead tried to continue it when you know that this is not the purpose of #ubuntu [03:40] hmmm [03:40] well [03:40] obviously there are things I could have done, I eventually got around to doing the right thing [03:41] I think given that I was not the instigator and that there is no track record of anything like this, that it is a bit of an overreach based almost purely on your bad interpretations of my talking about the incident in archlinux OT [03:44] You *were* an instigator [03:44] This is the problem. [03:44] And you were fully aware of it. Just as you are now [03:45] Again, this is made even clearer from your comments in #archlinux-offtopic. Both at the time it was happening and more recently [03:48] my comments recently talk of win [03:48] win in the sense that mindrape came after me and I defeated him [03:49] bruenig: do you have anything else to add? [03:49] lulz? [03:50] you guys are quite absurd [03:50] to think that this one incident after months and years of nothing is just strange [03:50] was I trolling for him to criticize me? no of course not [03:50] well the troll raids from #archlinux-offtopic have gotten quite annoying [03:51] I just think that in terms of prevention [03:51] this doesn't make sense [03:51] jrib: when have I ever been involved? [03:51] other than this past time, I don't know [03:51] I am not ever, I mean other people do it, I don't do it [03:51] I think it is silly to troll a channel like ubuntu like my tritium paste explained [03:52] all you ever get is confusion [03:52] LoCo meeting nearly done. I'll be back shortly. [03:52] jrib: and this paste time was not a "troll raid" I was idling minding my own business and was confronted by someone [03:52] you say the confrontation wasn't as bad as I think it was, but still, this was not me pursuing something, it was reactive [03:53] past* [03:55] OK, I'm back. [03:55] woot! [03:56] * nalioth runs [03:56] jrib: anything to address? [03:57] bruenig: do you have any questions I didn't answer? [03:58] bruenig: I didn't say anything about how bad you thought the confrontation was, but I did say that your response was unacceptable and that I believe, as a regular, you were aware of this [03:59] Hi nalioth. [04:00] It's amazing to read some of what skyopomp, thewizord, and Ferrenrock have to say about #ubuntu, and yet they continue to /join. [04:01] jrib: but I don't understand your criteria that makes you think this makes sense [04:01] do you feel that I am somehow a threat to the channel and disruptive? [04:01] bruenig: last night, you were very disruptive, yes [04:01] on the occasion that I say anything in #ubuntu, it is usually in quick spurts of helping [04:01] jrib: yes but is this ban meant to be a preventative thing? [04:01] tritium: you skiing yet? [04:01] or is this just like a revenge thing [04:01] bruenig: revenge? [04:01] nalioth: no, but I should be [04:02] is there something I should know about? [04:02] jrib: revenge may not be the right word [04:02] you understand that there are different theories of punishment. For instance some people say jails should exist to rehabilitate criminals and make them able to work better outside whereas others think it should just punishment pure and simple and it doesn't matter [04:03] so what I am confused by is what this ban is supposed to do? If you do not think I am likely to do anything like this, the ban is rather pointless in terms of what is beneficial to the channel [04:03] given that I either 1) don't say anything or 2) help [04:03] Hey, what's this channel for? [04:03] I can't get into the ubuntu channel. [04:03] I don't really undestand why, I haven't really ever said anything in #ubuntu, I just go there to read. [04:04] @bansearch JamesMowery [04:04] Match: *!*@pool-71-253-251-130.nrflva.east.verizon.net!#ubuntu-ops by Flannel in #ubuntu on Feb 08 2009 21:53:03 (ID: 9847) [04:04] I'm new to this IRC thing. I'm mainly in #django, but I'm planning on running on #ubuntu [04:04] So I have questions in the future about the OS. [04:04] @btlogin [04:05] if I were at all interested in disrupting #ubuntu, I would participate in these famed raids you all tell me about [04:05] this was more a bruenig v. mindrape thing than anything to do with the channel, the channel was purely coincidental [04:05] JamesMowery: you're in the bantracker more than once. [04:05] What does that mean? [04:05] I don't really understand... [04:06] JamesMowery: it appears you've been warned multiple times about /away messages spamming the channel. [04:06] What are /away messages? [04:07] I don't send any messages in there though. [04:07] JamesMowery: when you set yourself away, you change your nick. I see Flannel has asked you on multiple occasions to disable that. It spams the channel unnecessarily. [04:07] bruenig: your ban is a combination of the following: 1) You responded inappropriately. 2) You advertised the situation to #archlinux-offtopic and then continued non-support discussion with them once they joined. 3) You prolonged the discussion that wasn't at all related to support and was inappropriate at times. If just one of these things had happened and if you were new and were not aware that all [04:07] of these things are unacceptable, then I would not ban you, but just warn you. But this is not the case. [04:07] JamesMowery: e.g., JamesMowery|away [04:07] How do you disable that? [04:08] I didn't even know. [04:08] JamesMowery: in your irc client. [04:08] I just installed this new IRC program on my Mac called Linkinus. [04:08] Don't really know what to look for. [04:08] JamesMowery: sorry, can't help you there. [04:09] Well, that kinda blows. I was banned forever, and I didn't even know I was doing anything wrong. [04:09] Was hoping to learn from the #ubuntu room. [04:09] JamesMowery: I understand. [04:10] Have you seen the requests from Flannel before? [04:10] JamesMowery, look through the settings for Away Message, or something to that effect [04:10] Is Flannel a person? [04:10] JamesMowery: yes, one of the ops. [04:10] jrib: do you believe those things are likely to happen again though [04:11] On the settings, it says "When going away... " Use message: "Be back later" [04:11] that is the chief question to me, is this a ban to prevent me from the inevitable havoc I am meant to wreak or is this just punishment [04:11] JamesMowery: this is what happens when you do that: [04:11] 2009-01-20T02:33:45 *** JamesMowery is now known as JamesMowery|away [04:11] JamesMowery: please disable that setting [04:11] JamesMowery, I discussed it with him when he set it; he thought it likely you didn't realize it was happening but since ubuntu is a busy channel we try to keep out the extraneous lines/comments/etc [04:11] Oh, it says "Append suffics to preferred nickname: |away [04:11] suffix* [04:11] I didn't know about that. [04:11] JamesMowery: please disable that one too. [04:11] I've never even messed with any of them settings, but I just turned them all off. [04:12] bruenig: the ban serves to ensure that 1) you do not disrupt the channel again and 2) it becomes clear that coordinated efforts to disrupt #ubuntu from other channels (such as #archlinux-offtopic) result in bans [04:12] bruenig: I didn't think you cared so much about being in #ubuntu, actually. [04:12] So, hopefully it is fixed now. [04:12] JamesMowery: thank you. [04:12] Hopefully it won't bug anyone else in any rooms now :) [04:12] jrib: ok so you do honstly believe that I disrupt the channel [04:12] like often [04:12] I still got a lot to learn about this IRC stuff. [04:13] that is bizarre [04:13] Flannel: ping [04:13] JamesMowery: please sit tight for a bit. We typically respect each other's bans, and don't remove them without concurrence. [04:14] tritium, if you can't reach flannel, I'm sure he won't have a problem with this ban being lifted. Like I said earlier, we had discussed it [04:14] nickrud: you had? OK. [04:14] @btlogin [04:14] @login [04:14] The operation succeeded. [04:14] @btlogin [04:14] how much do you guys get paid for this? [04:15] bruenig: we are volunteers [04:15] 0_0 [04:15] we get paid with loooove [04:15] seems a bit of an overwhelming situation for no pay [04:15] bruenig: what was that for? [04:15] That's fine tritium, I just wish I would have known about all these settings before I started on the IRC. I had trouble enough trying to figure out how to register my nickname. :D [04:15] JamesMowery: I'm working on it now. [04:16] * nickrud kicks nalioth [04:16] * nalioth bites nickrud's leg off [04:16] JamesMowery: please try to join now. [04:16] typical texan, no sense of proportion ;) [04:16] bruenig: 21:14 bruenig [n=root@12.159.29.3] requested CTCP PING from tritium: [04:16] Awesome, it worked :D [04:17] JamesMowery: good. Thanks for changing those settings. Good luck to you. [04:17] tritium: you pinged so I thought I would ping [04:17] thanks for the help tritium, much appreciated :) [04:17] bruenig: I pinged? [04:17] people get really fired up about pings and versions, it is kind of strange I don't think anyone of them knows why either [04:17] tritium: your highlight ping for Flannel [04:18] Yes, that was to address JamesMowery's issue. It had nothing to do with you. [04:18] I know [04:18] Bizarre response on your part, if you ask me. [04:18] I was just playing around [04:19] do you know why people go so crazy about that though, is there some explanation to the pinging paranoia? [04:19] bruenig: are we assisting you with something? [04:19] well I got banned for some crazy trumped up stuff [04:21] it seems like the main reason was a misinterpretation of something that happened on an entire other channel, which I find a rather weak reason to +b someone, especially someone who has no record of doing anything [04:22] bruenig: it's disappointing to see you stand by idle, while your #archlinux-offtopic counterparts troll raid #ubuntu [04:23] they don't even tell me [04:23] I swear they are launching that stuff from #archlinux [04:23] I mean like ushdf or whatever, he didn't say anything at all to anyone, he just went up and did it [04:24] he is banned from #archlinux too so I don't know what he was doing [04:24] just personal laughs I guess [04:25] Where does this hostility from arch come from? [04:26] honestly I think it is just boredom [04:26] no one comes into #archlinux ever for questions [04:26] I mean it is an advanced distro and all of that jazz, so the channel just doesn't go anywhere [04:27] I personally try to fix that by going offtopic, but then they ban me for being OT in the support channel, so whatever [04:33] I'm off to bed, night [04:34] jrib: u's crazy [04:34] jrib: good night [04:35] I'm heading to bed soon as well. [04:35] Who's responsible for Ertyle? He's not working at the moment. [04:37] LjL: ping [06:10] tritium: I'll comment on my bans if I have issues with others removing them. I don't think there's any reason bans that are mostly clerical (like that one) need to really be discussed anyway. [06:12] Flannel: fair enough. I just didn't want to step on your toes. [06:12] I did in fact remove the ban. [06:13] That's good. He just needed something more noteworthy than repeated ubottu messages and removals, apparently. [06:13] I guess so. [06:15] Glad he got it all figured out finally. [06:16] Me too. [06:16] How's school? [06:17] Good. Somewhat busy so far. But it hasn't really gotten busy yet. I imagine I'll wind up exploding circa late April. Although I'm trying to frontload all of the work in my design classes so that's mitigated. [06:18] I hope it all goes well for you. [06:18] I'm going to run off this weekend and go backpacking, which should be good. Although it just means SCaLE planning is going to be crazier this and next week :) [06:18] :) [06:19] Oh, I'll definately get through it. It'll just be the difference between 2 and 4 hours of sleep a night for a few months. [06:19] I'm hoping for four, in case anyone was wondering :) [06:20] That would be preferable ;) [06:21] Speaking of sleep, I think I'll get some. Have a good night. [06:22] Night [07:31] coolguy-89, megaspammer #ubuntu [07:32] suigeneris called the ops in #ubuntu (coolguy891) [07:32] UbuntuWifiFails, general troll, #ubuntu [07:32] enjoy [08:05] erm [08:05] Oh! [08:12] Here we go! [08:33] hello [08:34] Howdy Myrtti [08:35] * Panarchy says Hi [08:35] Can I please be unbanned from the #ubuntu channel? [08:35] Thanks in advance. [08:41] JamesMowery: you can leave the channel now [08:41] Can I please be unbanned from the #ubuntu channel? [08:41] Thanks in advance. [08:42] * Myrtti checks [08:43] oh my [08:43] Panarchy: sorry [08:43] Panarchy: not going to happen anytime soon [08:43] Panarchy: I believe the last time you were in here, you were asked to come back when you could demonstrate sufficient reason for us to allow you back in. [08:43] ah [08:44] Well I've made process on almost every project I'm working on. And think that with my now sufficient knowledge that I will have a lot to give back to the Ubuntu community [08:45] ikonia: ^ [08:47] Panarchy: I believe the matter at hand isn't a knowledge issue, but a disciplinary and/or self control issue. [08:47] We certainly don't screen people in #ubuntu based on their knowledge [08:53] But by learning what I have learnt I have shown discipline [08:56] Panarchy: Unfortunately we have evidence to the contrary, which is why, if I remember correctly, you were asked to come back with a 'sponsorship' from an Ubuntu member. [08:56] a discipline, but not the discipline we are looking for. [08:56] If you like, I can show you my TODO list and how much progess I have been making [08:56] Panarchy, this isnt about achievement. this is about behaviour. [08:57] Panarchy, basically we need something other than a 'F minus' in the box that says 'plays well with others' [09:00] lol [09:00] * Panarchy goes back to working on his Linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -] [09:01] * elky is tempted to mark that as spamming [09:01] for the logs do not unban panarchy please [09:01] he spammed 11 channels the other day because it was "funny" [09:01] his response to the people in #solaris who tried to help him was "fuck you" [09:02] he has been a pain flooding/spamming ##linux and ##windows [09:02] @mark [09:02] (mark [] []) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if was kicked from with the comment , if is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, is only needed when send in /msg [09:02] elky: I said the same thing last time! [09:02] he is not showing he can grasp the concept of irc or other channels topic's rules, I have no reason to think he can grasp ubuntus [09:02] ikonia, which is exactly why i placed the conditions on him that i did [09:03] ikonia: Oh, don't worry about me. He'd have to have some pretty solid evidence. [09:03] ikonia, we are not preventing him getting back in. his continued bad behaviour is. [09:04] nope, just making it clear for the recording he's a real pain and cannot participate in any channel - not just ubuntu [09:04] @mark Panarchy see the log snapshot for spam and history of behaviour elsewhere [09:04] The operation succeeded. [09:04] elky: It's actually already in the BT [09:05] Flannel, oh, i know, but i'm just reinforcing now [09:05] now in ##apple asking about virtualization on hackintosh [09:06] well, i'm quite envious of vmware fusion... [09:07] he just left after being busted [09:07] heh [09:12] ikonia: pm [09:12] you got it [10:27] * tonyyarusso 's mind is being slowly crushed by users with poor English skills :( [10:28] * jussi01 crushes tonyyarusso with a failblog conspiracy theory - Rainbows in sprinklers! :P [10:29] hehe [10:29] that just cracked me up... [10:29] It makes me sad that we let that lady vote. [10:29] yeah [10:54] @bansearch Daemonic [10:54] No matches found for daemonic!n=daemonic@adsl-69-154-31-162.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net in any channel [10:55] Myrtti: I removed him as he managed to even make a slur in his apologies [10:55] "sorry Russian" [10:55] ikonia: ... [10:55] erm [10:56] just not acceptable [10:56] ikonia: that was the other guys nickname [10:56] I know [11:01] strangely coherent and nice in pm [11:02] really - been a bit of a jerk in ##linux [11:02] not as bad as in #ubuntu [11:02] and his real name is "jackass" [11:02] just seems to mess around [11:06] * jussi01 prods ikonia [12:13] nickrud: a prime bullguard example in #ubuntu now [12:15] yep [12:16] I reckon it's time for spinach pancakes [12:16] Myrtti: wow, nice [12:16] Spinach Pasta maybe, but pancakes? [12:16] could work, savoiury [12:19] basic stuff in Finland [12:19] they sell them in packs, ready made. microwave for two minutes, enjoy with lingonberry jam. [12:19] omnomnom [12:21] Myrtti: thats a finish dish ? [12:21] traditional or just popular [12:24] both [12:24] original recipe is with nettles [12:24] never heard of it [12:24] makes my tastebuds tingle though, fancy trying it [12:31] easy enough to make and try [12:31] true [12:32] make pancake dough, apply spinach until healthy [12:33] "buy" pancacke dough [12:33] close enough [12:33] good good [12:33] I'll try it [12:34] pankakes ala Myrtti [12:34] 150 g frozen spinach, 1 egg, 3 dl skimmed milk, 1.5 dl wheat flour, 2 tbsp butter, 0.25 teaspoon salt, frying: 2 tbsp butter [12:35] Chop the spinach .. alot [12:35] yup [12:35] only wheat flour? [12:36] elky: that's the basic recipe, feel free to adjust to own taste and palate :-) [12:36] http://plaza.fi/ellit/ideakeittio/ruokaohjeet/helpot-pinaattiletut [12:36] buckwheat ftw [12:36] i should be writing but i keep opting for xgalaga [12:36] ahhh elky I meant to ask you yesteday, now time has past what good applications hav eyou found for the e71 [12:37] ikonia, havent added anything else really. you? [12:37] not so much, finding choice of "main" apps limited, [12:37] frozen bubble! [12:37] topyli, that was either the first or second thing installed [12:38] if not the first, the first was putty [12:38] :) [12:38] actually, i'm pretty sure the first thing was putty [12:38] putty has copy/paste now, and white-on-black scheme [12:38] this makes me happy [12:39] indeed it was, putty, fr.bubble, mirggi [12:39] I've got putty - that's pretty solid [12:40] i wish we had scp though [12:40] yes, that would be cool to get data/on off [12:42] I was dicussing with someone yesterday (which prompted me to think of elky) about how some of the core "apps" that other smart phones such as iphone/blackberry/HTC etc where covering, flickr/facebook/myspace etc etc [12:44] it was suprising that nokia/open community hadn't put anything together [12:45] yeah, thats a sore point [12:45] flickr it does have [12:45] but only kinda [12:45] facebook's m.facebook.com is satisfactory, but not as good as an actual app could be [12:46] myspace can diabcf [12:46] x.facebook.com [12:46] oh? [12:46] yup [12:47] just odd that the open platform is the one that is lacking the most [12:47] I had no argument to defend my discussion [12:47]