[01:47] <tritium> jrib: ping
[01:50] <jrib> tritium: hey
[01:50] <tritium> Hi jrib.  Do you still need those logs?
[01:50] <jrib> tritium: bazhang had them, thanks
[01:50] <tritium> jrib: ok, cool.
[01:54] <jrib> Does anyone have any opinions on bruenig?  iirc I've banned him once before and he was unbanned.  But he has always been a troll who knows how to stay close to the line.  If you check logs from about 20 hours ago, you'll see he was up to no good.  He's a regular and should know better.  Here's the conversation happening in #archlinux-offtopic at the same time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116662/
[01:55] <jrib> I will be banning him unless anyone can give me a good reason not to
[02:00] <tritium> jrib: do you have logs from #ubuntu for the same time period?
[02:00] <jrib> tritium: sure, give me a sec
[02:02] <tritium> jrib: looks like bruenig pasted a link to a log himself, actually
[02:03] <jrib> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116665/
[02:03] <jrib> yes, that too
[02:04] <Pici> jrib: I have no problem with a ban.
[02:09] <tritium> jrib: no problem here either.  Looks like we should keep an eye on a few others as well.
[02:10] <jrib> indeed, alright I'll ban now
[02:24] <tritium> jrib: how long you think that will last?  Should it be based on nick, perhaps?
[02:27] <jrib> tritium: sure, at least it will make it harder for him I suppose
[02:29] <tritium> jrib: it's up to you
[02:50] <nickrud> nice call jrib 
[02:58] <tritium> jrib: he's active now
[03:18]  * tritium waits for DigitalKiwi to follow...
[03:19] <bruenig> excuse me dear fellows, I find that my subnet has a mode +b attached to it in channel proper, I do not know what caused such a mode to be placed on it and so I inquire
[03:19] <jrib> bruenig: scroll up a few lines in #archlinux-offtopic, I think it should be pretty clear
[03:19] <bruenig> this is merely fan fiction
[03:19] <bruenig> what's more
[03:20] <bruenig> you will find that mindrape being the aggressor got his comeuppance thus providing the aforementioned win
[03:20] <jrib> bruenig: your ban will not be lifted anytime soon
[03:20] <bruenig> this is foolish sir
[03:21] <bruenig> how do I get +b by responding to criticism of myself
[03:22] <bruenig> when have I ever gone into #ubuntu for some purposes? I merely idle and every so often in channel lulz look for the ability to help. When out of nowhere someone makes some comment about me while I have clearly done nothing to him, I respond
[03:22] <bruenig> this elicits a ban?
[03:22] <bruenig> of all things, I idle, someone attacks me, and I respond
[03:22] <jrib> bruenig: how did you respond?
[03:22] <bruenig> in channel lulls
[03:23] <bruenig> *
[03:23] <bruenig> well I told him he should mind his own business
[03:23] <bruenig> then he called me retarded
[03:23] <bruenig> then I said he was dropped on his head
[03:23] <bruenig> this sort of spiraled until I called the ops on him
[03:23] <tritium> bruenig: but you've admitted before to trolling in the channel
[03:24] <bruenig> tritium: I specifically told you that I do not troll in the channel
[03:24] <bruenig> that I trolled in #crunchbang
[03:24] <bruenig> because I mean let's be honest crunchbang is a joke
[03:24] <tritium> bruenig: that's not how I recall it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there
[03:24] <bruenig> well I have logs
[03:25] <bruenig> http://rafb.net/p/Q3F7QH63.html
[03:26] <tritium> bruenig: as I said, I gave you the benefit of the doubt
[03:26] <bruenig> well you needn't give only that!
[03:26] <bruenig> evidence!
[03:27] <bruenig> in any event, this is a bizarre ban, I thought it was hilarious that I got a dude banned after he went after me for ircing as root, as if here were some sort white knight brain trust of linux knowledge
[03:27] <tritium> bruenig: you've produced yours.  So, +1 for you.  My recollection is from #archlinux-offtopic, but I cannot produce a link at present.
[03:27] <bruenig> hmm
[03:27] <jrib> bruenig: the ban is related to your actions, not that of others
[03:28] <bruenig> all I am seeing in archlinux-offtopic is me referring to it as a win
[03:28] <bruenig> not as a troll
[03:28] <bruenig> 21:11        bruenig DigitalKiwi: did you see #ubuntu win yet?
[03:28] <tritium> bruenig: it was days, possibly weeks, ago
[03:28] <bruenig> oh I see
[03:29] <bruenig> well this is a strange time to pull the trigger on that
[03:29] <tritium> I didn't.
[03:29] <bruenig> oh
[03:29] <bruenig> jrib: explain!
[03:30] <bruenig> surely actions must be understood in context, perhaps not the best course of action, but I think at least someone understandable given the provocation
[03:31] <jrib> http://rafb.net/p/SNsYjV26.html is not acceptable and you know it.  On top of that, you treat what you've done as some sort of show for #archlinux-offtopic 
[03:31] <jrib> Which make your intentions quite clear
[03:31] <bruenig> yes it is a show because this aggressive idiot got nailed
[03:31] <jrib> makes even
[03:32] <bruenig> intentions?
[03:32] <bruenig> I pursued him to come after me?
[03:32] <bruenig> this is entirely a responsive thing on my end
[03:32] <bruenig> that is the sense in which it is a show
[03:32] <bruenig> or a win
[03:32] <jrib> 00:21 *     mindrape stares at bruenig and contemplates a don't IRC as root rant...
[03:32] <jrib> 00:22        bruenig mindrape: mind your own business moron
[03:32] <jrib> those are the first two lines
[03:32] <bruenig> indeed
[03:33] <bruenig> he starts
[03:33] <jrib> seems clear who provoked who
[03:33] <bruenig> he starts, what do you mean who provoked who, I was just idling along
[03:33] <jrib> and you make comments in #archlinux-offtopic before anyone was banned
[03:33] <bruenig> yeah I said that there was a flame fest going on in there
[03:33] <jrib> not ircing as root is sane advice
[03:34] <bruenig> I did not pursue that advice and to present yourself like that is clearly condescending
[03:34] <bruenig> to present himself like that
[03:35] <bruenig> *
[03:36] <bruenig> in any event, the point is, I was provoked initially, this is entirely atypical of me
[03:36] <bruenig> as you are well aware
[03:36] <jrib> no, your name is not new here
[03:36] <bruenig> I was not looking for a fight, I wasn't even looking at the channel
[03:36] <bruenig> the last time I was in here was because I pinged the channel
[03:36] <bruenig> big woop
[03:37] <bruenig> that must have been 5 months or so ago
[03:37] <jrib> I don't mean new in this channel.
[03:37] <bruenig> it was before I was banned from #archlinux which was a long time ago
[03:38] <jrib> In any case, it's clear to me you could have stopped the event early on but didn't and instead tried to continue it when you know that this is not the purpose of #ubuntu
[03:40] <bruenig> hmmm
[03:40] <bruenig> well
[03:40] <bruenig> obviously there are things I could have done, I eventually got around to doing the right thing
[03:41] <bruenig> I think given that I was not the instigator and that there is no track record of anything like this, that it is a bit of an overreach based almost purely on your bad interpretations of my talking about the incident in archlinux OT
[03:44] <jrib> You *were* an instigator
[03:44] <jrib> This is the problem.
[03:44] <jrib> And you were fully aware of it.  Just as you are now
[03:45] <jrib> Again, this is made even clearer from your comments in #archlinux-offtopic.  Both at the time it was happening and more recently
[03:48] <bruenig> my comments recently talk of win
[03:48] <bruenig> win in the sense that mindrape came after me and I defeated him
[03:49] <jrib> bruenig: do you have anything else to add?
[03:49] <bruenig> lulz?
[03:50] <bruenig> you guys are quite absurd
[03:50] <bruenig> to think that this one incident after months and years of nothing is just strange
[03:50] <bruenig> was I trolling for him to criticize me? no of course not
[03:50] <jrib> well the troll raids from #archlinux-offtopic have gotten quite annoying
[03:51] <bruenig> I just think that in terms of prevention
[03:51] <bruenig> this doesn't make sense
[03:51] <bruenig> jrib: when have I ever been involved?
[03:51] <jrib> other than this past time, I don't know
[03:51] <bruenig> I am not ever, I mean other people do it, I don't do it
[03:51] <bruenig> I think it is silly to troll a channel like ubuntu like my tritium paste explained
[03:52] <bruenig> all you ever get is confusion
[03:52] <tritium> LoCo meeting nearly done.  I'll be back shortly.
[03:52] <bruenig> jrib: and this paste time was not a "troll raid" I was idling minding my own business and was confronted by someone
[03:52] <bruenig> you say the confrontation wasn't as bad as I think it was, but still, this was not me pursuing something, it was reactive
[03:53] <bruenig> past*
[03:55] <tritium> OK, I'm back.
[03:55] <bruenig> woot!
[03:56]  * nalioth runs
[03:56] <tritium> jrib: anything to address?
[03:57] <jrib> bruenig: do you have any questions I didn't answer?
[03:58] <jrib> bruenig: I didn't say anything about how bad you thought the confrontation was, but I did say that your response was unacceptable and that I believe, as a regular, you were aware of this
[03:59] <tritium> Hi nalioth.
[04:00] <tritium> It's amazing to read some of what skyopomp, thewizord, and Ferrenrock have to say about #ubuntu, and yet they continue to /join.
[04:01] <bruenig> jrib: but I don't understand your criteria that makes you think this makes sense
[04:01] <bruenig> do you feel that I am somehow a threat to the channel and disruptive?
[04:01] <jrib> bruenig: last night, you were very disruptive, yes
[04:01] <bruenig> on the occasion that I say anything in #ubuntu, it is usually in quick spurts of helping
[04:01] <bruenig> jrib: yes but is this ban meant to be a preventative thing?
[04:01] <nalioth> tritium: you skiing yet?
[04:01] <bruenig> or is this just like a revenge thing
[04:01] <jrib> bruenig: revenge?
[04:01] <tritium> nalioth: no, but I should be
[04:02] <jrib> is there something I should know about? 
[04:02] <bruenig> jrib: revenge may not be the right word
[04:02] <bruenig> you understand that there are different theories of punishment. For instance some people say jails should exist to rehabilitate criminals and make them able to work better outside whereas others think it should just punishment pure and simple and it doesn't matter
[04:03] <bruenig> so what I am confused by is what this ban is supposed to do? If you do not think I am likely to do anything like this, the ban is rather pointless in terms of what is beneficial to the channel
[04:03] <bruenig> given that I either 1) don't say anything or 2) help
[04:03] <JamesMowery> Hey, what's this channel for?
[04:03] <JamesMowery> I can't get into the ubuntu channel.
[04:03] <JamesMowery> I don't really undestand why, I haven't really ever said anything in #ubuntu, I just go there to read.
[04:04] <jrib> @bansearch JamesMowery 
[04:04] <JamesMowery> I'm new to this IRC thing. I'm mainly in #django, but I'm planning on running on #ubuntu
[04:04] <JamesMowery> So I have questions in the future about the OS.
[04:04] <tritium> @btlogin
[04:05] <bruenig> if I were at all interested in disrupting #ubuntu, I would participate in these famed raids you all tell me about
[04:05] <bruenig> this was more a bruenig v. mindrape thing than anything to do with the channel, the channel was purely coincidental
[04:05] <tritium> JamesMowery: you're in the bantracker more than once.
[04:05] <JamesMowery> What does that mean?
[04:05] <JamesMowery> I don't really understand...
[04:06] <tritium> JamesMowery: it appears you've been warned multiple times about /away messages spamming the channel.
[04:06] <JamesMowery> What are /away messages?
[04:07] <JamesMowery> I don't send any messages in there though.
[04:07] <tritium> JamesMowery: when you set yourself away, you change your nick.  I see Flannel has asked you on multiple occasions to disable that.  It spams the channel unnecessarily.
[04:07] <jrib> bruenig: your ban is a combination of the following: 1) You responded inappropriately.  2) You advertised the situation to #archlinux-offtopic and then continued non-support discussion with them once they joined.  3) You prolonged the discussion that wasn't at all related to support and was inappropriate at times.  If just one of these things had happened and if you were new and were not aware that all 
[04:07] <jrib> of these things are unacceptable, then I would not ban you, but just warn you.  But this is not the case.
[04:07] <tritium> JamesMowery: e.g., JamesMowery|away
[04:07] <JamesMowery> How do you disable that?
[04:08] <JamesMowery> I didn't even know.
[04:08] <tritium> JamesMowery: in your irc client.
[04:08] <JamesMowery> I just installed this new IRC program on my Mac called Linkinus.
[04:08] <JamesMowery> Don't really know what to look for.
[04:08] <tritium> JamesMowery: sorry, can't help you there.
[04:09] <JamesMowery> Well, that kinda blows. I was banned forever, and I didn't even know I was doing anything wrong.
[04:09] <JamesMowery> Was hoping to learn from the #ubuntu room.
[04:09] <tritium> JamesMowery: I understand.
[04:10] <tritium> Have you seen the requests from Flannel before?
[04:10] <nickrud> JamesMowery, look through the settings for Away Message, or something to that effect
[04:10] <JamesMowery> Is Flannel a person?
[04:10] <tritium> JamesMowery: yes, one of the ops.
[04:10] <bruenig> jrib: do you believe those things are likely to happen again though
[04:11] <JamesMowery> On the settings, it says "When going away... " Use message: "Be back later"
[04:11] <bruenig> that is the chief question to me, is this a ban to prevent me from the inevitable havoc I am meant to wreak or is this just punishment
[04:11] <tritium> JamesMowery: this is what happens when you do that:
[04:11] <tritium> 2009-01-20T02:33:45 *** JamesMowery is now known as JamesMowery|away
[04:11] <nalioth> JamesMowery: please disable that setting
[04:11] <nickrud> JamesMowery, I discussed it with him when he set it; he thought it likely you didn't realize it was happening but since ubuntu is a busy channel we try to keep out the extraneous lines/comments/etc
[04:11] <JamesMowery> Oh, it says "Append suffics to preferred nickname: |away
[04:11] <JamesMowery> suffix*
[04:11] <JamesMowery> I didn't know about that.
[04:11] <tritium> JamesMowery: please disable that one too.
[04:11] <JamesMowery> I've never even messed with any of them settings, but I just turned them all off.
[04:12] <jrib> bruenig: the ban serves to ensure that 1) you do not disrupt the channel again and 2) it becomes clear that coordinated efforts to disrupt #ubuntu from other channels (such as #archlinux-offtopic) result in bans
[04:12] <tritium> bruenig: I didn't think you cared so much about being in #ubuntu, actually.
[04:12] <JamesMowery> So, hopefully it is fixed now.
[04:12] <tritium> JamesMowery: thank you.
[04:12] <JamesMowery> Hopefully it won't bug anyone else in any rooms now :)
[04:12] <bruenig> jrib: ok so you do honstly believe that I disrupt the channel
[04:12] <bruenig> like often
[04:12] <JamesMowery> I still got a lot to learn about this IRC stuff.
[04:13] <bruenig> that is bizarre
[04:13] <tritium> Flannel: ping
[04:13] <tritium> JamesMowery: please sit tight for a bit.  We typically respect each other's bans, and don't remove them without concurrence.
[04:14] <nickrud> tritium, if you can't reach flannel, I'm sure he won't have a problem with this ban being lifted. Like I said earlier, we had discussed it
[04:14] <tritium> nickrud: you had?  OK.
[04:14] <nickrud> @btlogin
[04:14] <nickrud> @login
[04:14] <nickrud> @btlogin
[04:14] <bruenig> how much do you guys get paid for this?
[04:15] <jrib> bruenig: we are volunteers
[04:15] <bruenig> 0_0
[04:15] <nalioth> we get paid with loooove
[04:15] <bruenig> seems a bit of an overwhelming situation for no pay
[04:15] <tritium> bruenig: what was that for?
[04:15] <JamesMowery> That's fine tritium, I just wish I would have known about all these settings before I started on the IRC. I had trouble enough trying to figure out how to register my nickname. :D
[04:15] <tritium> JamesMowery: I'm working on it now.
[04:16]  * nickrud kicks nalioth 
[04:16]  * nalioth bites nickrud's leg off
[04:16] <tritium> JamesMowery: please try to join now.
[04:16] <nickrud> typical texan, no sense of proportion ;)
[04:16] <tritium> bruenig: 21:14 bruenig [n=root@12.159.29.3] requested CTCP PING from tritium: 
[04:16] <JamesMowery> Awesome, it worked :D
[04:17] <tritium> JamesMowery: good.  Thanks for changing those settings.  Good luck to you.
[04:17] <bruenig> tritium: you pinged so I thought I would ping
[04:17] <JamesMowery> thanks for the help tritium, much appreciated :)
[04:17] <tritium> bruenig: I pinged?
[04:17] <bruenig> people get really fired up about pings and versions, it is kind of strange I don't think anyone of them knows why either
[04:17] <bruenig> tritium: your highlight ping for Flannel 
[04:18] <tritium> Yes, that was to address JamesMowery's issue.  It had nothing to do with you.
[04:18] <bruenig> I know
[04:18] <tritium> Bizarre response on your part, if you ask me.
[04:18] <bruenig> I was just playing around
[04:19] <bruenig> do you know why people go so crazy about that though, is there some explanation to the pinging paranoia?
[04:19] <nalioth> bruenig: are we assisting you with something?
[04:19] <bruenig> well I got banned for some crazy trumped up stuff
[04:21] <bruenig> it seems like the main reason was a misinterpretation of something that happened on an entire other channel, which I find a rather weak reason to +b someone, especially someone who has no record of doing anything
[04:22] <tritium> bruenig: it's disappointing to see you stand by idle, while your #archlinux-offtopic counterparts troll raid #ubuntu
[04:23] <bruenig> they don't even tell me
[04:23] <bruenig> I swear they are launching that stuff from #archlinux
[04:23] <bruenig> I mean like ushdf or whatever, he didn't say anything at all to anyone, he just went up and did it
[04:24] <bruenig> he is banned from #archlinux too so I don't know what he was doing
[04:24] <bruenig> just personal laughs I guess
[04:25] <tritium> Where does this hostility from arch come from?
[04:26] <bruenig> honestly I think it is just boredom
[04:26] <bruenig> no one comes into #archlinux ever for questions
[04:26] <bruenig> I mean it is an advanced distro and all of that jazz, so the channel just doesn't go anywhere
[04:27] <bruenig> I personally try to fix that by going offtopic, but then they ban me for being OT in the support channel, so whatever
[04:33] <jrib> I'm off to bed, night
[04:34] <bruenig> jrib: u's crazy
[04:34] <tritium> jrib: good night
[04:35] <tritium> I'm heading to bed soon as well.
[04:35] <tritium> Who's responsible for Ertyle?  He's not working at the moment.
[04:37] <tritium> LjL: ping
[06:10] <Flannel> tritium: I'll comment on my bans if I have issues with others removing them.  I don't think there's any reason bans that are mostly clerical (like that one) need to really be discussed anyway.
[06:12] <tritium> Flannel: fair enough.  I just didn't want to step on your toes.
[06:12] <tritium> I did in fact remove the ban.
[06:13] <Flannel> That's good.  He just needed something more noteworthy than repeated ubottu messages and removals, apparently.
[06:13] <tritium> I guess so.
[06:15] <Flannel> Glad he got it all figured out finally.
[06:16] <tritium> Me too.
[06:16] <tritium> How's school?
[06:17] <Flannel> Good.  Somewhat busy so far.  But it hasn't really gotten busy yet.  I imagine I'll wind up exploding circa late April.  Although I'm trying to frontload all of the work in my design classes so that's mitigated.
[06:18] <tritium> I hope it all goes well for you.
[06:18] <Flannel> I'm going to run off this weekend and go backpacking, which should be good.  Although it just means SCaLE planning is going to be crazier this and next week :)
[06:18] <tritium> :)
[06:19] <Flannel> Oh, I'll definately get through it.  It'll just be the difference between 2 and 4 hours of sleep a night for a few months.
[06:19] <Flannel> I'm hoping for four, in case anyone was wondering :)
[06:20] <tritium> That would be preferable ;)
[06:21] <tritium> Speaking of sleep, I think I'll get some.  Have a good night.
[06:22] <Flannel> Night
[07:31] <prince_jammys> coolguy-89, megaspammer #ubuntu
[07:32] <prince_jammys> UbuntuWifiFails, general troll, #ubuntu
[07:32] <prince_jammys> enjoy
[08:05] <Flannel> erm
[08:05] <Flannel> Oh!
[08:12] <Flannel> Here we go!
[08:33] <Myrtti> hello
[08:34] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[08:35]  * Panarchy says Hi
[08:35] <Panarchy> Can I please be unbanned from the #ubuntu channel?
[08:35] <Panarchy> Thanks in advance.
[08:41] <Myrtti> JamesMowery: you can leave the channel now
[08:41] <Panarchy> Can I please be unbanned from the #ubuntu channel?
[08:41] <Panarchy> Thanks in advance.
[08:42]  * Myrtti checks
[08:43] <Myrtti> oh my
[08:43] <Myrtti> Panarchy: sorry
[08:43] <Myrtti> Panarchy: not going to happen anytime soon
[08:43] <Flannel> Panarchy: I believe the last time you were in here, you were asked to come back when you could demonstrate sufficient reason for us to allow you back in.
[08:43] <Panarchy> ah
[08:44] <Panarchy> Well I've made process on almost every project I'm working on. And think that with my now sufficient knowledge that I will have a lot to give back to the Ubuntu community
[08:45] <Myrtti> ikonia: ^
[08:47] <Flannel> Panarchy: I believe the matter at hand isn't a knowledge issue, but a disciplinary and/or self control issue.
[08:47] <Flannel> We certainly don't screen people in #ubuntu based on their knowledge
[08:53] <Panarchy> But by learning what I have learnt I have shown discipline
[08:56] <Flannel> Panarchy: Unfortunately we have evidence to the contrary, which is why, if I remember correctly, you were asked to come back with a 'sponsorship' from an Ubuntu member.
[08:56] <elky> a discipline, but not the discipline we are looking for.
[08:56] <Panarchy> If you like, I can show you my TODO list and how much progess I have been making
[08:56] <elky> Panarchy, this isnt about achievement. this is about behaviour.
[08:57] <elky> Panarchy, basically we need something other than a 'F minus' in the box that says 'plays well with others'
[09:00] <Panarchy> lol
[09:00]  * Panarchy goes back to working on his Linux distribution [- http://panarchy.wordpress.com -]
[09:01]  * elky is tempted to mark that as spamming
[09:01] <ikonia> for the logs do not unban panarchy please
[09:01] <ikonia> he spammed 11 channels the other day because it was "funny" 
[09:01] <ikonia> his response to the people in #solaris who tried to help him was "fuck you"
[09:02] <ikonia> he has been a pain flooding/spamming ##linux and ##windows
[09:02] <elky> @mark
[09:02] <Flannel> elky: I said the same thing last time!
[09:02] <ikonia> he is not showing he can grasp the concept of irc or other channels topic's rules, I have no reason to think he can grasp ubuntus
[09:02] <elky> ikonia, which is exactly why i placed the conditions on him that i did
[09:03] <Flannel> ikonia: Oh, don't worry about me.  He'd have to have some pretty solid evidence.
[09:03] <elky> ikonia, we are not preventing him getting back in. his continued bad behaviour is.
[09:04] <ikonia> nope, just making it clear for the recording he's a real pain and cannot participate in any channel - not just ubuntu
[09:04] <elky> @mark Panarchy see the log snapshot for spam and history of behaviour elsewhere
[09:04] <Flannel> elky: It's actually already in the BT
[09:05] <elky> Flannel, oh, i know, but i'm just reinforcing now
[09:05] <ikonia> now in ##apple asking about virtualization on hackintosh 
[09:06] <elky> well, i'm quite envious of vmware fusion...
[09:07] <ikonia> he just left after being busted
[09:07] <elky> heh
[09:12] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[09:12] <ikonia> you got it
[10:27]  * tonyyarusso 's mind is being slowly crushed by users with poor English skills :(
[10:28]  * jussi01 crushes tonyyarusso with a failblog conspiracy theory - Rainbows in sprinklers! :P
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[10:29] <jussi01> that just cracked me up...
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> It makes me sad that we let that lady vote.
[10:29] <jussi01> yeah
[10:54] <Myrtti> @bansearch Daemonic 
[10:55] <ikonia> Myrtti: I removed him as he managed to even make a slur in his apologies
[10:55] <ikonia> "sorry Russian"
[10:55] <Myrtti> ikonia: ...
[10:55] <Myrtti> erm
[10:56] <ikonia> just not acceptable
[10:56] <Myrtti> ikonia: that was the other guys nickname
[10:56] <ikonia> I know
[11:01] <topyli> strangely coherent and nice in pm
[11:02] <ikonia> really - been a bit of a jerk in ##linux
[11:02] <ikonia> not as bad as in #ubuntu
[11:02] <ikonia> and his real name is "jackass"
[11:02] <ikonia> just seems to mess around
[11:06]  * jussi01 prods ikonia
[12:13] <ikonia> nickrud: a prime bullguard example in #ubuntu now
[12:15] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[12:16] <Myrtti> I reckon it's time for spinach pancakes
[12:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: wow, nice
[12:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Spinach Pasta maybe, but pancakes?
[12:16] <ikonia> could work, savoiury
[12:19] <Myrtti> basic stuff in Finland
[12:19] <Myrtti> they sell them in packs, ready made. microwave for two minutes, enjoy with lingonberry jam.
[12:19] <Myrtti> omnomnom
[12:21] <ikonia> Myrtti: thats a finish dish ?
[12:21] <ikonia> traditional or just popular
[12:24] <Myrtti> both
[12:24] <Myrtti> original recipe is with nettles
[12:24] <ikonia> never heard of it
[12:24] <ikonia> makes my tastebuds tingle though, fancy trying it
[12:31] <topyli> easy enough to make and try
[12:31] <ikonia> true
[12:32] <topyli> make pancake dough, apply spinach until healthy
[12:33] <ikonia> "buy" pancacke dough
[12:33] <topyli> close enough
[12:33] <ikonia> good good
[12:33] <ikonia> I'll try it
[12:34] <ikonia> pankakes ala Myrtti 
[12:34] <Myrtti> 150 g frozen spinach, 1 egg, 3 dl skimmed milk, 1.5 dl wheat flour, 2 tbsp butter, 0.25 teaspoon salt, frying: 2 tbsp butter
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Chop the spinach .. alot
[12:35] <Myrtti> yup
[12:35] <elky> only wheat flour?
[12:36] <Myrtti> elky: that's the basic recipe, feel free to adjust to own taste and palate :-)
[12:36] <Myrtti> http://plaza.fi/ellit/ideakeittio/ruokaohjeet/helpot-pinaattiletut
[12:36] <elky> buckwheat ftw
[12:36] <topyli> i should be writing but i keep opting for xgalaga
[12:36] <ikonia> ahhh elky I meant to ask you yesteday, now time has past what good applications hav eyou found for the e71
[12:37] <elky> ikonia, havent added anything else really. you?
[12:37] <ikonia> not so much, finding choice of "main" apps limited, 
[12:37] <topyli> frozen bubble!
[12:37] <elky> topyli, that was either the first or second thing installed
[12:38] <elky> if not the first, the first was putty
[12:38] <topyli> :)
[12:38] <elky> actually, i'm pretty sure the first thing was putty
[12:38] <topyli> putty has copy/paste now, and white-on-black scheme
[12:38] <topyli> this makes me happy
[12:39] <elky> indeed it was, putty, fr.bubble, mirggi
[12:39] <ikonia> I've got putty - that's pretty solid
[12:40] <topyli> i wish we had scp though
[12:40] <ikonia> yes, that would be cool to get data/on off
[12:42] <ikonia> I was dicussing with someone yesterday (which prompted me to think of elky) about how some of the core "apps" that other smart phones such as iphone/blackberry/HTC etc where covering, flickr/facebook/myspace etc etc
[12:44] <ikonia> it was suprising that nokia/open community hadn't put anything together
[12:45] <elky> yeah, thats a sore point
[12:45] <elky> flickr it does have
[12:45] <elky> but only kinda
[12:45] <elky> facebook's m.facebook.com is satisfactory, but not as good as an actual app could be
[12:46] <elky> myspace can diabcf
[12:46] <Myrtti> x.facebook.com
[12:46] <elky> oh?
[12:46] <Myrtti> yup
[12:47] <ikonia> just odd that the open platform is the one that is lacking the most
[12:47] <ikonia> I had no argument to defend my discussion
[12:47] <Tm_T> maybe I should not help you on that either (;)
[12:48] <elky> Myrtti, that fails for me... i get the top blue bar, then half the menu bar, and nothing is clickable
[12:49] <Myrtti> elky: might be that you don't have javascript enabled?
[12:49] <elky> how do i check?
[12:49] <Tm_T> javascript is often not very good solution, as it tends to be buggy in some layer
[12:50] <elky> Tm_T, you're telling this to the ajax-hater who has spent the past 3 months coding ajax apps
[12:51] <Tm_T> elky: muhahahahahaha
[12:51]  * Tm_T hides
[12:51] <Tm_T> what happened to good old plaintext, meh
[12:51] <elky> no kidding
[12:54] <elky> Myrtti, works fine in opera, just not the s60 browser
[12:54] <Myrtti> weird.
[12:54] <Myrtti> works fine for me though
[12:58] <elky> oh well. i'm falling asleep here, so i'm going to head bedwards
[12:59] <Tm_T> elky: sleep well and see fluffy sheeps
[12:59]  * elky goes off to cuddle a pillow
[12:59] <Myrtti> nini elky 
[13:02] <Pici> Sleep well elky
[13:07]  * jussi01 huggles his 10/10 connection :) kubuntu cd downloads are _soo_ fast...
[13:08] <jussi01> torrents ftw!!
[13:13] <ikonia> jussi01: re-test please
[13:38] <topyli> i have to invent a job for myself in some company. the university is turning me into a depressed xgalaga player
[13:39] <topyli> not a very good one either! i'm slow :(
[14:13] <Pici> oops. Accidentally kicked a canonical employee from #ubuntu.
[14:13] <ikonia> I'm sure they will be cool
[14:33] <jussi01> ikonia: *prod*
[14:33]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:34]  * Myrtti drinks more coffee
[14:34] <jdong> oh don't tempt me :)
[14:34] <genii> Heh, hi Myrtti
[14:34]  * jdong got one of those Bunn 10-cup brewers that make the coffee as fast as you pour in the water :)
[14:35] <genii> jdong: Ooooooo
[14:35] <jdong> probably the worst thing I've done to my health the whole term :D
[15:05] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu darkknight repeat questions - refusing to accept fact (been told the answer many times but keeps asking)
[15:46] <mneptok> nalioth: meep
[15:48] <ikonia> don't cry 
[15:51] <mneptok> does my emotional sensitivity arouse you?
[15:52] <mneptok> 'cause it sure ain't my rugged good looks.
[15:52] <nickrud> ikonia, was a truly burning question from bullgard
[15:53]  * nickrud wipes the muck in the channel from his shoes
[15:54] <ikonia> nickrud: ha ha, another odd one
[15:54] <ikonia> he's re-jigged it and just asked again in ##linux, even more randomly odd this time
[15:57] <ikonia> Pici: are you understanding this ???? I'm not
[15:58] <Pici> ikonia: Not at all.
[16:00]  * Pici gives up
[16:00] <Pici> This firefox thing has really be bothering me lately.
[16:01] <ikonia> in what way ?
[16:01] <Pici> The sheer number of people who claim they need 3.0.6... and don't know why.
[16:01] <ikonia> ahhh the users, not the product
[16:01] <ikonia> yes, about the 3rd one I've seen today
[16:02] <ikonia> I think it's because someone made a big deal on the security advisory for it
[16:03] <ikonia> I couldn't make head nor tail of what he'd done
[16:03] <Myrtti> hum
[16:03] <Myrtti> weird
[16:04] <Myrtti> I just today upgraded my firefox to 3.0.6...
[16:04]  * Myrtti shrugs
[16:05] <ikonia> me too
[16:05] <ikonia> I wonder what is tar files and repo messing has done
[16:05]  * genii waits for firefox-3.0.6-qt      to get finished
[16:06] <ikonia> unlucky 
[16:20] <nalioth> mneptok: meep?
[16:24] <mneptok> nalioth: ping when you have 10m or so for some channel reg issues?
[16:24] <mneptok> (not urgent)
[16:26] <ikonia> why is someone using letmegooglethatforyou.com - either google it or don't, don't ask a website to do it for you ???
[16:27] <ikonia> am I missing the point of it ?
[16:27] <Tm_T> ikonia: prolly it's making the hint in url-form
[16:27] <mneptok> ad revenue juice
[16:27] <genii> ikonia: I'm with Tm_T on the why
[16:27] <Myrtti> I agree with Tm_T
[16:28] <nickrud> Tm_T, I think you're probably right; mneptok is just too  mercenary
[16:28] <Myrtti> I've thought of "why can't you use google for that instead of making me google it for you" but I've never said it like that
[16:29] <Myrtti> sometimes people just don't think before asking in IRC/forums/whatnot
[16:29] <ikonia> it's the worst tool I've seen 
[16:29]  * Tm_T hides
[16:30] <nalioth> mneptok: MEEP
[16:30] <ikonia> you put the text in a box, then it gets submited to google and returns the Url exactly the ssame as google would if you just typed it in direct
[16:33] <Pici> meep meep
[16:34]  * tritium slaps mneptok with a chile relleno
[16:35] <mneptok> tritium!
[16:36] <tritium> mneptok: hello!  Good news?
[16:36] <mneptok> tritium: so ubuntu-us-nm needs hosting?
[16:36] <tritium> mneptok: aye, captain.  Request has been submitted to rt.ubuntu.com
[16:36] <mneptok> tritium: i may be able to do one better
[16:36] <tritium> mneptok: ooh, really?
[17:07] <Myrtti> oh, btw
[17:08] <Myrtti> I just realised something
[17:08] <Myrtti> what have you people done to ASUS-tek :-D
[17:09] <Myrtti> not that I *want* him back
[17:09] <Myrtti> just wondering what has happened
[17:10] <Tm_T> Myrtti: perhaps he is collecting some strength
[17:10] <Myrtti> Tm_T: don't even suggest that
[17:11] <genii> I didn't think he was so horrible. Just too excitable and wanting to make buddies with everyone, etc
[17:13] <Myrtti> I agree
[18:01] <Myrtti> I feel like there's a mad house going on in #ubuntu
[18:05] <Myrtti> ok, I must have overworked or something
[18:05] <Myrtti> I have the distinct urge to scream "I'm with stupid" and I fear I'm about to say it aloud at #ubuntu
[18:09] <Pici> My brain hurts too
[18:54] <Myrtti> I seriously suck in making a deb package
[18:54] <Tm_T> Myrtti: just train
[18:54]  * Tm_T hides
[18:55] <Tm_T> Myrtti: please make jaiku and identica post, so I see if bots are really not reachable for me
[18:56] <Myrtti> hth, hand
[18:56] <Tm_T> danke
[18:57] <Tm_T> so I get messages but I see them offline
[18:58] <Myrtti> so nothing new there
[18:58] <Tm_T> it's new for me
[19:35] <Myrtti> Pici: you use irssi, right? (*I'm having a slow day today*)
[19:36] <Pici> Myrtti: Indeed I do.
[19:36] <Myrtti> how did you get the information he was from Brazil so quickly?
[19:37] <ikonia> Myrtti: I use colour hilighting for domains sometimes
[19:37] <Pici> Myrtti: I use geoip.pl
[19:38] <Myrtti> I cut and paste the IP addresses and do a whois on them on another terminal window...
[19:38] <Pici> Myrtti: http://pastebin.com/f73b7117
[19:38] <Myrtti> Pici: thanks
[19:38] <Myrtti> you're a lifesaver
[19:39] <Pici> Myrtti: You'll need libgeoip1 and also to /set geoip_dat within irssi
[19:40] <Pici> oh, I guess the latter is explained in the file.
[19:40] <Pici> I suppose you could append it to your onjoin stuff too if you felt like hacking that in.
[19:47] <topyli> Myrtti: please figure out a consulting job for me, via coss or something. i'm a demotivated, tired, bs distributed work expert :(
[19:47] <ikonia> topyli: what would you like to do 
[19:47] <Tm_T> topyli: I second that =)
[19:48] <Tm_T> topyli: and I'm only student, already mentally raped by univ-bs
[19:49] <topyli> ikonia: i would like to smooth out distributed, internet-mediated workplaces where commerce and free communities interface
[19:49] <ikonia> topyli: you want to be paid to be on irc ?
[19:49] <topyli> that's where i've done some research and i pretend to know
[19:49] <topyli> ikonia: yes, with hugs
[19:49] <topyli> :\
[19:50] <ikonia> some of the companies I work for write into my contract that they will pay for X ammount of IRC time 
[19:50] <ikonia> it is out there
[19:51] <Myrtti> I guess that geoip thingie wont work then
[19:51] <Pici> Myrtti: Why not?
[19:51] <Myrtti> I don't have geo/ip.pm installed on kapsi and I have no idea how to get cpan to install it for me
[19:51] <ikonia> topyli: as in companys want/will allow people to partipate in internet mediated workplaces
[19:51] <Myrtti> and I'm tired
[19:51] <topyli> well i'm willing to do more. i would like to figure out potential problems between upstream and companies, communicate the company's commercial goals to communities and the community's goals to the company
[19:51] <Myrtti> looks like I've tried to make it work earlier
[19:51] <Pici> oh :(
[19:52] <topyli> then figure out how to do this effectively without forking anything
[19:53] <topyli> the problem is, i'm working full time with my dissertation right now, just to get my phd, and i'm very frustrated with that. i want real work
[19:54] <topyli> Myrtti: personal cpan installs should work on kapsi's servers. i'm not sure
[19:55] <topyli> ikonia: yeah i believe Myrtti is working pretty much on the internet atm
[19:55] <Myrtti> topyli: unfortunately I don't have the energy to work it out
[19:55] <mneptok> crazy Finns. *grumble*
[19:56] <Myrtti> topyli: say that again?
[19:56] <topyli> Myrtti: well it is about perl, you need a fully-aware zen mind to figure it out
[19:56] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:56] <topyli> Myrtti: you're working predominantly from home aren't you?
[19:56] <mneptok> topyli: "When you can take the pebble from my hand, grasshoper, you will gain access to CPAN."
[19:56] <Myrtti> very much so
[19:56] <topyli> mneptok: something like that :)
[19:59] <topyli> Myrtti: you're a bad example though, your company is only two hours away and only a few people. sorry about that
[19:59] <Myrtti> hey, we've got about 60 people!
[19:59] <Myrtti> not fair!
[19:59] <Pici> I didn't do anything special to get geoip working here (ubuntu 8.10), just installed that one library I mentioned earlier... I think
[19:59] <Myrtti> and we've got people in Brussels too
[20:00] <Myrtti> and Vietnam
[20:00] <Pici> Myrtti: oh.. libgeo-ip-perl exists on 8.10
[20:00] <Pici> The package
[20:00] <Tm_T> Myrtti: Brussels/Joensuu/something in that particular case
[20:00] <topyli> what i'm interested in is hierarchies being replaced by distributed projects of hundreds of people, organized mostly around tools, the object of work and perhaps some common goal
[20:00] <Pici> Its on gutsy +
[20:00] <Myrtti> Pici: sure - but it doesn't help me because I'm not administrator of the server
[20:00] <Pici> Myrtti: oooh
[20:01] <topyli> like free software projects. companies can be an important part of that
[20:01] <Tm_T> Pici: you know, we have some 2000 users in these servers
[20:02] <topyli> oh it's more distributed and mediated than i though
[20:02] <topyli> t
[20:02] <Tm_T> Pici: 2500+ lines in /etc/passwd actually (:
[20:05] <topyli> there's no job i could apply for. "guy who tries to grok commercial open source" doesn't come up much
[20:05] <topyli> maybe i should just go talk to someone and say "let's figure out what i could do"
[20:05] <Myrtti> topyli: tekes?
[20:05] <Myrtti> topyli: sitra?
[20:06] <topyli> Myrtti: i would prefer a company actually in this business
[20:06] <topyli> otherwise i might as well go on with research
[20:06] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[20:08] <topyli> right now, i think i'm going to need a long sick leave. as it is, i can't work. i'm playing xgalaga and drinking beer at the pub
[20:09] <mneptok> topyli: sudo apt-get install maelstrom
[20:09] <topyli> mneptok: yes i play maelstrom too :)
[20:09] <mneptok> topyli: been addicted since c1993.
[20:09] <Pici> gweled
[20:09] <mneptok> (boys and their toys, doanchya know)
[20:09] <topyli> Pici: i did play gweled but i got tired of it. too much brain required
[20:10] <topyli> mneptok: i learned both xgalaga and maelstrom around 2000 or so, they were big hits when i was writing my masters thesis in 2002
[20:11] <topyli> i forgot both for a long time, but now they're making a comeback
[20:11] <topyli> i guess they're something "else" to do when work sucks
[20:12] <mneptok> topyli: i tend to game on the PS3. but Maelstrom is an old, relaible friend.
[20:13] <topyli> isn't maelstrom originally for the apple <something>?
[20:13] <topyli> whatever had the wonderful graphics needed
[20:14] <topyli> i also play super mario in zsnes
[20:14] <Myrtti> mneptok: this better be a good game
[20:14] <topyli> hehe
[20:15] <Myrtti> oh, right
[20:15] <Myrtti> it's this one
[20:15]  * Myrtti uninstalls
[20:15] <mneptok> Myrtti: best Asteroids clone EVAR
[20:15] <topyli> :(
[20:15] <Myrtti> I can barely play klondike
[20:15] <topyli> this is a real man's game
[20:16] <mneptok> topyli: and yeah, it was originally a Mac classic game by Andrew Welch/Ambrosia
[20:16] <Myrtti> I think I'll go back to coding
[20:16] <Pici> yay
[20:16] <Myrtti> that's enough of games for me
[20:16] <topyli> mneptok: yes ambrosia is of course still in the credits
[20:16] <topyli> mneptok: have you ever read the README for xgalaga?
[20:17] <topyli> if not, do it :)
[20:17] <topyli> the author talks about the wonderful graphics he was able to create thanks to this great library
[20:17] <topyli> he also warns that it is a memory hog
[20:17] <jussi01> ikonia: pm?
[20:17]  * mneptok gets a src .deb
[20:18] <topyli> mneptok: it's in blah/blah/doc/xgalaga
[20:18] <Myrtti> I should reconfigure mpd
[20:18]  * jussi01 just learnt a stupidly basic thing on the guitar... but it makes songs sound _much_ better :D
[20:19] <jussi01> btw topyli, when are you coming to visit me?
[20:19] <topyli> hmm
[20:20] <topyli> there's a money problem. i should create an important business trip
[20:20] <jussi01> hehe
[20:20] <jussi01> topyli: where do you work again?
[20:21] <mneptok> topyli: i think that's one of those README files that just made it to UTF-8 from cuneiform and clay. ;)
[20:21] <Myrtti> jussi01: cs.helsinki.fi
[20:21] <jussi01> heh
[20:21] <topyli> i work at the goddamn university, writing that stupid dissertation so that they can get their money, while doing research at this damn project studying knowledge production within diabetic peer groups
[20:22] <topyli> damn it!
[20:22] <topyli> Myrtti: not cs
[20:22] <Myrtti> topyli: somewhere there anyway
[20:22]  * jussi01 huggles topyli
[20:22]  * Myrtti waves her hands
[20:22] <Myrtti> let's all get recruited by jussi01's employer
[20:22]  * Tm_T dies
[20:22] <topyli> jussi01: hire me to a sane job
[20:22] <jussi01> topyli: if the damned credit crunch didnt come, I would!!
[20:23]  * Myrtti grunts something inaudible about writing yet another goddamn prestudy
[20:23] <topyli> jussi01: oooo the perfect excuse! :)
[20:23] <jussi01> hehe
[20:23] <Pici> Can I be annoyed too?
[20:23] <topyli> Pici: please do
[20:23] <jussi01> topyli: well luxury goods are the first to suffer...
[20:24] <jussi01> Pici: no, wait your turn!
[20:24] <jussi01> :P
[20:24] <topyli> i can hardly afford beer!
[20:24]  * Myrtti says nothing
[20:24]  * jussi01 goes to play more bob dylan...
[20:25] <Tm_T> topyli: well, I haven't got any income since last month
[20:26] <topyli> :(
[20:26] <Tm_T> did I won something?
[20:26] <Pici> I'm just annoyed that I was asked to do the same exact (sql)report that my coworker was asked to do.  Supposedly mine was supposed to be the 'quick and dirty' version... but they never told me that.
[20:27] <jussi01> Pici: that sucks
[20:27] <topyli> i have project money until the end of may. then i will likely get a small grant that will last 3 or 4 months
[20:27] <jussi01> Tm_T: you won the right to have no cash
[20:27] <topyli> then i'll hopefully have the damn book and get the magic phd
[20:28] <topyli> then i'll have to get a job or have a pretty good research plan. a job would be more sane
[20:28] <MattJ> Amy_Swallows is spamming people who join #ubuntu
[20:29] <jpds> !staff | [ ~Amy_Swallows!n=DarrenJo@77-99-168-121.cable.ubr04.camd.blueyonder.co.uk  ] watch me swallow all that yummy spunk on my cam xXx 
[20:29] <SportChick> jpds: what chan?
[20:30] <jpds> SportChick: #ubuntu
[20:31] <tomaw> fixed already
[20:31] <SportChick> yeah I saw, thanks tomaw 
[20:32] <tomaw> it spammed me when I joined one if its channels
[20:32] <MattJ> Thanks :)
[20:36] <nalioth> jpds: that isn't necessary
[20:36] <nalioth> shooting a cop in the head while demonstrating what you witnessed is NOT how to do things
[20:41] <jdong> lol I like that analogy
[20:44] <mneptok> nalioth: wait .... really?
[20:44]  * mneptok has been doing it wrong
[20:44]  * nalioth NOTs mneptok 
[20:45] <topyli> i believe a fist fight is now the only way
[20:46] <mneptok> make it clothing-optional and i'll consider it.
[20:51] <Myrtti> you lost me there fellers
[20:52] <Myrtti> OH COOL I'VE MISPLACED MY INTERNET BANKING KEYS
[20:54] <topyli> there you go
[21:05] <jdong> lol
[21:05] <jdong> I love the bank of america thing that gives you the "security picture"
[21:06] <jdong> my label on it is always "This ain't the right one. TAKE THAT HACKER"
[21:13] <Myrtti> FAIL.
[21:14] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[21:23] <Myrtti> guess what I just realised
[21:23] <Myrtti> I was in FOSDEM, right? there was this fellow who was at LUGRadio Live last summer. He didn't have Debian Women shirts then, and he forgot to make them.
[21:24] <Myrtti> so I saw him now in FOSDEM and poked him
[21:24] <Myrtti> "where's me shirts"
[21:24] <Myrtti> I now realised *who* I poked.
[21:24]  * Myrtti facepalms and blushes
[21:25] <Myrtti> *whistle*
[21:27] <mneptok> Steve Ballmer?
[21:28] <Myrtti> Steve McIntyre
[21:48] <ikonia> what's the format for removing multiple bans in one go
[21:48] <ikonia> I can never remember this
[21:49] <Myrtti> /mode -bbb ban1 ban2 ban3
[21:49] <jussi01> ikonia: -bbbb ban ban ban ban iirc (test I *might* be worng)
[21:49] <Myrtti> I think three is the maximum
[21:49] <Myrtti> might be wrong
[21:49] <jussi01> I thought it was 4
[21:49] <Myrtti> :-P
[21:50] <ikonia> I'll play safe with 3
[21:58] <ikonia> there we go, that should clean up a bit
[21:59] <mneptok> ikonia: most ircd's define 5 as a max
[22:00] <ikonia> mneptok: good to know
[22:00] <mneptok> m4v: how may we help you?
[22:01] <m4v> mneptok: nop, sorry. I'm leaving.
[22:02] <nalioth> it is as many as you want
[22:02] <ikonia> nalioth: or really, cool
[22:11] <Jack_Sparrow> That sources list is a disaster....... http://paste.ubuntu.com/117035/
[22:13] <mneptok> omg
[22:13] <Jack_Sparrow> And he wonders why he has issues
[22:13] <Myrtti> "oops"
[22:13] <mneptok> all it's missing is: deb http://windows.microsoft.com/vista sp1 main
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> too funny
[22:16] <Myrtti> 3AHAAA
[22:16] <Myrtti> found it
[22:17] <jussi01> mneptok: rofl...
[22:18] <ikonia> not good
[22:19] <Myrtti> oh carp and other fishes
[22:24]  * Myrtti didn't realise her phone/adsl bill was due today too
[22:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti Time for me to go outside in shorts and t-shirt and light the BBQ and get dinner started ..  :)
[22:34]  * Myrtti 's head implodes
[22:34] <ikonia> who's a know web "goto" guy who's trusted
[22:35] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell RAMDAC about pm
[22:36] <Seeker`> ikonia: ?
[22:38] <ikonia> Seeker`: getting stuck in a rut doing some html stuff
[22:38] <ikonia> I have a crappy design eye
[22:39] <Myrtti> ikonia: as weird as it may seem, you might want to poke snuxoll if you can't find anyone else. He knows his stuff
[22:40] <ikonia> no, he's been useful in the past
[22:40] <ikonia> he just didn't appear active
[22:40] <ikonia> nothing odd about snuxoll's web ability
[22:40] <mneptok> ikonia: he was active a few hours ago.
[22:40] <mneptok> ikonia: 15:40 in his aprt of the world
[22:40] <mneptok> *part
[22:41] <ikonia> he's there
[22:45] <Myrtti> graaah lag I hates it
[23:20] <topyli> i'm going to bed. i'm leavng mikem, nbeebo and a couple of paranoid users on -ot
[23:20] <topyli> good night 
[23:55] <Pici> Pricey: May we set -r on #ubuntu now
[23:55] <Pricey> sure
[23:55] <Pricey> was just about to during the shameless break 8-)